I can't make any generalizations about all forms of karate but a lot of Wado conditions the karateka to shift very quickly in response to an attack and strike/defend simultaneously. As you get higher up, there are also take-downs and more nasty stuff. Even at the lower ranks, with Sanbon Kumite, we're learning some very effective stuff. The upper cut and block doesn't just look cool- it either shatters the attacker's teeth or gives them a concussion.
Lets look at war. First weapon system used is some kind of missle launcher such as; paitriot missle, scud or whatever. Second is some kind of bombardment from air. Third light armor division.....my point is that long range attacks are used first and if the opposing army is good enough to get passed that then they move in closer range. I have yet to see two armies start of fighting with pistols or knives in war. Martial Way is war...not a competition.
That keyboard noise in the beginning brings back memories. Our dad used to have that keyboard, it was by Roland. I think it was the Roland D-50, if so, my memory rocks. And yes, Wado Ryu Karate is excellent.
Anyone here ever hear of Wado Ryu Church Push Karate? That is were a few sneak away from dojo and push about 3000 mormons out of their church business office windows then jump over 40 stories ontop of their dead bodies and walk away in disgust. Or Hawaiian Air Karate? Thats were we pirate a commecial airliner fly to Hawaii bash every airliner out of the sky bash a wing through the next aircraft crawl across the wing an kill Hawaiians 30,000 ft in the air. typical kills12,000 - 30,000 a weekend
I really dont understand people who always say "A grappler would win" blah blah blah. Striking vs. Grappling. They keep comparing apples to oranges. Look at mma or any street fight, both skills are essential. Also in a street fight, you dont need BJJ or kickboxing or whatever: most opponents in a streetfight dont know how to fight for s***.
Hi there, I am new to the argument going on here. But I have this to add: I have practiced Shotokan for 12 years, then I started to practice Kyokushin for the past 3 years. This is the difference I have seen (generally): Shotokan people can't take a hit, and kyokushin people don't know how to block their face. Look up Kyokushin with face punching on here and you will see what I mean. Both styles are good though.
Ground fight in shotokan hahahah.....practical moves in shotokan hahahaha..in the first 5 min in a real sparring against a BJJ , a Thai even a Kyokushin fighter you will chenge your mind.
You are a judgmental, ignorant bigot with the critical thinking of a uneducated child. You know nothing about what you are talking, and you've only demonstrated a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about martial arts, karate, and Okinawan fighting.
There are fighters with their basic roots in Shotokan fighting in "MMA Fights".
Karate-Jutsu
This conversation is a waste and useless with someone who knows nothing about Martial Arts.
im sorry that i dont agree with your WRONG choice of martial art.Shotokan is waste of time period..try it against Thai/Bjj/kyokushin etc fighters and you will see..
Funakoshi always state that his karate was DO and no Jutsu.He never Allowed free sparing and only train in kihon and kata.nothing practical as Oyama and everybody always said.learn history
kyokushin didn't materialize out of thin air. it's just karate, though mostly goju. The only difference was the training method, but its the same building blocks. also any fighter that knows how to defend from grapples, can beat any BBJ only fighter(Mostly)
Accept most BJJ fighters beat Kyokunshinkai guys ALL THE TIME. MANY K.Karate guys tried fighting grapplers and all (many caught on video) lost. Kyokushinkai guys are very very very tough. But they're open to ALL take downs (from Judoka, BJJ, wrestlers, etc.). On the ground, unless they had supplemental training, they're useless.
except thats not true. It´s not useless by any means. The only time it´d be useless would be if you were doing a competitive match, had someone not trained to be ready for it, and started the match close enough to tackle, but it couldn´t be too close. Honestly your exaggerating a lot. Theres really too much to touch on as to why you are wrong. I´d need to explain about four other topics to explain it all to you.
Kyokunshinkai karate guys are some of the toughest martial artists in the world. One can't help but be in awe of their skill and spirit. Same with Shidokan fighter. Some with Muay Thai guys (more versatile - though many K karate guys compete in Muay Thai). But in one on one they usually lose against grapplers because grapplers always find a way to close the distance. I have yet to see ONE match where a pure striker avoided a take down.
its been bothering me all day. I should have phrased it differently. That isn´t a disqualifier for usefulnes or that isn´t a qualifier for uselessness.
you keep thinking in terms of competition. and thats only a recent thing to happen in MA, at least with eastern systems. competition for the sake of itself. You have to take into account that no one is a full time athelete like competition professionals. And most people have to quit MA for years on end. which is why kata is good.
I´ll say two more things. less than half of martial arts came from militaries, the larger part came from the military ones that were taught mostly to upper class people ect. this amounts to soldier, and policeman training by modern standards. that´s why karate is still useful. secondly, karate was always a rather patchwork system. Look at gosoku ryu, that has so many combinations and still counts as karate. Karate almost just amounted to fighting skills.
most karate-ka, not sure what term to use, masters, great teachers, whatever, cross trained in various karate styles. most of the great teachers from japan did also, from judo to jujutsu to kendo ect. so by itself, karate is useful. and there´s nothing stopping someone, later on, trying something else.
@MAfanatic "I have yet to see ONE match where a pure striker avoided a take down."
Really????
Youve never seen a sprawl and brawl fighter then. youve never seen Liddell, Quarry, CroCop, Vanderlai?? Rampage, Maurice Smith, Shonie? Think about that and reconsider your position, please.
