it doesnt make sense to deny what is natural and inate in all of us, our animal instincts to breed. This is why religion is to me nothing more than a moral muzzle to keep our more barbaric basic instincts in check. Whether he says its for god or whatever doesnt change the fact that its not naturally occuring that way
Here in America, more African-Americans are killed in their mother's womb every single hour than the total of all the African-Americans who were killed by the KKK throughout its entire history!
as the father of a beautiful healthy baby, the brother's words really resonated with me: "the womb of the mother should be the safest place in the world". thank you.
OMG brother Agostino!!!! i love all the friars i was a memeber of the immaculate conception church and went to almost every single retreat. they were there for me when i had no one else and they are amazing human beings i wish them all the luck and i love them with all my heart i miss you guys!!! :)
Beware of this counterfeit that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught the Christians to commit adultery and fornicate with idols. BEWARE OF THIS MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS. This will suffer heavy losses.
T\I can not imagine a better way to live than for God in the service of his poor brothers on earth. I feel compelled beyond words to join this community!
Hola: Yo soy de Chile y e leido bastante de ustedes, pero su comunidad religiosa no existe acá; si yo quisiera conocerlos a ustedes o hacer un discernimiento que debo hacer.
and to hollywoodartchick, they are simply suggesting not to commmit murder. dont you tell people not to seteal or not to drink and drive? its the same thing
The pro-lifers have free-speeched themselves into total media saturation. There is no way that anyone, pregnant or not, could have missed their "message." There is no way they could be confused about where to find this "information" if they wanted to hear it. It is everywhere.
The only "proof" that the pro-life movement has that a fetus is the same as a person is their own poetic imagery. "Holding the baby in her body instead of her arms," gimme a break! These guys are harrassing.
They are not telling them what to do with their lives they are telling them what not to do. Don't kill your baby. What differance does it make if the men or women who say it are single or married? Don't you believe in Freedom of Speech???? If you are prochoice, don't these men have the choice to try and persuade the women to respect the baby in the womb? People used to say blacks were not people and an owner was prochoice. This is worse. Single men... right... this is not about the men.
My point is that the women KNOW about the option those young boys are selling. They are not at a clinic because they are ignorant of what the boys have to say. They have their reasons for being there, and the boys are not respecting it. It is just their poetic OPINION that the fetus is a human being, and they are using guilt. Why don't friars fight for social justice against landlords and business owners? Maybe because those are risky targets and pregnant women are not.
To completly undersand what they are doing you have to be truly catholic, our you will never understan. It may suprise you how many wemon are thankfull that they where there, and how few that did comit, haven't forgot there pleas.
I grew up Catholic and stayed in the church most of my life. That is why I am against their judgement of people they don't know or understand. The nuns taught me not to pretend to know what was "right" for others because I don't know their pressures or motivations. That was before the church was hijacked by right-wing repressive jerks who presume to lump "sinners" into a catagory. If they love fetuses so much, they should adopt some, not harass women. U people are wannabe fundamentalists.
Well it is hard to be a fundamentalist at twenty-two, and I hope to never fully be one. Im more of a traditionalist (largely because I choose to go to the latten Mass). Ive learn never to judge a book by its cover because of being misjudge many a time myself. I dont understand the lumping of sinners, but I know the church as a whole has become a mess since Vatican II. I wish there was a way to adopt a fetus! But means that the mother would have to carry it for nine months to have a baby.
I actually think that Vatican 2 gave us a real opportunity, but it seems to have been squandered as parishes imitate more and more the evangelicals and abandon mercy, liberation theology, and mysticism. The traditions are fine - I like them. IMO, Mass is best when meditative.
Perhaps the energies of people who believe they are saving fetuses with their disruptions at clinics could focus on raising funds to develop artificial wombs. It could unify both pro-choice and pro-life forces.
Conception is when God puts His spirit onto the fetus. Fetuses have nervous system which causes pain. Abortions may not result int the poor fetus dying... so the have to take out and kill the baby. These young women need spiritual formatiton and education. Most of the time these women are from low socio-econic backgrounds, the outsiders of society. They need more support, material and spiritual, from society; they are more important than landlords. Friars do their bit. what about you?:) God bles
@kittenbombon This is where secular philosophy and Catholic Theology diverge and this is where a LOT of people who simply fall into a bandwagon end up looking rather foolish. When a person believes that a fetus isn't alive until the brain actually starts to kick in should really ask themselves if that is something they can actually prove or something they have accepted based on the limited science we have. Theology states the fetus is alive the moment the soul enters which happens at conception.
