He has no right, on public property at a public school, to do this. These are little kids who see adults as himself as an authority and would as such feel they must join in. It might be different if this was a high school where the kids would not feel so compelled. Religion belongs at home and church and he has no right to inflict his brand of theism on children of different faiths or no faith.
hey if a bunch of kids want to talk to an invisible man before school it wouldnt hurt me feelings none. now if they are making kids pray in school thats where i start getting pissed
So let athiests and agnostics sue. There's nothing in the constitution about "church and state." Those kids can use the property to pray. It isn't part of the curriculum. The others should ignore it. In otherwords, athiests and agnostics should make it LAW or GTFO. The men and women of "logic" fail at their own game by neglecting this. PS: And I'm one failing with you, because frankly, I could care less to bitch about something so petty.
@500mgB12 Really? You're worried about the atheists and agnostics. They're not the ones approaching your kid in the school yard. If a Baptist pastor is allowed on school property to pray with children, you can bet your bottom dollar that lots of other people from all types of religious groups will be more than ready to have their day in court if you try to stop them doing the same. And they'll win.
if you are not a private school keep your religion out of government everything. school, politics, everything. the founding fathers separated the church and state for clear reasons.
How offensive. I cannot believe that people are allowed to say I don't want everyone to pray. That's fine. You can control and manipulate your children into believing there is no God but for mine...keep your hands and your off and the pray ON.
@ThirdRAILKink "Stupid" the educated womans word of choice. Look, you can force your children not to participate but don't tell my child what to do. Take down the flag. Why are we standing in front of a flag? Take away the text books...they are not teaching what I want my children to learn. Get the message yet? Neither you nor your children are required to stand there. But just don't call on God when you're in trouble either. That would be a Christian thing to do.
@ThirdRAILKink - children are held hostage by their own parents, by their schools, law enforcement, courts, attorneys, CPS/DCS/DFCS...so get rid of all those too. You can't have your cake and everyone elses too.
@usmcoth "You can control and manipulate your children into believing there is no God but for mine..."
really? that's what you're going with? children are born atheists. they are born with no knowledge of any kind. children (yours included) are indoctrinated from childhood to believe in some of the stupidest things humanly imaginable. like christianity. or islam. or scientology. all pretty much the same load of crap.
children cannot be manipulated into their default position.
Why the fuck do they always refer to secular organizations as "atheist" organizations. That is terrible fucking reporting. Seriously. Mad dishonest. Secularism has absolutely nothing to do with atheism...besides the fact that atheists are more likely to be secular because they are usually more educated and thus understand the constitution.
I just read a book at school, and near the end, one man's dad said to him, "If you were in the middle of the road, and you saw a truck coming straight at you, would you pray to the lord to save you? Or would you step out of the way" Praying does nothing but waste time. I knew 2 Muslims, both good guys, one of them got a disease, the other one said "I will pray for you, Allah won't let you die!", This is a true story, he died a very painful death. Stop praying, and start helping society!
Why are so-called "religious" people so aggressive and unpleasant? Why must they insist on flaunting their lifestyle in public? And how dare they target our innocent children upon whom to inflict their behavior?
He's a pervert! And worse than that, he's promoting psuedo science that's built on superstitions. He should be incarcerated like any male adult on school grounds.
i bet the president of america can declare a holy war against any non christian country and still have the support of the majority of the american people.
because europeans are gay comunists, muslims are terrorists and asian people are outcoursing the american jobs. THEY DOOK OUR DERP!!!!!!!
If you want to do the right thing, then for the next two years only research what is wrong with evolution and you'll have a different outlook on the whole debate. You see, all (or almost all) of us have been thoroughly schooled in the myth of evolution, because it was shoved down our throughts in public school. On the other hand, most haven't had a fair opportunity to understand what is so wrong with evolution. Try to do some honest research before you support one side of the debate.
@CoopersQuill Not really. You see evolution has been tested time and time again, and nothing has really turned it on its head as of yet, or mostly likely, ever will. Like if you see a object suddenly lift itself upwards, thats not going to change what we think about the theory of gravity. Most of the controversy is "religion". Most see that if evolution is really true, then theres no need for their god. Also "Throughts". I think you meant throats. Kind of like what religion does at every chance.
@FFXFREAK572 ---15 TRILLION dollars is not a national debt, it's a crime scene and many of our elected officials need to go to prison over this. We are not only bankrupt, but tens of trillions of dollars behind it, with absolutely no mechanism in place to pay it off, reduce it, nor stop the current trend of out-of-control spending. DC's wreckless behavior has put the entire economic future of this country at risk. WE NEED TRIALS, NOT ELECTIONS !
@CoopersQuill Though Evolution as a whole has not been completely proven, the idea of Natural Selection HAS been proven. It happens every year with the flu virus, and in schools natural selection is being taught. It SHOULD be taught.
@AllThatMakesUsHuman4 you don't get it. You can't hate something that doesn't exist. Also- most atheists are not angry at this so called god, they are angry at the teachings people try to force on everyone else. Atheists are angry at religion, not a non-exist being.
Also- Hitchens is being sarcastic when he says that. He doesn't believe in a god, he is trying to make a point that your god is indeed a dictator according to the bible.
@AllThatMakesUsHuman4 It's more like, there is no god, but even if there was one, we wouldn't care. We wouldn't worship him anyway. Some atheists say that if god was proven to be true, they'd worship him. Hitchens says, he wouldn't anyway. What I hate and what angers me is the hypocrisy of these religions and that people let 2000-year-old ideas rule today that are obsolete in a modern world.
One more thing. next year there are 7 groups hanging out under the flagpole before school. Christians, Jews, muslims, buddhists, FSM, atheists, etc. Now you have major traffic issues and the school zone becomes more dangerous.
Kids on there way to class before school, walk by the people praying and by sheer presence are put into a situation of whether to join in or not. There shouldn't be the ability to decide one way or another. The option shouldn't exist. That is the problem.
Matthew 6:6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
@thebeliva17 Why don't you leave the country? Maybe she doesn't want your cult brainwashing innocent children. Ever thought of that? Maybe you should pray for a brain.
Oh hi thar, I'm Ron. Do you mind if I invade your childrens school and pray with your kids every day at noon? They are practically asking to be prayed with!
Because if they are learning correctly, they'll come to the realization that there is no reason to believe in something that has no evidence to prove it's existence. By allowing prayer, children will become confused: "Why are you making us pray to a fairy tale creature?"
@Kashaan94 So you see it as a way of burdening them rather than enlightening them? On a different note you dont need to know the THEORY of evolution to practice brain surgery so its only real use is to get everone to the same dehumanized mentality that we are monkeys and we should just die that way. Also the reaction of decay cant exist out of nothing (nothing being dark matter/energy) which has been proven to be a fataly flawed thus giving no substance to the claimed origin of the universe.
@truth2350 well maybe not brain surgery, but gene therapy, antibiotics and deep sea fishing find evolution to be very practical so who cares if brain surgeons don't use it (assuming your assertion that they don't is true).
Oh and btw...truth is enlightenment. That is why children should spend their time learning science and not how to fear a loving god that has nothing to show of its existence but a book written by men and revised over and over again by men.
