Its funny how people thinks this is fake and its not. Good work man! Would take me a long time to learn to play it on this. Im going to stay with my conventional piano XD
Furry Lise? Is this some girl you know? As a guitarist, piano baffles me, it all looks the same all the way up, Piano Accordian is even more confusing, a keyboard on one side and a hundred lookalike buttons on the other, and here you are making the sound of a piano with something that looks like the button side of an accordian. Sounds great, but now I'm dizzy and have to lie down, lol...
I simply don't get why there's so many unlikes, I think it's just awesome man!!! until now I didn't even knew keyboards like that exist. pretty fuckin' awesome if u ask me! :)
nth-ing the bafflement of the dislikes. It does say "as seen on: reddit" so there may have been an avalanche of... *checks* nope, they're just as baffled on r:piano.
What's amazing is that the Thummer demo sounds almost identical in tone (although the song choice is more brash and less musical, IMO), and only has one dislike.
I think the dislikes are people wondering why someone would spend the time to learn how to play this piece of music on this piece of gear and not on a real piano. This video is cool but it would be really cool if this person was an amazing pianist also. Great musicians are becoming less and less due to new equipment making it much easier for people to appear to be musicians without really having to be.
@eliassailor It's interesting that you use the phrase "real piano", as though this interface were somehow less-so real, less legitimate. But what would you say if I proposed that this interface were the more "real" of the two? ;-)
I would argue that because you're not actually causing anything to vibrate that it's somewhat less of an instrument. Similarly, since the buttons aren't as sensitive to different dynamics, perhaps the full range of emotions possible on a conventional piano aren't there. Similarly, tone-wise it doesn't sound nearly as full or rich as a real piano.
This isn't to diminish your accomplishment in learning it as I'm sure you've invested just as much time as if it were a piano
@ZeppelinRules I think we're addressing the *interface*, not implementation. Both a jammer keyboard and a standard piano interface can exist in higher and lower quality (tone quality, weight and feel, dynamic response, etc), but it seems that the original poster was hinting that the actual interface of a jammer (the arrangements of the notes) was somehow less "real", and that this is from where the down-votes stemmed.
@ZeppelinRules So no electronic music is real music? There are quite a few brilliant composers from our past who would staunchly disagree with you (John Cage, Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, to name a few). As for dynamics, Bach wrote most of his collected piano works on a harpsichord, which had no dynamics whatsoever. No does it sound as full and rich as a piano.
Stop applying such arbitrary rules to what is and is not music. You're only making a fool of yourself.
@ZeppelinRules Of course something is being caused to vibrate! The literal "instrument" in this case is a speaker, but analogue sound is still very much being produced from a digital source.
@ZeppelinRules Even if it lacks velocity-sensitivity, it can be added. The Yamaha CS-80 had velocity sensitive keys.
And if you wanted to change it to a harpsichord, you wouldn't need that. Unless you're being silly and want to play Bach on a piano with only one register.
@JLMoriart Ignoring the learning curve, that interface would be way more efficient than long space-hogging keys.
It's also worth noting, if people want to be so "picky" about realism, they should play beethoven on meantone temperament rather than equal temperament which came out when all of those guys were dead! I never could stand hearing Chopin on equal temperament...
Why the Fuck does this have so many dislikes?Granted the synth piano sound is a little shitty but I just watched someone play it completely wrong on the stylophone with with like a thousand likes. I'm going to bed a confused man over this.
@leakeg Thanks, though I didn't spend much time on HT I find WH technically easier to play. Scales, chords, riffs, etc. The main reason though is that it has a deep tie in with music theory. WH embodies some deep tie ins with music theory that the HT does not. That is useful theoretically in teaching, learning, and composing, but it also allows you to do things that you couldn't on HT, including play in an infinite number of alternate tunings (with the same fingering).
@leakeg Exactly. If I had my jammer set to 19-tet, I could play exactly what I played in this video, and it would come out in 19-equal divisions of the octave. Same for 17-edo, 31-edo, 53-edo, and an infinite number of other "meantone" tunings. That's a whole new degree of expressive freedom right there.
It also allows you to play in tunings with completely alien tonal structures that wouldn't even make sense in terms of western theory, which is where the fun really starts ;-)
@JLMoriart oh so you could use the same fingerings to play this song in 19-tet and you'd still be hitting the correct intervals (i.e. it would sound, approximately, the same)?
