I've noticed this same effect when vacuum is applied. I thought it was due to the drop in pressure making the bubbles and action appear larger/more vigorous. I'll find a way to test cell output volume under vacuum and regular atmospheric pressure to see if there is a difference. If this makes electrolysis more productive, then how is that possible? Maybe atmospheric pressure hinders electrolysis somehow? I'll check into this. Great video by the way.
Try have like 2 feet of Air space above the water line, so it doesnt suck up bubbles and water into the system. Do a Video on it and see using trhe "SAME" plates if any differance or not? if so how?
This set up was made just to test the theory I posted showing the math of the energy calculations. Right now I am about to start my expirements on replicating the work of the late great Stanley Meyer, so stay tuned as it took me a few years to get it all figured out.
is there a way to do a hydrogen fuel cell on a car that runs on straight ethanol. i make my own ethanol for my car wanna put a hydrogen fuel cell in to make my crx more effeciant if possible
Yes, but you should read my other video of Meyer's first run with his car, as you will find a site to go to in the "more info" box where I explain how Stanley Meyer ran his car off of just plain water.
Don't worry about it, all that I was doing here was teaching myself the conservation of energy for the most part. For vacuum is energy and all I did was show that when a vacuum is applied energy in conserved thus the amps usage will decrease. So when using a PWM one can turn up the amp usage back to where it was before the vacuum was added and get more hho gases being produced. But the main problem will be a runaway boil off of the water in a Faraday type electrolizer due to lower boiling point
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That's done with a fuel cell created by Grove. But the way Stanley Meyer/Dr. Dingel used what is known as an "Electron Extraction Circuit," they both could create electricity by consuming the electrons.
I am still working on it, but I have posted all the science and math of how Stanley Meyer did what he did. Look in the "more info" section of this video: watch?v=Z5afwEcZ3Ok&feature=channel_page
The only thing I was doing in this set up was verifying the math I had done for the effects of vaccum on electrolysis.
Hello, great ob thank you for your teaching, how can you use 10 amps with out electrolyte? what kind of energy suply do you use? Thank you again Mr. h2opower.
In this video I am tied into the main vacuum line going to the brake booster. Every car is different it seems so do your research to make sure you stay safe.
Question? maybe some of those bubbles are steam from the boiling point of water being lowered... so your getting hho and steam when the vacuum start ... or you think its mostly hho?
This was done early in the morning, the cell is very cold, so yes it's all hho gas, plus there are not salts in this water and it is straigt rain water.
Super this is the opening i was looking for ... thanks again for the insight... i'm sure most people are missing this .... i will make a setup for myself and try it!
You have to generate an energy surplus when using the vacuum that is greater than what generating the vacuum draws otherwise it's just counterproductive.
Bill Williams ran his truck on water, I too want to do the same thing one day. But I am going the route Stanley Meyer, Dr. Dingel, and some others went.
In time I think I will get this all working right, but much testing remains as of right now. Just hope I can get things built in a timly manor, though funds are low right now.
No one knows what Daniel is doing exactly, electrolysis and maybe more. But Stan did not run(drive) his buggy on the electolysis that you are making. His last invention was a sparkplug/waterinjector/electrolysiscell, all rolled into one. It used the same current that is going to make the spark, to powered the cell. When the water was injected across the cell it was instantly turned to HHO from the power that is on its way to make the spark. Very complicated if you ask me.
This expirement was just to test a theory I had on vacuums effect on electrolysis. As for running a car sure this was not intended to do that. I have not put out any of my work on Dr. Dingel's type of work or for the most part Stanley Meyer's either. One day I hope to get it working right. I like the Geet reactor too, seems also a good way to go, keep up the great work and let me know how it turns out.
My next step is to make trail runs same as Stanley Meyer once I get everything set up.
This test here was just to show that vacuum does help the electrolysis process, as I did the math first and then set out to see if the math held up to expirementation, it did:).
"What universities do you know of trying to get this to work"
What universities do you know of that helped Tesla discover wireless electricity, the AC motor, and the brushless motor which was stated impossible by University ABC?
The vacuum seems to make a huge difference ....could you add more vacuum and let the bubbles go into the tube and then condense in a chamber and be fed back into the system?
The cell is hooked up to the main vacuum line of the car, thus the RPM controls the vacuum from 13.5-29mm Hg. Think of it as a supply and demand situation the more you demand the more hho you get.
the problem is that most cars, vacuum is highest at idle and deceleration. When HHO is needed most, cruising down the highway and accelerating, vacuum is lowest. The reason is that the butterfly being closed is what helps create vacuum, so when the butterfly is open there is no vacuum being created.
Hi, this cell is taking about 8-11 amps, and no it's seems too small too run the car, but I did try, lol. It has turned out to be a great gas saver nothing more. But I built it just too test a theory I had on vacuum and electrolysis, and it worked just as predicted :)
What I find a lot of people don't understand is what is the purpose of a blower/turbo, I mean what is it they are truly doing? Answer; Adding in more oxygen, but those same people say when you add in more oxygen you will get no better results with an hho system. Most blowers take about 10 hp to run or more, and yet can get better gas milage than without it. Now adding in a hho maker will do the same thing, add in more oxygen plus you get hydrogen as a bonuse.
I have a turbo, and I agree it puts in more air. But why do you say adding hho does the same thing ? where do you get more air from, I thouhgt I only replaced the air that I was pulling with hho gas. Am I mistaking?
Two parts hydrogen and One part oxygen, so you are adding in oxygen with an hho reactor. Blowers and turbos suck in more air to get more oxygen, but they get more of everything that is in the air too, Nitrogen, and all other gases that make up our air. Not so with hho reactors, they only add in hydrogen and oxygen. This is why when someone says it wont do anything they really are as stupid is as stupid does.
Ok I would say yes if I were pushing the hho in the engine, but it is the engine that is sucking so my guess would be that I am not adding anything (beside hydrogen) because it's already taking his oxigen from ambiant air.
here is my question, I am inserting the hho in my engine through the air filter. Would it be better if I were using the vacuum line so it get suck in instead of just be there in the air filter ?
Yes, for you have a turbo if you put hho in your intake system before the turbo it will explode in the turbo. Why? Hydrogens has a flash temp of 500 degrees so for you that is the only way to do it safely.
"What I find a lot of people don't understand is what is the purpose of a blower/turbo"
Ah, but a turbo does not use up alternator/battery power. An hydrogen system does. A turbo reuses wasted heat from the exhaust system. A turbo increases horse power of the vehicle and only very occasionally increases fuel mileage. It is easier to see for a critical scientist how a turbo can save mileage, because turbos use wasted heat. Hydrogen may burn the fuel much more completely - a far fetch.
I do wonder what is in your rain? I mean impurities or acid rain, or other stuff. As rain is supposed to be distilled water. But these days, it's hard to say. It was actually illegal to have rain water tanks here in the city at one stage, saying it was not good for us to drink, and now they are giving gov rebates here in Sydney Australia.
Something to consider a motorized generator with a mains power outlet. To run on pure HHO. Have a battery to run the HHO, then charge it via a regulator.
As do I, but it is close to that of distilled water. Any body of government that says it is illegle to save God given rain water has to go no mater what the reason they give. For it is clear they are doing something to the water supply they don't want you to get off of, like water floridation, a means to control the masses. In Japan I think they have done just that, put a browns gas machine to a hydrogen fuel cell with a 240 volt inverter. Now put that in the new Honda and run on water for life.
"For it is clear they are doing something to the water supply they don't want you to get off of, like water floridation, a means to control the masses."
These same people that are controlling the masses are the same ones who drink tap water themselves. Cut the BS please. Even if fluoride is not such a good idea, the INTENTION was not mass control - it was to help our teeth, and THEIR teeth - those you say who are controlling US. They control themselves too?
wow looks pretty cool, but forgive me for asking this (I just started getting materials to build my first cell). IOW neebie question ahead...
If you havent actually measured the hydroxy production w/out the vacuum AND after the vacuum, how can you be 100% sure its producing more hydroxy w/ the vacuum?
