@415Dub How many business are going under bcuz they cant sell enough products to stay in business? Those jobs dont need to be destroyed...the rich just have to get it around their fat fuckin heads that you they do not deserve as much as they make. But let me guess...for some reason you deserve more than everyone else, right?
@HedgehogRebellion My first two jobs whole foods and cinemark, started above the minimum wage, most jobs do. Minimum wage laws are the most anti-poor laws there are. So people who arent able to find jobs above what the artificially imposed minimum wage cant be allowed to work for less than that? Under your view, if businesses wont hire a homeless man because theyd have to pay him the full "living wage" than he just doesnt deserve to have a job. The law bars the homeless from getting jobs.
@415Dub So what happens if we abolish Min wage? Then employers pay slave wages and nobody has enough money to buy anything so the economy tanks and we are all on the street. The rich have more than enough money to jack up employees wages without losing their business, and you know it.
@HedgehogRebellion Not what happens. Naturally businesses compete for skilled workers, and try to make it desirable for them to work for their company. Im 20, my first job was at a movie theater that hired at $9/hour hour which was over the minimum wage. My next job whole foods hired at $10.25, again over the minimum wage. Proof business isnt trying to pay the bare minimum they can. They know in order to get a skilled worker they need to make it desirable to work for their company.
@415Dub No, business do not try and compete for the best skilled worker, they compete for the cheapest labour because software can do the brainy work for them, and any extra number-crunching can be outsourced.
$9 bucks...$10.25...big deal..whats the diff? Your not going to get by on either.
They can make it desireable for people to work if people know the only alternative is to live on the street...which is not really different from terrorism.
@HedgehogRebellion Old man, I study economics, you don't, and I probably know the world better than you. I live in CA, our currency and prices are different. You think at 16 I should've earned a living wage? Does that really make sense? If there was a living wage of $15 my jobs wouldn't have been available. Not all business owners are filthy rich, minimum wage laws = higher paying jobs, for less people. Fact. What we really have to do is control inflation, then prices wouldn't be so high.
@415Dub By the way I've studied philosophy, law, neuropsychology, computer programming, university level logic...AND economics...so have a little respect for your elders as I respect the elders who have gone before me.
You first showed the weakness in your chain of reasoning when you said that wemployers compete for the best employees. Maybe that was once true but we'll see how you feel in 20 years when you've actually gotten out there and worked somewhere besides a movie theater.
@HedgehogRebellion No disrespect man. You need to actually read what I wrote though, as I did for you. I clearly stated that I worked at Whole Foods and a movie theater, and those were only my first two jobs. They both hired above the minimum wage, proving that businesses wouldn't just pay you as low as they could if there were no wage law. Businesses do compete for the best employees, why do you think they often provide services and higher wages? Its to make it desirable for skilled employees.
@HedgehogRebellion Im just tired of it being illegal for the homeless, the low skilled, and the inexperienced, to get a job. They can't compete in an environment where employers are forced to only hire workers that can put up at least $15+ worth of labour. It makes it incredibly difficult for teens, the poor, and the homeless to ever get that stepping stone into the business world. The majority of jobs hire above the wage law anyway, the law only makes it illegal to hire people for simple tasks.
@HedgehogRebellion And if businesses hiring people for simple tasks are forced to pay a living wage, thats only going to force them to use software instead of hiring poor people. Again all the wage law does is cut the bottom of the economic ladder to the poor, and make it impossible for them to ever climb it. When you start to climb you shouldn't expect your first job to pay for you to live in a house with a wife and kids, thats just not realistic. You only want higher paying jobs for the few.
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415Dub 2 weeks ago
All minimum wage laws do is cut the bottom of the economic ladder to the poor, and make it impossible for them to ever climb it.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
And how many jobs will be destroyed because of the high living wage? How many unskilled workers are going to be put out of work?
415Dub 1 month ago
@415Dub How many business are going under bcuz they cant sell enough products to stay in business? Those jobs dont need to be destroyed...the rich just have to get it around their fat fuckin heads that you they do not deserve as much as they make. But let me guess...for some reason you deserve more than everyone else, right?
HedgehogRebellion 3 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion My first two jobs whole foods and cinemark, started above the minimum wage, most jobs do. Minimum wage laws are the most anti-poor laws there are. So people who arent able to find jobs above what the artificially imposed minimum wage cant be allowed to work for less than that? Under your view, if businesses wont hire a homeless man because theyd have to pay him the full "living wage" than he just doesnt deserve to have a job. The law bars the homeless from getting jobs.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
@415Dub So what happens if we abolish Min wage? Then employers pay slave wages and nobody has enough money to buy anything so the economy tanks and we are all on the street. The rich have more than enough money to jack up employees wages without losing their business, and you know it.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion Not what happens. Naturally businesses compete for skilled workers, and try to make it desirable for them to work for their company. Im 20, my first job was at a movie theater that hired at $9/hour hour which was over the minimum wage. My next job whole foods hired at $10.25, again over the minimum wage. Proof business isnt trying to pay the bare minimum they can. They know in order to get a skilled worker they need to make it desirable to work for their company.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
@415Dub No, business do not try and compete for the best skilled worker, they compete for the cheapest labour because software can do the brainy work for them, and any extra number-crunching can be outsourced.
$9 bucks...$10.25...big deal..whats the diff? Your not going to get by on either.
They can make it desireable for people to work if people know the only alternative is to live on the street...which is not really different from terrorism.
Kid, your 20, Im 40...I know the world.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion Old man, I study economics, you don't, and I probably know the world better than you. I live in CA, our currency and prices are different. You think at 16 I should've earned a living wage? Does that really make sense? If there was a living wage of $15 my jobs wouldn't have been available. Not all business owners are filthy rich, minimum wage laws = higher paying jobs, for less people. Fact. What we really have to do is control inflation, then prices wouldn't be so high.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
@415Dub Ive already stated my case, you didnt accept it.
Luck is Everything, take care.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@415Dub By the way I've studied philosophy, law, neuropsychology, computer programming, university level logic...AND economics...so have a little respect for your elders as I respect the elders who have gone before me.
You first showed the weakness in your chain of reasoning when you said that wemployers compete for the best employees. Maybe that was once true but we'll see how you feel in 20 years when you've actually gotten out there and worked somewhere besides a movie theater.
HedgehogRebellion 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion No disrespect man. You need to actually read what I wrote though, as I did for you. I clearly stated that I worked at Whole Foods and a movie theater, and those were only my first two jobs. They both hired above the minimum wage, proving that businesses wouldn't just pay you as low as they could if there were no wage law. Businesses do compete for the best employees, why do you think they often provide services and higher wages? Its to make it desirable for skilled employees.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
@HedgehogRebellion Im just tired of it being illegal for the homeless, the low skilled, and the inexperienced, to get a job. They can't compete in an environment where employers are forced to only hire workers that can put up at least $15+ worth of labour. It makes it incredibly difficult for teens, the poor, and the homeless to ever get that stepping stone into the business world. The majority of jobs hire above the wage law anyway, the law only makes it illegal to hire people for simple tasks.
415Dub 2 weeks ago
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@HedgehogRebellion And if businesses hiring people for simple tasks are forced to pay a living wage, thats only going to force them to use software instead of hiring poor people. Again all the wage law does is cut the bottom of the economic ladder to the poor, and make it impossible for them to ever climb it. When you start to climb you shouldn't expect your first job to pay for you to live in a house with a wife and kids, thats just not realistic. You only want higher paying jobs for the few.
415Dub 2 weeks ago