The PRC Forum - Julian Simon (3of6)

[queasyeasy]

Holy crap how did the Native Americans find happiness without much copper or high maths? They must have been miserable! I think we need more products, more TV and more modern life please! Yes, let's all get depressed about the idea that we're doomed! Orrrr, we could change our consumption modality and live well. Some people are held by their own psychosis, i.e. they NEED to be consumers, they need to buy a new car, etc. Simon is way ahead of his time, but also a voice from the past.

[queasyeasy]

Some people don't like Jules because he speaks beyond their little schema of how the world works which is starvation-based. But in fact, he speaks to the Cornucopian principle. His nemesis Paul Ehrlich just trotted out old Malthusian exponential bridges to a doomed future. LAME. Technology trumps alllll of that. Example might be: x% less copper now needed for internet because we phased it out and put in fiber lines, hence, copper is melted down and we need less in future. Thanks humans!

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy What a twat! You don't even see what is in front of your eyes. "We need less copper". Do you live in a cave? World copper production increased at over 3% annually for the past 20 years and is now therefore nearly double what it was 20 years ago. Recycling is not satisfying demand. The demand is greater than ever and the reason the US production is dropping is because the resource is being exhausted. Perhaps you would comment on Peak Oil as well.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 As I said, it is neurosis that makes you stupid, as well as your neighbors. That Bernays-induced neurosis makes you a dumb consumer. When you attack that dumbness, and your friend's dumbness as well, you will consume less. I understand false scarcity, and I understand false shortages, and I understand how generations of consumers are made, and also psychologically manipulated by TV and the consumption modality. When that changes, everything changes. But in your case.. No hope.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy You chimp! You are closer to those bacteria in Bartlett's bottle than you think. Blind to the reality that is just around the corner. Of course you will have to rethink your philosophy pretty quickly when your kids / grandkids ask you why you thought continued growth and consumption could ever be sustainable.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 Yes, and now all can see the true weakness of your mind, and your ideas. Go for it, tell me more how you see the future, it must be a bleak landscape inside your head. What ever will you do if you precious "doomed reality" is NOT just around the corner? Oh my god what will you if your airtight doom is trumped by people consuming less! You won't change tho, you'll still be a force for darkness, thinking you are "helping" the future generations. NEWSFLASH: You aren't.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy You are an immature clot!

My vision of the future is very bright. It is one in which simpletons like you are provided with a proper education and are brought to realise that they do not live in isolation from their environment.

"Just around the corner" Is a complete and utter irrelevance that the less self-centred can appreciate. Timescales are not important. Facts are. The effort we put in today to spread realisation of that will safeguard the future. Profligacy will not.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 Wow, so your vision of the future is to educate the non-consumptive-repurposers (re: the Native way) so they can learn how doomed they are according to your world view? You're stupid, and sadly, you cannot even identify your own neurosis. Keep talking to me here in these youtube comments cause I feel it can be very therapeutic for you. This is the only way to save Earth, is to explain the consumption-neurosis to Malthusian doom-shits like you, so we may as well do it here first.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy Your stupidity only acts to highlight your ignorance. You are so strung out on your newly aquired economic theory that you rush to tilt at every windmill you see. You should step back and take a deep breath before deciding how why you are preachingthis nonsense.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 I do not need to step back, and my thinking is not new. If you read my comments again, you will see that Julian Simon and myself and the Native American have the same idea, which is that Earth, provides foremost, the HUMAN as the greatest resource, unto itself.  I see you are traumatized by life and its modern harshness, but do not despair. The technical revolution which began with Internet in 1995 causes us all to be able to cure the collective neurosis, which you are displaying.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy You silly cunt. The Native Americans

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 Hah ok I got the silly cunt part, but it looks like you choked on your bile?

[Huttate1]

@Huttate1 You silly cunt. The Native Americans were instumental in wiping out megafauna. And if you think the internet started in 1995 you are very poorly educated indeed. I was on it in 1981.

I would suggest you disabuse yourself of the misinformation that has so obviously encroached upon you consciousness, illustrated continually by your basic lack of knowledge in the most fundamental areas.

