Hello Peter you must know that all these desires exists in every normal human being from the day one, but their fulfilment is not perfected by the creator in this world and hence perfected in the paradise as you quoted.
You basically are quite arrogant and that's why ignorant about what quran revealed 1400 ago that science just discovered in the last century and there are a lot to be discovered by science in future. You need a lot of research basically on this topic
Dear Peter, ALLAH is not testing his creations but we are sent in this world to obey ALLAH - If a teacher takes the exams for his students it does not mean that teacher is doubtful of his own knowledge! ALLAH is bigger teacher of all. He very well talk about his tests & rewards in Quran.
Before i answer your stillborn question lets understand this - Every Child who born is borned as a MUSLIM tht he submits his will to ALLAH & depending on the extrnal factor he deviates & depending on the time
A teachr taking a test is different from a supreme being taking test. When a teacher takes a test, since he or she is a human, and full of faults, can make mistakes. Allah, since by definition cannot err, has no need to take a test.
Thus when Allah tests mankind, Allah is indirectly revealing that he is uncertain of his own deeds.
I also have another question. Since the Southern Hemisphere's lower latitudes have continuous sunlight for 6 months in the time of Ramadan, a Muslim there would die if he or she were to observe a fast from sunrise to sunset. The sun sets there only after 6 months.
Also, bowing towards Mecca is not possible, because the Earth is curved.
I personally do not have much idea of people leaving at southern hemispere however people will be judged based on their ability to obey ALLAH. e.g. a handicap who can't perform NAMAZ coz of his illness then he would asked question on the day of judgement based on their ability. Similarly people leaving either at North or South hemisphere would be judged as per their ability to obey ALLAH. 2ndly Mecca is our Qibla i.e. direction to perform NAMAZ- so that every MUSLIM will have unique direction.
I think you mean, same direction and not unique direction.
However, since facing something is a linear aspect, and since the world is a sphere, this inevitably leads to the Muslims around the world unable to face the same direction, just by a flat-world interpretation of Mecca's location.
Direction does not mean Line of Sight - Its means facing towards one direction & Unique means one Kaaba & as you are aware Kaaba has four dimentional side that means Muslims leaving in any part of the world can face Kaaba. Kaaba being a direction does not mean that we Muslims worship Kaaba - Sahabis (Muslims at the time of prophet) used to stand on the Kaaba & used to call for the prayer. This is enough to prove that Kaaba is only a direction for us & Muslims do not worships Kaaba.
According to the writers of the Quran, the idea of facing Mecca for a uniform direction, would work, only if, as the writers of the time believed in a flat earth, the Earth wasn't spherical.
However, since modern science has shown that the Earth is a sphere, it means that it is impossible to face the Kaaba by facing the direction of the horizon. To really face the Kaaba, one would have to face the ground.
1st of all i would like to clarify that Quran is not been written by the people of that time - Its the book of ALLAH i.e. its word of GOD & applicable of all time & for complete universe. As far as your query is concerned, facing Kaaba does not mean that 1 has to put face on kaaba, this means your posture should be towards kaaba & for the sake of argument if i accept your logic then one part of our prayer is to perform Sujud in Namaz (bowing down on the ground) there our face hand etc face Kaaba
The Quran was compiled several years after Muhammad died.
On top of that, Arabic itself was not standardised around 300 years after Muhammad's death. Several versions existed, and many of them were destroyed by the various rulers of the time, when the contents proved detrimental to their reign.
Ppl hv various misconception abt compilation of Quran- Compilation of Quran was done at the time of prophet Mohammed (PBWH) itself on the piece of leather,bones,stones etc however at the time of Hazrat Uthman shape of book was given to those pieces. As arabic was mother tounge of Arabian thy used to pronounce Quran with their local accent & it was acutally changing the meaning of Quran- then it was decided to put Zer,Zabar etc to Quran & then it was sent across to king of major islamic countries
Arabic of the Quran is not the same as the one used during Muhammad's time.
Arabic had to be standardised for it to be common, and that happened around 1100 A.D and not before.
What you said about rocks, bones, etc., there were several versions of the Quran floating around at the time, and the one available today is the survivor among them. The rest were burnt and purged by the rulers of the time.
Frm tht time onward we Muslims are reading the Quran with their actual accent- & that became helpful to those who did not have their mother tounge as Arabic.Correct & complied version was very well available at the time of prophet Mohammed (PBWH) & its originality has not been changed & would never be changed as ALLAH himself has promised for the security of Quran.Most of the verses revealed at the time of prophet r getting discovered now which itself prove that Quran is word of GOD & r unchangd
No language on Earth has ever remained constant. Even English with all its sophistication, would be barely recognisable from the version used a mere 400 years ago.
Same with Arabic. And because Arabic was not standardised well until over 300 years after Muhammad died, it would definitely have been different from the one used at the time of Muhammad. This is even more true when the culture is basically nomadic, with no uniform standards.
