"Most will be lost" = "There is no better news?" God is merciful = Eternal suffering? "Great news everyone!! Most will be lost and suffer alive in hell for eternity!!" Starting to see the confusion here? 2+2 cannot ever = 5. Simple math exposes who anti Christ is and you will defend him as predicted by the prophets.
Amen to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to not only to believe in his sacrifice to be saved, but to believe in his words & ways, that they are God's ways for us. So we may stay saved & live the life that God wants us to live.
The "better news" l'd like to hear is : The creators of Christianity, the Catholic Church / Vatican has sold all that they own and given the billions of dollars to the poor, and then disbanded, because they admit they have been hypocrites all along .
@theocratickingdom30 Of course you would ASSume that anyone who is critical of the blatant hypocrisy of the "Church" is an atheist, because it's much easier on the brain to live in only a "black and white world", right ?
My comment makes perfect sense, if one actually follows the teachings of the Jesus character .
@00AngelDog00: I said "if" you were an atheist which is a logical assumption considering they are the ones which troll Christian videos making similar comments. And you are more ignorant than I knew. Historic Christianity and Roman Catholicism have entirely different theologies. Also, you apparently cannot differentiate between Christ's bride, the true church, and the apostate church which of course is hypocritical. Read Revelation 2-3.
@theocratickingdom30 lt would be comical, were it not so pathetic, that "Christians" constantly attempt to separate themselves from the very ones that compiled and corrupted the ancient mythology and fabricated it into the religious cultism they hold so dear . And yes, l am quite aware of "Historic Christianity", which is why any criticism of it is actually not an attack, but a defense, to their perverted onslaught against humanity's mind, body and soul .
@00AngelDog00: You've made 3 posts and have yet to make any kind of argument. You say you are well aware of hisroric Christianity but have yet to actually show it. The myth theory has already been rebutted decades ago. It is an old argument. See the Jame White v. Dan Barker debate on youtube. To actually make the myth argument actually defies everything we know about 2nd temple Judaism and the area around Jerusalem at this time. There were strict monotheists who attend temple every day.
@00AngelDog00: (Continued)...And even after Christ's death continued to do so every where they went. And you can;t even pinpoint which myth but probably have them borrowing from various myths which all contradict each other. It is illogical and absurd. But the unregenerate mind will always suppress the truth of God unless God Himself has mercy upon that individual. If you don't want to believe Christianity then that's fine. But don't give the stupid myth argument.
@theocratickingdom30 Yes, that is a familiar cowardly retreat, isn't it, appealing to some kind of special wisdom that must be bestowed upon you by God, to make sense of nonsense, whenever that position is questioned . lf that is the case, then l'm sure God can impart knowledge directly and there really is no use for a contradictory, hypocritical, and erroneous bible then, is there ?
@theocratickingdom30 And you've made five posts, and from where l stand, you've only voiced your opinion . lt's funny, as it seems you were the one that took offense to my original "tongue in cheek" comment . One would think that someone confident in their "faith" would have a better sense of humor .
@00AngelDog00: Continued...According to the teachings of Christ they would not disband but repent and turn from evil to him. They would actually come together in a community which is what the local church is. You know little of the Christian faith. You know so little you cannot tell what is biblical and what is historically heretical. You are more interested in attacking than genuine reflection. How sad.
For anyone who may be searching for a biblical understanding of the gospel and salvation, I would highly recommend checking out the scribd website that is listed on my channel.
Jesus never preached any other gospel but the gospel of His Kingdom.Kingdom kingdom kingdom look up the entire bible. He is not coming until the gospel of His kingdom is preached.
Dr. Myles Munroe - The Power Of Purpose (Part 10 of 18)
youtube.com/watch?v=wfWB--maM8A&feature=related
the church has been preaching the wrong gospel, we should preach into the world the gospel Jesus Christ preached. find out on the link above at your own risk as the speaker said. God bless.
This man is a liar and a deciever. The Gospel is the Kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 4:23), (Matthew 9:35), (Mark 1:14-15), (Luke 4:43), (Luke 8:1), (Luke 16:16-17) and (Matthew 24:14).
