I wonder what debate he is talking about? The Socratic Method style where observation is unnecessary like how Socrates said men must have more teeth than women because they're bigger, but never bothered to check? Or, the scientific method with peer reviewed results and observable results and the dramatic decrease of incidence of those diseases vaccines are said to cure? The second one has been done and is always being done. The Socratic Method is BS and why we had no progress for so long.
It is my understanding that the "odd" things in vaccines are designed to get your body to react in such ways that the vaccine can optimally do its job.
"The science is not settled." That's what is great about science. It is never settled. Any time there is evidence against any theory or accepted scientific fact, it can change everything. That's why science works so well, there is no dogma.
How does he think smallpox has been virtually annihilated? Was it clearly not swift vaccination attempts spearheaded by Western medicine? To all of the anti-vaccine champions, whether you like it or not, viruses kill people and smallpox claimed the lives of roughly half a billion people. So this begs the question: should humans do nothing and allow pathogens to ravage entire populations, or do we fight them with intellectual weaponry like we did with smallpox?
2008 CBS News Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"
The FDA/CDC are not funding clinical studies about a vaccine/autism link or tying to find out what causes autism. Genes can pre-dispose, but environmental triggers are needed
Julie Gerberding a corrupted former CDC head (2003-2009) defended vaccines, pushed Merck's Gardasil & mandatory flu vaccine
In 2010 she was made president of Merck's Vaccine division
Kryz doesn't address any info I post & resorts to personal attacks against people I reference. Kryz is a person w/o intellectual ammo or evidence, otherwise he/she would post proof vaccines are not linked to autism
Certainly Kryz would not deny the evidence that Merck, large vaccine maker, found during their clinical trials of MMR
Search- "MMR package Insert" -Merck found the MMR vaccine is linked to dozens of neurological & autoimmune injuries. 5 pages worth in the package insert
For all of you unfortunate ignoramuses that comment on this video: Vaccines do not cause autism. If you do the research and still think that it does, then you are insane and your youtube commenting privileges should be revoked.
@ManDudeYeah Hey, they're not insane; they just don't have a good grasp of logic and/or don't understand how "science is done" in general. Most people, by far, think that multiple anecdotes are enough to prove something. They don't know how to think/reason properly (often because they've never been taught to), but that doesn't make them insane.
Bill Maher is in good company saying vaccines need more study. Drs Dave Weldon, Edward Yazbak, Bernadine Healy all agree... 100s of others brave enough & secure enough to stand up to the drug industry. Money is used to push their agenda of profit, not patient safety or effective/needed medical treatments or vaccinations... just making money
Vioxx, pargluva, fosamax, aspartame, neurontin & 100s of other drugs & FDA approved products whose approval is bought & use is manipulated & fraudulent
@michael0156 But there have already been studies disproving the major claims made by anti-vaccination advocates. Someone being a doctor doesn't make what they say any more valid; most doctors aren't scientists. While it's reasonable to doubt studies directly funded by pharmaceutical companies, assuming all studies you disagree with are manipulated is crazy and paranoid.
Your comparisons make no sense; vaccines aren't patented by "big pharma," and, most importantly, they aren't even profitable.
Pontecaris & videopro hurl baseless insults, deceptions & lies. Science is absent from their arguments
They avoid scientific discussion because they know vaccines are harmful to a small % of children & adults. They know as vaccine schedules increase more kids' immune systems are disrupted
Merck scientists admit in the package insert MMR is linked to 2 autoimmune diseases, arthritis & diabetes. Merck states it's not proved MMR is the cause, but is not investigating the evidence they found
@michael0156 The fact that you're too lazy to actually look up the multitude of scientific studies that have been done regarding safety of the MMR vaccine doesn't mean that they don't exist. Google scholar yields multiple studies showing no causation between the vaccine and arthritis or diabetes. You don't need people to spoon-feed them to you in youtube comments. The studies showing a potential link were followed up by others that failed to find a causal relationship; that's how science works.
Dr Bernadine Healy, Dr Dave Weldon. Dr Edward Yazbak & MANY more all agree with Bill Maher about vaccines needing to be made safer & studied further
Vax are PROVED to cause serious injury in some kids & adults
As we increase the # of vax & drug companies cut corners (using adjuvants, making antigen in gene altered bacteria), they also increase toxins, immune reactive substances & prolong/intensify infant immune reactions
That is profit driven medicine, not science or safety based
@michael0156 Unfortunately for you, some people reading your post know enough immunology to call you on your BS. At least one has also had the added experience of attending a translational reasearch conference on the 'hurdles of vaccine design' (a subsection being focused on the copious FDA saftey and efficacy requirements).
My interpretation, the only reason you are so confident in your postings is that you have no idea what the words you are using mean...
@dankegel DrOprahVonPenishat ,sweetmikser,mykoolaidetastesfunny, and mikenumberone1--they all contain the same nonsense,distain for science, and phony appeals to authority and ad populum fallacies.
@michael0156 Bernadine Healy responded to an Insititute of Medicine finding by saying that there is probably a government consipracy against research on vaccinations. Dave Weldon said that Terry Schiavo "responds to vocal stimuli and [...] attempts to kiss her father".
Suggestion: try to look for more reliable sources of information. Plus, a medical doctor is NOT a scientist. In scientific terms, he's a technician. When I read about vaccins being bad in Nature, I'll be interested.
@michael0156 "Vax are PROVED to cause serious injury in some kids & adults"
What injuries? What's the mechanism -- by which I mean, how does the vaccination cause whatever injury is ascribed to it? You say "proved"... what is that proof?
"That is profit driven medicine"
And all these "studies" you're proposing to make vaccines these same people are declaring injurious "safer"--that's not? Excuse me; I beg to differ.
Two things: 1) Debate? On whether the science works? With whom? Politicians? Town hall people? What do they know about science? Scientists? What do YOU know about science, Bill?
2) "I had all the vaccins. [...] So I had horrible allergies as a kid. Was it because I was vaccinated? I don't know."
Typical Glenn Beck type of reasoning: "Is Obama a nazi? I don't know! I'm just asking the question!" No, you're implying, while you don't know a thing about it. Don't speculate, educate yourself!
@KryzMasta Thank you! Well said! I agree with 99.99% of what Bill ever says, but this is that .01% in which i disagree. He sounds like he's dipping his toes into more of a conspiracy theory than real fact.
In a 2008 CBS News interview Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
The late Dr Healy was a former NIH director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic's Chair of The Research Institute. Do you know more than she?
Google- "Vaccine Injury Table" or "MMR Package Insert" -You will find DOZENS of neurological injuries (& MORE) caused by or linked to vaccines
@michael0156 Was what Dr. Bernadine anything more than just a hypothesis or did he have evidence to support his claim? Without evidence, it doesn't mean much.
"The science is not settled." Now where have I heard that one before? Of course the science isn't "settled" Bill. Science doesn't work that way, and as a critic of intelligent design and other pseudosciences you should know that already. I have no idea why you toss out your normally critical and rational approach to concepts when it comes to health and medical treatment but you need to rethink this approach very soon before you sink to Sarah Palin-levels of credibility as a commentator.
@icemachine79 Bill Maher is correct when eh calls for proper investigation of the problems with vaccinations
In a 2008 CBS interview the late Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that we have not done the proper research"
Dr Healy is as mainstream as anyone can get. A former NIH Director, Professor of Medicine at Johns Hopkins, Chair of the Cleveland Clinic's Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant
Google- Vaccine Injury Table -Dozens of injuries that are proved to be caused by vaccines. The HRSA is so sure vaccines caused these injuries they automatically compensate children who apply for compensation if they have supporting medical records
Google- MMR package insert - Merck admits MMR has 100s of side-effects warnings & precautions linked to it
Google- nellco autism - Peer reviewed law study of 1000 kids who were paid for vaccine-caused brain damages. 83 were diagnosed with autism
@icemachine79 Your view, supporting the protection of drug industry profits, denies the scientific evidence we have showing vaccines cause neurological damage to a significant # of children. Vaccines are also proved to cause autoimmune disease (& more) in both animals & humans
Since 1988 mandatory vaccinations have tripled & autism has increased from 3-4 in 10,000 kids to 100 in 10,000
My "views" are based on the facts from The Vaccine Injury Table & Merck's MMR package insert
@michael0156 Well, in my opinion handheld gaming lead to the increase in Autism. After all, it didn't even exist in 1988 and became more common over time. (Correlation does not mean causation; just because two things happen at the same time doesn't mean that one caused the other.)
Google- Vaccine Injury Table - this is a list of vaccine injuries that are proved. Kids who have these injuries are automatically compensated by the VICP. Any other injury vaccines cause must be litigated in court & only in Washington DC
Google- MMR Package Insert - 100s of injuries, warnings, precautions for just 1 vaccine. Merck says MMR may cause these injuries in our kids, but its not proved. When they warn us, we can't sue them
@michael0156 "Drug companies don't pay a dime to the VICP"
They don't pay a dime to the Centers for Disease Control or Britain's National Health Services, either, which have independently reviewed the evidence from thousands of studies, pro and con, and say no causal link is demonstrated.
If it were, Mikey ought to be able to tell us what that mechanism is. Despite repeated requests to do so, he has not.
@uriituw Medicine has side-effects that are in some cases completely unaccounted for. The basic point he's making is that not everything has to be medicated excessively, and a lot of diseases can be avoided by living healthily.
@VexonCross Yeah, heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, lung cancer, sure. But jogging, eating an apple, and not smoking never kept anyone from getting smallpox. Use the right measure for the right disease.
@PatchesRips Exactly. Though I would think those that can be avoided generally are the more serious ones, varieties of cancer excluded. If you start medicating everything, though, chances are you'll get sicker, not better. It's good to let your own body fight off the smaller infections and diseases than overly medicate yourself to the point you're screwed when some new, powerful virus comes along.
@VexonCross With respect, I don't think you understand how the immune system works. It's not like exercise. Your immune system was born knowing what to do in case of an infection. What it needs is the specific instructions on the infecting agent in order to know how to combat it. You could have 50 "smaller" infections, and they won't do a thing to help you fight off the specific virus that causes polio if it comes along. But a polio vaccination will. Likewise each "smaller" infection itself.
@PatchesRips Most people did not get diagnosable smallpox, their immune systems handled the infection w/o any observable symptoms
Immune impairments make a disease deadly or pernicious. Our immune systems are affected by nutrition, sanitation, genes, toxins, radiation... we have 100s of new drugs (toxins with side effects) "designed" to disable parts of our immune system (enbrel, humira, remicade, singulair, etc)
Proper nutrition & exercise are our best defense, ALWAYS
@michael0156 "Most people did not get diagnosable smallpox, their immune systems handled the infection w/o any observable symptoms"
That is utter bullshit, and the worst irresponsible kind. People died in their tens of millions across history of smallpox; the young and the old, the rich and poor. It didn't matter what they ate, or how they prayed, or what magic talisman they carried in their pockets or around their necks. When they stopped was precisely when they began vaccinating for it.
@michael0156 But let's take a finer example: rabies. If it's just a matter of juicing up on the right veggies, why was rabies essentially UNIVERSALLY fatal until the advent of a vaccine? Why is it STILL universally fatal to this day, even among people like yourself, without the vaccine?
"Proper nutrition & exercise are our best defense, ALWAYS"
Wrong. Science and hundreds of years of medical experience are our best defense, ALWAYS; not New Age holistic mystic crystal woo.
@uriituw Bill Maher is not against science, he is for doing the proper inquiries into vaccinations
2008 CBS News interview- The late Dr Bernadine Healy stated "Vaccines may cause autism" and "It/'s inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy was a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of Cleveland Clinic's Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant. Bill Maher & Dr Andrew Wakefield say the same as Dr Healy, let's do the PROPER research
How would exposure to a dead or weakened strain of a disease not known to cause autism, throughout its long history of scourging mankind, cause autism?
Autism is a neurological based developmental disorder diagnosed by psychiatrists.