No language on the Earth has ever remained constant but Arabic is coz till now its not proven that Arabic is changed from its anciant version. You have numerous copies of Quran available in the world but no two Arabic authentic copies are different. As i told you after Mohammed (PBWH) only the punctuations were added otherwise verses hv not been changed. Although various verses of quran were floating arnd but whole Quran has been remembred & recited by Sahabis(ppl present at the time of prophet)
What do you mean? Plenty of Qurans were destroyed by the earlier rulers, and one standard form issued. All this happened nearly 300 years after Muhammad died.
Arabic was standardised in the 1100s, and before that, there were so many varieties of it, some of them still exist today in the form of dialects.
Arabic has certainly not been unaffected by change, especially because it was the language of a nomadic people- which means it is more affected by time.
Later its been migrated to their children & so on. Hence the originality of Quran remain the same & this was taken care at the time of doing the puctuation works at the time of Hazrat Uthman. As Sahabis they were the masters of Arabic language they did not require puctuation but due to war post prophet (PBWH) various Sahabis were getting Shaheed (passing away) the need of converting those verses into book has aroused.
Various verses revealed 1400 years ago are proven by science now. For example Big Bang Theory mentioned in Quran in 21:30 (Chapter 21, Verse 30) - Do not the unbelivers see that the heavens & the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before we clove them asunder? Second: The spherical shape of earth (79:30) And the earth, moreover,Hath HE made dahaha (Ostrich-egg) shaped. Third: Light of moon is reflected light (25:61) - & there are many. Share your email id & i'll give all to u.
The Quran says that the Earth is spread out like a carpet, and that mountains hold that carpet in place- it is saying that the Earth is flat. Moreover, the Earth is not shaped like an ostrich's egg- it is nearly a perfect sphere, with flattening at the edges and a slight bulge at the equator- but this bulge is so minor, it is nowhere like an ovoid shape of the egg.
Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin", and not from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg. Thus it is the complete opposite to the concept of the roundness.
your interpretation are totally wrong and i speak of knowledge in Arabic language .
its really shows how ignorant you are .
"Daha" had more than one meaning ,and in one of the dialects their is "Dehia " from Daha which means Egg and the scholars has other
interpretation for this word . plus in quran their is lots of verses that tells the the earth is sphere (baidawyia) (rounded) either in a direct way or indirect way
This is taken from answering-islam & clarification i'm pasting for your reference.
Udhiya and Udhuwa are not root words. Udhiya is simply a singular of Dahyyaat. Udhuwa is the same word as Udhiya. Also, Deheya or Deheyya also means Udhiya. In the Arabic grammar, depending on the position of the word in the sentence, we sometimes substitute the pronunciation of the "y" with a "w". Udhiya and Udhuwa are not two different words. They are the same word.
The Arabic word "dahaha" is derived from the root word "dahya" which literally means "egg". Udhuwa is the reference to "dahya". In Arabic, words that are referenced are sometimes written differently. Udhuwa and "dahya" are written differently, but they mean the same word.
haha wot is gettin proven 2dai! there r more than 100 things from the quran that have been proven today. heres just a few of them. the unseen barrier between the flowing water. the sun revolving around its own axis. the reflection the moon. the big bang in a nutshell. the water cylce which is mentioned in gr8 detail. i can go on!!
noo dey werent reported by the greeks! das all u can say..show me sum evidence dat dey were reported by da greeks. dey tlked about sum so called science bak den bt nun of which was accurate!
"He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Quran, 55:19-20)."
HAHAHA! This garbage is unscientific! There is no strict barrier berween the flowing waters- there is an inclusion zone that is a mixture of the two different zones, and they gradually become one. Any fool can observe this by pouring salt into a glass of hot water and observing the dissolving process. No of need Quran to see this.
haha yes there is a barrier! this is even confirmed by an oceanologist by da name of Dr Haye. da point is da barrier between da 2 which was only discovered recently!..no1 at dat time put sweet n salt water 2getha to notice dis fact..dis is confirmed by oceanologists!
LOL, it is not a physical barrier, it is a zone of mixing.
Are you too stupid to realise this, or understand the meaning of the term?
There is no sudden wall or boundary between the two waters- there's merely a zone of mixing- just like the salty water in the glass I mentioned earlier. Over time, the waters exchange and flow, and the cycle repeats.
The molecules in a single glass of water will spread all over the planet in as little as 7 years. If there were barriers, this wouldnt be.
no u idiot..in oceanology there is a barrier which seperates da 2 types of water so dey hav dere own features e.g.temperature n density. n dis barrier is SLANTED n UNSEEN for wen da water mixes 2gtha. n dis barrier is a homogenizing area for da waters! im tellin u scientists have even confirmed dis!
HAHA! You fail to understand simple, scientific language. Have you heard of the Amazon? The water from it at its mouth causes the sea water to be pushed outward, and thus on the map, large areas of the coast at the mouth of this river is fresh water. The natives knew this thousands of years before the nomads wrote about this in the Quran.
