omg what a crappy plane, glad they pulled them out of airline service before anymore people were killed. God bless the concorde for their longevity service!
"The Soviet government published the concept of the Tu-144 in an article in the January 1962 issue of the magazine Technology of the Air Transport. The air ministry started development of the Tu-144 on 26 July 1963, ten days after the design was approved by the Council of Ministers. The project started two years later than the Concorde. The plan called for five flying prototypes to be built in four years. The first aircraft was to be ready in 1966."
Another Soviet aeronautical failure .... blah, blah, blah .... The Tu144 was first .... Big freaking deal .... The few planes that were built had problems flying .... FAR TOO MANY CRASHES .... and the concept and design was never put into production and service .... The British and French were successful with the Concorde .... Granted at a very high cost .... America was the only country smart enought to know that supersonic transport technology didn't have a viable place in commercial use.
@swampwatch So all that money spent on the B2707 must have been some sort of a figment of my imagination ... And the fact that it was only canceled under extremely controversial circumstances in 71 must also be just something people made up? And a lot of the reasons for the cancellation were due to the greenies that America loves some much ... must also never have been the case... yep... that's how it happened!
@pubuman ...... Always read a statement in its entirety ... my last sentence explains why th U.S. put the brakes on its SST program ... "America was the only country smart enought to know that supersonic transport technology didn't have a viable place in commercial use."
@swampwatch And no one in the world has still figured out that to make it viable all they had to do was make it have dual deck and make it the size of airbus a380 with nose and wings of TU144. if it has same flight characteristics as a supersonic plane it will fly supersonic no matter how big. More range, Half the time, 500+ passengers. even with a few extra pouds more on fuel cost. That TUPOLEV 144/A380 would rape both planes commercial viability wize. All u need is longer runways.
@pubuman US just didnt have the BALLS to let their citezens fly at military speed. Pussiez. (And of course that was a crude joke). they just decided to go for easy option B. Rip off the taxpayer on faking the moon landings instead of making something actually useful
"The fact is, Russians stole the ideas from the English, and started building 3 years late.. Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues. "
@joc69uk Only one major incident, crash in Toulouse I think.. Not sure. That was caused by a DC10's strip of metal on the runway. The Concorde has thin wings but it had to be light..
SO , it flew before concorde ! , It also crashed 30 years before concorde . It never ever made a comercial flight . Massive waste of human endeavour .
@gigaboat It made 55 commercial passenger flights over 7 weeks. This required 5 aircraft be available so at least one was in flight condition. Andrei Tupolev had to be available to personally approve every flight. The maximum passenger load carried was 80. Aeroflot didn't mention the Aircraft in it's 1970 5 year plan for operations
Mikeplay007 - you're either brain dead or muppet. Probably a brain deat muppet. Has no one ever told you - if you don't know what you're talking about, then keep your gob shut. Total muppet.
The air ministry started development of the Tu-144 on 26 July 1963, following approval by the Council of Ministers 10 days earlier. The project started two years later than Concorde.
The Tu-144 was introduced into passenger service on 1 November 1977, almost two years after the Concorde, but was soon withdrawn after just 55 scheduled passenger flights due to potentially severe problems with aircraft safety and was not re-introduced to service.
The TU 144 was a copy of Concorde. The Soviets were stealing the plans for years, they were busted. It aint no secret. NASA tested a TU 144 as Soviets dumped the project. Now where exactly do you think NASA was going to get a Concorde airframe. There were 8 of them, all in service, do you think AF or BA were going to say " NASA, which one would you like?" NASA would have loved to get their hands on 1 so they could figure out the engine intakes and computers running them. I think not.
@shearersshorts If you read up where did US engineers got the jet engine technology, you will not use still anymore... half of american technologies are either stolen or bought our... cars technologies as well as cars too... dumb ass
I think the operational service records of both planes speak for themselves. Concorde served for more than two decades, the Tu-144 hardly served at all. And the reason why NASA is using Tu-144s to conduct research is probably more related to the costs of buying Concorde airframes vs the relatively cheap Tu-144s. Nevertheless, the Tu-144 would have been a very impressive aircraft if it had been done right. It sure looks cool as hell.
@Scoutrussp7 it flex first just because of political pressure. It was far for safe and silent. In fact, it carried mail and cargo because the passengers couldn't stand the noise and vibration. TU-144 could have been a great plane but it was not. The soviet spied stole the blueprints of Concorde in Toulouse, France but they could not achieve their prototype.
@ssssroryssss2 Than how come that TU-144 is totally different than concord? In structure design size, performance, everithing... Onley the beautifool lines of the wing is alike, ohh sorry thet is also different if you look at it clouse...
U know nothing about flying, and airplanes... ;) That is ok, but why ... never mind....
Russians developed first not at all history tells us the success of the tu-144 and the concorde. Which do you think was rushed into production first for propaganda reasons.
well there is a restored tu144 there is 1 with registration number CCCP-77115
its the last one ever made at maks 2007 it taxied on own power over zhukovsy in russia everything is original even the engines that havent started for 10 years!
@boltjet135 if Concord would have been superiour than TU 144, than NASA would have make there tests on CONCORD not on TU 144, but fact is that TU 144 technologically far superiour than CONCORD.
concorde flew for many years and crashed because of a piece metal on the runway, the TU 144 crashed becase 1.) it was in france and 2.) it was a dodgy russian aircraft
@SergeyVA The Paris plane crashed due to taking emerency evasive action - a avoiding French Mirage that was trying to photogragh it. The airframe could not take the stress placed on the airframe and broke up. The French AND Soviets kept it quiet but the French caused it and the Soviet did not want the truth to be known about how bad the TU-144 was. It has only been made public knowledge since the fall of the USSR. ..................FACT.
