@royalsteven To an Eckan, the Eck is the Light and Sound of God. Other names for the same concept would be anything from Yahweh, the Holy Spirit, Brahman, Krishna, Ishvara, Paramatman, Christ Consiousness and many others across the world. It is the creator of the universe and the indwelling, trans-personal consciousness of everything within the universe. The description God gave of himself in the Old Testament; I Am That I Am, sums it up quite nicely.
But you see, He isnt called I Am That I Am (EHYEH ASHER EHYEH). He is called I Will Be Who I Will Be (AHYAH ASHER AHYAH). The Jews changed His name because it sounded too insecure and fearfull.
What I was getting at is balance, and opposed to either/or, true/false/ good/bad. Many paths teach it, yet all books lack full or direct communication with Spirit. Why? There are too many shades, degrees. It seems to me that balance is an individual thing. That point varies with ones spiritual unfoldment, and it will be different for the Christian, Buddhist, Eckists, etc. It is even different with people of the same religious background. Everyone's state of consciousness is unique.
Christians you need to see this Vidieo " Who wrote the Bible" by National Geograhic in Part 3 it shows how the Book of Gen has conderdictor information. Two Versions of the same Storys are written. That proves that the Book of Gen was rewitten with a pached together Story that in incomplect in its information. Edward
HU means Jehovah (I Am Who I AM) in Vietnamese. Amazingly HU is DMT God 3.0's ancient name. For more, type DMTGOD in YOUTUBE SEARCH then click on Harold Channer's TV Show interviewing DMT GOD 3.0. CAODAISM [a VN religion 7 times bigger than Eckankar] predicted in 1926 GOD's Third Coming to unify all religions and nations on earth. These coincide with DMT God 3.0's birth, teaching and effort to raise the world to the next level of civilization. Pls review and contact: everywhereishome@aol.com
isn't it funny that our present social construct says: the guy on the right is a delusional member of a cult and the guy on the left is just a normal perfectly sane christian? i mean cmon people wake up! i'm not advocating for one or the other here but but i think its absurd that its socially acceptable to believe what tal brooke is saying and viewed as missing a few screws by subscribing to gross'. its all organized religion as far im concerned
One thing I like about Eckankar is that it doesnt say that others are delusional. Harold said:
But there is no reason to ridicule the people of any faith, for God has provided a way - a religion, a faith, a belief – so that every Soul that is seeking a path back to the original Source can find the one that suits It.
People don't realize that God has provided all these different religions for a specific purpose: to fit all the
different levels of consciousness that exist on earth
Sai Baba molested children and pretended to produce golden eggs from his mouth. I don't think it's fair to compartmentalize all western teachings with that farce.
I agree the Christian HOLY SPIRIT is not the same as NEWAGE!!!! Only Christians have the HOLY SPIRIT!!!! A friend of mine I will call TR has told me the truth about all this. The devil decieves everyone by stealing HUMAN powers and pretending to be THE ONLY ONES!!!!! Jesus can and DOES use obe for his glory!!! These video's only succeed in telling A LITTLE TRUTH!!!!!
There is true Masters and false Masters, because there is a right and left handed spiritual Path. The False masters are on the left handed Path. There is the True Spiritual Hyeraricy and the Falsh Spiritual Hyerarcy. This is why we need to test every Spirit.
@cybersailor , Yes the middle path is correct. Its a Buddist teaching. Were the christians are in Error is they teach that Jesus is the WORD. The Christ is the WORD , the 2nd person of the Godhead. This Christ imbodys him self in many Sons and Daughters of GOD. its not the Christians fault that they are teaching that Jesus is the word. The real problem is with Bible its self. Its teaching is incomplect. And the Bible has been been added and Subtracted to threw out History.
There's always spiritual teachers on earth............ Trust your inner experiences not just what you read in a book. Find the religion that's right for your level of awareness. That's why we have so many choices in religions. I've been a student of Eckankar for 35 years.
Gross may have done some valuable things during his short tenure with Eck but he's terribly spoken here and seems an embarrassment to Pauls work to me. The Christians are eating him up!
what tripe. Eckankar is a cult. Christianity is no better. There's no proof for any of this crap. My goodness, wake up and think for yourself. It's all a lie.
