CANADA's newly elected MARXIST, JACK LAYTON, leader of the New Democratic Party, caught in Bawdy House with under-aged female. The MORE IMPORTANT NEWS is his NDP is a member of SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, successor to the Soviet communist internationals. JACK is building communist world government with the SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL... and he just became Canada's OFFICIAL OPPOSITION party in federal elections on 2 May 2011 -- but nobody knows about his SI affiliations.
"Of course we can see the oil and if you look at the picture provided on wikipedia,2 and I never said an oil spill didnt happen. I said it was much less of what depicted from the media and the Nasa pictures just confirm that!!
why be misleading with your titles? It descredits you from jumps street! this dishonesty sets the tone as you as a liar. your weak shit empowers the right. have some tact. such a waste of energy.
why be misleading with your titles? It descredits you from jumps street! this dishonesty sets the tone as you as a liar. your weak shit empowers the right. have some tact. such a waste of energy.
@karenkedong ...the title is not misleading you just fail to comprehend and trust me the "right" and "left" are not happy with us. You can play that left/right game but eventually you will have to leave the Matrix.
@RP4409 I hate the Tea party as much as you do if not more But your facts on somethings as it pertains to taxes and the Constitution is just wrong. Excuse my typing as I am doing it via an Android touch screen device. But you get my point...
No income tax? Who pays for the military, roads, public works, police, fire, FDA to make sure our food and medications are ok. Border patrol, postal service, bodies of govt, prisons, wars, Soc. Sec. Medicare, orphanages. You people are such idiots...
@jesusnagstring ...are you serious? Well, there is a tax on gas that already pays for roads. The FDA does not protect you from anything. They allow MSG in your food and fluoride (toxic aluminum waste) in your water. The FDA also has approved ton of prescription drugs that have proved to deadly so no help their either. The EPA also said it was ok to breath the toxic dust on 9/11 and told the responders they did not need to wear respirators. The FDA is a gate keeper to keep competition out. CONT.
@RP4409 You're insane. The rights big argument when it was suggested to allow Americans to get access to cheaper foreign drugs was that "The FDA hasn't tested or approved them." So the FDA is ok as an excuse for the right but when someone on the left says we need the FDA then it's discounted. Typical. Just like your darling Michelle Bachman discrediting the CBO's numbers on healthcare and said they couldn't be trusted and then turned around and showed a chart from the CBO that agreed with her
@RP4409 You are clueless. You have more "state run orphanages than private. Simply because you do not the private funds to sustain the care of all orphans. I am a firefighter/emt and we work with different fundraisers just to provide orphans in church run the basic care they need to make it through the month. The donations due not pour in from the wealthy like you think, Thats why the largest exchange in wealth stayed with the top 2% and didn't trickle down.Not even through charity for orphans
@jesusnagstring .....The postal service is funded through the purchase of stamps....just like Fed Ex. Social Security is a tax on your income and is spent before its even put away so don;t expect that anytime soon. The government should not be in the business of orphanages...leave that to churches. SS and Medicare is also unconstitutional. Unconstitutional undeclared wars should not be funded through a direct tax. Nothing you are taxed goes to these programs anyway.
@RP4409 Ok. Sop run on the fact that the Tea Party thinks Soc. Sec. is unconstitutional along with Medicare, postal service, the military which is funded by taxes, protection from terrorism and the likes of the Az shooter. If you think that all infrastructure is paid for through a gas tax you're delusional. If you expect a gas tax to totally fund roads and bridges and public works then get ready for the price of gas to skyrocket due to tax increases to cover the losses and offset the taxes.
@RP4409 When we had the mass bird and fish deaths who did the public demand answers from? The govt. I didn't see people demanding that a private company explain the deaths. That fell on the EPA , CDC, and Dept. of Human services. All funded by tax dollars. I live at the epicenter for Hurr. Katrina. Without out tax funded organizations like FEMA, local EMA, Coast Guard, National Guard, State, local, and Federal law enforcement the worse disaster in American history would have been a lost cause.
@RP4409 But if you teabaggers want to run on how unconstitutional Soc. Sec. , Medicare, and public services are and you want to "take away " or repeal them then I look forward to the 2012 elections. Just make sure Sarah can fit all those talking points on her hand before they're debated...I also call for everyone to put Sarah Palin and Rupert Murdoch in their crosshairs and "instead of retreating: reload!" Oh excuse me . I meant survey markers...
@RP4409 the postal service is not funded through stamps. It is a service the post office has, but stamps do not pay 100% for their entire service. Don't know where you got that from but its entirely wrong.
Orphanages should be in the hands of churches? You mean the churches that are given tax subsidies? Or the churches that molest boys? Or the churches that are anti-gay, anti-women, etc?
Where in the Constitution does it say that SS/Medicare is unconstitutional?
@RP4409 The constitution does say that the governments duty is to provide for the general welfare of the people.It won't help if all of our senoir citizens are dying in the streets because medical costs are so high, housing is so high, etc.I think people need to redirect their anger to the appropriate source.Corporations.Of course the government can be a problem,especially if they're controlled by corporations and not the people. Campaign finance reform is needed.And You're right about the EPA
@seattle8686 ...You're right...the constitution does say provide for the general welfare, but it does not say they can steal from me in order to do it. Theft is theft even by government.
Furthermore, medical costs are high, housing is high and nothing the government does will help it. Its called inflation (the printing and devaluation of our currency) and you can't regulate it out of one industry because it will go to another.
@RP4409 You call it stealing, I call it paying your dues. If you want to be an American citizen with the rights we have, you have responsiblities. In our Constitution, we must have certain programs that allow America to be one of the best countries in the world, in all of history. If we had all our elderly citizens die off and become homeless because we dont have a social security program or medicare, then it would impact you as well (indirectly of course). Some programs are a necessity
@RP4409 "Furthermore, medical costs are high, housing is high and nothing the government does will help it"
That is incorrect. If the government had implemented a public option, the CBO showed a savings of 2 trillion over 10 years.Premiums would have come down because it would have been REAL competition to the insurance companies.Now,the government is bought out by the corporations, so it didn't happen.I agree that the government can cause problems,but we need it to represent the people again
@RP4409 "BTW your beloved government IS a corporation"
That is what liberals have been saying for years. Thanks for catching up. Whether you are right wing or not, a bunch of right wingers have come out of the woodworks and have complained of corporations owning the government and acting as if liberals didn't know.We have been wanting campaign finance reform for years now. We have been warning people about corporations.It is the right wingers who say "oh yeah, corporations are evil (sarcasm)"
@RP4409 And yes we can regulate. First, make sure corporations cannot pay to our politicians through strict finance reform and taking away "personhood" from businesses. Then you back in place Glass/Stiegal which was a brilliant regulation that capped banks from making risky investments and not allowing them to use money they didn't have. This was deregulated by Bush. Close loopholes on offshore accounts, bring the money back to the US, no more subisidies to businesses sending jobs overseas.
@seattle8686 .....good luck with all your fantasies. Nice how you just gloss over the federal reserve and blame shit on presidents...Go play in your left / right world...later
@RP4409 LOL. So this is how you debate? I give clear examples of how to get citizens back into power and take it back from the lobbyists in DC and you come back with a pathetic message and reduce my argument to a blame game of presidents and the federal reserve?
And "left/right world"?That makes no sense.You have no argument, and you realize this so you went into attack mode.Instead of attacking when I clearly overmatched you,it's okay to agree and see that I have made good points
So when you want to "gloss" over the government, then its okay? But when I bring up the Federal Reserve just printing out trillions of dollars to pay off debt to Swiss and German banks, Goldmann, AIG, and so forth, then I am the one who glosses over the government?
You have no argument. You just want to argue rather than see that I have made good points and that my concerns are justified and should be looked at.
@RP4409 So instead of having a rational debate and understanding the points I have made, you'd rather run? I made some good points. Its okay to acknowledge it
And games? What games? Regulation world? You don't have time? For what?
If you think wall street/banks and other big money makers are over regulated, I suggest you read up on all the rules that have been thrown out since Nixon and see how it had disastrous effects on our economy. Two words, Glass/Steagall. The main reason for our collapse
@seattle8686 ....You just don't get it yet. Most regulations are there to keep competition out between themselves its not there to stifle illegal or immoral behavior.
You said "Glass/Stiegal which was a brilliant regulation that capped banks from making risky investments and not allowing them to use money they didn't have."
HUH? The Banks are under fractional reserve rules which means > ALL < the money they use they don't actually have....that is the point I'm making. Watch "money as debt"
@RP4409 Name a few regulations that are created to stifle competition?
"HUH? The Banks are under fractional reserve rules which means"
Explain fractional reserve rules. And please finish your sentences. It does not make sense when you write "The banks are under fractional reserve rules which means All the money they use they don't actually have".
First, I know banks are allowed to invest up to a certain amount that they don't have. Canadian banks are allowed 3 to 1 (last I heard). (cont'd)
@fresniak you need to private message me the video because I copied and pasted and nothing comes up. And I already know Canadian bank regulation since I it was part of my degree at Uvic. I know enough to get by and much better than the average American.
Please do not debate me with a video. Make your own argument. If you want to cite sources, give me the website. Don't have me go fishing for things.
@seattle8686 wtf just google Oh.Canada-Our.Bought.and.Sold. Out.Land Maybe this video is not available in your country (most likely) cause of nazitube. Anyway I don't like going over and over again on the same subjects. The current money system is a complete FRAUD. Watch my playlist "the money fraud". I have studied the debt money system and it's the most epic fraud in history: transfers with the help of government wealth from the poor/middle class to the rich non working and speculative elite.
@RP4409 That is why Canadian banks and their economy did not go under and they did not see a huge economic collapse. Glass/Steagall (not Glass/Stiegal) limited the amount of risky bets the banks could make. When we deregulated, it told the banks that they are now allowed to risk however much they want and since it was insured by the federal government, any losses would be collected through our taxpaying dollars.
I am still right on my wanting an effective regulation like Glass/Steagall.
@seattle8686 the only deregulation possible = KILL THE FED and every Private Central Banks. Any other tactics is a joke, the system is a wealth sucker for the rich, there aren't any excuse to keep it.
@fresniak Among the FED , we also need campaign finance reform and making sure that only registered voters can donate/contribute money to a politician. Get he power back to the people and away from the corporations.
@seattle8686 the corporations would have no power in a free market society cause market itself would have all the power. And there is no way that if you abolish the fed big corporations will ever survive the way they are now, they would bankrupt together with big banks. You're focusing on something that is marginal: in a free society and a free market corruption tends to disappear, cause it lacks the fuel of inflation, speculation and government spending.
