When the question comes about the hole in the Pentagon, the PM guy didn't even answer the question. The question was "the hole wasn't big enough it must have been a missile." And the PM guy just comes back with a reporter's quote who witnessed it. He can't explain the actual impact!
"The conspiracy people" I love that! So...anyone who asks questions & has concerns about the NON-DEBUNKED information or shall i say MIS information about 9/11 is a "Conspirator"? Gimme a break!
Also, why did the government quarantine ground zero immediately after the attacks and destroy the rubble so it couldnt be tested? Why does Bush's family have long time ties with the CEO of the contracting company that renovated the buildings? Why was all the paperwork regarding the work done on the buildings "lost" in the attacks? Why is there only ONE video of a plane hitting the pentagon? And why is it of horrible quality? Probably the most secure place in the country only had ONE camera on?
The government is not telling us the whole story. There is an indisputable amount of evidence. Building seven fell in a freefall. How is that possible if it is not severed below? Dr. Jones found residue of explosive material in the debris of the buildings. Why in the world would anyone put that into a foundationf of a building? Look at the planes in the clips. Do you see any paint on them? Any windows? Like a commercial airliner? Or just grey, like a military plane?
"...yet you are trying to twist things around just to add confusion..." I didn't realise that discussing a critical support member of a structure that collapsed, is an attempt at confusion.
Its obvious that P/M was given the task of siding with the official story. They say they did the fact checking but its obvious they didn't. P/M suggests that 25% of the face of WTC7 was scooped out from the collapse of the towers. Where did they get this fact? Not the NIST report. Its bogus.
@58ravenfan I understand they claimed to have pix of this. Why haven't the rest of us seen these pix? It's obvious you haven't read the NIST report regarding WTC-7 collapse. NIST claims the collapse was due to FIRE ALONE and not the damage to the building.
It seems P/M didn't think it could collapse from fire alone and had to claim the damage was at fault.
I just found it strange that they had facts that NIST and the rest of us didn't.
@infoseeker264-----actually no they shown the pix and I have seen them. its also in there book about 9/11. and here is what NIST said about WTC7 .--Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows: An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
@infoseeker264----CONT....Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a
@58ravenfan Do you realize it took you longer to type all this than it did for the building to collapse? Don't you think that is ODD? A progressive collapse would have taken much longer and wouldn't have fallen into itself.
This building was a very strong structure and that is why it was chosen by our government to house the emergency management canter. That was NEVER used that day.
@infoseeker264---it would have collapsed but it fell faster because of the damage. and all you have to do is gogle it. its also in the popular mechanics book. google damage to wtc 7
@58ravenfan I understand all this. I have been looking into this for years. How can NIST have it both ways.
Their report states that “The WTC towers likely would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact damage and the extensive, multi-floor fires if the thermal insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.”
Yet WTC-7 collapsed due fire and NONE of it's insulation was dislodged.
@infoseeker264--- because tower 7 was on fire for several hours unfought. if the water was working they might have been able to put them out. these werent little fires. they were raging.
@58ravenfan If you look at the video and pix you will notice not all floors were burning at the same time... I have watched nearly every video there is and I have yet to see a RAGING fire in WTC-7. You only seen a few flames coming out of the windows. Have you seen other RAGING fires? I guess not...
As far as the water goes, the building was a short distance from the RIVER. It wouldn't have been out of the norm to use river water to fight a fire.
@infoseeker264----- I actually seen video of that. they were trying to get water from the river befor the twin towers collapsed. im not sure if they continued to try after they collapsed or not but I did see that. and there are TONS of quotes from firemen who were in the building. i will try and find them all for you. plus videos of the firemen hours befor it collapsed saying they heard creeking noises and seen the building tilt a little and they knew it was comeing down.
@58ravenfan As far as the creaking sounds and the building leaning. There is ONLY talk of this. NO PROOF. NIST even said in their WTC-7 Report that the collapse was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. THis means SOMEONE is lying. Right? Why?
If these firemen knew it was going to collapse, I believe they were TOLD it was going to collapse.
@buddyfreakinhoIIy I have no idea. I try to stick to the actual facts. NIST said in its final report that the collapse of WTC-7 was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
There were just as many eyewitnesses that said they heard only typical fire noises coming from WTC-7.
How do you explain the count-down over the police radio just before the collapse? THEY MUST BE VERY GOOD AT PREDICTING A BUILDINGS COLLAPSE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A COUNT-DOWN. Don't you think?
@infoseeker264 With the creeking, whining and moaning sounds that were heard and described by the firefighters, where would the predictability be in the collapse? You want to insinuate the NIST or the fire dept. was lying, which is another lame attempt at trying to paint a picture of subversive activity on their part, when they were being true to the circumstances at hand.
@MrSkunkwork100-- thank you. we all know that no high rise has never fallen before but also no high rise has ever had this much damage done to it either. so yes it was "unprecedented" but not impossible
@infoseeker264 "You boweevers cant have it both ways" Uh, actually truthers are the ones implying false premises here and this one of yours is no exception. Neither the firefighters were lying nor NIST. You are the one that has to show where the predictability would be, since according to you, either NIST or the FDNY is lying. Thanks.
@MrSkunkwork100---- they always contradict themselves. like the say the buildings had explosives in them then they come back with that thermite BS. and hell lets not even get started on the dumbasses who believe in the "death ray" thing or the "no planers". lol. they cant even get there story straight on what happend.
@58ravenfan Yeah, it's a shame that there are people that are actually this pittiful out there. I always feel like they are trying out their act for a comedy routine on us here on these vids. There is no way that anyone is that ignorant.
@58ravenfan I was told about them by a friend and then I came on here, because I didn't believe him and lo and behold, it is everything that he said it was and more.
@MrSkunkwork100 Are you that thick? All you Boweevers keep pointing out that first responders said the collapsed was predictable. NIST said it was UNPREDICTABLE.
You boweevers are the one that keep contradicting the official story. You claim to believe the official story yet you say just the opposite. Do your research and know the facts before you think you're an expert.
@infoseeker264 Yeah you are. You keep posting it each time. I haven't contradicted the ov. You just refuse or simply are incapable of understanding the ov. I haven't said anything that contradicts the ov. "Do your research and know the facts before you think you're an expert." A post that you should take to heart.
@infoseeker264 Please show me where there were firefighters saying they were afraid that column 79 was going to fail at any moment and cause the collapse of the building. Please show me where in NIST's report they say that the failure of column 79 was not the initiating failure point. Thanks for the laughs in advance.
I NEVER said anything about Column 79 yet you are trying to twist things around just to add confusion. A childish attempt to turn things around. You cant address my response so you twist it around.
@infoseeker264 No, I am not twisting anything around. I asked you a direct, relevent and simple question and instead of answering it, you are complaining about me personally. THAT is typical twoofer discussion technique. I don't distort anything. That is the work of twoofers, internet wide, too. I specifically DID add column 79 with relevent questions about it. Another waste of a post and, bandwith.
@infoseeker264 Please show me where there is any measure of predictability in chaos. Where are there firefighters discussing column 79 and showing concern that from the failure of column 79 the building was going to collapse? And where in the NIST report, the failure of column 79 WASN'T the focal point of failure? Thanks.
@58ravenfan Now I know you didn't read the report. I am NOT going to read it for you. If you don't do your research, don't claim to be an expert. Its all in the report.
If you don't take the time to read it, stop wasting our time.