People have known for ages that not all ocean water is equally salty. The Quran says that the waters never mix- but in reality, they do!
i fail to undastand?? i am spking FACTS. ur spkin ur own opinion! do sum research u twat! i am givin u 100% facts from oceanologists! nt sum opinions from wot i fink is correct! noo if dey knew dis 1000's of yrz ago den y are all oceanologists jus confirming it as a new fact wich was deiscovered recently. seriously do sum research den cm bak to me! im tellin u facts!
People have known for ages that the ocean waters have varying salinity.
Name the oceanographer in full, and I might comment more elaborately.
But what the Quran mentions is only partly true, and that too, was known by people before it was even written into the Quran by the Bedouins. It's obvious if you lived near the mouth of any river.
But the Quran says that the waters never mix, which is plainly false. Of course, it's the Quran, which says hilarious things like the sun being flat.
"dr william hay" is da 1 im referring to. tell me da verse ur referring to wiv da sun being flat n ill translate for u...no its nt rong at all..wen it means it dnt mix it means as da process is goin on its loosing its constituence..u need to research it more..anyfing else u wana debate about regarding more errors?
yes dr william hay. hes a marine scientist n professor of geographical sciences at university of colorado! hes a well known scientist for this type of field!
Okay, I looked at his profile page from the University of Colorado.
His research was into the role of ocean salinity in circulation, and his fame has nothing to do with the regional variation of ocean salinity- a fact which was known for centuries, before even the Quran was written by the desert nomads.
You still haven't provided anything new about ocean salinity, and continue to repeat and manipulate the Quranic lie that ocean waters don't mix.
no it wasnt known. show me information proovin it was known b4 da quran was revealed!
n da verses regarding the unseen barrier was shown to him to analyse n he was astonished into hw it was alredy written 14oo yrs ago! yes it was shwon to him to analyse. there is anuva doctor called prof. keith moore n similar situation was gven to him. it sez in quran da embryogy early stages lookz like a leach n he sed no.he den went into lab n analysed ti udner microscope n he was ASTONISHED dat it does!
HAHAHA! The Amazon Indians knew about the ocean water boundaries, thousands of years ago.
They knew freshwater fish was available deep inside the Atlantic Ocean, near the Brazilian coast, and knew where saltwater started, all within the same ocean.
Your Quran writers knew of the same because they knew people who lived near the mouths of the Arabian rivers like the Euphrates, and probably noticed the same thing.
also regarding the amazon, all i can say to u is im spkin words from oceanologists, nt from my own fake opinions! chek it up den cum bak to me on dat. yes dey knew bout salt n normal water bt dey didnt no bout dis barrier wich was dicovered recently....i request u actually ask sum1 in dis field for more intellectual facts! im nt tryna jus pik words from da quran n say yes correct, i have done my own research. i av even asked ppl regardin da word dahaha n all sed da same meanin bout da egg!
I saw the said oceanologist's resume. Nothing in it says that they discovered salinity zones recently. This was known to people thousands of years ago, and to people who never even heard of the crappy, bedouin-made fantasy-laden book that is the Quran.
The bundle of nonsense that's the Quran had its writers observe that women got pregnant only when the male deposited his semen. The fools never saw the female egg, so there is not a single mention of the female egg in the Quran, which, in fact, is the largest sex cell among both male and female sex cells. What an utterly disgraceful omittance! Of course, you can't blame the desert nomads for not writing about what they didn't see!
As for the leech, any miscarriage will also show the same.
all of his is new info dat was recently found. u jus cnt accept da truth dat there is a creator. wot bout da light of da moon. dis was alredy written in quran dat its a reflection of light! science only jus found dis out! da shape of da earth like a ostrichs egg was alredy written aswell. hw do u explain dem fings?
Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha (Ydahoo: present tense) is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin" (fi'l al masdar), and the verb of origin is not derived from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg.
1) extended: so that you can be able to stand on it
2) pushed it: to follow a path around the sun
3) to be egg-shaped: specifically ostrich egg.
so yes it does mean egg shaped u twat!
regarding the leech. dis was only found out within da past 2 decades n i can show you video statemnt of professor keith moore sayin dis info was not possible 1400 yrs ago unless it came from da creator!
What I pasted about the Arabic word was from an Arab grammarian himself! You can hope and deny all you want, but the explanation is pretty clear that the word used in the Quran does not mean "round".
This is the reason why Muslims bow down to the stone heap in the Kaaba, wherever they are- the think that they can face it if they look toward it, but the reality is that the spherical nature of the Earth prevents them from facing the Kaaba, LOL!
my explanation was pasted from an arab himself aswell..ur arab doesnt even no hw to spk his own language,,i have asked many arab and all sed da same fing,,ask more den 1 arab n den see if ur answa is still da same.
no da spherical nature doenst stop dem doin so..if u walk in 1 direction nun stop, u will end up bak in da same spot cuz of da sphecial shape of da earth.
regarding the leech, type in professor keith moore leech in google n den see video evidence urself!
n noo da greeks bak in da days "may" have sum knowledge of wot da world is about but nun of dem was established facts!..everyfing has only becum a fact due to science n technology NOWADAYS..bt 1st look at da video im tellin u bout. he specifically sez dis info was only possible to find out 2dai!! sumfing da quran revealed 1400 yrs ago!