Christ only spoke about His death at the end of His ministry to His deciples. He Spoke about the Gospel openly to all who would hear. Beware of ministries that teach false teachings.
@SwordofManticorE so why is it that when Paul reminded the church in Corinth of the gospel that he delivered to them he focused on the substitutionary atonement, burial, and resurrection of Christ? Certainly you would not indicate that the gospel Jesus proclaimed was different from what Paul preached...? The Kingdom may very well be part of the gospel... but the ushering in of that kingdom occurs not as a result of anything WE do... but on what Christ has DONE already in history @ the cross.
@ryanthecalvinist The Gospel is not about the cross. The cross is about the Gospel of the Kingdom of heaven. You cannot have the Kingdom of God without the sacrifice, but it is not the sacrifice that Christ spoke about during His ministry to the curcumcised, it was The Kingdom of God. It is all a matter of putting it in proper order, and not to make it confusing to new believers like this man does on the video.
@SwordofManticorE Why did you not address my question? Specifically my inquiry concerning what Paul wrote in 1Cor 15:
"Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you - unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures..."
@SwordofManticorE (continued) "...that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve." 1 Corinthians 15:1-5. If it is, as you say, that the gospel isn't the cross but rather the Kingdom of God... why is it that Paul reminds this congregation of the gospel by talking about the cross, instead of the "kingdom of God"? I think you try too hard to separate the two. The kingdom centers around Christ's work.
@ryanthecalvinist So tell me why I should just set the Gospel that Christ taught to the jews aside as less significant to what Paul teaches and concede to your view or interpretation of scripture?
@SwordofManticorE "my interpretation of Scripture"??? Dude... I just quoted the scripture. Again I ask... is the gospel Jesus proclaimed different from the gospel proclaimed by Paul? And if the gospel is the kingdom of God, rather than the cross, why did Paul remind the church of the CROSS rather than the teaching of the kingdom of God? (that's my third time asking, btw. do you have an answer?)
@ryanthecalvinist Dude, I do not denie what Paul taught the gentiles was an important gospel, but the truth is that the true gospel that should be taught is the Gospel Chrtist taught. Gal 1:8-9 is Paul speaking about the Gospel given to the apostels from Christ. Not the gospel of salvationm or grace as this man piper preaches.
@SwordofManticorE Jesus was only offering the Kingdom to the Jews.That was the Gospel to Israel.They didnt know the Gospel of 1Cor 15 So that couldnt of been what they were Preaching Lk 18;31
The Kingdom was delayed.It did not come and is not here spiritually. Read Acts 15;16 and compare it w Amos 9. Read Hebrews 10;35,36 They did not do what they were suppose to do.Therefore the promise has been delayed. Read Rev 10;6 and notice that the Angel says "there will be no more delay"
@SwordofManticorE Notice right before then in Rev 7 that the Jews went out and Preached the Gospel. They finally did what God told them to do and the Kingdom finally comes.
Jesus used Paul to tell us what He wants us to know and He gave Paul the Gospel of Grace. Gal 1;11,12 and Acts 20;24
We are now in the Dispensation of GraceEph 3;2 it is different than the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Read Rev 21 very closely and tell me why there are two locations? Is that "Heaven" that is coming OUT OF Heaven?
The main problem seems to be in translation. The word gospel is not correct. The word should be evangel or evangelism and that is why we have evangelists. If the correct term were gospel then we would have gospelists....we don't.
And for a man to try and explain what the evangel is when he is ignorant of it's true meaning is laughable.
I would add that God comes into our hearts and life's and gives us the desire, willingness, and power to live life's pleasing to Him. I know Pastor Piper probably said this in the full version of his sermon.
@vico100 Please, my brother, do not dismiss the non-believers just because u hold the truth. Everyone deserves love and respect according to the gospel. And if you are not lovingly wining their heart, you are driving people away from God.
And this is a response to "How do we know that Christians are delusional" ? Well, by presenting no argument at all here, you just proved it that they are indeed delusional.
