The sad reality is, all the conspiracy nuts are so unopen to facts, and so little researched, they will never be taken seriously... Worse still, even IF these theories were true, so what? You're still gonna sit there and bitch on YouTube comment? Really... I mean, REALLY? If I had your conviction, I would do a little more
The conspiracy is that 19 arabs could take over 4 airplanes well still being alive years later.
What are the odds that they can not recover 6/8 of the black boxes. Only flight 93's were found yet the recording that implicate the muslims were not officially released. Even the families did not get to hear the last 3 minutes.
A plane can get so low to the ground it can hit the pentagon from the side where it has been reinforced? Piloted by amateurs that are still alive yet 0 videos are released.
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
He says the Popular mechanics debunking starts with the offical story? WRONG. It takes all popular conspiracy theories and sees if there is any SCENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back them up and guess what, there isn't any. Griffin just spews lie after lie after lie.
@mikeyt34 The burden of proof is not on the skeptic. Its on those pushing the official story, those telling the original lie.You have to prove the official story is true. I have a better stance questioning 9\11 than you do believing it.
"And whatever happens that they are going to blame on Osama Bin Laden don't you even believe it." Bill Cooper June 28 2001
@mikeyt34 You are obviously some kind of internet provacatuer troll. You responded to my comment in about 30 seconds. What, do you have youtube call your cell phone when someone comments at you? And anybody that says twoofer has nothing intelligent to say and is just trying to berate people emotionally which is a tactic of guys like Nino and other provocatuers. There would be no 9/11 Commission if it weren't for the victim's families. Even still 70% of families ?'s were not answered......
@Greg509 Twoofers are morons. It took flight 93 passengers 20 minutes to figure out what was going on, and the twoofs are still trying to figure it out. The brain power that is 9/11 twoof is hilarious. You accuse people fo mass murder with no evidence, you should expect scorn. Silly moron twoofers.
@mikeyt34 yea ok and we should all bow down to you right? trolling around the internet trying to debunk 9/11. silly moron provocateur. I would love to see you debate Willie Rodriguez in person none of this pussy shit hiding behind your computer and youtube. Willie was a 20 year WTC employee, the last person pulled out of the rubble alive. He had a master key and was unlocking stairway doors saving people until the last minute. He's my good friend and his testimony was omitted from 911 comm reprt
@mikeyt34 His testimony was omitted because it contradicts the official story. He was on the B2 basement sub-level at apprx 845am when there was an explosion so hard that pushed them upwards. Moments later they felt the impact of the plane above. An explosion went off in the basement prior to the plane hitting the building and eyewitness testimony is ignored. Bullshit. He saved countless lives that day and travels the world telling his story. Would love to see you debate him.
@mikeyt34 I really wonder if you're capable of having an intelligent debate with someone about 9/11 because all you do berate people and call them names. I have yet to see you produce anything of intellectual significance that even comes close to proving the official story is true and would love to see you attempt to debate the last man pulled from the rubble William Rodriguez.
@Greg509 You're buying all the BS I see. First thing. Old Willie wasn't the last person pulled from rubble, that would be Gennelle Guzman, 27 hours after the collapse. Old Willie has about 5 different versions of his story and is now banking on his story to make a living. He saved lives that day, and I respect him for that, but once he changed his story so many times to cash in on his fame, he lost my respect. He has been asked to debate debunkers many times and runs away.
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
I would think a Supreme Court Justice knows how the govt works
@Greg509 You have shown your stripes there Tiger. You're one of those types....I get it now. Screw the evidence, the gubmit did it. Clowns like you lead a pathetic way of life. We're done here because I don't debate nutjobs. Get some help.
@mikeyt34 The evidence speaks for itself. I feel bad for you. I'm a musician and activist. You know nothing about me. I play drums and guitar for 15 years+ now and write music. You spend a lot of time on youtube what you call debating people getting nowhere accomplishing nothing because its really just a bunch of name calling mocking and putting down. Pathetic way of life that's you. I can't believe I wasted as much time as I did on you.
@mikeyt34 You are accomplishing nothing by arguing with people on youtube. At the end of the day I'm sure you have a job are not financially independent(wealthy people don't waste their time arguing with people on youtube) have a social security number pay taxes rent mortgage bills credit cards what have you and are a slave to the system just like the rest of us. Somehow I doubt you're benefiting from 9/11 or the economy collapsing. I'm done with you. Good luck.
