people gotta keep in mind honda is low on tier because of his chances of setting up combo in ultra other than that he could be dangerous and for real sf plaers tier list shouldnt matter because its not the character its the layer a really god dan player can deafet a decent sagat and thats the truth
I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO feel what you say about Lowtier chars like honda.
Like you're combos maign, but i tried to play honda but when i started playing real goed ppl, i couldn't realy take ppl down with him so i switched to Ryu ( with the pain in my heart ). Love youre vid, keep ya good work up. peaceee
You need to go off in to the mountains, learn a couple of Hondas high fuckery combo's and all those idiotic Sagat players will be falling at your feet.
Falling at my feet because I realise they can do that and do whatever it takes to not let it come into play. Keep yourself on the ground, block the fireballs and use the sumo splash to get yourself in. In SF4 you need to get "in" to somebody roughy 3 times per round with Honda, if you take enough damage you can get it down to 2. More than enough for Sagat fuckery.
Well this is what it is. With low tier characters or characters like this you have to do less work. With Abel and Ryu and those characters they have strings and combos and cancels that you have to learn. With Honda he is a poke character with simple combos. So the problem is this, he is easier to use but also more predictable. Oh and Ryu vs Abel matchup is tough on the player. Learn the players patterns. I found rolling short and jumping in with medium kick mixes up people
You don't understand what the tier system is. Two players of totally equel skill play each other, one plays Sagat the other plays Honda. Sagat will win 7 out of 10 games, not because the Sagat player is any better, but because the character is better. RIght, now we have that established, Honda has SEVERAL problems, 1) Rubbish Ultra, 2) Rubbish Headbut (Unless EX), 3) Rubbish Splash (Unless EX), 4) Can't combo off of Jab to throw escape 5) Can't combo easily into Ultra.
@Panesthesia You really dont know honda too well then, his headbutt is a great AA, along with his ex version as well, true honda doesnt have a really useful setup for ultra, but in all honesty he doesnt really need it.. he can easily combo his super from a good HHS set up, also the fact that honda takes a lot of damage, and he puts out a lot of damage as well. Also Honda is an amazing defensive character, and he also has the tools to put on amazing pressure tools such as jab to hhs.
"You have to do less work" Honda can't go through fireballs, you have to avoid/absorb all of them. As Ryu or any other fireball character you can simply throw one back. Is that less work? No. End of argument.
Honda is a lot better is Super Street Fighter 4, a brand new video is coming soon!
Why don't people ever consider how hard this game was to make? The story, music, and graphics were pretty easy to make and they already knew the character designs, plus, the game isn't even that balanced, I mean, it's not 3rd Strike but still. No work was put into this game and then a bunch of people who think they know shit about fighting games waltz in and suck this game's dick. Just fucking great, first music is ruined for me because of Soulja Boy, now 2D fighters. What's next?
I can't really decipher what you're getting at as such, however I will respond with Street Fighter 4 is Capcoms first 3D fighting game, as much as the game is played in 2D the models, stages and effects are all in 3D. Capcom had nothing to fall back on in terms of creating the Street Fighter experience in 3D (Other than the SFEX series which was developed by Akira not Capcom). As much as SF4 ISNT balanced, its still a lot of fun, which is what games should be no?
Hm... Wow XD I'm actually impressed by your behavior. You're much more calm and such. Anyhow, you are correct, a game should be fun. The thing is though, I'm more of a hardcore fighting game fan and am just really disappointed in this game. Personally, I feel the only reason for it's popularity is because it's Street Fighter. Also, it's not worth learning the lower tier characters either cause they take too much work compared to Ryu or Sagat who just do 3 combos to reverse the match.
Coming from experience (I am a Honda player, C tier at best in SF4) I understand where you're coming from in terms of the games balance. It is irritating being beaten simply because your opponents charachter is of a higher tier but, on the other side of that its amazingly satisfying beating a Sagat or Ryu player in SF4, as it shows you are -that- much better than your opponent, who has to resort to using the most powerful charachters in the game .... and still looses. Simply priceless.
Yeah, I get you. I actually (for some stupid reason) have an easy time using low tier characters. I beat a "high level" Sagat. Whooped his ass, however, as satisfying as it is, I don't enjoy playing Abel anymore because I can beat an Abel player who's been playing longer than me, but can't beat Ryu because all he needs to do unpunishable combos and pressures. It's not just even Abel, if I choose Ryu, I win, if I choose Balrog, win, Blanka, win, if I play Gen, I did more work for nothing.
To be honest Honda is a decent choice for a lower tier charachter, he takes epic amounts of damage just dosent have any useful ultra setups or any real "bullshit" like Ryu being able to Ultra you from a weak dragon.
