The Philadelphia Experiment

[GalaticSpaceHero]

If it did happen then why hasnt any other country tried to duplicate it? Dont tell me the Aliens have controled your mind again. I think it Hoax! why hasnt any one tried to duplicate it? Theres your stargate to another planet.

[TheBillyJimish]

Too awesome...

Vaccuum tube powered time travel. All you need is "Love..." Oh, the love.

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Where is the rest of this movie?

[Tehui1974]

This was a good movie

[jDIllaSkrilla]

what year is this movie?

[ct92404]

@jDIllaSkrilla

The movie originally came out in 1984.

[madzndean]

lol they are trying to make it invisable? and when they do, they are supirsed and freaked out...because its invisable....lol

[maraseea]

@madzndean well.. they were actually trying to make it invisible to radar, but the ship went invisible completely. Also it the story i read is true, it invisible cause... well cause its not there, because it was teleported half way around the world. Im not sure if thats true but i want to believe its true

[docntuffy]

Great movie!!

[senorbellaco]

I thought the best scene was when they fired that rocket with the camera up into the vortex and they nearly shit their pants seeing the ship in there with the town that had disappeared.

[Bitrunner1]

All your ship are belong to us!

[AUROKONTHEDREAMER]

I have a problem believing everhthing that is said those in power have done wrong. I need to be a bit more skeptical.

However, I don't trust them for a minute.

[pree97]

this is real!!!

[repzard99]

yes, the story itself is a conspiracy as well, yes it started as a legend because an anonymous spoke up about it. and later admitted it to be a hoax, because he wasnt seeing a dime on his publicity. he sent notes to the top of the navy, those are official documents, they have been investigating ever since they got word of it, but once they found it a hoax, they let it go. Of course your gonna see other things, because as you said yourself, it conspirator BS. u get last word, good talking to ya

[repzard99]

I am saying it is unlikely, considering theres more evidence against it. but hey w/e it could have happened i'm not ruling it out, either way its an intersting story. Good to see another fan out there too of the film lol.

[ct92404]

What I'm saying is that the Philadelphia Experiment started as a legend which may or may not have happened. My interpretation of it is strictly confined to the original story...that the Navy did an experiment in 1943 to make a ship invisible to radar, and something strange happened during that experiment. The problem is that conspiracy theorists try to claim that it was part of an ongoing project and part of some bigger government conspiracy.

[ct92404]

The strongest evidence I've seen so far that it did NOT happen is that apparently they've interviewed former crew members who were on the Eldridge during the time the experiment supposedly took place, and they said that nothing unusual had happened and they were just on routing training exercises.

On the other hand, I've seen books which actually showed copies of official documents with a "Project Rainbow" listed, which was the code for the Philadelphia Experiment. So I don't know...

[mistermarcel22]

yes they said that but maybe they can't said the true becaus they get kicked out of the marine or kille when they said the true (n sorry for my bad english)

[repzard99]

yes but you are contradicted yourself, The Eldrisdge project was only brought into public view because of a gentleman who claims he witnessed it, said it happened and sent a science fiction book about UFOs, with notes of his own about what had happened. The book got out and made money, and he saw nothing from it, because he stayed anonymous. So he came out finally and said it was a hoax, and when the publicity came back, so did his views on the subject.  Im not saying it didn't happen,

[repzard99]

The Philadelphia Experiment was a naval military experiment at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Pennsylvania, The destroyer escort USS Eldridge was to be rendered invisible  to human observers for brief moments of time

Its regarded as a hoax, the U.S. Navy, of course, maintains that no such experiment occurred, and the story itself contradicts the Eldridge's history. is it real? probably not. Conspiracy theorists believe what u want. and u ct92404, have you seen the sequel, its not bad.

[ct92404]

I don't think it's hoax. I do believe the Navy actually did an experiment with some sort of device that generated a powerful electromagnetic field, to render the ship invisible to radar. That part actually seems plausible. Radar is a radio wave, and it's possible a magnetic field could deflect or distort the return signal, especially if the field was oscillated at high frequency. And I do think it's possible something very strange happened...

[ct92404]

I'll even go as far as to say maybe the did become optically invisible, because the field could have distorted visible light. (A magnetic field can change the polarization of visible light. It's called the "Faraday Effect.") And if you really stretch your imagination, I'll even grant that it's POSSIBLE some other even weirder things happened, like maybe it really did disappear for a moment.

[ct92404]

...BUT the problem is that people try to lump the Philadelphia Experiment with a bunch of other BS conspiracy theories about UFO's and New Age crap. It's gotten so muddled that it's hard to separate the original story. That's why I say all I know is that the Navy did some kind of an experiment with an electronic device on a ship, and something weird might have happened. That's all I believe.