@Greg509 You're just one of the many twoofers who are being duped by tall tales and lies. I almost feel sorry for the existance you must lead. Research Willie Rodriguez and his original statements, watch as they change over the years, see what he is doing. If you have any guts, google "Willie Rodriguez Escape Artist". It's a full paper written that breaks down Willie's story and how many holes are in it. Willie refuses to debate the author, cause he knows he would look like a fool.
@Greg509 I know you won't have the guts to google that article, that's why twoofers remain in the dark for so long because the evidence screws up their ideology, it's a cult. So keep believing in your man. Willie Rodriguez? That's all you got? LOL. Know wonder the twoof movement has been spinning their wheels since 9/12/01. RIP Truth Movement. If you had anything substantial, it would have come out. 10 years of failure!!!!
@mikeyt34 So if the official story is bullshit and 9/11 truth is bullshit, what the hell happened on 9/11? Dick Cheney changed his story 3 times too so what does that tell you. There is so much lying going on its ridiculous. You don't know the truth and neither do I. But I do know that what we were told sure isn't the truth either. We are lied to all the time. Do you really believe the government is working in the best interest of the people? Do you really think our monetary system is legit?
@Greg509 Your predisposed attitude about government, your beliefs, and that Neocons running the planet are what lead to your 9/11 twoofer beliefs, duly noted. Ever hear of a politician covering their political careers and collective asses when something goes wrong? 9/11 is not an evil cover up because they were in on it, it's a bunch of bearucrats covering their asses because they screwed up. Twoofers simply can't get this through their heads and are doomed to their pathetic existance.
@mikeyt34 no insight into anything else? just put people down and dubunk 9/11. That's the thing about the Federal Reserve Act The Glass Steagall Act and the history of money and banking in the last 500 years. it is what it is. you cant debunk money. Inflation is real. Inflation is theft. paper money is Fiat Currency, Gold&Silver are Real World Currency.
@mikeyt34 Do you really believe there is no corruption in the govt, the courts, the banks? I would love to hear your take on what is going on in this country and what America has turned into. The erosion of civil liberties. The devaluation of our currency and economy collapsing. Housing market crisis. Healthcare crisis. Homeless veterans. War on drugs. War on poverty. War on terror. Do you not see the Orwellian society we live in? Do you really think everything is ok? You believe lies too then.
@Greg509 Oh, I forgot, the reason Willie's testimony was omitted is because he changed his story so often that the commission knew what he was up to. They respected the fact that he saved lives, but understood what he was saying was complete BS. His story contradicted numerous testimonies of others in the basement and elsewhere. He tried a lawsuit a while back, just check out his wiki page alone. He is totally discredited, his law suit failed miserably. Have some guts and do real research.
At the end of one of his lectures, 9/11: The Myth and the Reality, Griffin was asked why a theologian would take such an interest in 9/11, to which he replied: "If 9/11 is not a religious issue, then I don't know what is." Contradicts what he says when someone accuses him of being a guru. You are being sold a pack of lies people. Research this guy for your own good.
If you want proof they have never met, the source is U.S. News and World Report. "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. He's not, though he may be distantly related. "No one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff," he says." Google "US News and World Report Ben Chertoff."
Wow, your hard drive is fascinating. See you soon my friend, see you soon.
@LongLiveOx Greatness? The two men in question Michael and Ben Chertoff are distant cousins, Quoting Ben Chertoff: "I'm not related to Michael Chertoff, at least in any way I can figure out. We might be distant relatives,15 times removed, but then again, so might you and I. Bottom line is I've never met him, never communicated with him, and nobody I know in my family has ever met or communicated with him." The mother was quoted by Chris Bollyn, look up American Free press and their editor.
@mikeyt34 -When phoned at her home in Pelham, NY, and asked whether or not her son Ben was related to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Judy Chertoff replied, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin." But...you don't think that warrants further investigation? Strange. BTW, I find it fascinating that this Benjamin Chertoff only started working at Popular Mechanics in 2004, yet he was given free reign to be the lead researcher without any seeming qualifications, and then promptly left in 2007.
@LongLiveOx This is where truthers fail so miserably. They are so desperate to grasp any straw they can find to debunk what is actually a quite good debunking tool by Popular Mechanics, by adding a nice litlle narrative behind the story that is baseless and untrue to the extent of the purpose they want it to be and ignore the FACTS that the book presents. You dismiss it because you are afraid of what it says and it ruins your little fanstasy. This is standard truther stuff.
@LongLiveOx The point is you have to read between the lines with the things that Dr. Griffin says. He doesn't give all the facts and misleads his readers and listeners by grasping onto something that is irrelevant. Why doesn't Griffin give this info about the two men having never met? Because it would devalue his story. The mother was set up in an interview by Bollyn to get her to say they were related, but misrepresented the extent of their relationship. Typical conspiracy garbabe.