There is plenty of proof There are 100's of prophecies about Jesus made thousands of years before He was born. King David wrote in psalms exactly how Jesus would be crucified1000 years B4 they even invented crucifiction and that He would be betrayed for exactly 20 pieces of Silver,Or thatMessiah would be born in Bethlehem.Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth and just before Mary gave birth,king herod declared that every man must register from the town of his ancestral and Joseph's was Bethlehem.Hmm
Prophecies are not truth. Prophecies are prophecies. If every prophecy came true, then maybe you'd be onto something. How do you know when crucifixion was invented? All of what you say is nonsense, non of it historical. You're too close to the problem to see it yourself. But that's okay. Enjoy yourself.
Jesus prophesied that he would come back to earth and initiate armageddon 2000 years ago (Matthew 24). Guess what? He was wrong. Your own bible says that you judge a prophet this way: if what he says comes true, he's a true prophet. If what he says does not come true, he's a fraud. Jesus was a fraud (if he ever existed, that is) and Christians are as whacky as Eckists!
You are misinformed. Jesus said in Mathew 24:36-(speaking of His 2nd coming)"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only." Here is what stuck in Tal's mind when SaiBaba did things "less than godly" Mathew 24:23(talking about signs of the last days)"Then if anyone says to you "Look there is God" or "There!" Do not believe it, for false christs and false prophets will rise + show great signs + wonders to deceive. See I have told you beforehand"
No, YOU are misinformed. He said in verse 34: I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
That generation has certainly passed away. Of course, you probably believe "generation" means something different, like "the human race." That's what the ones who take your money tell you so that you'll continue to give them money.
It's amazing that people still believe this fraud!
I agree with you. Fanatics will attack that which they are ignorant about and by the way there is so much proof, historical, eye witness, and biblical prophecy that proves Jesus was who He said He was. Most of the accusations about Jesus' words written here are not true. People don't know there facts.
Did you ever notice how the name of Jesus brings such stong emotion up? Those that choose not to believe get sooo angry. Ever wonder why?
You can write, "Ronald Reagan will become president of the USA in 1980" now, in 2008, pretending that you wrote it in 1950. 200 years from now, someone can find your writings and call you a prophet.
You don't know the facts. All the gospels were written decades after Jesus supposedly walked the earth. The gospel writers were NOT eyewitnesses. Hell, they couldn't even agree on the story-they contradict each other on several accounts. Proof? Think again.
I love to listen to John Ankerberg, the man gives everyone a chance to come clean with their ideals... and they always end up hanging themselves as in the case of Eckenkar. Check out Ravi Zacharias for more intense dialogue.
Eckist at the time of Dawrin's departure were told to look to their own inner perceptions by both Darwin and Harold Klemp and decide which path to follow.
Eckankar teaches that one decides/judges by ones own personal inner experiences with the Light and Sound.
Relying on miracles and outer personality are not part of the Eckankar teachings. It is about developing ones own direct connection to Spirit.
A moth sees the Light Travels to the Light its warm it feels Good then He comes into the Light and is Burned by the Flame. The moth was unable to distinguish between the warmth and Light of the Sun and the Burning ember of a FIRE. What do you USE TO TEST THE SPIRITS ?
to test spirits, we rely on plagiarized writings of Paul Twitchell. If that's not enough, as eckists, we also like to listen to a former mental patient, harold klemp. we ignore all lies and contradictions of the eck teachings because the truth just confuses us.
@SKYSPLASH I use THE BIBLE to try the spirits!!!! OBE is real and IS of God!!!!!! Ankerberg is not even listening to anyone saying mmhhmm when they talk. Im not saying I agree with the newage guy I DONT!!! But Jesus DID teach the kingdom within WITH OR WITHOUT that one scripture!!!! Everyone believes God comes to live INSIDE US RIGHT? We are taught to seek God who is within!!! I still believe OBE is right! I also ONLY BELIEVE IN JESUS!!!
I have used many different spiritual exercises for many years. By tuning into Spirit Itself one can learn to Know the difference via direct perception, seeing beyond the mind's limitations.
For more info on spiritual exercises go to the Eckankar org web site and click on "What is Eckankar."
@cybersailor I remember the same. There was never any pressure, even upon leaving the organization.
They both also said repeatedly that the spiritual path an individual is on is where they need to be for that time and that others shoudl not interfere with, try to forcefully change or disrespect that choice.
Not sure why the "VS" debate? This video shows nothing about the teachings of Eckankar or for that matter Christianity.
Darwin was ousted _after_ he had already stepped down and relinquished the spiritual and business leadership of Eckankar. Later, his behavior working against the wishes of the Living ECK Master and the Board of Directors prompted his removal from any remaining membership affiliation with the organization.