How much money a businesses or landlord makes is not their priority. Their priority is the right to life.
A human life is worth more than money.
And its "just" to prosecute a man for a double homicide when he kills a pregnant woman no matter her term, yet its wrong to keep a woman from doing the same to her child? I just don't understand how that is ok.
These men walk it like they talk it. Not only do they counsel pregnant women who come to them, but they also provide them with shelter and with clothing and with care and with all types of assistance.
They are not like others who judge and don't lift a finger to help those women who actually carry their children to full term.
Don't those women (often young, single, african-american... that's just statistics)... Don't they choose what to do with a life? Abortion kills, darlin.
@hollywoodartchick If the fetus is a human life, and there is NO scientific or logical reason to believe it is not, how does it make any sense to say only women can speak on the topic as if the fetus were just another appendage of their body? Just think about how your logic would jack up universal human rights if it were applied as you do.
@hollywoodartchick Legalized abortion was originally supported here in the US by rich white people who were trying to eradicate blacks and immigrants from the population, as Hitler later did to the Jews. These monsters believed that only WHITE people should have babies, and, if they touted the benefits of abortion to the poor who were struggling, that those people would surely kill their unborn in order to better survive. Be careful with whom you align yourself spiritually. God bless.
I wish I could be one of them, but alas, I am the wrong gender, LOL. I am, however, seriously considering the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal, who, are without a doubt, awesome too!
Thank you. I appreciate all the prayers you offer for us. I can assure you that with God's grace we will be saved and we will repent of all our sins and wrong doings. However we will not repent from desiring to give everything to the Lord. We will not repent for wanting to show the Lord how much we love Him. We will not be saved because of anything that we do, but because of what Jesus did. We can only love Christ and show Him our love by our poor actions. Blessed be the name Jesus Christ
These guys sing Amazing "Grace" on the street yet they like every other Catholic reject the truth of Ephesians 2:8-9 (By GRACE are ye saved through faith and not of works) they try to justify themselves in the works of the law (feeding the poor, chastening themselves) to be saved and so they are fallen from grace. They trust in the "mother of God" instead of God Himself - THOU SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD AND HIM "ONLY" SHALT THOU SERVE.
Why don;t you put the whole verse in? You afraid? 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
We do good works AFTER we "have been saved" by grace, not in order to be saved. No Catholic knows where they're going when they die because they are trusting in themselves and their works rather than the finished, perfect work of Christ on the cross for their sin. A Catholic is forbidden to say "I have been saved". Salvation is a free gift (Rom 6:23), trusting in good works equals rejecting the gift.
Brother, I don't what why you think you got saved yesterday! I was saved 2008 years ago when Christ died and resurrected from the dead. Salvation is a gift that can be equally lost though sin. Please take some theology classes before arguing over the internet.
We don't need theology classes, all we need is the Word of God(see 2Tim 3:16-17). The faith that James is referring to is "passive belief in God" not "believing on (trusting, relying, putting complete faith in) Jesus Christ for salvation from hell" (John 3:14-16). And if salvation can be lost through sin why did Peter tell us(who are born-again)we are kept saved by God and we have an inheritance "reserved" in heaven (1Peter 1:3-5), Why did John say we can KNOW we have eternal life? (1John 5:13)
I would like to know where you heard that we are unable to say that we are saved. Hello! We follow Christ too and we do not trust in our works to save us. We believe that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We are saved by the same Christ you believe in.
I heard you are unable to say you are saved from countless Catholic priests and laypeople. I didn't make it up. I was raised Catholic myself, raised to believe I get to heaven by being a "good person" and raised to believe you can never know where you're going when you die.
If you don't believe in salvation by good works and if you believe you are SAVED apart from your own efforts, then you are the only Catholic I ever came across with such beliefs.
I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Yes, Catholics believe in the same Christian God as Protestants do, just a little differently. Protestants, from my understanding (correct me if I am wrong), believe that just believing in Jesus Christ gets you to heaven. Catholics, however, believe that just saying that you believe in Christ does not get one to heaven. You must have a conviction in your heart. We are all sinners. (cont)
Protestants do not believe that JUST believing in Jesus solely gets you into heaven. Perhaps it is just my protestant sect, but we are very similar to catholicism in the fact that we, too, believe in self-giving and charities as well as constant good works of selflessness. To say Protestants as a whole are all ignorant or believe that just having a belief in Jesus will get you into heaven is very, very false.