@infoseeker264- I did read most of the fucking thing. all you got to do is tell me were you read it was "UNPREDICTABLE". at what passage? its a very simple question.
@58ravenfan There is your problem. You didn't read all of it. I believe some of it also. I am not going to tell you where it is as I feel its important for you to read the entire report if you want to comment on it. Do you research and then we can continue our conversation.
@infoseeker264- okay the thing is over 10,000 pages so I doubt you read it all. so I ask YET AGAIN were did you read that? it is a very simple question that you can not answer and this is why not many people believe your BS. do your research and present the evidence.
@infoseeker264---I never once said I read the whole thing. and again you dumb fuck, if you want to present something as evidance you must have PROOF to where you get your info. so AGAIN where did you read that????? ery simple fucking question!!!!!!
@58ravenfan You expect me to provide you proof yet NIST didn't provide any proof of how these towers collapsed and you believe them. Talk about a Dumb Fuck.
@infoseeker264----lol. OMFG. are you serious??? NIST DID explain the collapse. lol. god your retarded. and if NIST didnt expplain the collapse as your are trying to say then how do you dissagree with the NIST report?? lol. god you people are pathetic.
@58ravenfan Yes I am serious. The computer model they used to prove the collapse didn't even MATCH the actual collapse. Only a gullible reTard would buy this crap.
Only a pathetic looser could read this report and buy into it. If you use your brain you would not only see that NIST's explanation doesn't fit but it doesn't really say how the "Progressive Collapse" happened. You hear the words Progressive Collapse and automatically believe it. Big words must do it for you.
@infoseeker264------uh no jack ass it shows the WHOLE collapse and matches it almost exactly. and they even explained wht it look the way it did. god you are a dumbass!!
@58ravenfan I wish I was a car salesman and you were in need of a car. It seems you would buy anything. LOL!!!
Look at them again. You will see in the model that the sides toward the top pulled in towards the center of the building. Show me the actual video that shows this. Moron.
@infoseeker264------no actually the modle and the actuall collapse show the main collapse starting at the bottom middle pulling in the beams thus collpaseing the building the way it did. and hea YOU are the dumbass that believes anuthing people tell you without even looking to see if its true or not.
What, were you about 14 years old when this happened? Im actually embarrassed to find this out. Im wasting my time with someone that didn't even really understand what was happened that day. You tell me that I am the dumb ass for believing others... Its obvious you haven't read the report or you wouldn't have made these comments. You are really making yourself look like a fool.
Talk about calling the kettle black. I trust you know what that means. God you are pathetic.
@infoseeker264--- what does it matter how old I was when it happend? I read the damn report. I wasnt around during the world wars but I know what happend. Its called reading. doing research. you should try it! you may bee the most pathetic person on here
@58ravenfan You were too young to understand what was happening that day. You said:
"and hea YOU are the dumbass that believes anuthing people tell you without even looking to see if its true or not."
It seems you don't know was "calling the kettle black" means. What a fool. Where did you get your info? You had to hear it from others and you obviously haven't checked to see if its true or not. Dumb Ass.
@infoseeker264------yes I did check things out. you go to alex jones type sites and believe whatever he tells you without doing any research. its called reading from history. you should try it dumb ass
@58ravenfan Dude, Now you are just lying. Its obvious that you haven't read the report or you wouldn't have responded with such LAME and STUPIS comments.
@infoseeker264-----god your fucking retarded!! you asked if I read the report and I asked WHICH ONE??? there is a 9/11 comition report and there is a NIST report. so its very OBVIOUS you have no fucking clue of what you are talking about!!!
@infoseeker264 Ok guys I don't know which one of you thinks that 9/11 was a cover-up, but YOU would be correct. The NIST report states the buildings went down by extreme fire; you talk to any physicist and he will tell you that's not the case. Multiple buildings have burned for days on and and not completely collapsed. Building 7 fell completely at a freefall. It wasn't even hit! And for it to do that, it had to have been severed below somehow. Dr. Jones tested material and found explosives.
@GLachney Thank You. It just amazes me how people believe the official story without even thinking about it. I agree with Dr, Jones findings its just that these believers are too hard headed to understand this. Why hasn't the media picked up on more of this?
@infoseeker264---- which one are you talking about? the 9/11 comition report or the NIST report? the NIST report is about 10.000. and no i didnt read the whole thing but you didnt read ANY of it. and yes it IS close you fool.
@infoseeker264-- i actualy think they said "unprecedented". it wasnt that unpredictable because they had experts out there that said all of the WTC towers would have to come down because there was too much damage to them. now take that much damage plus the fires. there was no way to stop the building from comeing down.
@MrSkunkwork100- yep and its annoying. hell theres even a guy on 9/11 Survivor Questions Official Story on local Fox News that doesnt even believe that the twin towers fell onto the surounding buildings.lol these people are realy pathetic. his name is DodgeDweller420's. he may be the dumbest of the twoofers.
You are speculating here. This was the FIRST time in history that a steel high rise structure EVER collapsed due to fire. Yet you think these "Experts" knew they were going to collapse. They must have been able to see into the future. FIRST TIME IN HISTORY and TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. Not to mention that NIST had to come up with a new phenomenon to explain this collapse. Another FIRST. AMAZING!!!
@infoseeker264 wtc7 was a straight steel building... ive never heard of fire burning down a steel building?? and hmmmm where did the explosions come from?? i agree with you man dont worry about "58ravenfan" HE IS A PURE GOOF
@DodgeDweller420-- again cock boy I didnt vote for bush. and if you believe him your just as fucking stupid as he is. and YES actually steel buildings HAVE falling before do to fire. how about all THREE of the kader building fell too from JUST fire. NO structural damage. or how about McCormick Place? again JUST fire. or AGAIN the Sight and Sound Theater JUST fire. its happend before you all just refuse to accept it. imagine that, truthers wrong again!!
@58ravenfan oh pleaaaaaaase if u werent on bush's dick then u would agree with everyone.. EVERYONE on here knows the truth except for you.. YOUR THE CUM SHOT YOUR MOTHER SHOULD OF SWALLOWED. YOUR A WASTE OF SKIN AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!! keep bringing it pussy i will never stop... i dont back down to GOOOOOOOOOOFS!!!! bush must be riding ur ass hard.... cuz ive never seen anyone defend bush SOO MUCH!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
@58ravenfan WOOOOOOOOT ive bin waiting for you HAHAHAhA.. wtf ?? you did not bring up any valid points to argue about ???? awwww lil bitch goof run out of ideas ??? u dumb fuck... i own u
@DodgeDweller420-- your douchebag ass stoped trying a long time ago. you ran out of points after I DESTROYED your ass and you cried like a lil girl. and I figured you were waiting for me. without me you have nothing to live for. your fucking pathetic
@58ravenfan wow finally i was waiting for along time!! its ok man keep talking your bullshit that no one wants to hear.. keep giving me subs.. by the way these personal messages i get about you are fucking hilarious you want me to send them???
@58ravenfan hmmm didnt you say everyone agrees with you ?????? you still havent shown me ????? people are subbing to me cuz im right and your wrong!! actually i should say everyone that argues against you is right and your wrong!! your a waste of skin like i said!! hahahaha keep em coming bitch!
@58ravenfan hahahaha cock breath!! awwwe is someone getting angry???? please man every video your on people are arguing with you telling you your wrong!! people with a fuckin brain no that was a complete demolition from explosives. but mr Goof (which is you) cant handle the truth! 3 buildings fall down perfectly and you think it wasnt a setup??? ur a gooooooooooof! George Bush fucked up he said he saw the first plane hit the tower while he was in that classroom on TV ???? explain that dumbfuck!
