Wow, this guy gives me a horrible feeling in my stomach. As soon as he came on, "Because as one friend to another, we're warning you of a mistake you're about to make". He should be ashamed of himself for this bullshit..Thank you for the quality video Dpr.
Healthcare isn't the fundamental argument, stop playing on peoples’ emotions. This is about using force to take money from someone to give it to someone else. We became the greatest country with the greatest healthcare (before massive government involvement) not based on a commie/socialist ideology. In the past when we had charity and church run hospitals NO ONE was turned away AND NO ONE had to wait. Don’t feed me this shit of government run healthcare.(cont.)
@Crowz ...yes it does. If people die of a disease that can be cured then most of the time it'll bring down the life expectancy. The only real factors in life expectance is the state of the healthcare , and the state of the country , like how somalia will have a low one because people have died from the civil wars there.
Many factors affect life expectancy and many are the personal choices of the individuals themselves. If you want to look at how effective your health care is then the only statistic that matters is treatment. I. E. The time in between diagnosis and being cured. In the U.K. and Canada they engage in rationing so if you have a curable disease you will be for to wait because they can only spend so much money on health care. Rather then getting treated you get put on a list.
@Crowz DO you have any proof of this? If I got up and went to the hospital with some disease right now , I would be taken in immediately and given diagnosis's , and depending if the disease is serious I could be taken right to the treatment. And what also matters is how many people die of preventable diseases , which means the US is way on down there. And also , honestly even if you have to come back in a week for treatment (cont)
@Crowz what really matters is if it gets treated or not. As long as time does not come into the persons problem (like cancer or a disease that is getting worse by the day ) then a healthcare system could be the best in the world and still have you wait for a week to get your treatment. Time is a luxurary in healthcare.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. The same quality of health care is provided in the UK as the US but there is not as much of it. Not as many procedures are preformed in The UK because there is only so much money to be spent.In the UK if they have enough money to treat X and X+Y comes into the hospital all those who fit into category Y do not receive treatment and have to wait and suffer. Look at Canada they lists for simple appendix removal procedures.
@Crowz What I mean is the amount of people that have disease / problem going to get it checked/treated , where the US falls down because of the peoplein poverty unable to pay. And here in the UK I dont think I have seen anything like what you are saying. In the UK if you are diagnosed with something so specialised that the NHS cannot do anything about ( a good 1 in 100 cases , so not often) they refer you to a private hospital free of charge. And there is as far as I and others can see(cont)
@Crowz any non treatment for the sake of keeping money , only because the average hospital doesn't have specialist staff on hand for the off chance that the 1 in a thousand person comes in with that disease. And if so, like I have said they are refered to a private hospital free of charge.
The average hospital should have personnel capable of preforming surgeries. You can only pay them to do so many surgeries. Everyone who needs care but can't be afforded is put on a list. This is called rationing and it is the reason public health care fails. When you say 1 in a thousand you are being misleading. Only so many procedures can be preformed in one day in a public system. Using a private hospital defeats the purpose. You are then paying for taxes and treatment.
@Crowz By the nature of public healthcare , if you come in with like 10 different diseases then if they are serious enough then you could get them all cured as long as those treatments don't take too long. if the hospital can afford has nothing to do with it , people would be getting fired and there would be riots in thd streets ( ones about this anyway XD)if anything like this was uncovered.
You are saying the hospitals have unlimited money? One Doctor can only do so much. So yes in Canada if you need a procedure like getting your appendix removed you have to wait because the hospital can only preform so many appendectomies and if it is something less serious you have to wait even longer. The hospital can only do what it can afford so yes the amount of money it has matters. If they can't pay for doctors and equipment the procedure doesn' get done.
@Crowz I'm saying that waiting for the money to come to do an operation is not the reason for waiting lists. The only reason is the fact that the doctors can't do 2 operations at once. If you can provide me with any evidence that prove doctors wait for their paychecks to come before doing operations then I can give you £50 ($80)
No one is saying anything different. You are missing the point. They can only pay so many doctors in Canada. In the U.S. anyone with insurance or many can get treatment when they need it. The only lists are transplant lists. Thus you get care faster in the U.S. and it is affordable and not run by government organizations which ration care and create price controls.
@Crowz The only reason the US is faster is because a Canadian hospital takes in everyone from say , a 20 mile radius. In the US , there are different hospitals for how much you want to pay ect. and due to the fact that they wont get clogged up with 17 year olds with bottle fragments in their head from a bar fight because you generally don't have the money to go to a hospital , the same way a child doesn't buy stuff online because he has to ask in the first place , even if the thing is less (cont
It's almost like the free market gets care to the people who need it when they need it. Provided they and there parents have health insurance where as Canada gives results like this.
It doesn't help any when we pull representatives from countries like the U.K. who have a working social healthcare system and find the ONE person who disagrees with it and STICK THEM ON FOX news of all places and then say "see, it's not working"......people in this country eat that up! Germany, France, Canada, and the U.K. (to name but a few) all have social medical systems and they are doing just fine. Please do not put all us Americans into one bucket, at least half of us want social health.
Sadly, our politicians did listen to the misrepresentations of M.E.P. Mr. Daniel Hannon and the mouthpiece of the corporatocracy Fox channel. I do not use the word news in their title because as any sane person realizes, Fox does nothing but speak for the corporations and the elitist population of Amerikkka! Soon enough, the people of America, will realize the foolhardy nature of continuing down the path of corporatocracy and stop the madness. To continue as a country we must if not we are lost
The health system in the US is somewhat misrepresented here.
Of course treatment is prioritized based on need, it's illegal for a hospital to deny life-saving/disability-preventing care based on the patient's ability to pay. It's not a purely free-market system and it's not so cruel and emotionless as British people seem to think.
Now I do support a more nationalized health service in the US, but let's not deceive ourselves into thinking this will affect anything more than preventive medicine.
At least that fox clip provides the world with an example and explanation for America's madness. The corporations that run the government and the media don't want to do anything good for the people. The leaders have a great deal of disdain for the citizenry and feel the ignorant masses must not only be kept ignorant and ill informed but be led as sheep which, since so many are religious and love the idea of being part of a flock and shirking any person responsibility, are perfectly fine with.
in romania land where road cross chicken, we have a similar system to great britain and i can say It sucks.. exactly what this guy is saying is happening here.
"Health care in Romania is generally poor by European standards, and access is limited in certain rural areas. The system has been funded by the National Health Care Insurance Fund, to which employers and employees make mandatory contributions. Because of low public funding, about 36 percent of the population’s health care spending is out-of-pocket. Bribes frequently are paid to gain improved treatment"
@andreo Yea dude i know =)) i live there .. its not poor =)) your'e pretty dead if you get a serious illness and you don't have a lot of money so its pretty much worse than bad :D , + our doctors are moving to other countries cause they are soooo underpaid.
Well after some research i can say its actually not the same at all .. well from my view both america's system and the uk's are better.
@Akirilus Well, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying: U.S. healthcare is horrible. But I've been on both ends of the spectrum. Insured +lots of cash and uninsured and poor. While uninsured a trip to a dentist for a toothache = removed tooth. It doesn't matter if it can be saved or not. Add cash or insurance and all of a sudden teeth can be saved. Uninsured and simple heath complaints = 12 hour waits for a 10 minute visit with the doctor. Insured cuts it down to a 30 - 45 minute wait.
We have hardly any control over our government over here. People that run are secretly on one side, the corporate side. Until we put as much threat on politicians as the dark forces do we will never have a true Representative Republic.
America is, in most areas, the county with the best available health-care, WHEN money isn't an issue. The free market allows for expensive, yet cutting edge advancements, available for the rich. I'd still pick playability over more cutting edge health care available for the rich.
