Good points but why use the new living "translation" to underscore your points? That paraphrase attributes many things to God that He never said. I hope you will reconsider using that ridiculous and dangerous paraphrase.
The Jewish Shema Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." There's never been two or three equal gods. The old testament Jews only knew One God. Jesus was that God manifested in the flesh. (Isa 9:6) and who are you to say he was not the great "I Am." You adopted a Catholic concept meant to appease pagans and win them over to Christianity. It's called the trinity (Babylon had three gods in one exactly like your tri-unity (trias) of gods. Encyclopedias attest to that. Your Catholic!
No where in the Scriptures does Jesus say He was His own father! Nor do it say in them there's a trinity. But He alone has ALL POWER. (Matthew 28:18 Jesus said that He alone held all power in heaven or in earth). Paul wrote that in Christ is all wisdom. 1 Cor 1:24 ..Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." Jude agreed that Jesus was..."To the only wise God our Saviour.." Jude verse 25. I John 5:7 says three that bear record.. father, word (and not son) and H.G. are one and the self-same!
and @acts2and38ministries: When you two are finished "straining gnats and swallowing camels," try telling people about your gospel the way Frances of Assisi advised:
@IDH77 Sorry, it's obvious that you haven't checked any further than Strong's. (Strong's concordance is not the last word on bible translations). Google "Comma Johanneum" to find that most bib scholars agree that this was a 3rd/4th century "gloss," and is not found in the original manuscripts.
"Arianism is Scripture twisting." Agreed, and so was Athanasius' explanation of the trinity. Both did it. Again, read John 17 (honestly) and then tell me what "being one" means in that.
John Haggee is way of base when he said that Christ didn't come to this planet to be the Messiah. He knew that His crucifixion was getting ready to befall Him and He said
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
He acknowledged that Peter was right in calling Jesus the Christ (Messiah). A woman talked about the Messiah, and Christ said that the One she spoke of was He.
@j4270108 RIGHT ON BROTHER, this just goes to show how off base these "self-called-bible teachers can be. All a teacher needs is a bunch of stupid, non confirming, lazy humans to follow them & they start writing doctrinally wrong books. Thanks for your input GOD BLESS
So according YOU Peter who baptized only in Jesus' name did it wrong! Matthew who wrote the supposed trinity phrase assissted him in Acts 2:38-42 baptizing everyone in that singular name was wrong also. Luke was there and he baptized into Jesus' name. Paul who was alater convert did it wrong when he was baptized into Jesus' name and baptized others that way. (Acts 2:38-22:16) Eph 2:20 said the church was built on the apostles and Jesus. But not your pagan trinity church. Are you all Catholics?
@acts2and38ministries So were to IGNORE what JESUS said about using the term "baptizing in the name of the FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT" in Matt 28:19 ? How do you know that the Name of Jesus was only emphasized MORE in the verses you speak of, as the Name of JESUS is above all names? No matter what Matt 28:19 still holds water, as it were. It can't be WRONG TO USE THIS FORMULA and besides, Baptism DOES NOT SAVE, no matter what you say.
@MPPFLIPPI agree with you about baptism.Cults such as the Coc and the Oneness Pentecostals get bugeyed about saying that baptism is part of the Gospel.Paul clearly said that he was sent not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. Paul was all about getting people saved, and if it were necessary for salvation, he would have done more than he said he did. Cornelious was given the Holy Spirit,and was not baptized. These guys are eat up with arguments with each other.They should preach Jesus together.
SO BY TAKING ONE SCRIPTURE (INSTEAD OF TWO OR THREE AS TOLD BY MOSES AND THE APOSTLE PAUL WHO BAPTIZED ALL BELIEVERS IN JESUS' NAME - UNLIKE YOU -) YOU MAKE A TRINITY BY WRESTLING ONE SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT! That's no different then the Pharisees who made the word of God to no effect or powerless by their traditions. Jesus rebuked them and I you In lovely name to be used for everything to include your baptism. Your just a heathen disguised as a Christian to take away your reproach. Ok wolfman!
@acts2and38ministries The reality is that Oneness people DISOBEY Jesus Christ’s express command to baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit!
Matthew 28:19 is a clear description of the very Trinity true Christians have always been baptized into.
The Didache says: Now concerning baptism, baptize as follows: after you have reviewed" all these things, baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mat_28:19) in running water.
@IDH77 Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday and today and forever.
He still is a man, he still is a prophet, still a servant, and he was glorified by GOD his Father, who he prayed to, and taught his disciples to pray to.
He called himself 'son of man' the same name as every other prophet.
Time and again GOD puts to death the trinity.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man
@GeorgeRaymondMusic I've done many years ago asked GOD to show me the truth and HE did, I found all the verse that address the FATHER, the SON - JESUS & the HOLY SPIRIT and guess what ALL 3 are addressed in the BIBLE as 1 doing, 2 saying, 3 listening, 4 forgiving, 5 healing, 6 raising the dead, 7 Raising JESUS' BODY,8 talking, 9 hearing, 10 being lied to, 11 choosing, and many more that only a person can do, so I saw that GOD wanted me to KNOW that GOD IS A TRINITY BEING(s) .