If you don't or do have a faith, that is upto you. i haven't got anything against you or your belief, i am a muslim and i have got a question for you. . . Look at earth, the moon the sun, the universe and your entire surrounding, you (general) must be blind if you think life is just a coincidence
You must be stupid to think whatever caused the universe to exist, is your Allah... especially when this Allah idol promises false pleasures and false ideals in the supposed Afterlife. Things like silk and gold, virgins and food- only a fool would think that these are what souls need. In fact, these are exactly what the common Bedouin fool would lust after, in the sandy deserts of Arabia, thus proving the human origins of the Quran.
the child gets the message of onness of ALLAH he would judged accordingly. Hence a still born child will be tested accordingly. Hope the answer of your question.
arshalone please do a search on my channel for Islamic Head Wear does Nothing video ... I put the link on the top left hand side ... I would appreciate your comment on how the Name of Allah is used ... thanks.
Dear Brother- I strongly appose terrisom on whose ever name its done- Please don't judge the religion by the deeds of the people- If George Bush does something to Iraq i can't say the teachings of Jesus were wrong- Similary if some takes the name of ALLAH for the act of terririsom then he / she is soley responsible. I hope you i'm able to clarify your doubts.
arshalone - brother the killings are done according to the Messenger and the Koran and using the name of Allah when the acts are committed. Did you know that the true name of the true Allah can not be even spoken by anybody according to tradition ? Can Mohammed be a Prophet if he did not know this ?
Dear Brother- Tell me any 1 verse of Quran which talks killing innocents- Any 1 message of messenger which incourages killing? Please share any 1 verse of Quran which is against humanity as a whole-Please don't be misguided by the people who kill innocents by taking name of ALLAH- Quran has never encourages these kind of acts in the past nor this is been appriciated today.Any human who seeks guidance can take the name of ALLAH.
arshalone - The Koran and Hadiths are filled with such verses but your eyes refuse to see them ...I just put up a video from a British Mullah and he will be able to answer your question if you have any doubts.
Dear Brother-I would appriciate if some thing like this is been highlighted to me! I'm here to clear all your doubts - I also have lots of videos which has answers of all these questions raised by any brother who needs guidance to find reallity.
Do not foll yourself. There is not such things like peace, brotherhood,...in Islam. Just look at all muslem countries all around the world. What do you see? Anything exept peace, brotherhood and friendship.If you see such words in Qoran, they are not about other people with other ways of thinking or religions.They are only about muslems, themselves.Islam and Allah have already their ideas about others,they(Koffar) have to be killed and a Muslem does not have this rightto take them as a friend
Dear Brother- i think you are mistaken between what people do & what Quran teaches about brotherhood. No single Verse of Quran is against humanity as a whole. Please don't judged the religion by the deeds people- i do agree that people take the name of Islam & do wrong deeds but if you actually come to Quran you will see what Quran says about those antisocial eliments. Please share a single verse of Quran which is against humanity & i will try best of my knowledge to explain the same.
May Allah continue to lead people to this wonderful way of life, and May Allah grant his believers paradise, inshallah
TheMrpalid 10 months ago
Hello Peter you must know that all these desires exists in every normal human being from the day one, but their fulfilment is not perfected by the creator in this world and hence perfected in the paradise as you quoted.
You basically are quite arrogant and that's why ignorant about what quran revealed 1400 ago that science just discovered in the last century and there are a lot to be discovered by science in future. You need a lot of research basically on this topic
nasirmalikjee 2 years ago
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jeninPalestine 2 years ago
Why should this Allah test his own creation? Is he doubtful of his perfection?
Also, what about those who die stillborn? Do they get to be tested as well?
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Dear Peter, ALLAH is not testing his creations but we are sent in this world to obey ALLAH - If a teacher takes the exams for his students it does not mean that teacher is doubtful of his own knowledge! ALLAH is bigger teacher of all. He very well talk about his tests & rewards in Quran.
Before i answer your stillborn question lets understand this - Every Child who born is borned as a MUSLIM tht he submits his will to ALLAH & depending on the extrnal factor he deviates & depending on the time
arshalone 2 years ago
A teachr taking a test is different from a supreme being taking test. When a teacher takes a test, since he or she is a human, and full of faults, can make mistakes. Allah, since by definition cannot err, has no need to take a test.
Thus when Allah tests mankind, Allah is indirectly revealing that he is uncertain of his own deeds.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
I also have another question. Since the Southern Hemisphere's lower latitudes have continuous sunlight for 6 months in the time of Ramadan, a Muslim there would die if he or she were to observe a fast from sunrise to sunset. The sun sets there only after 6 months.