And yeah, I saw the sequel and I thought it totally SUCKED. It was nothing like the original.

[doctortragedy2]

I've never seen this movie. Did they leave in the part where men were fused to the bulk, mast and ship deck and dying?

[ct92404]

Yeah, that is shown in one scene near the end of the movie, when the ship reappears. I first saw this movie when I was a kid and that scene really freaked me out.

[technologykeepsgoing]

The ship did do what you see and I can explain it too now!!! No jokes and the answer is right in front of there faces that makes me correct to this experiment.

[technologykeepsgoing]

its called an experiment right ? They tried to figure out a way to make the ship invisible and did not know how to control it is why but I found out all the Whys and hows they can control it guys !!!

[tranurse]

i kind of agree wiht ct92404, i think it was an experiment to make it radar invisible, and it didn't work quite the way they thought it was. i think people did die, and the navy stopped after that. i don't think aliens were involve, or any weird conspiracy other than people died and they tried to cover that up, nothing else.

[ct92404]

Ok look guys...I do NOT believe in conspiracy theories. Please don't email me anymore about UFO's, "chemtrails" or the so-called "Montauk Project" or whatever. It think it is POSSIBLE the Navy actually did some kind of experiment with an electromagnetic device to make a ship invisible to enemy RADAR. And MAYBE something strange happened. But that's as far as I'll go.

I mainly posted this video because it was one of my favorite science fiction movies as a kid. That's all.

[billthestinker]

some men went insane, others were embedded into the structure of the ship

[BlakeMason2]

I have met eye-witnesses of the Philly experiment. They were awfully convincing!

[ct92404]

You gotta be really careful though...there are a lot of wild conspiracy theorists out there, and they'll tell you crazy stories and like to embellish on the original story. Some of them can be very convincing, even though their stories are total BS. There was one guy who claimed to be a witness of the experiment...I think his name was Al Biek or something like that. He was debunked a long time ago, but people still believe him.

[ct92404]

I think the Navy did some kind of experiment and something weird happened...but beyond that, I'm not sure what to believe. It's really hard to know what the real story was, because conspiracy theorists have added a lot of bogus stuff to it over the years. Like some of them try to say UFO's were involved!!

[KEAUQ]

Michael Pare was cool for awhile ! I remember him in the Greastest American Hero & Streets of Fire (man everybody has to see that again, one of the coolest stylish films ever shot along with Rumble Fish) but yeah I love the philidelphia experiment I grew up renting this over and over again, what a film, I vaguely remember a sequel with a tom berenger lookalike that was pretty terrible.

[ThundaLippz]

yea this is one movie hollywood should remake.make erie,creepy, and thought provoking.

[mmyyddddd]

whats it about?

[dodgedart74]

supposedy a real event, they tested some tesla coils, tuned it into the same frequency as the ship, did something to a moleculer state that made the ship dissapear, but when they shut it off men were found melted into the sleel floors and into the walls, but without burning, they had started to become one with the ship. crazyness, well cheers

[crazialbanian25]

wait that shit could realy happen

[ct92404]

No one really knows for sure IF the Navy actually did an experiment like this, or what it was really about. The original story I've always heard (and what the movie was about) was that it was an experiment to hide a ship from radar, by using some kind of electromagnetic field. Then something weird happened. I'm not sure what to think beyond that.

[sk8888ordie]

your close but what acctually happened was they were just turning on a mer-ka-ba field or star-tetrahedron energy field around the ship. When turned on would basically teleport the object/person interdimensionally and without direction. If they had an intent where to go and when to come back the ship would go there or then and then return at the intended time

[ct92404]

Ok, now you've definitely gone off the deep end dude. That was NEVER the story of what happened. You need to stop reading conspiracy theories and crap New Age websites. I've been interested in the Philadelphia Experiment for YEARS, probably since before you were even born. It was an experiment to make a ship invisible to radar. There were no aliens, no star-tehrahedron field (there is NO such thing), and there is no such thing as the Montauk Project.

[sk8888ordie]

It would be better if they just made it more realistic. because this really did happen. Almost exactly how you see it I've personally talked to one of the survivors of the experiment, Duncan Cameron look him up

[ct92404]

I just did a search for "Duncan Cameron" and his name only comes up on bogus conspiracy theory websites relating to something called the "Montauk Project." The Montauk Project is a total BS story that was just a spin-off from the legend of the Philadelphia Experiment. The REAL experiment (if there was one) was only to try to generate electromagnetic interference to make a ship invisible to radar. And MAYBE optically invisible by distorting light waves.