I'm not hating on you or your cell, just honestly curious. Math is good & all but hard facts verifying it would be the 'silver bullet' so to speak.
On this one I have to trust the math for I don't have a masspectrometer, but I can say it runs out of water a lot faster even without getting hot. But remember the vacuum had been used by Meyer, and Dr. Dingel. Plus the vacuum is made by the car no matter if you choose to use it or not, so conceder it a weak spot in an engines design efficiency :)
Apparently I gotta watch the vids w/ Meyer & Dingel. Sounds interesting.
BTW I was thinking about measuring the difference. Perhaps you can take readings/mpg w/out using the vacuum (hho just going into the air intake). Then take readings/mpg on the same route w/ the vacuum. That way you could have a clearer picture of what gains/difference you are getting. Is that possible?
As I said, I'm new so feel free to 'school' me &/or pass on any vids that can help me learn more about this hho stuff.
I have and it's only like 7-10% more but that's my 7-10% more and all I did was tap into the main vacuum line going too the vacuum brake booster in front of the one way valve. Like I said it is a weak spot in an engines design, for normally the vacuum the the engine creates just goes to waste.
wow - now that does show some improvement. As I said, I am just starting out in this, but hopefully I can try a bunch of different stuff and see what works.
Wouldn't consider vacuum a complete design flaw in regards to going to waste. Consider a turbo charged engine, yes designed to create massive boost on the high-side. That also could be used to create a large scale vacuum at higher RPM.
So there would be no loss of vacuum at higher RPM. Which I hear a lot of people on here speak of. So at idle you would get the natural "waste" vacuum and at higher RPM the turbo could keep a high vacuum on the HHO-Cell.
Yes, but that is all on the new water fuel capacitor(wfc). The new wfc has all that I know designed in it, and should do very well, even if I put it in standerd electrolysis.
You know what I have yet to see on youtube? "Here is my mpg before the cell, here is my mpg after." "The cell takes x-gal of water to Z=gal of gasoline" How about some specs?
The full cost of this cell was only around $70 dollars, 19 plates with a .001 thickness, spaced at .020 apart using plastic shims. Plates are - + -,..., + -. And it is not made out of glass but high strength 1/2 inch thick acrylic, and the hosing is wire re-enforced made to handel full vacuum without duress, pressure up to 110 ton psi, that is Self Extinguishing, and take the heat of the engine compartment. Now is that safety first big time, right? Respect hydrogen at all times for it is a fuel.
where did you pull the vacuum. i was thinking of putting a t in line with my pcv valve and pulling the vacuum from there to my tbi because it is a very strong and consistant vacuum. or is there a better place to put it.
I put my T in front of the one way valve too the vacuum booster. So that's strait vacuum nothing blocking the way from the cell too the intake manifold.
You will only learn of vacuum eletrolysis right here for I am the only one that has taken the time to do the math of type of relationship concerning vacuums effects on electrolysis. As far as I can tell I am the first to do this comparison, others that did expirements of this type did so looking for something else not energy requirments. Awakekiwi one question for you, do you belive that Stanley Meyer ran a car with only water in the tank or not? Yes or No answer please.
IS THIS USEFULL INFORMATION, If you have heard of a Joe cell, ones who understand this machanics also use vaccum in electrolysis. Ok now, What happends in a joe cell that makes it so special besides that Vaccum? I believe that Joe cell seperates alkaline from acidic water. Now, If we have water with an extremely low aciditicy (Ph near Nil) the concentration of hydrogen ions increases about 7 fold. Meaning, there is 1 M times more hydrogen to be liberated then alkaline water.
Dude. Your problem is that there is not enough free space at the top of the cell. That is why it uses too much water too quickly. What you're experiencing is thermal runaway and steam production which is what causes the water to dissipate too quickly. Reduce the amount of electrolyte or decrease the voltage applied. You can also use some type of porous filter material between the surface of the reaction and the exit port to help condensate the vapor and allow only the gas to escape.
Hi, this cell was made just too help with the cost of endless gas price increases. I was testing out my vacuum electrolysis theory, and it seams to be valid now. But the cell is going too be replaced with Dingle/Meyer type of technology soon. This was just too test out a theory and save on fuel cost at the same time:). Energy independance is my goal, and I feel I am getting very close too that goal is all I will say for now.
Well it looks like you're getting there pretty good. I'm working on improving the dual helix electrolyzer. Mine also has the thermal runaway problem. I'm going to solve that problem with a Meyer circuit and I'm using the green kitchen scrubby for the filter material I mentioned.
Electrolysis follows the same path as the boiling point of water. Vacuum takes energy from the system and the power going in remains the same thus more gas is given off. But with Faraday style electrolysis that gets the water hot, it will also boil a lot easyer too.
What I saw years back was everyone putting too the main vacuum seemed to be getting more gases, so I looked into it from a science stand point, and that is what I found out.
I still think that with a turbocharger @ low boost about 7psi/.5 bar and an intercooler with all aluminum piping you can deftinately bring down the temperatures and still have better vacuum and air mass for better combustion to compensate for irregular hydrogen burn. Thats what I think, I am still in the proc. of building a decent and reliable fuelcell and getting a reliable engine to work with... Admire your work by the way.
Please take a look at the pdf. file titled "The Arizona Study." go to this site: overunity dot com/index dot php?topic=3641 dot new;topicseen#new
That way you can learn the safe way to use hydrogen, safety first right? At 500 degrees hydrogen will fash or ignight, so that is why you can not run the Hydro/Oxy gas through a turbo.
I think that it just looks like more hydrogen because it makes the bubbles expand because of the pressure differential. It might favor the production of hydrogen a little bit, but it costs more energy to maintain the vacuum than it does to produce the hydrogen. Keep up the good work though!
The vacuum is produced by the engine and is there already for the taking. It is a weak stop in any engines design, this is coming from the main vacuum line, no cost to the engine.
the temps going through the turbocharger would preignight the hydrogen as the temps are too hot. It will flash burn at about 500 degrees, that's why I installed a water mist maker in the intake system too cool any hot spots. I don't use a fash arestor so I had to make it safe another way, and using water to solve hydrogen problems seems to have worked very well, for I have never had a flash back.
Not yet, still setting up the new system. It will be simular to Meyer's gas injection system, the water injection is a bit out of my reach for now. I need to get the injectors and electronic controls or ECU from omnitekcorp still. I will get their system and replace the source of hydrogen with a WFC. Plus still need too make an air conditioner.
i yes use magnets and u can drew more hydro out the sell pluss u have hydrogen left in yeah water as i can see from that test also if u sand down yeah plates up and down u can draw more plus if u force the freash water through yeah plate u might get more still have go
h20power mate are you sure you are getting more hydrogen production in a vacuum? Why doesn't anyone measure the amount of hydrogen produced, you guys will be amazed how little is really being made. Stop using clear vessels and measure the hydrogen produced, because visually it is very deceiving and misleading. Been there done that.
Not yet, sitll working on that one. The gas milage is about 35 mpg from 15 mpg, so I am happy, but getting it working on water only still if the goal:)
H2, I believe Daniel Dingle has passed away if I am not mistaken, that's what a Philipino that I work with told me. Are you sure that your fuel cell doesn't have a vaccum leak where some of the connections are? It is a good idea.
Very sad if that is true, for he has been waiting for a very long time for this technology too come out. I really wanted to talk with him, but guess as always one day too late. My prayers go out too his family.
I would like to see this demononstration running without the electrolizer. Just put the vacuum on standard water with the electrolizer turned off. I am wondering if it would boil the water the same...
Good question, the answer is yes. If you turn off the electricity to the generator it would still froth up. What is giving the great gas mileage is the water that is being sucked into the intake manifold. They did it in world war II in fighter air craft to get extra power on the engine in a birst of steam. Their is no doubt that hho introduced into the engine creates a better burn, but I have doubts that enough gas is being produced to make a great percentage increase in mileage. I run both
Daniel Dingle and Stanley Meyer have the answer too the problem of oil. Sure it will crash the stock market, but since when has that ever effected the poor? If you could get rid of all of your energy bills, wouldn't that mean true freedom? This war was about oil, not 9/11. Close too 4000 of us dead, as they divide up Iraq's oil. Time for a new way, time for a true world changer, time for H2O technology, I say. What do "We The People" think, had enough dieing too fill their pockets? Ron Paul!
