this is a 100% correct guillotine.. people writing differently have never done BJJ - this is ALMOST the exact same guillotine that Jones just took Machida out with - the difference is, his arm is way longer - allowing him to use it as a leaver, instead of needing monkey grip and he was standing up ... and this is fucking RENZO GRACIE ...
To everyone criticizing the technique: There are many different guillotine variations. i have won fights with four different variations, and all of them ended up with a semi-conscious opponent. Stop bitching.
@BigSidVNOF Not really, You don't want to go on your back because there will be other people that could be his friends and they would be there to stomp on your face.
@Procrastinater09 please....lots of these holds would never work in a real fight like they do in the UFC, anyway. MMA rules forbid exploiting the most sensitive spot on the body: the balls. And a lot of those holds leave you wide open. Just try a rear naked choke or a guillotine on a person who knows that tapping won't get them out....a LOT harder than in the ring lol.
@mrkiky it's easier on the street actually because I've done it. Usually a person who starts a fight on the street doesn't know how to fight. It seemed like he didn't even know that a rear naked could even put him to sleep. In a ring or a cage the other person is ready and educated in ground fighting, making it much more difficult. Seriously on the street it was easier, because you have to consider the opponents adrenaline and shock. It makes him fight stupid and not use his brain.
@khazal12 What do you mean that he didn't know that a choke could put him to sleep? Cause what was he supposed to do, tap? Anyway, I tried a rear naked choke on someone once and I had to let go cause he managed to get his hand in a dangerous position. True that I wasn't really squeezing , just tried to immobilize and held it for a long time.
@mrkiky As in he didn't try to pull my arms off his neck, he gave me one short elbow in the ribs and then went to sleep (I was squeezing so it only took like 4 or 5 seconds). And people around didn't know what the hell I was doing, they thought I killed him lol. If you get your leg hooks in tight, it's kindof impossible to reach for the balls. And most people in the spur of the moment don't reach for weak spots, the just flail punches and writhe around like a fish out of water.
@khazal12 Yea I suppose it's true if you're fighting unexperienced guys.Also yes, leglocks, armbar would totally still work, there's no "dirty" way of countering
@mrkiky Yh, i've been in 4 real fights in my life, and all of them so far had no idea what they where doing and where confused by the adrenaline shot you get in a fight.
I'd take out Rendzo..... my techniques are just so much superior.... ok ok ... I'm kidding.... BUT... if he was drunk.... really really drunk.... MAYBE....lol ...
hmm interesting... i see about four or five ways the guy could've escaped with this sloppy technique!... He's right about the gilotine being an excellent choke, I know first hand I've used it in maybe10-20 street/cage fights, but if you do it like this you're basically asked to get countered and palm striked to the face. :(
this is such a good submission if your a strong guy also sicne can muscle it in pretty easy, hence look at allistair overeem throws guilotine chokes on everyone like nothing cause he is tall and very strong.
@desembodic I tap people with this all the time and I'm DEFINITELY not that strong. I tap much bigger, stronger guys. If you actually position yourself like you're supposed to (e.g how RENZO shows it), it doesn't take much strength other than flexing your lat a little. When it takes strength is when you perform it with shitty technique and you don't have his head in the right place.
Guilotine choke is one of the easiest submission so i am god damn sure he did it right since he is one of the best . If he did it any differently from what you know it means ur wrong
@MrThedude73 of course, you get taught the mechanics that you can apply in different angles/ holds. The one wit the creative mind is the more "natural" looking grappler
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Torubu is quite correct in his observation, and if watch a REAL MMA fight, it is rarely applied as a blood choke as much as it is a throat crush. Watch carefully....the forearm is almost ALWAYS straight against the windpipe when applied in an actual fight. Gracie is applying it in this video in the proper THEORETICAL manner. Very similar to a rear naked in that the rear naked is often used in its throatcrush manner. Improperly, of course. Crushing a windpipe can land you in prison right quick.
ive learnt a variation of this where you do the same sort of thing but push your thumb into their adams apple. even when applied lightly in training it makes you gag and choke and is also very painfull
I used this today in a real life self defense situation as I was attacked by some crazy guy wearing a sweatsuit. I had it tight and was extremely comfortable in the situation. It was resolved before anyone was hurt.