@fresniak Not quite. In a free market where there is no oversight whatsoever, there are no rules or guidelines or protections.....then there is the ability for cheating.
What happens when there is no rule of law? We saw this in Montreal when the police went on strike. There was chaos.
There needs to be some protection. We have rules in place now and businesses STILL try to cut corners. Look at BP. What regulation caused the oil spill? I know a lack of regulation that helped cause it.
@seattle8686 "then there is the ability for cheating." How? How? The constitution is the rule. If you cheat the constitution you go to prison. It's plain simple. You are like someone that is willing to change the system but still is completely stuck in the paradigm of the old system. Cheating is possible, but it cannot be big gvt/ big interests cheating it can be only at individual or small corp. level, therefore it is a much lesser issue and the judges can take care of the small cheaters.
@fresniak Who said the constitution? You did. Pay attention. I am talking about rule of law(not the law of the land..get the difference?). The rule of law are the state and federal legislation that is passed by our politicians. In a free market system, there is no need for law and rules governing buyer and seller conduct
With no rules, we have no protection. No oversight means cheating of the consumers is likely. Actually, it WILL happen because it happens now awit hthe little regulation we have
@fresniak Only an individual and a small corproation can cheat? That is crazy....so big corporations don't cheat? No, they do cheat, they just create the laws for them to cheat so then its legal (e.g. buying politicians).
@seattle8686 "Only an individual and a small corproation can cheat" I was speaking what would happen in a free society with small government, of course you're not enough smart to figure it out.
@seattle8686 big corporations wouldnt have the power they have now, or even probably wouldnt exist. I am very confident in a free society we would have plenty of individual and small corporations actively cooperating among them and big corporations would be impossible cause none would want to work as a slave for them and because big corporations need government protection and huge nanks loans to survive.
@seattle8686 About your other claim about gvt spending, without the FED government cannot spend what he wants and cannot raise any debt ceiling cause there won't be no debt at all.
@seattle8686 "What happens when there is no rule of law? " LOL the Constitution is the Law, it is the fullfillment of Common Law. You don't need almost any politician at all, to have a country that works just fine and great. If you infringe any right of others you go to trial and eventually are sentenced to prison. This is the only Law you need. Most Regulations is just shit to give privileges to someone and steal the rights of the people away.
@fresniak The Constitution is NOT the law kid. The Constitution is a framework of specific RIGHTS that Americans are privileged to. It is NOT a code of law.
Are laws are set up through legislation that is then carried out by our levels of courts. Do I really need to give you a Civics lesson?
If I infringe on your right to peacefully organize, it is not the First Amendment that I will be given a trial on...I will be tried on a number of LAWS set up that is NOT in the Constitution (e.g. assault)
@fresniak So if we get rid of EVERYTHING but the Constitution...where in the Constitution does it say that molestation is illegal? Or murder?
You have NO clue about the Constitution. It is NOT the Rule of Law. It is a framework of rights guaranteed to us. If someone infringes on those rights, there are LAWS on the books (NOT within the Constitution) that will be carried out such as illegal detention, assault, and so forth.
@seattle8686 The constitution and a Bill of Rights is all you need. You just need to state 3 rights: Rights to liberty, to Life and to Property legally acquired. Murder and molestation I am sure you can find which of these 3 rights best describe them, or aren't you that smart?
@seattle8686 "Look at BP. What regulation caused the oil spill?" Now here you're speaking of something different. First of all do you really think that the BP Oil spill really happened the way it was said on the mass media? It was not. Where is all the oil? None saw it. They say it sinked how? Do you know what is the specific weight of oil? Only a very small fraction of oil has weight greater than water.
@fresniak As a member of the research community who read the reports of my colleagues in higher academia, the BP oil spill DID happen, it did pump out over 50,000 barrels of crude oil a day, and it ruined the habitat and fisheries.
You can be conspiratorial all you want, but we are still cleaning up the Exxon Valdez spill.
You are not qualified to give a professional opinion on whether or not the studies and estimates produced on the oil spill is wrong.
@seattle8686 the spill did it happen but it didnt pump 50000 gallons per day, or it didnt for that long time. There is no trace of oil anywhere in the gulf of mexico. Ask anyone who lives there.
@fresniak And in what reality does corruption magically disappear when no rules are in place? The Garden of Eden? Before or after the eating of the apple?
Can you give me a society in which this has worked?
And lack of regulation has allowed government spending. Canada has a limit on how much banks can bet against their assets which is why they were not affected by our recession like many other countries (e.g. Germany, Swiss). Effective regulation works.
@seattle8686 Regulations are rules that can be easily circumvented by those who have powers. About Canada watch the video I have suggested, you're plainly wrong in believing that canada stands any better than the US. Even if you put regulations, banks will still suck all the wealth of a country and transfer it to the rich class. They have almost unlimited powers (fractional reserve etc..). In Canada banks can lend up to 98% out of no reserve.
@fresniak Yes, regulations can be circumvented...so it doesn't make sense to not have rules at all.....we need to make sure that corporations are not allowed to buy our politicians so that registered voters are more represented.
And I am not plainly wrong about Canaa. Do you live here kid? I do. Those countries who have no regulations on the amount of risky investments banks can make went down along with the US.
Go to weforum dot org and look at the Global Competitiveness Report of 2010-2011
@fresniak The renowned report, among others, details the countries with the best financial and banking institutions. And the ones that are clearly, smartly, and effecctively regulated is the smoothest systems. Canada is one of the better countries with the US in shambles
@seattle8686 afaik the BP paid some money for the damage caused. Now if the damage was really like the one depicted by the mass media, I don't think BP would have paid such a law bill. I am pretty convinced the BP Spill was mainly a media psyop and anyway greatly exaggerated to allow an excuse for stopping drilling oil in the gulf of mexico. It is not a matter of regulations. Accidents may happen even with regulations.
@fresniak You're probably right, the biggest oil spill in world history, larger than exxon/valdez and it ONLY pumped out 50,000+ barrels of crude oil a day and ruined an entire fishing industry......no worries right? eyeroll.
Don't you people get tired of defending big corporations who get away with everything?
If your company did something like that...you would be out of business...why is it that these buisinesses are immune to closing down and some other business taking over?
@seattle8686 "Don't you people get tired of defending big corporations who get away with everything?" I dont defend them lol I say let the justice have its course. Now BP paid a very small fee, this is a very good hint that the oil spill was mostly a media hoax.
@fresniak "Now BP paid a very small fee, this is a very good hint that the oil spill was mostly a media hoax"
What a joke. You know how many bought politicians from the oil companies were on the panel overseeing the BP oil spill? You remember that dick who said we should apologize to BP?
They paid very little because our politicians were good little boys and girls serving their boss and making sure their boss (BP) didn't pay much consequences....don't blame the "media" which did little
@seattle8686 Well No. Corporations are very powerful but not that stupid to have an accident like that by chance. I am an engineer and I have worked some time in the oil industry. I know what am talking about.. IT was planned, the BP spill and the mass media psyop was all part of an agenda with many purposes. the NWO masters want to destroy the US economy, here you go now you can't drill oil in the gulf of mexico and gas price is sky high. OF course Obama has now rewarded BP with alaska contract
@fresniak BP doesn't actually run the oil refineries or the drilling companies.There were two other companies involved including Haliburton and another I forget. The three are suing one another over who is at fault.
Drilling is a dangerous job, the more you do deep water drilling.I am not saying they did it on purpose. I am sure BP and the other two companies would love it if this had never happened,but it did happen and research into it has shown that the media underestimated the amount spilled
@seattle8686 LOL drilling is very easy job and safe if you have the technology. It just costs money if happens in deep water. Oil companies make sure they do not loose any drop of oil, they are not stupid to have accidents like that happening by chance. Also they risk their name if some accident like that happens. Of course it was coincidental once again that the BP brand does not actually sell refined products, so it could not be boycotted at the gas pump. I don't believe in coincidences.
@fresniak LOL, you have such a kid-like outlook. Yes, companies don't want an image problem. Thats why three companies are suing each other over the Gulf disaster. You haven't defeated my argument yet. It happened because it was an accident. Accidents happen but it also was worse in the aftermath because there is no technology in oil clean-up. We used fucking sponges and tarps to try and collect it.
And I don't care what you believe in unless it is facts. This was an avoidable accident
@seattle8686 " Thats why three companies are suing each other over the Gulf disaster. " I bet you read this bs from the media too. I am sure the companies wil lcome to an agreement before having to admit the common fraud in front of a judge.
@fresniak other comments I said that you chose to ignore: Hundreds offshore drilling platforms are today all over the world in much worst environment but none seems concerned. why?
@fresniak It was not planned and you have no evidence that it was. And now that you have gone into the NWO crap, this conversation is over. I am not into conspiracy theories. I am into facts. Take care.
@seattle8686 "it was not planned" (because you say so) "..and you have no evidence that it was" If I dont' have evidence that it was planned and you STATE that it was not. I guess you have evidence of the contrary then? the NWO crap is all around you man, stop being a cry baby and start seeing the world for what it is and do something about it in your life or if you prefer go hiding yourself from the scare, but just stop lying to yourself.
@fresniak That is the "god argument". If I say there is no evidence for a god, that does not mean I have to prove that a god doesn't exist. I cannot prove the evidence of their NOT being a conspiracy.
Your message is a rambling with grammatical errors and I don't have time to decipher it. I am sure there are 'like-interests' that have corporations and the mega-rich pushing for similar things that make it appear it is a unified effort.
@seattle8686 If you state it wasn't done on purpose and deny that possibility without any proof, then it's you who have to bring the evidences and proofs of what you are stating. I have enough evidence that the spill was vastly exaggerated and knowing the kind of safety measures they have on these platforms, the accident had to be intentional and not the way it was told. Hundreds offshore drilling platforms are today all over the world in much worst environment but none seems concerned. why?
@fresniak If I state it wasn't done on purpose, I do NOT have to provide evidence. You have not provided evidence. You have only stated that you don't believe in coincidences and you gave a bunch of other useless comments like "it was exaggerated" but you haven't provided ANY data or any research that shows it.
Actually, I provided you evidence. 50,000+ barrels of crude oil was pumped out each day. Now prove it wrong.
@seattle8686 You have to prove it, cause you seem to be sure about it. While mine are legitimate doubts based on evidences that I have. Btw there was plenty of ways to recover the oil, but apparently you have not researched it at all. BP was even offered these machines which can separate water from oil with 99% + efficiency and have very high capacity. BP refused. Then they claimed to have used them later only after many months since the accident had happened. You are just very uninformed.
