Debate - Rabbi Meir Kahane vs. Prof. Alan Dershowitz, 4/4

[ShishirYerramilli]

Nobody,I mean NOBODY has an answer when Kahane points out the naked fact that Arabs have 22 countries and Jews have onlyone and what type of country constantly gives up

land after repeateadly winning wars?

[RadicalMonotheist]

Dershowitz thought it was okay to deal with Arafat the mass murdering pedophile because Hasbash would have been worse? What a joke! You dont DEAL with any PLO or now, PA leader. All of their dealings are hudna...a fake peace...unitl they are strong enough to attack. Which is why Hizbollah now has 40,000 plus missiles ready to go. Kahane is being proved RIGHT everyday. H"YD

[oc00011]

@RadicalMonotheist i respectfully disagree. u hav 2 get the best results out of evry situation. Dialogue, even with scum like PA politicians, is absolutely essential. this word, dialogue, is a very broad thing. it cud be "continue firing rockets at sderot & we guarantee u'll suffer for it". or "accept the need for a jewish state, israel, & a peaceful coexistence with our peoples, & we will strengthen ur people's standard of living, a thousand-fold, &we cud benefit from u too".

[ChiTownIsaac55]

Watching this again, Dershowitz speaks for so long yet says so little. Each of Kahane's words has deeper meaning, Dershowitz just filibusters.

[ChiTownIsaac55]

Is this piece of trash Dershowitz the one that started the "Apartheid" lie? Either way, he is a disgrace to his parents, granparents, ancestors and all of Judaism. This despicable self-hating Jew(he may say otherwise but anyone with his views would not mind Arabs taking over Israel) will be dealt with by Ha-Shem when the time comes.

[cm22100]

kahane had it straight; you dont compromise with arabs

[steute2011]

@cm22100 He sounds just like Hitler to me..The superior peoples!!!

[maleirikud]

11:08 Black Jewish Seder? WTF?

[MrGeorgedubya]

Spasiba yamaninetsi ...

Kahane was the only one with answers , simply saying "i dont know" doesnt accomplish anything , every 4 years you get a new leader who says "i dont know" and every 4 years you move in another direction

kahane tzadak ! Shalom

[iisnstein]

This debate took place in 1985. To most Jews Kahane looked like a wingnut .

How does he look now ?

[grad22006]

@iisnstein Dead

[ZionistWorldOrder]

GOYIM OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

[xanderkhaan]

@ziv2 if arabs can more to other countries ? whats an arab someone who speaks arbic ? well america and russia is run by jews jews should go there ie america ? yeah u dont like that do u ? pals r semites decendents of canaan many jews r ashkanazis from the steps of russia and they r oringinally kysos or hysos kings from asia

SEE KING DAVID HOTEL OPERATION SUSANAH USS LIBERY

check and mate

[mishima1974]

Your English is utterly incoherant. What's your first language?

[TallBrooklynGuy]

once again at 21:05 hes right.

the african union and post apartheid government is vehemently anti israel blatantly anti semetic.

while dershowitz seemed more concerned about blacks, it was kahane that was concerned about jews.

so much truth came out of this debate.

thank you for posting this.

[herc32]

I don't know if you ever read "A Case for Israel"--I only read sections of it, it was too far to the left for me--but you'll laugh when you note that Dershowitz says, "giving land to the Arabs won't bring any peace, but I think we should do it anyway." Talk about a complete disconnect from reality.

[TallBrooklynGuy]

the only negotiations they want is israel destroyed. learn about the middle east and arab society before you make totally ignorant statements and ideas.

[TallBrooklynGuy]

comon dershowitz...compromise with arabs.....look at how that turned out?

there is no "peace" with arabs. all they want is "piece" maybe thats what you meant. the whole piece of israel and the jews dead. how many years and dead bodies later will it take you to figure that out?

dershowitz identifies with arabs like they are on his intellectual and civilized level. well they arent.

[YamaniNetsi]

I like your comments!