Also, bowing towards Mecca is not possible, because the Earth is curved.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
I personally do not have much idea of people leaving at southern hemispere however people will be judged based on their ability to obey ALLAH. e.g. a handicap who can't perform NAMAZ coz of his illness then he would asked question on the day of judgement based on their ability. Similarly people leaving either at North or South hemisphere would be judged as per their ability to obey ALLAH. 2ndly Mecca is our Qibla i.e. direction to perform NAMAZ- so that every MUSLIM will have unique direction.
arshalone 2 years ago
I think you mean, same direction and not unique direction.
However, since facing something is a linear aspect, and since the world is a sphere, this inevitably leads to the Muslims around the world unable to face the same direction, just by a flat-world interpretation of Mecca's location.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Direction does not mean Line of Sight - Its means facing towards one direction & Unique means one Kaaba & as you are aware Kaaba has four dimentional side that means Muslims leaving in any part of the world can face Kaaba. Kaaba being a direction does not mean that we Muslims worship Kaaba - Sahabis (Muslims at the time of prophet) used to stand on the Kaaba & used to call for the prayer. This is enough to prove that Kaaba is only a direction for us & Muslims do not worships Kaaba.
arshalone 2 years ago
According to the writers of the Quran, the idea of facing Mecca for a uniform direction, would work, only if, as the writers of the time believed in a flat earth, the Earth wasn't spherical.
However, since modern science has shown that the Earth is a sphere, it means that it is impossible to face the Kaaba by facing the direction of the horizon. To really face the Kaaba, one would have to face the ground.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
1st of all i would like to clarify that Quran is not been written by the people of that time - Its the book of ALLAH i.e. its word of GOD & applicable of all time & for complete universe. As far as your query is concerned, facing Kaaba does not mean that 1 has to put face on kaaba, this means your posture should be towards kaaba & for the sake of argument if i accept your logic then one part of our prayer is to perform Sujud in Namaz (bowing down on the ground) there our face hand etc face Kaaba
arshalone 2 years ago
The Quran was compiled several years after Muhammad died.
On top of that, Arabic itself was not standardised around 300 years after Muhammad's death. Several versions existed, and many of them were destroyed by the various rulers of the time, when the contents proved detrimental to their reign.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Ppl hv various misconception abt compilation of Quran- Compilation of Quran was done at the time of prophet Mohammed (PBWH) itself on the piece of leather,bones,stones etc however at the time of Hazrat Uthman shape of book was given to those pieces. As arabic was mother tounge of Arabian thy used to pronounce Quran with their local accent & it was acutally changing the meaning of Quran- then it was decided to put Zer,Zabar etc to Quran & then it was sent across to king of major islamic countries
arshalone 2 years ago
Arabic of the Quran is not the same as the one used during Muhammad's time.
Arabic had to be standardised for it to be common, and that happened around 1100 A.D and not before.
What you said about rocks, bones, etc., there were several versions of the Quran floating around at the time, and the one available today is the survivor among them. The rest were burnt and purged by the rulers of the time.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Frm tht time onward we Muslims are reading the Quran with their actual accent- & that became helpful to those who did not have their mother tounge as Arabic.Correct & complied version was very well available at the time of prophet Mohammed (PBWH) & its originality has not been changed & would never be changed as ALLAH himself has promised for the security of Quran.Most of the verses revealed at the time of prophet r getting discovered now which itself prove that Quran is word of GOD & r unchangd
arshalone 2 years ago
No language on Earth has ever remained constant. Even English with all its sophistication, would be barely recognisable from the version used a mere 400 years ago.
Same with Arabic. And because Arabic was not standardised well until over 300 years after Muhammad died, it would definitely have been different from the one used at the time of Muhammad. This is even more true when the culture is basically nomadic, with no uniform standards.
What in the Quran is getting proven today?
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
No language on the Earth has ever remained constant but Arabic is coz till now its not proven that Arabic is changed from its anciant version. You have numerous copies of Quran available in the world but no two Arabic authentic copies are different. As i told you after Mohammed (PBWH) only the punctuations were added otherwise verses hv not been changed. Although various verses of quran were floating arnd but whole Quran has been remembred & recited by Sahabis(ppl present at the time of prophet)
arshalone 2 years ago
What do you mean? Plenty of Qurans were destroyed by the earlier rulers, and one standard form issued. All this happened nearly 300 years after Muhammad died.
Arabic was standardised in the 1100s, and before that, there were so many varieties of it, some of them still exist today in the form of dialects.