It wasnt so bad for me as even in SF2 I've played Honda and as much as he isnt the beast he once was (wheres my invincible headbutt gone) he is still a good choice.
The one thing that annoys me about SF4 is the priority of Weak Punch. Knock you out of throw? WHAT? Come on Capcom
You said it all in the comment, I -know- its not a proper combo but its an essential tool that Hondas got which you should be using to mix up your wake up game.
I wanted to make a video showing some basic ideas with some of the lesser known flashier Honda stuff, the one video everyone who's ever looked online for Honda videos is that sodding combo. I just wanted to show something different, thanks for the comment though, when I eventually re-do this I will add a couple in there.
Depending on the range you're at, MK or HK will both work, I can't remember if the timing is stricter on MK so, yeah just give it a try.
I have juggled the Super outside the corner before -- However the timing of juggling the Super and Ultra is quite a bit different, so I woulnd't have thought it would work anywhere but the corner but who knows. Let me know if you do manage to do it out of the corner :D.
Im thinking of using Honda...i started using him yesterday and was pretty happy with the results
mynameisvirdal 5 months ago
CCC-COMBO BRAKER
misterfishbot 6 months ago
nice, legal combos, no infinites
dapithapon 1 year ago
i know this is old but i swear 90% of comments here are laughable
gomezfx 1 year ago
E.honda's painful combos with guile's kickass theme! what more can you ask for! :P
MrSilentPunches 1 year ago
No hands ~ hands xx super?
sidechainthreats 1 year ago
Good Video, My main is Honda :P
MarklarRavencrest 1 year ago
people gotta keep in mind honda is low on tier because of his chances of setting up combo in ultra other than that he could be dangerous and for real sf plaers tier list shouldnt matter because its not the character its the layer a really god dan player can deafet a decent sagat and thats the truth
yungS12 1 year ago
honda's the sh1t. good vid + combos.
forfancy 1 year ago
I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO feel what you say about Lowtier chars like honda.
Like you're combos maign, but i tried to play honda but when i started playing real goed ppl, i couldn't realy take ppl down with him so i switched to Ryu ( with the pain in my heart ). Love youre vid, keep ya good work up. peaceee
Alleswatikdropislauw 2 years ago
@Alleswatikdropislauw
You need to go off in to the mountains, learn a couple of Hondas high fuckery combo's and all those idiotic Sagat players will be falling at your feet.
Panesthesia 2 years ago
@Panesthesia falling at your feet until realieze they can mash out a DP fadc, runkick/ultra for 700 damage ;D
ps what's the song? i know the character theme but whats this one specifically? its good :) and good combos btw hehe :D
femtau 2 years ago
@femtau
Falling at my feet because I realise they can do that and do whatever it takes to not let it come into play. Keep yourself on the ground, block the fireballs and use the sumo splash to get yourself in. In SF4 you need to get "in" to somebody roughy 3 times per round with Honda, if you take enough damage you can get it down to 2. More than enough for Sagat fuckery.
Panesthesia 1 year ago
@Alleswatikdropislauw So you're saying you're just a pussass.
sidechainthreats 2 years ago
Well this is what it is. With low tier characters or characters like this you have to do less work. With Abel and Ryu and those characters they have strings and combos and cancels that you have to learn. With Honda he is a poke character with simple combos. So the problem is this, he is easier to use but also more predictable. Oh and Ryu vs Abel matchup is tough on the player. Learn the players patterns. I found rolling short and jumping in with medium kick mixes up people
drew02k 1 year ago
@drew02k
You don't understand what the tier system is. Two players of totally equel skill play each other, one plays Sagat the other plays Honda. Sagat will win 7 out of 10 games, not because the Sagat player is any better, but because the character is better. RIght, now we have that established, Honda has SEVERAL problems, 1) Rubbish Ultra, 2) Rubbish Headbut (Unless EX), 3) Rubbish Splash (Unless EX), 4) Can't combo off of Jab to throw escape 5) Can't combo easily into Ultra.
Panesthesia 1 year ago
@Panesthesia You really dont know honda too well then, his headbutt is a great AA, along with his ex version as well, true honda doesnt have a really useful setup for ultra, but in all honesty he doesnt really need it.. he can easily combo his super from a good HHS set up, also the fact that honda takes a lot of damage, and he puts out a lot of damage as well. Also Honda is an amazing defensive character, and he also has the tools to put on amazing pressure tools such as jab to hhs.
MrSlappySlaps 1 year ago
@drew02k
"You have to do less work" Honda can't go through fireballs, you have to avoid/absorb all of them. As Ryu or any other fireball character you can simply throw one back. Is that less work? No. End of argument.