Google- Vaccine Injury Table - (VIT) Dozens of types of brain & immune injury (and more) are admitted to be caused by vaccines. We use the VIT to automatically compensate children who present medical records supporting the timeframe and symptoms described in these "table injuries"
Vax-caused brain damage has been causally linked to a diagnosis of autism in 83 children so far (Google- Nellco autism)
@michael0156 "Vax-caused brain damage has been causally linked to a diagnosis of autism in 83 children so far"
How? What's the suspected mechanism? What control groups were used to determine if there actually is a causal link as opposed to a correlative one? And don't tell me to "Google" it. You brought it up, so please explain it. If you can't, you haven't read what's written on the banner you're waving.
@Rips - Google - Nellco autism - to find the study, then read it - Is that so hard?
From the study - "This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage that include autism" & "Finding autism in compensated cases of vaccine injury is significant. U.S. govt has asserted no vaccine-autism link for a decade. This calls into question the decisions of the Omnibus Autism Proceeding in 2009-10 & the statement “HHS has never concluded that autism was caused by vaccination"
@michael0156 "This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage"
Yes, you've said that. My question is: HOW was that determined? What were the controls that differentiate the causal from the correlative? Have you read the study you're quoting; does it detail and can you comprehend the mechanism that would account for it and can you explain it to us, yes or no?
"that include autism"
So it's not 83 cases OF autism, it's 83 cases INCLUDING it. How many WERE autism, then?
@Rips - do you not understand that the VICP has compensated over 1000 kids for vaccine induced brain damage. Their cases are considered PROVED
In those cases of brain damage 83 of those kids were subsequently diagnosed with autism. In 47% of the cases there is medical evidence to support the prental report of autism diagnosis. Mary Holland is awaiting confirmation of the other 44 cases. More are being discovered
the mechanism for causing autism? The vaccines caused brain damage.
@michael0156 "do you not understand that the VICP has compensated over 1000 kids for vaccine induced brain damage"
No, I don't understand that, because you haven't YET explained to us the mechanism by which this occurs. Further, not all "brain damage" is "autism". I'd also like to see the stats on the controls here: how many cases of brain damage occur per 100,000 inoculated subjects vs 100,000 uninoculated, vs how many infections/deaths per 100,000 uninoculated subjects.
@michael0156 "the mechanism for causing autism? The vaccines caused brain damage."
HOW? Do you understand my question? Do you understand that even if 100% of people struck by cars on any given Tuesday were wearing black socks, you can't simply say "Black socks cause death by vehicular homicide"?
@Rips - Autism was diagnosed in children who were brain damaged by vaccines. This is a causal correlation that requires clinical studies. It is more evidence vaccines & autism are causally linked. It is more than enough reason to do clinical studies, not epidemiological studies of records, to determine the truth about autism & vaccines
The clinical studies will provide insight into the specific mechanisms
For now the link is proved, the mechanism of causation needs to be elucidated... get it?
@michael0156 "Autism was diagnosed in children who were brain damaged by vaccines."
You must be among them; you are absolutely not getting my question--or you're ignoring it. Read slowly, now...
WHAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH VACCINES CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE? WHAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH VACCINES WOULD CAUSE THAT BRAIN DAMAGE TO SUBSEQUENTLY CAUSE AUTISM?
"This is a causal correlation"
No, until you identify a MEANS by which the one CAUSES the other, they are merely CORRELATIVE, by definition.
@Rips - In the case of live pathogens in vaccine, encephalopathy (caused by infection of the brain or tissue around it) causes brain damge. Seizures, convulsions, autoimmune disorders are all listed on the Vaccine Injury Table because they are all proved to be caused by vaccines
I didn't create the table. If you want to criticize the injuries that are admitted to be caused by vaccines then contact the FDA CDC or HRSA
The injuries listed on the table are not correlation, but proved
I really have to spoonfeed you this stuff, don't I? WHAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VACCINES CAUSES ENCEPHALOPATHY, and here's the kicker: if vaccines are responsible for it, WHY DOESN'T IT HAPPEN TO EVERYONE VACCINATED? You still have yet to identify a means by which the vaccination SPECIFICALLY causes this IN THE CASES IT APPEARS (and why it fails to happen to everyone) and thus establish a CAUSAL, not merely CORRELATIVE, link.
@Rips You say the injuries listed on the Vaccine Injury Table aren't proved. Why do you lie when kid's health & compensation to suffering families is jeopardized?
These injuries are accepted as caused by vaccines & are AUTOMATICALLY compensated when an application is supported by medical records of the child's health, vax given & symptoms or injuries
If off-table package-insert-listed injuries occur, no compensation is due. Families must sue the govt in DC. The drug industry CAN'T be sued
@michael0156 "Why do you lie when kid's health & compensation to suffering families is jeopardized?"
Why are you lying about the strength of the evidence when the very LIVES of hundreds of thousands of children could be lost by your irresponsible panic-mongering?
"These injuries are accepted as caused by vaccines"
No, they're absolutely not, not the ones YOU mean, or people like you wouldn't be publicly ridiculed as the backward woo-peddlers you are.
PatchesRips is a shill for the drug industry. He spouts lies & insults instead of using reason & evidence
The Vaccine Injury Table is a list of injuries proven to be caused by vaccines
PatchesRips tries to paint me as anti-vax, but I am for creating safe vaccines for all & identifying those children who will be adversely affected by vaccines BEFORE we inject them, preventing injuries
W/o the proper research, called for by the late Dr Bernadine Healy, we will hurt millions more kids
@michael0156 No, unlike Michael0156, just not a nut who denies centuries of science to feel important by jumping on the latest woo-wagon.
Mikey purports vaccines "cause" brain injury; says it's "proven"; yet he cannot produce a mechanism to explain how. God? Magic pixies? Rolling seven sevens in a row? He never says. He simply insists.
He says he's for "creating safe vaccines", but the point is, he offers no causal demonstration that they aren't already. Black socks, pedestrian fatalities.
@michael0156 "W/o the proper research, called for by the late Dr Bernadine Healy, we will hurt millions more kids"
I believe you mean at MOST, "thousands" more. Or is just "83' more?
Meanwhile, while you A) drive a working vaccine out of the arsenal of our weapons to combat disease and B) stampede parents who don't understand science away from ALL vaccines with your scare-mongering, you risk KILLING millions of children around the world. That's a little more serious than the nebulous "autism".
@michael0156 You really don't have a grasp of the difference between correlation and causality... that's clear from your inability to produce a genuine causal link between vaccines and autism, and your admission there is no known mechanism yet while insisting a cause is known.
To understand the difference, and why your assertion fails, you might care to watch this: watch?v=VW1IEqKuf6s
There have been 1000 kids compensated for brain damage by the National Vaccine Injury Program. During an ongoing investigation it has been shown to be a fact that 83 of those kids were diagnosed with autism AFTER their brains were damaged by vaccines. That is a causal link. That is better proof vaccines cause some cases of autism than we have for smoking causing lung or laryngeal cancer
Rips would rather insult than refute or post evidence
@michael0156 "it has been shown to be a fact that 83 of those kids were diagnosed with autism AFTER their brains were damaged by vaccines. That is a causal link."
NO, that's CORRELATIVE. That is NOT causal. Causal means you've identified a mechanism by which the vaccine CAUSES autism (to to mention I'm dubious about the so-called "brain injuries") to begin with.
@michael0156 (cont'd) If it is possible to become autistic without a vaccine, and it is, then you MUST show how the vaccine causes it in the instances you claim. Until you do, you have correlative evidence only. And as I recall, yesterday you claimed autism was "among" the things observed in the 83 cases, not that all 83 WERE autism. So which is it?
@michael0156 "That is better proof vaccines cause some cases of autism than we have for smoking causing lung or laryngeal cancer"
So what is it? Tell me what the mechanism is. I can tell you what it is for smoking.
And frankly, given that millions of smokers have died of cancer since such studies were begun in the 1950s, and you're touting 83 cases over a handful of years, your claim is simply bullshit on the face of it. There is no possible way the evidence you're claiming could stack up.
@michael0156 "The clinical studies will provide insight into the specific mechanisms"
Oh, so in other words, such a mechanism HAS NOT been identified. Black socks cause people to be hit by cars, and the science will one day prove it. Sorry, but that's not good enough to ban black socks.
"get it?"
You've only demonstrated a correlation (black socks; people in them hit by cars), not a causal link. It isn't what you claim it to be at all, and it's no more than I said it was. Do YOU get THAT?
Vaccines are the only obvious link/correlation/association
That 83 children brain damaged by vaccines also have autism (diagnosed after vaccines damaged them) is monumental news in the vaccine autism tragedy. That shills attempt to confuse the issue rather than try to find the truth shows they are sociopathic, willing to hurt children to protect drug profits
That vaccines are linked to autism is fact. The Law Review study is evidence of causation. Questioning correlation is over
@michael0156 "Vaccines are the only obvious link/correlation/association"
How do you know? How do you know it's not a genetic factor, or exposure to a previous pathogen, or something in the breakfast cereals their mothers ate during pregnancy, or a combination of factors for which the vaccination may, or may not, be mere a contributing factory? You're simply pointing to the one thing you see on the surface and declaring ah ah, black socks cause pedestrian fatalities! You'd be a poor scientist.
Rips says autism could be caused by genes pathogens or cereal & throws a few insults in the mix
He doesn't supply any evidence any of these are to blame
Autism has risen from 3-4 per 10,000 to 100 in 10,000 kids as our vaccination schedule tripled & for-profit toxins & contaminants in them rose (like adjuvants, contamination from cheaper production methods, preservatives, # of pathogens)
Genes CAN'T cause an epidemic rise in any disease or disorderwhile vax are PROVED to cause brain damage
@michael0156 "Rips says autism could be caused by genes pathogens or cereal & throws a few insults in the mix"
No, I don't. Those were simply examples of other avenues of causality. You're claiming a godlike knowledge that they DO cause this when you can't even identify a mechanism by which they COULD. You're asking a lot of society on no causative evidence at all.
@michael0156 "Genes CAN'T cause an epidemic rise in any disease"
Okay, now I KNOW you have NO idea what you're talking about.
A) It's not an "epidemic", except in your mind.
B) Autism isn't a disease; it's a condition with extremely nebulous characteristics that tends to be diagnosed in rich First World countries that can afford to go to the wall medicating it.
C) Whooping cough IS a disease, and it KILLS children.
D) Genes DO cause diseases and disorders, and they tend to lie dormant until conditions are right for their expression. That's why far more people die of cancer now than they used to: they typically survive other things that would have killed them before, and live long enough to develop it.
@michael0156 "while vax are PROVED to cause brain damage"
How can you continue to barefaced LIE like then when you admitted on Wednesday that MORE RESEARCH WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO IDENTIFY A MECHANISM for this? Until you have, you have NO RIGHT to say it is "PROVED". Correlation is not proof. Causation is, and you've just admitted you don't have that link. Stop calling it "proven" till you do; you have no moral or scientific right to claim anything beyond "suspected".
PatchesRips denies facts. Vaccines do cause brain damage in susceptible children & adults. This is recognized by every rational person or scientist or doctor in the world but Patches denies it
Google "Vaccine Injury table" or "MMR Package Insert". Encephalopathy, seizures, ocular palsies, convulsions, neuralgia, sensorineural deafness, dozens of more injuries some proved to be caused by vaccines some simply linked by Merck's own research
Michael0156 doesn't present facts. He presents observations, correlates them, and insists they are "proven" as causal. If they were, why does he keep mumbling that "the proper research" remains to be done...?
Answer: because no causal link exists, and he has NO right frightening you by insisting ANYTHING he says is "proven".
@michael0156 "dozens of more injuries some proved to be caused by vaccines"
Again you will notice: no mechanism is offered to explain how. Being able to do so is the difference between actual science, and superstition. Will you risk your child's life on Mikey's unsubstantiated superstition, for which, by his own admission TWICE now, "proper research" remains to be done?
@michael0156 "That 83 children brain damaged by vaccines"
Purportedly.