It's also interesting that in the US they generally have to pay blood donors to donate, whereas in Britain donations are given freely. Perhaps it's a cultural difference, but I simply don't understand it.
Fox News isn't news it's Nazi Propaganda, for the rightwing of United States politices. they are the main reason why we have all the problems in the United States & in the world. with there hate, racism, lies & hatred for Muslims or anyone that is not a white christian. they are very evil and they are tearing down the united states. if the usa falls into the conservatives hands the whole world is in danager !!!
Today's Radical Left want to be the Conservatives of Tomorrow. If they win then Today's Conservatives will become Tomorrow's Radicals. Politics is so circular! --Your spew is simply Left Propaganda. The left is the reasons the USA has so many problems. They use govt to foster hate, racism, lies, oppress the People and tear US down. The world needs real conservatism and not the elitists' false- socialism. --Nobama has done more to give govt&corporations all $&power than anybody.
soak your head in social democracy ... progressivism ... socialism ... elitism ... and such and you've got that drug. I was raised on this stuff!!! ... It's just crap! ... But it's lethal injection crap as opposed to noose or firing squad or electric chair stuff. I'm NOT discussing the relative value universal health care! That would be great! ... I'm discussing the relative intention of govt in saying IT will do the job right. If you believe that then you took the injection.
When I converted to conservatism from progressivism, (1979ish), Beck was a drunk teenager who only cared about his next lay and beverage. -(BTW: Adding -ism to a noun shows it as a distinctive doctrine, philosophy, or guiding principle. So its a word!) -To put it simply, so you are not confused, it doesn't matter whether govt dictate creeps slowly into control or comes as a blitzkrieg. You're still owned! It is the intention of govt to own you and dictate your life.
Giantolism is not a word. Giantism is! Relativism is! -Dietary Relativism is the idea that nutrition choices are dependent on individual need and environmental provision. -Language works with -isms. -Which -ism set you off? --LOL! To that 'wisdom' crack! As you are a puppy you would not know Wisdom if it bit your ankle. But when you are older, and wiser, you'll see it and feel the shame of trying to scam a Wise Old Man- me! That is if govt hasn't dictated your death!
@mallardhead scam? wow, you are indeed stupid. Continue being scared of your surroundings. I heard there are serious benefits of not leaving the domestic environs. Like not voting. In your case, this is a significant advantage to society, seeing as you are a "death-er", one who believes at face value the lies spread by your teacher, Ms Palin, who may be your equal or even inferior to your own stupidity. have fun in your ignorance, basically.
Scam- a scheme initiated for some gain. You challenge the Wise Old Man, call him "stupid" for correctly using a word, and don't even realize you're wagging your tail in your own poop and thinking yourself smart. --Warning: Not everything you hear is true. I wouldn't know about that 'not getting out' thing, as I'm out often- especially to vote for true Conservatism. --Let's see... Palin is 10 yrs younger, but schooled in economic logic as proven by her term in Alaska, when she
when she successfully took down an oil giant, making it pay the Alaskan People. --So if she's stupid, but did that as an example for Nobama, then he is Ridiculously STUPID for not following it. Unless serving Big Corporations is his real goal!--If that makes me ignorant then you are Ridiculously IGNORANT for being his puppy and for not understanding the economic facts behind "death-er" logic. --Have fun wagging your tail in your poop, puppy!
mallardhead's Rules of the Internet #2: When @ on any site always respond (especially when challenged by a TROLL- because magic may happen and the TROLL may get a life, get a heart and become human). #3: Trolling or even chumming is a great way to attract to attract good conversations or a real TROLL (but never mistake 'trolling' for a TROLL). BTW- #1: Follow the Golden Rule, the Silver Lining Rule and the Dark Cloud Rule.
...besides... per rule # 2, your Trollishness gives me the platform to say whatever I want about whatever may be close to the topic.... Like that Nobama slam I just put down that shows Palin is actually smarter and Nobama is REALLY a BIG govt, BIG Corporation, "feed" the richest at the expense of the mere rich and of course at the expense of the not rich, PIG he is! Not bad, eh, Giantolist?
contradiction between the data the second man said and the last. One said cancer, stroke, heart disease were better... the other said they're bad, unacceptable... and "Need not Ability" means those with ability cover the need no matter what you may say. ... the UK doctors opposed the NHS and you have very few to cover your population...
I'm not being mean but "far better now" is a DUH statement! Everything in med is better due to advances in sci tech. - Hannen's idea was it does not meet expectations because of limits to services. - I recently looked at causes of death in the US. No surprise! Bad diet and poor exercise! Stress! - Obama did his deed and killed a workable system! - Guy Fawkes was the Bill Ayers of his day! -
as an American I have to Apologize for the attitudes and comments of some of my countrymen/women, A large portion of this country has been brainwashed from a young age to believe that any kind of social system or socialism=pure evil, They are taught that social program funding=stealing from their wallets.
the hypocrisy will find with them is that they love the public school system for example, Enlarge they are also Christian creationists...nuff said there.
Fox News is the most unreliable news center in my country these people report what they want these people are the people that make me ashamed to be an American!
arhm... a huge part (if not all) of Europe is running a similar program. In my own country, Luxembourg, no one would E V E R consider global healthcare a bad thing. Even the right would say it's madness to change this...
The US things they're always ahead of everyone, but they're actually more than 50 years behind in healthcare (and others)
the good trusting citizens here will see in 2013, when the benefits kick in (after paying heavily taxes now) that Obamacare is a bill about control, not healthcare. Doctors leaving their practice, no lawsuit reform, total government intervention, private army etc. The off shore banking cartel w/ Obama as their mouthpiece are now forcing the helpless to BUY insurance... I have friends who cannot afford this MANDATE! Next, say bye bye to preventive alternative care and HELLO to Big Pharma!
That guy can F'himself, Canada has a much better Health Care System than the US as it stands, I walked into a clinic was seen immediately (no exaggeration) got a prescription for anti-biotics, walked into the on site pharmacy, and paid $5, for the $60+ dollar pills, ($5 that I got back latter thru. Blue Cross) The clinic was 3 blocks away. Seriously, the US health system panders to the rich, and the insurance companies. NOT the people.
And we (in the States) aren't even talking about a national health service. We're not even talking about national health insurance. We're just talking about expanding health insurance coverage.
And for this we have a growing number of extremists talking revolution.
@kufr72 You telling me.I just don't get these people.I have yet to meet the person that has come out of a hospital happy and sure that they will be able to pay the bill they accumulated.I know people who have literally gone bankrupt under our current system.But these fools still talk this nonsense until it's their turn, until it's their insurance company that denies coverage or hmms and haws stalling paying you hoping you will just give up and go away.Sad Really
@gamesmaster35 I get my facts from life.I have had friends and family who have gone to the hospital for unexpected illnesses and lost their shirts trying to pay their bill.Just recently my Aunt had to put a second mortgage on her home to pay for surgery that was higher than what she had in the bank.So sorry to bust that bubble you're living in but health care is hardly affordable to everyone.
Even barbarians provide care to their tribe irrespective of ability to finance it, so I can't even begin to think of a derogatory term low enough for the sub-animal creatures which support privatised health-lack-of-care. The NHS is a model mirrored worldwide in most of the leading nations in the world for healthcare quality.
Well the mistake you have in this video is assuming that the average American has any input into the debate. It is carried on in-between the elite and the only input we have is to complain to our congress which is undermined by the legal practice of bribery called lobbying and campaign finance. The American government is setup to keep the majority out of the political system. It is an Oligarchy of the Corporate Elite so America will not see a Universal Health Care Plan.
mymojorisin said in part:"Well the mistake you have in this video is assuming that the average American has any input into the debate. It is carried on in-between the elite and the only input we have is to complain to our congress which is undermined by the legal practice of bribery called lobbying and campaign finance. The American government is setup to keep the majority out of the political system. It is an Oligarchy of the Corporate Elite."
mymojorisin, yes, so many Americans think they're living in a democracy, as if they have any real say in anything important.