@DodgeDweller420--- not mad at all. your just annoying. just becasue the buildings falls doesnt mean its set up. were it you proof goof? you have none. and he seen the tower on fire and everyone said that a plane hit. thats not that hard. no one ever said bush was smart. even if he was "in on it" he still didnt see a plane hit. so is that all you got?
@58ravenfan u dumb fuck lol... bush was told about the 2nd tower being hit! how the fuck did he see the first one hit on tv ??? pure fuckin setup! then when people asked him he stuttered and mumbled trying to find a fuckin excuse!! u got nothin bro.. what u got next ?? i cant wait gooof
9/11 was an inside job. I'm proud to live in a country where every one in the nation agrees with this FACT, as seen here in youtube, BUT only the propaganda machine doesn't report truth. Now at least people will be able to identify the propaganda machines easier. 9/11 TRUTH! 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
@dmanschaumbizzie I'm saying that REAL people are aware that 9/11 was an inside job. I've never met someone who wasn't at least suspicious of US government involvement in the attacks. Besides who believes a paper passport could have survived that blast anyway. Total Myth. I'm saying people don't believe Fox or CNN anymore they know it is all BS propaganda and lies. There is no demand for the deceitful media. If the country was free and the press wasn't owned, then people would listen again.
@58ravenfan Actually IT IS A FACT, and most people DO KNOW THIS. Try actually talking with some. Some people live in fear and ignorance still, but these are the people the United States government is targeting with that attack. I don't really see the need for non-government people to hide this fact any longer. There is no reason for them to feel shame anymore. Their guilt and embarassment seen through all their hiding and lies has been enough already. Move on.
@tropophyte actually NO. you are wrong. the last poll i seen 27%said they agree with you. and around 35% of Americans beleive in big foot and UFOs. and I dont know a SINGLE person who beleives the lies that you spew.
there you go then, miegs just answered everything about the most complicated disaster in history in under 4 minutes, go back to bed America your questions are answered. Fucking arsehole.
Watch the towers fall, the collapse started at the point of the planes impact, not at the bottom. Show me 1 video of a controlled demolition where the collapse starts in the middle.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. Herman Goering Hitlers # 2
@blackjerryboymetal You are blind. The American "movement" is about liberty and truth but instead we are force fed fascism and lies. The only thing that has died is our Constitution.
@blackjerryboymetal ... yeah, I should be more like you, completely blind and bandwagon ready. I should follow your lead and ignore the other building that "fell down" perfectly, that wasn't even hit with an airplane. I should fall in step with you and trust the same people who do everything else in their control perfectly. Oh wait....why would I do that? Unlike you, my brain isn't made of liquid shit!
Unpopular Dickfannys is surely a front of the M.I.C. What liars these fools are. This is a shameful piece of crap containing not a shred of truth, other than what they are attempting to negate. Liar liar liar pants on fire!! Fox fools, not fooling anyone.
nah look loose change vs Popular mecano the guy using sicology tactics such as not answering directly then do it after getting a complain and things that make u think I
Oh I can feel so much better that Popular Mechanics is telling me that thousands of inconsistencies is due to misinformation and that my anger of the event is displaced into believing a delusion. Whew I was actually thinking that my govt is lying to me and I cant think in history where an empire would lie or kill its people. Ahh im sure there is a good comedy on tv and where is my Prozac. .
If you think this government is bad and you don't like this country then get the fuck out. We normal patriotic Americans won't miss your stupid asses.
Being a "normal patriotic American" should NOT mean being a blind follower of our government's policies.
"Normal (unquestioning) patriotic" Germans blindly followed der Fuhrer until their country was taken over by the Nazis.
Hermann Goering (Hitler's air marshall) :"..the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is ...denounce the pacifists for LACK OF PATRIOTISM, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce
The pentagon init a war on the people's freedom after 2012 we all getting our six senses and people are going to want to avoid the current system for being a big lie from saying natural medicine doesn't work to the Alien military complex
-Danny Jowenko, Dutch demolition expert believes that WTC7 was imploded
-Dr Heikki Kurttila, Finnish safety engineer and & accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority says of WTC 7 "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
How many more so-called "non" experts do you debunkers need before you open your eyes?!!!
The "theory" (and I use the term loosely) that 9-11 was a hoax perpetrated by our own government has been forcefully and continually debunked for years by hundreds of specialists in the appropriate fields of expertise (professionals in government, military, aviation, forensics, photo analysis, structural engineering, demolition, eyewitness accounts, etc). As far as I can tell not one of the mindless morons here that believe it was an "inside job" are qualified in any of the fields mentioned.
Which scientists are you referring to when you say that they have debunked the 9-11 truth movement? Name one.
On the other hand, you can go to the "Patriots question 9-11" website and see the growing (and brave) number of scientists, engineers and college intellectuals that deny the authenticity of the govt version.
Our scientists have forced the NIST shills to constantly change their faulty results because of their shoddy and unscientific approach to explaining the events of 9-11.
If you look at the educational background of these 911 'scholars', almost all of them are educated in English or History or something like that. Technically trained 'scholars' come from Biology or other unrelated sciences. The same is true for Architects for 911 Truth. None of those who list themselves have ANY meaningful experience. There are NO scientists or engineers with meaningful background or education in the 911 Truth Movement. Not one. Or this debate would not be happening.
-Dr David L Griscom, physicist with 33 years of service with the Naval Research Laboratory, Washington DC
-Dr James Quintiere, PhD in mechanical engineering, one of the world's leading fire science researchers and safety engineers
-Richard F Humenn, the WTC's principal electrical engineer
-Dwain A Deets, Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center
Whew glad you told me that so I now I can rest easy. I was thinking crazy that those buildings were demolition and that the pancake theory was what I eat for breakfast. Where is my glass of fluoride and psychotropics along with my glutamate gmo hFCS burger.
So why don' t they kill everyone in the fake movement. You telling me that the government is willing to let this idiots jackoff to their conspiracy fantasies and spoil their whole plot.
i hate this fucking little pencil neck dick fuckboy...911 inside job and these fucks should be shot for treason....take that out of context JIMMY......
According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
Popular Mechanics lost this debate big time according to this poll.
is it me or has he just totally avoided the question of the hole in the pentagon. the question was 'what about the hole?' and he starts discussing an eye witness report of a plane that looked like a missile. have i missed something?
Jones never says molten steel, he says molten metal. Different metals melt at different temps. This asshole (jones) is selling books. He has no proof the the was molten STEEL AND IRON which is what the frame of the WTC is made of. Pay attention to what Jones says, hes an asshole and he implicates and twists what hes saying all the time
im not trying to prove or disprove anything here, and i agree with what you said, but the molten metal was found some days/weeks after the colapse yes? would not heat from the origional fires have been insulated by the rubble and increased in temperature, maybe even enough to melt steel? look at how iron age ppl melted it back then.
These truther morons shoot themselves in the ass by making these loony acusations like no plane,missles,star wars lasers,accusing people with no proof whatsoever,martians ect.ect. Then when somebody makes a credible argument for a real unbiased investigation they get lumped in with those assholes, called loons, and nothing happens. I think Bush don't want any investigation to hide poor decisions, poeple he protected,shady deals, and just plain old incompatance.