Yes, could be right about vacuum effect on the process, but What I need to know is whether the volume of gas produced at 12 V and 30 Amps is sufficient to run an engine. IE, PV=nRT, so V= nRT/(P).
We all are just trying to get too where Stanley Meyer and Daniel Dingle has shown us, in that it is possible to use water as a fuel source. Since Meyer is dead and Dingle is not talking we have to go it alone, all of us and that means you too. The dollar is falling and we have too do something to survive this coming depression. I still wonder just who pulled this math off of my site, how and why? This technology has been around since at least 1968, and now is the time for it more than ever.
The container is good for initial observations but when I started trying to pressurize it ... NO! I got it to seal around the gasket several different times with different sealers and glues but now it is leaking where the plastic was molded together on the top itself. Initially there was no apparent problem with the lid ... however, with repeated pressure and vacuum applied -- stress has come to strain. OH WELL ... Back to the drawing board!
Wow! Lots of post. The one thing carbidtip and I have noticed is the vacuum pressure has too be directly to the surface of the water, no bubbler. There is nothing from the vacuum hose too the main vacuum line on the intake manifold on mine, hasn't blown up yet, fingers crossed. Yeah sealing it all up is hard, mine broke a leak not long after the video after riding on the road a few days, but just had to tighten some screws. My next one I am going too try a bit of Meyer/Dingle hho production.
.Think about what you just told me... The vacuum is at he top of the surface of the water of your production vessel & it is at the top of the water in your bubbler too. What the issue might be is: IS there any activity before the unit is powered up? If so: your make-up volume has to come from somewhere. -air leak?
AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO AGAIN ... THINK I MIGHT BE SEEING A LEAK AROUND ONE OF YOUR TERMINAL PASS-THROUGHS ... IF YOU CAN FIND THE TIME ... WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE TEST WHERE YOU SHOW ACTIVITY WITH VACUUM APPLIED BEFORE CURRENT IS SWITCHED ON?
This is a small thing but for those of us experimenting w/ fully submerged cells it is good ... I guess. For those using a water level sensitive system ... the action needs to be addressed with a check valve system or something. The main vessel I have been using is the one from Wal-Mart with the flip lid that "Zero" showed us in his videos.
I sealed the leaks so that there was no bubbling in my bubbler when I connected the vacuum and found that the extra activity to be only false hope. My test cell is small enough to count bubbles with the second hand on my watch. There was no change in bubble count with or w/o vacuum. What I did find was a really good thing in that I had found a self re-filling effect every time the engine vacuum was removed by "killing" the engine ... the main vessel was re-filled from the bubbler.
I was very excited when I connected my test cell to my car engine's vacuum. The excitement was rather short-lived when I realized that the extra activity was caused by a leak in my main vessel.
Do you know how much is being sucked up by the engine verses being produced by just the plain electrolisis? How much electroltye is in the line that goes to your engine?.
I use no electroltyes of anykind, this is pure rain water no salts of anykind added. I don't have the equipment to do a measurement of the gasses into the engine when it is under a vacuum, not sure if any exist. Remember I am doing something almost no one else has done, try and look it up and see what you get.
I wish, but this unit doesn't make enough hho. I use a water mist maker too keep the temps in the intake down and make sure there are no hot spots in the intake system. And the way I did the math, for Faradays type electrolysis, vacuums seems too help most. But in time I will use a pressure system when going for Dingle/Meyer works.
there is always 14psi on us all the time if u remove this u get more hho some people make a water catcher to stop water going straight in theres a vid on youtube with one hydro burns mutch faster u may have to change timing
I agree, but I did do some math on it. Electrolysis seems too follow the BP of water. Yes I am plusing it with a pwm, but the one thing to remember is that the vacuum is energy created by the car, that is normally gone wasted. I just put it too good use.
No, it's not enough too run the car, but it does really help with gas mileage. I normally fill up every three too four days and with this I fill up every ten too eleven days.
the car has too have a vacuum booster and not a turbo. Turbos have too be injected for it would ignight the hydrogen. Finding vacuum is different on some cars. And one must take percations, like me, I put in a water mister too keep the intake temps down, so I don't get any hot spots.
I did a lot of research and study on hydrogen and keeping it safe. Most of what I have done is trial and error. But I always think first, of safty. This is a win win for a car, since it can only help and not hinder. A lot of what I have done is from my 20 years plus exp in the automotive field.
I don't discount that more HHO seems to be produced under vacuum. I believe it is and soon will have hard comarative data to prove or disprove it. However, just as water boils at much higher temps under pressure, it also boils at much lower temps under vacuum.
Rain water contains contaminants picked up in freefall to earth adding to the electrolyte. Really fresh rain water also contains excess O2 from picked up from the air which is released quickly under electrolysis. This extra production subsides just as quickly.
Thanks I really like your your video's and it means a lot too me in what you say. I did put the math up already since I formed this hypothosis well over two years ago. I will with the new WFC put in just distilled water and show the results, for it has no problem breaking down distilled water aswell.
carbidtip has also shown the great effects of vacuum electrolysis, and so has Daneil Dingle if you listin closely when he pulls the tube off too shut down the engine you can hear the vacuum.
It's just no one ever these two together, boing point and electrolysis. I am the first, look it up for your self, and you will come accross one expirement when they did do this, but where looking to make heavy water D2O.
All you are doing is making the bubbles larger with the vacuum. As we all know gases expand under vacuum and compress under pressure.
This does not mean that you are getting more gas. Actually electrolysis gets slightly more efficient under pressure, but you would not be able to see the difference.
Sorry you can't read the math I put on as support for the theory, but once you do learn how too solve it you will, know that it is correct. Everyone knows it takes less energy to make water boil at higher elevations, the electrolysis of water follows the same path. Look up the phase diagram of water, and learn all you can from it.
And how much energy do you spend on creating the vacuum on THIS elevation???
You have to add that to it.
Or how much energy do you spend on taking the water up the mountain?
You have to consider a completely closed system before you can make a valid calculation. Also in the combustion engine you have 22-25psi vacuum only on idle, at open throttle at cruising speeds you only have about 2-5psi vacuum. I have tested this out myself.
And third you don't want your water to boil on lower temp. you want to electrolyze it, otherwise you are wasting too much water as steam. You can either listen and learn or you can argue and stay in ignorance. I am not going to continuo this conversation if you think this is about who is right.
Thanks for leaving me alone to follow the math I already proven. You have not seen this type of math before for no one ever cared about water in the field of materials, for they almost the only ones that use phase diagrams. But did you research it? And yes you have too keep the temps down or it will boil, that is already known, but thanks.
The engine on the car makes the vacuum, the energy comes from the centrifical stored energy of the flywheel, once the engine is running. Try taking off the flywheel and see how the engine will run. Test the volkswagons they rely on vacuum too run the car the Lamda systems on water cooled VW's.
The engine produces the vacuum already, without it no vacuum assist brakes, and so on, so no energy is wasted, just putting good use of wasted energy.
Do you have the 43 page manual that gives complete parts and details for the Bob Boyce High-Voltage Series Cell. I have already learned a lot from just reading this manual and it is much different than anything else I have read except it is similar to the construction of the Brown's Gas book 2 from Eagle Research. FYI You would appreciate reading this 43 page manual for free if you have not already!!!
I don't think I have that 43 page manual of Bob's. I am going to hook it up like Meyer's figure 8-1 in the tech breif, or is it page 178. But anyway thanks for the info, all knowelge is good, for there is always it seems too be another way.