Honda is a lot better is Super Street Fighter 4, a brand new video is coming soon!
Panesthesia 1 year ago 5
Good stuff! E. Honda is my main :)
TortoiseGiant 2 years ago
Why don't people ever consider how hard this game was to make? The story, music, and graphics were pretty easy to make and they already knew the character designs, plus, the game isn't even that balanced, I mean, it's not 3rd Strike but still. No work was put into this game and then a bunch of people who think they know shit about fighting games waltz in and suck this game's dick. Just fucking great, first music is ruined for me because of Soulja Boy, now 2D fighters. What's next?
Siberianhusky89 2 years ago
I can't really decipher what you're getting at as such, however I will respond with Street Fighter 4 is Capcoms first 3D fighting game, as much as the game is played in 2D the models, stages and effects are all in 3D. Capcom had nothing to fall back on in terms of creating the Street Fighter experience in 3D (Other than the SFEX series which was developed by Akira not Capcom). As much as SF4 ISNT balanced, its still a lot of fun, which is what games should be no?
Panesthesia 2 years ago
Hm... Wow XD I'm actually impressed by your behavior. You're much more calm and such. Anyhow, you are correct, a game should be fun. The thing is though, I'm more of a hardcore fighting game fan and am just really disappointed in this game. Personally, I feel the only reason for it's popularity is because it's Street Fighter. Also, it's not worth learning the lower tier characters either cause they take too much work compared to Ryu or Sagat who just do 3 combos to reverse the match.
Siberianhusky89 2 years ago
Coming from experience (I am a Honda player, C tier at best in SF4) I understand where you're coming from in terms of the games balance. It is irritating being beaten simply because your opponents charachter is of a higher tier but, on the other side of that its amazingly satisfying beating a Sagat or Ryu player in SF4, as it shows you are -that- much better than your opponent, who has to resort to using the most powerful charachters in the game .... and still looses. Simply priceless.
Panesthesia 2 years ago
Yeah, I get you. I actually (for some stupid reason) have an easy time using low tier characters. I beat a "high level" Sagat. Whooped his ass, however, as satisfying as it is, I don't enjoy playing Abel anymore because I can beat an Abel player who's been playing longer than me, but can't beat Ryu because all he needs to do unpunishable combos and pressures. It's not just even Abel, if I choose Ryu, I win, if I choose Balrog, win, Blanka, win, if I play Gen, I did more work for nothing.
Siberianhusky89 2 years ago
To be honest Honda is a decent choice for a lower tier charachter, he takes epic amounts of damage just dosent have any useful ultra setups or any real "bullshit" like Ryu being able to Ultra you from a weak dragon.
It wasnt so bad for me as even in SF2 I've played Honda and as much as he isnt the beast he once was (wheres my invincible headbutt gone) he is still a good choice.
The one thing that annoys me about SF4 is the priority of Weak Punch. Knock you out of throw? WHAT? Come on Capcom
Panesthesia 2 years ago
Wait a second you can't combo into command throws because they will whiff. But those are some basic mixups. Then again I don't play Honda so meh...
KoolaidsBack 2 years ago
You said it all in the comment, I -know- its not a proper combo but its an essential tool that Hondas got which you should be using to mix up your wake up game.
Panesthesia 2 years ago
Needs more hands into hands.
flushes 2 years ago
I wanted to make a video showing some basic ideas with some of the lesser known flashier Honda stuff, the one video everyone who's ever looked online for Honda videos is that sodding combo. I just wanted to show something different, thanks for the comment though, when I eventually re-do this I will add a couple in there.
Panesthesia 2 years ago
Good vid.
realbodizzle 2 years ago
damn.that was awesome. especially the smash in2 da ultra
MrAgentorange82 2 years ago
nice vids
Dellenyum 2 years ago
5 stars
lyncher88 2 years ago
Thanks :),
Panesthesia 2 years ago
thats some basic shit right there!!!!
jewelman 2 years ago
Basic character, basic combos. Not quite the beast he once was but, anyone without projectiles he will give a damn good game.
SEHaloUK 2 years ago
it definately works mid screen, just the positioning is so specific the opportunity rarely presents itself. Still, nice to know though...
buttershex 2 years ago
Great video man, just wondering if the juggle into ultra works only in the corner or anywear? and which kick did use? L, M or H? thanks
Flux289 2 years ago
Depending on the range you're at, MK or HK will both work, I can't remember if the timing is stricter on MK so, yeah just give it a try.
I have juggled the Super outside the corner before -- However the timing of juggling the Super and Ultra is quite a bit different, so I woulnd't have thought it would work anywhere but the corner but who knows. Let me know if you do manage to do it out of the corner :D.
Panesthesia 2 years ago