Do not call it a fact untill it is a fact... TU 144 also failed due to a mechanical unstability of an aparatus...such a stress that the pilot put on that machine was not yet programmed into the frame of the plane yet...Fact?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ugnut123 I wasn't talking about which flew first.. The fact is, Russians stole the ideas from the English, and started building 3 years late.. Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues. Concorde was one of the safest until that piece of metal got on the runway.
@Taz1451 "Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues"....that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a very loooong time. It's not a stinking stool you screw together without even thinking what the fuck you're doing there.
@klin1klinom I couldn't think of the write word. The Russians sent spies to steal the designs of parts of Concorde.. They were unable to obtain the correct wing designs and body, hence the stability issues. BAE improved on the bad design and rectified the problems.. Concorde had a LONG lifetime, TU-144 hardly anything.. NASA only used it because Concorde was under Air France and BA.. That any better?
@Taz1451 Again, that changes nothing in what I said. Even if that was true, everything is put to test and any deficiencies in design are smoothed out. The very first wind tunnel tests with scale models would immediately show any problems. Anyway, neither Concorde nor TU-144 were economically justifiable - in SU no one would use it because of operation costs, hence early retirement. You trust wikipedia too much.
@klin1klinom I think you'll find the Wikipedia article on the TU-144 is pretty basic. I've researched my info.. From what I understand, the French didn't want to risk any more crashes so they took Concorde out of service, and BA had to follow. The TU-144 was structurally un-stable. The Russians wanted it to fly before Concorde, why would they put it in a wind tunnel? Maybe for a bit, but they simply couldn't fix the problems. They added them notches at the front.. To compensate for the weakness.
@Taz1451 Wind tunnel - first step in air craft design. Stress tests - last. Nothing goes airborne without this. What leadership wanted is irrelevant - design bureaus always had the last say, so long they stick to the proposed specs. Especially Tupolev - government was literally praying to him. Anyway, this conversation is just too ridiculous...ignorance runs deep.
@ugnut123 That is not correct the Tu-144 was made via stolen blue-prints of the concorde hence it's crudeness in design and functionality i.e. parachutes for brakes and low stability whilst flying in lower speeds and the later add-on of the tilt nose.
It has to be you who is from primary school as your sentences don't even make sense. Your comments always have some nonsense in them, and you blame me?
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Dead? How dare you wish me dead, before it was petty argument, but suggesting my death would please you. That hits me. I'm really shocked. Do you really fully understand that? What is effectively a 'I wish you were dead' situation is... I don't know what to say.
Just end this silly argument NOW. YouTube offer support from the Police for things like this, and I suggest you stop before I start looking into getting them involved
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Очень прошу не называть ту-144 "russian concorde".Это оскорбительно для всех советских людей, считающих его гордостью своей страны. Проэкт не приследовал никаких коммерческих интересов и был катострофически убыточным. Билет от Москвы до Алма-Аты на ту 144 стоил 68 сов. рублей.
The Tu-144 has many differences from the Concorde. Take a closer look and you'll see that the landing gear, nose, tail and canards are all different. The Tu was also in some ways, more technically advanced than the Concorde.
Yeah and thats why it fell apart in the sky.. the only thing that destroyed the real concordes 100% record was a shitty american tyre which ripped apart and struck the engine! Concorde is a legend, queen of the sky, well she would be if she wasnt just tossed aside like a piece of used toilet roll.. she will be back one day..
The only thing which destryed this was a french mirage which was attempting to photograph it's canards. The tu-144 pilot was not aware of this and would have been surprised to see a mirage. trying to avoid it, the tu pulled up sharply, and that caused intolerable g-forces on it causing it to crash.
If you want to talk about copies, you need to know that Tu-144 was FIRST civil supersonic aircraft - it flied up first, it reach 2M first. Concorde was second. That's all.
Just to straighten things out before they even started work on concorde the french & british already had similar designs therefore it was easier for them to work together and even more weird in my opinion is that whilst the u.s were running the competion to do a us S.S.T lockheed martins design was similar to concorde (really dont know why boeing got the contract). So it really doesnt surprise me the russians made a plane incredibly similar ALL THE PIGGIN COUNTRIES DID! LOL
i'm russian and i know! yes, they are very different, but once our engineers were busted with concords charts. simple, guys. just read some books. like i do. i don't post stupid posts like others do. i write that things that the books are telling about
Actually the Concorde's design was started mid-late 50's and complete by 1962, which was when France agreed to join the project to build the prototypes. The tu-144 started development in 1963.
Just because you can be the first to build something, hardly implies you were solely responsible for the designing it. Yes there are differences, but there are striking similarities also.
In aviation, if you want to go fast you follow the same rules. Tu-144LL was by no means a "copy" of anything designed by the Fing french or british. It had "lines" of similarity but nothing functioned the same way other than the ailerons and elevons. The engines, fuselage, systems were all Russian origin. In some ways the Tu-144 was superior, primarily in speed. Both Concorde and Tupolev 144 were impressive and lovely planes worthy of our appreciation.
"In some ways the Tu-144 was superior, primarily in speed." yeh but it lacked the range and fuel economy. due to it's need to have re-heat on while supersonic compared concordes super cruise.
"Both Concorde and Tupolev 144 were impressive and lovely planes worthy of our appreciation."- agreed
Construction of the first pilot TU-144 ( "044") began in 1965, at the same time built a second copy for static testing. Pilot "044" was originally calculated at 98 passengers, later, that figure had risen to 120. Accordingly, the estimated take-off weight increased from 130 tons to 150 tons.
In 1967, was finished assembling basic elements of the aircraft.
During the whole of 1968 were carried out finishing work and full staffing missing aircraft systems and units.
At the same time at the LII airfield began flying aircraft analogue MiG-21I (A-144, "21-11"), established on the basis of MiG-21S fighter. Analogue was created in Mikoyan Design Bureau and had a wing of geometric and aerodynamic wing experienced a similar "044". Overall, it was built two "21-11", they flew many test pilots, including those who had to suffer Tu-144.