But you might see a reasonable health care plan if the powers that be think it will be advantageous in some way... a vote winner for their pet politicians, a sweetener, or whatever.
Nope, I've had numerous operations and treatments and literally had my life saved 3 times by the NHS (severe asthma attacks including at one point a suspected collapsed lung). All free.
Now, the waiting lists and overcrowding can be a bugger at times but there's still Private Healthcare here too for those who want to "fast track".
What Americans lack is the CHOICE. Sure if you don't like a social healthcare don't use it, but don't deny it to the poorer segment of society.
Wow, the message of Daniel Hannon and a few others was a big factor for me. I thought, "These people have personally experienced this stuff. I should listen to them." After seeing this, I have to reconsider some things. Thanks for this dprjones.
I know there's various theories and explanation for Hannon's motives but the simple fact is nobody here had heard of him here and the vast majority certainly don't agree with him.
dprjones, I owe you a sincere apology sir. After watching just the first minute or so I had rated you 1 star. THEN I realized that you AREN'T one of those dimwits! I hope more stick it out to the end! Good job!!
If you want to convince me that the British healthcare system is a good one you need to provide statistics, interviews with physicians, show a tour of a typical hospital, etc. But please, please, don't give me political rhetoric from guys who depend on the votes of NHS workers to get elected or re-elected. This is NOT a convincing video by a long shot. And by the way, since when does a politician have to be popular to be accurate in what he says? This video is a waste of time.
FreeLibertarian, it's rhetoric from one politician pretending to represent his party (which party says he does not) repudiated by politicians stating why he's wrong. Neither side provided proof.
dprjones, thank you for posting this video. I'm living in Canada and I spend a lot of time trying to explain to Americans how UHC really isn't that bad.
One of the most fucked up things is how good US health insurance costs more than my entire yearly income tax in Canada.
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so you've got one retired man sitting at a table outside that disagrees with someone that was interviewed by fox news. in no way was the man being interviewed (on fox news) affiliated with fox news and then at the end of your video you say DONT LISTEN TO FOX NEWS because of its all-sides fair reporting. the news is supppose to report and/or investigate. the news isnt suppose to only interview people only on their side if there is even a "their side". is the news not balanced in the uk?
So it is fair and balanced news when they put forward a person who stands for the views shared by a small fraction of the population as a representative of the entire population?
Fox news has the opinion that universal health is bad and they are reporting accordingly.
The hosts often state their opinion so clearly that I find it hard to believe that anyone can think of fox news as fair and balanced. So even in this case.
It is way better here we dont have to wait moths to see specialists!! More people die in Canada from cancer than in America because some medicines are too expensive for the Socialist Healthcare system......
Yes there is something wrong with Socialism. Some people work harder than others therefore deserve to make more! These are facts that Canadas cancer death rates are higher. They give out the less expensive drugs because certain ones that may work better are too expensive to be giving out to everyone.
Its really not that hard to understand dont be an idiot......
Socialism allows for people to gain more as a result of more work and effort. You clearly fail to understand the political systems at work here. Socialism is the practice of allowing the government to take control of key assets of the society such as roads, so that standards may be applied. We in America already practice socialistic past times, roads for instance are not maintained by private entities but the government.
I'm not asking you to restate your fact in regards to Canada's cancer death rates, I'm asking for references. Where did you get your information about the higher death rates? Where can I go check and see for myself?
Please bar Ad-Hominem in the future, it makes your message harder to swallow.
In addition you failed to list any actual drugs that you could prove were too expensive for the socialist healthcare systems. Therefore all that can be assumed is that your wildly speculating until you present hard facts to back up your claim.
@UndercoverCracker so what if some people do? Does that mean that those that don't work as hard should die because they can't afford decent medical attention?How does this line of thought address the possibility that some people that work hard still make less than others that don't work but are rich anyway, or don't work as hard but are rich anyway?Oh... it dosen't?If you work hard you should be rich? Your thoughts are that of a 5 year old.If I do A I ALWAYS get B. Reality don't work that way.
@gamesmaster35 Are you serious? There are plenty of "poor" people that can still afford health care in this country. I dont know where you hear your facts but theyre obviously not accurate. Many people choose to not work and dont want to take care of themselves because they want the government to do everything for them. Plenty of people are just lazy.
was that Fox in the states that poached a selected numbnut to interview? yeah it was 8(
Not holding back on this one.
Considering Australia is leading the world in economic reform, infrastructure spending and I wonder where Australia sits on the GDP spending Vs our Medicare.
One thing I can say is the pharmecutical companies will welcome a National Health System and the doctors will still get paid well, just not considered god's anymore.
MAN: Hi Doc. DOC: Hey Mr common, please sit down. MAN: So doc... what's wrong with me? DOC: Well you have liver failure. I'm very sorry. MAN: Well what will happen to me? DOC: Well, your insurance doesn't seem to cover you. MAN: What! DOC: Yes you are too poor to have life saving surgery. MAN: So what will happen to me? DOC: Well.. *Security guards throw out Mr common onto the street* DOC: NEXT! The NHS has saved my life, and the life's of many people I know.
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NHS has played a part in many deaths fool.......A man in Canada had to wait to see a specialist about his brain tumor and byt the time he could see the speiclaist he was DEAD.
MAN: Hi Doctor.
DOC: Hi Person Im treating...
MAN: So how about my cancer? Its been a while.....
DOC: Well we have to give you this less effective medicine because its cheaper.
Shona Holmes was lied to by an American doctor so he could make $100,000 off her worried, gullible ass. She was on a waiting list for her CYST so that people in Canada who ACTUALLY have REAL tumors could get treated right away! I don't know about you, but I don't have 100k kicking around for tumors that aren't even there. If I had to rely on a for-profit healthcare system, I'd surely be dead by now. I guess people who aren't rich are just lazy and deserve to die.
I'm not clear what you mean. Do you mean that if I have a benign cyst in my pituitary gland, and I wrongly imagine that it's a tumour, I should have it out immediately? I agree, and that's exactly what Holmes re-mortgaged her house and travelled to a foreign country to do. But within Canada, people who actually have real, dangerous conditions get treatment right away, and I like that.
To think that people are not rich exclusively because of laziness is about as idealistic as communism.
I can respect remortaging your house to have a benign cyst out sooner rather than later; we all have our values and priorities. Although I'd be curious to know why the same chemical formula produces results of different quality in different countries. And hard work certainly pays off, I agree with that - although not necessarily in the sense of having $100,000 available to drop on a medical condition... but that might be my own stupidity making me forget that only lazy bums have incomes so tiny.
Money equals better medicines and technology. You guys are stuck with Universal healthcare forever now, no wonder you try to make it seem like its so good......Thats what humans do. We tell ourselves we have the best this or that even when its not.
But conveniently, Americans aren't merely "telling themselves" that their healthcare SYSTEM (yes, I said system - obviously the healthcare itself is excellent if you can get it) is good. They're the ones who are correctly informed. People who have universal healthcare are the ones who are all misinformed, and just following human nature by telling ourselves lies, is that it? How very very convenient.
Is it conceivable that you're just trying to convince yourself that the American system is better? Not saying that you are, just that that seems like a poor argument for whether a system is better or worse than another. "You're just telling yourself that" does't seem to get very far, to me anyway.
