Oh my, she wasn't very happy with you that morning. Everybody else, why are you being so rough on this guy. What are you, the human ether can, everything you start just pops right off? Besides, rough cold starts are better than the ones where the machine fires right up anyway.
Actually I think it's ok to get her running like this considering it was minus 40 degrees. The battery wouldn't have lasted too long anyway. I don't think that many of the posters ever started anything in that kind of weather. Minus 40 ??? Visualize, people. Visualize .
Just press CTRL-E, lol! After all that throttle-pumping, I think I'd be worried about a bunch of linkages coming apart... Easy on the moving parts, man!
I'm not a pilot, and I expect to be corrected here, but I imagine the startup procedure is something like this:
Turn 12 blades by hand with everything off to get the oil moving, prime, six baldes with mags off, mags on and attempt start.
The engine was pretty obviously flooded in this case, the pilot should have cranked it a bit with the mixture at cutoff, then tried to start it again. Also, pumping the throttle like that could easily break the linkage, especially in such cold weather.
Are you kidding me??? This "pilot" is a retard!!! I have several years flying a DHC-2 commercially and this is such a shame to see such a beautiful machine be abused this way. He has NO idea how to start a DHC2 and should take a few lessons! Jesus this pisses me off!!
There is no doubt about the incompetence of the pilot with regards to the start, but can someone explain me as a pilot to pilot that what exactly was wrong about the start? Or how should you have fired her up properly?
Starting procedure has a couple variations, but they never include pumping the throttle repeatedly like that.
My method for cold-weather starts is as follows: 12 blades by hand (3-bladed prop), 5-6 shots from the primer, turn 6 blades w/mags off, open throttle, retard slowly, mags on when throttle is nearly closed.
Once the engine is firing, I'm always ready to add a bit more prime to keep it running until it begins to warm up. Been flying them for 4 years, never backfired with this method.
This video would be a great advertisement for whoever manufactures the batteries in that thing.
I barely know enough about airplane engines to be dangerous. I know they have no choke. I know the carb has an acellerator pump and I know they have a primer for injecting fuel into the manifold or cylinders.
Couldn't you keep the throttle at one setting and then use the primer to inject fuel once it fires?
Without a doubt, that is the most blatant example of pilot incompetence with respect to engine handling I have ever witnessed in 35+ years of aviation and 25 years as a Check Pilot.
That company had their Operating Certificate suspended and they were never able to get things together enough to get it back. Mercifully, they no longer risk the lives of the public.
I flew the Beaver for roughly 1,500 hours on floats, and seeing one grossly abused like this is shameful.
That idiot is lucky he didn't set that thing on fire or blow the exhaust off. Prime it with the primer and have the primer open and full when you go to start it when it's that cold. All pumping the throttle is gonna do is get you one hell of a backfire.
they need to put a door on newer model planes to where if the pilots continously does the wrong thing, itll come open and a boxing glove on a sping will knock them senseless
I never said he WAS correct in pumping the throttle. I simly stated that this was NOT that bad of a strt for a radial in very cold weather. I've got over 1000 hrs of 985, 1340, and PZL time myself, so I ALSO know what I'm talkiing about.
What a dumb *ss! Lucky he didn't burn it...absolutely NOT the way to start a Beaver - cold or not. (Yes, I do know what I'm talking about...over 3000 hours in them)
Prime it 3 times, wait for 10 seconds and go for start then repeat with less primings but pumping throttle will get you killed by whoever owns that thing. Backfires are your worst enemy for many reasons but trashing a mag is at the top of the list.
i cant stop laughing!!! great video - my aerosoft flight sim beaver never starts like that - the handbbook says the start up has been simplied and now i see what it means - you guys make it look way more fun - wish that would be simulated on my beaver
Well before you guys tear me up in mid air, I have seen C172s who didn't start half as well as this, ok, that's mostly due to absolute overpriming, Worst performer in my personal exp is the DO 27, I had to trips cancelled cos she simply refused to start, CDN Pilot, if you have no idea how to handle a round engine, shut up, for your sake,
'Eh there Easyjet8810, I took the video for my fam n' friends just to show them whats goin' on when I'm out of town. I didn't think this would start a uproar with all the avionic people out there. Like pandangzr1 said, "i thought it was funny" but only once I was on the ground :)
You guys don't know shit about aircraft mechanics...