[poyani]

"dershowitz identifies with arabs like they are on his intellectual and civilized level. well they arent."

Change "dershowitz" to a German name and "Arabs" to "Jews" and you got yourself a classic Nazi one-liner.

The only thing that separates you from Hitler is the choice of your victim. On an intellectual, moral or ideological level, you are no better!

[YamaniNetsi]

poyani, you are not in a position of judging anyone's intellect since you are an intellectual midget yourself. Right Wingers have nothing to do with hitlerism as it is a left wing philosophy. Read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg to understand the roots of your own lunacy.

[poyani]

Nazism (or Hitlerism as you call it) is a left wing economic ideology tied with extreme right wing social policies (i.e. xenophobia, jingoism, etc etc).

Economically, Hitler was what you may call left. But when it came to things like war, immigration, minority rights, civil rights, etc he was extreme right. It was Hitler's extreme right social views which lead to genocide, not his economic left views.

[poyani]

For decades the right has been trying to remove the stench of Hitler's rightwing social policies while trying to replicate and revive some of them.

Take war for example. The right (and especially extreme-Zioinists) hate the fact that Nazis were executed for the crime of "aggression". The right like to commit "aggression" and other war-crimes, but hate being reminded that they are committing the same crime as the Nazis.

Hence the Goldberg argument "Hitler is a lefty".

[TallBrooklynGuy]

re: "The only thing that separates you from Hitler is the choice of your victim. On an intellectual, moral or ideological level, you are no better!"

I agree. the grand mufti al husseini's choice was to wipe the jews out and kill them like dogs in the streets. he was no different than hitler. good point.

[poyani]

The Grand Mufti was a douche. So what? Israel today trades with Germany. There is no talk of revenge against Germany.

If Israel today does not blame the Germans for Hitler, then what is the logic of blaming Palestinians for the Grand Mufti (who was a nobody anyways).

This Grand Mufti argument is so bankrupt. The Jewish group Lehi was also pro-Nazi , but there are towns and stamps issued to honour their leader (Stern) and one of Lehi's leaders was elected the PM of Israel in the past.

[TallBrooklynGuy]

re: "Change "dershowitz" to a German name and "Arabs" to "Jews" and you got yourself a classic Nazi one-liner."

jewish victims of sderot from being hit with nazi tactics of arabs firing rockets on them in their land is a classic one liner. i dont see any other one liner in this context.

it seems to anger you that jews are breathing. that has hitlerism written al over it.

[poyani]

Jewish victims of sderot are being hit by the Jewish tactics of the uprising at the Warsaw Ghetto. When Jews were victimized by the Nazis, some among them fought back. Same is true of the Paletsinians.

It doesn't bother me at all that "jews are breathing". Does the fact that Jews like Chomsky, Avnery, Finkelstein, Shlaim, Pappe, Gordan, etc are breathing?

They are the best the world has to offer and they happen to be Jewish. Yet extremists like Kahane wanted them dead!

[TallBrooklynGuy]

what bothers you is they're breathing in israel. when are you going to get it through your thick skull that israel is not arab land? when are you going to get it that there is no such thing as "Palestinians"? Palestinians are a myth.

the arabs living in israel are mostly from jordan. they have no business in israel. let them go back. i'm sure king hussein will take good care of his people.

[poyani]

I have no problem with Jewish people living in Israel. Don't make stuff up!

What I have a problem with is racially motivated lynching, theft and murder, which is becoming synonymous with the "settler" movement and the military industrial establishment that aid and abets them.

It is racist criminal behaviour and those who support it should be ashamed of themselves, for supporting and backing racism.

[Hiuf425ff3425]

Was Jesus a 'settler'? HE lived in the 'west bank (Judea) in Bet Lechem, and he was a Jew! The invaders are the NON Jews!

[TallBrooklynGuy]

Dont waste your time with poyani. hes busy living in his mothers basement masturbating to naked pictures of hitler and the grand mufti.

[SIONISME1]

@TallBrooklynGuy yes we know the jews kings of Porn industry......

