part 3of 6 -Constantine the Great- Critical moment 5/6 Ancient Rome The Rise and Fall of an Empire

[Crazyman1212]

fuck off, this is how christianity started?

[Stardweller1]

@Crazyman1212 No. It was already centuries old by this time. This was just how it ended up being the official religion of the Roman Empire.

[sqccccccccc]

@Stardweller1 It became official much latter on by Emperor Theodosius I known as Theodosius the great on February 27, 380 AD.

[Stardweller1]

@sqccccccccc Okay, perhaps it would have been more accurate to say this is how it became sanctioned by the Roman Empire. Thanks for the input.

[RELeeOnTraveller]

Constatine was baptized on is death bed at age 72, or so.

[KubernetePirata]

Edict of Milan is a mistake, it's too soon to allow Christianity to be worshiped

[USERACCOUNT40001]

Also, Constantine's Edict of Milan was designed to draw out the other members of the Tetrarchy, who were still persecuting Christians as per Diocletian's former orders. Though it is worth mentioning that Diocletian's persecutions were largely engineered by Galerius, who was using religious persecution as a "wedge issue" - he knew that the western rulers were reluctant to persecute Christians andhe could easily sell their reluctance as "treason" in order to raise his  influence with Diocletian

[USERACCOUNT40001]

Oh, good to see that the braintrust from r/atheism is in the comments

- Constantine was most likely a Christian for most, if not all of his reign. His father, Constantius Chlorus was highly tolerant and sympathetic to Christians in the west during Diocletian's persecutions and Constantine had similar values

- In early Christianity, baptism was usually done near the end of life as it was seen as a way to "wipe the slate clean" before entering into the afterlife

[EBKCuz]

I watched a documentary about Constantine in the History Channel and they revealed that Constantine was actually a cruel ruler. History never revealed how cruel he was.

[rrose1978]

@EBKCuz Must be true at least to a degree. Even when watching this movie, one can see that he was cruel, or at least uncaring/unmoved at points where most people would probably be. On the other hand, it was the prerequisite of the times and the state he was the ruler of. Times were different back then.

[iiAngelic]

wait so Constantine married his sister?

[smittieh]

@iiAngelic no.

[englishfrenchgerman]

@iiAngelic Constantine married off his sister to Emperor Licinius

[Justinian43]

one man changed the world, one man started as son of a mere officer and rose to become emperor, but emperors are made and un-made, live forever or fade in a second, but he changed history forever! His decision led christianity and the west to survive and prosper, without constantine, there would be no justinian, heraclius, basil II, alexius comnenus, etc.!

[Seanze329]

Why don't people take this as a symbol that religions can come out of nowhere for use by powerful people and thus showing evidence that religion is made to be convenient for people by people?

[Lhein33]

@Seanze329 1. The Church existed for 300 years before Constantine; it was persecuted but still managed to expand (15% of the Romans were Christians before Constantine, this means some millions). So, it didn't "came out of nowhere".

2. Terrorists and blackmailers can use a lot of thing to entrap you (e.g. your love for your family). This doesn't mean that they CREATED this love or that you should not love your family. The question about religions is ALWAYS & ONLY a question of TRUE AND FALSE.

[johnkerry7]

@Lhein33 that was not his point. His point was that people can and always will use religion to manipulate for power.

[Seanze329]

It's kind of annoying reading all of the comments and seeing everyone making Christianity seem like "the right choice" even though that his reign is a wonderful example of rulers using religion as a tool for their own gains.

[Seanze329]

@ANTIAMERICANCRUSADE THat doesn't matter. It's pretty easy to get baptized. xD

[truecinema]

3:11- 3:19 Batman Begins?

[ulongkoror]

"i am a liberator,not a conqueror!"

thats what napoleon said too

[Marlik48]

why he wears the same crown as was given to Tiberius Grachcus after the battle of carthage?

[SirLuke3375]

The Constantine was baptized by the end of his life. The Senat proclaimed him as a god, when he died. He become "divus", as one of the best emperors, like Traianus, or Claudius. It was quite complicated. He also used pagan title "Pontifex Maximus" during his regin. The facts also say, that he have supported Christians for a longer time. Yes, he worshipped Apollo and Sol Invictus, but finaly he choosed Christ. I think he made very good decision:)

[SirLuke3375]

Constantine wasn't actually as kind as the people think;)

There was no such thing like edict of Milan. Constantine, and Licinius discussed about the problem of Emperor Daia. There was no formal decision to legalize Christianity, but in fact, Christianity become very important. Even Iulian the apostate could not stop changes. Some say that the decisive moment was Frigidus battle in394. Theodosius has won as a true Christian Emperor. IMO we can't point out essential moment.

[kierz79]

its amazing how many modern day christians do not know this period of their religion, as if this period had happened differently the chances of christianity being as big of a religion as it is today is very slim if their was one at all

[smile221]

It kindof kills the mood when all of the extras are clearly south asian and all the actors are white...

[Stardweller1]

@ShowYourWorking Not all its impact has been bad. Let's not forget that.

[williamxiji]

9:46 recycled footage from critical moment 3 jewish revolt

[DamnControl2]

@williamxiji It always is.

[thescorpionking2020]

constantine's wife is super hot

[SonnyDelight55]

They should have made an episode about Diocletian. He was the one who divided Rome into the eastern and western empire.

[DimboTel]

Kelly14 X and P should be read together as ХРИСТОС or Christ

[Kelly14UK]

@DimboTel Christos. Thanks.  : )

[Kelly14UK]

Can someone tell me what the P shape means in the Chi Ro emblem? Thanks.