@mikeyt34 - Misrepresented the extent of their relationship? Nonsense. She said her son and Michael Chertoff are cousins, end of story. And Bollyn was fired because his Zionist supervisors got panicky that he was digging too deep into the truth. Typical government blind faither. If the general public became aware of the fact that Michael Chertoff, who oversaw the collection of evidence, had his cousin write that Popular Mechanics whitewash, people would start to ask too many questions.
@LongLiveOx You ignore the fact that the two Chertoffs have never met or spoke to each other at any time in their lives. It's two guys who are distant cousins, simple as that. Funny thing is it's the truthers who claim that Chertoff was the lead reasearcher in the Popular Mech. debunking book, when in fact Chertoff was one of many researchers who worked on it. He wasn't in charge. It just spices up the story to say he was the "lead researcher" and the "cousin of the Michael Chertoff".
@mikeyt34 - How do you know that they've never met or spoken to each other? For you to simply ignore the fact that they are cousins, without wanting any further investigation of it, quite frankly, makes YOUR motives quite suspicious. Your use of typical disinfo tactics makes you very transparent. Anyone who wants to squash any further investigation of 9/11 should themselves be investigated. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Your name wouldn't be Benjamin, would it?
@LongLiveOx My name is not Benjamin, my name is Mr. Sims, and I search the internet for certain people who fit a profile. Thanks to special access affored to my colleagues and myself by You Tube officials we are able to seek out threats to the US govt order. Congratulations, you fit the profile. I have already received your information, IP address, and traced your connection. Your hard drive has been accessed and the info garnered will be used to easily apply surveillance on you. Too late.
@LongLiveOx If you want proof they have never met, the source is U.S. News and World Report. "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. He's not, though he may be distantly related. "No one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff," he says." Google "US News and World Report Ben Chertoff."
Wow, your hard drive is fascinating. See you soon my friend, see you soon.
@mikeyt34 - "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff."
"Truthters" assert that? No, Benjamin Chertoff's own mother asserts that. When phoned at her home in Pelham, NY and asked whether or not her son Benjamin was related to Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, Judy Chertoff replied, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin." Sorry, troll, no article from a CIA front magazine can debunk that.
@LongLiveOx You also say the Chris Bollyn was fired by "Zionist" supervisors. This just tells me you have no clue what you are talking about. Chris Bollyn was fired by the American Free Press. The founder of American Free Press is Willis Carto, about as far away from a "Zionist" there is. Do a little homework and maybe you might learn something. See I look at everything, and avoid being spoon fed by Dr. Griffin. Griffin is misleading and a con artist. Wake up.
1. Building 7 collapse does not look like it collapsed from fire.
2. why are there no definitive videos of the plane. 70+ cameras? not one video? BS!!
3. Police SGT Bill Lagasse who said he would bet his life HIS story was correct about the path of the plane that hit the pentagon even AFTER being told that directly contradicts the "official" story.
@EddieAteDynomite A couple of your points...1. 100's of FDNY firefighters including the cheif in charge, Daniel Niergo beg to differ and predicted the collapse hours beforehand, due to damage and fire. 2. The Pentagon doesn't have 70+ cameras facing that area of the exterior, however the FBI has 85 tapes in possession from various sources but only 3 show the crash. This is where the confussion starts, the FBI has 85 videos from all over the area, hotels, ATM's, etc. not 85 pentagon cameras.
@EddieAteDynomite 3. Bill Lagasse and that deal is controversial and there are varying eyewitness reports of the angles of the exact flight path, but the bottom line is he saw a AA jet crash into the pentagon, just like 135 other eyewitnesses did, the flight path controversy is getting a bit straw grasping at this point. Most of the plane parts and black boxes were recovered along with all DNA conformation of the passengers aboard. One or two people remember the path differently? Oh well.
@mikeyt34 Every swinging dick the government had in the area was confiscating surveillance videos from buildings around the pentagon, and not one image…not one of a plane? Im sorry, its simply not believable!
@EddieAteDynomite Whatever. None of those cameras from businesses were trained on the pentagon, so believe what you want. You choose to ignore 136 witnesses on the scene who saw a commercial jetliner crash into the pentagon. Engine parts, landing gear, peices of debris, the black boxes, and all of the DNA of the passengers were identified. You are clinging to ONE anomoly of this scenario and clinging to that ONE thing that doesn't add up. It's typical truther mindsets, I'm used to it by now
@cwlldoran "Now if you are related to someone who has a goverment position you are a criminal."