@tapasoflife You must have skipped the part at the end, let me repeat "the reaction of decay cant exist out of nothing (nothing being dark matter/energy) which has been proven to be a fataly flawed equation, thus giving no substance to the claimed origin of the universe." It was an assumption backed up by other half baked ideas. The only drive to evolution is dominance issues.
There is nothing enlightening about teaching prayer. Same reason we don't (and shouldn't) teach kids to pray to Flying White Unicorns.
As for your "side note": You are just like all the other apologists. You don't actually understand evolution, so you make uninformed ad homs against it. Step away from the preconceptions you got from being indoctrinated in the church, and follow the evidence.
@Kashaan94 Notice you didnt correct me, all you did was try say you were the one who is dominant (I dont blame you I blame the propaganda). Tell me how the reaction of decay can exist out of NOTHING. Also prayer is a form of meditation, maybe not to you but many see it that way. All I have gotten from you is belittling comments when all I did was try and strike up a conversation. If you dont believe my statement on Dark matter/energy go to telegraph dot co dot uk and look it up.
@truth2350 There's no need to correct nonsense. You don't have an understanding of physics, much less astrophysics, and the pseudo-science you are babbling is nonsense. You are doing nothing but regurgitating apologist nonsense. I have said nothing belittling. I was stating fact. You don't understand evolution. You don't understand physics, and you insulted me in the first post for not sharing your beliefs. I suggest you try going to Ironchariots website... you can learn a lot.
I think children should'nt be taught religion until they are old enough to think for themselves instead of "well my mommy told me ________ (jesus, bhudda, allah, osama bin laden)made (something too complicated for someone not educated on the subject to explain) "
I wish there actually HAD been a compulsory state religion for the people to rally against when this country was founded... look what happened in almost all of the European democracies
@Mirewood Evolution is a theory with plenty of flaws. If schools taught it as just a theory, then maybe there would be less stupidity involved in the whole thing. Anyways, I think what these atheist did was awful. It's demoralizing for the children, which were most likely all religious, and they disturbed a simple act of human faith and kindness.
There are far bigger religious abuses of power to be addressed, within and outwith America. These petty little cases often attract disproportionate media coverage and are ultimately counterproductive. As long as critical thinking is taught sufficiently in this same school, I don't think taking legal action over things like this should be the main priority of groups like the FFRF.
This is the same mentality of homofobes. You fear that children that witness certain behaviours while growing up will mimic these behaviours as aduts. BS! Individuals are ultimately unpredictable! Billions of people world wide have made the choice to leave their faith to practice other religions or to become athiest! It boils down to a matter of choice. Do you believe these kids are idiots & cannot make choices for themselves in the end? What gives you the right to meddle in others affairs?!
@angiesiege I think you answered your own question "What gives you the right to meddle in others affairs?!" And yes, they are kids. Much more likely to believe what an adult has to say when it is talked about in school... What force do atheists use? or strength in numbers? lol. Atheism is a lack of a belief in God.. Why don't CHRISTIANS mind their own business and keep THEIR beliefs out of the school system. Brainwashing thru public schools? intelligent design in science classrooms.
@SuperGiantpenguins FYI I am neither christian nor religious. If u had read all my posts u would know that. I agree that children are more likely to believe what is taught in a school. Providing the theory's of science as the only choice / fact is also brainwashing! As responsible adults we should provide all the options and let the children make their own choice. Are u afraid they might choose a different path than u if given that choice?
@angiesiege Never assumed/said you were Christian/religious. Science is a self-correcting mechanism. Science can't be brainwashing when the point of it is to find the true facts, and if later some of those facts turn out to be false, then great! kind of like Pluto? Everyone thought it was a planet but later in advancements in SCIENCE we found out that there are tons of 'bodies' out there where pluto is. We now know Pluto is not the biggest thing in it's orbit around the sun
@angiesiege what other options are you talking about? like young earth creatinist? That have no evidence except a 1900-1700 year old book written by a bunch of sheep herders living during the copper-era? I have no problem with people learning about other spiritual paths. It's one of the things I, myself enjoy doing (I'm an Atheist btw). Just don't do it in Science classroom, do it in an English or somethin. Don't have someone that doesn't work at the school show up every week to recite prayers.
@SuperGiantpenguins Free will & individuality is what makes us unique & human. Why would u want to squash that? This isn't the dark ages. No guns being held to peoples heads to force them to buy into Christianity or any other religion for that matter! Why are you so afraid of and offended by others beliefs? Bringing frivolous lawsuits to have crosses removed from signs & trying to enforce prayer bans on christian school children is asinine & a waste of taxpayer dollars! Thats not meddling?
@angiesiege the ten commandments are on gov't buildings, god we trust on the dollar bill, under god in the national anthem, being underoath having to swear on a religious book. That's pretty damn close into forcing people to have spiritual beliefs on some level. The lawsuits: that's the officials fault. Don't blame the people trying to get rid of oppression. And yes that does suck that people are so closed minded that it takes yours and my tax money to fix the problem.
@SuperGiantpenguins Hey I kinda like your style Supergiantpenguin guy. You're not affraid to speak your mind and use some pretty interesting arguments. Do me a favor? Take a look at the back of a dollar bill. Pay close attention to the pyramid with the eye at the top. Have you heard of the "eye of Ra"? Heres a crazy thought... could it be that the "God" that our gov is referring to is Ra? Hmmm... "In Ra We Trust"? What are your thoughts?
@angiesiege kind of... I talked to a co-worker about that today who is a big history buff. What he said was a lot of the founding fathers were Freemasons (people who are directly related to the Templars[English knights during the Crusades]) The Templars used the Eye of Ra for some spiritual reason. He said there's another reference to Freemasons somewhere else on the dollar bill. I havent done any research myself so these aren't my claims.
@SuperGiantpenguins Sorry... I made a mistake It's actually the eye or Horus not Ra. Tantilizing thought anyway. Sorry if I came accross as a bit abrasive. Sometimes the best way to get an intreguing conversation going is to start with a controversial subject. I admire peoples differences because it makes this world an interesting place to live in. To me there is no right or wrong opinion and nobody should be persecuted for their beliefs. I think people should focus on freedom to avoid division.
@angiesiege :D I understand your point. The only problem is that religion can be harmful; I'm not saying it IS harmful. People can and do use religion to take advantage of others, some are actually pyschologically scared. Meaning if there is evidence that goes against their faith, they will either mentally block it out or make outrages claims to try to support their beliefs. I would hate to see the next generations fall into these similar patterns which could bring about a neo-dark ages
@SuperGiantpenguins I completely understand your fears. There are no easy answers but I believe if more people taught their children to understand and appreciate all the different beliefs without bias those kids would grow up less bigoted. I've done just that with my daughter. I provided the basic information on the different religions and athieism and let her decide which path was best for her. She has become a non-biased, well rounded adult as a result. Anything is possible.
@SuperGiantpenguins I understand your concerns. There are no easy answers but I believe if more people taught their children to understand and appreciate all the different beliefs WITHOUT BIAS those kids would grow up less bigoted. I've done just that with my daughter. I provided the basic information on the different religions and athieism and let her decide which path was best for her. She has become a well rounded adult & is respectful of others beliefs. Anything is possible.