@fresniak It is about marketing kid. Welcome to the real world. BP tried to fudge the reports on how much oil was being pumped out each hour. They were not cooperating with state and federal agencies. If it was a conspiracy to cause the spill to happen, then it makes no sense and they all acted worse than Lindsay Lohan. Also, was the CEO who was relieved, was that part of the conspiracy as well?
@seattle8686 " If it was a conspiracy to cause the spill to happen, then it makes no sense.." Maybe because you did not get the goal of the conspiracy. IT was to make it look oil the bad guy so they can push a global carbon tax (now they're doing someth similar for the nuclear energy), to destroy the US economy by stopping the drills in the gulf raising the price of gasoline. People in the US and in the world r already struggling for the bailouts and the financial crisis. Welcome to the NWO!
@seattle8686 If you want to look into the BP psyop you can watch Lenon Honor's documentary about the bP oil spill. It's on youtube. But I have a gut feeling you will just ignore this as you ignored watching the other documentary about Canadian economic and monetary system.
@fresniak No thanks, I get news from CBC and BBC as well as some news in the states and online. Then I cross check the information to see if it matches up. Your story is propaganda.
And I'm sorry if you don't like the idea that I am not into baseless claims. Getting into a career in research will do that to you.
@seattle8686 "Actually, I provided you evidence. " Actually you have given no evidences just your word for it, while I have said I have an expertise in the field and told you such accidents are impossible to happen as described (unless it was done on purpose). Plus in the very limited media footage there isnt anything that proves there was a huge spill, mostly we saw computer simulations. Nor there's any 3rdparty video or photos showing anything close to an effect of an oil spill in the gulf.
@fresniak watching youtube videos doesn't give you "expertise in the field" kid.
"Plus in the very limited media footage there isnt anything that proves there was a huge spill, mostly we saw computer simulations"
You are an idiot and are worse than Fox.Even Fox doesn't even come out and say "The spill wasn't that bad". A few hosts say"the water will dilute the oil" which is funny. These are the same people who say that the Japan radiation is just a little extra cesium and plutonium in the air
@seattle8686 "watching youtube videos doesn't give you "expertise in the field" kid." But a bachelor with masters in chemical engineering does that, You Kid!!
@fresniak Yawn*. Not on youtube kid. Here, you are just like everyone else. It doesn't matter if you have a PhD or a Masters in Educational Psychology like me or your MA in chem. engineering (whether you have it or not). It doesn't serve anyone to bring up any credentials because on youtube, it is about what facts you bring and how you present your argument.
Do you really think that is how it works? I say something, then you come back and give me your credentials and I automatically agree?
@fresniak I suggest you go onto the internet and actually challenge yourself to look at the pictures of the gulf oil spill and not propaganda sites. The evidence is all on the internet.
@seattle8686 there are no amateur videos or pictures taken all around the gulf of mexico that prove the spill was of the entity depicted by the media. Stop YOUR PROPAGANDA
@fresniak "there are no amateur videos or pictures taken all around the gulf of mexico that prove the spill was of the entity depicted by the media. "
You didn;t cite a source, you didn't provide any facts. I gave ou something quite simple and un-scientific. I cited wikipedia just because they have a number of pictures of the Gulf oil spill. Again, you lose and reality wins.
@seattle8686 Plus you totally ignored other things I said about the impossibility that the oil would disappear sinking, cause most of the oil has a lighter specific weight than water, which means oil tends to stay on the surface of the water. But people are so bumbed down in america they dont know even basic physics anymore.
@fresniak I ignored you because saying "oil tends to stay on the surfaceof the water" doesn't prove anythng. Of course we can see the oil and if you look at the picture provided on wikipedia, it is a NASA taken photograph but I am sure you will say that they doctored the photo. This is the problem with technology, it creates skeptics who will never believe anything. I put you up there with those people who think that the government is hiding alien ships from Roswell and other BS stories
@seattle8686 You chose to ignore scientific facts. I am a chemical engineer, you? you're just an idiot who believes everything the media say. You cannot take bbc and cnn and cross-check this is just stupid. These media belong to the same elite of financiers, tied in a masonic structure, they are playing the game, I am very sorry for you, not just coz you base your info on a couple of sources, but coz you leave out the option of researching and your own critical thinking. gl with your ignorance
@fresniak "I am a chemical engineer, you?" That is not an argument. Your creentials are worthless on youtube.
"you're just an idiot who believes everything the media say" Based on what evidence? What media do you know I watch? Have you ever watched CBC or BBC? Is NPR part of the hoax as well? What evidence do you have? You must prove that those three stations are wrong. What evidence do you have that those particular stations (specifically the non-american ones) are part of the hoax?
@seattle8686 " Have you ever watched CBC or BBC? Is NPR part of the hoax as well? " All the media in the world today are controlled by the same elite that also control governments, you can see it very good. They always cover the same news in talmost identical way, they never give any new that seriously damages the status-quo (and no am not talking baout some homneless people being thrown out during the olympics).continues..
@fresniak That is incorrect. People like you believe that because you have lived in your bubble of America for your whole life.
The media is not controlled in most of the industrialized world (with exception to some political pressure for the BBC but nothing like it is in America).
And you have never watched CBC or BBC so stfu...you have no clue if they all run the same stories the same way. You have no proof.
@seattle8686 I have watched bbc and they are in the same game as all others, just check how they reported on building 7 on 911. Just google it "bbc building 7 911"
@fresniak LOL, you have no evidence. You are quite qualitative. You base judgments on one or two things you deem as the "same game as all others". I watch BBC everyday, not just once or twice in a year. They are not Fox news where talking points are made each morning and all the commentators speak on the same thing with the same lines.
Nice try. But you still are quite ignorant of the media outside of the US bubble.
@seattle8686 lmao your not even serious you mean watch BBC what a joke,Ill bet you you dont even know who owns BBC.Let alone they have always put up a front to keep the masses under control.And to top that off they use talking points to favor the elite controled BBC to be favored just like you said you watch everyday.The only true news anymore is you doing the research yourself,There is no Elite crap news you can trust.But hey i dont really care if your drinking there Kool-aid thats your choice.
@surfjerr BBC has its faults. No denying that, but you are over generalizing the use of talking points. You have stations that fall under marching orders, and then you have stations that give a little more freedom. This is why I watch BBC, CBC, Al-Jazeera, and yes, even Fox "news". I mix it up with different outlets andyes, it does take doing your own research, but it doesn't mean you create your own opinion based on biases or emotion. You must provide evidence to your claims
@seattle8686 All the media take their biased information either from a very limited group of press-agencies or from miltary / government sources. The news are just reported as read, they never ever seriously investigate. Take fukushima, only a Russia-Today reporter actually went close to the reactor to measure the radiations with a geiger and he couldnt detect anything. Of course RT itself spinned this around and did not report the scoop, cause they're controlled as well.
@seattle8686 Media are a HUGE Propaganda Tool. If you think they are there to tell you the truth you are a fool. It's you that should get out of the media basement in this case. I have done my work and my research and I always doubt everything the media says. I do my completely independent research out of any media using scientific information I may have or know by profession or by searching any logically pertinent info on the internet. I usually find many incongruences in the media reports.
@fresniak Media CAN BE a propaganda tool and it is in the US. Not in most other inudstrialized nations. And no, you haven't done your research and if you doubt EVERYTHING that the media says, then you doubt what EVERYONE says in real life. You don't trust your family, your friends, coworkers, or any person except yourself. And I don't like people who are unable to take in different viewpoints. That is too conservative and anti-progress and anti-learning (just to make my words simple for you)
@seattle8686 "Not in most other inudstrialized nations. " You're wrong MEDIA are propaganda tools all over the world, so it is in Italy, England, France,everywhere. I am italian i know what am talking about. Of course, I doubt everything someone says without proofs, especially if they blindly repeat media propaganda, I immediately doubt what they are saying (repeating). Coz everyone tries to manipulate truth to gain power in this world. I trust people whom I know good from a moral standpoint,.
@seattle8686 " .. hiding alien ships from Roswell and other BS" but I am not one of those, so your claim is completely out of context. When I suspect a conspiracy I research it myself I dont base my observation on conspiracy websites. Most of them are set-up exactly for the reason of mixing bullshits with actual truths, so that everyone who dares researching what's happening outside the media spin, may be labeled as a nutcase. exactly what you're doing now. But dont think that impresses me
@fresniak "so that everyone who dares researching what's happening outside the media spin, may be labeled as a nutcase. exactly what you're doing now. "
I see my point went over your head. You can follow news stories that are not typically covered by the media and not be labeled a nutcase. For instance, the homeless being collected and thrown into wharehouses during the Vancouver Olympics. But the news you get in your fantasy world is that the Vancouver Olympics took place. LOL
" I ignored you because saying "oil tends to stay on the surfaceof the water" doesn't prove anythng"
IT proves the media lied to millions of people saying the oil just sank into the deep of the ocean. You ignore logic, physics and mathematics, you are utterly ignorant.
@fresniak "IT proves the media lied to millions of people saying the oil just sank into the deep of the ocean. You ignore logic, physics and mathematics, you are utterly ignorant."
No, you just overgeneralize. I never heard a consensus on any of the major media outlets that the oil just sank. You can actually see the oil from the NASA pictures provided all over the internet. Rachel Maddow went to the Gulf herself and collected the sludge. Its documented, you just have to get out of the basement
@seattle8686 Who is Rachel Maddow ? Do you trust her? She is the same as any other media journalist today, either controlled, or corrupted or tied to freemasonry, or all of them together. Why shuld I believe her, when everyone I have sp0oken to living in the gulf of mexico never saw a drop of oil? Check the few picture and videos on the internet yourself. Just show me a single video or photo from amateur that clearly depicts oil on shore in the gulf of mexico or anything like that.
@fresniak Yes, I do know the career of Rachel Maddow and her education level and I have not heard a story in which she gave false facts or false stats. I have only heard people on the right blast her because they disagree with her on social issues. But on the facts..when it comes to numbers....haven't seen a story where she was wrong.....I take that back..she has misquoted before but went on air the following day to clarify and correct the mistake (like real journalists do)
@fresniak I have already seen pictures of the gulf oil spill.I have family who lives in the Gulf and they have seen it. The few doctored photos you have is funny and you base your entire opinion of the Gulf spill on doctored and edited photos. Thanks for the debate, but you keep losing.We have to call this to an end at some point because I am getting embarassed for you.Im embarassed to be having a dialogue with someone who denies that their was an oil spill or that it wasn't large(despite facts)
@seattle8686 wait a moment you say you have family on the gulf ONLY NOW ? WOW Why not bring the argument before? So where exactly on the gulf? What did they see? Did they take pictures, did they take videos? Any evidence, proof, circumstance? As I said already ten times maybe I state there was a spill but it was greatly exaggerated by the media to spread the chaos and to pursue political agendas, where Obama can shut-off the drill in the gom
@fresniak First, it doesn't really matter who I know in the Gulf. Second, are you saying the millions in the Gulf are lying? Who is paying them?