And do you realize that a sample of 83 in a nation of, what, 320 million, is statistically insignificant? You want the world to go back to Dark Ages of battling disease with secret charms and incantations on the basis of a 1:3.85 MILLION occurrence that you yourself admitted yesterday evidences no causal link until further study? Sorry, I side with the folks who eradicated polio and smallpox, not you woo-peddlers.
@Rips - I see you are determined to ignore evidence, lie & protect drug industry profits despite the injuries vaccines are proved to cause children listed in the Vaccine Injury Table (including dozens of types of brain & immune system damage)
100s of more adverse events, warnings & precautions are admitted to be linked to vaccines BY THE DRUG INDUSTRY. But instead of investigating the damage vaccines are linked to, drug makers simply warn us in a pamphlet
@michael0156 "I see you are determined to ignore evidence"
I see you are determined not to present any. Again, you keep pointing to a correlation and insisting it's causative, and ignoring the requirement to demonstrate a mechanism.
Did you actually watch the video that explains the difference between them?
Rips now lies about the significance of the 83 kids who, after having been compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage, developed autism
1- He says 83 vax-injured autistic kids is insignificant to a population of 300 million. It's 83 kids out of 1000 who have been compensated for vax caused brain damage. The investigation is ongoing
2- He implies I am anti-vax. I am not. But to say we can't make vax safe for all or identify susceptible kids is not science, it is babble protecting drug profits
@michael0156 "Rips now lies about the significance of the 83 kids"
How is dividing 83 by 320 million a "lie"? How does it stack up against the hundreds of thousands who used to suffer the after effects of infection, including THOUSANDS of deaths annually, against 83 SUPPOSED cases of intellectual impairment over several years? Michael here wants you to go back to shoveling your kids into the grave by the thousands every year rather than RISK, supposedly, autism.
@michael0156 I wonder if anyone compared the autism rate in US citizens that never received a vaccine and the rate with previously vaccinated people. The former should be a dramatically lower occurrence and if that's the case, they can do more direct studies.
When nearly the entire population has been vaccinated, it can correlate with everything. Vaccination causes the desire to get a driver's license. Vaccination causes sexual activity. Vaccination causes autism.
@michael0156 She can make a hypothesis (educated guess), but without appropriate evidence, it is nothing more than a guess and means nothing scientifically.
Allergies have nothing to do with vaccines, and science has explained perfectly well why there is a rise in allergies. Goodness, Bill Maher needs to stick to his comedy politics and stop trying pseudo-healthcare. It makes me cringe when these TV personalities try to jab at medicine after having barely taken a high school level biology class or - at most - an introductory undergraduate biology course.
The 1986 NCVIA stopped all lawsuits against vaccine makers. Since 1988 no one can sue a vaccine maker for side effects they have warned us about in their package inserts. MMR is associated with DOZENS of neurological side effects including seizures, encephalitis & death. That info comes from Merck, who makes the MMR
Google - nellco autism - This study shows 83 kids, who were compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage, also were diagnosed with autism AFTER the injury
Look, Bill has a point larger than this vaccine rubbish - that Western medicine DOES close off debate by disparaging 'alternative medicine' with misinformation. Western medicine is largely a REACTIVE philosophy. You seek the doctor when SICK, but not when most important - when you are WELL. Eastern medicine is PROACTIVE. It doesn't seek to cure disease but minimise its prevalence. And it works. Look at Asian longevity. THAT is what Western medicine should provide us, & that's Bill's true point.
And Yes. I did abandon posting studies Mikey boy. Because I post evidence, you post VIT, inserts and opinions. And to be clear, I don't claim there aren't any side effects. I do say that Autism is NOT one of those side effects.
I am still waiting for that peer reviewed paper showing a link. You don't have one. No one else seems to have one. You know what that means? No evidence. It's all guess work and smoke and mirrors.
Vax, in part thanks to Bachmann & Perry bringing attention to them, will 1 day (soon I hope) go the way of bloodletting, lobotomies, trepanation. Bloodletting has a long history so musta been peer reviewed & scientifically proven huh? And then there was Antonio Egnaz Moniz, who won Nobel Prize in 1949 for his lobotomies. Really- modern medicine prescribing Coumadin/Warfarin rat poison has little to be proud of. What don't they understand about life being in the blood? Don't waste or pollute it!
tomme has abandoned all of his "papers" because I expose them as wrong or fraudulent
Vaccines are given at the same time that a small % of kids regress into autism. That is a coincidence which needs clinical study because of the following reasons
1- Merck's package insert claims MMR is associated with dozens of neurological injuries
2- The Vaccine Injury Table (VIT) is a list of proved vax injuries
3- Dr Healy (former NIH director) says vaccines may cause autism
Any sign of that peer reviewed paper I've been asking for for about three months now? The one that shows that vaccines cause, well, everything you claim it does.
I know. You want my "2 best studies" but like I keep saying, just pretend I have nothing. You convince me. And no more VIT, or opinions. Yes, Dr. Healy is an opinion, and no, not a qualified one for this subject. And Wakefield is just a lying scumbag.
Documents emerge proving Dr Andrew Wakefield innocent; BMJ and Brian Deer caught misrepresenting the facts. google it. Do you realize how powerful big pharma is, and how many billions it make from vaccines, which are rushed thru approval process as the FDA is in bed with it?
@litestreamer I've seen many of these documents. They all seem to lead back to the same source, Wakefield and his supporters. What about other studies that go through Wakefield's paper and list all the problems with it point by point? What's their reasoning? Paid by big pharma too?
Do you realize that vaccines make up just 4% of their profits?
How come you only question the one side, but not the other that is making the huge claim with absolutely no evidence to back it?
@litestreamer tommy605 is a drug industry shill. He is paid to push pharma propaganda here on youtube. His lies contribute to the harm & deaths our kids suffer, kids who are susceptible to the toxins or live pathogens in vaccines. They are a small %, but over the years as vaccines have increased so have the % of kids with regressive autism
tommy605 posted "evidence" I showed was fraud or supporting Dr Wakefield. He has refused to post any evidence since
Some vaccines are dead virus or protein coats manufactured in bacteria. Many vaccines contain live virus & bacteria
ALL measles, mumps, rubella, pneumonia vax contain live bacteria or virus
Google - "package insert" MMR - the list of adverse events warnings etc is over 5 pages long. If you read it you will see references to the live mumps, rubella & measles possibly causing infection in others
It is very easy to read for yourself or you can talk to any pharmacist
* Google: 'Perry's Merck link in spotlight following vaccine order
Gardasil maker hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist in Austin' the drug company, Merck, that manufactured the vaccine hired Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff, as one of the firm's top lobbyists in Austin.Merck donated $16,000 to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.Merck paid Mike Toomey, Perry's frmr chief of staff $260,000 and $535,000 in fees between 2005 and 2010, according to state lobbying records~
Who the fuck thinks there's dangers associated with vaccines? What the fuck, honestly? You learn this around age 10. Vaccine goes in, immunity comes out. Never a miscommunication.
Anyone who says otherwise is a crazy believer of pseudoscientific nonsense. Go and read a book.
@NStenO Google "Package Insert" & MMR. Merck's list of adverse events, warnings, contraindications, precautions take 5 pages
Some adverse events - encephalitis, meningitis, seizures, convulsions, immune disorders, MANY MORE!
That is just ONE vaccine
Merck says it found these effects during clinical trials, but has not done any research to prove whether or not MMR is to blame. They feel sure enough that they list them in the package insert as events associated with MMR so they can't be sued
Maher, there is a difference between a rational debate and "just asking questions" and just flat out denying it. You are clearly denying it here. Whenever any of your esteemed guests present to you a valid, logical argument, you make vague claims of the "evil, sick corporations" or how sick society is. Yes, there is greed out there, but these companies would not make any profit if they did not have effective remedies.
Merck is possibly the worst of "evil, sick corporations". People run corporations & are responsible for their crimes against humanity
Merck "created" Vioxx. They knew in 1996 it was causing death thru cardiac events in clinical trials. They lied to the FDA & NEJM to get it approved & published. They bribed doctors/scientists to lie & threatened those telling the truth (Topol, Nissen & others) & made a fake journal
Merck KILLED over 45,000 US citizens, for $11.5 billion
All Bill is doing is RAISING THE QUESTION of vaccination. He's not saying that's it's wrong or bad, he's just looking into it. The reason people are freaking out over him is because vaccination is a topic that people feel should not be touched ever. I did not have my vaccinations and I turned out fine. I'm REALLY glad that Bill Maher has the balls to question touchy things like vaccination.
I know right cause i have never worn my seat belt and i am perfectly okay... all these nuts with their seat belt laws. Also my Great Grandfather smoked and lived to be 103 (true) smoking obviously doesnt cause cancer.
The topic has been debated in the scientific community... 23 vaccination studies have been done in recent times because of nuts like you... all came back negative... yet you still ask for debate how many billions of dollars have to be spent to make you happy?
@CharlesNauck Post what you consider the best 2 of those "23 studies" that "come back negative". I will show their fraud. All were industry/govt sponsored manipulated studies of records, not children. They were DESIGNED to not find an autism/vaccine link
Here's 2 for you
04-2011 PMID 21522181 "[autism] association studies have yet to identify... major effect genes"
07-2011 PMID 21727249 "Susceptibility to ASD [autism] has MODERATE heritability & a SUBSTANTIAL... environmental component"
@abschee Except that this question has already been asked and answered to the point of tedium, it's like evolution and creationism: there is no longer any doubt in the scientific community of which side is correct. How seriously should a person be taken who questions that the earth is (virtually) spherical?
The only legitimate concern about vaccines is that we might actually be inducing rapid evolution in viruses to become more deadly in order to cope with stronger human immune systems.
When you say "we need to have a debate about this," what you're actually saying is "I don't have any arguments, but I feel like the consensus on the issue is wrong."
Baldwin hit the nail on the head, and Maher's blank stare completely demonstrates my point. I'm a fan of Maher, but not on this issue. He's adding more fuel to the "vaccines cause autism" fire, which was a viewpoint that was dead on arrival in terms of scientific validity.
@ShikaNinja The science has PROVED vaccines are unsafe & always have been for a small % of kids. Since 1988 when vaccine makers were shielded from lawsuits by our congress the % of kids reacting to vaccines has risen in lock step with the rising mandatory vaccine schedule. The USA has the highest vaccination rate of any country & the highest infant/child mortality of 1st world nations
Vaccine Injury Table shows ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p:// ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
@michael0156 " the % of kids reacting to vaccines has risen . . ." I would like to see your source for that claim and this claim "The USA has the highest vaccination. . ." No one has ever said that any medical intervention carries no risk. You said "a small %" true, but that is not enough to justify claiming it has been PROVEN unsafe. Also look into causation equals correlation fallacy. You employed that fallacy in your last sentence. The Table doesn't show prevalence so that makes it moot.
@ShikaNinja You use industry lines & lies against a truthful post
If a child or adult presents with injuries according to the guidelines in the Vaccine Injury Table they are AUTOMATICALLY compensated. Those injuries are PROVED
That you would dare attempt to cloud those facts marks you as a conflicted party or unable to think logically
My last sentence correlates rising vax & child/infant mortality. You fraudulently imply I said it is a causal relationship. Try again, use some facts this time
@michael0156 " . . . lies against a truthful post" I do believe I just asked for your sources. I didn't think that was lying
The Table doesn't show prevalence. I agreed that all medical interventions have risks, but that doesn't mean they are PROVEN unsafe, unless you can show how frequent those risks arise.
I haven't personally attacked you, so let's try to keep this civil. And yes, that is a causation/correlation fallacy, but that wasn't a major point, so let's just move on.