Darwin leads his own spiritual organization now, which I support.
heh.. now the eckenkarist's dissagree with each other.... this is just like Joeseph Smith and the Mormons.... he claimed he had the 'new' real word.... well what's to stop someone from finding another revelation? Sounds to me that we could keep that up forever.
I was initiated by Darwin Gross, who transferred the position to Harold Klem. I accepted the new master and believe it was and is correct to look to Harold Klemp. Harold is doing a wonderful job in presenting the teachings of ECK and as my personal guide.
Eck? Don't they just mean the Holy Spirit? What is eck? A false god?
royalsteven 8 months ago
@royalsteven To an Eckan, the Eck is the Light and Sound of God. Other names for the same concept would be anything from Yahweh, the Holy Spirit, Brahman, Krishna, Ishvara, Paramatman, Christ Consiousness and many others across the world. It is the creator of the universe and the indwelling, trans-personal consciousness of everything within the universe. The description God gave of himself in the Old Testament; I Am That I Am, sums it up quite nicely.
sonofatellus 3 months ago
But you see, He isnt called I Am That I Am (EHYEH ASHER EHYEH). He is called I Will Be Who I Will Be (AHYAH ASHER AHYAH). The Jews changed His name because it sounded too insecure and fearfull.
royalsteven 3 months ago
Now i prefer the Simpsons.
wernertrptube 8 months ago
This was my short time side trip in 1982. EckinderKarre
wernertrptube 8 months ago
Is this a us spiritual gangster series ?
wernertrptube 8 months ago
@Edward70707
What I was getting at is balance, and opposed to either/or, true/false/ good/bad. Many paths teach it, yet all books lack full or direct communication with Spirit. Why? There are too many shades, degrees. It seems to me that balance is an individual thing. That point varies with ones spiritual unfoldment, and it will be different for the Christian, Buddhist, Eckists, etc. It is even different with people of the same religious background. Everyone's state of consciousness is unique.
cybersailor 1 year ago
Christians you need to see this Vidieo " Who wrote the Bible" by National Geograhic in Part 3 it shows how the Book of Gen has conderdictor information. Two Versions of the same Storys are written. That proves that the Book of Gen was rewitten with a pached together Story that in incomplect in its information. Edward
Edward70707 1 year ago
Tal Brooke is a racist pompus arrogant pig. He is a phony.
WebJutsuNet 1 year ago
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HU means Jehovah (I Am Who I AM) in Vietnamese. Amazingly HU is DMT God 3.0's ancient name. For more, type DMTGOD in YOUTUBE SEARCH then click on Harold Channer's TV Show interviewing DMT GOD 3.0. CAODAISM [a VN religion 7 times bigger than Eckankar] predicted in 1926 GOD's Third Coming to unify all religions and nations on earth. These coincide with DMT God 3.0's birth, teaching and effort to raise the world to the next level of civilization. Pls review and contact: everywhereishome@aol.com
paulagloria 1 year ago
isn't it funny that our present social construct says: the guy on the right is a delusional member of a cult and the guy on the left is just a normal perfectly sane christian? i mean cmon people wake up! i'm not advocating for one or the other here but but i think its absurd that its socially acceptable to believe what tal brooke is saying and viewed as missing a few screws by subscribing to gross'. its all organized religion as far im concerned
whales 1 year ago
@whales
One thing I like about Eckankar is that it doesnt say that others are delusional. Harold said:
But there is no reason to ridicule the people of any faith, for God has provided a way - a religion, a faith, a belief – so that every Soul that is seeking a path back to the original Source can find the one that suits It.
People don't realize that God has provided all these different religions for a specific purpose: to fit all the
different levels of consciousness that exist on earth
cybersailor 1 year ago
Sai Baba molested children and pretended to produce golden eggs from his mouth. I don't think it's fair to compartmentalize all western teachings with that farce.
whales 1 year ago
If there is a Satan it is Jesus.
Balldez 1 year ago
I agree the Christian HOLY SPIRIT is not the same as NEWAGE!!!! Only Christians have the HOLY SPIRIT!!!! A friend of mine I will call TR has told me the truth about all this. The devil decieves everyone by stealing HUMAN powers and pretending to be THE ONLY ONES!!!!! Jesus can and DOES use obe for his glory!!! These video's only succeed in telling A LITTLE TRUTH!!!!!
THETIGERMAN2012 1 year ago
try dhunami . org if you wish to continue on Darwin's ATOM path
Baraka Bashad
DhunamiCE 1 year ago
John Ankerberg asks Tal Brooke about his "demonic encounter", and he keeps changing the subject.
Tal Brooke is a lying sack of shit!