@MAfanatic Then check out Anderson Silva, Machida for example. To be a great fighter you must open up your mind to everything and take whats usefull for you. Saying a grappler is better than a striker or the other way around is little thinking.
grapplers always have the advantage but that´s not the full story. In the 20th century, striking competitions programmed competitors to fight a certain way. A karate ka without supplemental training can still do well. He´d only have to modify what´s already in the art. And only modify it slightly from its original source, but away from what point, and even contact competition does. Striking competitions are a lot like boxing. It restricts the fighters from using grabs, ect.
a good example woud be Judo and BJJ. 80 percent the same art, simply modified. well, a ballpark figure to make the point. Also most people imagine Judo´s throws, which goes to show what competition training can do. Of course, judo still uses holds even in competition. so they didn´t suffer as big a loss.
For my knowledge, Ashihara karate is the best, kyokushin karate is # 2, goju-ryu # 3. These three style are native from the same family and are just different evolution. You should exploire also the Nick Cerio kenpo. They four style are the best for self-defense in the street.
Any style in any martial art can be "strong" or "weak" depending on the individual. For me, I do Wado Ryu and I have seen many students show that the style's strength relies on themselves. One may be good at fighting, but kata is weak and another vice-a-versa.
You also have to ask yourself why you do that martial art in the first place. Wado Ryu is not actively offensive, but it is highly defensive. Another style of karate might differ entirely, but this can't be called "weak" or "strong".
yeah that's pretty much it, a weak kyokushin guy will also be weak in any other karate ryu so that really depends on your own strength not the "effectiveness" of a martial art, it's really a matter of taste, kyokushin is like the hard way but in my opinion closest to the toughening your body spirit karate was made with, but also the least traditional (most of the clubs are more sports based) I do Goju Ryu and like it, it is relatively simple and effective - again the matter of taste
Yes, wado is "weak". I mean you don't have to be strong or tough to master it. It is a rather soft style. Kyokushin is "strong", much the opposite. But the softness of the style doesn't really mean anything. What I experienced is that: Kyokushin karatekas can't really hit me (up until 1 Dan), Wado karatekas can't fight for long (they get tired easily). The basics of evasion are completely different. In Kyokushin: 1.)"Take it"(muscule block) 2.)"Block it" (uke/barai) 3. )"Evade it" WADO: 3-2-1
You wish your gay-shotokan has this kind of techniques but its only ippon kumite-gohon kumite =attacks with oi-tsuki and counter gyaku tsuki.nothing more what a crap hahahah
I don't understand, what is the difference between Shotokan and what this guy is doing?
I can't see the origin of Shotokan being too far off from the origin of Wado-Ryu. They probably still have most of the same concepts in them somewhere. Unless you can prove to me what Wado has that Shotokan does not.
Wado is a mix of Jujitsu and okinawa karate.the Karate Ohtsuka learned from Mabuni and Motobu sensei.all what he learned from funakoshileft out of Wado because they didnt work
The Karate Funakoshi taught was Okinawan karate and bears all the studies one can find in any other karate if you look at it properly. Even Shotokan Karate has much Jujitsu in it's katas. It seem crazy to state that "Shotokan is shit" when it teaches everything you might learn in another form of karate including judo or jujitsu.
Funakoshi wasnt master thats why he was ass kicked from Motobu regular student.Funakoshi knew only the basics thats why Ohtsuka left him and trained with Motobu and Mabuni
What does this have to do with all the knowledge of practical fighting that can be found in shotokan? Funakoshi did not create all the katas of shotokan.
I think you are simply being bias at this point. Can you elaborate on anything more then the deeper stances? Secondly, how are deeper stances in the least bit a hindrance of the practical use of the movements?
I train in drills for low kicks, round punches, take downs, throws. It goes even further a deals in all the habitual acts of violence that occur in society.
Good for you but those drills are not in Shotokan syllabus as you know.maybe your Sensei recognize the problems of Shotokan material and add this drills
Now you are making a statement about sport karate versus Karate. Of course sport karate is not practical. Many people join karate for SPORT, however, if you want to join karate for practical applications and drills, join a dojo that deals in that. There are many Shotokan Karate-jutsu schools you can go to that are JKA but teach drills and practical fighting.
Looks like these drills are performed for the sake of understanding then. Either way, the point you were making about Shotokan seems fairly ignorant and bias. Try to be open-minded about other martial art schools.
Again, as I've stated. It does have practical combat in the core of it's studies. Do you think the multitude of Katas developed before Shotokan and currently found in Shotokan are completely void of practical combat? To think that this martial art is useless is to be utterly ignorant. It has Strikes, close combat, grabs, locks, throws, take downs, ground grappling and submissions/ breaks and chokes. These are all practical.
So all the practical combat found in the Katas in your opinion is simply an illusions? Again, you are simply ignoring the facts. How are all of the katas rendered impractical because of "deeper stances"?
Funakoshi changed all the practiacl moves.look how are the kata in other styles.different moves.and again sohotkan doesnt have practical drills prepare you for real fight
You need to try and argue one point at a time rather then jumping around failing miserably. How are the practical applications of the Shotokan Katas unpractical? How does the accent of a Kata change the core meaning? Again, there are Shotokan Karate schools that teach practical applications using Shotokan Karate as a basis for these Drills. How are you to disagree with fact?
1.Shotokan katas are changed kata and with not any practical moves.2.Shotokan doesnt have in syllabus/material drills against real attacks,only against oi/gyaku tsuki
1. Shotokan Katas have not changed all that much. There are a myriad of practical applications found in each and every kata of Shotokan. One can learn effective striking(head, hands, elbows, knees, kicks and 'hidden' strikes) as well as throws, takedowns, grappling, submission/ breaks and locks. If these can be found in Shotokan, how can you be correct? You cannot be correct if these practical combat skills can be found in Shotokan, which they are.
try and see the bunkai Shotokan has.here in yt there is plenty of Shotokan master as nishiyama,nakayama,kanazawa etc.the bunkai they show sucks.defenses against oi-tsuki.yeah right!