The Vaccine Injury Table is THE SOURCE to see injuries vaccines are PROVED to cause. Anyone who meets the criteria on these "table" injuries is AUTOMATICALLY compensated
Merck's MMR package insert shows 5 pages of adverse events warnings & precautions MERCK admits is associated. Merck claims everything is proved caused by MMR except the side effects, which are just linked. NO ONE investigates the linked injuries for causation, but Merck warns us they may happen
From Merck to 'Wyeth to Glaxo... all vaccine makers have contended in court that "vaccines are unavoidably unsafe" or "vaccines have side effects that are unavoidable"
Miggy says she will "look into it" about vax induced brain injuries. She implies the links I have shown to studies & positions accepted by the CDC/FDA/HRSA & various courts are "deceptive reports". She never refutes evidence I post, just says it's deceptive. Her lack of a science-based argument or evidence speaks volumes
Someone here fails to see the difference between medicine practised as a money-making way and actually advanced medicine.. Bill should face it that he's an entertainer and not a medical man. Though as a healthcare professional myself I agree with the statements that quite a lot of afflictions (though not really a virus infection) can be prevented or eased off with.. well.. prevention. However, a vaccine *is* a preventative method. The saddest thing is the halt in developments of new vaccines.
@grauekatze We are not talking about how medicine is practiced. Most doctors are honorable men & women interested in helping their patients. Most "doctors" & "researchers" working for the drug industry have abandoned principles & human compassion
Drug CEOs & boards are interested in profit 1st, not health. If you claim to not understand or believe that you have no business commenting
Vaccine Injury Table - ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p:// ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
I've never claimed that. I *know* that it is often so. I have even gotten university lecture by people from the insurance industry on how to extract the most money from my patients. It sickens me. However, you are still confusing two things: the problem between how very badly many of my collegues do their job and how advanced the field of medicine actually is. And so is Maher. If you still think I've no business on commenting, thats ok. I've no emotional investment.
@grauekatze I see you try to argue from authority w/o producing evidence. I have made simple statements of fact. Bill Maher is correct when he says vax need to be studied. To think logically you don't need to be an alleged expert
The truth is vaccines cause brain damage in a subset of kids, that is admitted. There are novel GMO contaminants in vax since the 1980s. With more vax & toxins a larger % of kids & adults react
We need to find those sensitive BEFORE injection & remove contaminants
@grauekatze since you want to rely on "expertise" - Dr Bernadine Healy in a 2008 CBS interview "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"... INEXCUSABLE
Powerful words from Dr Healy whose opinion is expert & relevant. She is a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of Cleveland Clinic Research Institute. Do you know morethan she does?
VIT shows ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p://ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
when are we gonna have preventative medicine in this country!! western medicine in general is such drug-driven industry, we r better for the economy and the big businesses if we remain sick and dependent on drugs!
"This is not settled science". What isnt' settled science, Bill? Vaccinations? They have stopped several pandemics from evolving since they were introduced.
I agree with Bill when he says the science should be questioned and there should be a debate about their effectiveness; but not to the point of doubting that they even work! I also agree about his point that some of them contain mercury, which should be looked at. But I'm afraid he will actually scare people away from vaccines.
shut the fuck up Bill! Go ask a scientist for an explanation before you open your mouth. Your questions and the fact you are asking questions are fine. Thing is, there were already explanations for this stuff when you went on this campaign. That's why you got your ass reamed
It's not on me to judge you. If you survive SV40, It will fall on your children to forgive whatever you've given them. Be sheep, everyone respects a herd mentality in their parents...
As for all u "vacs are good, shame on Bill for asking the? I should have asked". I think It's just guilt. You let someone inject your child without bothering to find out what with or why. Time to own that. They come up for boosters. You can either keep fighting the educated or come up with real answers why you support a vaccination schedule that the CDC will admit has not been tested. Sure they have data on individual vacs, but none on our current increased schedule. B guilty again or help...
Google fertility swine flu package product insert. Click on the FDA.GOV link. It's 9 down and it say's package inserts. Scroll to page 13, chapter 13.1 (that's right halfway through a package insert full of irrelevant charts and BS) Find the statement explaining that it is has not been tested as a mutagen, carcinogen, or threat to fertility.Then ask yourself why they would make that statement. It also hasn't been tested against a variety of other ailments.Plausible deny-ability =Legal exemption
The problem is that vaccinations are a much more settled scientific issue than anthropogenic global warming. Maher is just flat wrong on this one, and badly so.
@MrMZaccone The H1N1 vaccine wasn't even tested, but rather compared to another vaccine that is made the same way. Google H1N1 vaccine package insert and look at section 14 to see for yourself.
Healthcare in this country is fear-based and lies are told everyday for the sake of profits. What he suggests is that we open these topics for discussion. How is that wrong?
@gagz54 I agree with much of what you've said and am not fond of the medical profession and how they do things HOWEVER, Maher has done much more than simply suggest that these topics be open for discussion. Check other videos for the rest of his behavior and you'll find that he has made claims that are outrageous and pure fear-mongering of its own kind.
I agree with him, although I think there a special circumstances where modern medicine is needed. Protecting babies who are at high risk of getting X. The elderly who have a whole host of illnesses. But health is always the best medicine getting drugs when you're healthy in-case you get sick is crazy. People just need to read up on the drug they're taking, if the risks outweigh the rewards. Don't take it. Because as much as we hate to admit it this world is money.
The guy on the right is making up so much anecdotal bull about swine flu it amazes me there are still people prepared to do this to keep their job. I don't know anyone who trusts any medic on swine flu, it's like some religious bollocks, where is the science in medicine at, middle ages
Bill seems to forget that countries who use other types of healthcaresystems where there is less "profitmotive" also use the same western medication. He also seems to forget how many poeple would actually die without medical treatment.
@Nydracommander The major pharmaceutical companies are global. Which means that their medicine appears in every country. Regardless of the health care systems. Unless a certain drug is banned. That's why your headache is treated by Panadol, Heron, Advil in all these different countries. The only difference is how much they can charge in each country, it's the same drugs. The differences between Public and Private hospitals.
@ActuallyLiam i treat headache with labelless paracetamol, i've never even seen an advil, because it's a US product.
My point is that non-profit orientated health systems would not implement vaccins if they weren't necessary. Why would a goverment in such a system use healthcare funds to buy these vaccins if they didn't work?
@Nydracommander We must look at the overall theory behind a vaccine. It is the heard principle. If you vaccinate 100% you may lose 5% from complications but you still have 95%. That sounds great if your looking at a large group, but what if you were in that 5%?
As for the theory that "the govt. buys them so they work", REALLY? We spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country while our healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world. Someone must be doing something wrong.
@gagz54 the problem with your argument is that you don't lose 5% due to complications. there are no complications, thats the whole point. The only time you can get complications is if you accidentally give a live virus vaccin to an immuno compromised patient. vaccins are extremely safe, get over it. My stance on goverments was about countries with social healthcare. Budgets are tight so why waste money on vaccins if they don't work? the US does not have social healthcare
i see where Mahers coming from and i half agree with him. Western medicine likes to say that we can solve all illness' with a shot and a pill when exercise and a good diet could have prevented people from getting a huge majority of the afflictions that they get. Of course we need medicine for certain things and certain people but western medicine is so closed off about PREVENTATIVE measures its silly.
@FinalHeresy And when did doctors start saying that we shouldn't exercise or eat well? Tell someone with lymphoma to go for a run and eat their leafy greens.
@SgtSpankey Doctors don't say it at all because it isn't there job too. Western medicine is good at what it does which is to get rid off illness' you already have but it does very little, if anything in a preventative sense.
@FinalHeresy I don't know of a single doctor that doesn't recommend a balanced diet, even if yours don't pretty much every government in the world promotes a healthy lifestyle. I hate this use of "western medicine" too, what's the alternative? Why is it "western"? There are many countries that have doctors who practice peer-reviewed medicine if that's a better term, not just in "the west".
@SgtSpankey And maybe i should state what i said in my original comment in a new way, Its not so much closed off as it its simply not its business to prevent all of your ailments anyway. You get vaccinated for the biggest and most common things we can prevent but otherwise you go to the doctors only when your sick, to get better. Again its not a docotrs job to tell you how to live your life although he/she can recommend things, sure.
@SgtSpankey I would also disagree with your assumption that all of these countries promote healthy lifestyles. The united states certainly doesn't, even if we say we do our actions say otherwise. As bill said himself once, "Theres no money in healthy people and theres no money in dead people." We need people to keep getting sick for the medical and pharmaceutical industries to make a profit.
Hahahahh ATLEAST IM NOT FUCKING MY INTERNS LOOOOL
IF LOOKS COULD KILL THAT GUY IN THE MIDD IS SOOO PISSED OFF TOO FUNNY.
hslot4 6 days ago
I wonder what debate he is talking about? The Socratic Method style where observation is unnecessary like how Socrates said men must have more teeth than women because they're bigger, but never bothered to check? Or, the scientific method with peer reviewed results and observable results and the dramatic decrease of incidence of those diseases vaccines are said to cure? The second one has been done and is always being done. The Socratic Method is BS and why we had no progress for so long.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
It is my understanding that the "odd" things in vaccines are designed to get your body to react in such ways that the vaccine can optimally do its job.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
"The science is not settled." That's what is great about science. It is never settled. Any time there is evidence against any theory or accepted scientific fact, it can change everything. That's why science works so well, there is no dogma.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
How does he think smallpox has been virtually annihilated? Was it clearly not swift vaccination attempts spearheaded by Western medicine? To all of the anti-vaccine champions, whether you like it or not, viruses kill people and smallpox claimed the lives of roughly half a billion people. So this begs the question: should humans do nothing and allow pathogens to ravage entire populations, or do we fight them with intellectual weaponry like we did with smallpox?
Darwinianmedicine 3 weeks ago 3
Of course there is conspiracy to deny autism & vaccines are linked. Does it involve the entire govt? No-just certain officials
Bribing govt is nothing new to corporations
BP used cocaine & prostitutes to circumvent regs
Abramoff, sports tickets & contributions for financial regs
Searle CEO Donald Rumsfeld got Hayes to head the FDA in 1981 to approve Aspartame after 10 years of health related disapprovals
CDC head Julie Gerberding pushed Gardasil, now she's Merck's Vaccine Division President
michael0156 4 weeks ago
2008 CBS News Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"
The FDA/CDC are not funding clinical studies about a vaccine/autism link or tying to find out what causes autism. Genes can pre-dispose, but environmental triggers are needed
Julie Gerberding a corrupted former CDC head (2003-2009) defended vaccines, pushed Merck's Gardasil & mandatory flu vaccine
In 2010 she was made president of Merck's Vaccine division
michael0156 4 weeks ago
Kryz doesn't address any info I post & resorts to personal attacks against people I reference. Kryz is a person w/o intellectual ammo or evidence, otherwise he/she would post proof vaccines are not linked to autism
Certainly Kryz would not deny the evidence that Merck, large vaccine maker, found during their clinical trials of MMR
Search- "MMR package Insert" -Merck found the MMR vaccine is linked to dozens of neurological & autoimmune injuries. 5 pages worth in the package insert
michael0156 4 weeks ago
For all of you unfortunate ignoramuses that comment on this video: Vaccines do not cause autism. If you do the research and still think that it does, then you are insane and your youtube commenting privileges should be revoked.
ManDudeYeah 1 month ago
@ManDudeYeah Hey, they're not insane; they just don't have a good grasp of logic and/or don't understand how "science is done" in general. Most people, by far, think that multiple anecdotes are enough to prove something. They don't know how to think/reason properly (often because they've never been taught to), but that doesn't make them insane.
BenkaiDebussy 1 month ago
Bill Maher is in good company saying vaccines need more study. Drs Dave Weldon, Edward Yazbak, Bernadine Healy all agree... 100s of others brave enough & secure enough to stand up to the drug industry. Money is used to push their agenda of profit, not patient safety or effective/needed medical treatments or vaccinations... just making money
Vioxx, pargluva, fosamax, aspartame, neurontin & 100s of other drugs & FDA approved products whose approval is bought & use is manipulated & fraudulent
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 But there have already been studies disproving the major claims made by anti-vaccination advocates. Someone being a doctor doesn't make what they say any more valid; most doctors aren't scientists. While it's reasonable to doubt studies directly funded by pharmaceutical companies, assuming all studies you disagree with are manipulated is crazy and paranoid.