Hi where can I find this tech brief your speaking of here? Great videos BTW. Do you tune your tubes? Are they 318 or 304 seamless or welded how long are they and how many ? sorry for all the questions just getting started complete newbie but gas prices are killing me .Bob
I am using 9, 4inch, 304L, seamless which is low carbon. The Meyer tech breif can be found on overunity dot com. I am going to try and tune the tubes but having trouble on just what too tune them too. Best of luck too us all.
make sure you actually measure the gas volume being produced by the cell with and without vacuum so you know for sure if you are actually getting more gas volume with vacuum than without. I saw another video where a gut used vacuum and measured it which indicated that the amount of gas was the same either way.
are you using the Meyers circuitry on this new cell? We are study the plans for the Bob Boyce cell at the moment because we don't really understand the correct way to construct the VIC that Meyers used.
HI, I am in the process of building the circuitry, and VIC coils, plus a whole lot more. Going too take me some time though due to low buget. But that just gives me more time to think and research, smile.
Great production at idle and high vacuum but production will drop when you want to accelerate as you open the throttle plate to increase engine speed the vacuum will drop and so will your cells output just when even more HHO is needed as engine speeds up, now how can that be accounted for??? not trying to be a smart ass just looking at a real problem to be worked around!
I have already ran the measurements the car produces from idle to max rpm, 15mm hg to 29mm hg. That is what my engine makes, so as the rpm goes up so does the vacuum. I taped into the vacuum booster feed line, maybe one day I will show it.
What kind of engine is it 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder? what brand? have you actually put a vacuum gauge on it while you are driving in actual traffic? See what the vacuum is when you speed up quickly on an up hill road. Could be a small 4 cylinder with quick throttle response does have more vacuum than a v8 , what i have more experence with.
yes, I put a vacuum gauge too it. I am ASE ceritfid with over 20 years expireance in the automotive field. I rebuilt the engine in the car, it's a VW Sirocco with an 1985 GTI engine 4cyl, with a euro specs head. The car fuel system operates on vacuum.
That or you are boiling the water... lower pressure lowers water boiling point. You can see other videos on youtube that boil water at like - 20lb pressure. However, the begging was increadble h2o production in rainwater.
I ran the math and the break down of water parallels the boiling point. It's a wonder no one ever figured this out before, but I am into chemistry and strength & mateirals, that's how I came up with the idea, using phase diagrams.
Note the old 31 tube WFC I used connectors that were not stainless steel, and they finally gave out. The WFC seen has 19 3x6 plates and is set up too use with a modified alternator, in that the negetive is comon and the positive is three plates each, so it is
looks good
theoneagain 3 months ago
So have you been able to actually make an engine run solely on water?
If so do you have the plans on your electrolyzer? (the thing that separates water molecules through electricity, not sure what it's called)
either way, great vid
AliveDog 10 months ago
I've noticed this same effect when vacuum is applied. I thought it was due to the drop in pressure making the bubbles and action appear larger/more vigorous. I'll find a way to test cell output volume under vacuum and regular atmospheric pressure to see if there is a difference. If this makes electrolysis more productive, then how is that possible? Maybe atmospheric pressure hinders electrolysis somehow? I'll check into this. Great video by the way.
HemilGremil 1 year ago
@HemilGremil Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM and 298K the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 K
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ 1 year ago
h2opower 1 year ago
how do you vacuum air out of a chamber while collecting the hho without it being sucked into the pump?
ski4kil 1 year ago
@ski4kil I put a 'T' on the main vacuum line on the car. The engine is the vacuum pump on this test.
h2opower 1 year ago
In a vaccum water boil very easy and at low temp.
ml5001 1 year ago
@ml5001 Yes the phase diagram of water.
h2opower 1 year ago
Try have like 2 feet of Air space above the water line, so it doesnt suck up bubbles and water into the system. Do a Video on it and see using trhe "SAME" plates if any differance or not? if so how?
drewmaster74 1 year ago
This set up was made just to test the theory I posted showing the math of the energy calculations. Right now I am about to start my expirements on replicating the work of the late great Stanley Meyer, so stay tuned as it took me a few years to get it all figured out.
h2opower 1 year ago
is there a way to do a hydrogen fuel cell on a car that runs on straight ethanol. i make my own ethanol for my car wanna put a hydrogen fuel cell in to make my crx more effeciant if possible
dohczc420 2 years ago
Yes, but you should read my other video of Meyer's first run with his car, as you will find a site to go to in the "more info" box where I explain how Stanley Meyer ran his car off of just plain water.
h2opower 2 years ago
am kinda confused what's happening here?
tdragon360 2 years ago
Don't worry about it, all that I was doing here was teaching myself the conservation of energy for the most part. For vacuum is energy and all I did was show that when a vacuum is applied energy in conserved thus the amps usage will decrease. So when using a PWM one can turn up the amp usage back to where it was before the vacuum was added and get more hho gases being produced. But the main problem will be a runaway boil off of the water in a Faraday type electrolizer due to lower boiling point
h2opower 2 years ago
jestem tylko ciekaw czy nie dochodzi do topienia się płyty w miejscu w którym są zrobione przepusty. Nie wiem czy to plexi czy może poliweglan wydaje mi się ze pop przekroczeniu wartości 15A zacznie się topić
Chomalek 2 years ago
how do you turn hydrogen into electricity?
Addamondes 2 years ago
That's done with a fuel cell created by Grove. But the way Stanley Meyer/Dr. Dingel used what is known as an "Electron Extraction Circuit," they both could create electricity by consuming the electrons.
h2opower 2 years ago
Stan Meyers developed a Car the fractured water into
O2 and H2 and then "burned" it back together back in 1997 We still are burning oil....
williamwagener 2 years ago
I am still working on it, but I have posted all the science and math of how Stanley Meyer did what he did. Look in the "more info" section of this video: watch?v=Z5afwEcZ3Ok&feature=channel_page
The only thing I was doing in this set up was verifying the math I had done for the effects of vaccum on electrolysis.
h2opower 2 years ago
So.... Can you build a replica of Stan Meyers Dune Buggy?
I looked at the more INFO..;.. and I talked to Stephen Meyers,
Stan twin brother in MINN. in 2007.... and he is very quiet
these days.
williamwagener 2 years ago
Not he right place to talk about that.
h2opower 2 years ago
table salt creates chlorine gas which is quite obviously a poison, and baking soda creates lots of carbon monoxide, another playtime favorite.
biggest tips i can pass on?
1)0.25 amps per square inch. nothing more. for example: 32 square inches of active plate area limits to 8 amps. 32 * 0.25= 8
2)electrode spacing is key. 1/8" works excellent.
3)not pulling enough amps? increase surface area and/or decrease electrode spacing.
4)in a car system, seven cells is perfect.
hgmain10ance 3 years ago
Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM and 298K the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 K
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ
h2opower 3 years ago
Hello, great ob thank you for your teaching, how can you use 10 amps with out electrolyte? what kind of energy suply do you use? Thank you again Mr. h2opower.
jorgerojo73 3 years ago
Hello, Is any one know where is the vaccum line located? to connect to hho line? Thanks
fdoca 3 years ago
In this video I am tied into the main vacuum line going to the brake booster. Every car is different it seems so do your research to make sure you stay safe.
h2opower 3 years ago
Question? maybe some of those bubbles are steam from the boiling point of water being lowered... so your getting hho and steam when the vacuum start ... or you think its mostly hho?
i hope so...
thanks! so much for your video
popoqwer 3 years ago
This was done early in the morning, the cell is very cold, so yes it's all hho gas, plus there are not salts in this water and it is straigt rain water.
h2opower 3 years ago
Super this is the opening i was looking for ... thanks again for the insight... i'm sure most people are missing this .... i will make a setup for myself and try it!
Great News!
popoqwer 3 years ago
You have to generate an energy surplus when using the vacuum that is greater than what generating the vacuum draws otherwise it's just counterproductive.
excogitation 3 years ago
"plus there are not salts in this water and it is straigt rain water."
I would think that rain water has plenty of minerals in it naturally.
thiswasatest 2 years ago
Bill Williams ran his truck on water, I too want to do the same thing one day. But I am going the route Stanley Meyer, Dr. Dingel, and some others went.