Again, you are mentioning sport karate defences and attacks. Sport Karate is developed from Shotokan, Shotokan is NOT developed from sport karate. The bunkai they show are sport karate interpretations. There are much more valid and much more practical bunkai in Shotokan.
I would like to know if you are saying that Wado Ryu and Shotokan have different uses for Katas like Chinto, Jihon, Jitte, Tekki, Enpi (Wado may have similar or different names for these kata)? For the most part, most of these bunkai are the same. The difference in accents of techniques may have very little effect on the bunkai, and what ever effect it may have would be only in how the bunkai is performed. Name for me a Kata that Shotokan and Wado have in common, and a bunkai to test similarity.
First of all Wado doesnt have Bunkai but Kaisetsu.tottally different aproach from the sugject.Second Ohtsuka (founder of Wado)learn the real applications of those Kata from Mabuni and motobu.not from Funakoshi with the limited Knowledge of Okinawa Karate
Keep the discussion clean. No point in calling other styles shit. By the way, are you saying that any change to a kata makes it useless? Do you think all the katas in any modern karate style look like they did hundreds of years ago when they came from China and other places?
To answer your question about the difference between Shotokan and Wado Ryu, Wado is influenced by Shindo Yoshin Ryu and added evasive body movement to the karate techniques. So while many of the techniques look the same, there's often a different philosophy behind them. Instead of absorbing the energy of your opponent, you let it pass. This is why Wado is less about hardening your body than some other styles.
Thanks Ikokujin. I do know the difference in the practiced form of these Karate 'styles'. However, what I was trying to explain to acerwk was that Shotokan and Wado Ryu despite how different their practice may be, the core meaning of their katas still remain very similar.
Acerwk insulted Shotokan, and when approached about his reasons for insulting Shotokan, he can only fallaciously avoid providing proper points.
That's true. Actually, the Wado kata draws very little (if anything) from the Shindo Yoshin side of things. I think partly because Ohtsuka didn't want to mess with them, and was himself in the process of learning them. He was a master of Shindo Yoshin to begin with, after all, not karate. As for acerwk, I know, I told him to behave as you can see further down the page.
I should add that with "draws very little from Shindo Yoshin", I mean in terms of actual techniques. However, they're still supposed to be performed in a relaxed manner as Wado teaches.
Guys the application of Shotokan katas is different form Wado katas because Ohtsuka re-learned the katas in right way from Mabuni and Motobu that shows different applications that Funakoshi
Maybe I view katas differently then you do Acerwk, this could be part of your confusion. For instance, to use a stance, as an example, which is common in most martial arts. Kiba Dachi or Horse Stance is a basic ground grappling guard. Whether it be Tekki in Wado or Tekki in Shotokan, these are Katas that can simulate ground grappling. How does the "deepness" of a stance or the accent of an arm movement change the core meaning of the kata? It does not in my understanding.
If you think you can learn ground fighitng from Shotokan katas try few lesson on BJJ and you will open your eyes!To understand how a simple change in a move change all meanining and practical of a Kata study deep the history and the development of Katas
"If you think you can learn ground fighitng from Shotokan katas..."
Are you stating that ground grappling cannot be learned in Shotokan Katas? Or are you simply ignoring ANOTHER point again?
"To understand how a simple change in a move change all meanining and practical of a Kata."
The katas are the concept for the applications, the concepts are in every Kata. Of course the applications changes with each and every person who performs the application. Concept is still similar.
What is MMA? Where does MMA come from? What is it a mix of? How is a martial art a mix of something? You are sounding more and more stupid the more I talk to you.
Are you saying that all forms of Karate are utterly useless? It seems like you are NOW suggesting that Wado sucks, why not study MMA.
stupid you are if you think you can stand with shotokan against someone that knows the basic.maybe against a child or old man,as Oyama always said,shotokan MAYBE can serve
Ugh... this kiddie sounds like a fanboy. Aye I saw that fillum, but I didn't let it fool me into thinking mr Dux is invincible. Come back when you're mature enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
It's one thing to do at in the dojo, another to see them done properly. I'm damned glad my sensei told me to have a peek at these; gives me something to aim to.
Although it does gall me that I need 6 for my 1st Dan, whereas others need 2. Hmph. -_-
Great Video, The crispness of technique I have only seen with the Japanese. Europeans always seemed a bit wooden. I'm not saying I'm right but that's my experience.
I never learnt or was taught the meaning of the techniques. When fighting I just had to make it up as I went along. I think Karate training actually hindered my learning. I trust myself to make the best decisions as to training and not give my power to some Sensei who may or may not be a complete nutter.
of course in actual combat you should ALWAYStrust yourself to do what is natural and what feels right.
But following the discipline of traditional movements and katas is what makes it Martial ARTS, and also a kind of a sport...but the Kumite fighting and sparring is more the competition headto head.
But yes...when fighting for real...there is no style but your own.
ikokujin - Wah! I was advised so long ago -I forget- to study Wado Ryu. You've reminded me with these videos and given a glimpse. Domo Arigato Gozaimasu. PS More Onegaishimasu.
We do traditional wado ryu. and yeah i know what you mean about kihons getting boring, we don't do them very often because i think you only need to learn 2 for a 1st dan.