[TallBrooklynGuy]

lol! really? " lynching, theft and murder" I guess you see things the opposite as they are. the citizens committing suicide bombing killing and maiming innocent men women and children are you arabs. I agree. the settler movement has to stop. arabs illegally occupying israeli land is causing alot of violence committed by them. they have to return home to jordan at once. then they can set up their "palestinian state"

[poyani]

There is as much a Palestinian people as there is a Jewish people. People tend to form in national groups through suffering and oppression. The notion of the "Jewish People" and the notion of the "Palestinian People" are effectively brothers born of the same father.

What I find amazing is that you claimed that "what bothers (me) is (Jews) breathing in israel" when I named 4 Israelis in the names of Jews I wrote to you. Avnery, Pappe, Shlaim and Gordan are all Israelis. So are Hass and Levy.

[mangojuice7]

@TallBrooklynGuy

So Israel is not Arab land, and the Palestinians are a myth. I guess when Ben-Gurion said "We have taken their country" he was talking about unicorns in Candyland?

Chaaarrrrliiiieeeee

[TallBrooklynGuy]

@mangojuice

So the jews have no right to live anywhere. hmmmmm...that sounds familiar. I guess when you arabs stole land from a million middle eastern mizrachi jews and expelled them they also have a right to invade israel, call themselves "palestinians" and drive the middle eastern jews out of israel too?

oh wait..i hear your leader calling you from hell....

Hhhhhheeeeeeeeiillllllllll

[mangojuice7]

@TallBrooklynGuy

Jews have a right to live anywhere, just not on someone else's land. I have a right to drive a car, but not someone else's car. It's simple, really.

Your "Heil" was the predictable fallback position of clueless Zionists everywhere - suggest that anyone who criticises Israel must by definition be a Nazi.

Kaufman, Chomsky, Finklestein, Mandela, Gandhi, Tutu - all Nazis... the self-delusion of Zionists never ceases to amaze me.

[ziv2]

You forgot who was the initiator of the violence...

I think you have a selective memory.

[poyani]

Fair enough! You are right! There is a difference between Kahane and Hitler. But their ideologies are very similar.

The difference is only in their victims and their success in implementing their ideologies. But I agree with you fully that Kahane was no Hitler. He was never that successful in carrying out his murderous vision.

[ziv2]

Make homework, because it is wrong comparison.

The Arabs can be Jews.

The Arabs can get civilian rights.

The Arabs can immigrate to 22 other Muslim nations.

The land of Israel has to be in Jewish orientation, not because we want it, but because that what will be eventually after world war 3 or 4.

Hopefully it will be with as less death as possible.

[doczg88]

@TallBrooklynGuy very good argument...but this is the most common human problem...we all see the world from our own perspective...the perspective of dershowitz is so different from the palestinians so he can't comprehend that they want the jews in the sea instead of peace...the problem with liberals is that they all live in fantasy land that has nothing in common with the real world...

[cheebacheeba]

he was right once more with regards to south africas, look at the Israel bashers it has spat at us

[victorsblock]

Dershowitz, a douche.

[gurufabbes]

Kahane was absolutely right on the subject of South Africa.

[simminger]

You rebuke my spelling of a heretics name and call me a, "swine" again. But you still have yet to muster up a cogent defense on your false claim to Israel or list a single thing thing from your piece of Babylonian trash or from my Holy Torah. You shouldn't even claim to be the counterfeit that you are. Most Khazars I have spoken with are much more learned and articulate than yourself. I guess you cling to your false superiority to strong and your intellect has suffered. You are not an Israelite.

[simminger]

Have you read Mishna or Talmud? Well what is your take on Momonodees promotion of Rabbinical pedefelia? The Talmud states; Just as a finger repeatedly gouges the eye, tears return time and time again. The same is for penetration of a young girl, for virginity repeatedly returns to her. This is barbaric not Holy. And when Ha Messchiac returns an answer will be required of you and your Rabbis as to why you left the law of Mosses and indulged in the laws of carnality. But you're not of a tribe.