Makes perfect sense to me. Funnily, makes the same amount of sense as the triad of the FSM, (the spaghetti, the sauce and the Holy Parmesan) who ate himself to save us from eating him. Actually, thats kinda selfish. Why are all gods so selfish?
@DancingRabbit. REally? Based on something that did not actually happen? That is why there were eye wittness accounts of his death and resurrection. That is why Christ's disciples that wittnessed this were martyred for telling people about it. That is why the writters of the Gospels used women as the first wittnesses of the empty tomb when women were not trusted as wittnesses during their time. I wish you all the best!!
@waterplo12 Yes, really. The earliest documents we have to authenticate the gospels are mid 2nd century. Over a hundred years and several generations after the supposed events. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously suspect but we don't even have eyewitness accounts. Each of the gospels tells the empty tomb story differently as to who went, what order and exactly what they found. The gospels are not historical nonfiction.
@DancingRabbit52 The fact that the Gospel writers have differences in their accounts just proves that they were writing what they remembered or heard from other eyewitnesses, not that they got together to get their story straight before they pulled the hoax. The accounts were all written by first or second hand witnesses, placing the accounts within 50 years of the actual events. for more go to probe.org, and click on "reasons to believe."
@zzufiwik The gospel accounts differ materially on the most basic accounts such as the resurrection of Jesus: who got there first, how many got there, what did they find, what did they do next... The earliest supporting texts we have are from the mid 2nd century. We have no evidence other than faith that they were written within 50 years of the supposed events and no evidence that it was written by eyewitnesses.
@DancingRabbit52 But there is a lot of archeological evidence for the accuracy of the Gospels. For more information please go to probe.org, "archeology of the new testament" (too much to write here). As for the differences, I have not found any contradictions, only omissions of people at certain events, or the events themselves not being written in chronological order. For example, Matthew records to women visiting the tomb, while John only mentions Mary Magdalene....
@zzufiwik John simply did not feel the need to record the other Mary's presence. As for the sequence of events, the Gospel writers sometimes told events in certain order to make a point or show something that Jesus did that was similar in certain events.
@zzufiwik The archeological evidence shows that the Bible has a historical setting. The places and some of the major characters existed. I can't see how this is any different from a piece of well written historical fiction.
I do not believe that the NT was a hoax. I believe it was written in the same way that any other piece of folklore is written down from various oral sources.
@DancingRabbit52 Fair enough. In the Dead Sea Scroll Cave 7, a fragment of Mark dated at A.D. 50. The Rylands Papyri contains a fragment of John, and dates to A.D. 130. There were letters written by Clement of Rome, Ignatius (Bishop of Antioch), and Polycarp that quoted the Gospels and the NT letters, dated at A.D. 95, A.D. 115, and A.D. 120. It seems that the Gospels must have been written before these times. If that's true, eyewitnesses would have still been around when they were written.
@zzufiwik The Mark Fragment is only a couple words long. Ryland's is mid-2nd century as I said. Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp all rely on Papius as their authority. None of Papius' writings exist to be examined. Eusabius quotes him as believing several non-canonal parables of Jesus, reporting a gory non-canonal death of Judas, and basically calls him an idiot. The whole thing is an intellectual house of cards and fails to stand under examination.
@DancingRabbit52 Even still, the Ryland Papryus pushes the actual writing of John back into the first century, and since a vast majority of scholars agree that John was the last Gospel written out of the four, we can be sure that the other three were written in the first century as well. Thank you for the info on Papius though. And thank you for being open-minded enough to actually listen to what I have to say.
There's no reason to believe besides faith and the story is obviously ridiculous given what we know about the universe thus far, not to mention the contradictions all over the bible and through Christian ideology. Faith is not a good reason to believe something, I'm sorry to tell you.
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Hey, why don't you subscribe to the church of John Piper then? He's got all the answers to all your questions! He'll even sell you the books he's written on the subject at a discount knock-down rate (P+P included), heck he'll even sell those pesky shares you've got hanging around AND you can claim the tax back, sounds like a good deal to me.
Or
You could just get on with your life and stop worrying about fairy tales, imaginary friends, invisible sky men and self sacrificing god sacrificers.