I stopped teaching Kihons at my Dojo, as people were getting bored with them, after studying them more indepth and finding the applications ive began teaching them again, thanx for the vids, Sensei Suzuki amazes me.
You're welcome. Although, you can hardly call it wado ryu if you don't teach kihon kumite. Excluding those seems like a very bad idea if you claim to teach traditional wado.
Getting bored with training? There's something very wrong with your students and the cause of this is, of course, in the instructor; if they're bored they should quit or fix their motivation, assuming that they're doing neither, one can draw the conclusion that you aren't making clear to them what a budo attitude is all about.
the boredom factor came about from our previous instructor, (ive since split from and set up on my own)he never taught the reason behind Kihon Kumite, they were all very boring lessons with no conclusion or answer to the techniques, that said i have began teaching Kihon Kumite to my students with the "Bunkai" i had to get to understand them before i teach them, my students now understand there relevence, and therefore enjoy Kihon lessons
Bunkai? Wado has no bunkai. Bunkai is fixed. Wado only has kaisetsu witch means explanation. Kihon gumite should not be practised with any bunkai. It should be studied the way it is. >>
There are some additionals with are called "ura waza". Its like the inside out or 'negative' from kihon gumite. But hardly no one knows that properly. Just practise the kihon gumite very hard, very hard! Then, we you begin to understand the different objectives in all 10 kihon gumite, it might be time to practise some henka waza (additionals)
Wado Ryu Karate -Greece-
kostasinnova 2 months ago
I can't make any generalizations about all forms of karate but a lot of Wado conditions the karateka to shift very quickly in response to an attack and strike/defend simultaneously. As you get higher up, there are also take-downs and more nasty stuff. Even at the lower ranks, with Sanbon Kumite, we're learning some very effective stuff. The upper cut and block doesn't just look cool- it either shatters the attacker's teeth or gives them a concussion.
majin2912 3 months ago
Lets look at war. First weapon system used is some kind of missle launcher such as; paitriot missle, scud or whatever. Second is some kind of bombardment from air. Third light armor division.....my point is that long range attacks are used first and if the opposing army is good enough to get passed that then they move in closer range. I have yet to see two armies start of fighting with pistols or knives in war. Martial Way is war...not a competition.
HandRpuffin 3 months ago
That keyboard noise in the beginning brings back memories. Our dad used to have that keyboard, it was by Roland. I think it was the Roland D-50, if so, my memory rocks. And yes, Wado Ryu Karate is excellent.
VisioninScience 8 months ago
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Anyone here ever hear of Wado Ryu Church Push Karate? That is were a few sneak away from dojo and push about 3000 mormons out of their church business office windows then jump over 40 stories ontop of their dead bodies and walk away in disgust. Or Hawaiian Air Karate? Thats were we pirate a commecial airliner fly to Hawaii bash every airliner out of the sky bash a wing through the next aircraft crawl across the wing an kill Hawaiians 30,000 ft in the air. typical kills12,000 - 30,000 a weekend
inspectorcritic 1 year ago
Japanese way of things...is to perfect them...
my style uses grappling but there are big differeances from samurai jujutsu and bjj,judo,jiujitsu....
i have mounted somone on a street fight and ended up with stiches and bleeding from my head...facing down n got hit by a bat...
ala thats why samurai used there knee to pinn and kept upright during battle.
ring n real is differeant.even mma fighters understand that.
the ultimate fighter..doesnt fight in a ring.
he is a warrior.
Jumoklord 2 years ago
I really dont understand people who always say "A grappler would win" blah blah blah. Striking vs. Grappling. They keep comparing apples to oranges. Look at mma or any street fight, both skills are essential. Also in a street fight, you dont need BJJ or kickboxing or whatever: most opponents in a streetfight dont know how to fight for s***.
wasssuuuppp420 2 years ago 8
@wasssuuuppp420 the way i look at it its never down to the fighting style its al;ways down to the student
shmad1 7 months ago
I think this video is just silly.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
Hi there, I am new to the argument going on here. But I have this to add: I have practiced Shotokan for 12 years, then I started to practice Kyokushin for the past 3 years. This is the difference I have seen (generally): Shotokan people can't take a hit, and kyokushin people don't know how to block their face. Look up Kyokushin with face punching on here and you will see what I mean. Both styles are good though.
odjrin 2 years ago
interesante mas não entendo esta lingua
Alexandrecamilinha 2 years ago
Ground fight in shotokan hahahah.....practical moves in shotokan hahahaha..in the first 5 min in a real sparring against a BJJ , a Thai even a Kyokushin fighter you will chenge your mind.
acerwk 2 years ago
You are a judgmental, ignorant bigot with the critical thinking of a uneducated child. You know nothing about what you are talking, and you've only demonstrated a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about martial arts, karate, and Okinawan fighting.
There are fighters with their basic roots in Shotokan fighting in "MMA Fights".
Karate-Jutsu
This conversation is a waste and useless with someone who knows nothing about Martial Arts.