Arabic has certainly not been unaffected by change, especially because it was the language of a nomadic people- which means it is more affected by time.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Later its been migrated to their children & so on. Hence the originality of Quran remain the same & this was taken care at the time of doing the puctuation works at the time of Hazrat Uthman. As Sahabis they were the masters of Arabic language they did not require puctuation but due to war post prophet (PBWH) various Sahabis were getting Shaheed (passing away) the need of converting those verses into book has aroused.
arshalone 2 years ago
Various verses revealed 1400 years ago are proven by science now. For example Big Bang Theory mentioned in Quran in 21:30 (Chapter 21, Verse 30) - Do not the unbelivers see that the heavens & the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before we clove them asunder? Second: The spherical shape of earth (79:30) And the earth, moreover,Hath HE made dahaha (Ostrich-egg) shaped. Third: Light of moon is reflected light (25:61) - & there are many. Share your email id & i'll give all to u.
arshalone 2 years ago
The Quran says that the Earth is spread out like a carpet, and that mountains hold that carpet in place- it is saying that the Earth is flat. Moreover, the Earth is not shaped like an ostrich's egg- it is nearly a perfect sphere, with flattening at the edges and a slight bulge at the equator- but this bulge is so minor, it is nowhere like an ovoid shape of the egg.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin", and not from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg. Thus it is the complete opposite to the concept of the roundness.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
your interpretation are totally wrong and i speak of knowledge in Arabic language .
its really shows how ignorant you are .
"Daha" had more than one meaning ,and in one of the dialects their is "Dehia " from Daha which means Egg and the scholars has other
interpretation for this word . plus in quran their is lots of verses that tells the the earth is sphere (baidawyia) (rounded) either in a direct way or indirect way
aminworld 2 years ago
Thanks Amin.
arshalone 2 years ago
This is taken from answering-islam & clarification i'm pasting for your reference.
Udhiya and Udhuwa are not root words. Udhiya is simply a singular of Dahyyaat. Udhuwa is the same word as Udhiya. Also, Deheya or Deheyya also means Udhiya. In the Arabic grammar, depending on the position of the word in the sentence, we sometimes substitute the pronunciation of the "y" with a "w". Udhiya and Udhuwa are not two different words. They are the same word.
arshalone 2 years ago
The Arabic word "dahaha" is derived from the root word "dahya" which literally means "egg". Udhuwa is the reference to "dahya". In Arabic, words that are referenced are sometimes written differently. Udhuwa and "dahya" are written differently, but they mean the same word.
arshalone 2 years ago
haha wot is gettin proven 2dai! there r more than 100 things from the quran that have been proven today. heres just a few of them. the unseen barrier between the flowing water. the sun revolving around its own axis. the reflection the moon. the big bang in a nutshell. the water cylce which is mentioned in gr8 detail. i can go on!!
currygangsta 2 years ago
HAHA! Overwhelming majority of those "truths" were repeated much early on by the Greeks, the Jews and others.
The Quran is just compilations of the ancient texts, with the devious superstitions of the Qureyshi heathens.
The Quran says that the sun is a flat disc, LOL!
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
noo dey werent reported by the greeks! das all u can say..show me sum evidence dat dey were reported by da greeks. dey tlked about sum so called science bak den bt nun of which was accurate!
currygangsta 2 years ago
LOL, bring it on! One-by-one.
"He has let loose the two seas, converging together, with a barrier between them they do not break through. (Quran, 55:19-20)."
HAHAHA! This garbage is unscientific! There is no strict barrier berween the flowing waters- there is an inclusion zone that is a mixture of the two different zones, and they gradually become one. Any fool can observe this by pouring salt into a glass of hot water and observing the dissolving process. No of need Quran to see this.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
haha yes there is a barrier! this is even confirmed by an oceanologist by da name of Dr Haye. da point is da barrier between da 2 which was only discovered recently!..no1 at dat time put sweet n salt water 2getha to notice dis fact..dis is confirmed by oceanologists!
currygangsta 2 years ago
LOL, it is not a physical barrier, it is a zone of mixing.
Are you too stupid to realise this, or understand the meaning of the term?
There is no sudden wall or boundary between the two waters- there's merely a zone of mixing- just like the salty water in the glass I mentioned earlier. Over time, the waters exchange and flow, and the cycle repeats.
The molecules in a single glass of water will spread all over the planet in as little as 7 years. If there were barriers, this wouldnt be.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
no u idiot..in oceanology there is a barrier which seperates da 2 types of water so dey hav dere own features e.g.temperature n density. n dis barrier is SLANTED n UNSEEN for wen da water mixes 2gtha. n dis barrier is a homogenizing area for da waters! im tellin u scientists have even confirmed dis!
currygangsta 2 years ago
HAHA! You fail to understand simple, scientific language. Have you heard of the Amazon? The water from it at its mouth causes the sea water to be pushed outward, and thus on the map, large areas of the coast at the mouth of this river is fresh water. The natives knew this thousands of years before the nomads wrote about this in the Quran.
People have known for ages that not all ocean water is equally salty. The Quran says that the waters never mix- but in reality, they do!
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
i fail to undastand?? i am spking FACTS. ur spkin ur own opinion! do sum research u twat! i am givin u 100% facts from oceanologists! nt sum opinions from wot i fink is correct! noo if dey knew dis 1000's of yrz ago den y are all oceanologists jus confirming it as a new fact wich was deiscovered recently. seriously do sum research den cm bak to me! im tellin u facts!
currygangsta 2 years ago
You are just repeating an over-simplified scientific statement and grossly bending it to fit your false Quran's idiotic statement.