To this day I havn't seen anything to convince me those buildings weren't brought down.What makes that goofy MF an expert? He's just an editor for a magazine. Personally I've seen nothing to convince me that 3 buildings could fall that fast in perfect symmetry. I'm not a truther, I don't think it was Bush or the CIA or whatever but something stinks about the way they fell. It's never happened and I'll believe my eye's and my gut. Not a government who's lied about nearly everything they've done.
the thing that gets me the most, is the speed of collapse.if it pancaked down, the floor below couldnt move till floor above hits it, this was a lot of steel made[or built to]remain standing,well how could it fall at aprox. 10fls. per sec. ,cant belive. then the other tower fell in same way,dont think so.i mean all the sky scrapers in the world, no one would ever go in one ever again if this were case. i beilve that.their is somthin else behind this collapse.pop mech lie.govts. lie.
you dont realize how much weight that is, u just dont understand, your to stupid, if you listen you can learn, just try not to listen to theories, listen to facts. loose change = false statements you idiots
loose change is poorly delivered. try watching the 'ripple effect'. it consists of doctors, professors and scholars of physics, chemistry and other scientific disciplines. these people are anything but stupid, in fact they are extremely intelligent. maybe you should do some research into what it takes to be given the status of a professor. and if you think the writers of loose change are stupid, then you independently research evidence supporting the official story and compile it into a video
loose change isnt the only damn thing there is, it was a poorly delivered arguement. thats all....hmmm what you idiots dont get is that this event was physically impossible from the standpoint of physics. weight alone doesnt determine the rate or direction of structural collapse. all you fucking morons keep saying is ; " wow your stupid cause it was like really really super duper heavy and stuff". go drown yourselves please. natural selection isnt working
What about Building 7? I guess that one was a failed building, was it? L0L
gnossticc 3 weeks ago
I like how the believers of the 9/11 fairytale never bring up David Ray Griffin, look him up
"It doesn't need to melt steel" How do you explain the pools of it 3 month after & the WTC7 steel which had intergranual melting?
/watch?v=7ySUrEiVFIM
"No building could handle fire" Erm.. 1 NY Plaza, Caracas Tower, Windsor Tower, Mandarin Hotel
"Plane hit the Pentagon" Well show us the 84 tapes taken by the FBI & the plane debris
United 93 Again, plane debris & the unreleased parts of the black boxes?
FamousNoName 2 months ago
So... everyone that believes any of the theories is angry and ignorant?
rubantin 4 months ago
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venom6622 6 months ago
When the question comes about the hole in the Pentagon, the PM guy didn't even answer the question. The question was "the hole wasn't big enough it must have been a missile." And the PM guy just comes back with a reporter's quote who witnessed it. He can't explain the actual impact!
marinecorps29 7 months ago
"The conspiracy people" I love that! So...anyone who asks questions & has concerns about the NON-DEBUNKED information or shall i say MIS information about 9/11 is a "Conspirator"? Gimme a break!
RachelETrapp 8 months ago
evil lieing scumbag
shackle5 9 months ago
lol 911 truthers are so damn lame
claton95 9 months ago
Also, why did the government quarantine ground zero immediately after the attacks and destroy the rubble so it couldnt be tested? Why does Bush's family have long time ties with the CEO of the contracting company that renovated the buildings? Why was all the paperwork regarding the work done on the buildings "lost" in the attacks? Why is there only ONE video of a plane hitting the pentagon? And why is it of horrible quality? Probably the most secure place in the country only had ONE camera on?
GLachney 10 months ago
The government is not telling us the whole story. There is an indisputable amount of evidence. Building seven fell in a freefall. How is that possible if it is not severed below? Dr. Jones found residue of explosive material in the debris of the buildings. Why in the world would anyone put that into a foundationf of a building? Look at the planes in the clips. Do you see any paint on them? Any windows? Like a commercial airliner? Or just grey, like a military plane?
GLachney 10 months ago
@GLachney building 7 is you guys last resort. the one hope you all fall back on when you see evidence that destroys your youtube researched theories.
AtomicHercules 9 months ago
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venom6622 6 months ago
"...yet you are trying to twist things around just to add confusion..." I didn't realise that discussing a critical support member of a structure that collapsed, is an attempt at confusion.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
Its obvious that P/M was given the task of siding with the official story. They say they did the fact checking but its obvious they didn't. P/M suggests that 25% of the face of WTC7 was scooped out from the collapse of the towers. Where did they get this fact? Not the NIST report. Its bogus.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 --there pictures and eyewitness acounts of a 20 story hole in the building caused by the collapse on the twin towers.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan I understand they claimed to have pix of this. Why haven't the rest of us seen these pix? It's obvious you haven't read the NIST report regarding WTC-7 collapse. NIST claims the collapse was due to FIRE ALONE and not the damage to the building.
It seems P/M didn't think it could collapse from fire alone and had to claim the damage was at fault.
I just found it strange that they had facts that NIST and the rest of us didn't.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264-----actually no they shown the pix and I have seen them. its also in there book about 9/11. and here is what NIST said about WTC7 .--Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows: An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan The final report says the structure would have collapse even without the damage caused by the falling debris. Where can I see these pix?
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264----CONT....Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@infoseeker264--CONT....disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
so basicaly if there werent fires the building wouldnt have fallen that day.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan Do you realize it took you longer to type all this than it did for the building to collapse? Don't you think that is ODD? A progressive collapse would have taken much longer and wouldn't have fallen into itself.
This building was a very strong structure and that is why it was chosen by our government to house the emergency management canter. That was NEVER used that day.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264---it would have collapsed but it fell faster because of the damage. and all you have to do is gogle it. its also in the popular mechanics book. google damage to wtc 7
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan I understand all this. I have been looking into this for years. How can NIST have it both ways.
Their report states that “The WTC towers likely would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact damage and the extensive, multi-floor fires if the thermal insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.”
Yet WTC-7 collapsed due fire and NONE of it's insulation was dislodged.
It makes no sense...
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264--- because tower 7 was on fire for several hours unfought. if the water was working they might have been able to put them out. these werent little fires. they were raging.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan If you look at the video and pix you will notice not all floors were burning at the same time... I have watched nearly every video there is and I have yet to see a RAGING fire in WTC-7. You only seen a few flames coming out of the windows. Have you seen other RAGING fires? I guess not...
As far as the water goes, the building was a short distance from the RIVER. It wouldn't have been out of the norm to use river water to fight a fire.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264----- I actually seen video of that. they were trying to get water from the river befor the twin towers collapsed. im not sure if they continued to try after they collapsed or not but I did see that. and there are TONS of quotes from firemen who were in the building. i will try and find them all for you. plus videos of the firemen hours befor it collapsed saying they heard creeking noises and seen the building tilt a little and they knew it was comeing down.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan As far as the creaking sounds and the building leaning. There is ONLY talk of this. NO PROOF. NIST even said in their WTC-7 Report that the collapse was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. THis means SOMEONE is lying. Right? Why?
If these firemen knew it was going to collapse, I believe they were TOLD it was going to collapse.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 Why would firemen talk of the leaning and creaking if there wasn't any? Were they hallucinating?
They also used a transit to verify that it was not standing straight.
Because of its instability, the building was widely expected to collapse.
No one told the firefighters it was likely to collapse. They're the ones who told everyone else.