@SuperGiantpenguins There are far more important issues in this world than peoples religious beliefs! Worry about your own children and let those parents worry about theirs! Damn! Has freedom become obsolete and I missed the memo? >.<
Hypocrites! You people are using a mob mentality! You think you can force everyone to believe what you believe through force, strength in numbers, brainwashing through public schools, and frivilous lawsuits! You are just as guilty as christians for trying to shove your beliefs down others throats! How can you take pride in controlling freedom of choice? Your actions go against everything you profess to stand for! Mind you own business & let people make their own decisions!
Why do athiests fear others religious faith / beliefs? We do not live in the dark ages & nobody is putting a gun to anybodys head. If these kids don't believe in a God all the prayers in the world will not change their minds! I was raised to be Lutheran but have not practiced any religion since i was a teen. I raised my daughter to make her own choice & she chose to be Christian. Give people credit & let them have a mind of their own. You are just as guilty of trying to control / force others!
For once, I don't support FFRF. I don't see anything wrong or unconstitutional with kids voluntarily praying at a flagpole before the school day even begins. It's not during school time, it's away from everyone else, it's not endorsed or encouraged or sanctioned by the school, it's voluntary, and it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, I don't see the point in pursuing this.
@AgainstZombies I am an atheist... and a very outspoken one... but I see your point. Unfortunately, I don't think this video gave us enough information. Are these kids a select bunch who are voluntarily participating? Or are all students being required to do it? I agree that prayer in schools, or anywhere else, is perfectly fine. U.S. citizens are guaranteed the right to exercise their religion - the problem comes in when the prayers are teacher-led. I'm not sure which is the case here.
@legionmantis Yes, 100% agree with you 100%, we don't have all the information, but with the information that the video does give us, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Of course if anything like what you are suggesting is in fact happening then it is a blatant violation of the constitution and so its current mode of operation must end.
@AgainstZombies In my opinion the FFRF does have some basis for an argument. The issue their raising is that a pastor, a "person of influence," (which would include examples such as a teacher) is influencing the kids with his religious opinion on school property, and as a "person of influence," is endorsing one belief over another. I'm not against kids meeting at a flag pole to pray provided it is not on school time and that it is student led.
@AgainstZombies Actually- the school has been endorsing it. The principle sent out a sheet to the employees and parents telling them to participate in the prayer.
I've been listening to this issue from the FFRF and other sources, and I do support the lawsuit.
Why fight this - let him stop on his own. The school should reach out to satanists and Muslims and Scientologists and Mormons and make sure that each day of the week forces children to worship a different god. After the first week, Christian parents will be the biggest backers of kicking this Bible-thumper off school property.
OK, Fick it, I'm tired of them making Atheists look like whining cry babies. Here's my proposal, You can have your prayerall and all must attend must attend, Directly followed by Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Satanists.... The first period of every public school will be mandatory religion class. The tennets of ALL major religions will be covered w/ no proseletyzing by a teacher's that do not a believe in the religion being covered. I think this is the best way to lead students to Atheism.
I love how he mentions that "God and Country run deep". The damn mutha friggin constitution says "SEPARATION of Church and State". Let me define separation for ya. "separation: act of keeping away from each other; division"
I was wondering what the problem with the kids praying before school was... and then the fact that a pastor was coming on school grounds and leading it was reveled. These guys know how to just step over the line don't they.
Wow. As a parent, I'd be angry - but crap happens. All I can say is that my sons would be far too smart to join in to that kind of cultish behaviour, they would mock it as it deserves to be mocked. Raise your kids right, everyone, and dwell on critical thought. I asked my kids when they were 3 & 5 if the idea a large, invisible guy who watched everything they did felt right "in their tummies". It didn't. This appears to be only one freak - it doesn't appear to be taxpayer funded.
All i can say is that if I went to a school to pick up my child and I saw a pastor walking around the playground trying to convert him and his friends and have them join him in a little prayer circle, i would be livid.
Let''s find out if what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why don't we all show up on his church's property one sunday to teach comparative religion.
Most atheist i know dont go around shoving there non beleif in a god down others throats like christians do, and when a christian finds out your not one of them, theyre the first to attack you or shove there religion in your face.
@bud8fan1 It depends on where you live. Wherever there's a majority there's an ego boost for that particular group and a mob mentality is likely to form. The other group won't shove their beliefs in the majority's face to avoid confrontation. Instead, we take to the Internet to unload.
The fact that we have nuclear capabilities, combined with the global ideology that true rewards only come in the afterlife, is the main reason that beliefs in Gods need to cease to exist.
"Mankind can never get rid of the need for religious self-identification:
who am I, where did I come from, where do I fit in, why am I responsible, what does my life mean? how will I face death?
Religion is a paramount aspect of human culture. Religious need cannot be ex-communicated from culture by rationalist incantation. Man does not live by reason alone."
When I was a child in school, each morning before class began, she would read a portion of scripture from the Bible and have a word of prayer with the students. No one was damaged by it nor were any laws broken because there were no laws to break. That was the norm before the atheist crackpots got their fingers in the pie in recent years.
I've read the Jefferson letter as well as to soviet constitution, as the baptist pastor who was concerned about having the state kept out of church bizness was given assurance in his letter to the pastor by Jefferson that the church would be kept safe from state domination by the wall mentioned. That wall was not the same kind of socialist "separation of church and state" being conned on the American people now. Jefferson was NOT a socialist.
Stop it NOW! It is a violation of separation of church and state. It they let them pray, then let anyone pray and let demonic groups "pray." Then take away the non-profit 501 status of church leading speech.
Well the prayer procedure in it self obviously does nothing, so it's not harmful, but the consequences of people believing it actually works is another thing.
Ok then, let the old guy do his thing and pray in front of the school. But that means that you have to open the door for every religion retard to do the same. Christians,Muslims , Mormons and the people who still pray to the god of corn. Keep the school free of all religions, let the kids be kids and learn their fucking math . If they want to be retards when they grow up, they will make up their minds later and find a retarded church to go to.
A public school is a publicly funded government institution, in which is by constitutional rule must not endorse or allow any specifically religious practice on it's grounds.
And for the record, a child does not have the independent thinking ability to go or not go. He will follow his friends or be ostracized. That is not a decision, it is coercion
Ugh! (rolls eyes) Ok, the separation of church and state means simply that affairs of the state are not influenced by the motivations of establishments, and vice versa. To allow one religion to preach to children on public school grounds and not every other belief system also means that the government would be endorsing one religious view over another, which is constitutionally illegal.
@jkeaty2 It's funny that you roll your eyes before proceeding to correct yourself. Thanks for proving this isn't a violation of separation of church and state, but there's one more thing. You assume, for no good reason, that people of other religions aren't being allowed to pray at this school.
I did not, nor did I have to correct myself. I clarified my statement. Do not put words in my mouth. and the rest of your post is proving that you are a troll. I never said any of that.
@jkeaty2 Then I misunderstood you...or you are being dishonest about what you said...or the proper understanding of what you said would reveal that it was totally irrelevant...anyway, this isn't a violation of separation of church and state. I would only be offended if my child was being forced to participate. Most people here seem offended because they are prejudice against religious people. Being selectively tolerant is what's wrong with this whole movement.
Ok, let's clarify a little. It violates separation because it is held on publicly owned grounds. It does not matter that it is voluntary, we are talking about elementary age children that have no real ability to make sound decisions. (Otherwise they would not have invented parents right?) Being seen to be tolerant of any religion to dominate a school (in this case Baptist) is in effect endorsing one over another. See what I mean?