It's a great choke and it works well especially if your opponet is really tired and doesn't have the nengery to get out of it or got rocked by a punch or a kick which leaves them too disorinated to able to defend it. But there is away to defend it. If you are caught in one tilt your head to the side facing your opponet which will relieve the pressure from wind-pipe and then start taking shot to their ribbs which will then make them break their hold.
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But you see, turning your head to the side opens it up to how its SUPPOSED to be used, and that is actually blocking your artery, What you want to do to defend this move, is duck your chin into your opponents arm an bring your hand up, from the bottom, to break the hold
Sorry but your wrong it's suppose to cut the wind pipe off. Even so when you turn your head to the side it releves that pressure. Also you aren't blocking the artery as you think you are. Keep in mind even if one artery is blocked you still have circulation going to the other artery. Go watch Bas Rutens front choke esacpe into a slam on here, you'll know what i'm talking about.
Spoken from a street thug? lol Go learn a thing or two or train for a day in BJJ. Renzo is a 6th degree black belt, so i think i'll take his word over your's in regards to a proper Guillotine choke. Thanks for trying though.
extremely lethal and popular choke--when that bad boy is locked in properly your opponent has only two choices--go to sleep like a man or tap out like bitch
HAHA very true...I lose more fights than I when,but I dont run or back down......Now that I am back in Arizona I just carry my ruger sp.101 .357 snub nose ...fuck it..
LoL that's funny. I figured that out without any teaching. I had a guy in position and it was evident how to choke him. Extremely effective choke. With straightening out or even arching your back....pfffffff. Guy can pass out in no time.
In a real fight the point of putting your opponent in a chokehold would be to incapacitate him, not make him tap out. So by the time you let him go, he should be unconscious.
ur asking if this is effective in a real fight? well considering that choke blocks ur arteries or w.e its called in ur neck and blocks blood flow to ur brain... people tap because well... they aint tryin to get passed the fuck out... another good choke is the rear naked choke... the reason why i liek it... is because when ur on the ground in a real fight many times the opponent will turn on his knees because of lack of experience and then BAM u got him in the most effective choke ever
I don't think this is a blood choke to be honest, I feel it crushes the windpipe more than anything else. The forearm, when done to a male of course, pushes the adam's apple back into the throat which is extremely painful. Cutting off wind, you can't breath and you're out pretty quickly, albeit slower than a blood choke but this hurts a lot more than blood chokes.
Myself and another officer had to arrest a suspect tonight. Had trouble getting his hands behind his back until I applied the Guillotine choke. Took only a few seconds! Great!!
the guillotine, when sunk in deep enough, puts pressure on the carotid artery and cuts off blood flow. Most of the time, you don't end up deep enough and just end up coming across the windpipe.
In a competition format, both will get the tap (across the windpipe probably will tap faster), but in a real fight it will take longer to put the guy to sleep if you don't get it in deep enough to cut off the carotids.
Actually a blood choke is much faster than an air choke. A blood choke can putyou out in about 10 or 12 seconds an air choke in about 20 to 25 seconds.
I won't argue with you, I saw my friend's teacher on youtube putting guys out in 5 and 6 seconds. look up Justin Chim Chim Garcia or Jungle Gym. These were the numbers I got from a cop, I know what 12-20 seconds can either kill or cause serious brain injury.
this is a 100% correct guillotine.. people writing differently have never done BJJ - this is ALMOST the exact same guillotine that Jones just took Machida out with - the difference is, his arm is way longer - allowing him to use it as a leaver, instead of needing monkey grip and he was standing up ... and this is fucking RENZO GRACIE ...
