Ahmad Deedat vs Anis Shorrosh... Debate Quran or the Bible Q and A Session 15 of 28

[MrTonyshit80]

Shut up you shorroh...what the fucking hole shorroh...fuck you...fuck you forever...

[MrTonyshit80]

what the fucking shorroh.....I will ask the donkey to fuck your hole

[muhammedquran]

WHY MUSLIMS SAY THE HOLY BIBLE HAS BEEN CORRUPTED

Muslims claim that the bible is corrupted because the quran had satanic verses inside it put in by muhammed when he was deceived by satan.The Holy Bible which only contains the words of God Almighty is far superior to the quran.So they came up with this lie saying the bible is corrupted to make the quran look flawless...how cunning!!!

[martir4din]

@muhammedquran

you have no words and try to hide from the truth...so you said that Quran had satanic verses...how about incest and pornographity in bible..is it from God or satan..?

[reemreemaaa]

@muhammedquran Excuse me, but is a international truth that the Bible has been corrputed and changed. As Ahmed Deedat shows us and explains, we need just compare Bibles of different editions to see how things are eliminated or added. A old Bible in the museum of London will show different words (and ofc meanings) of another Bible. Also historicaly we see how Bible's been changed according to wht the different moments of history has needed it. That's corrupt the book. So, hw can u say it's not?

[muhammedquran]

Anish is just too much for old deedat to handle.Anish is clearly the winner!!

[muhammedquran]

Anish is just too much for old deedat to handle.Anish is clearly the winner!!

[martir4din]

He's making all audience counfuse, even christian. what that's mean he used an arabic garment, and i think he 'sn't appropriate to be a debater but beggar. shame you mr sorosh...poor you are...let go to be a pimp

[MrBujorn]

omg hes misinterpretting alot of things and he doesnt even know wat hes saying he didnt even answer MR.late Ahmed Deedat's questions HES SOO BORING! NO WONDER THE PEOPLE ARE BOOING

[lovednthate96]

why Anis Shorrosh is in American Jail because of destroying tax evidence & setting a house on fire? He should not be in jail because Jesus already paid for his sin!!

[bprat87]

i wished these videos have fast forward button.... Anis sooo boring.. shut up man.

[livingonmyon]

no high comments on this part??!!

quick someone say shorrosh is a pethatic stupid little man lool.. :P

[theblackrose1969]

@Thechrissy48...How many christrians came to Africa under the guise of teaching the pagans about Jesus. Little did they know...they already knew about Jesus...as a Prophet. Yet, that did not suit the commercial and colonizing aspirations of christrian Europe...England, Spain, France etc. They had to dehumanize whole nations and tribes of people to "save" them with the blood of christ!!!! Soon truth will stand clear before error...we will all come to know who lies & who tells the truth.

[drfflame]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahaha "mistakes in the arabic of the qur'an" omg all the words he said where where names!!!!! if my name is john and an arab called me john then he is wrong? and the "gramatical mistakes" are all because he misinterprited the verse he doesnt even posess simple arabic grammer how come u cant figure out a noun from a verb? or what is the subject of the sentence?

[drfflame]

omg he is so ignorant he doesnt even know what is "mansokh" means i cant believe that he was an arab :( and on a plus side he couldnt get to the level of reading arabic!!!!!!!!!

[killamindz138]

I thought his mother tongue was Arabic yet he couldn't even read it and I reckon @2.41 the guy handed him a note saying "u dozy wrinkly ballbag bastard sort it out"

[thehellkeeper2110]

what are the names of those annulled verses? if he's telling the truth let him bring the names of those verses..... I would, with pleasure, debate this guy clearly knows nothing about either the Quran or Islam.....

[111dfdf]

M. Watt's translation of Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad, page 36: "...two men in white clothes came to me with a golden basin full of snow. They took me and split open my body, then they took my heart and split it open and took out from it a black clot which they flung away.Simply ridiculous stories in the Quran!!!

[ibrahimayad]

@111dfdf

are you mental? you say its a biography of the muhammed but state its the quran?

[111dfdf]

Quran is a book full of errors. It is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous.