If a religion is proselytizing in a school, then it is the dominate religion if it is the only one. Do not only think of a mistress with a whip ok? and we are talking children.
so you are saying that a child can make a logical decision about something as important as their immortal destiny? They can barely decide what they want for their afternoon snack. They are being coerced, plain and simple.
@jkeaty2 Deciding their immortal destiny? Was that part of this particular prayer, or are you riding the slippery slope fallacy to the most dramatic place it will take you? You're not even discussing the event in question. When I was a child, I was forced by the public school system to recite the pledge of allegiance every day. Did it inspire me to sacrifice my life to Patrioticus, the deity of the U.S. Army? Nope. Not only that but I used to think part of the pledge was "for witch's stand"...
@WolfSyndrome My point is you are blowing this up way bigger than it is, you clearly don't understand the constitution, and you fight with the same irrational, emotionally charged blindness as that of a Christian apologist. Selective tolerance is what's wrong with this movement. It's just people becoming the very thing they hate.
@WolfSyndrome Do not try to lecture me about the constitution sonny. I had to study it. Ok, lets try a thinking excercise. I Muslim Imam is leading kids in morning prayers at your kid's school. Your kid goes;" Oh wow, my friend is over there doing it, and he invited me" He starts doing the allah ackbar stuff, directly against what you want him to learn (christain, jewish, mormon or atheist) Is this what you want? Obviously not, but this is how some children get roped in.
In a public setting, this is not acceptable. I would not want my child to be learning something that I am adamantly and fundamentally opposed to on many many levels. Not just because I do not think that it is true (which is obviously the case in part) but because the Islamic religion can very easily be misconstrued into a justification for things like the 9/11 attacks. Christian fundamentalism (as baptists tend to be) do things like blow up women's clinics
The clause "separation of church and state" is not found the US constitution, but it is in the constitution of the atheist/communist former Soviet Union. For the founding fathers of the US to have wanted "separation of church and state", they would have had to have been socialists/communists/atheists/humanists. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW IN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF THIS NATION!
God and country run deep, but if I wanted my children learning about BS, I would have enrolled them in a religion backed school. On the other hand, if I let my children go to public school, they have to encounter other beliefs. Every good parent says "Let them grow up to make their own decisions." As an atheist, I think you're being too righteous if you try to shelter your children from religion. Remember, god and country run deep!!!
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Take "in god we trust" off the dollar and "one nation under god" out of the pledge!
TasteOfVengeance5 2 weeks ago
it's unconstitutional. end of arguement.
TheCyberScrub 3 weeks ago
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Moosinat0r 1 month ago
He has no right, on public property at a public school, to do this. These are little kids who see adults as himself as an authority and would as such feel they must join in. It might be different if this was a high school where the kids would not feel so compelled. Religion belongs at home and church and he has no right to inflict his brand of theism on children of different faiths or no faith.
BarbaraJD 1 month ago 2
hey if a bunch of kids want to talk to an invisible man before school it wouldnt hurt me feelings none. now if they are making kids pray in school thats where i start getting pissed
onijimbo 1 month ago
So let athiests and agnostics sue. There's nothing in the constitution about "church and state." Those kids can use the property to pray. It isn't part of the curriculum. The others should ignore it. In otherwords, athiests and agnostics should make it LAW or GTFO. The men and women of "logic" fail at their own game by neglecting this. PS: And I'm one failing with you, because frankly, I could care less to bitch about something so petty.
500mgB12 2 months ago
@500mgB12 Really? You're worried about the atheists and agnostics. They're not the ones approaching your kid in the school yard. If a Baptist pastor is allowed on school property to pray with children, you can bet your bottom dollar that lots of other people from all types of religious groups will be more than ready to have their day in court if you try to stop them doing the same. And they'll win.
Smithpolly 1 month ago
I would have a serious problem with this if my kids went to this school. Child molesters are everywhere, including in the churches.
MrHaggis03 2 months ago
Trying to brianwash kids as always.
lebronjamesXD 2 months ago
if you are not a private school keep your religion out of government everything. school, politics, everything. the founding fathers separated the church and state for clear reasons.
asdfbobbyasdf 2 months ago
ANNIHILATE SUPERSTITION!!!
GnosticHumanist 2 months ago
How offensive. I cannot believe that people are allowed to say I don't want everyone to pray. That's fine. You can control and manipulate your children into believing there is no God but for mine...keep your hands and your off and the pray ON.
usmcoth 2 months ago
@usmcoth You are complaining about people manipulation, and you are a christian. That is like a black guy being member of kkk
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@usmcoth
Are you really that stupid? It's religious people who control and manipulate children into a belief system.
ThirdRAILKink 2 months ago
@ThirdRAILKink "Stupid" the educated womans word of choice. Look, you can force your children not to participate but don't tell my child what to do. Take down the flag. Why are we standing in front of a flag? Take away the text books...they are not teaching what I want my children to learn. Get the message yet? Neither you nor your children are required to stand there. But just don't call on God when you're in trouble either. That would be a Christian thing to do.
usmcoth 2 months ago
@ThirdRAILKink - children are held hostage by their own parents, by their schools, law enforcement, courts, attorneys, CPS/DCS/DFCS...so get rid of all those too. You can't have your cake and everyone elses too.
usmcoth 2 months ago
@usmcoth "You can control and manipulate your children into believing there is no God but for mine..."
really? that's what you're going with? children are born atheists. they are born with no knowledge of any kind. children (yours included) are indoctrinated from childhood to believe in some of the stupidest things humanly imaginable. like christianity. or islam. or scientology. all pretty much the same load of crap.
children cannot be manipulated into their default position.
clutterfish 2 months ago
Why the fuck do they always refer to secular organizations as "atheist" organizations. That is terrible fucking reporting. Seriously. Mad dishonest. Secularism has absolutely nothing to do with atheism...besides the fact that atheists are more likely to be secular because they are usually more educated and thus understand the constitution.
Religious jackasses.
goonodeath 2 months ago
I just read a book at school, and near the end, one man's dad said to him, "If you were in the middle of the road, and you saw a truck coming straight at you, would you pray to the lord to save you? Or would you step out of the way" Praying does nothing but waste time. I knew 2 Muslims, both good guys, one of them got a disease, the other one said "I will pray for you, Allah won't let you die!", This is a true story, he died a very painful death. Stop praying, and start helping society!
Bagelstorm 2 months ago
so that creepy motherfucker is there everyday? pedo!
Xarai 2 months ago
Why are so-called "religious" people so aggressive and unpleasant? Why must they insist on flaunting their lifestyle in public? And how dare they target our innocent children upon whom to inflict their behavior?
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
This is borderline child abuse, it is nothing but indoctrination and should be outlawed!!
TheGantZball 2 months ago
fucking christians
anonymousDerp 2 months ago
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Religion has no place in school just like facts have no place in religion.
usukatlifegodiekthx 2 months ago
Yeah, let's scare the children into believing!! That will always work! AVALANCHE!