Sockpuppet2012 2 years ago
There is true Masters and false Masters, because there is a right and left handed spiritual Path. The False masters are on the left handed Path. There is the True Spiritual Hyeraricy and the Falsh Spiritual Hyerarcy. This is why we need to test every Spirit.
Edward70707 2 years ago
@Edward70707
I prefer a balanced perspective. The middle path. See the Eckankar org web site and click on "What is Eckankar"
cybersailor 1 year ago
@cybersailor , Yes the middle path is correct. Its a Buddist teaching. Were the christians are in Error is they teach that Jesus is the WORD. The Christ is the WORD , the 2nd person of the Godhead. This Christ imbodys him self in many Sons and Daughters of GOD. its not the Christians fault that they are teaching that Jesus is the word. The real problem is with Bible its self. Its teaching is incomplect. And the Bible has been been added and Subtracted to threw out History.
Edward70707 1 year ago
Rebazar Tarzs!
NickB1967 2 years ago
There's always spiritual teachers on earth............ Trust your inner experiences not just what you read in a book. Find the religion that's right for your level of awareness. That's why we have so many choices in religions. I've been a student of Eckankar for 35 years.
marilynnblock 2 years ago
The commentator asks Darwin why he picked Klemp and then Klemp turned around and kicked him out..
Darwin should have asked him why Jesus Picked Peter and then had Paul become the main mover and shaker in christianity?
Why were they at odds with each other... so much so that someone had to write the second letter of Peter to make it seem like they weren't?
It just shows that NONE of these guys pass the test.
WayOutWesley 3 years ago 2
jesus is the saviour the GOD OF ISRAEL IS THE ONE TRUE GOD
sonofdracula 3 years ago
This bearded Tal guy is a pompus christian cocksucker
IamThatyam 3 years ago
I feel bad for darwin
wickedlarry 4 years ago
Feel bad for Darwin? Why? He's as much of a scam artist as twitchell and klemp. It's just that he was scammed by the scammers. They are all leaches.
catricola 3 years ago
Darwin passed away on March 8, 2008
It can be expected that fanatics will attack that which they are ignorant and thus afraid to perceive open mindedly.
I learned a great deal from Darwin during his tenure as the leader of Eckankar.
cybersailor 3 years ago
Gross may have done some valuable things during his short tenure with Eck but he's terribly spoken here and seems an embarrassment to Pauls work to me. The Christians are eating him up!
IamThatyam 3 years ago
I agree. Gross really isn't talked about much in Eckankar but he seems to be too in touch with kal and negative forces. He seems bitter.
koren1124 2 years ago
what tripe. Eckankar is a cult. Christianity is no better. There's no proof for any of this crap. My goodness, wake up and think for yourself. It's all a lie.
catricola 4 years ago
There is plenty of proof There are 100's of prophecies about Jesus made thousands of years before He was born. King David wrote in psalms exactly how Jesus would be crucified1000 years B4 they even invented crucifiction and that He would be betrayed for exactly 20 pieces of Silver,Or thatMessiah would be born in Bethlehem.Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth and just before Mary gave birth,king herod declared that every man must register from the town of his ancestral and Joseph's was Bethlehem.Hmm
sixteentimes 4 years ago
Prophecies are not truth. Prophecies are prophecies. If every prophecy came true, then maybe you'd be onto something. How do you know when crucifixion was invented? All of what you say is nonsense, non of it historical. You're too close to the problem to see it yourself. But that's okay. Enjoy yourself.
catricola 3 years ago
Jesus prophesied that he would come back to earth and initiate armageddon 2000 years ago (Matthew 24). Guess what? He was wrong. Your own bible says that you judge a prophet this way: if what he says comes true, he's a true prophet. If what he says does not come true, he's a fraud. Jesus was a fraud (if he ever existed, that is) and Christians are as whacky as Eckists!
jonsonbrown 3 years ago
You are misinformed. Jesus said in Mathew 24:36-(speaking of His 2nd coming)"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only." Here is what stuck in Tal's mind when SaiBaba did things "less than godly" Mathew 24:23(talking about signs of the last days)"Then if anyone says to you "Look there is God" or "There!" Do not believe it, for false christs and false prophets will rise + show great signs + wonders to deceive. See I have told you beforehand"
sixteentimes 3 years ago
No, YOU are misinformed. He said in verse 34: I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
That generation has certainly passed away. Of course, you probably believe "generation" means something different, like "the human race." That's what the ones who take your money tell you so that you'll continue to give them money.