MagiiCde416 1 month ago
any one saying renzo is wrong is retarded
rickyd454 1 month ago
classic technic :) btw he speaks like some wise guy from some Scorsese movie :)
BigBoss1982 2 months ago
I am a student of joe capizzi a renzo blackbelt and he has the wickedist guillotine ive ever seen for refernce check out capizzi vs felip de costa
tdBank13 2 months ago
Renzo isn ever wrong stupid ass 6blackbelt
MrWesley026 3 months ago
This video should be titled, "What happens when she doesnt make my sandwich"
UareInferior2me 4 months ago
how do u keep from getting slammed when u got a guillotine?
greatblueherron 6 months ago
@greatblueherron ny chocking them
rickyd454 1 month ago
To everyone criticizing the technique: There are many different guillotine variations. i have won fights with four different variations, and all of them ended up with a semi-conscious opponent. Stop bitching.
musicman24X 6 months ago
I made some tap out with this submission today. :)
1997Rhett 10 months ago
This is good; but, Marcelo Garcia's way is preferred.
BurtonGrappling 1 year ago
This is some good sh*t for self defense. I been learning more and more about jiu jitsu. Thanks alot for the upload.
BigSidVNOF 1 year ago
@BigSidVNOF Not really, You don't want to go on your back because there will be other people that could be his friends and they would be there to stomp on your face.
Procrastinater09 1 year ago
@Procrastinater09 please....lots of these holds would never work in a real fight like they do in the UFC, anyway. MMA rules forbid exploiting the most sensitive spot on the body: the balls. And a lot of those holds leave you wide open. Just try a rear naked choke or a guillotine on a person who knows that tapping won't get them out....a LOT harder than in the ring lol.
mrkiky 9 months ago
@mrkiky it's easier on the street actually because I've done it. Usually a person who starts a fight on the street doesn't know how to fight. It seemed like he didn't even know that a rear naked could even put him to sleep. In a ring or a cage the other person is ready and educated in ground fighting, making it much more difficult. Seriously on the street it was easier, because you have to consider the opponents adrenaline and shock. It makes him fight stupid and not use his brain.
khazal12 8 months ago
@khazal12 What do you mean that he didn't know that a choke could put him to sleep? Cause what was he supposed to do, tap? Anyway, I tried a rear naked choke on someone once and I had to let go cause he managed to get his hand in a dangerous position. True that I wasn't really squeezing , just tried to immobilize and held it for a long time.
mrkiky 8 months ago
@mrkiky As in he didn't try to pull my arms off his neck, he gave me one short elbow in the ribs and then went to sleep (I was squeezing so it only took like 4 or 5 seconds). And people around didn't know what the hell I was doing, they thought I killed him lol. If you get your leg hooks in tight, it's kindof impossible to reach for the balls. And most people in the spur of the moment don't reach for weak spots, the just flail punches and writhe around like a fish out of water.
khazal12 8 months ago
@khazal12 Yea I suppose it's true if you're fighting unexperienced guys.Also yes, leglocks, armbar would totally still work, there's no "dirty" way of countering
mrkiky 8 months ago
@mrkiky Yh, i've been in 4 real fights in my life, and all of them so far had no idea what they where doing and where confused by the adrenaline shot you get in a fight.
khazal12 8 months ago
@mrkiky trust the techniques, they were perfected by countless generations of martial artists.
wiredtoawall 7 months ago
I'd take out Rendzo..... my techniques are just so much superior.... ok ok ... I'm kidding.... BUT... if he was drunk.... really really drunk.... MAYBE....lol ...
funkyflights 1 year ago
yeah thats why frank shamrock kicked your fucking bitch ass
LeoLovesNature 1 year ago
hmm interesting... i see about four or five ways the guy could've escaped with this sloppy technique!... He's right about the gilotine being an excellent choke, I know first hand I've used it in maybe10-20 street/cage fights, but if you do it like this you're basically asked to get countered and palm striked to the face. :(
alienmode 1 year ago
Renzo Gracie, he's a legend!!! Thanks for the upload!!
matuto2007 1 year ago
this is such a good submission if your a strong guy also sicne can muscle it in pretty easy, hence look at allistair overeem throws guilotine chokes on everyone like nothing cause he is tall and very strong.
desembodic 2 years ago
@desembodic
Especially the way he's showing it ... if you're tired it'd be tough b/c it takes quite a bit of strength to finish it with the grip he's showing.