JJtheJaxartosaurus 2 months ago
He's a pervert! And worse than that, he's promoting psuedo science that's built on superstitions. He should be incarcerated like any male adult on school grounds.
cropdusterfull 2 months ago
@cropdusterfull I should say, any male adult TRESPASSING on school grounds. Sorry about that.
cropdusterfull 2 months ago
For the school board to allow this is sick.
MrJohnnyrace 2 months ago
Keep the old codger away from our schools.
accent77 2 months ago
This old fool has no place in education, nor does any religion.
orbital92hotmail 3 months ago 2
@macman2324 : Whow, did we actually find a religious wanker who still tries to shift the burden of proof?
Go bother your zombie, idiot.
bary1234 3 months ago
@macman2324 oops, I was mistaken, we came from a dirt man and a rib woman who got conned by a talking snake, rofl.
l337pwnage 3 months ago
i bet the president of america can declare a holy war against any non christian country and still have the support of the majority of the american people.
because europeans are gay comunists, muslims are terrorists and asian people are outcoursing the american jobs. THEY DOOK OUR DERP!!!!!!!
iomza 3 months ago
If you want to do the right thing, then for the next two years only research what is wrong with evolution and you'll have a different outlook on the whole debate. You see, all (or almost all) of us have been thoroughly schooled in the myth of evolution, because it was shoved down our throughts in public school. On the other hand, most haven't had a fair opportunity to understand what is so wrong with evolution. Try to do some honest research before you support one side of the debate.
CoopersQuill 3 months ago
@CoopersQuill Not really. You see evolution has been tested time and time again, and nothing has really turned it on its head as of yet, or mostly likely, ever will. Like if you see a object suddenly lift itself upwards, thats not going to change what we think about the theory of gravity. Most of the controversy is "religion". Most see that if evolution is really true, then theres no need for their god. Also "Throughts". I think you meant throats. Kind of like what religion does at every chance.
FFXFREAK572 3 months ago
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@FFXFREAK572 ---15 TRILLION dollars is not a national debt, it's a crime scene and many of our elected officials need to go to prison over this. We are not only bankrupt, but tens of trillions of dollars behind it, with absolutely no mechanism in place to pay it off, reduce it, nor stop the current trend of out-of-control spending. DC's wreckless behavior has put the entire economic future of this country at risk. WE NEED TRIALS, NOT ELECTIONS !
CoopersQuill 3 months ago
@CoopersQuill Evolution is the most proven theory ever developed by science.
/watch?v=eGmLDKQp_Qc
There is not even a debate among anyone who understands science at all.
l337pwnage 3 months ago
@CoopersQuill Though Evolution as a whole has not been completely proven, the idea of Natural Selection HAS been proven. It happens every year with the flu virus, and in schools natural selection is being taught. It SHOULD be taught.
FrivolousKnowledge 2 months ago
@AllThatMakesUsHuman4 you don't get it. You can't hate something that doesn't exist. Also- most atheists are not angry at this so called god, they are angry at the teachings people try to force on everyone else. Atheists are angry at religion, not a non-exist being.
Also- Hitchens is being sarcastic when he says that. He doesn't believe in a god, he is trying to make a point that your god is indeed a dictator according to the bible.
PaleoClipper 3 months ago
Looks like a pedophile to me.
tonkashouse 3 months ago
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I guarantee you that a number of those children are being sexually abused by the visiting priests. Mark my words if you dare.
fdasherv 3 months ago
@AllThatMakesUsHuman4
1: Religions are lies.
2. Atheists hate lies.
bary1234 3 months ago 52
@AllThatMakesUsHuman4 It's more like, there is no god, but even if there was one, we wouldn't care. We wouldn't worship him anyway. Some atheists say that if god was proven to be true, they'd worship him. Hitchens says, he wouldn't anyway. What I hate and what angers me is the hypocrisy of these religions and that people let 2000-year-old ideas rule today that are obsolete in a modern world.
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One more thing. next year there are 7 groups hanging out under the flagpole before school. Christians, Jews, muslims, buddhists, FSM, atheists, etc. Now you have major traffic issues and the school zone becomes more dangerous.
nashkita77 3 months ago
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Kids on there way to class before school, walk by the people praying and by sheer presence are put into a situation of whether to join in or not. There shouldn't be the ability to decide one way or another. The option shouldn't exist. That is the problem.
nashkita77 3 months ago
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nashkita77 3 months ago
This guy just takes it upon himself to interact with young children when their parents aren't around? I can see a huge concern there.
laprofessorapai 3 months ago
PRAYING IS FOR PRAYGROUNDS.
vitaminsandstds 3 months ago
Wow i would sue if these con artists tried brainwashing my kid.
100101010101010100 3 months ago
Matthew 6:6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
mrfoxtalbot 3 months ago
that ladie is a stupid. take your fucking atheist ass and leave this country.. learning can wait but prayer comes first
thebeliva17 3 months ago
@thebeliva17 Why don't you leave the country? Maybe she doesn't want your cult brainwashing innocent children. Ever thought of that? Maybe you should pray for a brain.
100101010101010100 3 months ago
@thebeliva17 Learning can wait? Yeah, that's what most 3rd world countries said, and look where they are. There is nothing more useless than praying.
BlackDevilJayko 3 months ago 20
Science>Religion
pgeske 3 months ago
Praying? masturbation is better than praying..
HalcyonAugust2 3 months ago
Oh hi thar, I'm Ron. Do you mind if I invade your childrens school and pray with your kids every day at noon? They are practically asking to be prayed with!
kebakent 3 months ago
bring on the avalanche!
neverine2000 3 months ago
Kids can believe anything. I love how the missionaries target the young and stupid.
lebronjamesXD 3 months ago
You're supposed to pray in a closet, or in a private room. But why let the bible get in the way of....well......the bible.
DaHonestAbe 3 months ago
No one needs to pray, because it's like saying you could control god. That's if there was a god or gods in the first place.
leflipmo 3 months ago
They can learn and pray, whats the big deal? If you dont like it then dont do it.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350
Because if they are learning correctly, they'll come to the realization that there is no reason to believe in something that has no evidence to prove it's existence. By allowing prayer, children will become confused: "Why are you making us pray to a fairy tale creature?"
Kashaan94 3 months ago
@Kashaan94 So you see it as a way of burdening them rather than enlightening them? On a different note you dont need to know the THEORY of evolution to practice brain surgery so its only real use is to get everone to the same dehumanized mentality that we are monkeys and we should just die that way. Also the reaction of decay cant exist out of nothing (nothing being dark matter/energy) which has been proven to be a fataly flawed thus giving no substance to the claimed origin of the universe.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 well maybe not brain surgery, but gene therapy, antibiotics and deep sea fishing find evolution to be very practical so who cares if brain surgeons don't use it (assuming your assertion that they don't is true).
Oh and btw...truth is enlightenment. That is why children should spend their time learning science and not how to fear a loving god that has nothing to show of its existence but a book written by men and revised over and over again by men.
tapasoflife 3 months ago
@tapasoflife You must have skipped the part at the end, let me repeat "the reaction of decay cant exist out of nothing (nothing being dark matter/energy) which has been proven to be a fataly flawed equation, thus giving no substance to the claimed origin of the universe." It was an assumption backed up by other half baked ideas. The only drive to evolution is dominance issues.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350
There is nothing enlightening about teaching prayer. Same reason we don't (and shouldn't) teach kids to pray to Flying White Unicorns.