Gwisss 2 years ago 3
im sorry that i dont agree with your WRONG choice of martial art.Shotokan is waste of time period..try it against Thai/Bjj/kyokushin etc fighters and you will see..
acerwk 2 years ago
And dont forget Shotokan is not Karate-Jutsu or like the traditional Okinawa karate...
acerwk 2 years ago
Shotokan Karate-Jutsu, developed from the Katas which directly originate from Okinawa.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Funakoshi always state that his karate was DO and no Jutsu.He never Allowed free sparing and only train in kihon and kata.nothing practical as Oyama and everybody always said.learn history
acerwk 2 years ago
hironori ohtsuka was very good as well and makes good use of sparring because the founder was a juijutsu grandmaster
benwarmaster666 2 years ago
Yes Hironori Ohtsuka was the best and save Funakoshi when was asskicked from a regular student of Motobu
acerwk 2 years ago
@Gwisss this is just a showcase of a kihon, chill out retard
SonOfAsimov 1 month ago
kyokushin didn't materialize out of thin air. it's just karate, though mostly goju. The only difference was the training method, but its the same building blocks. also any fighter that knows how to defend from grapples, can beat any BBJ only fighter(Mostly)
GadGades 2 years ago
well we have karate and non practical karate (shotokan)
acerwk 2 years ago
well that isfair enough but he did say it was a form of self improvement
benwarmaster666 2 years ago
Accept most BJJ fighters beat Kyokunshinkai guys ALL THE TIME. MANY K.Karate guys tried fighting grapplers and all (many caught on video) lost. Kyokushinkai guys are very very very tough. But they're open to ALL take downs (from Judoka, BJJ, wrestlers, etc.). On the ground, unless they had supplemental training, they're useless.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
except thats not true. It´s not useless by any means. The only time it´d be useless would be if you were doing a competitive match, had someone not trained to be ready for it, and started the match close enough to tackle, but it couldn´t be too close. Honestly your exaggerating a lot. Theres really too much to touch on as to why you are wrong. I´d need to explain about four other topics to explain it all to you.
GadGades 2 years ago
Kyokunshinkai karate guys are some of the toughest martial artists in the world. One can't help but be in awe of their skill and spirit. Same with Shidokan fighter. Some with Muay Thai guys (more versatile - though many K karate guys compete in Muay Thai). But in one on one they usually lose against grapplers because grapplers always find a way to close the distance. I have yet to see ONE match where a pure striker avoided a take down.
MAfanatic 2 years ago
That isn´t a qualifier for usefulness. Nor has karate ever been a closed system.
GadGades 2 years ago
its been bothering me all day. I should have phrased it differently. That isn´t a disqualifier for usefulnes or that isn´t a qualifier for uselessness.
you keep thinking in terms of competition. and thats only a recent thing to happen in MA, at least with eastern systems. competition for the sake of itself. You have to take into account that no one is a full time athelete like competition professionals. And most people have to quit MA for years on end. which is why kata is good.
GadGades 2 years ago
I´ll say two more things. less than half of martial arts came from militaries, the larger part came from the military ones that were taught mostly to upper class people ect. this amounts to soldier, and policeman training by modern standards. that´s why karate is still useful. secondly, karate was always a rather patchwork system. Look at gosoku ryu, that has so many combinations and still counts as karate. Karate almost just amounted to fighting skills.
GadGades 2 years ago
most karate-ka, not sure what term to use, masters, great teachers, whatever, cross trained in various karate styles. most of the great teachers from japan did also, from judo to jujutsu to kendo ect. so by itself, karate is useful. and there´s nothing stopping someone, later on, trying something else.
GadGades 2 years ago
@MAfanatic "I have yet to see ONE match where a pure striker avoided a take down."
Really????
Youve never seen a sprawl and brawl fighter then. youve never seen Liddell, Quarry, CroCop, Vanderlai?? Rampage, Maurice Smith, Shonie? Think about that and reconsider your position, please.
violentbuddha 2 years ago
@MAfanatic Then check out Anderson Silva, Machida for example. To be a great fighter you must open up your mind to everything and take whats usefull for you. Saying a grappler is better than a striker or the other way around is little thinking.
minasz 1 year ago
grapplers always have the advantage but that´s not the full story. In the 20th century, striking competitions programmed competitors to fight a certain way. A karate ka without supplemental training can still do well. He´d only have to modify what´s already in the art. And only modify it slightly from its original source, but away from what point, and even contact competition does. Striking competitions are a lot like boxing. It restricts the fighters from using grabs, ect.
GadGades 2 years ago
a good example woud be Judo and BJJ. 80 percent the same art, simply modified. well, a ballpark figure to make the point. Also most people imagine Judo´s throws, which goes to show what competition training can do. Of course, judo still uses holds even in competition. so they didn´t suffer as big a loss.
GadGades 2 years ago
So the applications are tottaly different.
acerwk 2 years ago
wado ryu ist is intelligent ... Tai sabaki
mad1966dog 2 years ago
Is there free sparring in wado ryu?
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
Yes. Actually, I've read that Ohtsuka (founder of Wado) was first to introduce free sparring as a form of karate training in Japan.
ikokujin 3 years ago
But, how come there is no videos of free sparring on wado ryu?
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
I think Suzuki has some, but I don't have them. Can't find them on YouTube either.
ikokujin 3 years ago
Do you think Kyokushin is the best karate?
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
Best? For what purpose?
ikokujin 3 years ago
For my knowledge, Ashihara karate is the best, kyokushin karate is # 2, goju-ryu # 3. These three style are native from the same family and are just different evolution. You should exploire also the Nick Cerio kenpo. They four style are the best for self-defense in the street.
espaceautodefense 2 years ago
There is, but obviously you still need the form and control in order to perform well. Kihons show that ability in a "controlled" way, if you will.
ThePaladinGirl 3 years ago
Do, you think Wado Ryu is the weakest of all four tradicional styles?
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
Any style in any martial art can be "strong" or "weak" depending on the individual. For me, I do Wado Ryu and I have seen many students show that the style's strength relies on themselves. One may be good at fighting, but kata is weak and another vice-a-versa.