[YamaniNetsi]

Who are Momonodees?! You've never read Talmid you swine, otherwise you would know what the great Maimonides actually did write.

[MobyTurbo]

Yes, this is discussed in Yevamos, and Kedushin, which deal with marriage. This is referring to the eligibility a woman to marry a Kohen Godol (high priest), who must marry a virgin, according to the Torah. That is all this passage is concerned with, not if the child is raped, but if a two year old with a hymen that grew back is a virgin for purposes of marriage in this instance, an issue dealt with briefly in these comprehensive works. Read the context, if you know how to read.

[simminger]

Actually I have read, Talmud and much from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I'm guessing you claim Ashkenazi Jewish heritage. And you think you have claim to Israel from the promises Hashem YHVH gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. This is the biggest scam born from your Holocaust... Giving nomadic Khazars the right to return to a land, THEY NEVER LEFT. Read up Shylock and learn a few things before you start ignorantly ranting and resorting to childish insults because you have no knowledge to share.

[simminger]

Wow, you bring a coherent and tempered argument to the discussion. When faced with scripture from Torah and documented world history you do what so many the tribe Judah so often do. You yell "bigot" and cite the Babylonian Talmud! You flaunt your heresy toward HASHEM every time you look at that piece of trash you call a HOLY book. Kahane understood what book was given at Zion, Torah, the word from YHVH. Not Talmud given by men. TRADITION over obedience right? Keep that up. Your sin is damning.

[YamaniNetsi]

yeah, like you've ever even seen Talmud!

[persiangulf7]

Look in the mirror, do you have big lips and wide nostrils of African descent? Do you have thick enscalped hair? Do you have round eyes? You are not an Semite. Genetically, modern Jews belong to Eastern Europe, and the Caspian Region. The big nose is not even Semite, the big nose belongs to the northern mountain lines of the Middle East. Most Arabs are not even Semites. There are few semites left, most of them in the south of the Arabian peninsula.

[YamaniNetsi]

leave islam now!

[persiangulf7]

The term "Anti-Semitism" is wrong in all logical angles and whats worst, the term is racist. Are you implying racism against a Jew is different to racism against all other human beings? Get back and live like the rest of us and appreciate the term "racism" for you are nothing special to be granted a whole new term that is special to just Jews.

[persiangulf7]

"Racism" or "Prejudism" will do you just fine, learn to use it otherwise we will have to make special terms for all kinds of racism, anti-semitism, anti-islamism, anti-blackism, anti-aryanism, anti-chineseism, anti-americanism. You see the problem now? Thats why we all stuck with "racism" except your group.

[simminger]

Holocaust is a Yiddish word that refers to the sacrafice of a child to the pagan G-d Molech. Spoke of often in the Books of Moses and by subsequent prophets. The events were horrific but grossly overstated. 6 million? Now that's crazy and indeed bearing false witness.

[YamaniNetsi]

simminger, you are an anti-Semitic swine who is going to teach us Hebrew and Yiddish and tell us about Talmud. What are vile beast you are.

[persiangulf7]

Is that all you can do, call a man who has valid points a swine?

[simminger]

I find it to be at least curious, that Kahane and other Orthodox Judahns understand and practice Torah but are ignorant to the teachings of their prophets, specifically the teaching of the coming of their Messchiac. (Dueteronomy 28)Not once but two times. First to bring attonement for sin and then to judge and reign.

[ARNOLDdoublenegger]

word

[opgyu649er]

Sam, Kahane already said in this very debate that he would not impose religion on anyone. In his words it went something along "Democracy for Jews"

[MGE19]

the jewish nation will either experience peace and serenity as THE JEWISH PEOPLE (yes, that equalas theocracy), or experience an endless process of retribution and war as a "morally correct democracy". !!!!כהנא צדק!!!!

[MGE19]

would be and should be. democracy is what is necissary only when there is no absolute truth. but if an entire nation accepted EVERY MAN ON HIMSELF the burden of true judaism (4 example, abstaining from commiting adultry even with the full knowladge that no one will ever know) - that is true judaism, and that is my hope for israel, GOD's chosen people.