The Quran says that the waters don't mix. Science says that they do, actively.
Deal with it, fool. Your false-prophet and his false Quran with its cheap promises of loose sex, silk and virgins is no match for the truth.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
People have known for ages that the ocean waters have varying salinity.
Name the oceanographer in full, and I might comment more elaborately.
But what the Quran mentions is only partly true, and that too, was known by people before it was even written into the Quran by the Bedouins. It's obvious if you lived near the mouth of any river.
But the Quran says that the waters never mix, which is plainly false. Of course, it's the Quran, which says hilarious things like the sun being flat.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
"dr william hay" is da 1 im referring to. tell me da verse ur referring to wiv da sun being flat n ill translate for u...no its nt rong at all..wen it means it dnt mix it means as da process is goin on its loosing its constituence..u need to research it more..anyfing else u wana debate about regarding more errors?
currygangsta 2 years ago
"William Hay"?
He doesn't even have a Wikipedia page, LOL!
Mail me a link about his theory, please.
He seems as false as the contents of the Quran!
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
yes dr william hay. hes a marine scientist n professor of geographical sciences at university of colorado! hes a well known scientist for this type of field!
currygangsta 2 years ago
Okay, I looked at his profile page from the University of Colorado.
His research was into the role of ocean salinity in circulation, and his fame has nothing to do with the regional variation of ocean salinity- a fact which was known for centuries, before even the Quran was written by the desert nomads.
You still haven't provided anything new about ocean salinity, and continue to repeat and manipulate the Quranic lie that ocean waters don't mix.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
no it wasnt known. show me information proovin it was known b4 da quran was revealed!
n da verses regarding the unseen barrier was shown to him to analyse n he was astonished into hw it was alredy written 14oo yrs ago! yes it was shwon to him to analyse. there is anuva doctor called prof. keith moore n similar situation was gven to him. it sez in quran da embryogy early stages lookz like a leach n he sed no.he den went into lab n analysed ti udner microscope n he was ASTONISHED dat it does!
currygangsta 2 years ago
HAHAHA! The Amazon Indians knew about the ocean water boundaries, thousands of years ago.
They knew freshwater fish was available deep inside the Atlantic Ocean, near the Brazilian coast, and knew where saltwater started, all within the same ocean.
Your Quran writers knew of the same because they knew people who lived near the mouths of the Arabian rivers like the Euphrates, and probably noticed the same thing.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
also regarding the amazon, all i can say to u is im spkin words from oceanologists, nt from my own fake opinions! chek it up den cum bak to me on dat. yes dey knew bout salt n normal water bt dey didnt no bout dis barrier wich was dicovered recently....i request u actually ask sum1 in dis field for more intellectual facts! im nt tryna jus pik words from da quran n say yes correct, i have done my own research. i av even asked ppl regardin da word dahaha n all sed da same meanin bout da egg!
currygangsta 2 years ago
I saw the said oceanologist's resume. Nothing in it says that they discovered salinity zones recently. This was known to people thousands of years ago, and to people who never even heard of the crappy, bedouin-made fantasy-laden book that is the Quran.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
The bundle of nonsense that's the Quran had its writers observe that women got pregnant only when the male deposited his semen. The fools never saw the female egg, so there is not a single mention of the female egg in the Quran, which, in fact, is the largest sex cell among both male and female sex cells. What an utterly disgraceful omittance! Of course, you can't blame the desert nomads for not writing about what they didn't see!
As for the leech, any miscarriage will also show the same.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
all of his is new info dat was recently found. u jus cnt accept da truth dat there is a creator. wot bout da light of da moon. dis was alredy written in quran dat its a reflection of light! science only jus found dis out! da shape of da earth like a ostrichs egg was alredy written aswell. hw do u explain dem fings?
currygangsta 2 years ago
Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha (Ydahoo: present tense) is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin" (fi'l al masdar), and the verb of origin is not derived from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
ur tlkin crap again! ask an arab spkin person.
the word dahaha in arabian has three meaning:
1) extended: so that you can be able to stand on it
2) pushed it: to follow a path around the sun
3) to be egg-shaped: specifically ostrich egg.
so yes it does mean egg shaped u twat!
regarding the leech. dis was only found out within da past 2 decades n i can show you video statemnt of professor keith moore sayin dis info was not possible 1400 yrs ago unless it came from da creator!
currygangsta 2 years ago
Oh LOL!
What I pasted about the Arabic word was from an Arab grammarian himself! You can hope and deny all you want, but the explanation is pretty clear that the word used in the Quran does not mean "round".
This is the reason why Muslims bow down to the stone heap in the Kaaba, wherever they are- the think that they can face it if they look toward it, but the reality is that the spherical nature of the Earth prevents them from facing the Kaaba, LOL!