After completing the program of test flights of "044" (about 150 flights) and remained in a test copy.
Russian were first.... At this video real TU144, which has been sold in the USA (Boeing) in 1993 - for conducting researches in supersonic passenger aircraft
If you actually read the more advanced specs on both aircraft you would soon realise that the tu-144 is actually more advanced than the concorde for example the forward canards etc. However, the tu-144 was rushed so they came out with crap build quality. The tu-144 was faster but couldn't maintain supersonic speed without afterburner, therefore limiting the range by quite a bit.
first of all,it flew on a 31.12.1968 because the hruschev promised that it would be in the air before 1969.second,french aircraft designer marcel dassault said that when two designs beraou design an SST plane they would most likely end with the similar looking planes because there is only so much eficient configurations,in that respect pumpinboner you are right.and third the espionage thing was mainly turned towards the tires and their composition
hthtyun, you obviously have comprehension problems, my comments are based on wikipedias info. *rolls eyes*
In this instance the concorde was first, I'm not from the UK just stating the facts. But I'll happily sit back and watch you rewrite history with your factless claims ;)
As for your super race comment, that is pure Nazi Germany propoganda, hardly relevant to people with more than two braincells since that was 60+ years ago and Germany is nothing like that today.
Bullshit. Russians did not copy - it is just a simple fact that if you want to go supersonic with such a large plane, there is not an unlimited amount of configurations. the planes HAD to look similar, although, if you look closely, they are in fact quite different designs...
Copycat russians... In case you didn't know the Russian KGB agents (spies) had copied Concorde's blueprints from England and made one as quick as they could so they could release there version a year before Concorde in 1968. The reason why Concorde was a much more successful plane was because it had been worked on since the early 40s until 1969 when it was released. The Konkordski had only been worked on for a few years and as quick as they could just so they could say it was their invention.
wtf ? how do you work that one out ? Tupolev did'nt start development until early to mid 60's. Concorde was designed in the 50's. Boeing also tried to mimic and seriously failed. Both accounts the designs 'stolen'.
The design of serial Tu-144 with engines NK-144A to be significantly upgraded to carry out significant changes in aerodynamics aircraft with a cruising at supersonic mode Kmaks more than 8.
Construction of the prototype series of upgraded Tu-144 (004) began in 1968.
In order to improve the aerodynamic characteristics of aircraft to cruise M = 2.2, change the shape of the wing (forwardswept ambient part of the front edge and reduced to 76 degrees, and the base had increased to 57 degrees), the form wing has become closer to the "gothic".
but the 144 is now used for military troop transport or? at least ive heard something like this, but also that it crashed then again...
nowadays i think both the concorde and the TU-144 are crap, it was nice that they have built such plains but in the end the frenchies and englands as well as the russians just wanted to show what their engeneers were capable - if you see, the us dont have a supersonic airplaine for human transport not even yet ;)
The concorde was first thought of and under construction in 1965, and flew for the first time in 1969, when did this plane start being constructed and first flew?
Actually the Concorde's design was started mid-late 50's and complete by 1962, which was when France agreed to join the project to build the prototypes. The tu-144 started development in 1963.
Just because you can be the first to build something, hardly implies you were solely responsible for the designing it. Yes there are differences, but there are striking similarities also.
if that is so why DID the russians lose 5 TU144's if they where so good then? face it the Concorde lasted longer in service and had a far better safty record then the TU144 ever did... so your primise that england and france had inferior meteallurgy and aerodynamics is utter piffle... the KGB stole the (doctored) plans from B.A and cocked it up ...
narrr the Concord was far better..it was in service longer then the TU144 was.. it had only one crash compaired to the TU144's 5 recorded crashed and it lasted longer...so how do you come to the conclusion that the TU144 was better? it may have been faster but only if it was on full after burners... and it could not substain tha top speed for long with out the engings melting...seems to me you know little or next to nothing about your own countrys aircraft...mind you THAT is understandable...
crashes ware probably because they ware more variants of tupolev 144, every new type new risk,
they also had far less budget than concorde!
Tu-144D was better than concorde, had better cruising speed(without afterburners).Had only 10%less range and 25% less fuel load,and bit larger passenger capacity...so, far better fuel economy. Tupolev is not my country aircraft
sadly dajsino mate the russians lost 5 (FIVE) yes thatss right 5
the first was at paris number 2 was on a flight to toyko in 1971,3 was during take off at moscow airport,4 was at the testing stage at Tupolov's plant and number 5 was on a flight to vladivostock... (from the KGB files)
it was a bad design as it was bulit from a set of stolen plans left out so they could be stolen...after flight number 2 the plane was redesigned to include the "canard"wings behind the cockpit but it still crashed
omg what a crappy plane, glad they pulled them out of airline service before anymore people were killed. God bless the concorde for their longevity service!
justincrzo 6 months ago
Time for some disputed thoughts .....wiki
"The Soviet government published the concept of the Tu-144 in an article in the January 1962 issue of the magazine Technology of the Air Transport. The air ministry started development of the Tu-144 on 26 July 1963, ten days after the design was approved by the Council of Ministers. The project started two years later than the Concorde. The plan called for five flying prototypes to be built in four years. The first aircraft was to be ready in 1966."
boundaryzero 8 months ago
Another Soviet aeronautical failure .... blah, blah, blah .... The Tu144 was first .... Big freaking deal .... The few planes that were built had problems flying .... FAR TOO MANY CRASHES .... and the concept and design was never put into production and service .... The British and French were successful with the Concorde .... Granted at a very high cost .... America was the only country smart enought to know that supersonic transport technology didn't have a viable place in commercial use.
swampwatch 9 months ago
@swampwatch So all that money spent on the B2707 must have been some sort of a figment of my imagination ... And the fact that it was only canceled under extremely controversial circumstances in 71 must also be just something people made up? And a lot of the reasons for the cancellation were due to the greenies that America loves some much ... must also never have been the case... yep... that's how it happened!