In time I think I will get this all working right, but much testing remains as of right now. Just hope I can get things built in a timly manor, though funds are low right now.
h2opower 3 years ago
No one knows what Daniel is doing exactly, electrolysis and maybe more. But Stan did not run(drive) his buggy on the electolysis that you are making. His last invention was a sparkplug/waterinjector/electrolysiscell, all rolled into one. It used the same current that is going to make the spark, to powered the cell. When the water was injected across the cell it was instantly turned to HHO from the power that is on its way to make the spark. Very complicated if you ask me.
Cont...
Fusion8r 3 years ago
Why not a GEET reactor, there are plenty of people replicating this device. And much simpler, I believe this is where I'm headed.
Just my 2 cents.
Fusion8r
Fusion8r 3 years ago
This expirement was just to test a theory I had on vacuums effect on electrolysis. As for running a car sure this was not intended to do that. I have not put out any of my work on Dr. Dingel's type of work or for the most part Stanley Meyer's either. One day I hope to get it working right. I like the Geet reactor too, seems also a good way to go, keep up the great work and let me know how it turns out.
h2opower 3 years ago
what's your next step?
What universities do you know of trying to get this to work? Thanks
MikeMcDonald1 3 years ago
panacea university :-)
Fearmonger101 3 years ago
"panacea university"
The University of Hard Knocks
(UHK)
thiswasatest 2 years ago
My next step is to make trail runs same as Stanley Meyer once I get everything set up.
This test here was just to show that vacuum does help the electrolysis process, as I did the math first and then set out to see if the math held up to expirementation, it did:).
h2opower 3 years ago
"What universities do you know of trying to get this to work"
What universities do you know of that helped Tesla discover wireless electricity, the AC motor, and the brushless motor which was stated impossible by University ABC?
thiswasatest 2 years ago
The vacuum seems to make a huge difference ....could you add more vacuum and let the bubbles go into the tube and then condense in a chamber and be fed back into the system?
BillyJackets 3 years ago
The cell is hooked up to the main vacuum line of the car, thus the RPM controls the vacuum from 13.5-29mm Hg. Think of it as a supply and demand situation the more you demand the more hho you get.
h2opower 3 years ago
Thanks H2,
Great job you're doing there.
Nog
nogarats 3 years ago
the problem is that most cars, vacuum is highest at idle and deceleration. When HHO is needed most, cruising down the highway and accelerating, vacuum is lowest. The reason is that the butterfly being closed is what helps create vacuum, so when the butterfly is open there is no vacuum being created.
Fusion8r
Fusion8r 3 years ago
't needz 2b out of phase fusion8r, duh? :)
Fearmonger101 3 years ago
Is it possible to increase vacuum force at crusing speed? how? Thanks
fdoca 3 years ago
Not sure on that one, all vehicals differ, this vehical shown here is a vacuum controled system. Without a vacuum the car would not run.
h2opower 3 years ago
great HHO production for such a small container how many amps to it , and was it powering a car? Thanks I would love to know more
BillyJackets 3 years ago
Hi, this cell is taking about 8-11 amps, and no it's seems too small too run the car, but I did try, lol. It has turned out to be a great gas saver nothing more. But I built it just too test a theory I had on vacuum and electrolysis, and it worked just as predicted :)
h2opower 3 years ago
What I find a lot of people don't understand is what is the purpose of a blower/turbo, I mean what is it they are truly doing? Answer; Adding in more oxygen, but those same people say when you add in more oxygen you will get no better results with an hho system. Most blowers take about 10 hp to run or more, and yet can get better gas milage than without it. Now adding in a hho maker will do the same thing, add in more oxygen plus you get hydrogen as a bonuse.
h2opower 3 years ago
I have a turbo, and I agree it puts in more air. But why do you say adding hho does the same thing ? where do you get more air from, I thouhgt I only replaced the air that I was pulling with hho gas. Am I mistaking?
nogarats 3 years ago
Two parts hydrogen and One part oxygen, so you are adding in oxygen with an hho reactor. Blowers and turbos suck in more air to get more oxygen, but they get more of everything that is in the air too, Nitrogen, and all other gases that make up our air. Not so with hho reactors, they only add in hydrogen and oxygen. This is why when someone says it wont do anything they really are as stupid is as stupid does.
h2opower 3 years ago
Ok I would say yes if I were pushing the hho in the engine, but it is the engine that is sucking so my guess would be that I am not adding anything (beside hydrogen) because it's already taking his oxigen from ambiant air.
here is my question, I am inserting the hho in my engine through the air filter. Would it be better if I were using the vacuum line so it get suck in instead of just be there in the air filter ?
Thanks
nogarats 3 years ago
Yes, for you have a turbo if you put hho in your intake system before the turbo it will explode in the turbo. Why? Hydrogens has a flash temp of 500 degrees so for you that is the only way to do it safely.
h2opower 3 years ago
Thanks for showing us how stupid we are h2opower. It's much appreciated.
Now we know what Bill Williams was talking about.
:0)
Fearmonger101 3 years ago
"What I find a lot of people don't understand is what is the purpose of a blower/turbo"
Ah, but a turbo does not use up alternator/battery power. An hydrogen system does. A turbo reuses wasted heat from the exhaust system. A turbo increases horse power of the vehicle and only very occasionally increases fuel mileage. It is easier to see for a critical scientist how a turbo can save mileage, because turbos use wasted heat. Hydrogen may burn the fuel much more completely - a far fetch.
thiswasatest 2 years ago
I do wonder what is in your rain? I mean impurities or acid rain, or other stuff. As rain is supposed to be distilled water. But these days, it's hard to say. It was actually illegal to have rain water tanks here in the city at one stage, saying it was not good for us to drink, and now they are giving gov rebates here in Sydney Australia.
Something to consider a motorized generator with a mains power outlet. To run on pure HHO. Have a battery to run the HHO, then charge it via a regulator.
UnityEnergy 3 years ago
As do I, but it is close to that of distilled water. Any body of government that says it is illegle to save God given rain water has to go no mater what the reason they give. For it is clear they are doing something to the water supply they don't want you to get off of, like water floridation, a means to control the masses. In Japan I think they have done just that, put a browns gas machine to a hydrogen fuel cell with a 240 volt inverter. Now put that in the new Honda and run on water for life.
h2opower 3 years ago
"For it is clear they are doing something to the water supply they don't want you to get off of, like water floridation, a means to control the masses."
These same people that are controlling the masses are the same ones who drink tap water themselves. Cut the BS please. Even if fluoride is not such a good idea, the INTENTION was not mass control - it was to help our teeth, and THEIR teeth - those you say who are controlling US. They control themselves too?
thiswasatest 2 years ago
wow looks pretty cool, but forgive me for asking this (I just started getting materials to build my first cell). IOW neebie question ahead...
If you havent actually measured the hydroxy production w/out the vacuum AND after the vacuum, how can you be 100% sure its producing more hydroxy w/ the vacuum?
I'm not hating on you or your cell, just honestly curious. Math is good & all but hard facts verifying it would be the 'silver bullet' so to speak.
Keep up the good work.
:)
AlmostHydrogen 3 years ago
On this one I have to trust the math for I don't have a masspectrometer, but I can say it runs out of water a lot faster even without getting hot. But remember the vacuum had been used by Meyer, and Dr. Dingel. Plus the vacuum is made by the car no matter if you choose to use it or not, so conceder it a weak spot in an engines design efficiency :)
h2opower 3 years ago
Apparently I gotta watch the vids w/ Meyer & Dingel. Sounds interesting.
BTW I was thinking about measuring the difference. Perhaps you can take readings/mpg w/out using the vacuum (hho just going into the air intake). Then take readings/mpg on the same route w/ the vacuum. That way you could have a clearer picture of what gains/difference you are getting. Is that possible?
As I said, I'm new so feel free to 'school' me &/or pass on any vids that can help me learn more about this hho stuff.
AlmostHydrogen 3 years ago
I have and it's only like 7-10% more but that's my 7-10% more and all I did was tap into the main vacuum line going too the vacuum brake booster in front of the one way valve. Like I said it is a weak spot in an engines design, for normally the vacuum the the engine creates just goes to waste.
h2opower 3 years ago
wow - now that does show some improvement. As I said, I am just starting out in this, but hopefully I can try a bunch of different stuff and see what works.