Universal Health Care is a system by which all people are granted inherent health care by the government. Furthermore those that wish to have their own healthcare system are permitted to, they simply have to do hunting of their own. You will not be forced to take the government health care plan, you will simply be given an option to.
The money our healthcare makes goes to finding more technology for gods sake. You have to wait way longer to see specialists for your problems.......Government running healthcare when they have way to much shit to handle already? I dont think so! Plus your survival rates are worse.........People here who dont even make much money can get great healthcare.
If you have no insurance / no money you can get good health care for free in U.K.
If you don't want to wait & want to pay privately (as my mother did for a hip replacement) then you do so, just as in the U.S.... but *we* have a choice
You can take out whatever private insurance you want to, or might have it in a salary package, just as in the U.S.
You make assumptions about how you figure it must be but you don't know. And aren't iatrogenic death rates higher in the US anyway?
Cracker, "the money our healthcare makes goes to finding more technology for gods sake" Don't be so naive. None of what is paid to doctors goes to research
Some earn extra FROM research (e.g. endorsing drugs, taking kickbacks, signing off on research they haven't read)
Their earnings go to 1) massively expensive malpractice cover (Insurers exploiting both sides there) and 2) the docs' Mercedes, golf club, big houses, their kids' college.
There is no NHS in Canada, that's in Britain. Way to be informed about what you're talking about. Can you tell me which jurisdiction healthcare falls under in Canada, Mr. I-know-better-than-you?
Cancers are treated by radio- and chemotherapy, not "medicine," and there are no bean-counting civil servants deciding what treatment patients get.
I live in a country with universal healthcare, and I cannot imagine the shitstorm that would break loose if the government would try to remove it.
yvranx 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
I baffles me that people can't imagine that, a thick supportweb and a free market economy can/will coexist.
/Regards, Sweden.
Kinjamaimai 3 weeks ago 2
It is amusing how people can reject the religion of the deity only to replace it with another type of religion.
bnzss 4 weeks ago
Wow, this guy gives me a horrible feeling in my stomach. As soon as he came on, "Because as one friend to another, we're warning you of a mistake you're about to make". He should be ashamed of himself for this bullshit..Thank you for the quality video Dpr.
b33p3rz 4 months ago
(cont.) Let’s just let the future play out. We’ll see how well the UK system works in another 50 years.
drshlotzkin 4 months ago
Healthcare isn't the fundamental argument, stop playing on peoples’ emotions. This is about using force to take money from someone to give it to someone else. We became the greatest country with the greatest healthcare (before massive government involvement) not based on a commie/socialist ideology. In the past when we had charity and church run hospitals NO ONE was turned away AND NO ONE had to wait. Don’t feed me this shit of government run healthcare.(cont.)
drshlotzkin 4 months ago
That clip of Cameron is a reminder of just how hypocritical the Tory party is.
petarphyle 4 months ago
XD when Hannon said "fox restore sanity" that was funny
GothLemmon 5 months ago
I bet the poor in the USA dying of preventable causes, would love to get in a waiting line for some health care.
Republicans are immoral, and don't want to help the poor.
Futureplanet 6 months ago
Fuck the UK and fuck you. I'm done with people saying life expectencey means your heathcare is effective. That statistic does not matter.
Crowz 7 months ago
@Crowz ...yes it does. If people die of a disease that can be cured then most of the time it'll bring down the life expectancy. The only real factors in life expectance is the state of the healthcare , and the state of the country , like how somalia will have a low one because people have died from the civil wars there.
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
Many factors affect life expectancy and many are the personal choices of the individuals themselves. If you want to look at how effective your health care is then the only statistic that matters is treatment. I. E. The time in between diagnosis and being cured. In the U.K. and Canada they engage in rationing so if you have a curable disease you will be for to wait because they can only spend so much money on health care. Rather then getting treated you get put on a list.
Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz DO you have any proof of this? If I got up and went to the hospital with some disease right now , I would be taken in immediately and given diagnosis's , and depending if the disease is serious I could be taken right to the treatment. And what also matters is how many people die of preventable diseases , which means the US is way on down there. And also , honestly even if you have to come back in a week for treatment (cont)
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@Crowz what really matters is if it gets treated or not. As long as time does not come into the persons problem (like cancer or a disease that is getting worse by the day ) then a healthcare system could be the best in the world and still have you wait for a week to get your treatment. Time is a luxurary in healthcare.
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. The same quality of health care is provided in the UK as the US but there is not as much of it. Not as many procedures are preformed in The UK because there is only so much money to be spent.In the UK if they have enough money to treat X and X+Y comes into the hospital all those who fit into category Y do not receive treatment and have to wait and suffer. Look at Canada they lists for simple appendix removal procedures.
Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz What I mean is the amount of people that have disease / problem going to get it checked/treated , where the US falls down because of the peoplein poverty unable to pay. And here in the UK I dont think I have seen anything like what you are saying. In the UK if you are diagnosed with something so specialised that the NHS cannot do anything about ( a good 1 in 100 cases , so not often) they refer you to a private hospital free of charge. And there is as far as I and others can see(cont)
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@Crowz any non treatment for the sake of keeping money , only because the average hospital doesn't have specialist staff on hand for the off chance that the 1 in a thousand person comes in with that disease. And if so, like I have said they are refered to a private hospital free of charge.
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos sorry , 'any non treatment IS NOT for the sake of keeping money ' , typo
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
The average hospital should have personnel capable of preforming surgeries. You can only pay them to do so many surgeries. Everyone who needs care but can't be afforded is put on a list. This is called rationing and it is the reason public health care fails. When you say 1 in a thousand you are being misleading. Only so many procedures can be preformed in one day in a public system. Using a private hospital defeats the purpose. You are then paying for taxes and treatment.
Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz By the nature of public healthcare , if you come in with like 10 different diseases then if they are serious enough then you could get them all cured as long as those treatments don't take too long. if the hospital can afford has nothing to do with it , people would be getting fired and there would be riots in thd streets ( ones about this anyway XD)if anything like this was uncovered.
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
You are saying the hospitals have unlimited money? One Doctor can only do so much. So yes in Canada if you need a procedure like getting your appendix removed you have to wait because the hospital can only preform so many appendectomies and if it is something less serious you have to wait even longer. The hospital can only do what it can afford so yes the amount of money it has matters. If they can't pay for doctors and equipment the procedure doesn' get done.
Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz I'm saying that waiting for the money to come to do an operation is not the reason for waiting lists. The only reason is the fact that the doctors can't do 2 operations at once. If you can provide me with any evidence that prove doctors wait for their paychecks to come before doing operations then I can give you £50 ($80)
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
No one is saying anything different. You are missing the point. They can only pay so many doctors in Canada. In the U.S. anyone with insurance or many can get treatment when they need it. The only lists are transplant lists. Thus you get care faster in the U.S. and it is affordable and not run by government organizations which ration care and create price controls.
Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz The only reason the US is faster is because a Canadian hospital takes in everyone from say , a 20 mile radius. In the US , there are different hospitals for how much you want to pay ect. and due to the fact that they wont get clogged up with 17 year olds with bottle fragments in their head from a bar fight because you generally don't have the money to go to a hospital , the same way a child doesn't buy stuff online because he has to ask in the first place , even if the thing is less (cont
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos than a dollar / pound.
ThatKidWithTheVideos 5 months ago
@ThatKidWithTheVideos
It's almost like the free market gets care to the people who need it when they need it. Provided they and there parents have health insurance where as Canada gives results like this.
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Crowz 5 months ago
@Crowz How can you even say dumb shit like this? What's your fucking problem. Come on.
devourerofbabies 4 months ago
@devourerofbabies
There is nothing dumb about saying that life expectancy is based on personal choices and not just health care.