Obviously this was a propane powered beaver that just had the floats converted to wheels. The avgas-primer just needed saltwater bled from the system. Very Common!
It's great how tool's always assume to know what's actaully going on. That is C-FFLN still running on Avgas. Why would you swap from a reliable fuel source to something like propane while operating up north?
Well, this just proves my damn point, you don't just efing crank a radial engine, this is no damn 172 which you just crank until it runs, you have to kiss it awake, its just a completely different thing.
Unless it happens to be the 172F (N5253F, Eielson AFB, Alaska) I trained in (before it had a cam lobe go flat). Primer would go dry after sitting a few hours. Took about fifteen pumps to get fuel back in it, and God help you if it had been outside overnight, when the temps fell well below zero! Preheat or not, it was still a cranky thing to start.
Man, do you know ANYTHING at all about radial engines?? They dont start the same as your 172. A typical start on a 985 Pratt calls for around 9 shots on the primer, and you go from there. Cold weather is a completely different story. Before you go slamming someone, get a little experience in what you're talking about. And yes, I DO have experience... a little over 1,000 hrs of it flying round motors. This was NOT that bad of a start for cold weather.
Did you know that Apprently you now can Fuel Inject the R-985 9-Cylinder Radial Engine. This Fuel Injections Gives Easier Starting, Better performance reduced Engine Deposits and so on. Can you tell me what your email address and a reply from what i have said thanks
Oh my, she wasn't very happy with you that morning. Everybody else, why are you being so rough on this guy. What are you, the human ether can, everything you start just pops right off? Besides, rough cold starts are better than the ones where the machine fires right up anyway.
blindmotorhead 3 months ago
@blindmotorhead
No not very happy at all.
It was not a good morning for any of us, the wind was cutting with -60c to -80c windchill at that point.
Then add the Engine might self destruct.
Pretty Rough...ah Ya!
Got to luv the North ;)
kingfreakinkong 3 months ago
Extreme cold weather start are tough even for trucks.
kingharryannis 5 months ago
Actually I think it's ok to get her running like this considering it was minus 40 degrees. The battery wouldn't have lasted too long anyway. I don't think that many of the posters ever started anything in that kind of weather. Minus 40 ??? Visualize, people. Visualize .
mehatestaxes 7 months ago
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mehatestaxes 7 months ago
UGH. The throttle pumping is intollerable. Wanna a good way of getting an induction fire, there it is!!!!. Oh that poor engine.
pythos1 8 months ago
Poor plane man! the pilot is a dumb! come on! I'm a recipro engines mecanic !
jatsuko75 10 months ago
Ouch !! ease on the trotle man poor DH !!
flyingman1981 10 months ago
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WOW ! I never seen any one that stupid.
ornothopter 1 year ago
Dunkin Donuts coffee, for rough start mornings..
seadoosearay 1 year ago
Pulling on the throttle reminds me of the last time I was at the casino..pull the handle and takes your luck!
fernfeyes 1 year ago
messner101 has a beautiful example of starting a beaver properly
bob6628 1 year ago
Just press CTRL-E, lol! After all that throttle-pumping, I think I'd be worried about a bunch of linkages coming apart... Easy on the moving parts, man!
g7vidman 1 year ago
Shit or bust!
Squarerig 1 year ago
I'm not a pilot, and I expect to be corrected here, but I imagine the startup procedure is something like this:
Turn 12 blades by hand with everything off to get the oil moving, prime, six baldes with mags off, mags on and attempt start.
The engine was pretty obviously flooded in this case, the pilot should have cranked it a bit with the mixture at cutoff, then tried to start it again. Also, pumping the throttle like that could easily break the linkage, especially in such cold weather.
lukecrowley571 2 years ago
Just shows how good Beavers are, that they'll still start in 40 below with a complete !*&%$ at the controls!
lukecrowley571 2 years ago
Are you kidding me??? This "pilot" is a retard!!! I have several years flying a DHC-2 commercially and this is such a shame to see such a beautiful machine be abused this way. He has NO idea how to start a DHC2 and should take a few lessons! Jesus this pisses me off!!
flyinthebug35 2 years ago
... at -40 i think most engines would have a hard time turning over.
1Gaumer 2 years ago
That's true, still I wasn't feeling "good" about the flight that day after that.
The cold up north wreaks havoc on metal, fuel...ect.
kingfreakinkong 2 years ago
Hi all!