And yes, they did take pictures and it has been uploaded to the internet. Go to wikipedia, there is a picture right there.
Again, you have not provided any evidence to there being a small spill. You have not given numbers, you have not cited sources. You have lost this debate.
@seattle8686 you need to tell me which family you know and where they live cause you seem to claim they have proof the oil spill was in their location in the gom. Who took pictures? I am talking about people you personally know, not about nasa, I have already seen those of nasa and they dont show a huge oil spill over all the gom, but only around the location where the platform was. I dont have to prove evidence the oil spill was small, MEDIA have to bring proof that their report was accurate.
@seattle8686 millions of people in the gom are not lying, they didnt see the oil. Look in google pictures for "bp oil spill "most of what you see is hardly proof of anything, most pics do not have any oil in them. Where are helicopter pictures of a contaminated ebach, zero not one. Let me explain to you, the media gave the new, they are responsible to show proof and to report accurately. They even manufactured pictures of saving the pellicans etc.., how can you believe them?
@seattle8686 about ho is paying them..the people in the fishing industry know it very good and have been paid to shut their mouth up. Check to whom the bP money was paid and check the fake story of that woman fisherman, once again you should watch the whole lenon honor's documentary on the oil spill, of course you wont do it because you dont have the balls to sit and watch.
Down with Socialism and Communism. I wish we could just be free and keep Capitalism from going crazy. I would get rid of Capitalism too if it were possible.
The Tea Party is nothing more than a distraction... and it's filling people's heads full of false racist, and so called "christian' bias. Be afraid, be very afraid. People like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are shills for the foreign, corporate owned media, and they are treasonists.
I love all these retired people who don't want any tax, but still want their medicare and social security . . . and probably the police, fire department, and the interestates, too. What ignorant fools.
Hell, i like school a lot. Where do you think kids make most of their friends? If your talking about drugs and stuff like that well it would still happen. But tell me more of what you think of firemen because you never responded about them when I said they do stop fires from spreading and rescue people. And what about roads and bridges; they would fall apart.
I don't mind paying a fair tax for a good government. I do mind paying for people who refuse to work. I do mind paying for corporations to rob us. I do mind paying politicians to rob us. I do mind paying for police brutality. I do mind paying for a legal system that only serves the rich. I do mind paying for a military that kills weak people to steal their oil. I do mind paying wages of teachers who are less educated than their students. So, I guess I DO mind paying taxes.
If you think paying income tax is fascism than youre just an ungreatful douche.
My grandparents told me stories of their life in fascist germany/czech and later under soviet occupation and believe me paying taxes was the least of their worries. Just look at the many fascist countries that still exist today, where protesters get shot at.
I am sure behind the simple minded slogans are some real concerns but youre loosing alot of credibility when you use populism on important issues.
I guess you don't understand how "taxes" are implemented??? I don't mind paying taxes when I KNOW what they are being used for! Property tax and local sales tax makes up nearly 85% of local gov spending. That includes county roads, parks, schools, street lights, public safety, etc.
So what happens when we dont pay taxes? we lose schools, roads, any government job. You REALLY need to think before posting stupid shit on youtube. Commys
@MCShaugh actually communists pay very high taxes.. they also love socialist programs, like nationalized healthcare, nationalized education, and all love the fact that everyone gets paid the same.. because its "fair".
@RMPalm2000 ....earth to RMPalm2000 you're still going to die poor...LMAO
We have an Army its called an armed American people. We do not need the Army. Social Security is just a direct tax that is spent before they actually get it. You need to wake up man
OK, lets get rid of roads, bridges, police, firemen, government buildings, public transportation, regulation of airports and radio frequencies, public schools. You are a genius...
So when your house catches on fire and starts spreading, your fine with just letting people die and property be destroyed? And when someone breaks into your house your fine with having no one to call to help? Your OK with children going without proper education to create a generation of kids with no academic skills? Your OK with not having quick transportation to go where you need to go and no roads or bridges if you want to drive somewhere?
@eray12345a...1. firefighters are utterly useless other than stopping the fire from spreading. They completely destroy your house with water damage. So what is the difference destroyed by fire or water or both? 2. Don't be a pussy, buy a gun and protect yourself. Why do you rely on someone you have to call when seconds count they're minutes away? 3. I think we can both agree our education system can get no worse. The school system is nothing more than a babysitter / 12 year jail sentence. PWNED
Well keeping a fire from spreading is extremely important so ya. And the difference is that people can die from the fire not really from the water. Remember firemen also rescue people. I have guns: a Sig Sauer p225, a Remington 870 and a Heckler and Koch 91. I'm no pussy but I still want someone to call when I don't have access to those things or when for example a group of people with automatic weapons try to kill me. Also, what about old or young people who can't use firearms?
Education is probably the most important thing EVER. What you said about education is so,so stupid. Why don't we actually try and fix it instead of getting rid of it. Do you really want a country of COMPLETELY uneducated people? I don't. PWNED
@eray12345a...lmao...we already have a country full of uneducated people..Me having to have this very argument with you is proof of that. Have you ever heard of Home school? They have everything you need to learn at the click of a mouse. Schools are nothing but a 12 year jail sentence with over priced babysitters. And before you say you can't afford to home school I ask that maybe people will have to give up one of their BMW's or 15,000sf homes. OMG the humanity...how would we ever survive.
OK, lets get rid of government buildings, public schools and transportation, regulation of airports and radio frequencies, firemen, a police force. You are a genius...
@RMPalm2000 Yeah! If we fund basic infrastructure, then we must fund every last element of life , no matter how corrosive! Just as long as it isn't traditional AmeriKKK...Americanism! It's only fair and completely logical!
@RMPalm2000 medicare is already bankrupt.. social security will long be gone by the time we are old enough to use it because they will not have enough money coming in.. there is no legal law stating that we must pay taxes.. what do you think people did before there was social security, and medicare? they set something aside for themselves, take away the safety net, then the country will flourish.
@RMPalm2000 Only people that should be taxed, are the huge corporations that have forced monopolies. Forcing a business to be successful with tax money is absolute proof that we need to stop paying taxes.
I don't pay taxes, they rob it from my paycheck. We work our lives away so THEY can enjoy the fruits of OUR labor. They force the employer to take the money out and give it to them. The solution is to stop working, stop supporting, stop begging, stop obeying, stop consenting, stop acquiescing, stop empowering. Take back what is yours by right, theirs by deception. If you want to work to keep them fat while our children starve go ahead, but don't complain when they come for you.
They rob you taxes from your paycheck? How the hell do you think our Armed forces protect our freedoms? our roads get paved? your old granmother earns her Social Security check each month like clockwork? You don't want to pay taxes? fine.. move the phuck on to Zimbabwe and stop posting stupid sheet.
abasej10845678...did you know that ALL the income taxes paid goes directly to the private bank called the federal reserve and pays just the interest on the debt NOT to any so called services.
Armed forces protect your freedoms...LMAO...what freedoms, you live in a freaking giant prison.
Furthermore, gas taxes pays for roads and social security tax has nothing to do with income tax.
@abasej10845678 : Actually the taxes don't pay for any of that, they only pay the interest on the national debt. The roads get built by road and bridge taxes and tolls, the Armed forces get paid by the military industrial machine, which gets it's money from the profits they make in creating weapons of war, grandma gets her social security as a small percentage of the dividends the USA Corporation makes off her birth certificate and bond. Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance. look n learn
Seriously... If the money is automatically taken from your paycheck by your employer, then how the fuck does the IRS or anyone else for that matter claim that you didnt pay your taxes?
Taxed
Enough
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kyle11606 5 months ago
the tea party has been co-opted and infiltrated
Myaucat 6 months ago
So where were you kicked out? No where in this stupid video does it show you getting kicked out. What a fucking loser.
kc7gnm 8 months ago
tea party is just another name 4 republican hipocrits they change to easy because they want to take the winning side
Halo2588 8 months ago
Why say no to shots? anyone?
Need to be educated on this subject.
martinez418 8 months ago
@martinez418 no please take there shots, look into the draco vaccine they plan on unleashing soon.And h1n1 if that dont scare you
surfjerr 5 months ago
CANADA's newly elected MARXIST, JACK LAYTON, leader of the New Democratic Party, caught in Bawdy House with under-aged female. The MORE IMPORTANT NEWS is his NDP is a member of SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL, successor to the Soviet communist internationals. JACK is building communist world government with the SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL... and he just became Canada's OFFICIAL OPPOSITION party in federal elections on 2 May 2011 -- but nobody knows about his SI affiliations.
crazyforcanada 8 months ago
"Of course we can see the oil and if you look at the picture provided on wikipedia,2 and I never said an oil spill didnt happen. I said it was much less of what depicted from the media and the Nasa pictures just confirm that!!
fresniak 8 months ago
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why be misleading with your titles? It descredits you from jumps street! this dishonesty sets the tone as you as a liar. your weak shit empowers the right. have some tact. such a waste of energy.
karenkedong 9 months ago
why be misleading with your titles? It descredits you from jumps street! this dishonesty sets the tone as you as a liar. your weak shit empowers the right. have some tact. such a waste of energy.
karenkedong 9 months ago
@karenkedong ...the title is not misleading you just fail to comprehend and trust me the "right" and "left" are not happy with us. You can play that left/right game but eventually you will have to leave the Matrix.
RP4409 9 months ago
@RP4409 I hate the Tea party as much as you do if not more But your facts on somethings as it pertains to taxes and the Constitution is just wrong. Excuse my typing as I am doing it via an Android touch screen device. But you get my point...
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@jesusnagstring How can he get your point if the only thing you said was that he is wrong? Sounds more like a bludgeon than a point.
Judicial78 11 months ago
No income tax? Who pays for the military, roads, public works, police, fire, FDA to make sure our food and medications are ok. Border patrol, postal service, bodies of govt, prisons, wars, Soc. Sec. Medicare, orphanages. You people are such idiots...
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@jesusnagstring ...are you serious? Well, there is a tax on gas that already pays for roads. The FDA does not protect you from anything. They allow MSG in your food and fluoride (toxic aluminum waste) in your water. The FDA also has approved ton of prescription drugs that have proved to deadly so no help their either. The EPA also said it was ok to breath the toxic dust on 9/11 and told the responders they did not need to wear respirators. The FDA is a gate keeper to keep competition out. CONT.