[martir4din]

@111dfdf

I think all of you've mentioned is founded in bible...how come god didn't know where human being was..? look genesis 3:9...if he didn't know what he's created how he could arrange this universe by himself...your bible confusing me...leave those comically " holy book " it wouldn't guide u to the heaven...

[111dfdf]

Ahmad Deedat was clearly defeated by the intelligent Anish Sorrosh!

Ahmad Deedat the old deceiver has been cheating the masses for 40 years!

Anish Sorrosh clearly wins!!!!

[comedystunt]

@111dfdf lol really? is that why the sound of the audience applausing Ahmed Deedat louder than 'clearly' for Anis Shorrosh?

Anyway, i guess your one of the individuals who gave into every mis-interpretated verse Anis Shorrosh presents.

[ahmad941985]

one god , one message . god bless u sheikh ahmad deedat

[cypriotenglish]

Oh my God, this guy is taking the names of people and places of foreign backgrounds and saying that these names come from so and so thus is a mistake, i ask you in any part of Quran do we muslims reject the hebrew origin or origin of languages? no! yet this guy loves to make a false claim or one that is stupid rather than saying truth of the reason! We have an old saying from my country, 40 years passes and this wheel turns, well for this guy it has he is in jail! peace!

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish Jesus said "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES" Mohammad said "KILL THE UNBELIVERS/KUFFER/JEWS." I rest my case.

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 You made a claim that Quran says "kill the unbelievers" ah my dear friend you know the sign of a hypocrite is 3 according to hadith 2 of them are, when he speaks he tells a lie, and when he makes a promise he never keeps it.

What you miss is this: the verse number is 9:5 if you go and read just a line or so before and 3 lines after you will see it says in war, kill them wherever you find them but if they stop then also stop for Allah loves not transgressors! it further says escort

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish {“And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they have

expelled? you…”}

{“So, when you meet the disbelievers in battle, smite at their necks until you have

killed and wounded many of them. Then, bind a bond firmly on them (i.e.

take them as captives)…”}7

{“O Prophet! Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be severe

against them. And their abode will be Hell, and what a terrible destination.”}8

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 Lol ok sister i assume, look first you did not answer any of what i asked from before, thats fine but wanted to point out!

Second of all you are quoting things i have never read in this context, so please for the sake of defense of my Holy Book and for this to be a fair discussion be as kind as to offer me the surah numbers so that i may prove to you they are either taken out of context or misquoted and even perhaps a full on lie!

i see you have 7 or 8 near them, ders no such thng

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 I believe i may have offended you in one way or form, if so i do apologise for that is not my aim, after all prophet Isa (jesus pbuh) like you said does teach peace but in the Quran and i personally along with muslims believe that the jesus of Bible is not accurate and i can prove but i respect your wishes not to continue talking thus i bid you a peaceful night and prosperous future inshallah!

Peace

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish Ok you did not offend me but I accept ur apology. You believe wht u believe and vice versa. I have had many discussions with other Muslims on this subject and through communicating this way it is impossible to agree. So lets agree to disagree. I knw tht Jesus in the Bible is the true Jesus the Jesus of the Quran is not the same, so Peace to you too. God Bless you!

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 Ok sister i wish to thank you for agreeing to disagree after all in Quran 18:29 it says "those who want to believe let them, and those who don't let them" So i respect your views and beliefs.

Just for future ref, this discussion took place due to you calling Muslims that were watching this debate barbarians - I have apologised though i did no such thing, you did not - its fine but please think of others feelings too next time. Peace

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish Ok your point is taken, but answer me this question, is this a public forum? did u not do the same thing I did? I defended and corrected the lies tht mr deedat was telling and defended someone who I believe was treated badly...From ur own words WILL YOU ACT LIKE CIVILIZED PEOPLE and stop lying to others just to prouve that your man made book is supozely god's word?

You have a right to say this? call the bible a man made book? so how ru any diff to me, I DEFENDED lies to others

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 My dear sister, at what point of my speech did i mention that i agreeed with the manner of the crowd? show me!

i made my statements to you based upon your statement of "barbarians"

At no stage did i reffer to you or christians as barbarians other than in defence of what you said!

And again you accuse me of lying i repeatedly and yet again ask you show me where i lied i will kindly offer you proof for everything.

look friend the truth is the truth, makes no difference who says..