@leakeg Exactamundo =) The way the keyboard interface relates the different tunings so that the intervals sound, approximately, the same is the link into theory that the WH layout has (and the HT lacks). If you're curious, just google Dynamic Tonality and download 2032, a free synth that turns your computer keyboard into into an isomorphic keybaord with the WH layout (!) and allows you to change the tunings in real time (!!) while messing with other things like totally whacked out timbres (!!!)
Why were there 226 dislikes and only 18 likes on this clip? I don't see anything to dislike about this clip. There must some idiot out there with a lot of time in his hands to dislike this clip 226 times.
Thanks :) ... I wonder how it compares to a horizontally played isomorphic keyboard , although currently I can't afford either of the two. Still , no doubt better than piano layout . More specifically , does having keys closer together in a honeycomb pattern make vertical playing better than horizontal (for example the janko layout or such )
Its good to see you up on YouTube again. Re: the Jammer or Axis format... it is suppose to be ergonomic, yet I largely see only 3 fingers being used...isn't that an underuse potential of fingers? ...or conversely, with a more efficient system maybe only 3 fingers are all that are needed? Still as one trained on the harp, I miss the need/use of the thumb... Overall, I LIKE seeing boundaries explored. Thanks for posting John and look forward to more vocals as well.
@c33r0k33 Thanks for taking a listen =) I'd go with the latter: A more efficient system needs less fingers. (I use three always, four often, and never the thumb). Though the note layout on this instrument gives me options for using many fingers at once, nothing has called for that yet, melodically or harmonically.
Who knows though, maybe an instrument like this will eventually change performance styles, and chords will be voiced to take advantage of more fingers.
pretty cool, wish i could keep track of both hands moving like that, bravo :)
MsDentalArt 3 weeks ago
Its funny how people thinks this is fake and its not. Good work man! Would take me a long time to learn to play it on this. Im going to stay with my conventional piano XD
tipoo0189 3 weeks ago
Furry Lise? Is this some girl you know? As a guitarist, piano baffles me, it all looks the same all the way up, Piano Accordian is even more confusing, a keyboard on one side and a hundred lookalike buttons on the other, and here you are making the sound of a piano with something that looks like the button side of an accordian. Sounds great, but now I'm dizzy and have to lie down, lol...
BackToTheBlues 3 weeks ago
The like-bar looks like Darth Vader's lightsaber. Let's turn it into Yoda's lightsaber. May the force be with you O_o
Aidschent2 1 month ago
So many dislikes D: this is amazing :D
Yorgan01 1 month ago
The likes and dislikes are mirrored too =)
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I simply don't get why there's so many unlikes, I think it's just awesome man!!! until now I didn't even knew keyboards like that exist. pretty fuckin' awesome if u ask me! :)
jessennn606 1 month ago
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jessennn606 1 month ago
unless the video has been mirrored, it's strange that you play high notes with your left hand and low notes with your right.
good work, though
MiregalForges 1 month ago
@MiregalForges You're right, the video is mirrored and I forgot to undo it : P
It's neat though because a left handed person *COULD* play it the way it looks like I played it in this video, and use his dominant hand for melody.
JLMoriart 1 month ago
Not to bad
p2bable 1 month ago
haha people think its fake but its not
kc9hyr2 2 months ago 2
lol i though at first you were realy doing it, then i figured uot u realy wernt, but good job anways, im liking this cause its kinda funny :D
olddog5655 2 months ago
@olddog5655 Just for the record, this actually IS me, playing live. And what I'm playing IS a real instrument, called a "jammer keyboard".
Thanks for watching anyway! : )
JLMoriart 2 months ago
I hate Fur Elise. But i can't put unlike, coz that's a hell machine and it's too strange ))
IronIronMark 2 months ago
8O what the .. what kind of machine is that ? XD but its pretty cool
xoxLoveToCreatexox 2 months ago
People are probably disliking because they think it's fake, like the guy just painted his Settlers of Catan board and faked it.
stude444 2 months ago 2
wow, the top comments are wondering how so many dislikes? so confusing.... well good job none the less
blinx503 2 months ago
710 people do not understand isomorphisms.
amyodov 2 months ago 3
Fighting dislikes. +1 up
StbLexBoussole 2 months ago
Very very nice work, very nice midi controller and key assignment, haha maybe I'll break out something and do moonlight sonata xD
FurryMouko 2 months ago
well done!