You also have to ask yourself why you do that martial art in the first place. Wado Ryu is not actively offensive, but it is highly defensive. Another style of karate might differ entirely, but this can't be called "weak" or "strong".
ThePaladinGirl 3 years ago
yeah that's pretty much it, a weak kyokushin guy will also be weak in any other karate ryu so that really depends on your own strength not the "effectiveness" of a martial art, it's really a matter of taste, kyokushin is like the hard way but in my opinion closest to the toughening your body spirit karate was made with, but also the least traditional (most of the clubs are more sports based) I do Goju Ryu and like it, it is relatively simple and effective - again the matter of taste
MutsuKazuma 2 years ago
codorra 2 years ago
this video is great, especaily to help me with my grading, never remove this video!
HybridKiwi 3 years ago 7
awesome....tnx for share...
NiGHTWALKERF 3 years ago
frank dux??? loooooooooooooooooooooooool wafo ruy forever!
valedeourem 3 years ago
This is very impressive, you can easily tell the defender is a master.
avenginguchiha 3 years ago 3
WTF?! those where 2 techniques, and even slow... are you kidding?
13375p34k0r 3 years ago
hes asian, what more u need to know
fatboyjim16 3 years ago
''Frank Dux'' ?Lol Lol Lol
acerwk 4 years ago
crap!
wanderer4x 2 years ago
You wish your gay-shotokan has this kind of techniques but its only ippon kumite-gohon kumite =attacks with oi-tsuki and counter gyaku tsuki.nothing more what a crap hahahah
acerwk 2 years ago
I wasn't calling this style crap, I was calling you crap!
wanderer4x 2 years ago
Get lost gay you and your Shotokan shit hahahaha
acerwk 2 years ago
troll.
wasssuuuppp420 2 years ago
I don't understand, what is the difference between Shotokan and what this guy is doing?
I can't see the origin of Shotokan being too far off from the origin of Wado-Ryu. They probably still have most of the same concepts in them somewhere. Unless you can prove to me what Wado has that Shotokan does not.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Wado is a mix of Jujitsu and okinawa karate.the Karate Ohtsuka learned from Mabuni and Motobu sensei.all what he learned from funakoshileft out of Wado because they didnt work
acerwk 2 years ago
The Karate Funakoshi taught was Okinawan karate and bears all the studies one can find in any other karate if you look at it properly. Even Shotokan Karate has much Jujitsu in it's katas. It seem crazy to state that "Shotokan is shit" when it teaches everything you might learn in another form of karate including judo or jujitsu.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Funakoshi wasnt master thats why he was ass kicked from Motobu regular student.Funakoshi knew only the basics thats why Ohtsuka left him and trained with Motobu and Mabuni
acerwk 2 years ago
What does this have to do with all the knowledge of practical fighting that can be found in shotokan? Funakoshi did not create all the katas of shotokan.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Funakoshi changed the moves from all katas(deeper stances etc)and all the practical items lost.
acerwk 2 years ago
I think you are simply being bias at this point. Can you elaborate on anything more then the deeper stances? Secondly, how are deeper stances in the least bit a hindrance of the practical use of the movements?
Gwisss 2 years ago
it was only an example.Shotokan doesnt have drills against attacks as lowkicks,takedowns,roundhouse punches etc.ippon/gohon kumite not enough
acerwk 2 years ago
I train in drills for low kicks, round punches, take downs, throws. It goes even further a deals in all the habitual acts of violence that occur in society.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Good for you but those drills are not in Shotokan syllabus as you know.maybe your Sensei recognize the problems of Shotokan material and add this drills
acerwk 2 years ago
Now you are making a statement about sport karate versus Karate. Of course sport karate is not practical. Many people join karate for SPORT, however, if you want to join karate for practical applications and drills, join a dojo that deals in that. There are many Shotokan Karate-jutsu schools you can go to that are JKA but teach drills and practical fighting.
Gwisss 2 years ago
JKA syllabus not include drills against takedowns/low kicks etc.only drills against oi-tsuki and mae geri
acerwk 2 years ago
Looks like these drills are performed for the sake of understanding then. Either way, the point you were making about Shotokan seems fairly ignorant and bias. Try to be open-minded about other martial art schools.
Gwisss 2 years ago
The other martial arts are ok.Shotokan is the problems because doesnt have anything practical to use in real fight
acerwk 2 years ago
Again, as I've stated. It does have practical combat in the core of it's studies. Do you think the multitude of Katas developed before Shotokan and currently found in Shotokan are completely void of practical combat? To think that this martial art is useless is to be utterly ignorant. It has Strikes, close combat, grabs, locks, throws, take downs, ground grappling and submissions/ breaks and chokes. These are all practical.
Gwisss 2 years ago
All the Katas before Shotokan are ok and very practical.Then Funakoshi change them and make them inpractical.
acerwk 2 years ago
So all the practical combat found in the Katas in your opinion is simply an illusions? Again, you are simply ignoring the facts. How are all of the katas rendered impractical because of "deeper stances"?
Gwisss 2 years ago
Funakoshi changed all the practiacl moves.look how are the kata in other styles.different moves.and again sohotkan doesnt have practical drills prepare you for real fight
acerwk 2 years ago
You need to try and argue one point at a time rather then jumping around failing miserably. How are the practical applications of the Shotokan Katas unpractical? How does the accent of a Kata change the core meaning? Again, there are Shotokan Karate schools that teach practical applications using Shotokan Karate as a basis for these Drills. How are you to disagree with fact?