pubuman 8 months ago
@pubuman ...... Always read a statement in its entirety ... my last sentence explains why th U.S. put the brakes on its SST program ... "America was the only country smart enought to know that supersonic transport technology didn't have a viable place in commercial use."
swampwatch 8 months ago
@swampwatch And no one in the world has still figured out that to make it viable all they had to do was make it have dual deck and make it the size of airbus a380 with nose and wings of TU144. if it has same flight characteristics as a supersonic plane it will fly supersonic no matter how big. More range, Half the time, 500+ passengers. even with a few extra pouds more on fuel cost. That TUPOLEV 144/A380 would rape both planes commercial viability wize. All u need is longer runways.
akouzov 2 weeks ago
@pubuman US just didnt have the BALLS to let their citezens fly at military speed. Pussiez. (And of course that was a crude joke). they just decided to go for easy option B. Rip off the taxpayer on faking the moon landings instead of making something actually useful
akouzov 2 weeks ago
Concordeskie xD
crabmaniac1 10 months ago
such a beautiful plane
mboy3515 1 year ago
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"The fact is, Russians stole the ideas from the English, and started building 3 years late.. Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues. "
The truth
doormagic 1 year ago
@joc69uk Only one major incident, crash in Toulouse I think.. Not sure. That was caused by a DC10's strip of metal on the runway. The Concorde has thin wings but it had to be light..
Taz1451 1 year ago
SO , it flew before concorde ! , It also crashed 30 years before concorde . It never ever made a comercial flight . Massive waste of human endeavour .
gigaboat 1 year ago
@gigaboat It made 55 commercial passenger flights over 7 weeks. This required 5 aircraft be available so at least one was in flight condition. Andrei Tupolev had to be available to personally approve every flight. The maximum passenger load carried was 80. Aeroflot didn't mention the Aircraft in it's 1970 5 year plan for operations
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@comercio76 nope
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Timurchin1 1 year ago
Mikeplay007 - you're either brain dead or muppet. Probably a brain deat muppet. Has no one ever told you - if you don't know what you're talking about, then keep your gob shut. Total muppet.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
A Russian said on here but diff video "the TU-144 scared 10 colours of sh*t out of us everytime we flew it". Basically sums it up in a nut shell.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
Scoutrussp7
The air ministry started development of the Tu-144 on 26 July 1963, following approval by the Council of Ministers 10 days earlier. The project started two years later than Concorde.
The Tu-144 was introduced into passenger service on 1 November 1977, almost two years after the Concorde, but was soon withdrawn after just 55 scheduled passenger flights due to potentially severe problems with aircraft safety and was not re-introduced to service.
or 27 years ? whats the better jet?
bomberhayley 2 years ago
The TU 144 was a copy of Concorde. The Soviets were stealing the plans for years, they were busted. It aint no secret. NASA tested a TU 144 as Soviets dumped the project. Now where exactly do you think NASA was going to get a Concorde airframe. There were 8 of them, all in service, do you think AF or BA were going to say " NASA, which one would you like?" NASA would have loved to get their hands on 1 so they could figure out the engine intakes and computers running them. I think not.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
@shearersshorts If you read up where did US engineers got the jet engine technology, you will not use still anymore... half of american technologies are either stolen or bought our... cars technologies as well as cars too... dumb ass
SergeyVA 2 years ago
@SergeyVA sorry I would reply but I have no idea what your post means.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
@shearersshorts
blablabla...
Read before you wright..
Everything inside is totally differante, including the form of the wings- the most important thing...
RADAMES1983 1 year ago
I think the operational service records of both planes speak for themselves. Concorde served for more than two decades, the Tu-144 hardly served at all. And the reason why NASA is using Tu-144s to conduct research is probably more related to the costs of buying Concorde airframes vs the relatively cheap Tu-144s. Nevertheless, the Tu-144 would have been a very impressive aircraft if it had been done right. It sure looks cool as hell.
realramm 2 years ago
hmm... tu-144 isn't a concord.
vetsakur 2 years ago
Concorde made it's first flight 2 mounth later after Tu-144
Tupolev is the first
Scoutrussp7 2 years ago 32
@Scoutrussp7 it flex first just because of political pressure. It was far for safe and silent. In fact, it carried mail and cargo because the passengers couldn't stand the noise and vibration. TU-144 could have been a great plane but it was not. The soviet spied stole the blueprints of Concorde in Toulouse, France but they could not achieve their prototype.
rugbytlse 1 year ago
@Scoutrussp7 No it wasn't, Tupolev stole the plans for concorde and under-cut safety in order to fly the Tu-144 first.
ssssroryssss2 1 year ago
@ssssroryssss2 Than how come that TU-144 is totally different than concord? In structure design size, performance, everithing... Onley the beautifool lines of the wing is alike, ohh sorry thet is also different if you look at it clouse...
U know nothing about flying, and airplanes... ;) That is ok, but why ... never mind....
Modellpecs 10 months ago
Russians developed first not at all history tells us the success of the tu-144 and the concorde. Which do you think was rushed into production first for propaganda reasons.
mrmfatic 2 years ago
i think that TU 144 are now in seattle or something like that i have seen a documentry there i saw TU144 in the states
antivalente 2 years ago
does the tu-144 still flyin till today....
75cartoon 2 years ago
No, is no active Tu-144 in the world........Shame!
cristianstefan 2 years ago
well there is a restored tu144 there is 1 with registration number CCCP-77115
its the last one ever made at maks 2007 it taxied on own power over zhukovsy in russia everything is original even the engines that havent started for 10 years!
oen921 2 years ago
is it restored to taxible condition, or is the bird airworthy?
Xantec 2 years ago
sorry but the Russians developed the supersonice jet first, British stole it..
colin200011226 2 years ago
what was "the supersonic jet"?