I do however, see where your views come from. (continued.)
I see what you mean by saying that good works alone do not save us. I agree completely.
I especially like your statement about "you must have a conviction in your heart" All Christian faiths essentially thrive on that statement. You make valid points, but just please do not group all protestants of of the ideas of one person. As you stated "We don't worship Mary as you protestants believe." I personally do not believe Catholics worship Mary. So please don't assume all protestants believe that.
The only articles I can find about things that Catholics believe which say that Jesus wasn't enough were written, obviously, by Protestants, or non-Catholics. In that case, it is false. This is what I found (I almost died laughing because it is so false!):
"Catholicism denies that the crucifixion of Jesus was sufficient to pay the complete punishment for sin. Rome also denies His atoning sacrifice was finished."
That verse is not talking about being saved. If you genuinely look at it, the Bible makes it clear that works (although good and right)have nothing to do with being saved, only faith. Acts 16:30-31, Rom 3:28, 10:2-4, 10:13, Galatians 2:16, Titus 3:5. No Monks, no nuns, no Christian priests, no Popes, no friars, no monasterys, no "eucharist", no "mass" is found anywhere in the Bible, no kneeling to statues. God calls you out of this deception.
Funny you say that from a Protestant translation of the Bible that Martin Luther edited.
James 2:19-20 "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
James 2:26 "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."
Find me the above Catholic doctrines in any Bible translation! Do you want me to use the modern Catholic versions that get rid of verse 37 of Acts 8 (because the verse clearly proves baptising babies, who can't express faith in Christ, is wrong)? "moving the goalposts"? If you think that James is saying SALVATION FROM HELL is by works in these verses (which he clearly isn't) then you'd have to admit that the verses I cited above and 100s of others in the NT are lies!(incl. Romans 3:20-28). AMEN.
klax - if you'd like me to help you understand where these "things" (Papacy, Mass, etc.) come from, let me know. I was a Lutheran for 25 years. It didn't make sense to me either until the history of the Church was explained. What would you like to start off with?
We don't worship Mary as you protestants believe. We believe that she can help us, yes, but she is not God. We believe in God as the only Savior. Protestants have it all twisted. How bout reading about Catholicism and understanding it the way we do before you go bashing our faith?
Catholics pray to Mary, have feasts to Mary, kneel to statues of Mary, prostrate before "apparitions of Mary", sing to Mary, exalt Mary with titles, and trust in her for their salvation. If all that is not WORSHIP then what is?
Get real, please. You know nothing about Catholicism. Just because you were brought up Catholic, like me, does not make you an expert. I had to do studying on my own before I knew what I know now. Listening to things around you are not going to make you any less cynical than you already are.
And what is so bad, may I ask, about being respectful (not worshiping) to Mary? She is the Mother of Our Lord! She is NOT God!
You have to understnad something. When Gabrial (I think I spelled it right) came to Mary, do you remember what he said to her? Howshe would be exalted? When Christ died, the apostles looked to Mary for their support. When we pray to her, what better person to ask, other than Christ, than His own mather to interced for us? Christ would never say no to His mother. Perhaps you should research as to why Catholics pray to saints as an intercession. Let us put our differences aside: we are Christians.
Christ is the image of the invisible God, shall we dump crucifixes?
Lord's instructions
Ex. 25:1820
1 Chr. 28:1819
Remember the serpent:
Num. 21:89
2 Kgs. 18:4
What 's the difference?
When you show a friend the picture of your child, the fact you have it is not worship. If you have a picture of your deceased grandfather, mother or someone dear, it's for remembrance. Respectful veneration is not the adoration due to God alone.
Hi averitas. I'm glad at least you American Catholics care about such issues, just not glad you can't use common sense to discern that your (and my former) Church is a sham. Answer my question to Futuresister 726 above, after you've finished singing hymns to pictures of your children!
it doesnt make sense to deny what is natural and inate in all of us, our animal instincts to breed. This is why religion is to me nothing more than a moral muzzle to keep our more barbaric basic instincts in check. Whether he says its for god or whatever doesnt change the fact that its not naturally occuring that way
boogiebuddy01 1 month ago
Here in America, more African-Americans are killed in their mother's womb every single hour than the total of all the African-Americans who were killed by the KKK throughout its entire history!