Gwisss 2 years ago
1.Shotokan katas are changed kata and with not any practical moves.2.Shotokan doesnt have in syllabus/material drills against real attacks,only against oi/gyaku tsuki
acerwk 2 years ago
1. Shotokan Katas have not changed all that much. There are a myriad of practical applications found in each and every kata of Shotokan. One can learn effective striking(head, hands, elbows, knees, kicks and 'hidden' strikes) as well as throws, takedowns, grappling, submission/ breaks and locks. If these can be found in Shotokan, how can you be correct? You cannot be correct if these practical combat skills can be found in Shotokan, which they are.
Gwisss 2 years ago
try and see the bunkai Shotokan has.here in yt there is plenty of Shotokan master as nishiyama,nakayama,kanazawa etc.the bunkai they show sucks.defenses against oi-tsuki.yeah right!
acerwk 2 years ago
Again, you are mentioning sport karate defences and attacks. Sport Karate is developed from Shotokan, Shotokan is NOT developed from sport karate. The bunkai they show are sport karate interpretations. There are much more valid and much more practical bunkai in Shotokan.
Gwisss 2 years ago
im talking about the bunkai that Nakayama,Kanazawa,Nishiyama do in those videos on youtube.not the WKF team kata.
acerwk 2 years ago
I would like to know if you are saying that Wado Ryu and Shotokan have different uses for Katas like Chinto, Jihon, Jitte, Tekki, Enpi (Wado may have similar or different names for these kata)? For the most part, most of these bunkai are the same. The difference in accents of techniques may have very little effect on the bunkai, and what ever effect it may have would be only in how the bunkai is performed. Name for me a Kata that Shotokan and Wado have in common, and a bunkai to test similarity.
Gwisss 2 years ago
First of all Wado doesnt have Bunkai but Kaisetsu.tottally different aproach from the sugject.Second Ohtsuka (founder of Wado)learn the real applications of those Kata from Mabuni and motobu.not from Funakoshi with the limited Knowledge of Okinawa Karate
acerwk 2 years ago
im sorry ''for the subject''
acerwk 2 years ago
So, you do not study any of the Katas mentioned for their bunkai?
Gwisss 2 years ago
acerwk:
Keep the discussion clean. No point in calling other styles shit. By the way, are you saying that any change to a kata makes it useless? Do you think all the katas in any modern karate style look like they did hundreds of years ago when they came from China and other places?
ikokujin 2 years ago
Shotokan material/syllabus is not practical.look for example the Dan exams,man sucks big time.nothing practical there
acerwk 2 years ago
Gwisss:
To answer your question about the difference between Shotokan and Wado Ryu, Wado is influenced by Shindo Yoshin Ryu and added evasive body movement to the karate techniques. So while many of the techniques look the same, there's often a different philosophy behind them. Instead of absorbing the energy of your opponent, you let it pass. This is why Wado is less about hardening your body than some other styles.
ikokujin 2 years ago
Thanks Ikokujin. I do know the difference in the practiced form of these Karate 'styles'. However, what I was trying to explain to acerwk was that Shotokan and Wado Ryu despite how different their practice may be, the core meaning of their katas still remain very similar.
Acerwk insulted Shotokan, and when approached about his reasons for insulting Shotokan, he can only fallaciously avoid providing proper points.
Gwisss 2 years ago
That's true. Actually, the Wado kata draws very little (if anything) from the Shindo Yoshin side of things. I think partly because Ohtsuka didn't want to mess with them, and was himself in the process of learning them. He was a master of Shindo Yoshin to begin with, after all, not karate. As for acerwk, I know, I told him to behave as you can see further down the page.
ikokujin 2 years ago
I should add that with "draws very little from Shindo Yoshin", I mean in terms of actual techniques. However, they're still supposed to be performed in a relaxed manner as Wado teaches.
ikokujin 2 years ago
sorry for the Shit thing you are right
acerwk 2 years ago
Guys the application of Shotokan katas is different form Wado katas because Ohtsuka re-learned the katas in right way from Mabuni and Motobu that shows different applications that Funakoshi
acerwk 2 years ago
Maybe I view katas differently then you do Acerwk, this could be part of your confusion. For instance, to use a stance, as an example, which is common in most martial arts. Kiba Dachi or Horse Stance is a basic ground grappling guard. Whether it be Tekki in Wado or Tekki in Shotokan, these are Katas that can simulate ground grappling. How does the "deepness" of a stance or the accent of an arm movement change the core meaning of the kata? It does not in my understanding.
Gwisss 2 years ago
If you think you can learn ground fighitng from Shotokan katas try few lesson on BJJ and you will open your eyes!To understand how a simple change in a move change all meanining and practical of a Kata study deep the history and the development of Katas
acerwk 2 years ago
"If you think you can learn ground fighitng from Shotokan katas..."
Are you stating that ground grappling cannot be learned in Shotokan Katas? Or are you simply ignoring ANOTHER point again?
"To understand how a simple change in a move change all meanining and practical of a Kata."
The katas are the concept for the applications, the concepts are in every Kata. Of course the applications changes with each and every person who performs the application. Concept is still similar.
Gwisss 2 years ago
Good now go in any MMA -BJJ school and try your grappling that learn from Shotokan katas against them..that will be fun..for them...
acerwk 2 years ago
What is MMA? Where does MMA come from? What is it a mix of? How is a martial art a mix of something? You are sounding more and more stupid the more I talk to you.
Are you saying that all forms of Karate are utterly useless? It seems like you are NOW suggesting that Wado sucks, why not study MMA.