Your comparisons make no sense; vaccines aren't patented by "big pharma," and, most importantly, they aren't even profitable.
BenkaiDebussy 1 month ago
Pontecaris & videopro hurl baseless insults, deceptions & lies. Science is absent from their arguments
They avoid scientific discussion because they know vaccines are harmful to a small % of children & adults. They know as vaccine schedules increase more kids' immune systems are disrupted
Merck scientists admit in the package insert MMR is linked to 2 autoimmune diseases, arthritis & diabetes. Merck states it's not proved MMR is the cause, but is not investigating the evidence they found
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 The fact that you're too lazy to actually look up the multitude of scientific studies that have been done regarding safety of the MMR vaccine doesn't mean that they don't exist. Google scholar yields multiple studies showing no causation between the vaccine and arthritis or diabetes. You don't need people to spoon-feed them to you in youtube comments. The studies showing a potential link were followed up by others that failed to find a causal relationship; that's how science works.
BenkaiDebussy 1 month ago
@KryzMasta
Dr Bernadine Healy, Dr Dave Weldon. Dr Edward Yazbak & MANY more all agree with Bill Maher about vaccines needing to be made safer & studied further
Vax are PROVED to cause serious injury in some kids & adults
As we increase the # of vax & drug companies cut corners (using adjuvants, making antigen in gene altered bacteria), they also increase toxins, immune reactive substances & prolong/intensify infant immune reactions
That is profit driven medicine, not science or safety based
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 Unfortunately for you, some people reading your post know enough immunology to call you on your BS. At least one has also had the added experience of attending a translational reasearch conference on the 'hurdles of vaccine design' (a subsection being focused on the copious FDA saftey and efficacy requirements).
My interpretation, the only reason you are so confident in your postings is that you have no idea what the words you are using mean...
videorprologic 1 month ago
@videorprologic ~Mikey is a gross troll with many sock acounts. He has no clue.
pontecanis 1 month ago
@pontecanis Which other accounts?
dankegel 1 month ago
@dankegel DrOprahVonPenishat ,sweetmikser,mykoolaidetastesfunny, and mikenumberone1--they all contain the same nonsense,distain for science, and phony appeals to authority and ad populum fallacies.
pontecanis 1 month ago
@pontecanis Thanks. Found the first three, they do seem similar, but couldn't find anything by mikenumberone1. Got a link or title?
dankegel 1 month ago
@michael0156 Bernadine Healy responded to an Insititute of Medicine finding by saying that there is probably a government consipracy against research on vaccinations. Dave Weldon said that Terry Schiavo "responds to vocal stimuli and [...] attempts to kiss her father".
Suggestion: try to look for more reliable sources of information. Plus, a medical doctor is NOT a scientist. In scientific terms, he's a technician. When I read about vaccins being bad in Nature, I'll be interested.
KryzMasta 1 month ago
@michael0156 "Vax are PROVED to cause serious injury in some kids & adults"
What injuries? What's the mechanism -- by which I mean, how does the vaccination cause whatever injury is ascribed to it? You say "proved"... what is that proof?
"That is profit driven medicine"
And all these "studies" you're proposing to make vaccines these same people are declaring injurious "safer"--that's not? Excuse me; I beg to differ.
PatchesRips 2 weeks ago
Two things: 1) Debate? On whether the science works? With whom? Politicians? Town hall people? What do they know about science? Scientists? What do YOU know about science, Bill?
2) "I had all the vaccins. [...] So I had horrible allergies as a kid. Was it because I was vaccinated? I don't know."
Typical Glenn Beck type of reasoning: "Is Obama a nazi? I don't know! I'm just asking the question!" No, you're implying, while you don't know a thing about it. Don't speculate, educate yourself!
KryzMasta 1 month ago 2
@KryzMasta Thank you! Well said! I agree with 99.99% of what Bill ever says, but this is that .01% in which i disagree. He sounds like he's dipping his toes into more of a conspiracy theory than real fact.
ManDudeYeah 1 month ago
I used to love BM, then I hear this crazy stuff from his mouth - I can't trust him anymore. The science is settled even in 2009.
richthornley 1 month ago
@richthornley The science is settled? Prove it!
In a 2008 CBS News interview Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
The late Dr Healy was a former NIH director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Cleveland Clinic's Chair of The Research Institute. Do you know more than she?
Google- "Vaccine Injury Table" or "MMR Package Insert" -You will find DOZENS of neurological injuries (& MORE) caused by or linked to vaccines
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 Was what Dr. Bernadine anything more than just a hypothesis or did he have evidence to support his claim? Without evidence, it doesn't mean much.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
"The science is not settled." Now where have I heard that one before? Of course the science isn't "settled" Bill. Science doesn't work that way, and as a critic of intelligent design and other pseudosciences you should know that already. I have no idea why you toss out your normally critical and rational approach to concepts when it comes to health and medical treatment but you need to rethink this approach very soon before you sink to Sarah Palin-levels of credibility as a commentator.
icemachine79 1 month ago
@icemachine79 Bill Maher is correct when eh calls for proper investigation of the problems with vaccinations
In a 2008 CBS interview the late Dr Bernadine Healy said "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable that we have not done the proper research"
Dr Healy is as mainstream as anyone can get. A former NIH Director, Professor of Medicine at Johns Hopkins, Chair of the Cleveland Clinic's Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant
Let's do the proper clinical studies
michael0156 1 month ago
Google- Vaccine Injury Table -Dozens of injuries that are proved to be caused by vaccines. The HRSA is so sure vaccines caused these injuries they automatically compensate children who apply for compensation if they have supporting medical records
Google- MMR package insert - Merck admits MMR has 100s of side-effects warnings & precautions linked to it
Google- nellco autism - Peer reviewed law study of 1000 kids who were paid for vaccine-caused brain damages. 83 were diagnosed with autism
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 Google "confirmation bias" and "true believer syndrome". I think you'll find them both very enlightening about your views on vaccines.
icemachine79 1 month ago
@icemachine79 Your view, supporting the protection of drug industry profits, denies the scientific evidence we have showing vaccines cause neurological damage to a significant # of children. Vaccines are also proved to cause autoimmune disease (& more) in both animals & humans
Since 1988 mandatory vaccinations have tripled & autism has increased from 3-4 in 10,000 kids to 100 in 10,000
My "views" are based on the facts from The Vaccine Injury Table & Merck's MMR package insert
Stop shilling
michael0156 1 month ago
@michael0156 Well, in my opinion handheld gaming lead to the increase in Autism. After all, it didn't even exist in 1988 and became more common over time. (Correlation does not mean causation; just because two things happen at the same time doesn't mean that one caused the other.)
BenkaiDebussy 1 month ago
Maher fails
duracell777 2 months ago
Google- Vaccine Injury Table - this is a list of vaccine injuries that are proved. Kids who have these injuries are automatically compensated by the VICP. Any other injury vaccines cause must be litigated in court & only in Washington DC
Google- MMR Package Insert - 100s of injuries, warnings, precautions for just 1 vaccine. Merck says MMR may cause these injuries in our kids, but its not proved. When they warn us, we can't sue them
Drug companies don't pay a dime to the VICP
Repeal the NCVIA
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Drug companies don't pay a dime to the VICP"
They don't pay a dime to the Centers for Disease Control or Britain's National Health Services, either, which have independently reviewed the evidence from thousands of studies, pro and con, and say no causal link is demonstrated.
If it were, Mikey ought to be able to tell us what that mechanism is. Despite repeated requests to do so, he has not.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
So he's against evidence-based medicine, but he attacks creationists (who are also crazy).
uriituw 2 months ago
@uriituw Medicine has side-effects that are in some cases completely unaccounted for. The basic point he's making is that not everything has to be medicated excessively, and a lot of diseases can be avoided by living healthily.
VexonCross 2 months ago
@VexonCross Yeah, heart disease, high blood pressure, stroke, lung cancer, sure. But jogging, eating an apple, and not smoking never kept anyone from getting smallpox. Use the right measure for the right disease.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Exactly. Though I would think those that can be avoided generally are the more serious ones, varieties of cancer excluded. If you start medicating everything, though, chances are you'll get sicker, not better. It's good to let your own body fight off the smaller infections and diseases than overly medicate yourself to the point you're screwed when some new, powerful virus comes along.
VexonCross 2 months ago
@VexonCross With respect, I don't think you understand how the immune system works. It's not like exercise. Your immune system was born knowing what to do in case of an infection. What it needs is the specific instructions on the infecting agent in order to know how to combat it. You could have 50 "smaller" infections, and they won't do a thing to help you fight off the specific virus that causes polio if it comes along. But a polio vaccination will. Likewise each "smaller" infection itself.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@PatchesRips Most people did not get diagnosable smallpox, their immune systems handled the infection w/o any observable symptoms
Immune impairments make a disease deadly or pernicious. Our immune systems are affected by nutrition, sanitation, genes, toxins, radiation... we have 100s of new drugs (toxins with side effects) "designed" to disable parts of our immune system (enbrel, humira, remicade, singulair, etc)
Proper nutrition & exercise are our best defense, ALWAYS
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Most people did not get diagnosable smallpox, their immune systems handled the infection w/o any observable symptoms"
That is utter bullshit, and the worst irresponsible kind. People died in their tens of millions across history of smallpox; the young and the old, the rich and poor. It didn't matter what they ate, or how they prayed, or what magic talisman they carried in their pockets or around their necks. When they stopped was precisely when they began vaccinating for it.
PatchesRips 2 months ago 2
@michael0156 But let's take a finer example: rabies. If it's just a matter of juicing up on the right veggies, why was rabies essentially UNIVERSALLY fatal until the advent of a vaccine? Why is it STILL universally fatal to this day, even among people like yourself, without the vaccine?
"Proper nutrition & exercise are our best defense, ALWAYS"
Wrong. Science and hundreds of years of medical experience are our best defense, ALWAYS; not New Age holistic mystic crystal woo.
PatchesRips 2 months ago 2
@uriituw Bill Maher is not against science, he is for doing the proper inquiries into vaccinations
2008 CBS News interview- The late Dr Bernadine Healy stated "Vaccines may cause autism" and "It/'s inexcusable that the proper research has not been done"
Dr Healy was a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of Cleveland Clinic's Research Institute. Her opinion is expert & relevant. Bill Maher & Dr Andrew Wakefield say the same as Dr Healy, let's do the PROPER research
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 Where's the evidence that it causes autism?
AFAIK, this goes well against the rest of the scientific community.
uriituw 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Vaccines may cause autism"
How would exposure to a dead or weakened strain of a disease not known to cause autism, throughout its long history of scourging mankind, cause autism?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips
Autism is a neurological based developmental disorder diagnosed by psychiatrists.
Google- Vaccine Injury Table - (VIT) Dozens of types of brain & immune injury (and more) are admitted to be caused by vaccines. We use the VIT to automatically compensate children who present medical records supporting the timeframe and symptoms described in these "table injuries"
Vax-caused brain damage has been causally linked to a diagnosis of autism in 83 children so far (Google- Nellco autism)
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Vax-caused brain damage has been causally linked to a diagnosis of autism in 83 children so far"
How? What's the suspected mechanism? What control groups were used to determine if there actually is a causal link as opposed to a correlative one? And don't tell me to "Google" it. You brought it up, so please explain it. If you can't, you haven't read what's written on the banner you're waving.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips - Google - Nellco autism - to find the study, then read it - Is that so hard?
From the study - "This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage that include autism" & "Finding autism in compensated cases of vaccine injury is significant. U.S. govt has asserted no vaccine-autism link for a decade. This calls into question the decisions of the Omnibus Autism Proceeding in 2009-10 & the statement “HHS has never concluded that autism was caused by vaccination"
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage"
Yes, you've said that. My question is: HOW was that determined? What were the controls that differentiate the causal from the correlative? Have you read the study you're quoting; does it detail and can you comprehend the mechanism that would account for it and can you explain it to us, yes or no?