FraGilesMary 2 months ago
I've met some of these!
Ohyewildthong 4 months ago
Very good video. Amazing beards as well if I may say so.
DCDUO 7 months ago
as the father of a beautiful healthy baby, the brother's words really resonated with me: "the womb of the mother should be the safest place in the world". thank you.
zazfilm 11 months ago
OMG brother Agostino!!!! i love all the friars i was a memeber of the immaculate conception church and went to almost every single retreat. they were there for me when i had no one else and they are amazing human beings i wish them all the luck and i love them with all my heart i miss you guys!!! :)
ladiicrave719 1 year ago
It's so beautiful to see how you all share your meals in one gigantic table.
Will you consider evangelizing In la Ceiba Honduras, 6 hours north of comayagua. I might be able to help,please let me know
May God bless you and the true spirit of St. Francis be with you
ceiba74 1 year ago
lindo video fray agustino esta nice... i like it
AZ18585 1 year ago
This is awesome these friers are brave and Loving!!
roseliza2 1 year ago
Thank you brothers for this video, I'm in discernment with the OFM Cap. Please pray for me.
AndrEwsskon 1 year ago
Enough of the abortion BS, these are wonderful men and let's just admire them.
hopkins4545 1 year ago
very nice kind of friars............sure S.Francisco love's them.
chamaleon63 1 year ago
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chamaleon63 1 year ago
Thank you my Brothers! Greetings from Friars Minor from Poland! Il Signiore Vi benedica!
DominiKofm 1 year ago 2
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Beware of this counterfeit that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught the Christians to commit adultery and fornicate with idols. BEWARE OF THIS MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS. This will suffer heavy losses.
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conceil8 2 years ago
T\I can not imagine a better way to live than for God in the service of his poor brothers on earth. I feel compelled beyond words to join this community!
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago 3
great people
1gamester 2 years ago
Ave Maria! God bless you all abundantly!
kittenbombon 2 years ago 2
FATHER FRANCIS
pray for us
PEACE AND GOOD
cublop 2 years ago 5
I love these Friars. They are awesome. God Bless Them! I will be praying for them.
lovesGod40 2 years ago 3
Hola: Yo soy de Chile y e leido bastante de ustedes, pero su comunidad religiosa no existe acá; si yo quisiera conocerlos a ustedes o hacer un discernimiento que debo hacer.
espero su respuesta.
ginoata 2 years ago
yeah klax what do you believe?
and to hollywoodartchick, they are simply suggesting not to commmit murder. dont you tell people not to seteal or not to drink and drive? its the same thing
padrepio1419 2 years ago 3
Hey Klax what do you believe?
johnbosco1019 2 years ago
Prayers up for the friars.
averitas 2 years ago
Oh the most touching moment was when the friar could not talk to that woman. How said. I hope she resonsidered. God bless your work Friars!
clarinet001 3 years ago
The pro-lifers have free-speeched themselves into total media saturation. There is no way that anyone, pregnant or not, could have missed their "message." There is no way they could be confused about where to find this "information" if they wanted to hear it. It is everywhere.
The only "proof" that the pro-life movement has that a fetus is the same as a person is their own poetic imagery. "Holding the baby in her body instead of her arms," gimme a break! These guys are harrassing.
hollywoodartchick 3 years ago
@hollywoodartchick Well, of course a fetus is the same as a human being. What do you think it is? a fish? It's DNA is human.
DaddyMedic 1 month ago
Single men telling pregnant women what to do with their lives? I liked the video till they pulled that crap.
hollywoodartchick 3 years ago
They are not telling them what to do with their lives they are telling them what not to do. Don't kill your baby. What differance does it make if the men or women who say it are single or married? Don't you believe in Freedom of Speech???? If you are prochoice, don't these men have the choice to try and persuade the women to respect the baby in the womb? People used to say blacks were not people and an owner was prochoice. This is worse. Single men... right... this is not about the men.
kolbe1019 3 years ago 7
What crap? They were just telling ladies not to murder an inocent human.