Or maybe it's: "Now if you are related to a government criminal, it may reflect badly on you". A view shared at Popular Mechanics it would seem, since they tried to play down the family connection. Now I wonder why they did that...? Hmm... maybe it's because it looks as shady as it probably is, given the timing of the change of "expert" staff.
Oh empirical The towers were blown up by thermite, and it was a cruise missile that hit the pentagon, and there was a stand down order, and calls from passengers saying goodbye to their families were ALL faked, and then the FDNY brought down building 7, and the most precisely orchestrated covert operation in history was all flawlessly orchestrated in BROAD DAYLIGHT by GWB, the guy everyone hates because he's so incompetent and stupid.... this is all just a delusional faith based religion!
if you ever hear a public figure using namecalling and demonizing anything he does not agree with or better yet even understand you know that that person is corrupt.
7:53 "They all begin with the official story, then construe
the facts to fit that theory even though this requires distorting
some facts and eliminating many others."
Sounds like a lot of priests and preachers that have done that to the Bible, doesn't it? Just goes to show you that Man will always do that, no matter what it may cost.
anagram osama bin laden=a none bad islam ,,,,,,a fake leader as well as no planes,,,,,,U.S.A duped again into providing solders for war...its a game of chess to the generals,,,,,
Why the hell is over %80 of the god damn plane magically missing from the crash site of the pentagon?? OOOOOh thats right most was completely incinerated to nothing! Wow the first time in history. The trade centers were also the first steel building to fall from fire. We sure as hell made alot of history that day im so sorry for the families that Bush murdered.
David Ray Griffion is a joke, trying to talk about the "Facts". He and the Truthers ignore mountains of facts at every turn. I mean common, there still trying to convince people there were no planes at the Pentagon or Shanksville. And he's talking about getting Empirical, LOL. Why not first admit that planes were at those 2 locations. Untill that you have zero crediblitity Mr. Griffion
@JPPolachek Really? if you listen to the whole lecture he says that an F16 was in position to shoot down Flight 93 not that it was'nt there. Yes people on BOTH sides of the dogfight ARE discounting the facts on one side for the facts of the other. The same thing has to be done in a trial process if you have ever sat on a jury. The question is, who is responsible for the conflicting facts? The truth movement? The people who accept the official story as I once did? Or the government?
@JPPolachek Sure get angry, everybody should be angry but get angry at the people who won't answer the questions not the people who ask them. Take the 911 commission. Bush refuses to appear without Cheney beside him. REFUSES to be put under oath, or recorded or have transcripts taken So who has less credibility. Griffin or him? and who's fault is that Griffin's or Bush? Was his behaviour at that school credible as commander in chief? Never mind the planes still in the air read the goat story?
@CTCADGUY melted steel was aluminum...duh...there was an airplane at the pentagon......look at the debris pics......and review the market/puts from the 3 months prior....you see it is not odd......it is routine.......do your reasearch
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megamogx 5 months ago
The sad reality is, all the conspiracy nuts are so unopen to facts, and so little researched, they will never be taken seriously... Worse still, even IF these theories were true, so what? You're still gonna sit there and bitch on YouTube comment? Really... I mean, REALLY? If I had your conviction, I would do a little more
BrightDigitalProduct 5 months ago
The conspiracy is that 19 arabs could take over 4 airplanes well still being alive years later.
What are the odds that they can not recover 6/8 of the black boxes. Only flight 93's were found yet the recording that implicate the muslims were not officially released. Even the families did not get to hear the last 3 minutes.
A plane can get so low to the ground it can hit the pentagon from the side where it has been reinforced? Piloted by amateurs that are still alive yet 0 videos are released.
megamogx 5 months ago
"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.
Greg509 7 months ago
"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
Greg509 7 months ago
He says the Popular mechanics debunking starts with the offical story? WRONG. It takes all popular conspiracy theories and sees if there is any SCENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back them up and guess what, there isn't any. Griffin just spews lie after lie after lie.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 The burden of proof is not on the skeptic. Its on those pushing the official story, those telling the original lie.You have to prove the official story is true. I have a better stance questioning 9\11 than you do believing it.
"And whatever happens that they are going to blame on Osama Bin Laden don't you even believe it." Bill Cooper June 28 2001
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 10 years of failure for 9/11 twoof. Lol. 9/11 Truth Movement RIP.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 You are obviously some kind of internet provacatuer troll. You responded to my comment in about 30 seconds. What, do you have youtube call your cell phone when someone comments at you? And anybody that says twoofer has nothing intelligent to say and is just trying to berate people emotionally which is a tactic of guys like Nino and other provocatuers. There would be no 9/11 Commission if it weren't for the victim's families. Even still 70% of families ?'s were not answered......