I look forward to seeing more vids from you.
AlmostHydrogen 3 years ago
Wouldn't consider vacuum a complete design flaw in regards to going to waste. Consider a turbo charged engine, yes designed to create massive boost on the high-side. That also could be used to create a large scale vacuum at higher RPM.
So there would be no loss of vacuum at higher RPM. Which I hear a lot of people on here speak of. So at idle you would get the natural "waste" vacuum and at higher RPM the turbo could keep a high vacuum on the HHO-Cell.
These are all things to conclude. -sirHOAX
sirHOAX 3 years ago
good stuff. i wonder how much gas production would be necessary to run a 200cc engine? Have you done any experiments with natural gas carburetors?
oddssodds 3 years ago
No, I have only been working with fuel injection engines thus far.
h2opower 3 years ago
have you considered circulating the water to move the gas off the plates more efficiently?
oddssodds 3 years ago
Yes, but that is all on the new water fuel capacitor(wfc). The new wfc has all that I know designed in it, and should do very well, even if I put it in standerd electrolysis.
h2opower 3 years ago
You know what I have yet to see on youtube? "Here is my mpg before the cell, here is my mpg after." "The cell takes x-gal of water to Z=gal of gasoline" How about some specs?
lazzer408 3 years ago
Build your own you and you do it, I will just take the savings.
h2opower 3 years ago
wow! pretty neat. looks great.
Keep it up!
swapvid 3 years ago
Thanks a lot man Realy cool
Keep up the good work
therecommender 3 years ago
there are ebooks describing an easy way to make these cheaply yourself at: ecofuelsnz(dot)googlepages(dot)com
awakekiwi 3 years ago
The full cost of this cell was only around $70 dollars, 19 plates with a .001 thickness, spaced at .020 apart using plastic shims. Plates are - + -,..., + -. And it is not made out of glass but high strength 1/2 inch thick acrylic, and the hosing is wire re-enforced made to handel full vacuum without duress, pressure up to 110 ton psi, that is Self Extinguishing, and take the heat of the engine compartment. Now is that safety first big time, right? Respect hydrogen at all times for it is a fuel.
h2opower 3 years ago
where did you pull the vacuum. i was thinking of putting a t in line with my pcv valve and pulling the vacuum from there to my tbi because it is a very strong and consistant vacuum. or is there a better place to put it.
kwacz 3 years ago
I put my T in front of the one way valve too the vacuum booster. So that's strait vacuum nothing blocking the way from the cell too the intake manifold.
h2opower 3 years ago
You will only learn of vacuum eletrolysis right here for I am the only one that has taken the time to do the math of type of relationship concerning vacuums effects on electrolysis. As far as I can tell I am the first to do this comparison, others that did expirements of this type did so looking for something else not energy requirments. Awakekiwi one question for you, do you belive that Stanley Meyer ran a car with only water in the tank or not? Yes or No answer please.
h2opower 3 years ago
IS THIS USEFULL INFORMATION, If you have heard of a Joe cell, ones who understand this machanics also use vaccum in electrolysis. Ok now, What happends in a joe cell that makes it so special besides that Vaccum? I believe that Joe cell seperates alkaline from acidic water. Now, If we have water with an extremely low aciditicy (Ph near Nil) the concentration of hydrogen ions increases about 7 fold. Meaning, there is 1 M times more hydrogen to be liberated then alkaline water.
The777truth 3 years ago
Dude. Your problem is that there is not enough free space at the top of the cell. That is why it uses too much water too quickly. What you're experiencing is thermal runaway and steam production which is what causes the water to dissipate too quickly. Reduce the amount of electrolyte or decrease the voltage applied. You can also use some type of porous filter material between the surface of the reaction and the exit port to help condensate the vapor and allow only the gas to escape.
jpstephens2012 3 years ago
Hi, this cell was made just too help with the cost of endless gas price increases. I was testing out my vacuum electrolysis theory, and it seams to be valid now. But the cell is going too be replaced with Dingle/Meyer type of technology soon. This was just too test out a theory and save on fuel cost at the same time:). Energy independance is my goal, and I feel I am getting very close too that goal is all I will say for now.
h2opower 3 years ago
Well it looks like you're getting there pretty good. I'm working on improving the dual helix electrolyzer. Mine also has the thermal runaway problem. I'm going to solve that problem with a Meyer circuit and I'm using the green kitchen scrubby for the filter material I mentioned.
jpstephens2012 3 years ago
Hi h2opower, what is your 'vacuum hypothesis theory'? thanks
blahvidblah 3 years ago
The effects of a vacuum on electrolysis Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM 298k the energy requirments are W = PDV = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 KJ
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ
h2opower 3 years ago
I appreciate the math but what is you theory? thanks
blahvidblah 3 years ago
Electrolysis follows the same path as the boiling point of water. Vacuum takes energy from the system and the power going in remains the same thus more gas is given off. But with Faraday style electrolysis that gets the water hot, it will also boil a lot easyer too.
What I saw years back was everyone putting too the main vacuum seemed to be getting more gases, so I looked into it from a science stand point, and that is what I found out.
h2opower 3 years ago
That is pure rain water, not salts of anykind, it will do the same too distilled water too.
h2opower 3 years ago
Great design !
I wonder if user ZeroFossilFuel
has seen it, cause I also think that vaccuum
above the cell is the way to go !
Well done !
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 3 years ago
I still think that with a turbocharger @ low boost about 7psi/.5 bar and an intercooler with all aluminum piping you can deftinately bring down the temperatures and still have better vacuum and air mass for better combustion to compensate for irregular hydrogen burn. Thats what I think, I am still in the proc. of building a decent and reliable fuelcell and getting a reliable engine to work with... Admire your work by the way.
69elyankee69 3 years ago
Please take a look at the pdf. file titled "The Arizona Study." go to this site: overunity dot com/index dot php?topic=3641 dot new;topicseen#new
That way you can learn the safe way to use hydrogen, safety first right? At 500 degrees hydrogen will fash or ignight, so that is why you can not run the Hydro/Oxy gas through a turbo.
h2opower 3 years ago
Ok sorry, I thought that the hydro was added to air like normal injection... Ok I´ll take a look at it... Thanks ;)
69elyankee69 3 years ago
GOOOD JOB
finefilth 4 years ago
Thanks, a new WFC is in the works, one with Dingle/Meyer in mind.
h2opower 3 years ago
are you going to do a cell that splits hydrogen and oxygen separately?
oddssodds 3 years ago
I think that it just looks like more hydrogen because it makes the bubbles expand because of the pressure differential. It might favor the production of hydrogen a little bit, but it costs more energy to maintain the vacuum than it does to produce the hydrogen. Keep up the good work though!
-Cory Walker
cmwslw 4 years ago
The vacuum is produced by the engine and is there already for the taking. It is a weak stop in any engines design, this is coming from the main vacuum line, no cost to the engine.
h2opower 4 years ago
not if your driving your car because your engine has vacuum already.
kwacz 3 years ago
Mabe a turbocharger is the solution for a real vacum??
fladfisken 4 years ago
the temps going through the turbocharger would preignight the hydrogen as the temps are too hot. It will flash burn at about 500 degrees, that's why I installed a water mist maker in the intake system too cool any hot spots. I don't use a fash arestor so I had to make it safe another way, and using water to solve hydrogen problems seems to have worked very well, for I have never had a flash back.
h2opower 4 years ago
have tried adding more air into fuelcell?..stan said it can slow down the burn rate of hho.
dreamyear 4 years ago
Not yet, still setting up the new system. It will be simular to Meyer's gas injection system, the water injection is a bit out of my reach for now. I need to get the injectors and electronic controls or ECU from omnitekcorp still. I will get their system and replace the source of hydrogen with a WFC. Plus still need too make an air conditioner.
h2opower 4 years ago
i yes use magnets and u can drew more hydro out the sell pluss u have hydrogen left in yeah water as i can see from that test also if u sand down yeah plates up and down u can draw more plus if u force the freash water through yeah plate u might get more still have go
keodaminx 4 years ago
h20power mate are you sure you are getting more hydrogen production in a vacuum? Why doesn't anyone measure the amount of hydrogen produced, you guys will be amazed how little is really being made. Stop using clear vessels and measure the hydrogen produced, because visually it is very deceiving and misleading. Been there done that.