BEST NEWS EVER!!! Rejecting Jesus is even crazier than rejecting a winning lottery ticket :)
mrsjaydie 1 month ago
should the gospel be preached with power (signs and wonders) or *is* the gospel the power of God?
TheB1nary 4 months ago
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disccentury 5 months ago
"Most will be lost" = "There is no better news?" God is merciful = Eternal suffering? "Great news everyone!! Most will be lost and suffer alive in hell for eternity!!" Starting to see the confusion here? 2+2 cannot ever = 5. Simple math exposes who anti Christ is and you will defend him as predicted by the prophets.
LambAndTheDragon 6 months ago
Amen to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is to not only to believe in his sacrifice to be saved, but to believe in his words & ways, that they are God's ways for us. So we may stay saved & live the life that God wants us to live.
ooJesusiscomingoo 6 months ago
@ooJesusiscomingoo "What if some did not believe? Shall their unbelief remove the faith of God from the equation?" Romans 3:3
LambAndTheDragon 6 months ago
Respond to this video... The church is teaching that Zero faith in the power of God = Faith. "Most will be lost" = Faith? 2+2 cannot ever = 5
LambAndTheDragon 6 months ago
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Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
DIVINESOTERIOLOGY 6 months ago
The "better news" l'd like to hear is : The creators of Christianity, the Catholic Church / Vatican has sold all that they own and given the billions of dollars to the poor, and then disbanded, because they admit they have been hypocrites all along .
00AngelDog00 10 months ago
@00AngelDog00: If you are an atheist then what you just said makes no sense at all but is in itself completely self-contradictory.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
@theocratickingdom30 Of course you would ASSume that anyone who is critical of the blatant hypocrisy of the "Church" is an atheist, because it's much easier on the brain to live in only a "black and white world", right ?
My comment makes perfect sense, if one actually follows the teachings of the Jesus character .
00AngelDog00 7 months ago
@00AngelDog00: I said "if" you were an atheist which is a logical assumption considering they are the ones which troll Christian videos making similar comments. And you are more ignorant than I knew. Historic Christianity and Roman Catholicism have entirely different theologies. Also, you apparently cannot differentiate between Christ's bride, the true church, and the apostate church which of course is hypocritical. Read Revelation 2-3.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
@theocratickingdom30 lt would be comical, were it not so pathetic, that "Christians" constantly attempt to separate themselves from the very ones that compiled and corrupted the ancient mythology and fabricated it into the religious cultism they hold so dear . And yes, l am quite aware of "Historic Christianity", which is why any criticism of it is actually not an attack, but a defense, to their perverted onslaught against humanity's mind, body and soul .
00AngelDog00 7 months ago
@00AngelDog00: You've made 3 posts and have yet to make any kind of argument. You say you are well aware of hisroric Christianity but have yet to actually show it. The myth theory has already been rebutted decades ago. It is an old argument. See the Jame White v. Dan Barker debate on youtube. To actually make the myth argument actually defies everything we know about 2nd temple Judaism and the area around Jerusalem at this time. There were strict monotheists who attend temple every day.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
@00AngelDog00: (Continued)...And even after Christ's death continued to do so every where they went. And you can;t even pinpoint which myth but probably have them borrowing from various myths which all contradict each other. It is illogical and absurd. But the unregenerate mind will always suppress the truth of God unless God Himself has mercy upon that individual. If you don't want to believe Christianity then that's fine. But don't give the stupid myth argument.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
@theocratickingdom30 Yes, that is a familiar cowardly retreat, isn't it, appealing to some kind of special wisdom that must be bestowed upon you by God, to make sense of nonsense, whenever that position is questioned . lf that is the case, then l'm sure God can impart knowledge directly and there really is no use for a contradictory, hypocritical, and erroneous bible then, is there ?
00AngelDog00 7 months ago
@00AngelDog00 errounous Bible?
Pyro7502 2 months ago
@theocratickingdom30 And you've made five posts, and from where l stand, you've only voiced your opinion . lt's funny, as it seems you were the one that took offense to my original "tongue in cheek" comment . One would think that someone confident in their "faith" would have a better sense of humor .