ForcesOfRandom 2 months ago
Yeah, I don't quite get the dislikes, either. It's a unique musical instrument, and a fairly decent performance, considering. I find it interesting.
fleebness 2 months ago
nth-ing the bafflement of the dislikes. It does say "as seen on: reddit" so there may have been an avalanche of... *checks* nope, they're just as baffled on r:piano.
metamaterial 2 months ago
OUT OF SYNC
CallMeCooper 3 months ago
@CallMeCooper OUT OF REAL FRIENDS
siperdellyeer 2 months ago
Not understanding all the dislikes o.o
zildjianx 3 months ago
I think once people started to see red appear, they just went with the flow:/ Re-upload! I'm sure you'll get tons of likes cuz this is awesome:D
InfiniteGrenades 3 months ago
The dislikes are from people that doesn't get the point. You did a great job!
OktoberStorm 3 months ago
Thumbing you up because it's a great vid, and hell - you don't deserve any of those dislikes! Keep going dude!
slafle 3 months ago
What's amazing is that the Thummer demo sounds almost identical in tone (although the song choice is more brash and less musical, IMO), and only has one dislike.
formicFabricant 3 months ago
Hooray! I added another like. To get rid of all that red crap. :D
oboegirl719 3 months ago 10
@oboegirl719 You are too kind :]
JLMoriart 3 months ago
I think the dislikes are people wondering why someone would spend the time to learn how to play this piece of music on this piece of gear and not on a real piano. This video is cool but it would be really cool if this person was an amazing pianist also. Great musicians are becoming less and less due to new equipment making it much easier for people to appear to be musicians without really having to be.
It's all music.. whatever. Just saying.
eliassailor 3 months ago
@eliassailor It's interesting that you use the phrase "real piano", as though this interface were somehow less-so real, less legitimate. But what would you say if I proposed that this interface were the more "real" of the two? ;-)
JLMoriart 3 months ago 4
@JLMoriart
I would argue that because you're not actually causing anything to vibrate that it's somewhat less of an instrument. Similarly, since the buttons aren't as sensitive to different dynamics, perhaps the full range of emotions possible on a conventional piano aren't there. Similarly, tone-wise it doesn't sound nearly as full or rich as a real piano.
This isn't to diminish your accomplishment in learning it as I'm sure you've invested just as much time as if it were a piano
ZeppelinRules 3 months ago
@ZeppelinRules I think we're addressing the *interface*, not implementation. Both a jammer keyboard and a standard piano interface can exist in higher and lower quality (tone quality, weight and feel, dynamic response, etc), but it seems that the original poster was hinting that the actual interface of a jammer (the arrangements of the notes) was somehow less "real", and that this is from where the down-votes stemmed.
I'd say it was the other way around though ;-)
JLMoriart 3 months ago 2
@ZeppelinRules So no electronic music is real music? There are quite a few brilliant composers from our past who would staunchly disagree with you (John Cage, Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Philip Glass, to name a few). As for dynamics, Bach wrote most of his collected piano works on a harpsichord, which had no dynamics whatsoever. No does it sound as full and rich as a piano.
Stop applying such arbitrary rules to what is and is not music. You're only making a fool of yourself.
bluekalyx 3 months ago
@ZeppelinRules Of course something is being caused to vibrate! The literal "instrument" in this case is a speaker, but analogue sound is still very much being produced from a digital source.
mattresssurveyor 2 months ago
@ZeppelinRules Even if it lacks velocity-sensitivity, it can be added. The Yamaha CS-80 had velocity sensitive keys.
And if you wanted to change it to a harpsichord, you wouldn't need that. Unless you're being silly and want to play Bach on a piano with only one register.
raymangold22 2 months ago
@JLMoriart Ignoring the learning curve, that interface would be way more efficient than long space-hogging keys.
It's also worth noting, if people want to be so "picky" about realism, they should play beethoven on meantone temperament rather than equal temperament which came out when all of those guys were dead! I never could stand hearing Chopin on equal temperament...
raymangold22 2 months ago
man this is one of the most amazing video's i've ever seen! great job!
futuremtt 3 months ago
How. the......... WHY THE DISLIKE?
theacematt2 4 months ago
Why the fuck do people hate this video?... It exemplifies extraordinary skill... wha...
PrimalLight2323 4 months ago
Why the Fuck does this have so many dislikes?Granted the synth piano sound is a little shitty but I just watched someone play it completely wrong on the stylophone with with like a thousand likes. I'm going to bed a confused man over this.