I realize this undermines your CD theory and that's why you so strenuously want to discredit the firefighters.
buddyfreakinhoIIy 1 year ago
@buddyfreakinhoIIy I have no idea. I try to stick to the actual facts. NIST said in its final report that the collapse of WTC-7 was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
There were just as many eyewitnesses that said they heard only typical fire noises coming from WTC-7.
How do you explain the count-down over the police radio just before the collapse? THEY MUST BE VERY GOOD AT PREDICTING A BUILDINGS COLLAPSE IF THEY WERE ABLE TO DO A COUNT-DOWN. Don't you think?
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 With the creeking, whining and moaning sounds that were heard and described by the firefighters, where would the predictability be in the collapse? You want to insinuate the NIST or the fire dept. was lying, which is another lame attempt at trying to paint a picture of subversive activity on their part, when they were being true to the circumstances at hand.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100-- thank you. we all know that no high rise has never fallen before but also no high rise has ever had this much damage done to it either. so yes it was "unprecedented" but not impossible
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100 I was NOT the one that said the Collapse was UNPREDICTABLE. NIST is the ones that said this.
I asked you which ones were lying. You boweevers cant have it both ways.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 "You boweevers cant have it both ways" Uh, actually truthers are the ones implying false premises here and this one of yours is no exception. Neither the firefighters were lying nor NIST. You are the one that has to show where the predictability would be, since according to you, either NIST or the FDNY is lying. Thanks.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100---- they always contradict themselves. like the say the buildings had explosives in them then they come back with that thermite BS. and hell lets not even get started on the dumbasses who believe in the "death ray" thing or the "no planers". lol. they cant even get there story straight on what happend.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan Yeah, it's a shame that there are people that are actually this pittiful out there. I always feel like they are trying out their act for a comedy routine on us here on these vids. There is no way that anyone is that ignorant.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100----- I didnt think there was either umtill I started talking to these idiots. it amazes me how dumb some people are.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan I was told about them by a friend and then I came on here, because I didn't believe him and lo and behold, it is everything that he said it was and more.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100---I know right. I mean I heard of stupid people before but DAMN!! lol.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100 Are you that thick? All you Boweevers keep pointing out that first responders said the collapsed was predictable. NIST said it was UNPREDICTABLE.
You cant have it both ways.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 You're thick and you're trying to have it both ways. Try again.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100 I never claimed to have it both way.
You boweevers are the one that keep contradicting the official story. You claim to believe the official story yet you say just the opposite. Do your research and know the facts before you think you're an expert.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 Yeah you are. You keep posting it each time. I haven't contradicted the ov. You just refuse or simply are incapable of understanding the ov. I haven't said anything that contradicts the ov. "Do your research and know the facts before you think you're an expert." A post that you should take to heart.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100 Typical Boweever tactic. LOL!!!
You say the collapse was predictable yet you believe the official story. You do realize the official story says it was unpredictable?
LOL! How foolish!
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 Please show me where there were firefighters saying they were afraid that column 79 was going to fail at any moment and cause the collapse of the building. Please show me where in NIST's report they say that the failure of column 79 was not the initiating failure point. Thanks for the laughs in advance.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100 NOW this is SO TYPICAL from a BOWEEVER.
I NEVER said anything about Column 79 yet you are trying to twist things around just to add confusion. A childish attempt to turn things around. You cant address my response so you twist it around.
SO CHILDISH.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 No, I am not twisting anything around. I asked you a direct, relevent and simple question and instead of answering it, you are complaining about me personally. THAT is typical twoofer discussion technique. I don't distort anything. That is the work of twoofers, internet wide, too. I specifically DID add column 79 with relevent questions about it. Another waste of a post and, bandwith.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
@MrSkunkwork100 Whatever. it is so simple. NIST said it was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. You say it was predictable.
WHich is it?
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 Please show me where there is any measure of predictability in chaos. Where are there firefighters discussing column 79 and showing concern that from the failure of column 79 the building was going to collapse? And where in the NIST report, the failure of column 79 WASN'T the focal point of failure? Thanks.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
@MrSkunkwork100- the stupidity of these people amaze me every day. lol
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan Yeah, no kidding.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
@MrSkunkwork100 I NEVER said anything about predictability. YOU DID.
You are trying to put words in my mouth I NEVER SAID ANYTHING about column 79.
This is getting very sickening. If you cant stop twisting things around, don't bother responding.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 No I didn't. You are the one expecting predictability in a chaotic event.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
@MrSkunkwork100 I never said any such thing.
You are not making any sense.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 That's because I am being logical. And, yes you did.
MrSkunkwork100 11 months ago
@infoseeker264- were did NIST say it was "UNPREDICTABLE"
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan Now I know you didn't read the report. I am NOT going to read it for you. If you don't do your research, don't claim to be an expert. Its all in the report.
If you don't take the time to read it, stop wasting our time.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264- I did read most of the fucking thing. all you got to do is tell me were you read it was "UNPREDICTABLE". at what passage? its a very simple question.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan There is your problem. You didn't read all of it. I believe some of it also. I am not going to tell you where it is as I feel its important for you to read the entire report if you want to comment on it. Do you research and then we can continue our conversation.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264- okay the thing is over 10,000 pages so I doubt you read it all. so I ask YET AGAIN were did you read that? it is a very simple question that you can not answer and this is why not many people believe your BS. do your research and present the evidence.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan I have done my research. I am NOT doing yours. Especially after these comments.
When you said you read MOST of it, how many pages were you talking about? I doubt you read it at all - and you think I'm spreading BS.
If you watch the NIST videos you will even hear them saying it was totally unpredictable. Did you do any research?
Stop wasting our time...
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264---I never once said I read the whole thing. and again you dumb fuck, if you want to present something as evidance you must have PROOF to where you get your info. so AGAIN where did you read that????? ery simple fucking question!!!!!!
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan You expect me to provide you proof yet NIST didn't provide any proof of how these towers collapsed and you believe them. Talk about a Dumb Fuck.
Pull your head out of your ass...
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264----lol. OMFG. are you serious??? NIST DID explain the collapse. lol. god your retarded. and if NIST didnt expplain the collapse as your are trying to say then how do you dissagree with the NIST report?? lol. god you people are pathetic.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan Yes I am serious. The computer model they used to prove the collapse didn't even MATCH the actual collapse. Only a gullible reTard would buy this crap.
Only a pathetic looser could read this report and buy into it. If you use your brain you would not only see that NIST's explanation doesn't fit but it doesn't really say how the "Progressive Collapse" happened. You hear the words Progressive Collapse and automatically believe it. Big words must do it for you.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264------uh no jack ass it shows the WHOLE collapse and matches it almost exactly. and they even explained wht it look the way it did. god you are a dumbass!!
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan You are in DENIAL if you think it matched. LOOK AGAIN.
Pathetic...
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264--- i have seen them side by side. YOU are the pathetic one.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan I wish I was a car salesman and you were in need of a car. It seems you would buy anything. LOL!!!
Look at them again. You will see in the model that the sides toward the top pulled in towards the center of the building. Show me the actual video that shows this. Moron.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264------no actually the modle and the actuall collapse show the main collapse starting at the bottom middle pulling in the beams thus collpaseing the building the way it did. and hea YOU are the dumbass that believes anuthing people tell you without even looking to see if its true or not.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan
What, were you about 14 years old when this happened? Im actually embarrassed to find this out. Im wasting my time with someone that didn't even really understand what was happened that day. You tell me that I am the dumb ass for believing others... Its obvious you haven't read the report or you wouldn't have made these comments. You are really making yourself look like a fool.