Greg509 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 by the 9/11 Commission, that's a cover up. You need to find a new activity in life besides trying to debunk 9/11 its really lame.
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 9/11 twoof still spinning their wheels for nearly 10 years! Keep up the fight! Twoof RIP.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@Greg509 Twoofers are morons. It took flight 93 passengers 20 minutes to figure out what was going on, and the twoofs are still trying to figure it out. The brain power that is 9/11 twoof is hilarious. You accuse people fo mass murder with no evidence, you should expect scorn. Silly moron twoofers.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 yea ok and we should all bow down to you right? trolling around the internet trying to debunk 9/11. silly moron provocateur. I would love to see you debate Willie Rodriguez in person none of this pussy shit hiding behind your computer and youtube. Willie was a 20 year WTC employee, the last person pulled out of the rubble alive. He had a master key and was unlocking stairway doors saving people until the last minute. He's my good friend and his testimony was omitted from 911 comm reprt
Greg509 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 His testimony was omitted because it contradicts the official story. He was on the B2 basement sub-level at apprx 845am when there was an explosion so hard that pushed them upwards. Moments later they felt the impact of the plane above. An explosion went off in the basement prior to the plane hitting the building and eyewitness testimony is ignored. Bullshit. He saved countless lives that day and travels the world telling his story. Would love to see you debate him.
Greg509 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 I really wonder if you're capable of having an intelligent debate with someone about 9/11 because all you do berate people and call them names. I have yet to see you produce anything of intellectual significance that even comes close to proving the official story is true and would love to see you attempt to debate the last man pulled from the rubble William Rodriguez.
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 You're buying all the BS I see. First thing. Old Willie wasn't the last person pulled from rubble, that would be Gennelle Guzman, 27 hours after the collapse. Old Willie has about 5 different versions of his story and is now banking on his story to make a living. He saved lives that day, and I respect him for that, but once he changed his story so many times to cash in on his fame, he lost my respect. He has been asked to debate debunkers many times and runs away.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 some interesting quotes any thoughts
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952
I would think a Supreme Court Justice knows how the govt works
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 You have shown your stripes there Tiger. You're one of those types....I get it now. Screw the evidence, the gubmit did it. Clowns like you lead a pathetic way of life. We're done here because I don't debate nutjobs. Get some help.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 The evidence speaks for itself. I feel bad for you. I'm a musician and activist. You know nothing about me. I play drums and guitar for 15 years+ now and write music. You spend a lot of time on youtube what you call debating people getting nowhere accomplishing nothing because its really just a bunch of name calling mocking and putting down. Pathetic way of life that's you. I can't believe I wasted as much time as I did on you.
Greg509 7 months ago
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3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since WTC 7 was constructed over a Con Ed station, how did the structural framing compensate for the station and how did that influence the collapse?
How much nanothermite did Niels Harrit estimate was used in the supposed controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, & 7?
If a postcard could survive the Hindenburg inferno isn't it possible for a passport to survive the WTC collapse?
ctcole77 3 weeks ago
@mikeyt34 You are accomplishing nothing by arguing with people on youtube. At the end of the day I'm sure you have a job are not financially independent(wealthy people don't waste their time arguing with people on youtube) have a social security number pay taxes rent mortgage bills credit cards what have you and are a slave to the system just like the rest of us. Somehow I doubt you're benefiting from 9/11 or the economy collapsing. I'm done with you. Good luck.
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 You're just one of the many twoofers who are being duped by tall tales and lies. I almost feel sorry for the existance you must lead. Research Willie Rodriguez and his original statements, watch as they change over the years, see what he is doing. If you have any guts, google "Willie Rodriguez Escape Artist". It's a full paper written that breaks down Willie's story and how many holes are in it. Willie refuses to debate the author, cause he knows he would look like a fool.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@Greg509 I know you won't have the guts to google that article, that's why twoofers remain in the dark for so long because the evidence screws up their ideology, it's a cult. So keep believing in your man. Willie Rodriguez? That's all you got? LOL. Know wonder the twoof movement has been spinning their wheels since 9/12/01. RIP Truth Movement. If you had anything substantial, it would have come out. 10 years of failure!!!!
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 So if the official story is bullshit and 9/11 truth is bullshit, what the hell happened on 9/11? Dick Cheney changed his story 3 times too so what does that tell you. There is so much lying going on its ridiculous. You don't know the truth and neither do I. But I do know that what we were told sure isn't the truth either. We are lied to all the time. Do you really believe the government is working in the best interest of the people? Do you really think our monetary system is legit?