MaxxxLogan 4 years ago
The effects of a vacuum on electrolysis Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM 298k the energy requirments are W = PDV = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 KJ
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ
h2opower 4 years ago
GREAT JOB!!! Does the car run on water only? Thanks KC
KCROCKSITGOOD 4 years ago
Not yet, sitll working on that one. The gas milage is about 35 mpg from 15 mpg, so I am happy, but getting it working on water only still if the goal:)
h2opower 4 years ago
You do know you can turn that into the goverment for 1 billion dollars.
cfootball10 4 years ago
That's the whole problem of this type of technology, Greed! This technology is ment too set mankind free of todays wars for oil.
h2opower 4 years ago
Thanks for your unselfish work, my son and I enjoy your videos. I noticed The Joe cell guy also using vacuums.
cfootball10 4 years ago
H2, I believe Daniel Dingle has passed away if I am not mistaken, that's what a Philipino that I work with told me. Are you sure that your fuel cell doesn't have a vaccum leak where some of the connections are? It is a good idea.
Seekmosttoprophesy 4 years ago
Very sad if that is true, for he has been waiting for a very long time for this technology too come out. I really wanted to talk with him, but guess as always one day too late. My prayers go out too his family.
h2opower 4 years ago
I would like to see this demononstration running without the electrolizer. Just put the vacuum on standard water with the electrolizer turned off. I am wondering if it would boil the water the same...
Just curious.
marthale7 4 years ago
/watch?v=7tH13Vfv-Lc
Take a look at this video, since we are doing the same thing
h2opower 4 years ago
Good question, the answer is yes. If you turn off the electricity to the generator it would still froth up. What is giving the great gas mileage is the water that is being sucked into the intake manifold. They did it in world war II in fighter air craft to get extra power on the engine in a birst of steam. Their is no doubt that hho introduced into the engine creates a better burn, but I have doubts that enough gas is being produced to make a great percentage increase in mileage. I run both
hydrogenassist 3 years ago
Daniel Dingle and Stanley Meyer have the answer too the problem of oil. Sure it will crash the stock market, but since when has that ever effected the poor? If you could get rid of all of your energy bills, wouldn't that mean true freedom? This war was about oil, not 9/11. Close too 4000 of us dead, as they divide up Iraq's oil. Time for a new way, time for a true world changer, time for H2O technology, I say. What do "We The People" think, had enough dieing too fill their pockets? Ron Paul!
h2opower 4 years ago
The effects of a vacuum on electrolysis Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM 298k the energy requirments are W = PDV = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 KJ
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = PDV = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ
h2opower 4 years ago
Yes, could be right about vacuum effect on the process, but What I need to know is whether the volume of gas produced at 12 V and 30 Amps is sufficient to run an engine. IE, PV=nRT, so V= nRT/(P).
FulinYu 4 years ago
We all are just trying to get too where Stanley Meyer and Daniel Dingle has shown us, in that it is possible to use water as a fuel source. Since Meyer is dead and Dingle is not talking we have to go it alone, all of us and that means you too. The dollar is falling and we have too do something to survive this coming depression. I still wonder just who pulled this math off of my site, how and why? This technology has been around since at least 1968, and now is the time for it more than ever.
h2opower 4 years ago
all I see is air leaking into cell from vacuum leak
FulinYu 4 years ago
then watch carbidtip's video's, and/or take at look at the math I also put on. /watch?v=7tH13Vfv-Lc
But this is just too aid in a more effeicent engine and use less gasoline. The main project is still in the works.
h2opower 4 years ago
The container is good for initial observations but when I started trying to pressurize it ... NO! I got it to seal around the gasket several different times with different sealers and glues but now it is leaking where the plastic was molded together on the top itself. Initially there was no apparent problem with the lid ... however, with repeated pressure and vacuum applied -- stress has come to strain. OH WELL ... Back to the drawing board!
I continue to observe.
Later!
Wild Bill
HHOBill 4 years ago
Wow! Lots of post. The one thing carbidtip and I have noticed is the vacuum pressure has too be directly to the surface of the water, no bubbler. There is nothing from the vacuum hose too the main vacuum line on the intake manifold on mine, hasn't blown up yet, fingers crossed. Yeah sealing it all up is hard, mine broke a leak not long after the video after riding on the road a few days, but just had to tighten some screws. My next one I am going too try a bit of Meyer/Dingle hho production.
h2opower 4 years ago
.Think about what you just told me... The vacuum is at he top of the surface of the water of your production vessel & it is at the top of the water in your bubbler too. What the issue might be is: IS there any activity before the unit is powered up? If so: your make-up volume has to come from somewhere. -air leak?
HHOBill 4 years ago
AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO AGAIN ... THINK I MIGHT BE SEEING A LEAK AROUND ONE OF YOUR TERMINAL PASS-THROUGHS ... IF YOU CAN FIND THE TIME ... WOULD YOU MIND DOING THE TEST WHERE YOU SHOW ACTIVITY WITH VACUUM APPLIED BEFORE CURRENT IS SWITCHED ON?
Thanks!
Wild Bill
HHOBill 4 years ago
This is a small thing but for those of us experimenting w/ fully submerged cells it is good ... I guess. For those using a water level sensitive system ... the action needs to be addressed with a check valve system or something. The main vessel I have been using is the one from Wal-Mart with the flip lid that "Zero" showed us in his videos.
HHOBill 4 years ago
I sealed the leaks so that there was no bubbling in my bubbler when I connected the vacuum and found that the extra activity to be only false hope. My test cell is small enough to count bubbles with the second hand on my watch. There was no change in bubble count with or w/o vacuum. What I did find was a really good thing in that I had found a self re-filling effect every time the engine vacuum was removed by "killing" the engine ... the main vessel was re-filled from the bubbler.
HHOBill 4 years ago
Guess this takes more than one post!
I was very excited when I connected my test cell to my car engine's vacuum. The excitement was rather short-lived when I realized that the extra activity was caused by a leak in my main vessel.
HHOBill 4 years ago
Do you know how much is being sucked up by the engine verses being produced by just the plain electrolisis? How much electroltye is in the line that goes to your engine?.
hydrogenassist 4 years ago
I use no electroltyes of anykind, this is pure rain water no salts of anykind added. I don't have the equipment to do a measurement of the gasses into the engine when it is under a vacuum, not sure if any exist. Remember I am doing something almost no one else has done, try and look it up and see what you get.
h2opower 4 years ago
I wish, but this unit doesn't make enough hho. I use a water mist maker too keep the temps in the intake down and make sure there are no hot spots in the intake system. And the way I did the math, for Faradays type electrolysis, vacuums seems too help most. But in time I will use a pressure system when going for Dingle/Meyer works.
h2opower 4 years ago
there is always 14psi on us all the time if u remove this u get more hho some people make a water catcher to stop water going straight in theres a vid on youtube with one hydro burns mutch faster u may have to change timing
hopeitshappy 4 years ago
if I had his cell, it more than likely would be able too run the engine; watch?v=hpChKwPMDz0. This guy is getting 5 liters/min. very nice
h2opower 4 years ago
I agree, but I did do some math on it. Electrolysis seems too follow the BP of water. Yes I am plusing it with a pwm, but the one thing to remember is that the vacuum is energy created by the car, that is normally gone wasted. I just put it too good use.
h2opower 4 years ago
I feel like a sci-tard compared to everyone else watching and commenting, but was that engine running on hydrogen?
dnHooligan 4 years ago
No, it's not enough too run the car, but it does really help with gas mileage. I normally fill up every three too four days and with this I fill up every ten too eleven days.
h2opower 4 years ago
Where is the HHO introduced to the engine? Through the carb/injectors?
dnHooligan 4 years ago
right at the intake manifold, the main vacuum line too the vacuum booster I put in a tee value.
h2opower 4 years ago
Can any car be converted? What's the easiest model? VW 2.0 liter?
dnHooligan 4 years ago
the car has too have a vacuum booster and not a turbo. Turbos have too be injected for it would ignight the hydrogen. Finding vacuum is different on some cars. And one must take percations, like me, I put in a water mister too keep the intake temps down, so I don't get any hot spots.
h2opower 4 years ago
Are there plans you can work off of, or is it 100% trial and error?
dnHooligan 4 years ago
I did a lot of research and study on hydrogen and keeping it safe. Most of what I have done is trial and error. But I always think first, of safty. This is a win win for a car, since it can only help and not hinder. A lot of what I have done is from my 20 years plus exp in the automotive field.
h2opower 4 years ago
I don't discount that more HHO seems to be produced under vacuum. I believe it is and soon will have hard comarative data to prove or disprove it. However, just as water boils at much higher temps under pressure, it also boils at much lower temps under vacuum.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
Rain water contains contaminants picked up in freefall to earth adding to the electrolyte. Really fresh rain water also contains excess O2 from picked up from the air which is released quickly under electrolysis. This extra production subsides just as quickly.