[fallen4life080]

@Kelly14UK it is the letter "R" in Greek, the entire eastern half of the empire spoke mainly Greek and was more influential than Latin was in the west, the name for christ in Greek was "Χριστός"

[Kelly14UK]

@fallen4life080 Of course, CYRILLIC. I know the Russian alphabet, a wee bit. Understand they are both related through a certain priest. P represents R in Russian, for example. Thanks for your reply.

[gamesbok]

@Kelly14UK The Priest was St. Cyril, believe it or nor who invented it in about 860 to promote the gospels in Slavic lands. The Chi Ro in this movie is Greek, but the story is bullshit. We have two versions of what happened at Malvian Bridge, both by Eusebius, and the first doesn't mention it.

[winterhunter91]

in the east of europe, in the ortodox religion, Constantine is a saint and here is known that Constantine was a christian himself

[hateUhuman]

some part are missing on 6:20

[255ad]

it's weird there's no selves in the early episodes about Caesar or Nero but later every ones covering there arms

[SagginWillies]

How Ironic, one day they are saying Christians in the Colosseum, then they march the whole empire in god's name. Is that the fate of America with Islam?

[255ad]

@SagginWillies no that's just silly in modern USA with democracy and no state religions

[Nerpha]

@duntaalik That was pretty common back then ,the idea of getting a clean sheet right before you stop breathing (how many sins can you commit on your death bed). I think he tried to make it to the Jordan but was too ill.

[212commandercody]

they reused the scenes from Rebellion and Julius Caesar lol

[blaster2187]

Well it's amazing to find Emperors who knew what they were doing.

[Bulloxe4]

@blaster2187

what do you mean by that? It seemed to me that every great genral, emperor, leader in history knew what he was doing.

[blaster2187]

@Bulloxe4 I'm saying before constantine their were Several Emperors that were either assinated or driven from Rome some were good generals and probably would have done a good job but were killed before they could prove themselves they assinated that's what I am Saying Constantine Knew How To Lead and Inspire that gave him Rome and the Empire

[TheRugbyfullback]

@Bulloxe4 lol say that to nero XD

[mastshke]

Rome went wrong and did what Octavian said best " there can only be one Caesar" When Rome went away from this and expanded way too far they fell. one of many reasons.

[e1suave]

@mastshke wow...

[Warfresco]

1:35 is the actor who played Julius Caesar in the first part of the series.

[JoeJuve2k7]

no its not pause the vid that ain't Sean Pertwee

[DamnControl2]

Its' amazing how this Emperor died peacefully. Most of the Emperor of Rome died brutally if it's not in their own hands they were betrayed.

[saiyanprince09]

While Constantine is well known for legalizing Christianity in the Roman Empire, it's never been confirmed whether or not he had become a Christian himself.

[johnnyreb1025]

all we can be sure of is that he was baptized on his death bed

[MrRobyoublind]

he was on hes death bed

[Nerpha]

@saiyanprince09 I think he belived in Christ at the end of his life ,wether he belived in Christ as sole diety is another matter

[chris2002Rocklin]

@saiyanprince09 I'd say most are sure not! He caused the Theocracy that was abusive within decades, some might say the whole time, but they also controlled the libraries (not just their own archives. they served their communities by copying manuscripts, and they knew who owned what books.

[antropopellazgu]

@chris2002Rocklin He made an act of charity and didn't imagine that the christians would be abusive. he had good intention and was legalizing freedom of religion. Then history is written by the powerful and alernates.

[RoyalPrussian]

@saiyanprince09 3:53 unlike her brother she was a christian

[Stardweller1]

@saiyanprince09 Well, either way, his decision led first to the religion's preservation, and then eventually to its triumph. And now look at tis impact on the world.

[SANxJONERO]

@saiyanprince09 He did become Christian.

[gamesbok]

@SANxJONERO He was baptised on his death bed, which wasn' unusual. He appears to have worshipped all available Gods, but he did found several Churches. He even regarded himself as a god in later life. He was highly supersticious and covered his options. It was Theodosius who made the Empire Christian.

[hhamor]

@gamesbok But Constantine did open up the concept of accepting Christianity.

[gamesbok]

@hhamor His Edict of Milan ligitimated all religions. Remember the army worshipped Mithras mostly, with virgin birth in a stable, martydom, risen in 3 days, 3 Magi at the birth, born 25th Dec etc etc. They hardly noticed the difference.

[iparra393]

@saiyanprince09 yeahp 

[lewisgunner1]

@saiyanprince09 yes it has hes a saint in the Catholic church

[Seanze329]

@lewisgunner1 That doesn't matter... He can simply keep his disbelief to himself.

[lewisgunner1]

@Seanze329 he was a Christan

[1998sakis]

@saiyanprince09 HE BECAME A CHRISTIAN 1 DAY BEFORE HIS DEATH

[spartanf34]

@saiyanprince09 how does the prince of all saiyans know that

[ninja909]

@saiyanprince09 "But this scheme was not to come to anything, for in the spring of AD 337, Constantine fell ill. Realising that he was about to die, he asked to be baptized. This was performed on his deathbed by Eusebius, bishop of Nicomedia."

[WhyUblocMe]

@saiyanprince09

he not only legalized Christianity, but encourage its growth. He down played the roman Gods and build christian churches throughout the empire. He also help to established the council of bishops and sat at its head. that council is still with us today in Rome. I don't understand how he is not a Christian.

[xSilverPhinx]

It's just awesome to think about how Constantine changed the world and the future.

[Seanze329]

@xSilverPhinx Yes it was an epic accomplishment. I don't think it was for the best though.

[iiAngelic]

@xSilverPhinx how

[TheWELSHGUARD]

The guy who plays Constantine plays that actor off Hotfuzz who gets decaffinated (decapitated)lol