As for your "side note": You are just like all the other apologists. You don't actually understand evolution, so you make uninformed ad homs against it. Step away from the preconceptions you got from being indoctrinated in the church, and follow the evidence.
Kashaan94 3 months ago
@Kashaan94 Notice you didnt correct me, all you did was try say you were the one who is dominant (I dont blame you I blame the propaganda). Tell me how the reaction of decay can exist out of NOTHING. Also prayer is a form of meditation, maybe not to you but many see it that way. All I have gotten from you is belittling comments when all I did was try and strike up a conversation. If you dont believe my statement on Dark matter/energy go to telegraph dot co dot uk and look it up.
truth2350 3 months ago
@truth2350 There's no need to correct nonsense. You don't have an understanding of physics, much less astrophysics, and the pseudo-science you are babbling is nonsense. You are doing nothing but regurgitating apologist nonsense. I have said nothing belittling. I was stating fact. You don't understand evolution. You don't understand physics, and you insulted me in the first post for not sharing your beliefs. I suggest you try going to Ironchariots website... you can learn a lot.
Kashaan94 3 months ago
The local churches are always sending kids to my door. Why do they do this?
MrRoachclips 3 months ago
am I the only 1 who cringes when hearing a pastor or priest was alone with children ?
Darcsied27 3 months ago
I think children should'nt be taught religion until they are old enough to think for themselves instead of "well my mommy told me ________ (jesus, bhudda, allah, osama bin laden)made (something too complicated for someone not educated on the subject to explain) "
juanaguilar45 3 months ago
I wish there actually HAD been a compulsory state religion for the people to rally against when this country was founded... look what happened in almost all of the European democracies
trailerparkprince 3 months ago
If you don"t pray at my school, I won't think in your church
trailerparkprince 3 months ago
For how long do they pray?
OptimalElement 3 months ago
oh my.....what a horrible waste of time
KeySour 3 months ago
@Mirewood Evolution is a theory with plenty of flaws. If schools taught it as just a theory, then maybe there would be less stupidity involved in the whole thing. Anyways, I think what these atheist did was awful. It's demoralizing for the children, which were most likely all religious, and they disturbed a simple act of human faith and kindness.
zillajratomicray 3 months ago
@Mirewood Same goes for everything in life. Even atheism.
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There are far bigger religious abuses of power to be addressed, within and outwith America. These petty little cases often attract disproportionate media coverage and are ultimately counterproductive. As long as critical thinking is taught sufficiently in this same school, I don't think taking legal action over things like this should be the main priority of groups like the FFRF.
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lmgoose 3 months ago
This is the same mentality of homofobes. You fear that children that witness certain behaviours while growing up will mimic these behaviours as aduts. BS! Individuals are ultimately unpredictable! Billions of people world wide have made the choice to leave their faith to practice other religions or to become athiest! It boils down to a matter of choice. Do you believe these kids are idiots & cannot make choices for themselves in the end? What gives you the right to meddle in others affairs?!
angiesiege 3 months ago
@angiesiege I think you answered your own question "What gives you the right to meddle in others affairs?!" And yes, they are kids. Much more likely to believe what an adult has to say when it is talked about in school... What force do atheists use? or strength in numbers? lol. Atheism is a lack of a belief in God.. Why don't CHRISTIANS mind their own business and keep THEIR beliefs out of the school system. Brainwashing thru public schools? intelligent design in science classrooms.
SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins FYI I am neither christian nor religious. If u had read all my posts u would know that. I agree that children are more likely to believe what is taught in a school. Providing the theory's of science as the only choice / fact is also brainwashing! As responsible adults we should provide all the options and let the children make their own choice. Are u afraid they might choose a different path than u if given that choice?
angiesiege 3 months ago
@angiesiege Never assumed/said you were Christian/religious. Science is a self-correcting mechanism. Science can't be brainwashing when the point of it is to find the true facts, and if later some of those facts turn out to be false, then great! kind of like Pluto? Everyone thought it was a planet but later in advancements in SCIENCE we found out that there are tons of 'bodies' out there where pluto is. We now know Pluto is not the biggest thing in it's orbit around the sun
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SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@angiesiege what other options are you talking about? like young earth creatinist? That have no evidence except a 1900-1700 year old book written by a bunch of sheep herders living during the copper-era? I have no problem with people learning about other spiritual paths. It's one of the things I, myself enjoy doing (I'm an Atheist btw). Just don't do it in Science classroom, do it in an English or somethin. Don't have someone that doesn't work at the school show up every week to recite prayers.
SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins Free will & individuality is what makes us unique & human. Why would u want to squash that? This isn't the dark ages. No guns being held to peoples heads to force them to buy into Christianity or any other religion for that matter! Why are you so afraid of and offended by others beliefs? Bringing frivolous lawsuits to have crosses removed from signs & trying to enforce prayer bans on christian school children is asinine & a waste of taxpayer dollars! Thats not meddling?
angiesiege 3 months ago
@angiesiege the ten commandments are on gov't buildings, god we trust on the dollar bill, under god in the national anthem, being underoath having to swear on a religious book. That's pretty damn close into forcing people to have spiritual beliefs on some level. The lawsuits: that's the officials fault. Don't blame the people trying to get rid of oppression. And yes that does suck that people are so closed minded that it takes yours and my tax money to fix the problem.
SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins Hey I kinda like your style Supergiantpenguin guy. You're not affraid to speak your mind and use some pretty interesting arguments. Do me a favor? Take a look at the back of a dollar bill. Pay close attention to the pyramid with the eye at the top. Have you heard of the "eye of Ra"? Heres a crazy thought... could it be that the "God" that our gov is referring to is Ra? Hmmm... "In Ra We Trust"? What are your thoughts?
angiesiege 3 months ago
@angiesiege kind of... I talked to a co-worker about that today who is a big history buff. What he said was a lot of the founding fathers were Freemasons (people who are directly related to the Templars[English knights during the Crusades]) The Templars used the Eye of Ra for some spiritual reason. He said there's another reference to Freemasons somewhere else on the dollar bill. I havent done any research myself so these aren't my claims.
SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins Sorry... I made a mistake It's actually the eye or Horus not Ra. Tantilizing thought anyway. Sorry if I came accross as a bit abrasive. Sometimes the best way to get an intreguing conversation going is to start with a controversial subject. I admire peoples differences because it makes this world an interesting place to live in. To me there is no right or wrong opinion and nobody should be persecuted for their beliefs. I think people should focus on freedom to avoid division.
angiesiege 3 months ago
@angiesiege :D I understand your point. The only problem is that religion can be harmful; I'm not saying it IS harmful. People can and do use religion to take advantage of others, some are actually pyschologically scared. Meaning if there is evidence that goes against their faith, they will either mentally block it out or make outrages claims to try to support their beliefs. I would hate to see the next generations fall into these similar patterns which could bring about a neo-dark ages
SuperGiantpenguins 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins I completely understand your fears. There are no easy answers but I believe if more people taught their children to understand and appreciate all the different beliefs without bias those kids would grow up less bigoted. I've done just that with my daughter. I provided the basic information on the different religions and athieism and let her decide which path was best for her. She has become a non-biased, well rounded adult as a result. Anything is possible.