Crowz 4 months ago
Daniel Hannan called the BNP a far left party. That shows his intellectual honesty.....or lack thereof.
DaHonestAbe 9 months ago
It doesn't help any when we pull representatives from countries like the U.K. who have a working social healthcare system and find the ONE person who disagrees with it and STICK THEM ON FOX news of all places and then say "see, it's not working"......people in this country eat that up! Germany, France, Canada, and the U.K. (to name but a few) all have social medical systems and they are doing just fine. Please do not put all us Americans into one bucket, at least half of us want social health.
Antimidation 10 months ago
If Prescott wears a tie and a belt at the same time he turns into sausages.
crabbit101 11 months ago
Daniel Hannon should of been suspended from the conservative party
kkrules13 11 months ago
Sadly, our politicians did listen to the misrepresentations of M.E.P. Mr. Daniel Hannon and the mouthpiece of the corporatocracy Fox channel. I do not use the word news in their title because as any sane person realizes, Fox does nothing but speak for the corporations and the elitist population of Amerikkka! Soon enough, the people of America, will realize the foolhardy nature of continuing down the path of corporatocracy and stop the madness. To continue as a country we must if not we are lost
journeyer58 11 months ago
Daniel Hannan is such an ass.
angrydead 1 year ago
Love my healthcare system here...
-Canada
whatnameisavailablee 1 year ago 5
@whatnameisavailablee Seconded! All the way with you there!
andruh99 11 months ago
Where did the film of mr prescott come from? do you know him?
shaolinfingajab 1 year ago
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I'm American and hope we have something similar to the NHS someday. The bill recently passed by Obama is lacking substantially.
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Someideasandstuff 1 year ago
The health system in the US is somewhat misrepresented here.
Of course treatment is prioritized based on need, it's illegal for a hospital to deny life-saving/disability-preventing care based on the patient's ability to pay. It's not a purely free-market system and it's not so cruel and emotionless as British people seem to think.
Now I do support a more nationalized health service in the US, but let's not deceive ourselves into thinking this will affect anything more than preventive medicine.
VitalVampyr 1 year ago
At least that fox clip provides the world with an example and explanation for America's madness. The corporations that run the government and the media don't want to do anything good for the people. The leaders have a great deal of disdain for the citizenry and feel the ignorant masses must not only be kept ignorant and ill informed but be led as sheep which, since so many are religious and love the idea of being part of a flock and shirking any person responsibility, are perfectly fine with.
scotty 1 year ago
in romania land where road cross chicken, we have a similar system to great britain and i can say It sucks.. exactly what this guy is saying is happening here.
Akirilus 1 year ago
@Akirilus Funny, seem the same:
"Health care in Romania is generally poor by European standards, and access is limited in certain rural areas. The system has been funded by the National Health Care Insurance Fund, to which employers and employees make mandatory contributions. Because of low public funding, about 36 percent of the population’s health care spending is out-of-pocket. Bribes frequently are paid to gain improved treatment"
andreo 1 year ago
@andreo Yea dude i know =)) i live there .. its not poor =)) your'e pretty dead if you get a serious illness and you don't have a lot of money so its pretty much worse than bad :D , + our doctors are moving to other countries cause they are soooo underpaid.
Well after some research i can say its actually not the same at all .. well from my view both america's system and the uk's are better.
Akirilus 1 year ago
@Akirilus Well, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying: U.S. healthcare is horrible. But I've been on both ends of the spectrum. Insured +lots of cash and uninsured and poor. While uninsured a trip to a dentist for a toothache = removed tooth. It doesn't matter if it can be saved or not. Add cash or insurance and all of a sudden teeth can be saved. Uninsured and simple heath complaints = 12 hour waits for a 10 minute visit with the doctor. Insured cuts it down to a 30 - 45 minute wait.
andreo 1 year ago
Canada has a similar socialist medical care system, and I talked to a Canadian on Youtube, once. It's in the comments section of this video:
v=lKQZnauaaLo
As you can see, from reading that conversation, socialized health care isn't perfect.
dstebbin 1 year ago
Why would anyone let their corrupt government run their health care. The government can keep the change I'll keep my health care as is.
cwood4ever 1 year ago
Fuck fox "news" I wonder how much hannity is getting paid to say shit like that.
615Deathdealer 1 year ago
We have hardly any control over our government over here. People that run are secretly on one side, the corporate side. Until we put as much threat on politicians as the dark forces do we will never have a true Representative Republic.
screwopenborders 1 year ago
America is, in most areas, the county with the best available health-care, WHEN money isn't an issue. The free market allows for expensive, yet cutting edge advancements, available for the rich. I'd still pick playability over more cutting edge health care available for the rich.
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
It's also interesting that in the US they generally have to pay blood donors to donate, whereas in Britain donations are given freely. Perhaps it's a cultural difference, but I simply don't understand it.
catalyst8 1 year ago
queenastilon, you're clueless - but funny, in an ignorant kind of way.
lusoamericana 1 year ago
My two experiences with the Nation Health Service can be summed up in two words ... LIFE SAVING
DannyDzeko 1 year ago
@morehate4uall
and I'm glad you are, too! .. now! to prioritize LIFE so everyone is okay!
mallardhead 1 year ago
Fox News isn't news it's Nazi Propaganda, for the rightwing of United States politices. they are the main reason why we have all the problems in the United States & in the world. with there hate, racism, lies & hatred for Muslims or anyone that is not a white christian. they are very evil and they are tearing down the united states. if the usa falls into the conservatives hands the whole world is in danager !!!
unelmitchell 1 year ago
@unelmitchell
Today's Radical Left want to be the Conservatives of Tomorrow. If they win then Today's Conservatives will become Tomorrow's Radicals. Politics is so circular! --Your spew is simply Left Propaganda. The left is the reasons the USA has so many problems. They use govt to foster hate, racism, lies, oppress the People and tear US down. The world needs real conservatism and not the elitists' false- socialism. --Nobama has done more to give govt&corporations all $&power than anybody.
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead i'll take what your smoking! this much paranoia can only be drug induced.
ennuiandthensome 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
soak your head in social democracy ... progressivism ... socialism ... elitism ... and such and you've got that drug. I was raised on this stuff!!! ... It's just crap! ... But it's lethal injection crap as opposed to noose or firing squad or electric chair stuff. I'm NOT discussing the relative value universal health care! That would be great! ... I'm discussing the relative intention of govt in saying IT will do the job right. If you believe that then you took the injection.
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead Omg, Glenn beck has found youtube!
(by the way, putting the suffix -ism on a noun doesnt make it a word....)
your argument is really too confusing to make it worth unraveling.
ennuiandthensome 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
When I converted to conservatism from progressivism, (1979ish), Beck was a drunk teenager who only cared about his next lay and beverage. -(BTW: Adding -ism to a noun shows it as a distinctive doctrine, philosophy, or guiding principle. So its a word!) -To put it simply, so you are not confused, it doesn't matter whether govt dictate creeps slowly into control or comes as a blitzkrieg. You're still owned! It is the intention of govt to own you and dictate your life.
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead finally a coherent sentence, albeit a "back in my day..." one. *sigh* can't win every battle.
your giantolism is scaring the crap out of everyone's dietary relativism. (catch my drift?)
And i am very confused. I thought with age came wisdom. My Confusionism is piquing. (no, not Confucianism)
ennuiandthensome 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
Giantolism is not a word. Giantism is! Relativism is! -Dietary Relativism is the idea that nutrition choices are dependent on individual need and environmental provision. -Language works with -isms. -Which -ism set you off? --LOL! To that 'wisdom' crack! As you are a puppy you would not know Wisdom if it bit your ankle. But when you are older, and wiser, you'll see it and feel the shame of trying to scam a Wise Old Man- me! That is if govt hasn't dictated your death!