johnbosco1019 2 years ago 2
My point is that the women KNOW about the option those young boys are selling. They are not at a clinic because they are ignorant of what the boys have to say. They have their reasons for being there, and the boys are not respecting it. It is just their poetic OPINION that the fetus is a human being, and they are using guilt. Why don't friars fight for social justice against landlords and business owners? Maybe because those are risky targets and pregnant women are not.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago
To completly undersand what they are doing you have to be truly catholic, our you will never understan. It may suprise you how many wemon are thankfull that they where there, and how few that did comit, haven't forgot there pleas.
hannbelzak 2 years ago
I grew up Catholic and stayed in the church most of my life. That is why I am against their judgement of people they don't know or understand. The nuns taught me not to pretend to know what was "right" for others because I don't know their pressures or motivations. That was before the church was hijacked by right-wing repressive jerks who presume to lump "sinners" into a catagory. If they love fetuses so much, they should adopt some, not harass women. U people are wannabe fundamentalists.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago
Well it is hard to be a fundamentalist at twenty-two, and I hope to never fully be one. Im more of a traditionalist (largely because I choose to go to the latten Mass). Ive learn never to judge a book by its cover because of being misjudge many a time myself. I dont understand the lumping of sinners, but I know the church as a whole has become a mess since Vatican II. I wish there was a way to adopt a fetus! But means that the mother would have to carry it for nine months to have a baby.
hannbelzak 2 years ago
I actually think that Vatican 2 gave us a real opportunity, but it seems to have been squandered as parishes imitate more and more the evangelicals and abandon mercy, liberation theology, and mysticism. The traditions are fine - I like them. IMO, Mass is best when meditative.
Perhaps the energies of people who believe they are saving fetuses with their disruptions at clinics could focus on raising funds to develop artificial wombs. It could unify both pro-choice and pro-life forces.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago
hollywoodartchick
how can they adopt when the women(and men) choose to abort the babies
the catholic church is the biggest charity on the earth and have many orphanages throughout the world
you obviously think you know a lot about the religion since you were raised catholic but it shows in your comment that you know nothing.
do research before you cast a stone
1gamester 2 years ago 3
Conception is when God puts His spirit onto the fetus. Fetuses have nervous system which causes pain. Abortions may not result int the poor fetus dying... so the have to take out and kill the baby. These young women need spiritual formatiton and education. Most of the time these women are from low socio-econic backgrounds, the outsiders of society. They need more support, material and spiritual, from society; they are more important than landlords. Friars do their bit. what about you?:) God bles
kittenbombon 2 years ago
@kittenbombon This is where secular philosophy and Catholic Theology diverge and this is where a LOT of people who simply fall into a bandwagon end up looking rather foolish. When a person believes that a fetus isn't alive until the brain actually starts to kick in should really ask themselves if that is something they can actually prove or something they have accepted based on the limited science we have. Theology states the fetus is alive the moment the soul enters which happens at conception.
chrisklecker 1 year ago
@hollywoodartchick thats just ur excuse to think its okay to kill babies rite?
roseliza2 1 year ago
@hollywoodartchick
How much money a businesses or landlord makes is not their priority. Their priority is the right to life.
A human life is worth more than money.
And its "just" to prosecute a man for a double homicide when he kills a pregnant woman no matter her term, yet its wrong to keep a woman from doing the same to her child? I just don't understand how that is ok.
xMissBunny 3 weeks ago
@hollywoodartchick How would you like it if your mother killed you off?
Domodeath 1 year ago
@hollywoodartchick
These men walk it like they talk it. Not only do they counsel pregnant women who come to them, but they also provide them with shelter and with clothing and with care and with all types of assistance.
They are not like others who judge and don't lift a finger to help those women who actually carry their children to full term.
God bless you.
TemplarRican 1 year ago 3
@hollywoodartchick so you're pro abortion. big deal. i hope you're happy in your decision.
zazfilm 11 months ago
@hollywoodartchick
Don't those women (often young, single, african-american... that's just statistics)... Don't they choose what to do with a life? Abortion kills, darlin.
losackp 11 months ago
@hollywoodartchick If the fetus is a human life, and there is NO scientific or logical reason to believe it is not, how does it make any sense to say only women can speak on the topic as if the fetus were just another appendage of their body? Just think about how your logic would jack up universal human rights if it were applied as you do.
brucefetter 5 months ago
@hollywoodartchick Legalized abortion was originally supported here in the US by rich white people who were trying to eradicate blacks and immigrants from the population, as Hitler later did to the Jews. These monsters believed that only WHITE people should have babies, and, if they touted the benefits of abortion to the poor who were struggling, that those people would surely kill their unborn in order to better survive. Be careful with whom you align yourself spiritually. God bless.