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 what, all that matters is that truth be known and as a muslim its my duty to make sure i do that as a hadith states if you see a wrong, fix it with hands, if u cannot then fix with tongue if cannot then with heart but that is the lowest of faiths!

As for you saying about you defending your man as you put it, but dont lose decorum please!

anyway im waiting for u to show me where i lied!

peace

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 them to a place of safety! of course i paraphrased! all that you did is take a few misquoted lines and throw them at me then you say i am the liar!

my friend i pray that Allah forgives you if on purpose and pray for Allah to give you Hidayat if it was from ignorance either way i think i have proved what Quran really says!

And please i am waiting for u to show me where i lied so i can show u proof!

i dont mean to offend just defend!

Peace!

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish ABNSAT

[Destroyticus]

Why the Muslims shout? We are closer and more devoted to our religion than any other followers of other religions. Why? Islam is a verb, we submit, and pray 5 times a day, but being a Christian you don't do anything, NOTHING! You can never know someone is Christian by what he does. He can drink, eat pork, watch pornopraphy, as long as he believes Jesus is his saviour, he does anything sinful like drink etcetera. Their faith is weak, they have no relationship with God, they call a man God.

[REELISTICLY]

The greatest Trick Satan has performed on Earth is the Creation of Islam and he used Muhammad who soul who killed thousands of God's creation. I like ANIS, he said will you act "ACT" like Civilized people.. LOL

[REELISTICLY]

The greatest Trick Satan has performed on Earth is the Creation of Islam and he used Muhammad who soul who killed thousands of God's creation.

[hamdanfalcon]

anis allways speaks with out refrences, i saw many of his debates with badawi.

he tells lies speaking with no proves, reading from a paper that toke him 3years to wrote 1985-1988, this is not a debate.

Allah yentaqim menah adow al islam. amen

[sabashsabash]

@hamdanfalcon" This guy (Anis Shorrosh) is not talking logic or providing references like Ahmed Deedat did. Where are the PROOFS AND REFERENCES COMPARING Bible and Quran (as the Title of the debate suggests)? Anis Shorrosh is totally illiogical and boring; and he is NOT sticking to the topic! - thats not how you debate. Debating is NOT supposed to be subjective / citing personal opinions, rather come with proof and references. Unprofessional!!! Disappointing.

[TheChrissy48]

@sabashsabash The only thing tht deedat talked abt and shared about the Bible was negative verses which he deliberately took out of context like he always does.. Ru suprised Shorrosh struggled with all these ANIMALS in the audience, even if you dnt belive either of these men its CLEAR Muslims cannot LISTEN AND it is definately NOT a religion of peace after this disgusting display. Notice how when he gets close to the truth thy SHUT HIM UP. BARBARIANS!

[mindstorm86]

@TheChrissy48

they cannot listen and not do anything if you read lies to them that are not in their book and get all the ignorants like you to believe him... now my question to you is WILL YOU ACT LIKE CIVILIZED PEOPLE and stop lying to others just to prouve that your man made book is supozely god's word? don't deny it or again maybe you will lol

[TheChrissy48]

@mindstorm86 Deny what? Tht the bible is the true word of God.. Stop throwing empty arguements at people and speak from facts. Deedat was shown respect by the audience, (I am sure there were Christians there also) it is so quiet you could hear a pin drop so yes the Muslim members of the audience are Barbarians this was not a fair debate, they cannot listen whn they hear lies is ur comment, then why were they there. debate= both sides And I DO NOT TELL LIES.

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 Barbarians really? hmmmm ok so i assume christians killing pagans in Roman times that refused to convert to christianity was civilised? or the fact that christians used to burn suspected witches or drown them thats civilised?

Or the heckling and rejection of many scientists and wise men such as Galileo was civilised? the fact that the vatican has thousands of books banned from people to this day that may reveal truth is civilised but this heckling is barbaric? really wow! lol :))

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish So typical of a Muslim to bring up somthing to DEFEND Islam, without mentioning the fact tht Mohammad killed Pagans also. The people who killed witches may have done so in the Name of Christianity but thy were not TRUE Christians.The Vatigan does not represent TRUE Christianity either. Check your sources b4 u tell lies.The Quran as you will knw is full of War and killing so please dnt LIE here. There is not one CHRISTIAN in the whole world who has KILLED in the name of Jesus.