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 Your predisposed attitude about government, your beliefs, and that Neocons running the planet are what lead to your 9/11 twoofer beliefs, duly noted. Ever hear of a politician covering their political careers and collective asses when something goes wrong? 9/11 is not an evil cover up because they were in on it, it's a bunch of bearucrats covering their asses because they screwed up. Twoofers simply can't get this through their heads and are doomed to their pathetic existance.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 no insight into anything else? just put people down and dubunk 9/11. That's the thing about the Federal Reserve Act The Glass Steagall Act and the history of money and banking in the last 500 years. it is what it is. you cant debunk money. Inflation is real. Inflation is theft. paper money is Fiat Currency, Gold&Silver are Real World Currency.
Greg509 7 months ago
@mikeyt34 Do you really believe there is no corruption in the govt, the courts, the banks? I would love to hear your take on what is going on in this country and what America has turned into. The erosion of civil liberties. The devaluation of our currency and economy collapsing. Housing market crisis. Healthcare crisis. Homeless veterans. War on drugs. War on poverty. War on terror. Do you not see the Orwellian society we live in? Do you really think everything is ok? You believe lies too then.
Greg509 7 months ago
@Greg509 Oh, I forgot, the reason Willie's testimony was omitted is because he changed his story so often that the commission knew what he was up to. They respected the fact that he saved lives, but understood what he was saying was complete BS. His story contradicted numerous testimonies of others in the basement and elsewhere. He tried a lawsuit a while back, just check out his wiki page alone. He is totally discredited, his law suit failed miserably. Have some guts and do real research.
mikeyt34 7 months ago
At the end of one of his lectures, 9/11: The Myth and the Reality, Griffin was asked why a theologian would take such an interest in 9/11, to which he replied: "If 9/11 is not a religious issue, then I don't know what is." Contradicts what he says when someone accuses him of being a guru. You are being sold a pack of lies people. Research this guy for your own good.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
If you want proof they have never met, the source is U.S. News and World Report. "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. He's not, though he may be distantly related. "No one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff," he says." Google "US News and World Report Ben Chertoff."
Wow, your hard drive is fascinating. See you soon my friend, see you soon.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
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EddieAteDynomite 9 months ago
No Griffin, you are a faith based movement.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
1:50 = Greatness.
LongLiveOx 11 months ago 9
@LongLiveOx Greatness? The two men in question Michael and Ben Chertoff are distant cousins, Quoting Ben Chertoff: "I'm not related to Michael Chertoff, at least in any way I can figure out. We might be distant relatives,15 times removed, but then again, so might you and I. Bottom line is I've never met him, never communicated with him, and nobody I know in my family has ever met or communicated with him." The mother was quoted by Chris Bollyn, look up American Free press and their editor.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 -When phoned at her home in Pelham, NY, and asked whether or not her son Ben was related to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Judy Chertoff replied, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin." But...you don't think that warrants further investigation? Strange. BTW, I find it fascinating that this Benjamin Chertoff only started working at Popular Mechanics in 2004, yet he was given free reign to be the lead researcher without any seeming qualifications, and then promptly left in 2007.
LongLiveOx 9 months ago 2
@LongLiveOx This is where truthers fail so miserably. They are so desperate to grasp any straw they can find to debunk what is actually a quite good debunking tool by Popular Mechanics, by adding a nice litlle narrative behind the story that is baseless and untrue to the extent of the purpose they want it to be and ignore the FACTS that the book presents. You dismiss it because you are afraid of what it says and it ruins your little fanstasy. This is standard truther stuff.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@LongLiveOx The point is you have to read between the lines with the things that Dr. Griffin says. He doesn't give all the facts and misleads his readers and listeners by grasping onto something that is irrelevant. Why doesn't Griffin give this info about the two men having never met? Because it would devalue his story. The mother was set up in an interview by Bollyn to get her to say they were related, but misrepresented the extent of their relationship. Typical conspiracy garbabe.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 - Misrepresented the extent of their relationship? Nonsense. She said her son and Michael Chertoff are cousins, end of story. And Bollyn was fired because his Zionist supervisors got panicky that he was digging too deep into the truth. Typical government blind faither. If the general public became aware of the fact that Michael Chertoff, who oversaw the collection of evidence, had his cousin write that Popular Mechanics whitewash, people would start to ask too many questions.