[jocroc90]

miles?! you want to debate miles?

the few miles of land that were given back to the palestinians resulted in what? thats right- the continual bombing of sderot- b/c the quassam missles can now reach it!

[redcollargedeon]

I think it's odd that Kahane was so right while trusting the Torah, and yet he was called racist.

If someone comes to slay you, slay them first.

Sometimes, it is simple.

[Zvulun]

Rabbi Kahane was a real giant.

[mangojuice7]

He was a racist arsehole.

[mishima1974]

You mean Dershowitz?

[the654jew]

lol Alan Dershowitz looks like Leon Trotsky

[extracurricular99]

I feel so proud when I see this kind of debate. Debate and discussion is needed so badly in this world. Bringing all the ideas to the table and passionately and respectfully listening to each side.

[ezbesh]

I am not particularly religious myself. But listening to Dershowitz's speech on secular humanism makes me sick. Rabbi Kahane was a real prophet of our times. A clear, objective, precise view of the future of Israel and the Jewish world. Makes one question: Why that man was taken away from us? WHY?!

[anyusmoon1]

Civil disobedience is not a last resort. The very phrase 'A last resort' defies the term 'last'; THE last resort is the correct phrase and it means death, WAR. Dershowitz, as a secular humanist, is NOT a jew, is NOT a true American, he is a socialist (not quite communist). I have no respect for Dershowitz arguments in this prt 4 conclusion. I find it cheap of him to use this time to grand-stand the unrelated pet-project of Apparthied.

[BulldogJew]

Rabbi Kahane ZT"L HY"D, the greatest leader of our generation! His ideas are genuine Torah Judaism and will prevail, G-d willing. Am Israel Chai! Od Kahane Chai!

[steverubellreborn]

yeah great nazi.

[tinderbox1]

Every time I watch this I get tears in my eyes knowing who we lost. Kahane was the last hope for Israel's survival. A man who knew exactly what needed to be done decades before most Jews started to see the truth. As seen by the current Israeli leadership, the situation remains dire. Kahane Tzadak!!

[dawntreader3]

Kahane just kicks Dershowiz's rear end up one side and down the other in this debate!

[jackisback1967]

thanks for posting! i like Dershowitz a lot, and i don't agree with a lot of what Kahane says, does, and represents, but it's clear that he understands the Arab masses, and is realistic about it.

[18bites]

Kahane's plan sounds a lot like Lebensraum.

[Spookwillie]

Dershowitz was upset that there were no negros at the Soviet Jewery rallies. Maybe if he laid off the Thorazine that wouldn't be so disheartening!!

[anyusmoon1]

Thorazine, is this sarcasm or true? Is he ill?

[tinderbox1]

Kahane has been taken from us by an Arab bullet, and all we are left with are the Dershowitzes...very sad.

[YamaniNetsi]

Couldn't agree more!

[persiangulf7]

Lol, If you research his assasination, as much as I have, you would realize, it was more of an purchased Arab bullet, than a Arab deed. He was killed with the same money that has built Israel.

[powersheva]

good debate, i have respect for Alan Dershowitz, even if i dont agree with him

thanks for posting it!

[anyusmoon1]

Hello- I am not all that familiar with Dershowitz but from what I hear thus far in this (1 thru 4) series he is a New World Order, Ivy League, Socialist. Can't stand it, I really can't. He is so off base with American values its hard to believe he can call himself an American. Democracy is NOT the form of govn't of the US, we have a constitutional republic, I repeat NOT a democracy.

[persiangulf7]

Dershowitz is an outward Jew, inward Babylon lover.

[anyusmoon1]

??? Babylon lover ???

I don't know what this means.

[persiangulf7]

Well if you don't know, its best not to go there. But in short, he misses the Babylon before the return of the Jews to Israel.

[urthogie]

agreed, thanks for posting

[thestarlightknight]

Thanks for posting this series. It was very interesting.