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 Ok first of all show me where Muhammed pbuh killed pagans? where is it reported in hadeeths or Quran?? As for witch burning the fact of it is, the governments and churches and the peoples accepted and did it, thus making it majority so if this is the case then majority was not christian p.s everytime we mention a example you christians love to say they were not true christian im just wondering whom is in your views??

anyway, secondly please dont just make a claim...

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 that you dont back up, if Quran is filled with war tell me the quotes and sections of it so that i may know to what you are reffering for i found no such thing when reading it several times!

you said that there is no christian in world that killed in name of Jesus really? what about the crusaders? when they launched crusades did they not kill in name of Jesus? you can check the history channel documentary of crusades crescent and cross for your proof of what i say! Also i remind u

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 That you mentioned please dont lie here and accused me of lying so please show me where you think im lying and i will show you the proofs to prove my claims as i never make claims i cant back! Furthermore you said Jesus said love your enemies, i ask you does it not say in Exodus 15:3 "your lord is a man of war"?? hardly the peace you say no? or whatabout 1 samuel 15:18 where it talks about God ordering the destruction of the amalekites? i suppose that is peace no?

As for your claim

[TheChrissy48]

@cypriotenglish Unlike u I dnt have all nite to debate u. As always when a muslim is quoted the truth thy refer to the OLD testament of the bible, NOTE I said JESUS said LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. also why can u not ans with the truth? Mohammad killed pagans when he got rid of all the idols surrounding the Kabba. u distort the Quran to suit ur purpose, not only does the Quran say kill the unbelivers so too do ur Teachers. I am not getting into a debate with you so please stop commenting... go to...

[cypriotenglish]

@TheChrissy48 @TheChrissy48 Actually now my friends i rest my case i will not bother you no more dont worry i think it is clear for all to see who lied and who didn't and who just talks for the sake of it! As for Old testament, why do you refuse it to be word of God?

Anyway peace be onto you my friend i pray you are always good in your choices!

Peace

[carpfisherman25]

@TheChrissy48 why didnt your hero Shorrsh defend his bible and say mr deedat what you say is out of context and corect him insted of telling lies after lies about the quraan ?????? answer me pleas

[BareFootBadBoy]

on 5:32 he is sayin 17 months later Allah (swt) change Muhammed(pbuh) mind, now tell me why Allah took 17months to change Prophet (pbuh) mind? Allah(s.w.t) did not know what to do? (Nauzbillah) He took 17months to decide ? (Nauzbillah) .Mr Anis u dont know anything about Islam

[Multazima]

Subhanullah, this man is trying to guide Muslims off the straight path, but wallahi, he is only making my belief in Allah and the truth of Islam stronger. With his 6 qualifications of true revelation, Islam fulfills every single one of these requirements (1:13-1:45).

Alhamdulilah 3ala ni3mat al Islam

[iloveaviation]

@Multazima you're ignorant

[Multazima]

@iloveaviation With comments like that, you don't actually ask me for my proof & just assume that I am ignorant. I don't expect you to believe me without proof, so I will give you proof that Islam fulfills all the requirements in 1:13-1:45 from the Quran itself.

Be fair to yourself & try reading it, so that if you think that I am wrong, you will have the proof that I am. My mind is rational (& I am Muslim by choice) so if you have some comments to disprove me I won't mind seeing them.

[Multazima]

Shorrosh incorrectly said that Numbers 4 & 6 are partially fulfilled, although they are completely fulfilled, and so are 1, 2, 3, and 5.

1) Yearning of the Human Spirit to obtain happiness - 51:56 Says that the purpose of Humankind in Islam is to worship one God, and if you do that, you will obtain inner peace (13:28), and can hope for eternal Paradise (2:82 for example)

[Multazima]

2) Coincide with moral law written in mans mind – The Quran says that it was revealed as a confirmation of what came before it (Torah & Bible) including moral law 5:48

3) Reveal God's true attributes - In Islam God has 99 attributes, all mentioned in the Quran, Example: The Gracious & The All-Hearing 2:224, The King , The First & The Last 57:3 etc

4) Confirm man's reasoning that God is one - Everywhere in the Quran, some examples: 112:1, 1:2, 51:51, 51:56 etc

[Multazima]

5) Make very clear the way of salvation 23:102, this verse says do good deeds, and you will obtain salvation. There is no room to expand on the good deeds, but this overlaps #2 above.