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead scam? wow, you are indeed stupid. Continue being scared of your surroundings. I heard there are serious benefits of not leaving the domestic environs. Like not voting. In your case, this is a significant advantage to society, seeing as you are a "death-er", one who believes at face value the lies spread by your teacher, Ms Palin, who may be your equal or even inferior to your own stupidity. have fun in your ignorance, basically.
ennuiandthensome 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
Scam- a scheme initiated for some gain. You challenge the Wise Old Man, call him "stupid" for correctly using a word, and don't even realize you're wagging your tail in your own poop and thinking yourself smart. --Warning: Not everything you hear is true. I wouldn't know about that 'not getting out' thing, as I'm out often- especially to vote for true Conservatism. --Let's see... Palin is 10 yrs younger, but schooled in economic logic as proven by her term in Alaska, when she
mallardhead 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
when she successfully took down an oil giant, making it pay the Alaskan People. --So if she's stupid, but did that as an example for Nobama, then he is Ridiculously STUPID for not following it. Unless serving Big Corporations is his real goal!--If that makes me ignorant then you are Ridiculously IGNORANT for being his puppy and for not understanding the economic facts behind "death-er" logic. --Have fun wagging your tail in your poop, puppy!
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead Rules of the internet #14. Do not argue with trolls — it means that they win.
ennuiandthensome 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
mallardhead's Rules of the Internet #2: When @ on any site always respond (especially when challenged by a TROLL- because magic may happen and the TROLL may get a life, get a heart and become human). #3: Trolling or even chumming is a great way to attract to attract good conversations or a real TROLL (but never mistake 'trolling' for a TROLL). BTW- #1: Follow the Golden Rule, the Silver Lining Rule and the Dark Cloud Rule.
mallardhead 1 year ago
@ennuiandthensome
...besides... per rule # 2, your Trollishness gives me the platform to say whatever I want about whatever may be close to the topic.... Like that Nobama slam I just put down that shows Palin is actually smarter and Nobama is REALLY a BIG govt, BIG Corporation, "feed" the richest at the expense of the mere rich and of course at the expense of the not rich, PIG he is! Not bad, eh, Giantolist?
mallardhead 1 year ago
@morehate4uall
privatized health care saved mine - more than once!
mallardhead 1 year ago
Always the people who'll never be in need that take decisions for those they economically suffocate by their situation and decisions...
People will only be happy the day the last banker will be hanged with the guts of the last piker...
Acrimonator 1 year ago
Sean Hannity and Fox News are a moral vacuum. They simply parrot the concerns of big Insurance interests.
seamoremonster 1 year ago
contradiction between the data the second man said and the last. One said cancer, stroke, heart disease were better... the other said they're bad, unacceptable... and "Need not Ability" means those with ability cover the need no matter what you may say. ... the UK doctors opposed the NHS and you have very few to cover your population...
mallardhead 1 year ago
@mallardhead
He said that the rates for heart disease and strok/cancer etc were far better now than they were when the system was introduced.
Cameron said that our rates are still worse than many of the other first world countries today and need to be improved.
WoodenPotatoes 1 year ago
@WoodenPotatoes
I'm not being mean but "far better now" is a DUH statement! Everything in med is better due to advances in sci tech. - Hannen's idea was it does not meet expectations because of limits to services. - I recently looked at causes of death in the US. No surprise! Bad diet and poor exercise! Stress! - Obama did his deed and killed a workable system! - Guy Fawkes was the Bill Ayers of his day! -
mallardhead 1 year ago
Someone should really make Cameron write out those words and promises a thousand times before breakfast, every day. How he's betrayed us!
un2mensch 1 year ago
as an American I have to Apologize for the attitudes and comments of some of my countrymen/women, A large portion of this country has been brainwashed from a young age to believe that any kind of social system or socialism=pure evil, They are taught that social program funding=stealing from their wallets.
the hypocrisy will find with them is that they love the public school system for example, Enlarge they are also Christian creationists...nuff said there.
AshenTech 1 year ago
Fox News is the most unreliable news center in my country these people report what they want these people are the people that make me ashamed to be an American!
blitzkriegdragon013 1 year ago
5:05 -> 6:40
Prescott Pwnage.
oilotnoM 1 year ago
arhm... a huge part (if not all) of Europe is running a similar program. In my own country, Luxembourg, no one would E V E R consider global healthcare a bad thing. Even the right would say it's madness to change this...
The US things they're always ahead of everyone, but they're actually more than 50 years behind in healthcare (and others)
khyran 1 year ago 2
@morehate4uall
the NHS also saved my life
adelaxxx 1 year ago
@morehate4uall
and mine also
adelaxxx 1 year ago
EVERYONE should watch the related videos (Part2 to Part 5) for a devastating analysis of the distortions found in headlines about the NHS.
Fox News... Fair and Balanced?
Nope. Far from it. But then neither are certain segments of the British print media.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
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@hauskalainen
"But then neither are certain segments of the British print media"
Not surprising since the guy that own fox also owns half the british media
TheGodlessGuitarist 1 year ago
the good trusting citizens here will see in 2013, when the benefits kick in (after paying heavily taxes now) that Obamacare is a bill about control, not healthcare. Doctors leaving their practice, no lawsuit reform, total government intervention, private army etc. The off shore banking cartel w/ Obama as their mouthpiece are now forcing the helpless to BUY insurance... I have friends who cannot afford this MANDATE! Next, say bye bye to preventive alternative care and HELLO to Big Pharma!
whazupkiddo 1 year ago
"Fox Poll: 66% of Americans Believe the Worst is yet to come"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! You just can't be sooooo stupid!
razzihel 1 year ago
That guy can F'himself, Canada has a much better Health Care System than the US as it stands, I walked into a clinic was seen immediately (no exaggeration) got a prescription for anti-biotics, walked into the on site pharmacy, and paid $5, for the $60+ dollar pills, ($5 that I got back latter thru. Blue Cross) The clinic was 3 blocks away. Seriously, the US health system panders to the rich, and the insurance companies. NOT the people.
janaoo4 1 year ago
the NHS is the best health care system in the world that MEP prick does not speak for the british poeple
kevinkards1 1 year ago
Denmark has the best Health Care System in the world. Or maybe Norway.
rv186rs 1 year ago
Daniel Hannon is such a useless, rabble rousing, publicity whore.
Jdrizzz 1 year ago 2
How would mortality rate go up, politics aside, medical research would decrease it!
Golkarian 2 years ago
And we (in the States) aren't even talking about a national health service. We're not even talking about national health insurance. We're just talking about expanding health insurance coverage.
And for this we have a growing number of extremists talking revolution.
:/
kufr72 2 years ago
@kufr72 You telling me.I just don't get these people.I have yet to meet the person that has come out of a hospital happy and sure that they will be able to pay the bill they accumulated.I know people who have literally gone bankrupt under our current system.But these fools still talk this nonsense until it's their turn, until it's their insurance company that denies coverage or hmms and haws stalling paying you hoping you will just give up and go away.Sad Really
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35 I get my facts from life.I have had friends and family who have gone to the hospital for unexpected illnesses and lost their shirts trying to pay their bill.Just recently my Aunt had to put a second mortgage on her home to pay for surgery that was higher than what she had in the bank.So sorry to bust that bubble you're living in but health care is hardly affordable to everyone.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
many of us would be dead now if it werent for the NHS! I know my mother would be, and that would have meant i wouldnt have existed.