RP4409 1 year ago 6
@RP4409 You're insane. The rights big argument when it was suggested to allow Americans to get access to cheaper foreign drugs was that "The FDA hasn't tested or approved them." So the FDA is ok as an excuse for the right but when someone on the left says we need the FDA then it's discounted. Typical. Just like your darling Michelle Bachman discrediting the CBO's numbers on healthcare and said they couldn't be trusted and then turned around and showed a chart from the CBO that agreed with her
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@RP4409 You are clueless. You have more "state run orphanages than private. Simply because you do not the private funds to sustain the care of all orphans. I am a firefighter/emt and we work with different fundraisers just to provide orphans in church run the basic care they need to make it through the month. The donations due not pour in from the wealthy like you think, Thats why the largest exchange in wealth stayed with the top 2% and didn't trickle down.Not even through charity for orphans
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@jesusnagstring .....The postal service is funded through the purchase of stamps....just like Fed Ex. Social Security is a tax on your income and is spent before its even put away so don;t expect that anytime soon. The government should not be in the business of orphanages...leave that to churches. SS and Medicare is also unconstitutional. Unconstitutional undeclared wars should not be funded through a direct tax. Nothing you are taxed goes to these programs anyway.
RP4409 1 year ago 4
@RP4409 Ok. Sop run on the fact that the Tea Party thinks Soc. Sec. is unconstitutional along with Medicare, postal service, the military which is funded by taxes, protection from terrorism and the likes of the Az shooter. If you think that all infrastructure is paid for through a gas tax you're delusional. If you expect a gas tax to totally fund roads and bridges and public works then get ready for the price of gas to skyrocket due to tax increases to cover the losses and offset the taxes.
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@RP4409 When we had the mass bird and fish deaths who did the public demand answers from? The govt. I didn't see people demanding that a private company explain the deaths. That fell on the EPA , CDC, and Dept. of Human services. All funded by tax dollars. I live at the epicenter for Hurr. Katrina. Without out tax funded organizations like FEMA, local EMA, Coast Guard, National Guard, State, local, and Federal law enforcement the worse disaster in American history would have been a lost cause.
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@RP4409 But if you teabaggers want to run on how unconstitutional Soc. Sec. , Medicare, and public services are and you want to "take away " or repeal them then I look forward to the 2012 elections. Just make sure Sarah can fit all those talking points on her hand before they're debated...I also call for everyone to put Sarah Palin and Rupert Murdoch in their crosshairs and "instead of retreating: reload!" Oh excuse me . I meant survey markers...
jesusnagstring 1 year ago
@RP4409 the postal service is not funded through stamps. It is a service the post office has, but stamps do not pay 100% for their entire service. Don't know where you got that from but its entirely wrong.
Orphanages should be in the hands of churches? You mean the churches that are given tax subsidies? Or the churches that molest boys? Or the churches that are anti-gay, anti-women, etc?
Where in the Constitution does it say that SS/Medicare is unconstitutional?
seattle8686 9 months ago
@RP4409 The constitution does say that the governments duty is to provide for the general welfare of the people.It won't help if all of our senoir citizens are dying in the streets because medical costs are so high, housing is so high, etc.I think people need to redirect their anger to the appropriate source.Corporations.Of course the government can be a problem,especially if they're controlled by corporations and not the people. Campaign finance reform is needed.And You're right about the EPA
seattle8686 9 months ago
@seattle8686 ...You're right...the constitution does say provide for the general welfare, but it does not say they can steal from me in order to do it. Theft is theft even by government.
Furthermore, medical costs are high, housing is high and nothing the government does will help it. Its called inflation (the printing and devaluation of our currency) and you can't regulate it out of one industry because it will go to another.
BTW your beloved government IS a corporation.
RP4409 9 months ago
@RP4409 You call it stealing, I call it paying your dues. If you want to be an American citizen with the rights we have, you have responsiblities. In our Constitution, we must have certain programs that allow America to be one of the best countries in the world, in all of history. If we had all our elderly citizens die off and become homeless because we dont have a social security program or medicare, then it would impact you as well (indirectly of course). Some programs are a necessity
seattle8686 9 months ago
@RP4409 "Furthermore, medical costs are high, housing is high and nothing the government does will help it"
That is incorrect. If the government had implemented a public option, the CBO showed a savings of 2 trillion over 10 years.Premiums would have come down because it would have been REAL competition to the insurance companies.Now,the government is bought out by the corporations, so it didn't happen.I agree that the government can cause problems,but we need it to represent the people again
seattle8686 9 months ago
@RP4409 "BTW your beloved government IS a corporation"
That is what liberals have been saying for years. Thanks for catching up. Whether you are right wing or not, a bunch of right wingers have come out of the woodworks and have complained of corporations owning the government and acting as if liberals didn't know.We have been wanting campaign finance reform for years now. We have been warning people about corporations.It is the right wingers who say "oh yeah, corporations are evil (sarcasm)"
seattle8686 9 months ago
@RP4409 And yes we can regulate. First, make sure corporations cannot pay to our politicians through strict finance reform and taking away "personhood" from businesses. Then you back in place Glass/Stiegal which was a brilliant regulation that capped banks from making risky investments and not allowing them to use money they didn't have. This was deregulated by Bush. Close loopholes on offshore accounts, bring the money back to the US, no more subisidies to businesses sending jobs overseas.
seattle8686 9 months ago
@seattle8686 .....good luck with all your fantasies. Nice how you just gloss over the federal reserve and blame shit on presidents...Go play in your left / right world...later
RP4409 9 months ago
@RP4409 LOL. So this is how you debate? I give clear examples of how to get citizens back into power and take it back from the lobbyists in DC and you come back with a pathetic message and reduce my argument to a blame game of presidents and the federal reserve?
And "left/right world"?That makes no sense.You have no argument, and you realize this so you went into attack mode.Instead of attacking when I clearly overmatched you,it's okay to agree and see that I have made good points
seattle8686 9 months ago
@RP4409 "Theft is theft even by government."
So when you want to "gloss" over the government, then its okay? But when I bring up the Federal Reserve just printing out trillions of dollars to pay off debt to Swiss and German banks, Goldmann, AIG, and so forth, then I am the one who glosses over the government?
You have no argument. You just want to argue rather than see that I have made good points and that my concerns are justified and should be looked at.
seattle8686 9 months ago
@seattle8686 ....games, endless nonsense and games...go play in regulation world, I do not have time
RP4409 9 months ago
@RP4409 So instead of having a rational debate and understanding the points I have made, you'd rather run? I made some good points. Its okay to acknowledge it
And games? What games? Regulation world? You don't have time? For what?
If you think wall street/banks and other big money makers are over regulated, I suggest you read up on all the rules that have been thrown out since Nixon and see how it had disastrous effects on our economy. Two words, Glass/Steagall. The main reason for our collapse
seattle8686 9 months ago
@seattle8686 ....You just don't get it yet. Most regulations are there to keep competition out between themselves its not there to stifle illegal or immoral behavior.
You said "Glass/Stiegal which was a brilliant regulation that capped banks from making risky investments and not allowing them to use money they didn't have."
HUH? The Banks are under fractional reserve rules which means > ALL < the money they use they don't actually have....that is the point I'm making. Watch "money as debt"
RP4409 9 months ago
@RP4409 Name a few regulations that are created to stifle competition?
"HUH? The Banks are under fractional reserve rules which means"
Explain fractional reserve rules. And please finish your sentences. It does not make sense when you write "The banks are under fractional reserve rules which means All the money they use they don't actually have".
First, I know banks are allowed to invest up to a certain amount that they don't have. Canadian banks are allowed 3 to 1 (last I heard). (cont'd)
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 The truth about canada (as well as any other coutnry) is here: watch Oh.Canada-Our.Bought.and.Sold.Out.Land ?v=-m6pGogjnwI
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak you need to private message me the video because I copied and pasted and nothing comes up. And I already know Canadian bank regulation since I it was part of my degree at Uvic. I know enough to get by and much better than the average American.
Please do not debate me with a video. Make your own argument. If you want to cite sources, give me the website. Don't have me go fishing for things.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 wtf just google Oh.Canada-Our.Bought.and.Sold. Out.Land Maybe this video is not available in your country (most likely) cause of nazitube. Anyway I don't like going over and over again on the same subjects. The current money system is a complete FRAUD. Watch my playlist "the money fraud". I have studied the debt money system and it's the most epic fraud in history: transfers with the help of government wealth from the poor/middle class to the rich non working and speculative elite.
fresniak 8 months ago
@RP4409 That is why Canadian banks and their economy did not go under and they did not see a huge economic collapse. Glass/Steagall (not Glass/Stiegal) limited the amount of risky bets the banks could make. When we deregulated, it told the banks that they are now allowed to risk however much they want and since it was insured by the federal government, any losses would be collected through our taxpaying dollars.
I am still right on my wanting an effective regulation like Glass/Steagall.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 the only deregulation possible = KILL THE FED and every Private Central Banks. Any other tactics is a joke, the system is a wealth sucker for the rich, there aren't any excuse to keep it.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Among the FED , we also need campaign finance reform and making sure that only registered voters can donate/contribute money to a politician. Get he power back to the people and away from the corporations.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 the corporations would have no power in a free market society cause market itself would have all the power. And there is no way that if you abolish the fed big corporations will ever survive the way they are now, they would bankrupt together with big banks. You're focusing on something that is marginal: in a free society and a free market corruption tends to disappear, cause it lacks the fuel of inflation, speculation and government spending.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Not quite. In a free market where there is no oversight whatsoever, there are no rules or guidelines or protections.....then there is the ability for cheating.
What happens when there is no rule of law? We saw this in Montreal when the police went on strike. There was chaos.
There needs to be some protection. We have rules in place now and businesses STILL try to cut corners. Look at BP. What regulation caused the oil spill? I know a lack of regulation that helped cause it.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "then there is the ability for cheating." How? How? The constitution is the rule. If you cheat the constitution you go to prison. It's plain simple. You are like someone that is willing to change the system but still is completely stuck in the paradigm of the old system. Cheating is possible, but it cannot be big gvt/ big interests cheating it can be only at individual or small corp. level, therefore it is a much lesser issue and the judges can take care of the small cheaters.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Who said the constitution? You did. Pay attention. I am talking about rule of law(not the law of the land..get the difference?). The rule of law are the state and federal legislation that is passed by our politicians. In a free market system, there is no need for law and rules governing buyer and seller conduct
With no rules, we have no protection. No oversight means cheating of the consumers is likely. Actually, it WILL happen because it happens now awit hthe little regulation we have
seattle8686 8 months ago
@fresniak Only an individual and a small corproation can cheat? That is crazy....so big corporations don't cheat? No, they do cheat, they just create the laws for them to cheat so then its legal (e.g. buying politicians).