ZeroFossilFuel 4 years ago
Thanks I really like your your video's and it means a lot too me in what you say. I did put the math up already since I formed this hypothosis well over two years ago. I will with the new WFC put in just distilled water and show the results, for it has no problem breaking down distilled water aswell.
h2opower 4 years ago
carbidtip has also shown the great effects of vacuum electrolysis, and so has Daneil Dingle if you listin closely when he pulls the tube off too shut down the engine you can hear the vacuum.
h2opower 4 years ago
It's just no one ever these two together, boing point and electrolysis. I am the first, look it up for your self, and you will come accross one expirement when they did do this, but where looking to make heavy water D2O.
h2opower 4 years ago
*ever put these*
h2opower 4 years ago
You are deceiving yourself and others.
All you are doing is making the bubbles larger with the vacuum. As we all know gases expand under vacuum and compress under pressure.
This does not mean that you are getting more gas. Actually electrolysis gets slightly more efficient under pressure, but you would not be able to see the difference.
Cheers!
Z-Man
HydrOxyBoost 4 years ago
Sorry you can't read the math I put on as support for the theory, but once you do learn how too solve it you will, know that it is correct. Everyone knows it takes less energy to make water boil at higher elevations, the electrolysis of water follows the same path. Look up the phase diagram of water, and learn all you can from it.
h2opower 4 years ago
And how much energy do you spend on creating the vacuum on THIS elevation???
You have to add that to it.
Or how much energy do you spend on taking the water up the mountain?
You have to consider a completely closed system before you can make a valid calculation. Also in the combustion engine you have 22-25psi vacuum only on idle, at open throttle at cruising speeds you only have about 2-5psi vacuum. I have tested this out myself.
HydrOxyBoost 4 years ago
And third you don't want your water to boil on lower temp. you want to electrolyze it, otherwise you are wasting too much water as steam. You can either listen and learn or you can argue and stay in ignorance. I am not going to continuo this conversation if you think this is about who is right.
Z-Man
HydrOxyBoost 4 years ago
Thanks for leaving me alone to follow the math I already proven. You have not seen this type of math before for no one ever cared about water in the field of materials, for they almost the only ones that use phase diagrams. But did you research it? And yes you have too keep the temps down or it will boil, that is already known, but thanks.
h2opower 4 years ago
The engine on the car makes the vacuum, the energy comes from the centrifical stored energy of the flywheel, once the engine is running. Try taking off the flywheel and see how the engine will run. Test the volkswagons they rely on vacuum too run the car the Lamda systems on water cooled VW's.
h2opower 4 years ago
The engine produces the vacuum already, without it no vacuum assist brakes, and so on, so no energy is wasted, just putting good use of wasted energy.
h2opower 4 years ago
Do you have the 43 page manual that gives complete parts and details for the Bob Boyce High-Voltage Series Cell. I have already learned a lot from just reading this manual and it is much different than anything else I have read except it is similar to the construction of the Brown's Gas book 2 from Eagle Research. FYI You would appreciate reading this 43 page manual for free if you have not already!!!
spbrick 4 years ago
I don't think I have that 43 page manual of Bob's. I am going to hook it up like Meyer's figure 8-1 in the tech breif, or is it page 178. But anyway thanks for the info, all knowelge is good, for there is always it seems too be another way.
h2opower 4 years ago
Hi where can I find this tech brief your speaking of here? Great videos BTW. Do you tune your tubes? Are they 318 or 304 seamless or welded how long are they and how many ? sorry for all the questions just getting started complete newbie but gas prices are killing me .Bob
bob33lee33 3 years ago
I am using 9, 4inch, 304L, seamless which is low carbon. The Meyer tech breif can be found on overunity dot com. I am going to try and tune the tubes but having trouble on just what too tune them too. Best of luck too us all.
h2opower 3 years ago
make sure you actually measure the gas volume being produced by the cell with and without vacuum so you know for sure if you are actually getting more gas volume with vacuum than without. I saw another video where a gut used vacuum and measured it which indicated that the amount of gas was the same either way.
spbrick 4 years ago
I go by water level insted, you know before and after, in a set amount of time. But the math for the process also shows the same results.
h2opower 4 years ago
are you using the Meyers circuitry on this new cell? We are study the plans for the Bob Boyce cell at the moment because we don't really understand the correct way to construct the VIC that Meyers used.
spbrick 4 years ago
HI, I am in the process of building the circuitry, and VIC coils, plus a whole lot more. Going too take me some time though due to low buget. But that just gives me more time to think and research, smile.
h2opower 4 years ago
Welcome to the vacuum zone. :-)
CarbideTip 4 years ago
I feel very welcomed thanks. xXx, lol.
h2opower 4 years ago
Great production at idle and high vacuum but production will drop when you want to accelerate as you open the throttle plate to increase engine speed the vacuum will drop and so will your cells output just when even more HHO is needed as engine speeds up, now how can that be accounted for??? not trying to be a smart ass just looking at a real problem to be worked around!
december105 4 years ago
I have already ran the measurements the car produces from idle to max rpm, 15mm hg to 29mm hg. That is what my engine makes, so as the rpm goes up so does the vacuum. I taped into the vacuum booster feed line, maybe one day I will show it.
h2opower 4 years ago
What kind of engine is it 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder? what brand? have you actually put a vacuum gauge on it while you are driving in actual traffic? See what the vacuum is when you speed up quickly on an up hill road. Could be a small 4 cylinder with quick throttle response does have more vacuum than a v8 , what i have more experence with.
december105 4 years ago
yes, I put a vacuum gauge too it. I am ASE ceritfid with over 20 years expireance in the automotive field. I rebuilt the engine in the car, it's a VW Sirocco with an 1985 GTI engine 4cyl, with a euro specs head. The car fuel system operates on vacuum.
h2opower 4 years ago
Here is the math of the process:
At 1 ATM and 298K the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ
At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 K
At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are; W = P?V = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ
h2opower 4 years ago
notice the change in energy needed?
h2opower 4 years ago
Glad to see you back in full force dude!!!!
leeroyjenkinsii 4 years ago
That or you are boiling the water... lower pressure lowers water boiling point. You can see other videos on youtube that boil water at like - 20lb pressure. However, the begging was increadble h2o production in rainwater.
marthale7 4 years ago
I ran the math and the break down of water parallels the boiling point. It's a wonder no one ever figured this out before, but I am into chemistry and strength & mateirals, that's how I came up with the idea, using phase diagrams.
h2opower 4 years ago
hi did you have a frequency hitting the plates as well. a guy tells me if you get water/steam to foam it is near to running a engine. melvin
honda4004 4 years ago
I am just using a pwm for right now until I can get the new circuit and VIC's built. Rain water just seems to do that at first, with the bubbles.
h2opower 4 years ago
Note the old 31 tube WFC I used connectors that were not stainless steel, and they finally gave out. The WFC seen has 19 3x6 plates and is set up too use with a modified alternator, in that the negetive is comon and the positive is three plates each, so it is