I usually start it this way and with this grip in such situations but I'll modify my grip later to produce more force.
I'm pretty strong but I want to be sure it works. If you hold this a long time and it fails, you're pretty drained.
kinnokaizoku 2 years ago
@desembodic I tap people with this all the time and I'm DEFINITELY not that strong. I tap much bigger, stronger guys. If you actually position yourself like you're supposed to (e.g how RENZO shows it), it doesn't take much strength other than flexing your lat a little. When it takes strength is when you perform it with shitty technique and you don't have his head in the right place.
Ligierthegreensun 1 year ago
This guy has probably forgotten more about bjj then I will ever know in my life. A great master so they say!
Kokujin43 2 years ago 2
Guilotine choke is one of the easiest submission so i am god damn sure he did it right since he is one of the best . If he did it any differently from what you know it means ur wrong
lain777 2 years ago 6
1. Sucessful troll
2. Youtube/Google the Guillotine done by Marcelo Garcia
streetthug4life 1 year ago
lmao people doubting one of the greatest bjj teachers of all time, only on youtube.
daz45 2 years ago 7
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122edvanas 2 years ago
Renzo is an ADCC champ. He knows how to do this choke.
SuperSneakySteve 2 years ago 3
Ol Renzo tapped out Pat Miletich with a flying guillotine, and someone has the nerve to say that Renzo is "not right" about the choke. Good lord.
pitbull103 2 years ago 4
There are variations of this, as most people here have already said, but saying that this variation is just plain wrong is actually kind of amusing!
I don't even know where to start showing you how wrong you are...
Challsoer 2 years ago
... How wrong you are about Renzo Gracie doing this technique wrong!!
Challsoer 2 years ago
its amazing how many retards have commented on this video
jfthrash 2 years ago 10
lol thats wat u were taught? from who..this guy brought the fighting technique to america
caseygay 2 years ago 3
Dude that is Renzo. There are obviously different variations of the guillotine, but saying Renzo is wrong is just incredibly STUPID.
MrThedude73 2 years ago 54
@MrThedude73 Renzo is wrong.
medog2020 1 year ago
@MrThedude73 of course, you get taught the mechanics that you can apply in different angles/ holds. The one wit the creative mind is the more "natural" looking grappler
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2StepMurder 2 years ago
LMAO at doubting the one of the best bjj's in the world, lol only in the internet
PortuguesePlayer21 2 years ago 6
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nervousboy1111 2 years ago
Renzo Gracie is the man!
eltubster14 2 years ago 4
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he sounds like a cheap mafioso
sooperfukker 2 years ago
love this move. LIke Renzo said "one of the most common and most effective way to finish the fight in MMA"
freak1991 2 years ago 2
Torubu is quite correct in his observation, and if watch a REAL MMA fight, it is rarely applied as a blood choke as much as it is a throat crush. Watch carefully....the forearm is almost ALWAYS straight against the windpipe when applied in an actual fight. Gracie is applying it in this video in the proper THEORETICAL manner. Very similar to a rear naked in that the rear naked is often used in its throatcrush manner. Improperly, of course. Crushing a windpipe can land you in prison right quick.
ayokay123 2 years ago
ive learnt a variation of this where you do the same sort of thing but push your thumb into their adams apple. even when applied lightly in training it makes you gag and choke and is also very painfull
tyebo87 2 years ago
i'm pretty sure that's illegal in virtually everything sport related
lolll666 2 years ago
we learn it as a self defence technique. bouncers use it it get people out of bars. really painfull aswell as choking you out.
tyebo87 2 years ago
LOOOL fucking noob
PortuguesePlayer21 2 years ago
you're pretty wrong.
borayongacoglu 2 years ago
I used this today in a real life self defense situation as I was attacked by some crazy guy wearing a sweatsuit. I had it tight and was extremely comfortable in the situation. It was resolved before anyone was hurt.
edrocks3 2 years ago
why'd people thumbs down ur comment? lol Mayb its the guy that attacked you.