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "Only an individual and a small corproation can cheat" I was speaking what would happen in a free society with small government, of course you're not enough smart to figure it out.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 big corporations wouldnt have the power they have now, or even probably wouldnt exist. I am very confident in a free society we would have plenty of individual and small corporations actively cooperating among them and big corporations would be impossible cause none would want to work as a slave for them and because big corporations need government protection and huge nanks loans to survive.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 About your other claim about gvt spending, without the FED government cannot spend what he wants and cannot raise any debt ceiling cause there won't be no debt at all.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "What happens when there is no rule of law? " LOL the Constitution is the Law, it is the fullfillment of Common Law. You don't need almost any politician at all, to have a country that works just fine and great. If you infringe any right of others you go to trial and eventually are sentenced to prison. This is the only Law you need. Most Regulations is just shit to give privileges to someone and steal the rights of the people away.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak The Constitution is NOT the law kid. The Constitution is a framework of specific RIGHTS that Americans are privileged to. It is NOT a code of law.
Are laws are set up through legislation that is then carried out by our levels of courts. Do I really need to give you a Civics lesson?
If I infringe on your right to peacefully organize, it is not the First Amendment that I will be given a trial on...I will be tried on a number of LAWS set up that is NOT in the Constitution (e.g. assault)
seattle8686 8 months ago
@fresniak So if we get rid of EVERYTHING but the Constitution...where in the Constitution does it say that molestation is illegal? Or murder?
You have NO clue about the Constitution. It is NOT the Rule of Law. It is a framework of rights guaranteed to us. If someone infringes on those rights, there are LAWS on the books (NOT within the Constitution) that will be carried out such as illegal detention, assault, and so forth.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 The constitution and a Bill of Rights is all you need. You just need to state 3 rights: Rights to liberty, to Life and to Property legally acquired. Murder and molestation I am sure you can find which of these 3 rights best describe them, or aren't you that smart?
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "Look at BP. What regulation caused the oil spill?" Now here you're speaking of something different. First of all do you really think that the BP Oil spill really happened the way it was said on the mass media? It was not. Where is all the oil? None saw it. They say it sinked how? Do you know what is the specific weight of oil? Only a very small fraction of oil has weight greater than water.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak As a member of the research community who read the reports of my colleagues in higher academia, the BP oil spill DID happen, it did pump out over 50,000 barrels of crude oil a day, and it ruined the habitat and fisheries.
You can be conspiratorial all you want, but we are still cleaning up the Exxon Valdez spill.
You are not qualified to give a professional opinion on whether or not the studies and estimates produced on the oil spill is wrong.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 is my chemical engineering degree enough for a qualification?
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 the spill did it happen but it didnt pump 50000 gallons per day, or it didnt for that long time. There is no trace of oil anywhere in the gulf of mexico. Ask anyone who lives there.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak And in what reality does corruption magically disappear when no rules are in place? The Garden of Eden? Before or after the eating of the apple?
Can you give me a society in which this has worked?
And lack of regulation has allowed government spending. Canada has a limit on how much banks can bet against their assets which is why they were not affected by our recession like many other countries (e.g. Germany, Swiss). Effective regulation works.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 Regulations are rules that can be easily circumvented by those who have powers. About Canada watch the video I have suggested, you're plainly wrong in believing that canada stands any better than the US. Even if you put regulations, banks will still suck all the wealth of a country and transfer it to the rich class. They have almost unlimited powers (fractional reserve etc..). In Canada banks can lend up to 98% out of no reserve.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Yes, regulations can be circumvented...so it doesn't make sense to not have rules at all.....we need to make sure that corporations are not allowed to buy our politicians so that registered voters are more represented.
And I am not plainly wrong about Canaa. Do you live here kid? I do. Those countries who have no regulations on the amount of risky investments banks can make went down along with the US.
Go to weforum dot org and look at the Global Competitiveness Report of 2010-2011
seattle8686 8 months ago
@fresniak The renowned report, among others, details the countries with the best financial and banking institutions. And the ones that are clearly, smartly, and effecctively regulated is the smoothest systems. Canada is one of the better countries with the US in shambles
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 afaik the BP paid some money for the damage caused. Now if the damage was really like the one depicted by the mass media, I don't think BP would have paid such a law bill. I am pretty convinced the BP Spill was mainly a media psyop and anyway greatly exaggerated to allow an excuse for stopping drilling oil in the gulf of mexico. It is not a matter of regulations. Accidents may happen even with regulations.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak You're probably right, the biggest oil spill in world history, larger than exxon/valdez and it ONLY pumped out 50,000+ barrels of crude oil a day and ruined an entire fishing industry......no worries right? eyeroll.
Don't you people get tired of defending big corporations who get away with everything?
If your company did something like that...you would be out of business...why is it that these buisinesses are immune to closing down and some other business taking over?
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "Don't you people get tired of defending big corporations who get away with everything?" I dont defend them lol I say let the justice have its course. Now BP paid a very small fee, this is a very good hint that the oil spill was mostly a media hoax.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak "Now BP paid a very small fee, this is a very good hint that the oil spill was mostly a media hoax"
What a joke. You know how many bought politicians from the oil companies were on the panel overseeing the BP oil spill? You remember that dick who said we should apologize to BP?
They paid very little because our politicians were good little boys and girls serving their boss and making sure their boss (BP) didn't pay much consequences....don't blame the "media" which did little
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 Well No. Corporations are very powerful but not that stupid to have an accident like that by chance. I am an engineer and I have worked some time in the oil industry. I know what am talking about.. IT was planned, the BP spill and the mass media psyop was all part of an agenda with many purposes. the NWO masters want to destroy the US economy, here you go now you can't drill oil in the gulf of mexico and gas price is sky high. OF course Obama has now rewarded BP with alaska contract
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak BP doesn't actually run the oil refineries or the drilling companies.There were two other companies involved including Haliburton and another I forget. The three are suing one another over who is at fault.
Drilling is a dangerous job, the more you do deep water drilling.I am not saying they did it on purpose. I am sure BP and the other two companies would love it if this had never happened,but it did happen and research into it has shown that the media underestimated the amount spilled
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 LOL drilling is very easy job and safe if you have the technology. It just costs money if happens in deep water. Oil companies make sure they do not loose any drop of oil, they are not stupid to have accidents like that happening by chance. Also they risk their name if some accident like that happens. Of course it was coincidental once again that the BP brand does not actually sell refined products, so it could not be boycotted at the gas pump. I don't believe in coincidences.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak LOL, you have such a kid-like outlook. Yes, companies don't want an image problem. Thats why three companies are suing each other over the Gulf disaster. You haven't defeated my argument yet. It happened because it was an accident. Accidents happen but it also was worse in the aftermath because there is no technology in oil clean-up. We used fucking sponges and tarps to try and collect it.
And I don't care what you believe in unless it is facts. This was an avoidable accident
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 " Thats why three companies are suing each other over the Gulf disaster. " I bet you read this bs from the media too. I am sure the companies wil lcome to an agreement before having to admit the common fraud in front of a judge.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak other comments I said that you chose to ignore: Hundreds offshore drilling platforms are today all over the world in much worst environment but none seems concerned. why?
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak It was not planned and you have no evidence that it was. And now that you have gone into the NWO crap, this conversation is over. I am not into conspiracy theories. I am into facts. Take care.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "it was not planned" (because you say so) "..and you have no evidence that it was" If I dont' have evidence that it was planned and you STATE that it was not. I guess you have evidence of the contrary then? the NWO crap is all around you man, stop being a cry baby and start seeing the world for what it is and do something about it in your life or if you prefer go hiding yourself from the scare, but just stop lying to yourself.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak That is the "god argument". If I say there is no evidence for a god, that does not mean I have to prove that a god doesn't exist. I cannot prove the evidence of their NOT being a conspiracy.
Your message is a rambling with grammatical errors and I don't have time to decipher it. I am sure there are 'like-interests' that have corporations and the mega-rich pushing for similar things that make it appear it is a unified effort.
And who is crying? Please don't project kid.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 If you state it wasn't done on purpose and deny that possibility without any proof, then it's you who have to bring the evidences and proofs of what you are stating. I have enough evidence that the spill was vastly exaggerated and knowing the kind of safety measures they have on these platforms, the accident had to be intentional and not the way it was told. Hundreds offshore drilling platforms are today all over the world in much worst environment but none seems concerned. why?
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak If I state it wasn't done on purpose, I do NOT have to provide evidence. You have not provided evidence. You have only stated that you don't believe in coincidences and you gave a bunch of other useless comments like "it was exaggerated" but you haven't provided ANY data or any research that shows it.
Actually, I provided you evidence. 50,000+ barrels of crude oil was pumped out each day. Now prove it wrong.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 You have to prove it, cause you seem to be sure about it. While mine are legitimate doubts based on evidences that I have. Btw there was plenty of ways to recover the oil, but apparently you have not researched it at all. BP was even offered these machines which can separate water from oil with 99% + efficiency and have very high capacity. BP refused. Then they claimed to have used them later only after many months since the accident had happened. You are just very uninformed.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak It is about marketing kid. Welcome to the real world. BP tried to fudge the reports on how much oil was being pumped out each hour. They were not cooperating with state and federal agencies. If it was a conspiracy to cause the spill to happen, then it makes no sense and they all acted worse than Lindsay Lohan. Also, was the CEO who was relieved, was that part of the conspiracy as well?
You are just really uninformed kid.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 " If it was a conspiracy to cause the spill to happen, then it makes no sense.." Maybe because you did not get the goal of the conspiracy. IT was to make it look oil the bad guy so they can push a global carbon tax (now they're doing someth similar for the nuclear energy), to destroy the US economy by stopping the drills in the gulf raising the price of gasoline. People in the US and in the world r already struggling for the bailouts and the financial crisis. Welcome to the NWO!
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 If you want to look into the BP psyop you can watch Lenon Honor's documentary about the bP oil spill. It's on youtube. But I have a gut feeling you will just ignore this as you ignored watching the other documentary about Canadian economic and monetary system.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak No thanks, I get news from CBC and BBC as well as some news in the states and online. Then I cross check the information to see if it matches up. Your story is propaganda.
And I'm sorry if you don't like the idea that I am not into baseless claims. Getting into a career in research will do that to you.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "Actually, I provided you evidence. " Actually you have given no evidences just your word for it, while I have said I have an expertise in the field and told you such accidents are impossible to happen as described (unless it was done on purpose). Plus in the very limited media footage there isnt anything that proves there was a huge spill, mostly we saw computer simulations. Nor there's any 3rdparty video or photos showing anything close to an effect of an oil spill in the gulf.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak watching youtube videos doesn't give you "expertise in the field" kid.