UtubeEmployee3387 2 years ago
nowhere near as pretty or good as the british ( and the good old french) concorde
boltjet135 2 years ago
@boltjet135 if Concord would have been superiour than TU 144, than NASA would have make there tests on CONCORD not on TU 144, but fact is that TU 144 technologically far superiour than CONCORD.
mikeplay007 2 years ago
concorde flew for many years and crashed because of a piece metal on the runway, the TU 144 crashed becase 1.) it was in france and 2.) it was a dodgy russian aircraft
boltjet135 2 years ago
French fighter collided with it while making risky maneuvers around it and taking photos.
MrUncertain 2 years ago
@boltjet135 Fail... 2) dodgy pilot... not the plane
SergeyVA 2 years ago
@SergeyVA The Paris plane crashed due to taking emerency evasive action - a avoiding French Mirage that was trying to photogragh it. The airframe could not take the stress placed on the airframe and broke up. The French AND Soviets kept it quiet but the French caused it and the Soviet did not want the truth to be known about how bad the TU-144 was. It has only been made public knowledge since the fall of the USSR. ..................FACT.
shearersshorts 2 years ago
Do not call it a fact untill it is a fact... TU 144 also failed due to a mechanical unstability of an aparatus...such a stress that the pilot put on that machine was not yet programmed into the frame of the plane yet...Fact?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SergeyVA 1 year ago
If they copied the Concorde they did it from wet blueprints,because that shit is awful....
muchiacho 2 years ago
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Concorde copy much?
erniethefart 2 years ago
no not really
Concorde is a copier of the TU-144
ugnut123 2 years ago 22
they have better planes now anyway.
erniethefart 2 years ago
i know
ugnut123 2 years ago
aerodynamics is one for all the planes so many of'em look alike
AV58 2 years ago 4
you've got it the wrong way round, development of concorde started 2 years before the tu 144.
jimmyteg 2 years ago
@ugnut123 Concorde isn't a COPY. They were both being developed at the same tme. the Russians achieved flight a few weeks earlier, that's all.
whitbyjet65 1 year ago
@ugnut123 No it isn't you idiot.. Russian spys stole the idea from the English.. You're an idiot, and probably Russian, thinking you're the best..
Taz1451 1 year ago
@Taz1451 umm........
i hate the russains u faggot and i am american.
The Tu-144 flew for the first time in December 1968, and Concorde had its first flight in March of the next year.
ugnut123 1 year ago
@ugnut123 I wasn't talking about which flew first.. The fact is, Russians stole the ideas from the English, and started building 3 years late.. Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues. Concorde was one of the safest until that piece of metal got on the runway.
Taz1451 1 year ago
@Taz1451 "Some of the instructions were wrong, hence the TU-144's stability issues"....that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a very loooong time. It's not a stinking stool you screw together without even thinking what the fuck you're doing there.
klin1klinom 1 year ago
@klin1klinom I couldn't think of the write word. The Russians sent spies to steal the designs of parts of Concorde.. They were unable to obtain the correct wing designs and body, hence the stability issues. BAE improved on the bad design and rectified the problems.. Concorde had a LONG lifetime, TU-144 hardly anything.. NASA only used it because Concorde was under Air France and BA.. That any better?
Taz1451 1 year ago
@Taz1451 Again, that changes nothing in what I said. Even if that was true, everything is put to test and any deficiencies in design are smoothed out. The very first wind tunnel tests with scale models would immediately show any problems. Anyway, neither Concorde nor TU-144 were economically justifiable - in SU no one would use it because of operation costs, hence early retirement. You trust wikipedia too much.
klin1klinom 1 year ago
@klin1klinom I think you'll find the Wikipedia article on the TU-144 is pretty basic. I've researched my info.. From what I understand, the French didn't want to risk any more crashes so they took Concorde out of service, and BA had to follow. The TU-144 was structurally un-stable. The Russians wanted it to fly before Concorde, why would they put it in a wind tunnel? Maybe for a bit, but they simply couldn't fix the problems. They added them notches at the front.. To compensate for the weakness.
Taz1451 1 year ago
@Taz1451 Wind tunnel - first step in air craft design. Stress tests - last. Nothing goes airborne without this. What leadership wanted is irrelevant - design bureaus always had the last say, so long they stick to the proposed specs. Especially Tupolev - government was literally praying to him. Anyway, this conversation is just too ridiculous...ignorance runs deep.
klin1klinom 1 year ago
@ugnut123 That is not correct the Tu-144 was made via stolen blue-prints of the concorde hence it's crudeness in design and functionality i.e. parachutes for brakes and low stability whilst flying in lower speeds and the later add-on of the tilt nose.
theonick2 9 months ago
@theonick2 Wrong... just wrong, read Moon's excellent account of the Tu - 144 development ...
pubuman 8 months ago
ur all pussies!!!!!
adzmc123 2 years ago
concorde is much beter but the concorde came from tu-144 :)
iPH0NE4me 2 years ago
That is a load of rubbish and you know it.
qwertdr 2 years ago
USA = FAIL
b0m83d 2 years ago
Concorde 0 - 1 Final leage Time 90:00
Concorde = looser , TU144 winer
French poepole = looser russian = winer
USA = out of leag
= hahahahha
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
looser?
poepole?
winer?
leag?
Concorde is equally British and French, and it looks as if you are the loser, or as you would say 'looser'...
qwertdr 2 years ago
napoleon ----- faild
hitler -------- faild
USA ------- faild
america 0 france 0 = loooooser
RUSSIA = winer ,= tu 144 , ameri looser america looser hahhahah hihihih hohohoh lalalalal
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Falid isn't a world.
Winer isn't a word.
Pathetic.
qwertdr 2 years ago
winer = looser ²
kkalashnikov_micha.
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
So you said Russia is a loser squared?
Um.