Your opinions are meaningless when you so obviously lack the basic tools to form them.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 dumbass: Ah so the Natives were harming the Megafauna. Thanks so much for displaying the depth of your human-hating psychosis. HTML came around 1995 and that's what's what made youtube possible today so that I can embarrass/educate you here. What I mean is that we have only had about 15 years to unfuck humans like you who have diseased malthusian memes, I wasn't commenting on the history of TCPIP brought TCPIP online, I meant when it went mainstream.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy Not harming, wiping out. The native Americans did not consider the consequences because they did not have the knowledge that we now have [well not you obviously] Do you know as little of your own countries history as you do about economics?

just because it was not until Berners Lee gave us html that simpletons were able to access data across the internet does not mean that the more intelligent amongst us were not sharing knowledge long before - you see we dont all need pictures!

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy It has become more and more obvious that each time I make a point you have to disappear and do research, which provides you with less than a perfunctory education on the issue, before coming back with a badly considered and obviously uneducated response.

I suggest that you remedy your visibly poor education before trying to tackle subjects so evidently far beyond your ken.

[Huttate1]

"For this [supposed] $3 gallon of gasoline" Frightening isn't it!

In the UK it is nearer $8 a gallon. This man was, and will be rememered as, an idiot.

[xtoet]

The problem with many economists is that they don't understand how the natural world works.

[totallymassive]

Yes, government must implement policies to protect our resources for the future and not just use it all right now, so wait you dont want that... It's ok to be scared, dont say it's not ok. We must understand uncertainty of the situation before pressing forward we can not press forward with false confidence.

[queasyeasy]

Top ten minds of the 20th century: He's in the top three.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy A joke right? The man was an absolute imbecile. If you are yet to grasp fundamental concepts then I would suggest you look for "The most important video you will ever see" on here and then start to think about the earth's finite resources and burgening debt.

This man lived the good life and died childless. He never had to look his grandchildren in the face and explain himself to them.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 No joke: His point was valid. His point, since you missed it, is that the human being, through ingenuity, determines how much of a commodity, is needed. So this means that what took a pound of copper ten years ago, through human thought on the problem, now takes one tenth of that much copper, through human ingenuity, the amount available is increased. "Died childless"? He spoke to the primacy of motherhood, and to that of each human being.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 No joke: His point was valid. His point, since you missed it, is that the human being, through ingenuity, determines how much of a commodity, is needed. So this means that what took a pound of copper ten years ago, through human thought on the problem, now takes one tenth of that much copper, through human ingenuity, the amount available is increased. "Died childless"? He spoke to the primacy of motherhood, and to that of each human being.

[Huttate1]

@queasyeasy Your ignorance of basic maths is astounding. Copper, like all resources, is finite. It does not matter how much less you are taking. You are still taking. Eventually it will be gone! Simple Simon's view of the world is fine of the world is infinite in size and has infinite resources. Unfortunatley our world is not infinite and within our lifetime we are going to fall off a cliff.

Educate yourself.

[queasyeasy]

@Huttate1 Copper is finite, but the ability of humans to use less copper, is not. Look retard I understand how exponents work. I watched your old codger video "Most Important Ever", and I heard him discuss how we're all doomed according to Malthus-Ehrlic theories, but they are trying to make humans the enemy voa huge math projections on bad data. In fact, human nature is to be more frugal with their resources. It is neurosis that causes our present waste not human nature.

[meka4996]

Don't forget to take the Govt imposed inflation TAX into calculating price trend! =)

[morisZZZ]

i agree with julian simon, But as my theory if everyone think like us or him no one will look for the solution so we got to make look the problems bigger.

[HymerSchmidt]

Interesting point. Humans have not evolved to plan for extremely large groups, especially when shielded from their own planning.

You see the same thing in business, where every 10 people or so require their own manager. Government could never simulate that efficiency.

[kulza23]

4:37 - The seen and the unseen! Bastiat ftw!

[njneopatriot]

Failure and success are valuable lessons. As circumstances and the enviroment change so can the solutions. Before we can think outside the box we must develop an understanding of everything within; then we can explore the limitless possibilities beyond.

[eljefejesus]

Excellent videos