"that include autism"
So it's not 83 cases OF autism, it's 83 cases INCLUDING it. How many WERE autism, then?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips - do you not understand that the VICP has compensated over 1000 kids for vaccine induced brain damage. Their cases are considered PROVED
In those cases of brain damage 83 of those kids were subsequently diagnosed with autism. In 47% of the cases there is medical evidence to support the prental report of autism diagnosis. Mary Holland is awaiting confirmation of the other 44 cases. More are being discovered
the mechanism for causing autism? The vaccines caused brain damage.
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "do you not understand that the VICP has compensated over 1000 kids for vaccine induced brain damage"
No, I don't understand that, because you haven't YET explained to us the mechanism by which this occurs. Further, not all "brain damage" is "autism". I'd also like to see the stats on the controls here: how many cases of brain damage occur per 100,000 inoculated subjects vs 100,000 uninoculated, vs how many infections/deaths per 100,000 uninoculated subjects.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "the mechanism for causing autism? The vaccines caused brain damage."
HOW? Do you understand my question? Do you understand that even if 100% of people struck by cars on any given Tuesday were wearing black socks, you can't simply say "Black socks cause death by vehicular homicide"?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips - Autism was diagnosed in children who were brain damaged by vaccines. This is a causal correlation that requires clinical studies. It is more evidence vaccines & autism are causally linked. It is more than enough reason to do clinical studies, not epidemiological studies of records, to determine the truth about autism & vaccines
The clinical studies will provide insight into the specific mechanisms
For now the link is proved, the mechanism of causation needs to be elucidated... get it?
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Autism was diagnosed in children who were brain damaged by vaccines."
You must be among them; you are absolutely not getting my question--or you're ignoring it. Read slowly, now...
WHAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH VACCINES CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE? WHAT IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH VACCINES WOULD CAUSE THAT BRAIN DAMAGE TO SUBSEQUENTLY CAUSE AUTISM?
"This is a causal correlation"
No, until you identify a MEANS by which the one CAUSES the other, they are merely CORRELATIVE, by definition.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips - In the case of live pathogens in vaccine, encephalopathy (caused by infection of the brain or tissue around it) causes brain damge. Seizures, convulsions, autoimmune disorders are all listed on the Vaccine Injury Table because they are all proved to be caused by vaccines
I didn't create the table. If you want to criticize the injuries that are admitted to be caused by vaccines then contact the FDA CDC or HRSA
The injuries listed on the table are not correlation, but proved
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "encephalopathy causes brain damge"
I really have to spoonfeed you this stuff, don't I? WHAT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VACCINES CAUSES ENCEPHALOPATHY, and here's the kicker: if vaccines are responsible for it, WHY DOESN'T IT HAPPEN TO EVERYONE VACCINATED? You still have yet to identify a means by which the vaccination SPECIFICALLY causes this IN THE CASES IT APPEARS (and why it fails to happen to everyone) and thus establish a CAUSAL, not merely CORRELATIVE, link.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "The injuries listed on the table are not correlation, but proved"
No, they're emphatically not. Not the way you've laid it out.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips You say the injuries listed on the Vaccine Injury Table aren't proved. Why do you lie when kid's health & compensation to suffering families is jeopardized?
These injuries are accepted as caused by vaccines & are AUTOMATICALLY compensated when an application is supported by medical records of the child's health, vax given & symptoms or injuries
If off-table package-insert-listed injuries occur, no compensation is due. Families must sue the govt in DC. The drug industry CAN'T be sued
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Why do you lie when kid's health & compensation to suffering families is jeopardized?"
Why are you lying about the strength of the evidence when the very LIVES of hundreds of thousands of children could be lost by your irresponsible panic-mongering?
"These injuries are accepted as caused by vaccines"
No, they're absolutely not, not the ones YOU mean, or people like you wouldn't be publicly ridiculed as the backward woo-peddlers you are.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
PatchesRips is a shill for the drug industry. He spouts lies & insults instead of using reason & evidence
The Vaccine Injury Table is a list of injuries proven to be caused by vaccines
PatchesRips tries to paint me as anti-vax, but I am for creating safe vaccines for all & identifying those children who will be adversely affected by vaccines BEFORE we inject them, preventing injuries
W/o the proper research, called for by the late Dr Bernadine Healy, we will hurt millions more kids
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 No, unlike Michael0156, just not a nut who denies centuries of science to feel important by jumping on the latest woo-wagon.
Mikey purports vaccines "cause" brain injury; says it's "proven"; yet he cannot produce a mechanism to explain how. God? Magic pixies? Rolling seven sevens in a row? He never says. He simply insists.
He says he's for "creating safe vaccines", but the point is, he offers no causal demonstration that they aren't already. Black socks, pedestrian fatalities.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "W/o the proper research, called for by the late Dr Bernadine Healy, we will hurt millions more kids"
I believe you mean at MOST, "thousands" more. Or is just "83' more?
Meanwhile, while you A) drive a working vaccine out of the arsenal of our weapons to combat disease and B) stampede parents who don't understand science away from ALL vaccines with your scare-mongering, you risk KILLING millions of children around the world. That's a little more serious than the nebulous "autism".
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 You really don't have a grasp of the difference between correlation and causality... that's clear from your inability to produce a genuine causal link between vaccines and autism, and your admission there is no known mechanism yet while insisting a cause is known.
To understand the difference, and why your assertion fails, you might care to watch this: watch?v=VW1IEqKuf6s
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips- More insults. Why do you do that?
There have been 1000 kids compensated for brain damage by the National Vaccine Injury Program. During an ongoing investigation it has been shown to be a fact that 83 of those kids were diagnosed with autism AFTER their brains were damaged by vaccines. That is a causal link. That is better proof vaccines cause some cases of autism than we have for smoking causing lung or laryngeal cancer
Rips would rather insult than refute or post evidence
michael0156 2 months ago
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@michael0156 "it has been shown to be a fact that 83 of those kids were diagnosed with autism AFTER their brains were damaged by vaccines. That is a causal link."
NO, that's CORRELATIVE. That is NOT causal. Causal means you've identified a mechanism by which the vaccine CAUSES autism (to to mention I'm dubious about the so-called "brain injuries") to begin with.
(cont'd)
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 (cont'd) If it is possible to become autistic without a vaccine, and it is, then you MUST show how the vaccine causes it in the instances you claim. Until you do, you have correlative evidence only. And as I recall, yesterday you claimed autism was "among" the things observed in the 83 cases, not that all 83 WERE autism. So which is it?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "That is better proof vaccines cause some cases of autism than we have for smoking causing lung or laryngeal cancer"
So what is it? Tell me what the mechanism is. I can tell you what it is for smoking.
And frankly, given that millions of smokers have died of cancer since such studies were begun in the 1950s, and you're touting 83 cases over a handful of years, your claim is simply bullshit on the face of it. There is no possible way the evidence you're claiming could stack up.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 Court cases can be used as scientific evidence now?
eurohim 2 weeks ago
@michael0156 Is it a specific vaccine that is said to cause issues? A specific ingredient?
eurohim 2 weeks ago
@michael0156 "The clinical studies will provide insight into the specific mechanisms"
Oh, so in other words, such a mechanism HAS NOT been identified. Black socks cause people to be hit by cars, and the science will one day prove it. Sorry, but that's not good enough to ban black socks.
"get it?"
You've only demonstrated a correlation (black socks; people in them hit by cars), not a causal link. It isn't what you claim it to be at all, and it's no more than I said it was. Do YOU get THAT?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
Vaccines are the only obvious link/correlation/association
That 83 children brain damaged by vaccines also have autism (diagnosed after vaccines damaged them) is monumental news in the vaccine autism tragedy. That shills attempt to confuse the issue rather than try to find the truth shows they are sociopathic, willing to hurt children to protect drug profits
That vaccines are linked to autism is fact. The Law Review study is evidence of causation. Questioning correlation is over
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Vaccines are the only obvious link/correlation/association"
How do you know? How do you know it's not a genetic factor, or exposure to a previous pathogen, or something in the breakfast cereals their mothers ate during pregnancy, or a combination of factors for which the vaccination may, or may not, be mere a contributing factory? You're simply pointing to the one thing you see on the surface and declaring ah ah, black socks cause pedestrian fatalities! You'd be a poor scientist.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
Rips says autism could be caused by genes pathogens or cereal & throws a few insults in the mix
He doesn't supply any evidence any of these are to blame
Autism has risen from 3-4 per 10,000 to 100 in 10,000 kids as our vaccination schedule tripled & for-profit toxins & contaminants in them rose (like adjuvants, contamination from cheaper production methods, preservatives, # of pathogens)
Genes CAN'T cause an epidemic rise in any disease or disorderwhile vax are PROVED to cause brain damage
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Rips says autism could be caused by genes pathogens or cereal & throws a few insults in the mix"
No, I don't. Those were simply examples of other avenues of causality. You're claiming a godlike knowledge that they DO cause this when you can't even identify a mechanism by which they COULD. You're asking a lot of society on no causative evidence at all.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
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@michael0156 "Genes CAN'T cause an epidemic rise in any disease"
Okay, now I KNOW you have NO idea what you're talking about.
A) It's not an "epidemic", except in your mind.
B) Autism isn't a disease; it's a condition with extremely nebulous characteristics that tends to be diagnosed in rich First World countries that can afford to go to the wall medicating it.
C) Whooping cough IS a disease, and it KILLS children.
(cont'd)
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 (cont'd)
D) Genes DO cause diseases and disorders, and they tend to lie dormant until conditions are right for their expression. That's why far more people die of cancer now than they used to: they typically survive other things that would have killed them before, and live long enough to develop it.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "while vax are PROVED to cause brain damage"
How can you continue to barefaced LIE like then when you admitted on Wednesday that MORE RESEARCH WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO IDENTIFY A MECHANISM for this? Until you have, you have NO RIGHT to say it is "PROVED". Correlation is not proof. Causation is, and you've just admitted you don't have that link. Stop calling it "proven" till you do; you have no moral or scientific right to claim anything beyond "suspected".
PatchesRips 2 months ago
PatchesRips denies facts. Vaccines do cause brain damage in susceptible children & adults. This is recognized by every rational person or scientist or doctor in the world but Patches denies it
Google "Vaccine Injury table" or "MMR Package Insert". Encephalopathy, seizures, ocular palsies, convulsions, neuralgia, sensorineural deafness, dozens of more injuries some proved to be caused by vaccines some simply linked by Merck's own research
Merck warns us, but won't try to make MMR safe
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "PatchesRips denies facts"
Michael0156 doesn't present facts. He presents observations, correlates them, and insists they are "proven" as causal. If they were, why does he keep mumbling that "the proper research" remains to be done...?
Answer: because no causal link exists, and he has NO right frightening you by insisting ANYTHING he says is "proven".
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "dozens of more injuries some proved to be caused by vaccines"
Again you will notice: no mechanism is offered to explain how. Being able to do so is the difference between actual science, and superstition. Will you risk your child's life on Mikey's unsubstantiated superstition, for which, by his own admission TWICE now, "proper research" remains to be done?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 "That 83 children brain damaged by vaccines"
Purportedly.
And do you realize that a sample of 83 in a nation of, what, 320 million, is statistically insignificant? You want the world to go back to Dark Ages of battling disease with secret charms and incantations on the basis of a 1:3.85 MILLION occurrence that you yourself admitted yesterday evidences no causal link until further study? Sorry, I side with the folks who eradicated polio and smallpox, not you woo-peddlers.
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@Rips - I see you are determined to ignore evidence, lie & protect drug industry profits despite the injuries vaccines are proved to cause children listed in the Vaccine Injury Table (including dozens of types of brain & immune system damage)
100s of more adverse events, warnings & precautions are admitted to be linked to vaccines BY THE DRUG INDUSTRY. But instead of investigating the damage vaccines are linked to, drug makers simply warn us in a pamphlet
Obviously a Novella & Gorski disciple
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "I see you are determined to ignore evidence"
I see you are determined not to present any. Again, you keep pointing to a correlation and insisting it's causative, and ignoring the requirement to demonstrate a mechanism.