TheAolele 4 months ago
@TheAolele I'm pretty sure Roe v. Wade was after WWII.
FuturePriest387 2 months ago
This warmed my heart. God bless you & I will pray for you all.
YoZoe 3 years ago 2
I love the friars, they're so awesome. =]
innocnceuntouched 3 years ago 3
I wish I could be one of them, but alas, I am the wrong gender, LOL. I am, however, seriously considering the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal, who, are without a doubt, awesome too!
FutureSister726 3 years ago 2
Oh I do hope to find what you are called to! How is your discernment coming?? I hope the best :-)
clarinet001 3 years ago
Thank you. I appreciate all the prayers you offer for us. I can assure you that with God's grace we will be saved and we will repent of all our sins and wrong doings. However we will not repent from desiring to give everything to the Lord. We will not repent for wanting to show the Lord how much we love Him. We will not be saved because of anything that we do, but because of what Jesus did. We can only love Christ and show Him our love by our poor actions. Blessed be the name Jesus Christ
kolbe1019 3 years ago 2
These guys sing Amazing "Grace" on the street yet they like every other Catholic reject the truth of Ephesians 2:8-9 (By GRACE are ye saved through faith and not of works) they try to justify themselves in the works of the law (feeding the poor, chastening themselves) to be saved and so they are fallen from grace. They trust in the "mother of God" instead of God Himself - THOU SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD AND HIM "ONLY" SHALT THOU SERVE.
Please repent Catholics before it's too late!
klax69 3 years ago
Why don;t you put the whole verse in? You afraid? 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
1959Viper 3 years ago
We do good works AFTER we "have been saved" by grace, not in order to be saved. No Catholic knows where they're going when they die because they are trusting in themselves and their works rather than the finished, perfect work of Christ on the cross for their sin. A Catholic is forbidden to say "I have been saved". Salvation is a free gift (Rom 6:23), trusting in good works equals rejecting the gift.
klax69 3 years ago
Brother, I don't what why you think you got saved yesterday! I was saved 2008 years ago when Christ died and resurrected from the dead. Salvation is a gift that can be equally lost though sin. Please take some theology classes before arguing over the internet.
1959Viper 3 years ago 3
We don't need theology classes, all we need is the Word of God(see 2Tim 3:16-17). The faith that James is referring to is "passive belief in God" not "believing on (trusting, relying, putting complete faith in) Jesus Christ for salvation from hell" (John 3:14-16). And if salvation can be lost through sin why did Peter tell us(who are born-again)we are kept saved by God and we have an inheritance "reserved" in heaven (1Peter 1:3-5), Why did John say we can KNOW we have eternal life? (1John 5:13)
klax69 3 years ago
Certainly, we Catholics have been saved - by baptism. Yes, it was free.
jmkeller 3 years ago 2
I would like to know where you heard that we are unable to say that we are saved. Hello! We follow Christ too and we do not trust in our works to save us. We believe that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. We are saved by the same Christ you believe in.
FutureSister726 3 years ago
I heard you are unable to say you are saved from countless Catholic priests and laypeople. I didn't make it up. I was raised Catholic myself, raised to believe I get to heaven by being a "good person" and raised to believe you can never know where you're going when you die.
If you don't believe in salvation by good works and if you believe you are SAVED apart from your own efforts, then you are the only Catholic I ever came across with such beliefs.
klax69 3 years ago
I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Yes, Catholics believe in the same Christian God as Protestants do, just a little differently. Protestants, from my understanding (correct me if I am wrong), believe that just believing in Jesus Christ gets you to heaven. Catholics, however, believe that just saying that you believe in Christ does not get one to heaven. You must have a conviction in your heart. We are all sinners. (cont)
FutureSister726 3 years ago
I just recently read this.
Protestants do not believe that JUST believing in Jesus solely gets you into heaven. Perhaps it is just my protestant sect, but we are very similar to catholicism in the fact that we, too, believe in self-giving and charities as well as constant good works of selflessness. To say Protestants as a whole are all ignorant or believe that just having a belief in Jesus will get you into heaven is very, very false.
I do however, see where your views come from. (continued.)
katsunero 3 years ago
I see what you mean by saying that good works alone do not save us. I agree completely.