00AngelDog00 7 months ago
@00AngelDog00: Continued...According to the teachings of Christ they would not disband but repent and turn from evil to him. They would actually come together in a community which is what the local church is. You know little of the Christian faith. You know so little you cannot tell what is biblical and what is historically heretical. You are more interested in attacking than genuine reflection. How sad.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
For anyone who may be searching for a biblical understanding of the gospel and salvation, I would highly recommend checking out the scribd website that is listed on my channel.
DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
Jesus never preached any other gospel but the gospel of His Kingdom.Kingdom kingdom kingdom look up the entire bible. He is not coming until the gospel of His kingdom is preached.
Dr. Myles Munroe - The Power Of Purpose (Part 10 of 18)
youtube.com/watch?v=wfWB--maM8A&feature=related
the church has been preaching the wrong gospel, we should preach into the world the gospel Jesus Christ preached. find out on the link above at your own risk as the speaker said. God bless.
nisac03 1 year ago
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@nisac03: You deny this is the gospel?
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
This man is a liar and a deciever. The Gospel is the Kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 4:23), (Matthew 9:35), (Mark 1:14-15), (Luke 4:43), (Luke 8:1), (Luke 16:16-17) and (Matthew 24:14).
Christ only spoke about His death at the end of His ministry to His deciples. He Spoke about the Gospel openly to all who would hear. Beware of ministries that teach false teachings.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE so why is it that when Paul reminded the church in Corinth of the gospel that he delivered to them he focused on the substitutionary atonement, burial, and resurrection of Christ? Certainly you would not indicate that the gospel Jesus proclaimed was different from what Paul preached...? The Kingdom may very well be part of the gospel... but the ushering in of that kingdom occurs not as a result of anything WE do... but on what Christ has DONE already in history @ the cross.
ryanthecalvinist 1 year ago
@ryanthecalvinist The Gospel is not about the cross. The cross is about the Gospel of the Kingdom of heaven. You cannot have the Kingdom of God without the sacrifice, but it is not the sacrifice that Christ spoke about during His ministry to the curcumcised, it was The Kingdom of God. It is all a matter of putting it in proper order, and not to make it confusing to new believers like this man does on the video.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE Why did you not address my question? Specifically my inquiry concerning what Paul wrote in 1Cor 15:
"Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you - unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures..."
ryanthecalvinist 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE (continued) "...that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve." 1 Corinthians 15:1-5. If it is, as you say, that the gospel isn't the cross but rather the Kingdom of God... why is it that Paul reminds this congregation of the gospel by talking about the cross, instead of the "kingdom of God"? I think you try too hard to separate the two. The kingdom centers around Christ's work.
ryanthecalvinist 1 year ago
@ryanthecalvinist So tell me why I should just set the Gospel that Christ taught to the jews aside as less significant to what Paul teaches and concede to your view or interpretation of scripture?
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE "my interpretation of Scripture"??? Dude... I just quoted the scripture. Again I ask... is the gospel Jesus proclaimed different from the gospel proclaimed by Paul? And if the gospel is the kingdom of God, rather than the cross, why did Paul remind the church of the CROSS rather than the teaching of the kingdom of God? (that's my third time asking, btw. do you have an answer?)
ryanthecalvinist 1 year ago
@ryanthecalvinist Dude, I do not denie what Paul taught the gentiles was an important gospel, but the truth is that the true gospel that should be taught is the Gospel Chrtist taught. Gal 1:8-9 is Paul speaking about the Gospel given to the apostels from Christ. Not the gospel of salvationm or grace as this man piper preaches.
SwordofManticorE 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE Jesus was only offering the Kingdom to the Jews.That was the Gospel to Israel.They didnt know the Gospel of 1Cor 15 So that couldnt of been what they were Preaching Lk 18;31
The Kingdom was delayed.It did not come and is not here spiritually. Read Acts 15;16 and compare it w Amos 9. Read Hebrews 10;35,36 They did not do what they were suppose to do.Therefore the promise has been delayed. Read Rev 10;6 and notice that the Angel says "there will be no more delay"
cont...
hshambaugh 1 year ago
@SwordofManticorE Notice right before then in Rev 7 that the Jews went out and Preached the Gospel. They finally did what God told them to do and the Kingdom finally comes.