LongLiveOx 9 months ago 2
@LongLiveOx You ignore the fact that the two Chertoffs have never met or spoke to each other at any time in their lives. It's two guys who are distant cousins, simple as that. Funny thing is it's the truthers who claim that Chertoff was the lead reasearcher in the Popular Mech. debunking book, when in fact Chertoff was one of many researchers who worked on it. He wasn't in charge. It just spices up the story to say he was the "lead researcher" and the "cousin of the Michael Chertoff".
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 - How do you know that they've never met or spoken to each other? For you to simply ignore the fact that they are cousins, without wanting any further investigation of it, quite frankly, makes YOUR motives quite suspicious. Your use of typical disinfo tactics makes you very transparent. Anyone who wants to squash any further investigation of 9/11 should themselves be investigated. You really should be ashamed of yourself. Your name wouldn't be Benjamin, would it?
LongLiveOx 9 months ago
@LongLiveOx My name is not Benjamin, my name is Mr. Sims, and I search the internet for certain people who fit a profile. Thanks to special access affored to my colleagues and myself by You Tube officials we are able to seek out threats to the US govt order. Congratulations, you fit the profile. I have already received your information, IP address, and traced your connection. Your hard drive has been accessed and the info garnered will be used to easily apply surveillance on you. Too late.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@LongLiveOx If you want proof they have never met, the source is U.S. News and World Report. "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff. He's not, though he may be distantly related. "No one in my family has ever met anyone related to Michael Chertoff," he says." Google "US News and World Report Ben Chertoff."
Wow, your hard drive is fascinating. See you soon my friend, see you soon.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
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@mikeyt34 - "They (truthters) assert that Benjamin Chertoff, a researcher on the project, is a cousin of homeland security chief Michael Chertoff."
"Truthters" assert that? No, Benjamin Chertoff's own mother asserts that. When phoned at her home in Pelham, NY and asked whether or not her son Benjamin was related to Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, Judy Chertoff replied, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin." Sorry, troll, no article from a CIA front magazine can debunk that.
LongLiveOx 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 - BTW, quit trying to act like you're powerful, lol. You're just a sad little errand boy and you always will be.
LongLiveOx 9 months ago
@LongLiveOx You also say the Chris Bollyn was fired by "Zionist" supervisors. This just tells me you have no clue what you are talking about. Chris Bollyn was fired by the American Free Press. The founder of American Free Press is Willis Carto, about as far away from a "Zionist" there is. Do a little homework and maybe you might learn something. See I look at everything, and avoid being spoon fed by Dr. Griffin. Griffin is misleading and a con artist. Wake up.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
A couple questions.
1. Building 7 collapse does not look like it collapsed from fire.
2. why are there no definitive videos of the plane. 70+ cameras? not one video? BS!!
3. Police SGT Bill Lagasse who said he would bet his life HIS story was correct about the path of the plane that hit the pentagon even AFTER being told that directly contradicts the "official" story.
EddieAteDynomite 1 year ago
@EddieAteDynomite A couple of your points...1. 100's of FDNY firefighters including the cheif in charge, Daniel Niergo beg to differ and predicted the collapse hours beforehand, due to damage and fire. 2. The Pentagon doesn't have 70+ cameras facing that area of the exterior, however the FBI has 85 tapes in possession from various sources but only 3 show the crash. This is where the confussion starts, the FBI has 85 videos from all over the area, hotels, ATM's, etc. not 85 pentagon cameras.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@EddieAteDynomite 3. Bill Lagasse and that deal is controversial and there are varying eyewitness reports of the angles of the exact flight path, but the bottom line is he saw a AA jet crash into the pentagon, just like 135 other eyewitnesses did, the flight path controversy is getting a bit straw grasping at this point. Most of the plane parts and black boxes were recovered along with all DNA conformation of the passengers aboard. One or two people remember the path differently? Oh well.
mikeyt34 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 Every swinging dick the government had in the area was confiscating surveillance videos from buildings around the pentagon, and not one image…not one of a plane? Im sorry, its simply not believable!
EddieAteDynomite 9 months ago
@mikeyt34 youre right...nothing to see here...carry on...everything is fine..here ...now...
EddieAteDynomite 9 months ago
@EddieAteDynomite Whatever. None of those cameras from businesses were trained on the pentagon, so believe what you want. You choose to ignore 136 witnesses on the scene who saw a commercial jetliner crash into the pentagon. Engine parts, landing gear, peices of debris, the black boxes, and all of the DNA of the passengers were identified. You are clinging to ONE anomoly of this scenario and clinging to that ONE thing that doesn't add up. It's typical truther mindsets, I'm used to it by now
mikeyt34 9 months ago
Now if you are related to someone who has a goverment position you are a criminal.
cwlldoran 1 year ago
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@cwlldoran "Now if you are related to someone who has a goverment position you are a criminal."