There is no doubt about the incompetence of the pilot with regards to the start, but can someone explain me as a pilot to pilot that what exactly was wrong about the start? Or how should you have fired her up properly?
Cheers
zlinpilot 2 years ago
Starting procedure has a couple variations, but they never include pumping the throttle repeatedly like that.
My method for cold-weather starts is as follows: 12 blades by hand (3-bladed prop), 5-6 shots from the primer, turn 6 blades w/mags off, open throttle, retard slowly, mags on when throttle is nearly closed.
Once the engine is firing, I'm always ready to add a bit more prime to keep it running until it begins to warm up. Been flying them for 4 years, never backfired with this method.
Wiley357 2 years ago 3
is this guy still flying? I need to poop my pants!!!!
messner101 2 years ago
This video would be a great advertisement for whoever manufactures the batteries in that thing.
I barely know enough about airplane engines to be dangerous. I know they have no choke. I know the carb has an acellerator pump and I know they have a primer for injecting fuel into the manifold or cylinders.
Couldn't you keep the throttle at one setting and then use the primer to inject fuel once it fires?
flanksteak2 2 years ago
thats a good kick to the guts, keep fucking priming it man! she will go somehow!
volkscom 2 years ago
Wow, what a great example of how to seriously abuse such a great powerplant, not to mention passenger trust. Preheat anyone?
Yootuboob 2 years ago
Without a doubt, that is the most blatant example of pilot incompetence with respect to engine handling I have ever witnessed in 35+ years of aviation and 25 years as a Check Pilot.
That company had their Operating Certificate suspended and they were never able to get things together enough to get it back. Mercifully, they no longer risk the lives of the public.
I flew the Beaver for roughly 1,500 hours on floats, and seeing one grossly abused like this is shameful.
jetstreamguy 2 years ago 11
LOL
That crankcase has about 10 gallons of fuel in it now.
jizzmonger 2 years ago
jesus, what a dumb shit; its flooded for christ sakes!!!
XBoeingCapt 2 years ago
That idiot is lucky he didn't set that thing on fire or blow the exhaust off. Prime it with the primer and have the primer open and full when you go to start it when it's that cold. All pumping the throttle is gonna do is get you one hell of a backfire.
Signed: An old Beaver driver.
stearman456 2 years ago 2
This is the best sounding startup I have found. It vibrates my floor and windows when I turn up the bass. = Goose Bumps
Dever33 2 years ago
Can I poop my pants now... or later....
djsly2k5 2 years ago
Change the plugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
medicbr549 2 years ago
Prime more. Pump a little less. Pre-heater anybody?=) I love 985's. Not a huge beaver fan. But it's always fun =)
aleutianflyboy 2 years ago
It was nearly -40 that day, before wind chill.
kingfreakinkong 3 years ago
Northern music!
jimzworld1 3 years ago
True
kingfreakinkong 3 years ago
Thats one cold bloded beast
hbunnie1120 3 years ago
Nice one, gotta keep plety of fuel to that 985
Aerdude 3 years ago
Uh that's OK .. I'll just walk.
norrisrock 3 years ago 4
gotta get all them cyls firing
plenty of backfires though!
s172mch 4 years ago
Ah gotta love radial engines. They're a bitch on a cold morning up north.
flying737 4 years ago
they need to put a door on newer model planes to where if the pilots continously does the wrong thing, itll come open and a boxing glove on a sping will knock them senseless
Direwolf56 4 years ago 5
LOL !
Maybe I should just start packing one with me :)
I could see many uses for it.
kingfreakinkong 4 years ago
You're sure you want to fly on that thing?
rolfen 4 years ago
Life in the Arctic eh King? Guess you had to be there.lol!!! These guys would freak if they see what we do with single and twin otters.
zigmiester 4 years ago
BTW - agcatdriver; cdnpilot05 IS absolutely correct - NEVER pump the throttle for the very reason he described - manual even states such.
mrsapproach 4 years ago 2
I never said he WAS correct in pumping the throttle. I simly stated that this was NOT that bad of a strt for a radial in very cold weather. I've got over 1000 hrs of 985, 1340, and PZL time myself, so I ALSO know what I'm talkiing about.
