Which Way to Revolution? Socialist Party and Ian Bone pt.1

[majorMcpharter]

Let us all help to speed the day when this wonderful earth and its rich resources are held in common.World of free access.

[Baconskank]

Excellent debate here I think both groups raised important points, liked the SPGB emphasis on not pissing the middle class off too much with excessive talk of violence although accept Class War stance on The Middle Class proping up the system and the need for violence at some stage although not desirable. Both Parliamentary efforts AND direct action must be used.... Also liked what Ian said about a State not withering away... Thankyou for improving my way of thinking on these grey areas.

[Baconskank]

Is this the Socialist Party that is linked to the CWI International ??? Does anyone know ???

[pfbcarlisle]

@Baconskank

Hi,

No, it's the SPGB - Socialist Party of Great Britain, (born in 1904)

[Baconskank]

@pfbcarlisle Thankyou for the reply, I should have listened more closely to Ian at the start when he explains his nice ometer.... seems pretty acurate to me...

[Baconskank]

@pfbcarlisle Thankyou for the reply, I should have listened to Ian more closely at the start when he explains his nice-ometer ... seems pretty accurate to me...

[workergirls]

thanx for sharing*****

[arzoyan]

A classless,monyless,stateless communities of humanity in cooperation to take care of our needs and well being , expressing our creative energies in freedom of being. Capitalism is the manipulation of resources and technology for the private gain of a few in a monetary system that enslaves immense humanity in wage slavery of useless employment system that dehumanises and denies our human creative potential for a world of harmony within and without.

[charlesthehammerful]

"The EDL were well and truly battered and fucking legged it like the cowards they are. Had the police not turned up Im pretty sure theyd have been taken away in body bags, not ambulances" This was taken from Mr Bones blog, apart from being a load of complete and utter bullshite he also seems to allow the glorification of murder of political opponents. What a wonderful chap this parasite is.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful and this coming from someone with UFF videos on his page, oh the irony! 

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Taking out terrorists who are killing members of your own community is fair game in my eyes, anyway the provos surrendered and we the Brits won. Great isn't it.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful well I know fascists never get irony, you just proved it.

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 If opposing Islamic nut jobs who want to blow people up in the name of 'allah' and Irish republican terrorists who only the other day put a bomb on a childs bike makes me a fascist, then I'm the biggest fascist in the world.

Supprised you never mentioned Hitler like most of you weirdos do, about anthing that is, Godwins law seems so right with regards to the loony left.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful well like I said you don't get fuckin' irony do you! I can't be bothered to spell it out for you, so fuck off and wine to someone else. And you arseholes are as bad as Islamic nut jobs, rather have neither of you thanks. And yes the EDL are a fascist organisation, and I said fascist not Hitler, he was a nazi, there is a subtle difference but I don't expect you to understand that.

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Ss the police (Aidrian Tudway, head of counter extremism) and the British authorities have said the EDL are not fascist but you say they are so that must mean they are.

Anyway, I'll leave you to enjoy your Thai lady boys.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful lol you really are an idiot, just cos some wanker in the old bill say they are not. EDL has members who have links to fascist and neo-nazi groups. Your leader Tommy Robinson has made speeches that are basically anti-working class and pro-state. You cosy up to the monarchy, and police and cry like babies when anyone calls you out for the bunch of fascist wankers that you are. Ladyboys? revealing some fantasies now?

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Anti working-class? The EDL is a working-class movement, look at any EDL demo. The UAF are mainly middle-class liberals waving placards about souting 'nartzie scum' orf our streets' Oh how I tremble. Even most of the so called anarchists are middle-class wankers, UNI drop out etc.

As for fantasies, I'm not the one living in asia buggering young ladyboys. I presume that's the reason you are there.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful I am not in the UAF, and strange how while the rest of the working class are fighting the most savage cuts to our services and communities you idiots are waffling on about moooslims and other such bollocks, the state must fucking love you lot

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Yeh, because those student protests were really full of working-class people. Charlie Glmore the working class son of a millionair hero.

For the record I agree the cuts need to happen due to years of labour overspend, bit I oppose the rate at which they are being implimented.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful oh yeah I forgot working class people aren't meant to get an education are we? We are all meant to be stereotypical thick as shit. If you haven't noticed the current cuts are about more than just student fees - that was just the start. Your statement that you think the cuts need to happen just shows what a bunch of anti-working class cunts you lot are. The reason why I hate you fascist scumbags, now fuck off :)

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Of course they needed to happen, there was/is no money left due to years of overspend by the labour goverment and the labour goverment not being tuff with the banks. Where is the money going to come from? The rate at which the rates are being forced on us is shambolic and needs to be addressed. I can't be fucked carrying on with this discussion. You can think I'm a fascist all you want, as I think you're a left-wing lunatic who likes abusing ladyboys. Neither will change our views.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful Maybe there is a lunatic left wing mooooslim ladyboy conspiracy to take over the UK and impose SHEra law and make all true red blooded males wear dresses and high heels - you better tell your EDL mates and get out on the streets, before it's too late! - fucking jokers

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful did you get the ladyboy info from Chris Henderson? You know the ex headhunter guy who ran a bar in Pattaya - a bar that had ladyboys in it, the guy who was selling you muppets overpriced tat so you could all fight those nasty moooslims with pride - fuck me you fascist are funny

[charlesthehammerful]

@alx617 Well you seem to know a lot about ladyboys and the haunts they hang around, I knew you was out there for that reason.

[alx617]

@charlesthehammerful yeah Chris Henderson showed me lol

[Wobbothe3rd]

Ian really made some fantastic points here, I really liked what he said around 7 minutes in, about what were fighting for and how we fight for it.

[filmjanet]

Ian, you seem to be a nice kind of nutter,

In this chat you didn't curse much. You do seem to be ahead of the game though. Middle class banker speak is dull, commonest people are interesting and colourful but often racist and a tad Nazi in .God knows how to combine the 2, but fair play trying..

If only you were as dignified and classical as Boris Pasternak...

You can appeal to the vulgarity of the oppressed, but do tap into their native refinement and genius instead?

[majorMcpharter]

Fraternally yours for the Abolition of the Wages System.

[colombian18]

this is really good thanks for putting it up mate.

[MarxBakuninMe]

I know, I got the wrong party.

I actually got some info from them a few weeks back, but didn't pay much attention to it because I thought it was the Trot group; came across it again and realised my mistake. I might go to one of their meetings perhaps.

[pfbcarlisle]

Yeah, that's it ;>) No worries ...

Hope you enjoyed it.

[pfbcarlisle]

Er, not exactly "vs the Trots" ...!

[MarxBakuninMe]

Socialist Party of Great Britain? Ah, I got the wrong party am I right? I remember now, the SP-E&W were trying to nick your name. My mistake.

[MarxBakuninMe]

Ian Bone Vs. the Trots? Excellent, thanks for uploading!

[cajjer]

If only it was

That'd be interesting...