Your false trinity shows your ignorance. "Your Straw Man question shows your Ignorance. There is no 1 verse, why would there be?" Jesus said that man shall live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. HERE YOU ADMIT TO THE TRTH. THE TRINITY IS NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES! FALSE PROPHET ALERT!
@acts2and38ministries You must either close your eyes to all the verse that address the 3 distinct beings of the GODHEAD or you are just a stubborn, stiff-neck fool to not see spelled out in the various verses of the Bible that there is a 3 in 1 BEING who made us. ( LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE) ( LET US GO DOWN & CONFUSE THEIR SPEACH) Sounds like more than 2 to me. U need to take each action GOD does and find all the other beings doing the same actions in the Bible and see what it shows you
So were you baptized into the trinity and by what organization is the next topic to talk about. Please respond instead of speaking vain bablings of how there's a mysterious (work of iniquity) trinity that's nowhere in any name or form taught by Jesus or the Apostles by whom the early church was made (Ephesians 2:20). Jesus and the apostles are the foundation of the church. They baptized into the name of Jesus. But how were you baptized and by what organization is the question. Please answer...
We already moved on to the topic of baptism since the word trinity is not in the Scriptures. For the record Peter and the 119 with him all baptized everybody in the only saving name of Jesus. Acts 2:38. Peter said to THEM, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS Christ for the remission (forgiveness) of sins.." What did these true believers do? Acts 2:41 they that GLADLY received HIS WORD WERE BAPTIZED: and the same day there were ADDED TO THEM about 3,000 thousand SOULS.
Show me where a trinity without doubt can be proved. Because again, you have no evidence. I am a human and we all consist of body, soul and spirit. You do not say Hello, spirit. Or hello soul of man. You say hello to the entire person. Are you a trinity? Matthew 28:18 is a scripture that Just said Jesus had all power in earth and in heaven. The Apostles understood this as they all baptized into His name. Why do you and your church accept anti-Christian baptisms into the pagan titles of God?
@acts2and38ministries A lame Straw man example. I can say to YOU in person as I talk, "what does your spirit say when I ask you this" -- Now, I am speaking to your body, but appealing to your spirit, I do not need to always address all three parts of your being each time I talk to you. Don't be absurd. Again U need to search the Bible on the Actions of the 3 who all do, say, feel, act, forgive, raise the dead, raise the body of Jesus, are lied to, are give thanks to, etc. All 3 are acted on .
Again, the Matthew 28;19 does not prove a trinity. Jesus was called the Prince of peace, Everlasting Father, ect but those are titles (Isa 9:6). Matthew 28 speaks of a "baptism in the name of" and nothing about the Godhead. All the Apostles disobeyed this one Scripture then that seemingly says in the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Ghost. The apsotles to include Paul (who had a speacil revelation see His story in Acts 22) all baptized in Jesus' name. Read Acts 2:38-22:16.
Where in the word of God is there a trinity? Please show me where there's a verse that says God is three distinct persons as per the councils of 325 and 381 say there are. Again show me in the Scriptures one verse that says God is a tri-unity (Trias). Show me or remain silent in your non-scriptural attacks against real Christians who hold to sola scriptura as did Jesus (Matt 4:4). I will await that exact Scripture verse that proves a trinity without any doubt.
@acts2and38ministries Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Trinity is clearly set before you in that verse! The fact that you are so muddle-headed that you think someone can be his own Father is not my fault!
Btw Cyprian quoted 1John 5:7 in the 3rd century as Scripture
...the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
@IDH77 Sorry, the translation in modern English is, "these three are in agreement," not "these three are one." And the meaning of being "one" is made understandable in John 17. Too bad, though: it does not sustain the Trinity as described by the Nicene or Athanasian creeds. Acts2and38ministries is correct, the Trinity is not a doctrine sustained by the old or new testaments.
@Xenophile665 Sorry but it’s obvious that you’ve never bothered checking the Greek for yourself using Strong’s Concordance. The word ‘one’ is ‘heis’ or the numeral 1. It’s NEVER translated as ‘agree’.
The Trinity is definitely in the Bible as that is how I came to believe in it. Oneness is theological confusion and Arianism is pure Scripture twisting.
@Xenophile665 Perhaps YouTube made him do that as YouTube is notorious to not functioning right and making the person feel their comment did not post. It has happen to me many times. You need to consider the tools we are using, or may be THE 3 - 1 MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR A PURPOSE. ja ja ja.