I especially like your statement about "you must have a conviction in your heart" All Christian faiths essentially thrive on that statement. You make valid points, but just please do not group all protestants of of the ideas of one person. As you stated "We don't worship Mary as you protestants believe." I personally do not believe Catholics worship Mary. So please don't assume all protestants believe that.
katsunero 3 years ago
The only articles I can find about things that Catholics believe which say that Jesus wasn't enough were written, obviously, by Protestants, or non-Catholics. In that case, it is false. This is what I found (I almost died laughing because it is so false!):
"Catholicism denies that the crucifixion of Jesus was sufficient to pay the complete punishment for sin. Rome also denies His atoning sacrifice was finished."
If that was true, we would not call Him Savior!
FutureSister726 3 years ago
Do you see that by works only a man is justified and not by faith alone? James 2:24
jmkeller 3 years ago
That verse is not talking about being saved. If you genuinely look at it, the Bible makes it clear that works (although good and right)have nothing to do with being saved, only faith. Acts 16:30-31, Rom 3:28, 10:2-4, 10:13, Galatians 2:16, Titus 3:5. No Monks, no nuns, no Christian priests, no Popes, no friars, no monasterys, no "eucharist", no "mass" is found anywhere in the Bible, no kneeling to statues. God calls you out of this deception.
klax69 3 years ago
Funny you say that from a Protestant translation of the Bible that Martin Luther edited.
James 2:19-20 "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
James 2:26 "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."
1959Viper 3 years ago
Find me the above Catholic doctrines in any Bible translation! Do you want me to use the modern Catholic versions that get rid of verse 37 of Acts 8 (because the verse clearly proves baptising babies, who can't express faith in Christ, is wrong)? "moving the goalposts"? If you think that James is saying SALVATION FROM HELL is by works in these verses (which he clearly isn't) then you'd have to admit that the verses I cited above and 100s of others in the NT are lies!(incl. Romans 3:20-28). AMEN.
klax69 3 years ago
klax - if you'd like me to help you understand where these "things" (Papacy, Mass, etc.) come from, let me know. I was a Lutheran for 25 years. It didn't make sense to me either until the history of the Church was explained. What would you like to start off with?
jmkeller 3 years ago 2
We don't worship Mary as you protestants believe. We believe that she can help us, yes, but she is not God. We believe in God as the only Savior. Protestants have it all twisted. How bout reading about Catholicism and understanding it the way we do before you go bashing our faith?
FutureSister726 3 years ago
Catholics pray to Mary, have feasts to Mary, kneel to statues of Mary, prostrate before "apparitions of Mary", sing to Mary, exalt Mary with titles, and trust in her for their salvation. If all that is not WORSHIP then what is?
klax69 3 years ago
Get real, please. You know nothing about Catholicism. Just because you were brought up Catholic, like me, does not make you an expert. I had to do studying on my own before I knew what I know now. Listening to things around you are not going to make you any less cynical than you already are.
And what is so bad, may I ask, about being respectful (not worshiping) to Mary? She is the Mother of Our Lord! She is NOT God!
FutureSister726 3 years ago
You have to understnad something. When Gabrial (I think I spelled it right) came to Mary, do you remember what he said to her? Howshe would be exalted? When Christ died, the apostles looked to Mary for their support. When we pray to her, what better person to ask, other than Christ, than His own mather to interced for us? Christ would never say no to His mother. Perhaps you should research as to why Catholics pray to saints as an intercession. Let us put our differences aside: we are Christians.
clarinet001 3 years ago
Christ is the image of the invisible God, shall we dump crucifixes?
Lord's instructions
Ex. 25:1820
1 Chr. 28:1819
Remember the serpent:
Num. 21:89
2 Kgs. 18:4
What 's the difference?
When you show a friend the picture of your child, the fact you have it is not worship. If you have a picture of your deceased grandfather, mother or someone dear, it's for remembrance. Respectful veneration is not the adoration due to God alone.
My mother / your mother, Christ to John.
averitas 2 years ago
Hi averitas. I'm glad at least you American Catholics care about such issues, just not glad you can't use common sense to discern that your (and my former) Church is a sham. Answer my question to Futuresister 726 above, after you've finished singing hymns to pictures of your children!
klax69 2 years ago
The Friars are a testimony of God's Love for humanity. God Bless the Friars!
SureHowDoYouKnow 3 years ago 17