Hannon is a small minded fanatic, he is perfect for Fox News.
artyfarty2 2 years ago
nice one dpr
artyfarty2 2 years ago
fuck me, i've never agreed with prescott before. it feels weird.
didn't know what camerons opinions was since all i heard was "blaaaaaaaahhhhh"
Raedan23 2 years ago
Even barbarians provide care to their tribe irrespective of ability to finance it, so I can't even begin to think of a derogatory term low enough for the sub-animal creatures which support privatised health-lack-of-care. The NHS is a model mirrored worldwide in most of the leading nations in the world for healthcare quality.
sunyavadin 2 years ago 2
@sunyavadin
"I can't even begin to think"
That seems to be a common problem with your sort.
Guncriminal 1 year ago
That's a slap in Hannon's face. He deserved it.
RaychSeldon33 2 years ago
Well the mistake you have in this video is assuming that the average American has any input into the debate. It is carried on in-between the elite and the only input we have is to complain to our congress which is undermined by the legal practice of bribery called lobbying and campaign finance. The American government is setup to keep the majority out of the political system. It is an Oligarchy of the Corporate Elite so America will not see a Universal Health Care Plan.
mymojorisin 2 years ago 2
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mymojorisin said in part:"Well the mistake you have in this video is assuming that the average American has any input into the debate. It is carried on in-between the elite and the only input we have is to complain to our congress which is undermined by the legal practice of bribery called lobbying and campaign finance. The American government is setup to keep the majority out of the political system. It is an Oligarchy of the Corporate Elite."
Indeed,You have the right of it.
Money=power
MrJrain 2 years ago
mymojorisin, yes, so many Americans think they're living in a democracy, as if they have any real say in anything important.
But you might see a reasonable health care plan if the powers that be think it will be advantageous in some way... a vote winner for their pet politicians, a sweetener, or whatever.
queenastilon 2 years ago 2
WOW Good on prescott
TheWELSHGUARD 2 years ago
NHS sucks and you know it...
leostomicek 2 years ago
Nope, I've had numerous operations and treatments and literally had my life saved 3 times by the NHS (severe asthma attacks including at one point a suspected collapsed lung). All free.
Now, the waiting lists and overcrowding can be a bugger at times but there's still Private Healthcare here too for those who want to "fast track".
What Americans lack is the CHOICE. Sure if you don't like a social healthcare don't use it, but don't deny it to the poorer segment of society.
intruder313 2 years ago 2
I am glad you had good experience with NHS, I live in Central London and it is often overcrowded and I normally go private.
What Americans also have is a huge national debt... ;-)
leostomicek 2 years ago
The worst thing in this debate is that anti free health care advocates are payed by companies, that's what makes me sick.
coffee396 2 years ago
the question is, do you believe health care is a birth right, or a luxury? And why do you believe it should be a birth right.
YuGiOhDuelChannel 2 years ago
@YuGiOhDuelChannel
'Cause poor people don't vote for those people, or line their pockets.
lowcomedy 2 years ago
#27 - Top Rated (All Time) - Education - United Kingdom
ScrewLimbBizkit 2 years ago 2
politicians make my skin crawl but wow that guy from the labour party seems like he'd be fun to have a beer with.
ratholin 2 years ago
Wow, the message of Daniel Hannon and a few others was a big factor for me. I thought, "These people have personally experienced this stuff. I should listen to them." After seeing this, I have to reconsider some things. Thanks for this dprjones.
ThisClownis2in1 2 years ago 3
Daniel Hannon is corrupted by Insurance companies.
coffee396 2 years ago 2
Really? I need to check that out. Thanks.
ThisClownis2in1 2 years ago
I know there's various theories and explanation for Hannon's motives but the simple fact is nobody here had heard of him here and the vast majority certainly don't agree with him.
intruder313 2 years ago
dprjones, I owe you a sincere apology sir. After watching just the first minute or so I had rated you 1 star. THEN I realized that you AREN'T one of those dimwits! I hope more stick it out to the end! Good job!!
crazy4carolyn 2 years ago 3
If you want to convince me that the British healthcare system is a good one you need to provide statistics, interviews with physicians, show a tour of a typical hospital, etc. But please, please, don't give me political rhetoric from guys who depend on the votes of NHS workers to get elected or re-elected. This is NOT a convincing video by a long shot. And by the way, since when does a politician have to be popular to be accurate in what he says? This video is a waste of time.
MrFreeLibertarian 2 years ago
FreeLibertarian, it's rhetoric from one politician pretending to represent his party (which party says he does not) repudiated by politicians stating why he's wrong. Neither side provided proof.
queenastilon 2 years ago
dprjones, thank you for posting this video. I'm living in Canada and I spend a lot of time trying to explain to Americans how UHC really isn't that bad.
One of the most fucked up things is how good US health insurance costs more than my entire yearly income tax in Canada.
ShawnD1 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
so you've got one retired man sitting at a table outside that disagrees with someone that was interviewed by fox news. in no way was the man being interviewed (on fox news) affiliated with fox news and then at the end of your video you say DONT LISTEN TO FOX NEWS because of its all-sides fair reporting. the news is supppose to report and/or investigate. the news isnt suppose to only interview people only on their side if there is even a "their side". is the news not balanced in the uk?
TheDeathofGrace 2 years ago
So it is fair and balanced news when they put forward a person who stands for the views shared by a small fraction of the population as a representative of the entire population?
Fox news has the opinion that universal health is bad and they are reporting accordingly.
The hosts often state their opinion so clearly that I find it hard to believe that anyone can think of fox news as fair and balanced. So even in this case.
Hedning1390 2 years ago 4
FOX news is nothing but conservative propaganda mixed with hate mongering.
ridgetownpimp 2 years ago 4
Actually msnbc is way more Liberal than fox is conservative moron....They also have WAY more hate.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
fuck off health troll
ridgetownpimp 2 years ago
Health troll......lol...Shut the fuck up I think im allowed to comment on here bitch!
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Can you prove that?
What evidence do you have to support that claim?
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
Go look it up.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
What's wrong with paying $5000 for an ambulance ride to have a finger sewn on for $10,000? *Looks in his wallet* Oh yeah.
hotlavatube 2 years ago
Wrong! When my friend is going to make a mistake i get a camera and video tape it
Nades129 2 years ago 2
What happens if you get hit by a car?
stukajunker88 2 years ago
Stalin had an awesome moustache.
stukajunker88 2 years ago
Wait, there are still people who think that American healthcare is better than that in Europe or Canada?
Gnickk 2 years ago
It is way better here we dont have to wait moths to see specialists!! More people die in Canada from cancer than in America because some medicines are too expensive for the Socialist Healthcare system......
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
There are so many issues that need to be addressed in this statement, I'm not quite sure where to start, but shall attempt to cover them all.
1)How do you know Canada's cancer death rate in proportion to the USA?
2)What medicines are too expensive for the "socialist" healthcare system?
3)Is there something wrong with socialism?
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
Yes there is something wrong with Socialism. Some people work harder than others therefore deserve to make more! These are facts that Canadas cancer death rates are higher. They give out the less expensive drugs because certain ones that may work better are too expensive to be giving out to everyone.
Its really not that hard to understand dont be an idiot......
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Socialism allows for people to gain more as a result of more work and effort. You clearly fail to understand the political systems at work here. Socialism is the practice of allowing the government to take control of key assets of the society such as roads, so that standards may be applied. We in America already practice socialistic past times, roads for instance are not maintained by private entities but the government.
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
I'm not asking you to restate your fact in regards to Canada's cancer death rates, I'm asking for references. Where did you get your information about the higher death rates? Where can I go check and see for myself?
Please bar Ad-Hominem in the future, it makes your message harder to swallow.
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
In addition you failed to list any actual drugs that you could prove were too expensive for the socialist healthcare systems. Therefore all that can be assumed is that your wildly speculating until you present hard facts to back up your claim.