BenDotComM 2 years ago
Hahahahahahahahaha definitely someone who doesn't like to be choked out!
edrocks3 2 years ago
Thats tough
clayg80 2 years ago
It's a great choke and it works well especially if your opponet is really tired and doesn't have the nengery to get out of it or got rocked by a punch or a kick which leaves them too disorinated to able to defend it. But there is away to defend it. If you are caught in one tilt your head to the side facing your opponet which will relieve the pressure from wind-pipe and then start taking shot to their ribbs which will then make them break their hold.
SteelCity1981 2 years ago
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But you see, turning your head to the side opens it up to how its SUPPOSED to be used, and that is actually blocking your artery, What you want to do to defend this move, is duck your chin into your opponents arm an bring your hand up, from the bottom, to break the hold
lilsmartrat3 2 years ago
Sorry but your wrong it's suppose to cut the wind pipe off. Even so when you turn your head to the side it releves that pressure. Also you aren't blocking the artery as you think you are. Keep in mind even if one artery is blocked you still have circulation going to the other artery. Go watch Bas Rutens front choke esacpe into a slam on here, you'll know what i'm talking about.
SteelCity1981 2 years ago
no, if u put ur chin into their arm and they continue to squeeze it will put pressure on your neck and could do some serious damage.
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streetthug4life 2 years ago
fuck you.
borayongacoglu 2 years ago
Spoken from a street thug? lol Go learn a thing or two or train for a day in BJJ. Renzo is a 6th degree black belt, so i think i'll take his word over your's in regards to a proper Guillotine choke. Thanks for trying though.
dirtyminded604 1 year ago
extremely lethal and popular choke--when that bad boy is locked in properly your opponent has only two choices--go to sleep like a man or tap out like bitch
sonofject 3 years ago
HAHA very true...I lose more fights than I when,but I dont run or back down......Now that I am back in Arizona I just carry my ruger sp.101 .357 snub nose ...fuck it..
nothingleft2live4 2 years ago
ah so you're a gimp who carries a weapon... how pathetic of you
cryingindian 2 years ago
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gabonx 2 years ago
LoL that's funny. I figured that out without any teaching. I had a guy in position and it was evident how to choke him. Extremely effective choke. With straightening out or even arching your back....pfffffff. Guy can pass out in no time.
JohnsonGetDown 3 years ago
i fucking love this move
will707 3 years ago
Thats machida right? the guy being choked?
level1mma 3 years ago
Very good choke hold!
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blueviking505 3 years ago
can you break or do damage to the neck?
mournfullax 3 years ago
you can cause brain damage because it attacks the arteries not so much the bones
supmayne1 3 years ago
king of the chokes
scottblink182 3 years ago
ye...dont let go lol
dimi887 3 years ago
i like it its simple
SkidRidly 3 years ago
Renzo does make it look easy. But yes, the choke is easy to learn, harder to master.
mattfinn 3 years ago 2
is this effective in a real fight because if u let them go cant they just start pounding away at u?
yfz450lover 4 years ago
They can hit you form in your guard easy...
Brazilianjj 4 years ago
In a real fight the point of putting your opponent in a chokehold would be to incapacitate him, not make him tap out. So by the time you let him go, he should be unconscious.