Jesus used Paul to tell us what He wants us to know and He gave Paul the Gospel of Grace. Gal 1;11,12 and Acts 20;24
We are now in the Dispensation of GraceEph 3;2 it is different than the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Read Rev 21 very closely and tell me why there are two locations? Is that "Heaven" that is coming OUT OF Heaven?
hshambaugh 1 year ago
scribd (dot) com/nb812
DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
The main problem seems to be in translation. The word gospel is not correct. The word should be evangel or evangelism and that is why we have evangelists. If the correct term were gospel then we would have gospelists....we don't.
And for a man to try and explain what the evangel is when he is ignorant of it's true meaning is laughable.
aTruster 1 year ago
@aTruster,
Gospel means "God's spell".
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
Great thing about Piper is you can get this message out of every sermon.
lukedee123 1 year ago
I would add that God comes into our hearts and life's and gives us the desire, willingness, and power to live life's pleasing to Him. I know Pastor Piper probably said this in the full version of his sermon.
MrGregoryduncanmclea 1 year ago
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God didn't send anyone. In fact if there is a god, which there isn't, he wouldn't care about anything here.
Christians should be locked away.
skyrabbit74 2 years ago
Its sad that you dont know him like i know him. I hope some day He calls to you and you come to know him.
Stoerm27 2 years ago
lol, typical bunch of atheist whining.
vico100 2 years ago 7
@vico100 Please, my brother, do not dismiss the non-believers just because u hold the truth. Everyone deserves love and respect according to the gospel. And if you are not lovingly wining their heart, you are driving people away from God.
wormite 1 year ago
because we have better things to do then watch videos of things we don't believe in and write hate comments on them.
great job guys! you're really influencing me to stop believing in God!
SwanSee 2 years ago
And this is a response to "How do we know that Christians are delusional" ? Well, by presenting no argument at all here, you just proved it that they are indeed delusional.
Szederp 3 years ago
"Absorbs all the wrath of god..."??? Uh, I thought Jesus WAS god! (you know; father, son, holy ghost = god)
Soooo, he sacrificed himself, to himself, in order to save us FROM himself???
Cool!
AcesLucky 3 years ago
There's God the father, God the son who is Jesus and the Holy spirit.
All men have sinned right from Adam and the wages of sin is death for nothing we can do can ever redeem ourselves.
Therefore God the father sent Jesus to be a perfect sacrifice to pay the price for our sin!
davidprince88 3 years ago 13
Right. He sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself.
Brilliant!
AcesLucky 3 years ago
Makes perfect sense to me. Funnily, makes the same amount of sense as the triad of the FSM, (the spaghetti, the sauce and the Holy Parmesan) who ate himself to save us from eating him. Actually, thats kinda selfish. Why are all gods so selfish?
spakattak 2 years ago
But absolutely none of this is based on anything that actually happened.
DancingRabbit52 3 years ago
@DancingRabbit. REally? Based on something that did not actually happen? That is why there were eye wittness accounts of his death and resurrection. That is why Christ's disciples that wittnessed this were martyred for telling people about it. That is why the writters of the Gospels used women as the first wittnesses of the empty tomb when women were not trusted as wittnesses during their time. I wish you all the best!!
waterplo12 2 years ago
@waterplo12 Yes, really. The earliest documents we have to authenticate the gospels are mid 2nd century. Over a hundred years and several generations after the supposed events. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously suspect but we don't even have eyewitness accounts. Each of the gospels tells the empty tomb story differently as to who went, what order and exactly what they found. The gospels are not historical nonfiction.
DancingRabbit52 2 years ago
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zzufiwik 1 year ago
@DancingRabbit52 The fact that the Gospel writers have differences in their accounts just proves that they were writing what they remembered or heard from other eyewitnesses, not that they got together to get their story straight before they pulled the hoax. The accounts were all written by first or second hand witnesses, placing the accounts within 50 years of the actual events. for more go to probe.org, and click on "reasons to believe."
zzufiwik 1 year ago
@zzufiwik The gospel accounts differ materially on the most basic accounts such as the resurrection of Jesus: who got there first, how many got there, what did they find, what did they do next... The earliest supporting texts we have are from the mid 2nd century. We have no evidence other than faith that they were written within 50 years of the supposed events and no evidence that it was written by eyewitnesses.