[ct92404]

And just because you talked to someone who claimed to be a survivor doesn't mean he actually is one. I'm not saying you didn't talk to him...I'm saying that some people can be extremely convincing and you might have been duped. That Al Biek guy had people fooled for years, even after he was debunked.

[cocoacity1]

Michael Pare MADE this movie. He is awesome!

[jychristy]

This is my favourite movie ever. i love this scene as well. im surprised not many people know about this movie.

[jpoux27]

Well anyways I'm going to have deepened courses of physic from january 09. I guess I will understand better these concepts, until then I'll check out that book Entangled Systems" by Audretsch. Thanks

[HerculesSpock]

That's cool. It's funny how we went from talking about teleportation, to bees. lol For the bees, I wonder if their knowledge is communicated by releasing chemicals into their surroundings that they can detect, like a scent. It would really be nice to be able to teleport to work instead of driving.

[jpoux27]

That could be it too. One thing is sure though, they're one of the most amazing being on earth.

[jpoux27]

Well I just thought that if telepathy is possible, maybe teleportation is possible as well. There is also another theorie of which the bee would dance to inform its mates, but that does'nt explain the communication of remote spots where other bees come up before time the bee would have had to get back to the ness.

[jpoux27]

wheeler demonstrated nonlocal effect of photons. he did'nt demonstrate action at distance. I just came up with that cause it seems to be related to the bee language, some sort of telepathy. I'll take a look at your book

[HerculesSpock]

What is bee language? Telepathy is not a subject in physics. There is a major difference between non-local effects, or properties of quantum theory, and action at a distance, which is a classical notion. This is a good discussion by the way.

[jpoux27]

I would seem that the bees can cummunicate at distance in no time. My knowledge theory teacher brought this up. when a bee goes out to gather pollen and finds a spot, the entire community would be made aware of the given spot almost instantly, the same would happen when a potential danger comes up, the community would also feel the loss of one of them. They are proven to be great mathematicians as well just the haxagones of their ness are amazing, the smallest circonference, for the largest aera

[HerculesSpock]

The wavefunction does not collapse it is not a physical object in space. You clearly have a naive understanding of quantum theory. I don't have to reformulate anything in my assertions. Read the book that I recommended and you will see.

[jpoux27]

oh really I did'nt know a wave was'nt a object. Thanks for the insight! I'm just saying that there are phenomena that seem to disregard the rules of classical physic. The delayed demonstrated that quantum phenomena exist only in potentia(which I'm sure you know), until a decison is made, by a conscious choice, as to how they are to be perceived, even if the choice is made retroactively although there is an immediate nonlocal effect happening beyond the speed of light.

[HerculesSpock]

Well of course they seem to disregard classical notions but that is typical of quantum theory. People have a tendency to try to interpret everything on classical grounds, but this is quantum theory. You are making this mistake, assuming that there is this "faster than light" notion. Read pages 130-131 of Audretsch, pages 165-166, and pages 186-188. Also I don't appreciate your condescending tone. Don't confuse a wave function for a wave.

[jpoux27]

Once-corrolated quantum objects remain linked even when separated by vast distances, if the probalistic wave of one object is collapsed to make a particular observation, the other object is affected as well in no time. Action at distance(bee language).

[HerculesSpock]

Once again, you are assuming that I am being arrogant, I am simply speaking in terms of what we currently know in physics, and you are mistaking it for arrogance. Good luck in engineering.

[jpoux27]

Just formulate your assertion differently. It is currently impossible to teleport objects as far as we know. "uncertainty principles" It has been proven by wheeler (delayed choice) that there are phenomena of nonlocality with quantum objects and action at distance. So if electrons can disappear and reappear at another place without going through the space between, then everything might be possible. Anyways, I don't have to prove anything here. I just hate these absolute sentences such as yours.

[HerculesSpock]

You don't know what you are saying. You say it is "currently" impossible. Don't hold your breath. Also, you are confusing the teleportation concept of science fiction with quantum teleportation. These are not the same thing. Read the book "Entangled Systems" by Audretsch. It has not been proven by Wheeler that there is action at a distance, nothing is traveling instantaneously, you simply have two systems that are correlated through the initial preparation procedure.

[jpoux27]

The day you have done your thesis on quantum mechanic concepts and had it acknowledged by the scientific community, you'll be in position to pretend what's possible, until then keep some humility

[HerculesSpock]

I am a PhD in nuclear physics you prick.