TsaxMa 4 years ago 24
ur asking if this is effective in a real fight? well considering that choke blocks ur arteries or w.e its called in ur neck and blocks blood flow to ur brain... people tap because well... they aint tryin to get passed the fuck out... another good choke is the rear naked choke... the reason why i liek it... is because when ur on the ground in a real fight many times the opponent will turn on his knees because of lack of experience and then BAM u got him in the most effective choke ever
Diminish420 3 years ago
I don't think this is a blood choke to be honest, I feel it crushes the windpipe more than anything else. The forearm, when done to a male of course, pushes the adam's apple back into the throat which is extremely painful. Cutting off wind, you can't breath and you're out pretty quickly, albeit slower than a blood choke but this hurts a lot more than blood chokes.
torubu 3 years ago
it happend to me wrestling with friends and it is for sure a blood choke haha
supmayne1 3 years ago
well with proper positioning it can be both.
the forearm over the throat is the air choke, while the ulna and bicep on the carotid and jugular, respectively, cut off blood supply.
axlethered91 3 years ago
Did Royce put on a few pounds?
RDTProductions 4 years ago
That's Renzo
maddmax988 4 years ago 4
lol
acslater017 4 years ago 2
Myself and another officer had to arrest a suspect tonight. Had trouble getting his hands behind his back until I applied the Guillotine choke. Took only a few seconds! Great!!
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Trigunflame 2 years ago
"renzo gracie choke", huh?
rystyjumppa 4 years ago
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renzo showed his gayness when he fought frank shamrock!!!
kirt007hamit 4 years ago
renzo gracie is a very talented martial artist.. i plan to train at the renzo academy once i finish school...which is another yr from now,,
hitemup221 4 years ago
You are the man Renzo!!!! You have an excelent partner in Mexico, Mario Delgado the best JJ teacher!
CastorDiaz 4 years ago
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hey renzo.... wtf..... its "throat" not "troooaaat." Better english please.
xslegend 4 years ago
the dude's brazilian. Cut the guy a break.
snakethemack 4 years ago 3
i love renzo
ninalor 4 years ago
piekna gilotyna:D
rysiutaxi 5 years ago
are you supposed to cut off the veins to stop the blood flow and make ur opponent unconcious with this?
diabolic42090 5 years ago
Pretty much it :D
lordaradon 5 years ago
veins? lol? just the two main arteries in your body..
bnack86 5 years ago
the guillotine, when sunk in deep enough, puts pressure on the carotid artery and cuts off blood flow. Most of the time, you don't end up deep enough and just end up coming across the windpipe.
In a competition format, both will get the tap (across the windpipe probably will tap faster), but in a real fight it will take longer to put the guy to sleep if you don't get it in deep enough to cut off the carotids.
SteveX790 4 years ago 4
Yea, back when I wrote that comment I wasn't sure if it was a blood choke or a throat crush, but now I've learned it can be done both ways.
diabolic42090 4 years ago
Actually a blood choke is much faster than an air choke. A blood choke can putyou out in about 10 or 12 seconds an air choke in about 20 to 25 seconds.
RightWingCon81 4 years ago
10 or 12 seconds?!!! a blood choke can put you out in 4 to 6 seconds.
building7911 4 years ago 5
I won't argue with you, I saw my friend's teacher on youtube putting guys out in 5 and 6 seconds. look up Justin Chim Chim Garcia or Jungle Gym. These were the numbers I got from a cop, I know what 12-20 seconds can either kill or cause serious brain injury.
RightWingCon81 4 years ago
woohoo fun to practice on friends
XxBradleyxX 5 years ago
Ironic that Renzo finished off Pat yesterday with the very technique that he demonstrated as an IFL promo clip. Congrats Renzo!
MMAsage82 5 years ago
gotta any more videos like this??i saw that bas one u have, good shit,.....
darkstar72488 5 years ago
Thanks. They come from the IFL shows on FSN/Comcast Sport Net
nakppi 4 years ago
stfu
carven2004eca 4 years ago
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you funny!!!LOL!!!!
rha37 1 year ago
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rha37 1 year ago
jo okay. good that some guys help spreading the art
junemyer 5 years ago