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
my explanation was pasted from an arab himself aswell..ur arab doesnt even no hw to spk his own language,,i have asked many arab and all sed da same fing,,ask more den 1 arab n den see if ur answa is still da same.
no da spherical nature doenst stop dem doin so..if u walk in 1 direction nun stop, u will end up bak in da same spot cuz of da sphecial shape of da earth.
regarding the leech, type in professor keith moore leech in google n den see video evidence urself!
currygangsta 2 years ago
As for the leech, another LOL!
The bedouins saw the aborted foetus from women and told it looked like leeches.
They were so "wise" that not a single word exists to mention the human egg.
How strange, LOL! The Quran-writers could only write about what they could see, and not what they didn't!
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
n noo da greeks bak in da days "may" have sum knowledge of wot da world is about but nun of dem was established facts!..everyfing has only becum a fact due to science n technology NOWADAYS..bt 1st look at da video im tellin u bout. he specifically sez dis info was only possible to find out 2dai!! sumfing da quran revealed 1400 yrs ago!
nw wot fantasy greek r u gna mention nx! lol
currygangsta 2 years ago
If you don't or do have a faith, that is upto you. i haven't got anything against you or your belief, i am a muslim and i have got a question for you. . . Look at earth, the moon the sun, the universe and your entire surrounding, you (general) must be blind if you think life is just a coincidence
jeninPalestine 2 years ago
You must be stupid to think whatever caused the universe to exist, is your Allah... especially when this Allah idol promises false pleasures and false ideals in the supposed Afterlife. Things like silk and gold, virgins and food- only a fool would think that these are what souls need. In fact, these are exactly what the common Bedouin fool would lust after, in the sandy deserts of Arabia, thus proving the human origins of the Quran.
PeterKuriakose 2 years ago
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currygangsta 2 years ago
the child gets the message of onness of ALLAH he would judged accordingly. Hence a still born child will be tested accordingly. Hope the answer of your question.
arshalone 2 years ago
Please explain how Allah is peace if his very name is used to justify the act in this video. Thanks.
truth tube. tv / play .php?vid = 595c
GodForum 3 years ago
Which is the video you are talking about brother?
arshalone 3 years ago
arshalone please do a search on my channel for Islamic Head Wear does Nothing video ... I put the link on the top left hand side ... I would appreciate your comment on how the Name of Allah is used ... thanks.
GodForum 3 years ago
Dear Brother- I strongly appose terrisom on whose ever name its done- Please don't judge the religion by the deeds of the people- If George Bush does something to Iraq i can't say the teachings of Jesus were wrong- Similary if some takes the name of ALLAH for the act of terririsom then he / she is soley responsible. I hope you i'm able to clarify your doubts.
arshalone 3 years ago
arshalone - brother the killings are done according to the Messenger and the Koran and using the name of Allah when the acts are committed. Did you know that the true name of the true Allah can not be even spoken by anybody according to tradition ? Can Mohammed be a Prophet if he did not know this ?
GodForum 3 years ago
Dear Brother- Tell me any 1 verse of Quran which talks killing innocents- Any 1 message of messenger which incourages killing? Please share any 1 verse of Quran which is against humanity as a whole-Please don't be misguided by the people who kill innocents by taking name of ALLAH- Quran has never encourages these kind of acts in the past nor this is been appriciated today.Any human who seeks guidance can take the name of ALLAH.
arshalone 3 years ago
arshalone - The Koran and Hadiths are filled with such verses but your eyes refuse to see them ...I just put up a video from a British Mullah and he will be able to answer your question if you have any doubts.
GodForum 3 years ago
Dear Brother-I would appriciate if some thing like this is been highlighted to me! I'm here to clear all your doubts - I also have lots of videos which has answers of all these questions raised by any brother who needs guidance to find reallity.
arshalone 3 years ago
Do not foll yourself. There is not such things like peace, brotherhood,...in Islam. Just look at all muslem countries all around the world. What do you see? Anything exept peace, brotherhood and friendship.If you see such words in Qoran, they are not about other people with other ways of thinking or religions.They are only about muslems, themselves.Islam and Allah have already their ideas about others,they(Koffar) have to be killed and a Muslem does not have this rightto take them as a friend
14111348 3 years ago
propaganda
africaRBG 3 years ago
Why not !!!!
arshalone 3 years ago
Dear Brother- i think you are mistaken between what people do & what Quran teaches about brotherhood. No single Verse of Quran is against humanity as a whole. Please don't judged the religion by the deeds people- i do agree that people take the name of Islam & do wrong deeds but if you actually come to Quran you will see what Quran says about those antisocial eliments. Please share a single verse of Quran which is against humanity & i will try best of my knowledge to explain the same.
arshalone 3 years ago
fuck off
emamkiram 3 years ago
Thats True -- This is the 1st time i saw on youtbue & thought of sharing with All Humanity... Keep Spreading...
arshalone 3 years ago
mashallah I have seen it many times and yet it makes me wanna cry
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