Or maybe it's: "Now if you are related to a government criminal, it may reflect badly on you". A view shared at Popular Mechanics it would seem, since they tried to play down the family connection. Now I wonder why they did that...? Hmm... maybe it's because it looks as shady as it probably is, given the timing of the change of "expert" staff.
CodeTwo2 1 year ago
Oh empirical The towers were blown up by thermite, and it was a cruise missile that hit the pentagon, and there was a stand down order, and calls from passengers saying goodbye to their families were ALL faked, and then the FDNY brought down building 7, and the most precisely orchestrated covert operation in history was all flawlessly orchestrated in BROAD DAYLIGHT by GWB, the guy everyone hates because he's so incompetent and stupid.... this is all just a delusional faith based religion!
nyc1999nyc 1 year ago
if you ever hear a public figure using namecalling and demonizing anything he does not agree with or better yet even understand you know that that person is corrupt.
tgm5150 1 year ago
David Ray Griffin leading the transformation of Truth to the American people.
Let us create an America which thrives in Peacetime with Jobs at Home.
OnenessNow 1 year ago
7:53 "They all begin with the official story, then construe
the facts to fit that theory even though this requires distorting
some facts and eliminating many others."
Sounds like a lot of priests and preachers that have done that to the Bible, doesn't it? Just goes to show you that Man will always do that, no matter what it may cost.
cliffy827 1 year ago 2
@cliffy827 so true man
tgm5150 1 year ago
anagram osama bin laden=a none bad islam ,,,,,,a fake leader as well as no planes,,,,,,U.S.A duped again into providing solders for war...its a game of chess to the generals,,,,,
aifammafiaaifam 1 year ago
Why the hell is over %80 of the god damn plane magically missing from the crash site of the pentagon?? OOOOOh thats right most was completely incinerated to nothing! Wow the first time in history. The trade centers were also the first steel building to fall from fire. We sure as hell made alot of history that day im so sorry for the families that Bush murdered.
lamiac2411 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 there are no more firsts to be had for the rest of history? i'll kill myself now then to avoid the boredom... i suggest you join me.
jakefortwice 1 year ago
@jakefortwice Sounds like a plan!!
lamiac2411 1 year ago 2
David Ray Griffion is a joke, trying to talk about the "Facts". He and the Truthers ignore mountains of facts at every turn. I mean common, there still trying to convince people there were no planes at the Pentagon or Shanksville. And he's talking about getting Empirical, LOL. Why not first admit that planes were at those 2 locations. Untill that you have zero crediblitity Mr. Griffion
JPPolachek 2 years ago
@JPPolachek Really? if you listen to the whole lecture he says that an F16 was in position to shoot down Flight 93 not that it was'nt there. Yes people on BOTH sides of the dogfight ARE discounting the facts on one side for the facts of the other. The same thing has to be done in a trial process if you have ever sat on a jury. The question is, who is responsible for the conflicting facts? The truth movement? The people who accept the official story as I once did? Or the government?
2001perseus 1 year ago
@JPPolachek Sure get angry, everybody should be angry but get angry at the people who won't answer the questions not the people who ask them. Take the 911 commission. Bush refuses to appear without Cheney beside him. REFUSES to be put under oath, or recorded or have transcripts taken So who has less credibility. Griffin or him? and who's fault is that Griffin's or Bush? Was his behaviour at that school credible as commander in chief? Never mind the planes still in the air read the goat story?
2001perseus 1 year ago
@JPPolachek
Can you answer the multitude of questions that our goverment refuses to answer?
I will listen tto any a plausible explanation as to why WTC7 came down at free fall speeds despite not being hit by an airplane.
The melted steel?
No debris at the Pentagon?
The fact that 19 guys with boxcutters shutdown NORAD for 90 minutes.
What about the astronomical amount of PUT options taken out on the insurance companies and airlines the day before 911 occurred?
Got anything?
CTCADGUY 1 year ago
@CTCADGUY melted steel was aluminum...duh...there was an airplane at the pentagon......look at the debris pics......and review the market/puts from the 3 months prior....you see it is not odd......it is routine.......do your reasearch
JPPolachek 1 year ago
@JPPolachek duhh yourself fuckwit.
MrOllie86 1 year ago
@JPPolachek how about you do your own research and learn a bit about physics while your at it. also open your mind.
MrOllie86 1 year ago 2
Excellent. This is Fantastic! 5/5
JimUFO 2 years ago 18