I'd just advise you to shut up in general.
qwertdr 2 years ago
when you finish primary school, you will distinguish the commas and the dots, baby houstt
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
It has to be you who is from primary school as your sentences don't even make sense. Your comments always have some nonsense in them, and you blame me?
Ha.
The world could do without morons like you.
qwertdr 2 years ago
I know 4 languages
the french perfectly
Arabic perfectly
Russian perfectly
Algerian dialect also
English I is not necessary,
- You the English you speak your language, so you only know one language, ta makes you a Conard, so I am more intelligent and more educated than you, hahaahha, akakakka ahahaha childen go go. You can never take all the langes., ahaha
remark (you is not obliged to answer, because ta rien a dire)
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Ha! What a pathetic person you are. How you you know I can not speak any other languages. How do I know you're not just lying?
Just go live in your hole, away from humanity and let us humans live in peace, because people like you are not needed in this world.
qwertdr 2 years ago
i win you = you lose , = go to hell
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
I won't be going to Hell, as I don't want to spend the rest of eternity with you.
You = Moron = Pratt = Not Clever = Shut up
qwertdr 2 years ago
People like you should commit suicide because he has nothing do hahahah
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
normal you are a loser in your life, and you is you are jealous jealous jealous jealous jealous, because I am better than you, and I would not spend my life with dirty American English or stupid, your destruction is near, even God 'wants more of you. you saw your people complete anarchy you like animals even worse you are the scum and you partially. American and English pigs hahahahaah =
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Now you see, I don't have anything against Russia. Just because your stupid comments, I don't hate all of Russia. It is down to stupid, ignorant, childish morons like you who help make this world more and more difficult to live in. Your ideas of how I might be jealous of you are amazing. Why the hell would I want to be the stupid, ignorant, childish moron that you are? All this 'winer looser' crap - that is the stuff of losers, i.e. You.
The world could do without someone like you.
qwertdr 2 years ago
the most stupid and childish you are your country whose end is near, you do not know what to do you're lost you ignorant people tremble with fear, hahaahha / I hate it I hate to race ta ta race I simply hate the co2 that you ReGet in the area, I hate the smell of you you dirty Negro or white or, for you is part of a breed of dogs and pigs, which disturbs the world
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Once again, a world without you would be a better place.
qwertdr 2 years ago
a world without scum like you that would be even better without me,
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
That is just one of my points of why you are a disgrace to the human race, denial of your stupid doings.
At least I know I'm right.
qwertdr 2 years ago
I believed you were dead §§!!!!!! you are worse than a monkey, a disgrace to the world of monkeys, not to say human
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Dead? How dare you wish me dead, before it was petty argument, but suggesting my death would please you. That hits me. I'm really shocked. Do you really fully understand that? What is effectively a 'I wish you were dead' situation is... I don't know what to say.
Just end this silly argument NOW. YouTube offer support from the Police for things like this, and I suggest you stop before I start looking into getting them involved
qwertdr 2 years ago
if you do not know what to tell you. then you can shut. yes indeed I wish you death a punishment from God. you is a disbeliever so I wish you death atrocious
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
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if you do not know what to tell you. then you can shut. yes indeed I wish you death a punishment from God. you is a disbeliever so I wish you death atrocious
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
That's it then, I'm getting the police in.
qwertdr 2 years ago
pofffffff, the police hahaha
- I fuck the police, even if you part
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
you big idiot, you think I keep up with your ridiculous comment,
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
Well with that uncalled for remark, yes.
qwertdr 2 years ago
yes I know that you are human waste,
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
I've got better things to do.
Good day.
qwertdr 2 years ago
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IF you had better things to do. Poor idiot. you do not answer any of my messages. son of a bitch
kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
with that kind of spelling, USA is out of LEAG!!! lol!
SergeyVA 1 year ago
Очень прошу не называть ту-144 "russian concorde".Это оскорбительно для всех советских людей, считающих его гордостью своей страны. Проэкт не приследовал никаких коммерческих интересов и был катострофически убыточным. Билет от Москвы до Алма-Аты на ту 144 стоил 68 сов. рублей.
romychur 2 years ago
TU-144 First flight 31 December 1968
CONCORDE First flight 2 March 1969
ljeskovica 3 years ago
That plane looks like a cartoon character. Well well fucken russians just not as smart as the west
pakruy 3 years ago
Ну и пофиг что не летает. Главное что Ту-160 летает )
ooroborus 3 years ago 3
The Tu-144 has many differences from the Concorde. Take a closer look and you'll see that the landing gear, nose, tail and canards are all different. The Tu was also in some ways, more technically advanced than the Concorde.
zedextreme8177 3 years ago
Yeah and thats why it fell apart in the sky.. the only thing that destroyed the real concordes 100% record was a shitty american tyre which ripped apart and struck the engine! Concorde is a legend, queen of the sky, well she would be if she wasnt just tossed aside like a piece of used toilet roll.. she will be back one day..
cvzyder 3 years ago
The only thing which destryed this was a french mirage which was attempting to photograph it's canards. The tu-144 pilot was not aware of this and would have been surprised to see a mirage. trying to avoid it, the tu pulled up sharply, and that caused intolerable g-forces on it causing it to crash.
AlphaHydroxyAcid 3 years ago 2
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Alpha is an ASSHOLE.. He called me a Dunderhead.. hmm, so I looked it up.
Dunderhead-- A fan of the show "The Office" on NBC. The word stems from the fictitious paper supply company "Dunder Mifflin" featured in the show
If that's the biggest insult he can come up with, I am impressed. What a DOUCHE!
dkorda 3 years ago
Yo asshat, try this definition:
A Dunce, which itself, means a blockhead, a dickhead, or many other things that fit you well.
Found a word you don't know eh? DUNDERHEAD!!!