"Plus in the very limited media footage there isnt anything that proves there was a huge spill, mostly we saw computer simulations"
You are an idiot and are worse than Fox.Even Fox doesn't even come out and say "The spill wasn't that bad". A few hosts say"the water will dilute the oil" which is funny. These are the same people who say that the Japan radiation is just a little extra cesium and plutonium in the air
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "watching youtube videos doesn't give you "expertise in the field" kid." But a bachelor with masters in chemical engineering does that, You Kid!!
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Yawn*. Not on youtube kid. Here, you are just like everyone else. It doesn't matter if you have a PhD or a Masters in Educational Psychology like me or your MA in chem. engineering (whether you have it or not). It doesn't serve anyone to bring up any credentials because on youtube, it is about what facts you bring and how you present your argument.
Do you really think that is how it works? I say something, then you come back and give me your credentials and I automatically agree?
seattle8686 8 months ago
@fresniak I suggest you go onto the internet and actually challenge yourself to look at the pictures of the gulf oil spill and not propaganda sites. The evidence is all on the internet.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 there are no amateur videos or pictures taken all around the gulf of mexico that prove the spill was of the entity depicted by the media. Stop YOUR PROPAGANDA
fresniak 8 months ago
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@fresniak "there are no amateur videos or pictures taken all around the gulf of mexico that prove the spill was of the entity depicted by the media. "
You didn;t cite a source, you didn't provide any facts. I gave ou something quite simple and un-scientific. I cited wikipedia just because they have a number of pictures of the Gulf oil spill. Again, you lose and reality wins.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 Plus you totally ignored other things I said about the impossibility that the oil would disappear sinking, cause most of the oil has a lighter specific weight than water, which means oil tends to stay on the surface of the water. But people are so bumbed down in america they dont know even basic physics anymore.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak I ignored you because saying "oil tends to stay on the surfaceof the water" doesn't prove anythng. Of course we can see the oil and if you look at the picture provided on wikipedia, it is a NASA taken photograph but I am sure you will say that they doctored the photo. This is the problem with technology, it creates skeptics who will never believe anything. I put you up there with those people who think that the government is hiding alien ships from Roswell and other BS stories
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 You chose to ignore scientific facts. I am a chemical engineer, you? you're just an idiot who believes everything the media say. You cannot take bbc and cnn and cross-check this is just stupid. These media belong to the same elite of financiers, tied in a masonic structure, they are playing the game, I am very sorry for you, not just coz you base your info on a couple of sources, but coz you leave out the option of researching and your own critical thinking. gl with your ignorance
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak "I am a chemical engineer, you?" That is not an argument. Your creentials are worthless on youtube.
"you're just an idiot who believes everything the media say" Based on what evidence? What media do you know I watch? Have you ever watched CBC or BBC? Is NPR part of the hoax as well? What evidence do you have? You must prove that those three stations are wrong. What evidence do you have that those particular stations (specifically the non-american ones) are part of the hoax?
seattle8686 8 months ago
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@seattle8686 " Have you ever watched CBC or BBC? Is NPR part of the hoax as well? " All the media in the world today are controlled by the same elite that also control governments, you can see it very good. They always cover the same news in talmost identical way, they never give any new that seriously damages the status-quo (and no am not talking baout some homneless people being thrown out during the olympics).continues..
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak That is incorrect. People like you believe that because you have lived in your bubble of America for your whole life.
The media is not controlled in most of the industrialized world (with exception to some political pressure for the BBC but nothing like it is in America).
And you have never watched CBC or BBC so stfu...you have no clue if they all run the same stories the same way. You have no proof.
You are basing it on what you see in the states
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 I have watched bbc and they are in the same game as all others, just check how they reported on building 7 on 911. Just google it "bbc building 7 911"
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak LOL, you have no evidence. You are quite qualitative. You base judgments on one or two things you deem as the "same game as all others". I watch BBC everyday, not just once or twice in a year. They are not Fox news where talking points are made each morning and all the commentators speak on the same thing with the same lines.
Nice try. But you still are quite ignorant of the media outside of the US bubble.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 lmao your not even serious you mean watch BBC what a joke,Ill bet you you dont even know who owns BBC.Let alone they have always put up a front to keep the masses under control.And to top that off they use talking points to favor the elite controled BBC to be favored just like you said you watch everyday.The only true news anymore is you doing the research yourself,There is no Elite crap news you can trust.But hey i dont really care if your drinking there Kool-aid thats your choice.
surfjerr 5 months ago
@surfjerr BBC has its faults. No denying that, but you are over generalizing the use of talking points. You have stations that fall under marching orders, and then you have stations that give a little more freedom. This is why I watch BBC, CBC, Al-Jazeera, and yes, even Fox "news". I mix it up with different outlets andyes, it does take doing your own research, but it doesn't mean you create your own opinion based on biases or emotion. You must provide evidence to your claims
seattle8686 5 months ago
@seattle8686 All the media take their biased information either from a very limited group of press-agencies or from miltary / government sources. The news are just reported as read, they never ever seriously investigate. Take fukushima, only a Russia-Today reporter actually went close to the reactor to measure the radiations with a geiger and he couldnt detect anything. Of course RT itself spinned this around and did not report the scoop, cause they're controlled as well.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 Media are a HUGE Propaganda Tool. If you think they are there to tell you the truth you are a fool. It's you that should get out of the media basement in this case. I have done my work and my research and I always doubt everything the media says. I do my completely independent research out of any media using scientific information I may have or know by profession or by searching any logically pertinent info on the internet. I usually find many incongruences in the media reports.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Media CAN BE a propaganda tool and it is in the US. Not in most other inudstrialized nations. And no, you haven't done your research and if you doubt EVERYTHING that the media says, then you doubt what EVERYONE says in real life. You don't trust your family, your friends, coworkers, or any person except yourself. And I don't like people who are unable to take in different viewpoints. That is too conservative and anti-progress and anti-learning (just to make my words simple for you)
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 "Not in most other inudstrialized nations. " You're wrong MEDIA are propaganda tools all over the world, so it is in Italy, England, France,everywhere. I am italian i know what am talking about. Of course, I doubt everything someone says without proofs, especially if they blindly repeat media propaganda, I immediately doubt what they are saying (repeating). Coz everyone tries to manipulate truth to gain power in this world. I trust people whom I know good from a moral standpoint,.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 " .. hiding alien ships from Roswell and other BS" but I am not one of those, so your claim is completely out of context. When I suspect a conspiracy I research it myself I dont base my observation on conspiracy websites. Most of them are set-up exactly for the reason of mixing bullshits with actual truths, so that everyone who dares researching what's happening outside the media spin, may be labeled as a nutcase. exactly what you're doing now. But dont think that impresses me
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak "so that everyone who dares researching what's happening outside the media spin, may be labeled as a nutcase. exactly what you're doing now. "
I see my point went over your head. You can follow news stories that are not typically covered by the media and not be labeled a nutcase. For instance, the homeless being collected and thrown into wharehouses during the Vancouver Olympics. But the news you get in your fantasy world is that the Vancouver Olympics took place. LOL
seattle8686 8 months ago
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" I ignored you because saying "oil tends to stay on the surfaceof the water" doesn't prove anythng"
IT proves the media lied to millions of people saying the oil just sank into the deep of the ocean. You ignore logic, physics and mathematics, you are utterly ignorant.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak "IT proves the media lied to millions of people saying the oil just sank into the deep of the ocean. You ignore logic, physics and mathematics, you are utterly ignorant."
No, you just overgeneralize. I never heard a consensus on any of the major media outlets that the oil just sank. You can actually see the oil from the NASA pictures provided all over the internet. Rachel Maddow went to the Gulf herself and collected the sludge. Its documented, you just have to get out of the basement
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 Who is Rachel Maddow ? Do you trust her? She is the same as any other media journalist today, either controlled, or corrupted or tied to freemasonry, or all of them together. Why shuld I believe her, when everyone I have sp0oken to living in the gulf of mexico never saw a drop of oil? Check the few picture and videos on the internet yourself. Just show me a single video or photo from amateur that clearly depicts oil on shore in the gulf of mexico or anything like that.
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak Yes, I do know the career of Rachel Maddow and her education level and I have not heard a story in which she gave false facts or false stats. I have only heard people on the right blast her because they disagree with her on social issues. But on the facts..when it comes to numbers....haven't seen a story where she was wrong.....I take that back..she has misquoted before but went on air the following day to clarify and correct the mistake (like real journalists do)
seattle8686 8 months ago
@fresniak I have already seen pictures of the gulf oil spill.I have family who lives in the Gulf and they have seen it. The few doctored photos you have is funny and you base your entire opinion of the Gulf spill on doctored and edited photos. Thanks for the debate, but you keep losing.We have to call this to an end at some point because I am getting embarassed for you.Im embarassed to be having a dialogue with someone who denies that their was an oil spill or that it wasn't large(despite facts)
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 wait a moment you say you have family on the gulf ONLY NOW ? WOW Why not bring the argument before? So where exactly on the gulf? What did they see? Did they take pictures, did they take videos? Any evidence, proof, circumstance? As I said already ten times maybe I state there was a spill but it was greatly exaggerated by the media to spread the chaos and to pursue political agendas, where Obama can shut-off the drill in the gom
fresniak 8 months ago
@fresniak First, it doesn't really matter who I know in the Gulf. Second, are you saying the millions in the Gulf are lying? Who is paying them?
And yes, they did take pictures and it has been uploaded to the internet. Go to wikipedia, there is a picture right there.
Again, you have not provided any evidence to there being a small spill. You have not given numbers, you have not cited sources. You have lost this debate.
seattle8686 8 months ago
@seattle8686 you need to tell me which family you know and where they live cause you seem to claim they have proof the oil spill was in their location in the gom. Who took pictures? I am talking about people you personally know, not about nasa, I have already seen those of nasa and they dont show a huge oil spill over all the gom, but only around the location where the platform was. I dont have to prove evidence the oil spill was small, MEDIA have to bring proof that their report was accurate.