6) It must reveal God Himself through Prophets, in Books and in person. Muslims do not believe that God Himself can be revealed on Earth because it would be too mind shattering (59:21). Therefore, we believe that Angels sent down the Holy Scriptures or that God spoke to the Prophets (Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.)

[wahdateumat]

is this Debate or Book reading ????

Mr Shorrosh learn the manners of debate

[yistackness]

When I hear the crowd start interupting, that's when I know Shorrosh must be saying something important and true. If a muslim is truely confident in his faith, then he would not get so upset. That is why you don't hear the fear of Christians yelling in the crowd... they already know the truth. But the truth is new to muslims. But I do feel sorry for them, it must be hard to find out you were believing in a lie most of your life.

[amirul1111]

lol.. funny geeza... hav u seen any ova debates... were the speaker is about 2 cry cus he cant take it lol

[yistackness]

@amirul1111: It's too bad deedat croked so soon. I would have loved to see him debate someone who is actually known instead of an amateur. I wish Deedat would have debated Dr.William Lane Craig instead. But for the debate to be fair, it couldn't be in front of a civil audience. It's hard to have a fair debate when you have barbarians yelling over one persone's arguments. This is why I laugh when Deedat says "show the proof"... but then he doesn't care when that person is not allowed to.

[hafizfalul123]

they ar interupting cos he (anis) is mis quoting and no spelling th arabic text properlly!

[yistackness]

@hafizfalul123: No, they interupt throughout the whole debate. It kind of reminds me of Genesis 16:12

[An0therBr0ther]

@yistackness lol

[thelaphanga]

@yistackness ACTUALLY WE KNOW THAT HE IS GIVING WRONG QUOTATIONS AND QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT

[MizzyGalG5]

@thelaphanga yes

[kalabatu1]

what people are they..at time Deedat give his opinion, all the audiences (include Christians) calm down,but as Mr Shorrosh preach, they like pig..yes true..

[85akhtar]

He is misquoting the Qur'an.Before making such a comment go back and check where he talks about "Uzair and donkey">> not there in the verse. 2)when he talks about commandments and children of Israel in part 14 of 28 at 9:09. He says Quran contradicts it in Surah Araf verse 171..verse 171 does not even talk about commandments or children of Israel.. chcek it out. its available on the net!... A thesis prepared in 3-4 yrs. that too with misquotations & mistakes. LOL.. what a scholar

[nadmah1]

Yes .... He is only Quoting but no Points of the topic being prevail ..... What a waste offor the Late Scholars Time Ahmad Deedat, to debate on this ...

[ndlynn08]

There you go again with the copy and paste od the same comment. You are not watching. You are afraid of the truth.

[MoShow3000]

WOW

he cant win over with lies.

the audiance (who are mostly christian by the way) can see SHORROSH IS A LIAR.

HE HAS GONE OF TOPIC AND TALK LIES. HE QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT AND JUST ANOTHER SORRY PERSON WHO IS NOW IN JAIL IF YOU DIDNT KNOW.

ISLAM WILL PREVAIL, TRUTH WILL PREVAIL, PEACE WILL PREVAIL

INSHALLAH

[ndlynn08]

Liar? What did he lie about? You lie when you say the audience was mostly "christian". Why then are three quarters of them shouting "allah akbar"?

[MoShow3000]

yes the audience were mostly christians.

you dont hear them because they prob feel ashamed and gutted that their faith was really proven to be weak and non sense,

the muslims are shouting "GOD IS GREAT" BECAUSE THEY KNOW ITS THE TRUTH AND TRUTH CAN NEVER BE OVERPOWERED BY FALSEHOOD.

SIMPLE

[sajfreeman]

three quarters of them? good statistic... all this by ear? wonderful work. you should be employed by the census bureau

[Ommatey]

peace be with all.

my borthers and sisters Shorrosh is qouting many things out of context, and he is also going out of topic. the topic is Quran and Bible which is Gods word. but he did not talk much about what he has to