DancingRabbit52 1 year ago
@DancingRabbit52 But there is a lot of archeological evidence for the accuracy of the Gospels. For more information please go to probe.org, "archeology of the new testament" (too much to write here). As for the differences, I have not found any contradictions, only omissions of people at certain events, or the events themselves not being written in chronological order. For example, Matthew records to women visiting the tomb, while John only mentions Mary Magdalene....
zzufiwik 1 year ago
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zzufiwik 1 year ago
@zzufiwik John simply did not feel the need to record the other Mary's presence. As for the sequence of events, the Gospel writers sometimes told events in certain order to make a point or show something that Jesus did that was similar in certain events.
zzufiwik 1 year ago
@zzufiwik The archeological evidence shows that the Bible has a historical setting. The places and some of the major characters existed. I can't see how this is any different from a piece of well written historical fiction.
I do not believe that the NT was a hoax. I believe it was written in the same way that any other piece of folklore is written down from various oral sources.
DancingRabbit52 1 year ago
@DancingRabbit52 Fair enough. In the Dead Sea Scroll Cave 7, a fragment of Mark dated at A.D. 50. The Rylands Papyri contains a fragment of John, and dates to A.D. 130. There were letters written by Clement of Rome, Ignatius (Bishop of Antioch), and Polycarp that quoted the Gospels and the NT letters, dated at A.D. 95, A.D. 115, and A.D. 120. It seems that the Gospels must have been written before these times. If that's true, eyewitnesses would have still been around when they were written.
zzufiwik 1 year ago
@zzufiwik The Mark Fragment is only a couple words long. Ryland's is mid-2nd century as I said. Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp all rely on Papius as their authority. None of Papius' writings exist to be examined. Eusabius quotes him as believing several non-canonal parables of Jesus, reporting a gory non-canonal death of Judas, and basically calls him an idiot. The whole thing is an intellectual house of cards and fails to stand under examination.
DancingRabbit52 1 year ago
@DancingRabbit52 Even still, the Ryland Papryus pushes the actual writing of John back into the first century, and since a vast majority of scholars agree that John was the last Gospel written out of the four, we can be sure that the other three were written in the first century as well. Thank you for the info on Papius though. And thank you for being open-minded enough to actually listen to what I have to say.
zzufiwik 1 year ago
All you have to do to fix this video is change the last sentence to "What a bunch of bullshit.".
AdolescentAntiTheist 3 years ago
AdolescentAntiTheist. Quite an impressive response.
AnthonyRoth77 3 years ago 2
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but thanks.
AdolescentAntiTheist 3 years ago
Being sarcastic. Not trying to be mean though. Maybe should have put it differently. Sorry.
AnthonyRoth77 3 years ago
Haha, I don't care.
AdolescentAntiTheist 3 years ago
@Adolescents. Why do you think that?
waterplo12 2 years ago
There's no reason to believe besides faith and the story is obviously ridiculous given what we know about the universe thus far, not to mention the contradictions all over the bible and through Christian ideology. Faith is not a good reason to believe something, I'm sorry to tell you.
AdolescentAntiTheist 2 years ago
Thank you!
Succinct and to the Point!
(...Lord, I don't mean to sound Ungrateful HOWEVER...Am I the only one who wishes to have Clear Scriptural Gospel to quote verbatim? )
kkkkkkatherine 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Hey, why don't you subscribe to the church of John Piper then? He's got all the answers to all your questions! He'll even sell you the books he's written on the subject at a discount knock-down rate (P+P included), heck he'll even sell those pesky shares you've got hanging around AND you can claim the tax back, sounds like a good deal to me.
Or
You could just get on with your life and stop worrying about fairy tales, imaginary friends, invisible sky men and self sacrificing god sacrificers.
martinneilsmith 2 years ago