angiesiege 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins I understand your concerns. There are no easy answers but I believe if more people taught their children to understand and appreciate all the different beliefs WITHOUT BIAS those kids would grow up less bigoted. I've done just that with my daughter. I provided the basic information on the different religions and athieism and let her decide which path was best for her. She has become a well rounded adult & is respectful of others beliefs. Anything is possible.
angiesiege 3 months ago
@SuperGiantpenguins There are far more important issues in this world than peoples religious beliefs! Worry about your own children and let those parents worry about theirs! Damn! Has freedom become obsolete and I missed the memo? >.<
angiesiege 3 months ago
Hypocrites! You people are using a mob mentality! You think you can force everyone to believe what you believe through force, strength in numbers, brainwashing through public schools, and frivilous lawsuits! You are just as guilty as christians for trying to shove your beliefs down others throats! How can you take pride in controlling freedom of choice? Your actions go against everything you profess to stand for! Mind you own business & let people make their own decisions!
angiesiege 3 months ago
Why do athiests fear others religious faith / beliefs? We do not live in the dark ages & nobody is putting a gun to anybodys head. If these kids don't believe in a God all the prayers in the world will not change their minds! I was raised to be Lutheran but have not practiced any religion since i was a teen. I raised my daughter to make her own choice & she chose to be Christian. Give people credit & let them have a mind of their own. You are just as guilty of trying to control / force others!
angiesiege 3 months ago
Wow, the pastor muddles his words but can't hide the threatening tone.
robtheman74 3 months ago
@Mirewood
Excellent summary.
dtorfleming 3 months ago
Poisoning the minds of kids is child abuse.
visvaldisX 3 months ago
Playing in the playground has more value than praying
MrSwedenik 3 months ago 27
Do the school administrators actually make the kids report to the damn pole to hear this prayer every Monday??
jerico641 3 months ago
For once, I don't support FFRF. I don't see anything wrong or unconstitutional with kids voluntarily praying at a flagpole before the school day even begins. It's not during school time, it's away from everyone else, it's not endorsed or encouraged or sanctioned by the school, it's voluntary, and it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, I don't see the point in pursuing this.
AgainstZombies 3 months ago 7
@AgainstZombies I am an atheist... and a very outspoken one... but I see your point. Unfortunately, I don't think this video gave us enough information. Are these kids a select bunch who are voluntarily participating? Or are all students being required to do it? I agree that prayer in schools, or anywhere else, is perfectly fine. U.S. citizens are guaranteed the right to exercise their religion - the problem comes in when the prayers are teacher-led. I'm not sure which is the case here.
legionmantis 3 months ago
@legionmantis Yes, 100% agree with you 100%, we don't have all the information, but with the information that the video does give us, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Of course if anything like what you are suggesting is in fact happening then it is a blatant violation of the constitution and so its current mode of operation must end.
AgainstZombies 3 months ago
@AgainstZombies In my opinion the FFRF does have some basis for an argument. The issue their raising is that a pastor, a "person of influence," (which would include examples such as a teacher) is influencing the kids with his religious opinion on school property, and as a "person of influence," is endorsing one belief over another. I'm not against kids meeting at a flag pole to pray provided it is not on school time and that it is student led.
Bloodian 3 months ago
@AgainstZombies Actually- the school has been endorsing it. The principle sent out a sheet to the employees and parents telling them to participate in the prayer.
I've been listening to this issue from the FFRF and other sources, and I do support the lawsuit.
PaleoClipper 3 months ago
@PaleoClipper If that is the case, then I also support the lawsuit.
AgainstZombies 3 months ago
Why fight this - let him stop on his own. The school should reach out to satanists and Muslims and Scientologists and Mormons and make sure that each day of the week forces children to worship a different god. After the first week, Christian parents will be the biggest backers of kicking this Bible-thumper off school property.
1n354a 3 months ago
@Mirewood omg. i'm gonna use your quote at the next dinner table debate.
ivanmikhailov 3 months ago
OK, Fick it, I'm tired of them making Atheists look like whining cry babies. Here's my proposal, You can have your prayerall and all must attend must attend, Directly followed by Muslim, Jewish, Mormon, Satanists.... The first period of every public school will be mandatory religion class. The tennets of ALL major religions will be covered w/ no proseletyzing by a teacher's that do not a believe in the religion being covered. I think this is the best way to lead students to Atheism.
AdUtrumquePeratus76 3 months ago
I love how he mentions that "God and Country run deep". The damn mutha friggin constitution says "SEPARATION of Church and State". Let me define separation for ya. "separation: act of keeping away from each other; division"
LongHairedAntelope 3 months ago
@Mirewood you also forgot to add this one:
It's not okay that you demand that we worship it...
CuriousAznBoi 3 months ago
I was wondering what the problem with the kids praying before school was... and then the fact that a pastor was coming on school grounds and leading it was reveled. These guys know how to just step over the line don't they.
mafuletrekkie 3 months ago
Wow. As a parent, I'd be angry - but crap happens. All I can say is that my sons would be far too smart to join in to that kind of cultish behaviour, they would mock it as it deserves to be mocked. Raise your kids right, everyone, and dwell on critical thought. I asked my kids when they were 3 & 5 if the idea a large, invisible guy who watched everything they did felt right "in their tummies". It didn't. This appears to be only one freak - it doesn't appear to be taxpayer funded.
samiam9663 3 months ago
All i can say is that if I went to a school to pick up my child and I saw a pastor walking around the playground trying to convert him and his friends and have them join him in a little prayer circle, i would be livid.
TheDudimus 3 months ago
Religion is like alcohol. It's fine for adults, if they can handle it. But don't serve it to children.
MrRazorz 3 months ago
There is hope for America yet.
Hopefulfilment 3 months ago
Geez, I've gone most of my life without praying for a good day, yet I still have good days! WHAT ARE THE ODDS?!
ajnode 3 months ago
...an avalanche of bullshit?
GetTheCans 4 months ago
hahahaha last few seconds made me really laugh what a fucking idiot
arcaniondeath666 4 months ago
Let''s find out if what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why don't we all show up on his church's property one sunday to teach comparative religion.
StarkReality13 4 months ago
I love how the preacher ends with a vague threat. He's trying to be persuasive, but his true colors came out right at that moment.
AchronTimeless 4 months ago
@AchronTimeless There was nothing vague about it. It was a clear and present threat.
StarkReality13 4 months ago
@neulegend It's actually closer to 75%.
Moussyed 4 months ago
An avalanche. There's probably going to be one.
igeek1 4 months ago
Why do christians think that everyone is like them and those who arent are like a disease...
bud8fan1 4 months ago
@bud8fan1 because they're blinded by a fake belief.
BlueCloudsES 4 months ago
Most atheist i know dont go around shoving there non beleif in a god down others throats like christians do, and when a christian finds out your not one of them, theyre the first to attack you or shove there religion in your face.
bud8fan1 4 months ago
@bud8fan1 It depends on where you live. Wherever there's a majority there's an ego boost for that particular group and a mob mentality is likely to form. The other group won't shove their beliefs in the majority's face to avoid confrontation. Instead, we take to the Internet to unload.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
don't worry folks. as big as islam grows atheism is growing just as big
joc69uk32 4 months ago
@neulegend i kno right. fuck the atheiswts they must repent!