Did you actually watch the video that explains the difference between them?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
Rips now lies about the significance of the 83 kids who, after having been compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage, developed autism
1- He says 83 vax-injured autistic kids is insignificant to a population of 300 million. It's 83 kids out of 1000 who have been compensated for vax caused brain damage. The investigation is ongoing
2- He implies I am anti-vax. I am not. But to say we can't make vax safe for all or identify susceptible kids is not science, it is babble protecting drug profits
michael0156 2 months ago
@michael0156 "Rips now lies about the significance of the 83 kids"
How is dividing 83 by 320 million a "lie"? How does it stack up against the hundreds of thousands who used to suffer the after effects of infection, including THOUSANDS of deaths annually, against 83 SUPPOSED cases of intellectual impairment over several years? Michael here wants you to go back to shoveling your kids into the grave by the thousands every year rather than RISK, supposedly, autism.
Sound like a good bet to you?
PatchesRips 2 months ago
@michael0156 I wonder if anyone compared the autism rate in US citizens that never received a vaccine and the rate with previously vaccinated people. The former should be a dramatically lower occurrence and if that's the case, they can do more direct studies.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
When nearly the entire population has been vaccinated, it can correlate with everything. Vaccination causes the desire to get a driver's license. Vaccination causes sexual activity. Vaccination causes autism.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
@michael0156 She can make a hypothesis (educated guess), but without appropriate evidence, it is nothing more than a guess and means nothing scientifically.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
@michael0156 Even Isaac Newton had incorrect hypothesis and he was an extraordinary genius.
eurohim 2 weeks ago
Allergies have nothing to do with vaccines, and science has explained perfectly well why there is a rise in allergies. Goodness, Bill Maher needs to stick to his comedy politics and stop trying pseudo-healthcare. It makes me cringe when these TV personalities try to jab at medicine after having barely taken a high school level biology class or - at most - an introductory undergraduate biology course.
kowtronik69skizmatic 2 months ago
Score one for Baldwin. Ouch.
Doug31415 3 months ago
Hahahaha! The Great Atheist Rational Thinker! What a paranoid superstitious -oh 'freethinker' LOL!
Shojahan 3 months ago
The 1986 NCVIA stopped all lawsuits against vaccine makers. Since 1988 no one can sue a vaccine maker for side effects they have warned us about in their package inserts. MMR is associated with DOZENS of neurological side effects including seizures, encephalitis & death. That info comes from Merck, who makes the MMR
Google - nellco autism - This study shows 83 kids, who were compensated for vaccine-caused brain damage, also were diagnosed with autism AFTER the injury
Clinical study is needed
michael0156 3 months ago
Look, Bill has a point larger than this vaccine rubbish - that Western medicine DOES close off debate by disparaging 'alternative medicine' with misinformation. Western medicine is largely a REACTIVE philosophy. You seek the doctor when SICK, but not when most important - when you are WELL. Eastern medicine is PROACTIVE. It doesn't seek to cure disease but minimise its prevalence. And it works. Look at Asian longevity. THAT is what Western medicine should provide us, & that's Bill's true point.
UberNoodleX 4 months ago
And Yes. I did abandon posting studies Mikey boy. Because I post evidence, you post VIT, inserts and opinions. And to be clear, I don't claim there aren't any side effects. I do say that Autism is NOT one of those side effects.
I am still waiting for that peer reviewed paper showing a link. You don't have one. No one else seems to have one. You know what that means? No evidence. It's all guess work and smoke and mirrors.
Push your agenda Mikey. We push back.
tommy605 4 months ago 2
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Vax, in part thanks to Bachmann & Perry bringing attention to them, will 1 day (soon I hope) go the way of bloodletting, lobotomies, trepanation. Bloodletting has a long history so musta been peer reviewed & scientifically proven huh? And then there was Antonio Egnaz Moniz, who won Nobel Prize in 1949 for his lobotomies. Really- modern medicine prescribing Coumadin/Warfarin rat poison has little to be proud of. What don't they understand about life being in the blood? Don't waste or pollute it!
2ndSamuel710 4 months ago
And this is the guy calls christians crazy...
dem0nthesis 4 months ago
tomme has abandoned all of his "papers" because I expose them as wrong or fraudulent
Vaccines are given at the same time that a small % of kids regress into autism. That is a coincidence which needs clinical study because of the following reasons
1- Merck's package insert claims MMR is associated with dozens of neurological injuries
2- The Vaccine Injury Table (VIT) is a list of proved vax injuries
3- Dr Healy (former NIH director) says vaccines may cause autism
Facts tomme wants to ignore
michael0156 4 months ago
Well, I see good old Michael is here too. Nice.
Any sign of that peer reviewed paper I've been asking for for about three months now? The one that shows that vaccines cause, well, everything you claim it does.
I know. You want my "2 best studies" but like I keep saying, just pretend I have nothing. You convince me. And no more VIT, or opinions. Yes, Dr. Healy is an opinion, and no, not a qualified one for this subject. And Wakefield is just a lying scumbag.
A doctor peer reviewed paper only
tommy605 4 months ago
@tommy605 Do your research.
Documents emerge proving Dr Andrew Wakefield innocent; BMJ and Brian Deer caught misrepresenting the facts. google it. Do you realize how powerful big pharma is, and how many billions it make from vaccines, which are rushed thru approval process as the FDA is in bed with it?
litestreamer 4 months ago
@litestreamer I've seen many of these documents. They all seem to lead back to the same source, Wakefield and his supporters. What about other studies that go through Wakefield's paper and list all the problems with it point by point? What's their reasoning? Paid by big pharma too?
Do you realize that vaccines make up just 4% of their profits?
How come you only question the one side, but not the other that is making the huge claim with absolutely no evidence to back it?
tommy605 4 months ago 2
@litestreamer tommy605 is a drug industry shill. He is paid to push pharma propaganda here on youtube. His lies contribute to the harm & deaths our kids suffer, kids who are susceptible to the toxins or live pathogens in vaccines. They are a small %, but over the years as vaccines have increased so have the % of kids with regressive autism
tommy605 posted "evidence" I showed was fraud or supporting Dr Wakefield. He has refused to post any evidence since
michael0156 3 months ago
Vaccines are DEAD proteins of the Pathogens!!!! Jesus fucking christ! people, it can't mutate and it doesn't cause infection!
OhmgrownCron 4 months ago
@OhmgrownCron
Some vaccines are dead virus or protein coats manufactured in bacteria. Many vaccines contain live virus & bacteria
ALL measles, mumps, rubella, pneumonia vax contain live bacteria or virus
Google - "package insert" MMR - the list of adverse events warnings etc is over 5 pages long. If you read it you will see references to the live mumps, rubella & measles possibly causing infection in others
It is very easy to read for yourself or you can talk to any pharmacist
michael0156 4 months ago
Quick response. Formaldehyde is NOT in the vaccine, it is what is used to destroy the virus. Ok back to the video.
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Gardasil maker hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist in Austin' the drug company, Merck, that manufactured the vaccine hired Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff, as one of the firm's top lobbyists in Austin.Merck donated $16,000 to Perry's gubernatorial campaigns.Merck paid Mike Toomey, Perry's frmr chief of staff $260,000 and $535,000 in fees between 2005 and 2010, according to state lobbying records~
promiseIsaih60 4 months ago
the good outweighs the bad
judicum 4 months ago
The science is settled, it's the crazy people who are still unsettled.
Algolei 4 months ago
Who the fuck thinks there's dangers associated with vaccines? What the fuck, honestly? You learn this around age 10. Vaccine goes in, immunity comes out. Never a miscommunication.
Anyone who says otherwise is a crazy believer of pseudoscientific nonsense. Go and read a book.
NStenO 5 months ago
@NStenO Google "Package Insert" & MMR. Merck's list of adverse events, warnings, contraindications, precautions take 5 pages
Some adverse events - encephalitis, meningitis, seizures, convulsions, immune disorders, MANY MORE!
That is just ONE vaccine
Merck says it found these effects during clinical trials, but has not done any research to prove whether or not MMR is to blame. They feel sure enough that they list them in the package insert as events associated with MMR so they can't be sued
michael0156 5 months ago
Maher, there is a difference between a rational debate and "just asking questions" and just flat out denying it. You are clearly denying it here. Whenever any of your esteemed guests present to you a valid, logical argument, you make vague claims of the "evil, sick corporations" or how sick society is. Yes, there is greed out there, but these companies would not make any profit if they did not have effective remedies.
arshsingh1984 5 months ago
@arshsingh1984
Merck is possibly the worst of "evil, sick corporations". People run corporations & are responsible for their crimes against humanity
Merck "created" Vioxx. They knew in 1996 it was causing death thru cardiac events in clinical trials. They lied to the FDA & NEJM to get it approved & published. They bribed doctors/scientists to lie & threatened those telling the truth (Topol, Nissen & others) & made a fake journal
Merck KILLED over 45,000 US citizens, for $11.5 billion
michael0156 5 months ago
I Searched for a video with bill maher about vaccines hoping he'd complete destroy the anti-vaxx nutjobs ... but jesus christ im so disappointed .
Coggy69 6 months ago
All Bill is doing is RAISING THE QUESTION of vaccination. He's not saying that's it's wrong or bad, he's just looking into it. The reason people are freaking out over him is because vaccination is a topic that people feel should not be touched ever. I did not have my vaccinations and I turned out fine. I'm REALLY glad that Bill Maher has the balls to question touchy things like vaccination.
abschee 6 months ago
@abschee
I know right cause i have never worn my seat belt and i am perfectly okay... all these nuts with their seat belt laws. Also my Great Grandfather smoked and lived to be 103 (true) smoking obviously doesnt cause cancer.
The topic has been debated in the scientific community... 23 vaccination studies have been done in recent times because of nuts like you... all came back negative... yet you still ask for debate how many billions of dollars have to be spent to make you happy?
CharlesNauck 5 months ago
@CharlesNauck Post what you consider the best 2 of those "23 studies" that "come back negative". I will show their fraud. All were industry/govt sponsored manipulated studies of records, not children. They were DESIGNED to not find an autism/vaccine link
Here's 2 for you
04-2011 PMID 21522181 "[autism] association studies have yet to identify... major effect genes"
07-2011 PMID 21727249 "Susceptibility to ASD [autism] has MODERATE heritability & a SUBSTANTIAL... environmental component"
michael0156 5 months ago
@abschee Except that this question has already been asked and answered to the point of tedium, it's like evolution and creationism: there is no longer any doubt in the scientific community of which side is correct. How seriously should a person be taken who questions that the earth is (virtually) spherical?
JACKtheRIPP3R189 5 months ago 2
Grade A asshole = Bill Maher
eheister2006 6 months ago
The only legitimate concern about vaccines is that we might actually be inducing rapid evolution in viruses to become more deadly in order to cope with stronger human immune systems.
PoliticsStudent 6 months ago
When you say "we need to have a debate about this," what you're actually saying is "I don't have any arguments, but I feel like the consensus on the issue is wrong."
Baldwin hit the nail on the head, and Maher's blank stare completely demonstrates my point. I'm a fan of Maher, but not on this issue. He's adding more fuel to the "vaccines cause autism" fire, which was a viewpoint that was dead on arrival in terms of scientific validity.
PoliticsStudent 6 months ago
"The science is not settled" Bullshit Bill. . . Bullshit.
ShikaNinja 7 months ago
@ShikaNinja The science has PROVED vaccines are unsafe & always have been for a small % of kids. Since 1988 when vaccine makers were shielded from lawsuits by our congress the % of kids reacting to vaccines has risen in lock step with the rising mandatory vaccine schedule. The USA has the highest vaccination rate of any country & the highest infant/child mortality of 1st world nations
Vaccine Injury Table shows ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p:// ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
michael0156 7 months ago 2
@michael0156 " the % of kids reacting to vaccines has risen . . ." I would like to see your source for that claim and this claim "The USA has the highest vaccination. . ." No one has ever said that any medical intervention carries no risk. You said "a small %" true, but that is not enough to justify claiming it has been PROVEN unsafe. Also look into causation equals correlation fallacy. You employed that fallacy in your last sentence. The Table doesn't show prevalence so that makes it moot.