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
@UndercoverCracker so what if some people do? Does that mean that those that don't work as hard should die because they can't afford decent medical attention?How does this line of thought address the possibility that some people that work hard still make less than others that don't work but are rich anyway, or don't work as hard but are rich anyway?Oh... it dosen't?If you work hard you should be rich? Your thoughts are that of a 5 year old.If I do A I ALWAYS get B. Reality don't work that way.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35 Are you serious? There are plenty of "poor" people that can still afford health care in this country. I dont know where you hear your facts but theyre obviously not accurate. Many people choose to not work and dont want to take care of themselves because they want the government to do everything for them. Plenty of people are just lazy.
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
Oh My Fucking Flying Spaghetti Monster
was that Fox in the states that poached a selected numbnut to interview? yeah it was 8(
Not holding back on this one.
Considering Australia is leading the world in economic reform, infrastructure spending and I wonder where Australia sits on the GDP spending Vs our Medicare.
One thing I can say is the pharmecutical companies will welcome a National Health System and the doctors will still get paid well, just not considered god's anymore.
MilitantPeaceist 2 years ago
fuck the republicon party Obama 2011
jjason55740 2 years ago
if any PM of the UK got rid of the NHS they would die.
kromed01 2 years ago
It would appear to me that this whole anti-socialism thing is just a remnant of the red scare.
BeekersSqueakers 2 years ago 5
Yup. Those goddamn commie bastards
queenastilon 2 years ago
infinitusverum 2 years ago 17
Just my feelings on the subject.
infinitusverum 2 years ago 2
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NHS has played a part in many deaths fool.......A man in Canada had to wait to see a specialist about his brain tumor and byt the time he could see the speiclaist he was DEAD.
MAN: Hi Doctor.
DOC: Hi Person Im treating...
MAN: So how about my cancer? Its been a while.....
DOC: Well we have to give you this less effective medicine because its cheaper.
MAN: Ummmmmmm...
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Scenario #1.
A Man has a brain tumour, he goes to the NHS with the CHANCE to be saved. (A very high chance)
Scenario #2.
A man has a brain tumour, he has no insurance. He has NO CHANCE to be saved.
I would take the first scenario.
Also you call me a fool and yet you cannot spell even the simplest of words.
Cont...
infinitusverum 2 years ago
Please would you give details of this "Man in Canada".
What was his name?
Where was he from?
Why did they not treat him?
You say "NHS has played a part in many deaths"
Please elaborate how?
Back up your comments please, or are you just spouting crap?
You had better get on Google to try to find facts to support your comment. (Pathetic that you have to search for them)
Also your parody of my dialogue from the first comment was weak and uninspired.
infinitusverum 2 years ago
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With the US's healthcare we have money to further technology and create better and better medicines. With your healthcare you DONT......
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Shona Holmes was lied to by an American doctor so he could make $100,000 off her worried, gullible ass. She was on a waiting list for her CYST so that people in Canada who ACTUALLY have REAL tumors could get treated right away! I don't know about you, but I don't have 100k kicking around for tumors that aren't even there. If I had to rely on a for-profit healthcare system, I'd surely be dead by now. I guess people who aren't rich are just lazy and deserve to die.
Gnickk 2 years ago 2
You dont have to be righ to have great healthcare you know...
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
I'm not clear what you mean. Do you mean that if I have a benign cyst in my pituitary gland, and I wrongly imagine that it's a tumour, I should have it out immediately? I agree, and that's exactly what Holmes re-mortgaged her house and travelled to a foreign country to do. But within Canada, people who actually have real, dangerous conditions get treatment right away, and I like that.
To think that people are not rich exclusively because of laziness is about as idealistic as communism.
Gnickk 2 years ago
Plenty of people leave Canada for treatment in the US because theyll get treatment SOONER and have better QUALITY medicines.
Also most of the time if people work hard it pays off dont be stupid.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
I can respect remortaging your house to have a benign cyst out sooner rather than later; we all have our values and priorities. Although I'd be curious to know why the same chemical formula produces results of different quality in different countries. And hard work certainly pays off, I agree with that - although not necessarily in the sense of having $100,000 available to drop on a medical condition... but that might be my own stupidity making me forget that only lazy bums have incomes so tiny.
Gnickk 2 years ago
Money equals better medicines and technology. You guys are stuck with Universal healthcare forever now, no wonder you try to make it seem like its so good......Thats what humans do. We tell ourselves we have the best this or that even when its not.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
But conveniently, Americans aren't merely "telling themselves" that their healthcare SYSTEM (yes, I said system - obviously the healthcare itself is excellent if you can get it) is good. They're the ones who are correctly informed. People who have universal healthcare are the ones who are all misinformed, and just following human nature by telling ourselves lies, is that it? How very very convenient.
Gnickk 2 years ago
Not lieing to yourselves just trying to convince yourselves that its better.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Is it conceivable that you're just trying to convince yourself that the American system is better? Not saying that you are, just that that seems like a poor argument for whether a system is better or worse than another. "You're just telling yourself that" does't seem to get very far, to me anyway.
Gnickk 2 years ago
Well I know its better for the people who have it! We of course should do something to cover the uninsured BUT not have universal healthcare....
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
Universal Health Care is a system by which all people are granted inherent health care by the government. Furthermore those that wish to have their own healthcare system are permitted to, they simply have to do hunting of their own. You will not be forced to take the government health care plan, you will simply be given an option to.
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
Wow, I have never seen a more blatant instance of Ad Hominem logic fallacy till now.
SabishiiRomanchikku 2 years ago
Are you microsoft word? Fuck!
NHS=Wait months to see specialists.
USA=Have insurance get great care.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
You have not addressed any of my questions.
Put up or shut the fuck up.
You really are pathetic.
infinitusverum 2 years ago
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Dont know his name.
Was from Canada, as i said!
They didnt treat him because with the Socialist healthcare system he had to wait too long to see a specialist!
There happy chode?
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
UndercoverCracker, nope.
USA = have insurance get care if your insurer agrees to cover it
UK = complete freedom to pay privately, or have private insurance if you want AND
= NHS: get very good care for free if you need it
queenastilon 2 years ago
The money our healthcare makes goes to finding more technology for gods sake. You have to wait way longer to see specialists for your problems.......Government running healthcare when they have way to much shit to handle already? I dont think so! Plus your survival rates are worse.........People here who dont even make much money can get great healthcare.
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
If you have no insurance / no money you can get good health care for free in U.K.
If you don't want to wait & want to pay privately (as my mother did for a hip replacement) then you do so, just as in the U.S.... but *we* have a choice
You can take out whatever private insurance you want to, or might have it in a salary package, just as in the U.S.
You make assumptions about how you figure it must be but you don't know. And aren't iatrogenic death rates higher in the US anyway?
queenastilon 2 years ago 3
Cracker, "the money our healthcare makes goes to finding more technology for gods sake" Don't be so naive. None of what is paid to doctors goes to research
Some earn extra FROM research (e.g. endorsing drugs, taking kickbacks, signing off on research they haven't read)
Their earnings go to 1) massively expensive malpractice cover (Insurers exploiting both sides there) and 2) the docs' Mercedes, golf club, big houses, their kids' college.
Why do you say our survival rates are worse?
queenastilon 2 years ago 2
Your survival rates are worse.......Oh and most doctors have ZERO malpractice charges....
UndercoverCracker 2 years ago
There is no NHS in Canada, that's in Britain. Way to be informed about what you're talking about. Can you tell me which jurisdiction healthcare falls under in Canada, Mr. I-know-better-than-you?
Cancers are treated by radio- and chemotherapy, not "medicine," and there are no bean-counting civil servants deciding what treatment patients get.
Gnickk 2 years ago 2