Gwisss 2 years ago
stupid you are if you think you can stand with shotokan against someone that knows the basic.maybe against a child or old man,as Oyama always said,shotokan MAYBE can serve
acerwk 2 years ago
Again you talking about MMA? Now everyboy knows Lyoto uses Shotokan and knock out opponents with your beloved oi-tsuki.
And as I said, no striker can stand against BJJ, doesnt matter if it's Shotokan or Muay Thai.
Rnt911 2 years ago
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You might be able to fight this scrawny Jackie Chan lookalike but you'd stand no chance against Frank Dux!
EdBarbanell 4 years ago
Hmm... idiocy. Who's that comment aimed at EdBar?
Agnostagan 4 years ago
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Have you never seen Bloodsport...?
You were probably too busy using your dole cheque as a cum rag.
EdBarbanell 3 years ago
Ugh... this kiddie sounds like a fanboy. Aye I saw that fillum, but I didn't let it fool me into thinking mr Dux is invincible. Come back when you're mature enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality.
Agnostagan 3 years ago 4
bloodsport? your comparing reality to a movie? fucking idiot, this guy would fuck you up in 3 seconds or less.
HybridKiwi 3 years ago 3
I have trained with the right guy!;).
Suzuki Sensei , best teacher ever;)
mfsweb 4 years ago 2
It's one thing to do at in the dojo, another to see them done properly. I'm damned glad my sensei told me to have a peek at these; gives me something to aim to.
Although it does gall me that I need 6 for my 1st Dan, whereas others need 2. Hmph. -_-
CailusGriffin 4 years ago
woah! todays version looks almost completely different =O
flogonash 4 years ago
Other than the feet placement, how is your different? The one we practice is very similar.
ikokujin 4 years ago
Great Video, The crispness of technique I have only seen with the Japanese. Europeans always seemed a bit wooden. I'm not saying I'm right but that's my experience.
I never learnt or was taught the meaning of the techniques. When fighting I just had to make it up as I went along. I think Karate training actually hindered my learning. I trust myself to make the best decisions as to training and not give my power to some Sensei who may or may not be a complete nutter.
Rgds Rob.
robboulter 4 years ago
of course in actual combat you should ALWAYStrust yourself to do what is natural and what feels right.
But following the discipline of traditional movements and katas is what makes it Martial ARTS, and also a kind of a sport...but the Kumite fighting and sparring is more the competition headto head.
But yes...when fighting for real...there is no style but your own.
hutch976 4 years ago 2
that is a great comment not many ever think that way. If you are still training you will go far.
Ikkotousen 4 years ago
thats a really good backround music..i guess nobody knows da name right?
radizero 4 years ago
it's meant to be choreographed you cock. it's Kihon Kumite!
andylo309 4 years ago
ikokujin - Wah! I was advised so long ago -I forget- to study Wado Ryu. You've reminded me with these videos and given a glimpse. Domo Arigato Gozaimasu. PS More Onegaishimasu.
kruzenby 4 years ago 2
I went to a few classes with Suzuki Sensei about 40 years ago. He was amazingly fast.
whealthinc 4 years ago
I believe you. =) I've never met him myself, unfortunately. He actually visited our club at one point, but that was before I started with wado ryu.
ikokujin 4 years ago
Fantastic!!! The speed & Technique is awesome..To bad that only Japanese instructors can make it look like this...
kaarte4life 4 years ago
I can certify that Japanese instructors do not have the monopoly of speed and technique of kihons!!!
ArnaudBi 4 years ago
thanks for up.you rock!!
rockinpogorosi234342 4 years ago
Thanks for watching!
ikokujin 4 years ago
We do traditional wado ryu. and yeah i know what you mean about kihons getting boring, we don't do them very often because i think you only need to learn 2 for a 1st dan.
Thidarat01424 4 years ago
I stopped teaching Kihons at my Dojo, as people were getting bored with them, after studying them more indepth and finding the applications ive began teaching them again, thanx for the vids, Sensei Suzuki amazes me.
tandoorio 4 years ago
You're welcome. Although, you can hardly call it wado ryu if you don't teach kihon kumite. Excluding those seems like a very bad idea if you claim to teach traditional wado.
ikokujin 4 years ago
Getting bored with training? There's something very wrong with your students and the cause of this is, of course, in the instructor; if they're bored they should quit or fix their motivation, assuming that they're doing neither, one can draw the conclusion that you aren't making clear to them what a budo attitude is all about.
Jzmi 4 years ago
the boredom factor came about from our previous instructor, (ive since split from and set up on my own)he never taught the reason behind Kihon Kumite, they were all very boring lessons with no conclusion or answer to the techniques, that said i have began teaching Kihon Kumite to my students with the "Bunkai" i had to get to understand them before i teach them, my students now understand there relevence, and therefore enjoy Kihon lessons
tandoorio 4 years ago
Bunkai? Wado has no bunkai. Bunkai is fixed. Wado only has kaisetsu witch means explanation. Kihon gumite should not be practised with any bunkai. It should be studied the way it is. >>
WadoAJ 4 years ago
There are some additionals with are called "ura waza". Its like the inside out or 'negative' from kihon gumite. But hardly no one knows that properly. Just practise the kihon gumite very hard, very hard! Then, we you begin to understand the different objectives in all 10 kihon gumite, it might be time to practise some henka waza (additionals)
WadoAJ 4 years ago
Now I am just practicing this kihon kumite-1.
Mone55 5 years ago
Thank you for the upload of how Wado RYU is properly done. Thanks
stryfe1986 5 years ago
Yes, Suzuki is great. Thanks for reminding me, I'll upload a couple more now. =)
ikokujin 5 years ago