Talk about calling the kettle black. I trust you know what that means. God you are pathetic.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264--- what does it matter how old I was when it happend? I read the damn report. I wasnt around during the world wars but I know what happend. Its called reading. doing research. you should try it! you may bee the most pathetic person on here
58ravenfan 11 months ago
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@58ravenfan You were too young to understand what was happening that day. You said:
"and hea YOU are the dumbass that believes anuthing people tell you without even looking to see if its true or not."
It seems you don't know was "calling the kettle black" means. What a fool. Where did you get your info? You had to hear it from others and you obviously haven't checked to see if its true or not. Dumb Ass.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264------yes I did check things out. you go to alex jones type sites and believe whatever he tells you without doing any research. its called reading from history. you should try it dumb ass
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@58ravenfan Dude, Now you are just lying. Its obvious that you haven't read the report or you wouldn't have responded with such LAME and STUPIS comments.
Move on. You are wasting everyones time.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
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@infoseeker264-----god your fucking retarded!! you asked if I read the report and I asked WHICH ONE??? there is a 9/11 comition report and there is a NIST report. so its very OBVIOUS you have no fucking clue of what you are talking about!!!
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@infoseeker264 Ok guys I don't know which one of you thinks that 9/11 was a cover-up, but YOU would be correct. The NIST report states the buildings went down by extreme fire; you talk to any physicist and he will tell you that's not the case. Multiple buildings have burned for days on and and not completely collapsed. Building 7 fell completely at a freefall. It wasn't even hit! And for it to do that, it had to have been severed below somehow. Dr. Jones tested material and found explosives.
GLachney 10 months ago
@GLachney Thank You. It just amazes me how people believe the official story without even thinking about it. I agree with Dr, Jones findings its just that these believers are too hard headed to understand this. Why hasn't the media picked up on more of this?
infoseeker264 10 months ago
@58ravenfan Let me ask you. How many pages do you think the report is? And, how many pages have you read?
If you actually read the report. you wouldn't be making these stupid comments. Your explanation of how WTC-7 collapsed isn't even close. LOL! Fool.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
@infoseeker264---- which one are you talking about? the 9/11 comition report or the NIST report? the NIST report is about 10.000. and no i didnt read the whole thing but you didnt read ANY of it. and yes it IS close you fool.
58ravenfan 11 months ago
@infoseeker264-- i actualy think they said "unprecedented". it wasnt that unpredictable because they had experts out there that said all of the WTC towers would have to come down because there was too much damage to them. now take that much damage plus the fires. there was no way to stop the building from comeing down.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan Yes, this is another case of a truther trying to assign some measure of predictabilty to a chaotic event.
MrSkunkwork100 1 year ago
@MrSkunkwork100- yep and its annoying. hell theres even a guy on 9/11 Survivor Questions Official Story on local Fox News that doesnt even believe that the twin towers fell onto the surounding buildings.lol these people are realy pathetic. his name is DodgeDweller420's. he may be the dumbest of the twoofers.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan They said UNPREDICTABLE.
You are speculating here. This was the FIRST time in history that a steel high rise structure EVER collapsed due to fire. Yet you think these "Experts" knew they were going to collapse. They must have been able to see into the future. FIRST TIME IN HISTORY and TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE. Not to mention that NIST had to come up with a new phenomenon to explain this collapse. Another FIRST. AMAZING!!!
NIST said it - TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264----- where? where did they say that? watch " FDNY - WTC 7 is going to collapse " listen to what he said.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan The Final NIST Report that wasn't released until years after the collapsed said the collapse was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE.
You cant have it both ways...
infoseeker264 1 year ago
@infoseeker264---watch FDNY - WTC 7 is going to collapse they new because they seen the inside and outside
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan I understand that.
If they knew it was going to collapse, WHY did NIST say it was TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE?
It doesn't add up.
infoseeker264 1 year ago
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@infoseeker264 "I have watched nearly every video there is and I have yet to see a RAGING fire in WTC-7."
I guess you can't rely solely on videos. They don't show the interior areas of the building.
buddyfreakinhoIIy 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 I AGREE WITH YOU MAN 58RAVENFAN IS A GOOOOOOOOF HE RIDES BUSH'S DICK SOOOOO HARD!!! 9/11= INSIDE JOB!!!!!!!!
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@infoseeker264 wtc7 was a straight steel building... ive never heard of fire burning down a steel building?? and hmmmm where did the explosions come from?? i agree with you man dont worry about "58ravenfan" HE IS A PURE GOOF
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420-- again cock boy I didnt vote for bush. and if you believe him your just as fucking stupid as he is. and YES actually steel buildings HAVE falling before do to fire. how about all THREE of the kader building fell too from JUST fire. NO structural damage. or how about McCormick Place? again JUST fire. or AGAIN the Sight and Sound Theater JUST fire. its happend before you all just refuse to accept it. imagine that, truthers wrong again!!
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan oh pleaaaaaaase if u werent on bush's dick then u would agree with everyone.. EVERYONE on here knows the truth except for you.. YOUR THE CUM SHOT YOUR MOTHER SHOULD OF SWALLOWED. YOUR A WASTE OF SKIN AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!!! keep bringing it pussy i will never stop... i dont back down to GOOOOOOOOOOFS!!!! bush must be riding ur ass hard.... cuz ive never seen anyone defend bush SOO MUCH!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420---- awww lil bitch is here to cry again? bring it cum guzler you aint got shit!!
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan WOOOOOOOOT ive bin waiting for you HAHAHAhA.. wtf ?? you did not bring up any valid points to argue about ???? awwww lil bitch goof run out of ideas ??? u dumb fuck... i own u
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420-- your douchebag ass stoped trying a long time ago. you ran out of points after I DESTROYED your ass and you cried like a lil girl. and I figured you were waiting for me. without me you have nothing to live for. your fucking pathetic
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan wow finally i was waiting for along time!! its ok man keep talking your bullshit that no one wants to hear.. keep giving me subs.. by the way these personal messages i get about you are fucking hilarious you want me to send them???
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420---- good one you got subs. oh my, that must mean that you have pfroof that your right. if so lets see it lil bitch boy.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan hmmm didnt you say everyone agrees with you ?????? you still havent shown me ????? people are subbing to me cuz im right and your wrong!! actually i should say everyone that argues against you is right and your wrong!! your a waste of skin like i said!! hahahaha keep em coming bitch!
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420--- look at the fuckin polls cock breath. as I said before more people believe in big foot and UFOs. deal with it.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan hahahaha cock breath!! awwwe is someone getting angry???? please man every video your on people are arguing with you telling you your wrong!! people with a fuckin brain no that was a complete demolition from explosives. but mr Goof (which is you) cant handle the truth! 3 buildings fall down perfectly and you think it wasnt a setup??? ur a gooooooooooof! George Bush fucked up he said he saw the first plane hit the tower while he was in that classroom on TV ???? explain that dumbfuck!
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@DodgeDweller420--- not mad at all. your just annoying. just becasue the buildings falls doesnt mean its set up. were it you proof goof? you have none. and he seen the tower on fire and everyone said that a plane hit. thats not that hard. no one ever said bush was smart. even if he was "in on it" he still didnt see a plane hit. so is that all you got?