[blkbishop112]

Albert Eisenstein was involved in this experiment. I'm not sure yet, if Telsa had any working proto types or even on paper before the FBI took everything. I'm reading the book The Telsa Papers, awesome book.

[HerculesSpock]

Tesla

[blkbishop112]

oops

[HerculesSpock]

That's cool, Tesla was a smart man.

[Konfuusio]

A good decent film from the 80s. I remember this film mostly from the massive time vortex sucking the sky.

[HerculesSpock]

The idea of radar and magnetic "invisibility" came about during WWII, and ships were "de-Gaussed" so that they would not set off magnetic mines. With the development of radar, the question of radar invisibilty also came about which we of course see with stealth aircraft today. But it is not physically possible to teleport an object, nothing in physics could allow this. However as a child this story fascinated me and I am now a physicist.

[jpoux27]

I hate to hear you say something is impossible

[HerculesSpock]

Too bad, but that's physics.

[jpoux27]

I'm starting aeronautical engineering, I guess you know a whole lot more than I do, But I hate hear someone pretending something to be impossible. There will ever be things over you head.

[HerculesSpock]

You may hate it but that's physics. I don't have to pretend to know, I know. Maybe you should study physics instead of aeronautical engineering. There are things over everyone's head, and I am not claiming to be perfect as you assume, but I'd like to see you prove that this sort of thing is possible. Good luck violating the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

[TheGoGoCommandos]

De Broglie waves..look 'em up...all matter gives out waves...through quantum theory you should be able to take these waves and trace them back to source predicing/confirming where all the given matter is!:)

[TheGoGoCommandos]

Sorry this was an answer to herculesspock's assertion that you couldn't beat the heisenberg yncertainty principle! Somebody shuffled my comment though!

[HerculesSpock]

And? What's your point?

[Thaargler]

This bought back memories to me. In the 1960's I was in the Air Force. In the radar trade. In training we were told that everybody was trying to make planes etc invisible to radar. Then we were shown a short black and white movie. It was a poor quality movie.. It showed a ship disappearing! Our instructor cynically told us that "the Yanks have made another slight error!" Nothing more was said as it was all meant to be top secret. We talked about it and got drunk. Maybe it was faked. Who knows!?

[Twitchin07]

where can i find the full video to watch ?

[ct92404]

It's an old movie (from 1984), so you'll have to see if you can rent it from a video store. It's also on DVD, but I've only been able to find it online, like at Amazon, etc. I downloaded it using bittorrent, so you might want to try searching on file sharing sites.

[lambywinkle]

I heard the myth, and I've just seen a documentary, I really like to think this realy happened!!! Really Messed up though

[beautifulprincessM]

son of a b*tch they are trying this again

watch?v=9p-_dgHQuyc

[nothingisrealiamthe]

where did the ship go?

[ct92404]

In the movie, it disappeared for probably several minutes or maybe up to an hour, and then reappeared. It didn't really go to another place, but was just de-materialized and went into hyperspace, sort of another dimension. The ship was transformed from matter into energy. It's weird...you have to watch the movie. And in the movie, a lot of other stuff happens after the experiment. You should see it if you like science-fiction. It's a pretty cool movie.

[awsomehighvoltage]

thats cool! im going to watch that movie!

did they realy try an experiment like that?

[ct92404]

Supposedly, the Navy really did do some kind of experiment like this in 1943. Well, that's the story anyway. It's kind of a legend, no one really knows how much of it is true. I think it's possible they did some kind of experiment to make a ship invisible to radar, and something weird happened. But I don't really know how much of the story is true.

[chandraalmond]

The conspiracy theorist in me loves this story. I've read that Tesla thought he could make himself invisible in such a way. Ever see Hollow Man? It's loosely based on the possibility of quantum phase shifting.

[ct92404]

I've never read anything about Tesla working on invisbility. Probably the best (and most reliable) biographies about him are "Man Out of Time" and "Nikola Tesla: Master of Lightning," both by Margaret Cheney. "Prodigal Genius" by John O'Neil is a good one too. But there's a lot of junk out there and you really have to be careful about what you read and believe. Some books would make you believe Tesla built a UFO and lives in a secret base in Peru!

[ct92404]

...but about the Philadelphia Experiment, I think it's definitely possible the Navy did some kind of experiment to make a ship invisible to radar. Theoretically, it's plausible. Radar is a form of a radio transmission, so it could be deflected or distorted by a strong electromagnetic field. Then maybe the experiment got out of control and some other very strange things happened. Heck, maybe the ship even did disappear! But beyond that, I'm not really sure what to think about it.

[CrashByron]

Thanks, I will have to watch that one.