SalTheUltimate 4 months ago
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The fact that we have nuclear capabilities, combined with the global ideology that true rewards only come in the afterlife, is the main reason that beliefs in Gods need to cease to exist.
TheTacticalAtheist 4 months ago
"Mankind can never get rid of the need for religious self-identification:
who am I, where did I come from, where do I fit in, why am I responsible, what does my life mean? how will I face death?
Religion is a paramount aspect of human culture. Religious need cannot be ex-communicated from culture by rationalist incantation. Man does not live by reason alone."
- Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski, 1927-2009
bgibb101 4 months ago
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When I was a child in school, each morning before class began, she would read a portion of scripture from the Bible and have a word of prayer with the students. No one was damaged by it nor were any laws broken because there were no laws to break. That was the norm before the atheist crackpots got their fingers in the pie in recent years.
mrtadreamer 4 months ago
Get rid of priests since the is really no god to pray to.
kerryfox 4 months ago
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I've read the Jefferson letter as well as to soviet constitution, as the baptist pastor who was concerned about having the state kept out of church bizness was given assurance in his letter to the pastor by Jefferson that the church would be kept safe from state domination by the wall mentioned. That wall was not the same kind of socialist "separation of church and state" being conned on the American people now. Jefferson was NOT a socialist.
mrtadreamer 4 months ago
Stop it NOW! It is a violation of separation of church and state. It they let them pray, then let anyone pray and let demonic groups "pray." Then take away the non-profit 501 status of church leading speech.
kerryfox 4 months ago
Well the prayer procedure in it self obviously does nothing, so it's not harmful, but the consequences of people believing it actually works is another thing.
sp00x 4 months ago
Ok then, let the old guy do his thing and pray in front of the school. But that means that you have to open the door for every religion retard to do the same. Christians,Muslims , Mormons and the people who still pray to the god of corn. Keep the school free of all religions, let the kids be kids and learn their fucking math . If they want to be retards when they grow up, they will make up their minds later and find a retarded church to go to.
LibrepensamientoPR 4 months ago
Religion is for retards.
LibrepensamientoPR 4 months ago
If the kids aren't being forced to participate then it's not violating separation of church and state.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
A public school is a publicly funded government institution, in which is by constitutional rule must not endorse or allow any specifically religious practice on it's grounds.
And for the record, a child does not have the independent thinking ability to go or not go. He will follow his friends or be ostracized. That is not a decision, it is coercion
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 "...in which is by constitutional rule must not endorse or allow..."
Must not allow? Show me THAT in the constitution.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
Ugh! (rolls eyes) Ok, the separation of church and state means simply that affairs of the state are not influenced by the motivations of establishments, and vice versa. To allow one religion to preach to children on public school grounds and not every other belief system also means that the government would be endorsing one religious view over another, which is constitutionally illegal.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 It's funny that you roll your eyes before proceeding to correct yourself. Thanks for proving this isn't a violation of separation of church and state, but there's one more thing. You assume, for no good reason, that people of other religions aren't being allowed to pray at this school.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
I did not, nor did I have to correct myself. I clarified my statement. Do not put words in my mouth. and the rest of your post is proving that you are a troll. I never said any of that.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 Then I misunderstood you...or you are being dishonest about what you said...or the proper understanding of what you said would reveal that it was totally irrelevant...anyway, this isn't a violation of separation of church and state. I would only be offended if my child was being forced to participate. Most people here seem offended because they are prejudice against religious people. Being selectively tolerant is what's wrong with this whole movement.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
Ok, let's clarify a little. It violates separation because it is held on publicly owned grounds. It does not matter that it is voluntary, we are talking about elementary age children that have no real ability to make sound decisions. (Otherwise they would not have invented parents right?) Being seen to be tolerant of any religion to dominate a school (in this case Baptist) is in effect endorsing one over another. See what I mean?
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 "It does not matter that it is voluntary" Yes it does...don't forget freedom OF religion.
"Being seen to be tolerant of any religion to dominate a school" To dominate? Really? This is what you call dominating?
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
If a religion is proselytizing in a school, then it is the dominate religion if it is the only one. Do not only think of a mistress with a whip ok? and we are talking children.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
so you are saying that a child can make a logical decision about something as important as their immortal destiny? They can barely decide what they want for their afternoon snack. They are being coerced, plain and simple.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 Deciding their immortal destiny? Was that part of this particular prayer, or are you riding the slippery slope fallacy to the most dramatic place it will take you? You're not even discussing the event in question. When I was a child, I was forced by the public school system to recite the pledge of allegiance every day. Did it inspire me to sacrifice my life to Patrioticus, the deity of the U.S. Army? Nope. Not only that but I used to think part of the pledge was "for witch's stand"...
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome My point is you are blowing this up way bigger than it is, you clearly don't understand the constitution, and you fight with the same irrational, emotionally charged blindness as that of a Christian apologist. Selective tolerance is what's wrong with this movement. It's just people becoming the very thing they hate.
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome Do not try to lecture me about the constitution sonny. I had to study it. Ok, lets try a thinking excercise. I Muslim Imam is leading kids in morning prayers at your kid's school. Your kid goes;" Oh wow, my friend is over there doing it, and he invited me" He starts doing the allah ackbar stuff, directly against what you want him to learn (christain, jewish, mormon or atheist) Is this what you want? Obviously not, but this is how some children get roped in.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@WolfSyndrome
In a public setting, this is not acceptable. I would not want my child to be learning something that I am adamantly and fundamentally opposed to on many many levels. Not just because I do not think that it is true (which is obviously the case in part) but because the Islamic religion can very easily be misconstrued into a justification for things like the 9/11 attacks. Christian fundamentalism (as baptists tend to be) do things like blow up women's clinics
jkeaty2 4 months ago
@jkeaty2 "sonny." LOL! I got you babe!
WolfSyndrome 4 months ago
no child's behind left?
topperheartramada 4 months ago
more religious people preying on children.
endthedisease 4 months ago
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The clause "separation of church and state" is not found the US constitution, but it is in the constitution of the atheist/communist former Soviet Union. For the founding fathers of the US to have wanted "separation of church and state", they would have had to have been socialists/communists/atheists/humanists. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW IN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF THIS NATION!
mrtadreamer 4 months ago
@mrtadreamer
You are such a backwoods redneck idiot. the establishment clause is meant to be interpreted this way. Look up the Jefferson letters.
jkeaty2 4 months ago
God and country run deep, but if I wanted my children learning about BS, I would have enrolled them in a religion backed school. On the other hand, if I let my children go to public school, they have to encounter other beliefs. Every good parent says "Let them grow up to make their own decisions." As an atheist, I think you're being too righteous if you try to shelter your children from religion. Remember, god and country run deep!!!
joeMFinjohnson 4 months ago
Way to go Gaylor!!! We need more like you. Snowball it for us.
thirdimage 4 months ago
In this nation, God and Country run as deep as the 1st Amendment...
loveofphysics 4 months ago
Nice threat in that last statement, pastor! Jackass. Go preach to adults not little kids.
mdigati1 4 months ago
Keep those priests away from your children. All of them.
alanjavis 4 months ago 11
Let a Muslim Imam lead a prayer service there, and see how popular that is.
CosmicApe2 4 months ago 15