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan u dumb fuck lol... bush was told about the 2nd tower being hit! how the fuck did he see the first one hit on tv ??? pure fuckin setup! then when people asked him he stuttered and mumbled trying to find a fuckin excuse!! u got nothin bro.. what u got next ?? i cant wait gooof
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
@58ravenfan keep em coming gooooooooooof
DodgeDweller420 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job. I'm proud to live in a country where every one in the nation agrees with this FACT, as seen here in youtube, BUT only the propaganda machine doesn't report truth. Now at least people will be able to identify the propaganda machines easier. 9/11 TRUTH! 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
tropophyte 1 year ago
@tropophyte everyone in the nation thinks its a fact? what are you even talking about?
dmanschaumbizzie 1 year ago
@dmanschaumbizzie I'm saying that REAL people are aware that 9/11 was an inside job. I've never met someone who wasn't at least suspicious of US government involvement in the attacks. Besides who believes a paper passport could have survived that blast anyway. Total Myth. I'm saying people don't believe Fox or CNN anymore they know it is all BS propaganda and lies. There is no demand for the deceitful media. If the country was free and the press wasn't owned, then people would listen again.
tropophyte 1 year ago
@tropophyte-- its NOT a FACT and people for the most part DONT agree with you. more people beleive in bigfoot or UFOs than this BS!!
58ravenfan 1 year ago
@58ravenfan Actually IT IS A FACT, and most people DO KNOW THIS. Try actually talking with some. Some people live in fear and ignorance still, but these are the people the United States government is targeting with that attack. I don't really see the need for non-government people to hide this fact any longer. There is no reason for them to feel shame anymore. Their guilt and embarassment seen through all their hiding and lies has been enough already. Move on.
tropophyte 1 year ago
@tropophyte actually NO. you are wrong. the last poll i seen 27%said they agree with you. and around 35% of Americans beleive in big foot and UFOs. and I dont know a SINGLE person who beleives the lies that you spew.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
why is the title of this that they attack jones and 9/11 truth? he didnt say anything about them did he? plus he was just telling the truth.
58ravenfan 1 year ago
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cloudburstlenepmhq 1 year ago
there you go then, miegs just answered everything about the most complicated disaster in history in under 4 minutes, go back to bed America your questions are answered. Fucking arsehole.
mtlaw007 1 year ago
Watch the towers fall, the collapse started at the point of the planes impact, not at the bottom. Show me 1 video of a controlled demolition where the collapse starts in the middle.
intrepidorator 1 year ago
if someone said they shot down #93 is puting their name i vain for how brave they were
TheIrishryan 1 year ago
Windsor
ElPeruanoUFO 1 year ago
look how they show Bin Ladin in the video. WAKE UP AMERICA! Youtube Bin Ladin dead...
85Tourist 1 year ago
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Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. Herman Goering Hitlers # 2
85Tourist 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal You are blind. The American "movement" is about liberty and truth but instead we are force fed fascism and lies. The only thing that has died is our Constitution.
soslinio 1 year ago
MEDIA = PUPPETS
soslinio 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal ... yeah, I should be more like you, completely blind and bandwagon ready. I should follow your lead and ignore the other building that "fell down" perfectly, that wasn't even hit with an airplane. I should fall in step with you and trust the same people who do everything else in their control perfectly. Oh wait....why would I do that? Unlike you, my brain isn't made of liquid shit!
soslinio 1 year ago
Unpopular Dickfannys is surely a front of the M.I.C. What liars these fools are. This is a shameful piece of crap containing not a shred of truth, other than what they are attempting to negate. Liar liar liar pants on fire!! Fox fools, not fooling anyone.
quarkmuffin37 1 year ago
Popular Mechanics just lost my respect and money.
soslinio 1 year ago
Phail @ 2:08
check Madrid Windsor in 2005
ElPeruanoUFO 1 year ago
theres no 911 conspiracy
DivineBeast99 2 years ago
nah look loose change vs Popular mecano the guy using sicology tactics such as not answering directly then do it after getting a complain and things that make u think I
ElPeruanoUFO 1 year ago
The "Debunkers" pit demon snake king.
AiresQX4 2 years ago
why was nano thermite found at the bottom of wtc.......
duchesseagle404 2 years ago 2
Look at this propaganda machine. There is no counter argument and that at no time relevant in the report, they show video of Osama Bin Laden.
josephstra 2 years ago
Oh I can feel so much better that Popular Mechanics is telling me that thousands of inconsistencies is due to misinformation and that my anger of the event is displaced into believing a delusion. Whew I was actually thinking that my govt is lying to me and I cant think in history where an empire would lie or kill its people. Ahh im sure there is a good comedy on tv and where is my Prozac. .
moonpiester 2 years ago
Not in this day and age douche
squashfreak9999 2 years ago
If you think this government is bad and you don't like this country then get the fuck out. We normal patriotic Americans won't miss your stupid asses.
bringinhomesara 2 years ago
Being a "normal patriotic American" should NOT mean being a blind follower of our government's policies.
"Normal (unquestioning) patriotic" Germans blindly followed der Fuhrer until their country was taken over by the Nazis.
Hermann Goering (Hitler's air marshall) :"..the people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is ...denounce the pacifists for LACK OF PATRIOTISM, and exposing the country to greater danger."
adamrosemead 2 years ago 2
Our country is not the only thing to which we owe our allegiance. It is also owed to justice and to humanity. Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce
adamrosemead 2 years ago
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R. Murrow
adamrosemead 2 years ago
yeah. thats what we told the indians, and the mexicans, and the african slaves, and the chinese.
we're patriots. we dont know shit about thomas paine but fuck yeah america.
usa kicks ass. do we know what a military-industrial complex is? nope. does it matter if a president warned us about it in his farewell address?
nope. cuz i dont know anyone before kennedy.
ethnocentric? too big a word.
USA USA USA!
courtesyclerk 2 years ago
The pentagon init a war on the people's freedom after 2012 we all getting our six senses and people are going to want to avoid the current system for being a big lie from saying natural medicine doesn't work to the Alien military complex
ElPeruanoUFO 1 year ago
Just bow down to your snake kings.
AiresQX4 2 years ago
How about more 9-11 "non" experts?
-Ben Lund, demolition expert
-Danny Jowenko, Dutch demolition expert believes that WTC7 was imploded
-Dr Heikki Kurttila, Finnish safety engineer and & accident analyst for the Finnish National Safety Technology Authority says of WTC 7 "The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition."
How many more so-called "non" experts do you debunkers need before you open your eyes?!!!
adamrosemead 2 years ago
The "theory" (and I use the term loosely) that 9-11 was a hoax perpetrated by our own government has been forcefully and continually debunked for years by hundreds of specialists in the appropriate fields of expertise (professionals in government, military, aviation, forensics, photo analysis, structural engineering, demolition, eyewitness accounts, etc). As far as I can tell not one of the mindless morons here that believe it was an "inside job" are qualified in any of the fields mentioned.
motownmaniax 2 years ago
Which scientists are you referring to when you say that they have debunked the 9-11 truth movement? Name one.
On the other hand, you can go to the "Patriots question 9-11" website and see the growing (and brave) number of scientists, engineers and college intellectuals that deny the authenticity of the govt version.
Our scientists have forced the NIST shills to constantly change their faulty results because of their shoddy and unscientific approach to explaining the events of 9-11.
adamrosemead 2 years ago
If you look at the educational background of these 911 'scholars', almost all of them are educated in English or History or something like that. Technically trained 'scholars' come from Biology or other unrelated sciences. The same is true for Architects for 911 Truth. None of those who list themselves have ANY meaningful experience. There are NO scientists or engineers with meaningful background or education in the 911 Truth Movement. Not one. Or this debate would not be happening.