It's amazing that people still believe this fraud!
jonsonbrown 3 years ago
I agree with you. Fanatics will attack that which they are ignorant about and by the way there is so much proof, historical, eye witness, and biblical prophecy that proves Jesus was who He said He was. Most of the accusations about Jesus' words written here are not true. People don't know there facts.
Did you ever notice how the name of Jesus brings such stong emotion up? Those that choose not to believe get sooo angry. Ever wonder why?
sixteentimes 3 years ago
You can write, "Ronald Reagan will become president of the USA in 1980" now, in 2008, pretending that you wrote it in 1950. 200 years from now, someone can find your writings and call you a prophet.
You don't know the facts. All the gospels were written decades after Jesus supposedly walked the earth. The gospel writers were NOT eyewitnesses. Hell, they couldn't even agree on the story-they contradict each other on several accounts. Proof? Think again.
jonsonbrown 3 years ago 2
I love to listen to John Ankerberg, the man gives everyone a chance to come clean with their ideals... and they always end up hanging themselves as in the case of Eckenkar. Check out Ravi Zacharias for more intense dialogue.
nasticannasta 4 years ago
Thank you SO much for all these wonderful videos. These messages are not popular and running against the culture and movements of the time.
j2hsieh 4 years ago
Eckist at the time of Dawrin's departure were told to look to their own inner perceptions by both Darwin and Harold Klemp and decide which path to follow.
Eckankar teaches that one decides/judges by ones own personal inner experiences with the Light and Sound.
Relying on miracles and outer personality are not part of the Eckankar teachings. It is about developing ones own direct connection to Spirit.
cybersailor 4 years ago
A moth sees the Light Travels to the Light its warm it feels Good then He comes into the Light and is Burned by the Flame. The moth was unable to distinguish between the warmth and Light of the Sun and the Burning ember of a FIRE. What do you USE TO TEST THE SPIRITS ?
SKYSPLASH 4 years ago 3
to test spirits, we rely on plagiarized writings of Paul Twitchell. If that's not enough, as eckists, we also like to listen to a former mental patient, harold klemp. we ignore all lies and contradictions of the eck teachings because the truth just confuses us.
catricola 4 years ago
@SKYSPLASH I use THE BIBLE to try the spirits!!!! OBE is real and IS of God!!!!!! Ankerberg is not even listening to anyone saying mmhhmm when they talk. Im not saying I agree with the newage guy I DONT!!! But Jesus DID teach the kingdom within WITH OR WITHOUT that one scripture!!!! Everyone believes God comes to live INSIDE US RIGHT? We are taught to seek God who is within!!! I still believe OBE is right! I also ONLY BELIEVE IN JESUS!!!
THETIGERMAN2012 1 year ago
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cybersailor 1 year ago
@SKYSPLASH
I have used many different spiritual exercises for many years. By tuning into Spirit Itself one can learn to Know the difference via direct perception, seeing beyond the mind's limitations.
For more info on spiritual exercises go to the Eckankar org web site and click on "What is Eckankar."
cybersailor 1 year ago
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cybersailor 1 year ago
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@cybersailor try dhunami . org if you wish to continue on Darwin's ATOM path
Baraka Bashad
DhunamiCE 1 year ago
@cybersailor I remember the same. There was never any pressure, even upon leaving the organization.
They both also said repeatedly that the spiritual path an individual is on is where they need to be for that time and that others shoudl not interfere with, try to forcefully change or disrespect that choice.
ywrenr 1 year ago 2
Not sure why the "VS" debate? This video shows nothing about the teachings of Eckankar or for that matter Christianity.
Darwin was ousted _after_ he had already stepped down and relinquished the spiritual and business leadership of Eckankar. Later, his behavior working against the wishes of the Living ECK Master and the Board of Directors prompted his removal from any remaining membership affiliation with the organization.
Darwin leads his own spiritual organization now, which I support.
cybersailor 4 years ago
heh.. now the eckenkarist's dissagree with each other.... this is just like Joeseph Smith and the Mormons.... he claimed he had the 'new' real word.... well what's to stop someone from finding another revelation? Sounds to me that we could keep that up forever.
nasticannasta 4 years ago
I was initiated by Darwin Gross, who transferred the position to Harold Klem. I accepted the new master and believe it was and is correct to look to Harold Klemp. Harold is doing a wonderful job in presenting the teachings of ECK and as my personal guide.
FoundInnerPeace 4 years ago 2
For Ben Perkins opinion on complete series see episode 12. thankyou
zeahbella 4 years ago
thank u
ali404040 4 years ago