AlphaHydroxyAcid 3 years ago
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kalashnikovmicha 2 years ago
probably the most beautiful passenger plane ever built!!!!
rythmnsoul 3 years ago
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HellerJackson 3 years ago
Really Tu-144 is russian Concorde, but Tu- is much better. Tu-160 is russian B-1 spirit and Russian plane is better again.
player1diao 3 years ago
No, just no.
qwertdr 3 years ago
shut up, u don't know anyting.
i hate people that aren't more clever, than monkeys
player1diao 3 years ago
Don't be so harsh on yourself.
I'm sure you have a useful purpose in life other than being an idiot.
A footstool?
qwertdr 3 years ago
even this is better, than your. walking delusion. pariah
player1diao 3 years ago
You're just a biased idiot, whereas I tell the truth.
The TU-144 is NOT a Russian Concorde. They are in fact very different aircraft that only look similar.
Then you insult me for no good reason.
You obviously can't put commas in the right place, and you tell me I'm stupid...
qwertdr 3 years ago
shut ur stinky mouth, brain-off dicksucker! they aren't viry different. but i don't want to talk about that with you, stupid asshole)
player1diao 3 years ago
The systems and way they were constructed were very different. Simple. I wouldn't say it if I didn't know.
qwertdr 3 years ago 2
yes they are. they are like cars. different, but the aims were simple, thats why they resemble
player1diao 3 years ago
You are a very rude an nasty person, i never did anything to you.
Sure they had the same aims, but I was talking about weather it was a straight copy or not. Which it isn't and technically they are very different.
Like cars, they have the same aim, but different manufacturers have different methods and systems internally.
Don't be a pratt next time.
qwertdr 3 years ago
If you want to talk about copies, you need to know that Tu-144 was FIRST civil supersonic aircraft - it flied up first, it reach 2M first. Concorde was second. That's all.
ooroborus 3 years ago
Yep, but the British and French did a pretty good job to build a copy and fly it in just two months ;-)
SAHBfan 3 years ago 2
and to be in service alot longer.
Target842 2 years ago
your a dick head
cvzyder 3 years ago
you mean 'you are = you're'
;-)
lulucheerful 2 years ago
Just to straighten things out before they even started work on concorde the french & british already had similar designs therefore it was easier for them to work together and even more weird in my opinion is that whilst the u.s were running the competion to do a us S.S.T lockheed martins design was similar to concorde (really dont know why boeing got the contract). So it really doesnt surprise me the russians made a plane incredibly similar ALL THE PIGGIN COUNTRIES DID! LOL
calumknight1984 3 years ago
i'm russian and i know! yes, they are very different, but once our engineers were busted with concords charts. simple, guys. just read some books. like i do. i don't post stupid posts like others do. i write that things that the books are telling about
player1diao 2 years ago
its not Tu-144
hIpI208 3 years ago
It is.
qwertdr 3 years ago
Actually the Concorde's design was started mid-late 50's and complete by 1962, which was when France agreed to join the project to build the prototypes. The tu-144 started development in 1963.
Just because you can be the first to build something, hardly implies you were solely responsible for the designing it. Yes there are differences, but there are striking similarities also.
SCOTTovHX2 3 years ago
In aviation, if you want to go fast you follow the same rules. Tu-144LL was by no means a "copy" of anything designed by the Fing french or british. It had "lines" of similarity but nothing functioned the same way other than the ailerons and elevons. The engines, fuselage, systems were all Russian origin. In some ways the Tu-144 was superior, primarily in speed. Both Concorde and Tupolev 144 were impressive and lovely planes worthy of our appreciation.
tejavia 3 years ago
"In some ways the Tu-144 was superior, primarily in speed." yeh but it lacked the range and fuel economy. due to it's need to have re-heat on while supersonic compared concordes super cruise.
"Both Concorde and Tupolev 144 were impressive and lovely planes worthy of our appreciation."- agreed
ECAaxel 3 years ago
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fly58000 3 years ago
"British and Frecnh built the greatest commercial supersonic airliner with 19th century technology "
Y'know, I always had my suspicions about them riveted cast iron deckplates... the wing mounted steam engines did a good job, though, eh?
;-)
SAHBfan 3 years ago
few facts:
Construction of the first pilot TU-144 ( "044") began in 1965, at the same time built a second copy for static testing. Pilot "044" was originally calculated at 98 passengers, later, that figure had risen to 120. Accordingly, the estimated take-off weight increased from 130 tons to 150 tons.
In 1967, was finished assembling basic elements of the aircraft.
During the whole of 1968 were carried out finishing work and full staffing missing aircraft systems and units.
alpointru 3 years ago
At the same time at the LII airfield began flying aircraft analogue MiG-21I (A-144, "21-11"), established on the basis of MiG-21S fighter. Analogue was created in Mikoyan Design Bureau and had a wing of geometric and aerodynamic wing experienced a similar "044". Overall, it was built two "21-11", they flew many test pilots, including those who had to suffer Tu-144.
After completing the program of test flights of "044" (about 150 flights) and remained in a test copy.
alpointru 3 years ago
thanks for the info you obviously know your stuff!!
lordofbore 3 years ago
It's true:
-Tupolev Tu-144 first flight 31 December 1968
-Concorde first flight 2 March 1969
Russian were first.... At this video real TU144, which has been sold in the USA (Boeing) in 1993 - for conducting researches in supersonic passenger aircraft
p77777q 3 years ago
If you actually read the more advanced specs on both aircraft you would soon realise that the tu-144 is actually more advanced than the concorde for example the forward canards etc. However, the tu-144 was rushed so they came out with crap build quality. The tu-144 was faster but couldn't maintain supersonic speed without afterburner, therefore limiting the range by quite a bit.
patrickthepanda2117 3 years ago
Tu-144 first flight 31 December 1968
Concorde First flight 2 March 1969
fuck em all
Aviiiatorrr 3 years ago
first of all,it flew on a 31.12.1968 because the hruschev promised that it would be in the air before 1969.second,french aircraft designer marcel dassault said that when two designs beraou design an SST plane they would most likely end with the similar looking planes because there is only so much eficient configurations,in that respect pumpinboner you are right.and third the espionage thing was mainly turned towards the tires and their composition
INDIFICIENTER 3 years ago
hthtyun, you obviously have comprehension problems, my comments are based on wikipedias info. *rolls eyes*
In this instance the concorde was first, I'm not from the UK just stating the facts. But I'll happily sit back and watch you rewrite history with your factless claims ;)
As for your super race comment, that is pure Nazi Germany propoganda, hardly relevant to people with more than two braincells since that was 60+ years ago and Germany is nothing like that today.