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 millions of people in the gom are not lying, they didnt see the oil. Look in google pictures for "bp oil spill "most of what you see is hardly proof of anything, most pics do not have any oil in them. Where are helicopter pictures of a contaminated ebach, zero not one. Let me explain to you, the media gave the new, they are responsible to show proof and to report accurately. They even manufactured pictures of saving the pellicans etc.., how can you believe them?
fresniak 8 months ago
@seattle8686 about ho is paying them..the people in the fishing industry know it very good and have been paid to shut their mouth up. Check to whom the bP money was paid and check the fake story of that woman fisherman, once again you should watch the whole lenon honor's documentary on the oil spill, of course you wont do it because you dont have the balls to sit and watch.
fresniak 8 months ago
jedi mind?
AnUnlimitedRecord 1 year ago
Music?
labanuppsala 1 year ago
I see no riot.
Down with Socialism and Communism. I wish we could just be free and keep Capitalism from going crazy. I would get rid of Capitalism too if it were possible.
cinema2k 1 year ago
The Tea Party is nothing more than a distraction... and it's filling people's heads full of false racist, and so called "christian' bias. Be afraid, be very afraid. People like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are shills for the foreign, corporate owned media, and they are treasonists.
djjimi 1 year ago
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@djjimi Have you even been to a tea party?
DimensionsofChange 1 year ago
yeah we dont want to be immune to a dieses and virus that used to kill millions a day because we have a propaganda theroy!
Aaron2ownage 1 year ago
I love all these retired people who don't want any tax, but still want their medicare and social security . . . and probably the police, fire department, and the interestates, too. What ignorant fools.
SuperContinuum 1 year ago
What happened to the RIOT?
TheGabster64 1 year ago
@RP4409
Hell, i like school a lot. Where do you think kids make most of their friends? If your talking about drugs and stuff like that well it would still happen. But tell me more of what you think of firemen because you never responded about them when I said they do stop fires from spreading and rescue people. And what about roads and bridges; they would fall apart.
eray12345a 1 year ago
@eray12345a Volunteer firefighters do a fine job where I live. Next?
krsauls 1 year ago
How about we forget the tax issue, and just start deporting Mexicans?
Savings time (long run).
NauiBitchtl 1 year ago
jhv
azrial4421 1 year ago
I don't mind paying a fair tax for a good government. I do mind paying for people who refuse to work. I do mind paying for corporations to rob us. I do mind paying politicians to rob us. I do mind paying for police brutality. I do mind paying for a legal system that only serves the rich. I do mind paying for a military that kills weak people to steal their oil. I do mind paying wages of teachers who are less educated than their students. So, I guess I DO mind paying taxes.
kuei1248 1 year ago
whats the song, I like the beat?
ZMan2324 1 year ago
Music is horrible. Goes well with a horrible video.
Garthorn 1 year ago
If you think paying income tax is fascism than youre just an ungreatful douche.
My grandparents told me stories of their life in fascist germany/czech and later under soviet occupation and believe me paying taxes was the least of their worries. Just look at the many fascist countries that still exist today, where protesters get shot at.
I am sure behind the simple minded slogans are some real concerns but youre loosing alot of credibility when you use populism on important issues.
Bombur86 1 year ago
I guess you don't understand how "taxes" are implemented??? I don't mind paying taxes when I KNOW what they are being used for! Property tax and local sales tax makes up nearly 85% of local gov spending. That includes county roads, parks, schools, street lights, public safety, etc.
brenbigtruck 1 year ago
illegals r hard workers the tea party members just need a few thousand happy meals and theyll quit bitching over petty issues
2coldstones 1 year ago
since RP4409 was dishonest about this video, I will avoid his crap postings from now on.
QuadSonicStereo 1 year ago
So what happens when we dont pay taxes? we lose schools, roads, any government job. You REALLY need to think before posting stupid shit on youtube. Commys
MCShaugh 1 year ago
@MCShaugh actually communists pay very high taxes.. they also love socialist programs, like nationalized healthcare, nationalized education, and all love the fact that everyone gets paid the same.. because its "fair".
tattooshopjunkie 1 year ago
The Neocons and Sarah Palin have co-opted the Tea Party. Purge the GOP from the Tea Party.
RMCDisciple 1 year ago
you don't want to pay taxes? fine. Then we'll take away our army, our social security, and our medicare so that when we're older, we can all die poor
RMPalm2000 1 year ago
@RMPalm2000 ....earth to RMPalm2000 you're still going to die poor...LMAO
We have an Army its called an armed American people. We do not need the Army. Social Security is just a direct tax that is spent before they actually get it. You need to wake up man
RP4409 1 year ago
@RP4409 If you think that then you are in a much sadder state than I.
RMPalm2000 1 year ago
@RP4409
OK, lets get rid of roads, bridges, police, firemen, government buildings, public transportation, regulation of airports and radio frequencies, public schools. You are a genius...
eray12345a 1 year ago
@eray12345a....sounds good to me :)
RP4409 1 year ago
@RP4409
So when your house catches on fire and starts spreading, your fine with just letting people die and property be destroyed? And when someone breaks into your house your fine with having no one to call to help? Your OK with children going without proper education to create a generation of kids with no academic skills? Your OK with not having quick transportation to go where you need to go and no roads or bridges if you want to drive somewhere?
eray12345a 1 year ago
@eray12345a...1. firefighters are utterly useless other than stopping the fire from spreading. They completely destroy your house with water damage. So what is the difference destroyed by fire or water or both? 2. Don't be a pussy, buy a gun and protect yourself. Why do you rely on someone you have to call when seconds count they're minutes away? 3. I think we can both agree our education system can get no worse. The school system is nothing more than a babysitter / 12 year jail sentence. PWNED
RP4409 1 year ago
@RP4409
Well keeping a fire from spreading is extremely important so ya. And the difference is that people can die from the fire not really from the water. Remember firemen also rescue people. I have guns: a Sig Sauer p225, a Remington 870 and a Heckler and Koch 91. I'm no pussy but I still want someone to call when I don't have access to those things or when for example a group of people with automatic weapons try to kill me. Also, what about old or young people who can't use firearms?
eray12345a 1 year ago
@eray12345a My 81 year old grandmother went out shooting guns with me two weeks ago.
krsauls 1 year ago
@RP4409
Education is probably the most important thing EVER. What you said about education is so,so stupid. Why don't we actually try and fix it instead of getting rid of it. Do you really want a country of COMPLETELY uneducated people? I don't. PWNED
eray12345a 1 year ago
@eray12345a...lmao...we already have a country full of uneducated people..Me having to have this very argument with you is proof of that. Have you ever heard of Home school? They have everything you need to learn at the click of a mouse. Schools are nothing but a 12 year jail sentence with over priced babysitters. And before you say you can't afford to home school I ask that maybe people will have to give up one of their BMW's or 15,000sf homes. OMG the humanity...how would we ever survive.
RP4409 1 year ago
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@RP4409
OK, lets get rid of government buildings, public schools and transportation, regulation of airports and radio frequencies, firemen, a police force. You are a genius...
eray12345a 1 year ago
@RMPalm2000 Yeah! If we fund basic infrastructure, then we must fund every last element of life , no matter how corrosive! Just as long as it isn't traditional AmeriKKK...Americanism! It's only fair and completely logical!
And it's what Jesus the Liberal would do.
ObeyTheLeft 1 year ago
@RMPalm2000 medicare is already bankrupt.. social security will long be gone by the time we are old enough to use it because they will not have enough money coming in.. there is no legal law stating that we must pay taxes.. what do you think people did before there was social security, and medicare? they set something aside for themselves, take away the safety net, then the country will flourish.
tattooshopjunkie 1 year ago
@RMPalm2000 Only people that should be taxed, are the huge corporations that have forced monopolies. Forcing a business to be successful with tax money is absolute proof that we need to stop paying taxes.
azrial4421 1 year ago
@RMPalm2000
Just get rid of the bullshit that's not authorized in the US Constitution,
Federal Reserve, FEMA, Dept of Energy, Dept of Agriculture, Dept of Education, IRS, just to name a few epic failures/waste of money.
Armed forces are authorized, and should be the Federal Govt top priority.
Not communist care.
Return the money to the states.
People need to learn how to be self sufficient.
POWER TO THE STATES !
FreelancePatriot76 1 year ago
What's the song?
Egoist1957 1 year ago
"Wake up"
check it out.....
Tankboy26 1 year ago
I love it "likely to cause a riot" what a fucking joke.... sad fascist assholes.
Tankboy26 1 year ago
song??? and 5*
amalwaysawsome 1 year ago
I don't pay taxes, they rob it from my paycheck. We work our lives away so THEY can enjoy the fruits of OUR labor. They force the employer to take the money out and give it to them. The solution is to stop working, stop supporting, stop begging, stop obeying, stop consenting, stop acquiescing, stop empowering. Take back what is yours by right, theirs by deception. If you want to work to keep them fat while our children starve go ahead, but don't complain when they come for you.
~Peace and Love..
Snowblindinfinity 1 year ago
They rob you taxes from your paycheck? How the hell do you think our Armed forces protect our freedoms? our roads get paved? your old granmother earns her Social Security check each month like clockwork? You don't want to pay taxes? fine.. move the phuck on to Zimbabwe and stop posting stupid sheet.
abasej10845678 1 year ago
abasej10845678...did you know that ALL the income taxes paid goes directly to the private bank called the federal reserve and pays just the interest on the debt NOT to any so called services.
Armed forces protect your freedoms...LMAO...what freedoms, you live in a freaking giant prison.
Furthermore, gas taxes pays for roads and social security tax has nothing to do with income tax.
RP4409 1 year ago
@abasej10845678 : Actually the taxes don't pay for any of that, they only pay the interest on the national debt. The roads get built by road and bridge taxes and tolls, the Armed forces get paid by the military industrial machine, which gets it's money from the profits they make in creating weapons of war, grandma gets her social security as a small percentage of the dividends the USA Corporation makes off her birth certificate and bond. Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance. look n learn
Snowblindinfinity 1 year ago
@abasej10845678
military - corporate taxes
roads - gasoline taxes
Social Security - forced tax, no option, you won't ever see it
public schools - property taxes, even if you don't have kids or agree that public schools work
police/fire - property taxes.
interest on debt to Federal Reserve - income taxes
Anything else sport?
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@abasej10845678
An other liberal moron un aware of 10th Amendment.
Most of those issues are not up to the Federal Govt but the states.
No one said NO taxes, just no taxation with sucky representation.
FreelancePatriot76 1 year ago
Wow...
cutejoker69 1 year ago
What's this "quit paying" bullshit?
Seriously... If the money is automatically taken from your paycheck by your employer, then how the fuck does the IRS or anyone else for that matter claim that you didnt pay your taxes?
Riddle me fuckin THAT batman!!!
leaddrop 1 year ago
file exempt on w4
jamesskeary 1 year ago
@RP4409 Um, if you quit paying, you go to jail.
BoredomCorner 1 year ago