agcatdriver 4 years ago
What a dumb *ss! Lucky he didn't burn it...absolutely NOT the way to start a Beaver - cold or not. (Yes, I do know what I'm talking about...over 3000 hours in them)
mrsapproach 4 years ago
Prime it 3 times, wait for 10 seconds and go for start then repeat with less primings but pumping throttle will get you killed by whoever owns that thing. Backfires are your worst enemy for many reasons but trashing a mag is at the top of the list.
bushpilot50 4 years ago 2
i cant stop laughing!!! great video - my aerosoft flight sim beaver never starts like that - the handbbook says the start up has been simplied and now i see what it means - you guys make it look way more fun - wish that would be simulated on my beaver
kezzart 4 years ago
Well before you guys tear me up in mid air, I have seen C172s who didn't start half as well as this, ok, that's mostly due to absolute overpriming, Worst performer in my personal exp is the DO 27, I had to trips cancelled cos she simply refused to start, CDN Pilot, if you have no idea how to handle a round engine, shut up, for your sake,
Easyjet8810 4 years ago
'Eh there Easyjet8810, I took the video for my fam n' friends just to show them whats goin' on when I'm out of town. I didn't think this would start a uproar with all the avionic people out there. Like pandangzr1 said, "i thought it was funny" but only once I was on the ground :)
Tanx 4 the comments
kingfreakinkong 4 years ago
Sorry, did I say "once I was on the ground :)"
I meant Ice...check out the landing video.
kingfreakinkong 4 years ago
Okok, I didn't intend to provoke an uproar, just a healthy discussion, ok?
Easyjet8810 4 years ago
OK :)
kingfreakinkong 4 years ago
that was good footage kingfreakinkong i thought it was funny..lol
pandangzr1 4 years ago
You guys don't know shit about aircraft mechanics...
Obviously this was a propane powered beaver that just had the floats converted to wheels. The avgas-primer just needed saltwater bled from the system. Very Common!
Yakutat91 4 years ago
It's great how tool's always assume to know what's actaully going on. That is C-FFLN still running on Avgas. Why would you swap from a reliable fuel source to something like propane while operating up north?
jmmcl185 4 years ago
Well, this just proves my damn point, you don't just efing crank a radial engine, this is no damn 172 which you just crank until it runs, you have to kiss it awake, its just a completely different thing.
Easyjet8810 4 years ago 2
well put. a 172 is easier to start than a computer
Calltheglassman 4 years ago
Unless it happens to be the 172F (N5253F, Eielson AFB, Alaska) I trained in (before it had a cam lobe go flat). Primer would go dry after sitting a few hours. Took about fifteen pumps to get fuel back in it, and God help you if it had been outside overnight, when the temps fell well below zero! Preheat or not, it was still a cranky thing to start.
Alisterwolf66 4 years ago
It would have been cool to see/hear the engine go off from the outside of the plane, im no mechanic, but could the backfires be due to faulty timing?
Bergstaller01 4 years ago
Man, do you know ANYTHING at all about radial engines?? They dont start the same as your 172. A typical start on a 985 Pratt calls for around 9 shots on the primer, and you go from there. Cold weather is a completely different story. Before you go slamming someone, get a little experience in what you're talking about. And yes, I DO have experience... a little over 1,000 hrs of it flying round motors. This was NOT that bad of a start for cold weather.
agcatdriver 4 years ago
I am waiting for the pilot to turn his face and it to be Brian Dennehy [Never Cry Wolf] haw haw
Chubstanley 4 years ago
This is a joke right? Right!?? PLease tell me that this is not for real. :-(
mpink369 4 years ago
Pull the f'n carb heat. Man, this guy is terrible.
veldman37 4 years ago
Ohhh my god! Is it missing the primer?!!!
PaulthePirate 4 years ago
Radials Rule!!!!!!!!!!! did the rest of the flight go ok or was the ol Pratt & Whitney giving too much problems to even take off??
pixiething 4 years ago
The rest of the flight was smooth, I didn't begin the video until after 3 or 4 failed starts.
kingfreakinkong 4 years ago
Did you know that Apprently you now can Fuel Inject the R-985 9-Cylinder Radial Engine. This Fuel Injections Gives Easier Starting, Better performance reduced Engine Deposits and so on. Can you tell me what your email address and a reply from what i have said thanks
Getbent4561 4 years ago
nothing like a bit of iceing to make all those moving parts have a fit. Love how he has to prime the heck out of it
weaselman24 4 years ago
Hehehe, you just gotta love radial engines!
agcatdriver 4 years ago
love it
Jobergg 4 years ago