Silv3rLining 3 years ago
germany is a wonderfull country. i plan to move there when i become old enough (im 14) as i am currently learning german and dont think i am too bad.
southdownies 3 years ago
Bullshit. Russians did not copy - it is just a simple fact that if you want to go supersonic with such a large plane, there is not an unlimited amount of configurations. the planes HAD to look similar, although, if you look closely, they are in fact quite different designs...
pumpinboner 3 years ago 3
Copycat russians... In case you didn't know the Russian KGB agents (spies) had copied Concorde's blueprints from England and made one as quick as they could so they could release there version a year before Concorde in 1968. The reason why Concorde was a much more successful plane was because it had been worked on since the early 40s until 1969 when it was released. The Konkordski had only been worked on for a few years and as quick as they could just so they could say it was their invention.
MoonpigStar 3 years ago
WOW!!! before the Supreme Race was GErman! now is English??? what can you copy from UK,fried breakfast for a healthy race??))))
hthtyun 3 years ago
The basics for the concorde was stolen from tupelov tu 144. Kgb has stolen the basics not tupelov!!!
260717 3 years ago
wtf ? how do you work that one out ? Tupolev did'nt start development until early to mid 60's. Concorde was designed in the 50's. Boeing also tried to mimic and seriously failed. Both accounts the designs 'stolen'.
dubkat 3 years ago
The design of serial Tu-144 with engines NK-144A to be significantly upgraded to carry out significant changes in aerodynamics aircraft with a cruising at supersonic mode Kmaks more than 8.
Construction of the prototype series of upgraded Tu-144 (004) began in 1968.
alpointru 3 years ago
In order to improve the aerodynamic characteristics of aircraft to cruise M = 2.2, change the shape of the wing (forwardswept ambient part of the front edge and reduced to 76 degrees, and the base had increased to 57 degrees), the form wing has become closer to the "gothic".
alpointru 3 years ago
but the 144 is now used for military troop transport or? at least ive heard something like this, but also that it crashed then again...
nowadays i think both the concorde and the TU-144 are crap, it was nice that they have built such plains but in the end the frenchies and englands as well as the russians just wanted to show what their engeneers were capable - if you see, the us dont have a supersonic airplaine for human transport not even yet ;)
Cabuncle 3 years ago
concorde is a masterpiece! Destroying it is a huge leap backwards!
itfcmatt 3 years ago
huh
TonyFirelli 3 years ago
Concorde and Tu-144... it was it is just that they got old... 1969...
TonyFirelli 3 years ago
Russian copying the FRENCH and ENGLISH remember CONCORDE
tazounet612 3 years ago
no... Russia made it two months before, how can they copy if they made it first? first idea of super sonic travel was acutely in Australia.
TonyFirelli 3 years ago 3
The concorde was first thought of and under construction in 1965, and flew for the first time in 1969, when did this plane start being constructed and first flew?
fly4fun123 3 years ago
Actually the Concorde's design was started mid-late 50's and complete by 1962, which was when France agreed to join the project to build the prototypes. The tu-144 started development in 1963.
Just because you can be the first to build something, hardly implies you were solely responsible for the designing it. Yes there are differences, but there are striking similarities also.
Silv3rLining 3 years ago
Just watching wikipedia,a pro-english site;it shows TU 144 1 year earlier and better in every sense
hthtyun 3 years ago
true.
dannepanne87 3 years ago
if that is so why DID the russians lose 5 TU144's if they where so good then? face it the Concorde lasted longer in service and had a far better safty record then the TU144 ever did... so your primise that england and france had inferior meteallurgy and aerodynamics is utter piffle... the KGB stole the (doctored) plans from B.A and cocked it up ...
grahamkeithtodd 3 years ago
Tu-144 is better for sure
dajsinjo 3 years ago
narrr the Concord was far better..it was in service longer then the TU144 was.. it had only one crash compaired to the TU144's 5 recorded crashed and it lasted longer...so how do you come to the conclusion that the TU144 was better? it may have been faster but only if it was on full after burners... and it could not substain tha top speed for long with out the engings melting...seems to me you know little or next to nothing about your own countrys aircraft...mind you THAT is understandable...
grahamkeithtodd 3 years ago
crashes ware probably because they ware more variants of tupolev 144, every new type new risk,
they also had far less budget than concorde!
Tu-144D was better than concorde, had better cruising speed(without afterburners).Had only 10%less range and 25% less fuel load,and bit larger passenger capacity...so, far better fuel economy. Tupolev is not my country aircraft
dajsinjo 3 years ago
they ware two crashes: first on paris airshow,other while testing new Tu-144D.
Both don't say that it was bed design!
dajsinjo 3 years ago
sadly dajsino mate the russians lost 5 (FIVE) yes thatss right 5
the first was at paris number 2 was on a flight to toyko in 1971,3 was during take off at moscow airport,4 was at the testing stage at Tupolov's plant and number 5 was on a flight to vladivostock... (from the KGB files)
it was a bad design as it was bulit from a set of stolen plans left out so they could be stolen...after flight number 2 the plane was redesigned to include the "canard"wings behind the cockpit but it still crashed
grahamkeithtodd 3 years ago