EtonSmegma 2 years ago
EtonSmegma says "There are NO scientists or engineers with meaningful background or education in the 911 Truth Movement. Not one." REALLY?
How about:
-Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, PhD in materials engineering
-Henry W Tieleman, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Engineering Science & Mechanics
-Marx Ayres, designer of high rise buildings and former member the National Inst of Sciences Building Safety Council
-Dr Joerg Schneider & Dr Hugo Bachmann, professors of structural engineering
adamrosemead 2 years ago
-Dennis Kollar, structural engineer
-Charles Pegelow, structural engineer
-Doyle Winterton, structural engineer, retired
-Haluk Akol, structural engineer & architect
-Michael T Donly, P.E., structural engineer
-William Rice, P.E., structural engineer & former professor at Vermont Tech College
-Dr David L Griscom, a prominent physicist with 33 years of service with the Naval Research Laboratory
-Dr Lynn Margulies, world renowned scientist, recipient of the National Medal of Science
MORE?
adamrosemead 2 years ago
-Dr David L Griscom, physicist with 33 years of service with the Naval Research Laboratory, Washington DC
-Dr James Quintiere, PhD in mechanical engineering, one of the world's leading fire science researchers and safety engineers
-Richard F Humenn, the WTC's principal electrical engineer
-Dwain A Deets, Former Director for Research, Director for Aeronautical Projects, and Flight Research Program Manager for NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center
-Dr Crockett Grabbe, physics professor
adamrosemead 2 years ago
Whew glad you told me that so I now I can rest easy. I was thinking crazy that those buildings were demolition and that the pancake theory was what I eat for breakfast. Where is my glass of fluoride and psychotropics along with my glutamate gmo hFCS burger.
moonpiester 2 years ago
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undajun2 2 years ago
So why don' t they kill everyone in the fake movement. You telling me that the government is willing to let this idiots jackoff to their conspiracy fantasies and spoil their whole plot.
AmericasFan 2 years ago
wtc building 7
jet fuel does not burn 2500degrees
both towers fell exactly the same plus building 7
if that was true the building would bend fall like a lego tower
plus they hit the top part of the towers in 1991 bombing of the basement no collapse what the hell
well im not a monkey and didnt evolve from a monkey either
i hope the evil murders and plotters of 911
burn in hell and have to answer to jesus and his father almighty GOD
stig422 2 years ago
i hate this fucking little pencil neck dick fuckboy...911 inside job and these fucks should be shot for treason....take that out of context JIMMY......
alecboi84 2 years ago
Jim, we are looking for answers like how do fires completely collaspe a steel frame building and what about the molten metal.
Hydrocarbon fueled fires does not do that.
Explain Jim.
CTCADGUY 2 years ago
NIST is part of the Bush Commerce Department.
Believe NIST and your an idiot.
CTCADGUY 2 years ago
According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
Popular Mechanics lost this debate big time according to this poll.
CTCADGUY 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Bunch of lying america haters, Steven Jones and the other moonbats.
Popular Mechanics TROUNCES these idiots.
justabill61 2 years ago
Mr. Meigs is a LIAR working for the Gov't.
Don't trust P.Mechanics' claims. NIST either.
watch?v=_3uQI2msoDA
katyu16 2 years ago
I say the same thing about Alex Jones, Uncle Fetzer, Grandpa Griffin and every conspiracy nutjob out there.
AmericasFan 2 years ago
is it me or has he just totally avoided the question of the hole in the pentagon. the question was 'what about the hole?' and he starts discussing an eye witness report of a plane that looked like a missile. have i missed something?
headpistol1 3 years ago
so to those who do believe what we have been told pertaining to the science of 9/11.
What WOULD cause a fire to burn for 2 months.
I understand official reports list the fire as extinguished in the first week of Dec.
raisin37 3 years ago
So narrow minded.
Punisher2all 3 years ago
bigest load of bullshit on youtube.... 911 wasnt an inside job?? haha, dont make me laff fox news might aswell be called nwo news lol
wantedlonewolf 3 years ago
Jones never says molten steel, he says molten metal. Different metals melt at different temps. This asshole (jones) is selling books. He has no proof the the was molten STEEL AND IRON which is what the frame of the WTC is made of. Pay attention to what Jones says, hes an asshole and he implicates and twists what hes saying all the time
kerasi12 3 years ago
but molten steel was found so that negates his statement of no steel melting, and the fbi had their hand in the first wtc attacks
tghooker 3 years ago
im not trying to prove or disprove anything here, and i agree with what you said, but the molten metal was found some days/weeks after the colapse yes? would not heat from the origional fires have been insulated by the rubble and increased in temperature, maybe even enough to melt steel? look at how iron age ppl melted it back then.
nikolaandy 3 years ago
These truther morons shoot themselves in the ass by making these loony acusations like no plane,missles,star wars lasers,accusing people with no proof whatsoever,martians ect.ect. Then when somebody makes a credible argument for a real unbiased investigation they get lumped in with those assholes, called loons, and nothing happens. I think Bush don't want any investigation to hide poor decisions, poeple he protected,shady deals, and just plain old incompatance.
mikebuhroo 3 years ago
To this day I havn't seen anything to convince me those buildings weren't brought down.What makes that goofy MF an expert? He's just an editor for a magazine. Personally I've seen nothing to convince me that 3 buildings could fall that fast in perfect symmetry. I'm not a truther, I don't think it was Bush or the CIA or whatever but something stinks about the way they fell. It's never happened and I'll believe my eye's and my gut. Not a government who's lied about nearly everything they've done.
mikebuhroo 3 years ago
man i hate this bastard..he has written on his face:'i'm a liar'...how somebody just can lie professionaly like him?
originalorol 3 years ago
the thing that gets me the most, is the speed of collapse.if it pancaked down, the floor below couldnt move till floor above hits it, this was a lot of steel made[or built to]remain standing,well how could it fall at aprox. 10fls. per sec. ,cant belive. then the other tower fell in same way,dont think so.i mean all the sky scrapers in the world, no one would ever go in one ever again if this were case. i beilve that.their is somthin else behind this collapse.pop mech lie.govts. lie.
tone4624 3 years ago
you dont realize how much weight that is, u just dont understand, your to stupid, if you listen you can learn, just try not to listen to theories, listen to facts. loose change = false statements you idiots
pizzledizzlewizzle 3 years ago
agreed pizzle. Loose change merely exposes the fact that there's alot of stupid people out there
lyethian 3 years ago
loose change is poorly delivered. try watching the 'ripple effect'. it consists of doctors, professors and scholars of physics, chemistry and other scientific disciplines. these people are anything but stupid, in fact they are extremely intelligent. maybe you should do some research into what it takes to be given the status of a professor. and if you think the writers of loose change are stupid, then you independently research evidence supporting the official story and compile it into a video
headpistol1 3 years ago
you wouldnt know where to begin would you? i doubt you have the intelligence to form an argument based on scientific facts.
headpistol1 3 years ago
loose change isnt the only damn thing there is, it was a poorly delivered arguement. thats all....hmmm what you idiots dont get is that this event was physically impossible from the standpoint of physics. weight alone doesnt determine the rate or direction of structural collapse. all you fucking morons keep saying is ; " wow your stupid cause it was like really really super duper heavy and stuff". go drown yourselves please. natural selection isnt working
runelord37 3 years ago