ShikaNinja 7 months ago
@ShikaNinja You use industry lines & lies against a truthful post
If a child or adult presents with injuries according to the guidelines in the Vaccine Injury Table they are AUTOMATICALLY compensated. Those injuries are PROVED
That you would dare attempt to cloud those facts marks you as a conflicted party or unable to think logically
My last sentence correlates rising vax & child/infant mortality. You fraudulently imply I said it is a causal relationship. Try again, use some facts this time
michael0156 7 months ago
@michael0156 " . . . lies against a truthful post" I do believe I just asked for your sources. I didn't think that was lying
The Table doesn't show prevalence. I agreed that all medical interventions have risks, but that doesn't mean they are PROVEN unsafe, unless you can show how frequent those risks arise.
I haven't personally attacked you, so let's try to keep this civil. And yes, that is a causation/correlation fallacy, but that wasn't a major point, so let's just move on.
Sources please
ShikaNinja 7 months ago
@ShikaNinja You want sources
The Vaccine Injury Table is THE SOURCE to see injuries vaccines are PROVED to cause. Anyone who meets the criteria on these "table" injuries is AUTOMATICALLY compensated
Merck's MMR package insert shows 5 pages of adverse events warnings & precautions MERCK admits is associated. Merck claims everything is proved caused by MMR except the side effects, which are just linked. NO ONE investigates the linked injuries for causation, but Merck warns us they may happen
michael0156 2 months ago
From Merck to 'Wyeth to Glaxo... all vaccine makers have contended in court that "vaccines are unavoidably unsafe" or "vaccines have side effects that are unavoidable"
Miggy says she will "look into it" about vax induced brain injuries. She implies the links I have shown to studies & positions accepted by the CDC/FDA/HRSA & various courts are "deceptive reports". She never refutes evidence I post, just says it's deceptive. Her lack of a science-based argument or evidence speaks volumes
michael0156 7 months ago 3
Nothing correlates with rising autism rates better than vaccinations & the increasingly toxic/novel-toxic substances in them
Vaccine Injury Table dozens of admitted vaccine injuries htt_p://ww_w.hrsa._gov/vaccinecompensation/table.htm
Study showing 83 NVICP cases linked to autism htt_p://digitalcommons.pace._edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr
Since 1988 the govt created NCVIA shields vaccine makers from lawsuits. Free market profits protected by socialized compensation
michael0156 7 months ago 2
reddit brought me here
DoS37 8 months ago
chris mathews at the end looks like a fucking baboon. yah! yah! lmfao
cody0126a 8 months ago
Someone here fails to see the difference between medicine practised as a money-making way and actually advanced medicine.. Bill should face it that he's an entertainer and not a medical man. Though as a healthcare professional myself I agree with the statements that quite a lot of afflictions (though not really a virus infection) can be prevented or eased off with.. well.. prevention. However, a vaccine *is* a preventative method. The saddest thing is the halt in developments of new vaccines.
grauekatze 8 months ago
@grauekatze We are not talking about how medicine is practiced. Most doctors are honorable men & women interested in helping their patients. Most "doctors" & "researchers" working for the drug industry have abandoned principles & human compassion
Drug CEOs & boards are interested in profit 1st, not health. If you claim to not understand or believe that you have no business commenting
Vaccine Injury Table - ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p:// ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
michael0156 7 months ago 2
@michael0156
I've never claimed that. I *know* that it is often so. I have even gotten university lecture by people from the insurance industry on how to extract the most money from my patients. It sickens me. However, you are still confusing two things: the problem between how very badly many of my collegues do their job and how advanced the field of medicine actually is. And so is Maher. If you still think I've no business on commenting, thats ok. I've no emotional investment.
grauekatze 7 months ago
@grauekatze I see you try to argue from authority w/o producing evidence. I have made simple statements of fact. Bill Maher is correct when he says vax need to be studied. To think logically you don't need to be an alleged expert
The truth is vaccines cause brain damage in a subset of kids, that is admitted. There are novel GMO contaminants in vax since the 1980s. With more vax & toxins a larger % of kids & adults react
We need to find those sensitive BEFORE injection & remove contaminants
michael0156 7 months ago
@grauekatze since you want to rely on "expertise" - Dr Bernadine Healy in a 2008 CBS interview "Vaccines may cause autism" & "It's inexcusable the proper research has not been done"... INEXCUSABLE
Powerful words from Dr Healy whose opinion is expert & relevant. She is a former NIH Director, Johns Hopkins Professor of Medicine, Chair of Cleveland Clinic Research Institute. Do you know morethan she does?
VIT shows ADMITTED vax injuries
htt p://ww w. hrsa. gov/vaccinecompensation/table. htm
michael0156 7 months ago
when are we gonna have preventative medicine in this country!! western medicine in general is such drug-driven industry, we r better for the economy and the big businesses if we remain sick and dependent on drugs!
EvilYelowBanana 8 months ago
"This is not settled science". What isnt' settled science, Bill? Vaccinations? They have stopped several pandemics from evolving since they were introduced.
I agree with Bill when he says the science should be questioned and there should be a debate about their effectiveness; but not to the point of doubting that they even work! I also agree about his point that some of them contain mercury, which should be looked at. But I'm afraid he will actually scare people away from vaccines.
MaskedMarvyl 9 months ago
Poor baldwin, he was only trying to help
NoWitnessesNoRegrets 9 months ago
shut the fuck up Bill! Go ask a scientist for an explanation before you open your mouth. Your questions and the fact you are asking questions are fine. Thing is, there were already explanations for this stuff when you went on this campaign. That's why you got your ass reamed
InnerSmile72 10 months ago
It's not on me to judge you. If you survive SV40, It will fall on your children to forgive whatever you've given them. Be sheep, everyone respects a herd mentality in their parents...
4176raven 10 months ago
As for all u "vacs are good, shame on Bill for asking the? I should have asked". I think It's just guilt. You let someone inject your child without bothering to find out what with or why. Time to own that. They come up for boosters. You can either keep fighting the educated or come up with real answers why you support a vaccination schedule that the CDC will admit has not been tested. Sure they have data on individual vacs, but none on our current increased schedule. B guilty again or help...
4176raven 10 months ago
Google fertility swine flu package product insert. Click on the FDA.GOV link. It's 9 down and it say's package inserts. Scroll to page 13, chapter 13.1 (that's right halfway through a package insert full of irrelevant charts and BS) Find the statement explaining that it is has not been tested as a mutagen, carcinogen, or threat to fertility.Then ask yourself why they would make that statement. It also hasn't been tested against a variety of other ailments.Plausible deny-ability =Legal exemption
4176raven 10 months ago
The problem is that vaccinations are a much more settled scientific issue than anthropogenic global warming. Maher is just flat wrong on this one, and badly so.
MrMZaccone 10 months ago
@MrMZaccone The H1N1 vaccine wasn't even tested, but rather compared to another vaccine that is made the same way. Google H1N1 vaccine package insert and look at section 14 to see for yourself.
Healthcare in this country is fear-based and lies are told everyday for the sake of profits. What he suggests is that we open these topics for discussion. How is that wrong?
gagz54 10 months ago
@gagz54 I agree with much of what you've said and am not fond of the medical profession and how they do things HOWEVER, Maher has done much more than simply suggest that these topics be open for discussion. Check other videos for the rest of his behavior and you'll find that he has made claims that are outrageous and pure fear-mongering of its own kind.
MrMZaccone 10 months ago
He's right about hospital food. I've never understood how hospitals can serve the shit they do and claim to be places where people get healthy.
MrMZaccone 10 months ago
I agree with him, although I think there a special circumstances where modern medicine is needed. Protecting babies who are at high risk of getting X. The elderly who have a whole host of illnesses. But health is always the best medicine getting drugs when you're healthy in-case you get sick is crazy. People just need to read up on the drug they're taking, if the risks outweigh the rewards. Don't take it. Because as much as we hate to admit it this world is money.
ActuallyLiam 11 months ago
The guy on the right is making up so much anecdotal bull about swine flu it amazes me there are still people prepared to do this to keep their job. I don't know anyone who trusts any medic on swine flu, it's like some religious bollocks, where is the science in medicine at, middle ages
swingvalse 11 months ago
he is funny no question about it
atmark666 11 months ago
Bill seems to forget that countries who use other types of healthcaresystems where there is less "profitmotive" also use the same western medication. He also seems to forget how many poeple would actually die without medical treatment.
Nydracommander 1 year ago
@Nydracommander The major pharmaceutical companies are global. Which means that their medicine appears in every country. Regardless of the health care systems. Unless a certain drug is banned. That's why your headache is treated by Panadol, Heron, Advil in all these different countries. The only difference is how much they can charge in each country, it's the same drugs. The differences between Public and Private hospitals.
ActuallyLiam 11 months ago
@ActuallyLiam i treat headache with labelless paracetamol, i've never even seen an advil, because it's a US product.
My point is that non-profit orientated health systems would not implement vaccins if they weren't necessary. Why would a goverment in such a system use healthcare funds to buy these vaccins if they didn't work?
Nydracommander 11 months ago
@Nydracommander We must look at the overall theory behind a vaccine. It is the heard principle. If you vaccinate 100% you may lose 5% from complications but you still have 95%. That sounds great if your looking at a large group, but what if you were in that 5%?
As for the theory that "the govt. buys them so they work", REALLY? We spend more per capita on healthcare than any other country while our healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world. Someone must be doing something wrong.
gagz54 10 months ago
@gagz54 the problem with your argument is that you don't lose 5% due to complications. there are no complications, thats the whole point. The only time you can get complications is if you accidentally give a live virus vaccin to an immuno compromised patient. vaccins are extremely safe, get over it. My stance on goverments was about countries with social healthcare. Budgets are tight so why waste money on vaccins if they don't work? the US does not have social healthcare
Nydracommander 10 months ago
yea, so lets just eat healthy and hope we don't get polio. sounds like a winner.
Baseball5030 1 year ago
i see where Mahers coming from and i half agree with him. Western medicine likes to say that we can solve all illness' with a shot and a pill when exercise and a good diet could have prevented people from getting a huge majority of the afflictions that they get. Of course we need medicine for certain things and certain people but western medicine is so closed off about PREVENTATIVE measures its silly.
FinalHeresy 1 year ago 13
@FinalHeresy Correct.
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
@FinalHeresy And when did doctors start saying that we shouldn't exercise or eat well? Tell someone with lymphoma to go for a run and eat their leafy greens.
SgtSpankey 8 months ago
@SgtSpankey Doctors don't say it at all because it isn't there job too. Western medicine is good at what it does which is to get rid off illness' you already have but it does very little, if anything in a preventative sense.
FinalHeresy 8 months ago
@FinalHeresy I don't know of a single doctor that doesn't recommend a balanced diet, even if yours don't pretty much every government in the world promotes a healthy lifestyle. I hate this use of "western medicine" too, what's the alternative? Why is it "western"? There are many countries that have doctors who practice peer-reviewed medicine if that's a better term, not just in "the west".
SgtSpankey 8 months ago
@SgtSpankey And maybe i should state what i said in my original comment in a new way, Its not so much closed off as it its simply not its business to prevent all of your ailments anyway. You get vaccinated for the biggest and most common things we can prevent but otherwise you go to the doctors only when your sick, to get better. Again its not a docotrs job to tell you how to live your life although he/she can recommend things, sure.
FinalHeresy 8 months ago
@SgtSpankey I would also disagree with your assumption that all of these countries promote healthy lifestyles. The united states certainly doesn't, even if we say we do our actions say otherwise. As bill said himself once, "Theres no money in healthy people and theres no money in dead people." We need people to keep getting sick for the medical and pharmaceutical industries to make a profit.
FinalHeresy 8 months ago