DrBoobY2K 4 months ago
Great video. In your opinion why is the Wicki-Hayden Note Layout better than the harmonic table?
leakeg 4 months ago
@leakeg Thanks, though I didn't spend much time on HT I find WH technically easier to play. Scales, chords, riffs, etc. The main reason though is that it has a deep tie in with music theory. WH embodies some deep tie ins with music theory that the HT does not. That is useful theoretically in teaching, learning, and composing, but it also allows you to do things that you couldn't on HT, including play in an infinite number of alternate tunings (with the same fingering).
JLMoriart 4 months ago
@JLMoriart How do you mean alternate tunings? Such as 19-TET or something like that?
leakeg 4 months ago
@leakeg Exactly. If I had my jammer set to 19-tet, I could play exactly what I played in this video, and it would come out in 19-equal divisions of the octave. Same for 17-edo, 31-edo, 53-edo, and an infinite number of other "meantone" tunings. That's a whole new degree of expressive freedom right there.
It also allows you to play in tunings with completely alien tonal structures that wouldn't even make sense in terms of western theory, which is where the fun really starts ;-)
JLMoriart 4 months ago
@JLMoriart oh so you could use the same fingerings to play this song in 19-tet and you'd still be hitting the correct intervals (i.e. it would sound, approximately, the same)?
(Thanks for the replies by the way!)
leakeg 4 months ago
@leakeg Exactamundo =) The way the keyboard interface relates the different tunings so that the intervals sound, approximately, the same is the link into theory that the WH layout has (and the HT lacks). If you're curious, just google Dynamic Tonality and download 2032, a free synth that turns your computer keyboard into into an isomorphic keybaord with the WH layout (!) and allows you to change the tunings in real time (!!) while messing with other things like totally whacked out timbres (!!!)
JLMoriart 4 months ago
@JLMoriart oh sweet, that sounds awesome, I'll check it out! Keep up the good work guy.
leakeg 4 months ago
I've seen hate videos with less dislikes then this darn
jc2000465 4 months ago
Looks hard
RobBrooksMusic 4 months ago
Great vid. Don't understand the dislikes.
wdblogic 4 months ago 24
Man, how do you even get so man dislikes?
evercharmer 5 months ago
Why so many dislikes? :S
Whamesl0l 5 months ago
Why were there 226 dislikes and only 18 likes on this clip? I don't see anything to dislike about this clip. There must some idiot out there with a lot of time in his hands to dislike this clip 226 times.
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Thanks :) ... I wonder how it compares to a horizontally played isomorphic keyboard , although currently I can't afford either of the two. Still , no doubt better than piano layout . More specifically , does having keys closer together in a honeycomb pattern make vertical playing better than horizontal (for example the janko layout or such )
ZeroOne337 10 months ago
how many octaves does this actually span?
ZeroOne337 10 months ago
@ZeroOne337 Over Seven Octaves, about the same as a full size piano keyboard.
JLMoriart 10 months ago
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ZeroOne337 10 months ago
Its good to see you up on YouTube again. Re: the Jammer or Axis format... it is suppose to be ergonomic, yet I largely see only 3 fingers being used...isn't that an underuse potential of fingers? ...or conversely, with a more efficient system maybe only 3 fingers are all that are needed? Still as one trained on the harp, I miss the need/use of the thumb... Overall, I LIKE seeing boundaries explored. Thanks for posting John and look forward to more vocals as well.
c33r0k33 11 months ago
@c33r0k33 Thanks for taking a listen =) I'd go with the latter: A more efficient system needs less fingers. (I use three always, four often, and never the thumb). Though the note layout on this instrument gives me options for using many fingers at once, nothing has called for that yet, melodically or harmonically.
Who knows though, maybe an instrument like this will eventually change performance styles, and chords will be voiced to take advantage of more fingers.
JLMoriart 11 months ago
RESPEKT!!!
98patmar 1 year ago
John, bravo! You are the jammer wizard at this point...
wjcroft 1 year ago
Nicely played on this unconventional piano keyboard. I bet it will take months or even years for me to get as good at it! That's my worry...
klemens3333 1 year ago
woow very nice
keyBartekGxd 1 year ago
this appears to be shot in a mirror - the right hand is on the right.... is that correct? or did you switch the music each hand was playing???
hiltonius 1 year ago
@hiltonius That's right, photobooth flips the video so my right hand is on the right of the video.
JLMoriart 1 year ago
super amazing
guitarDouchebaggery 1 year ago
This is *so* cool. Great job, John.
MusicScienceGuy 1 year ago