@IDH77 GOOD WORK BROTHER, I fear these oneness folks are just plain blind and scripture Twisting stiff-necked fools. their heart needs to be opened by more power than we have & satan has blinded their eyes of understanding to GODS TRUTHS. But, I enjoy reading your answers. GOD BLESS ( ALL THREE of THEM who is our GOD)
@acts2and38ministries Your Straw Man question shows your Ignorance. There is no 1 verse, why would there be? The Trinity is seen by looking at the various verses where 3 different individuals all either create, do or say or forgive or heal or show or proclaim or listen or are lied to or are sadden, all doing the same thing that only the 1 GOD can do. All 3 are referenced separably doing the same thing that only GOD does. All 3 R the same GOD as there is only 1 GOD but 3 doing the same things
@acts2and38ministries Try looking up who raised Jesus from the dead, all 3 did, or who heals, all 3 do, or look up who creates, all 3 do, or who judges man, all 3 do, or who forgives, all 3 do, I could go & on but U get the picture, now do some home work using a Concordance & Teach yourself some Truth.The Trinity was recognized by the early Church Fathers & all who accept the Bible literally as GOD intended it to be understood. I could give U the verses but they will MEAN MORE if U find them 1st
@MPPFLIPP Actually, the Trinity was voted into orthodoxy by a majority of the early church fathers. The ones who disagreed were then labelled heretics by the majority.
I find it odd that an all-powerful god couldn't just tell them all which doctrine was right; instead, they had to take a vote on it.
@Xenophile665 The GENUINE history is that the majority of bishops ALREADY believed in the Trinity because it was in the Bible and the debate was about Arianism (Jesus was a created god).
The truth is that Constantine didn’t get his own way because he favoured Arianism and was eventually baptized by an Arian bishop.
Try reading some history books. I recommend the Lion book ‘The History of Christianity’ as a good starter.
@IDH77 "The Trinity is most definitely in the Bible and is completely revealed in the NT." No, it isn't. You need to re-read chapter 17 of the gospel according to John. Then tell me what is meant by the apostles being "as one," according to what you've read.
The Pharisees (Jewish priests) did NOT like Jesus. They denied Him and hated Him. Jesus fulfilled all prophecies concerning the Messiah. So what don't these famous preachers/teachers understand. In seeing they are blind and in hearing they are deaf (spiritually speaking)... Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE LIVING GOD. He is the Messiah in the Flesh. Come to restore the very Word of God to all flesh. Because we are fleshly beings and we need some FLESH (Jesus Christ) to get us to understand!
I met John Hagee. He is a short guy. I have never before heard him say those things before. I guess when you do things for the wrong reasons, God does NOT bless you but when you leave God and leave doing His service, you are able to be overtaken by the Devil.
Jesus is the Messiah. He is Christ. Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Sure, after that we have been given the Holy Spirit, we then have the power to become the sons of God, NOT the ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS of God.
My friend you are unlearned! You must study to show yourself approved unto God. Just because your church teaches a trinity does not make Scriptural truth. The Pharisees added many things that took away from the power of God and It's effectiveness! Jesus alone has all power (Matt 28:18). So the other two gods are powerless! He alone is wise & power filled. (1 Cor 1 23-24) So the supposed others must not be! In Tertullian's letter to Praxeus (busybody), he says Oneness are the many in 200 AD!
@acts2and38ministries I like to THINK of you as Gnostic's gone astray into even worse Doctrines. The early Church did not make up the Trinity, they only CODIFIED it to make it more Clearer for those less learned in their day, remember most people did not go to school then. The Fathers made it a clear doctrine in the Creeds so all had no excuse to say they never knew the Truth. Your just part of the Bad apples still around rotting from those days of Gnostic & Arian scripture Twisting. satan works
@acts2and38ministries How ODD IT IS that the GNOSTICS & THE ARIANS came from EGYPT, Alexandria to be specific, which is were GOD TYPICALLY speaks of as the WORLD & it's Sin & Rebellion. GOD told the Israelites to come out of Egypt. Egypt is always where the most foul and false Religions came from.
So, it is no difference with the Arian heresies that you hold dear and sadly to your own self destruction
God is a spirit (John 4:24-singular). History proves that the trinity was invented by MEN. Until Tertullian (200) and Origen (220) nobody heard of a trias (trinity). They borrowed it from Greek pagans (Plato's work of Timaeus - was Tertullian's plagerism)! The Catholics plainly admit that in 325 they made it, Gregory of Nyssa said on it's making "On thinking upon the trinity, they came upon it!" Invention! It's a non-scriptural philosophy, not found in it! God has many manifestations yet is One!
"I also believe that Jesus is God in the flesh what I don’t believe is that he is his own Father. That’s not theology but confusion!" Response:Jo 10:30 I and my Father are (God) One! Col 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition (the trinity) of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
@acts2and38ministries Jesus is not His own father and no one said this, except oneness people. The Father is the part of GOD that remained in heaven while Jesus gave up His godly powers to become a man *Phil 2:5-8) so while on earth he could pray to the Father as a Human Being showing GOD THE FATHER as HIS GOD, as a human. The Father gave JESUS back all HIS GODLY POWERS IN REV 1:1 for starters. All the things JESUS did on earth was done in the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Jesus revealed the FATHER
Reply to Baptism comes AFTER salvation not before. You have to believe before you can be baptised. Mat 28:19 & Mark 16:16. I agree that one must believe before they are baptized as per Mark 16:15-17; Luke 24:45-47; Acts 2:21-38; 8:12-40; 10:36-48, 18:8, 19:5, 22:16, Gal 3:26-28, Rom 6:4, ect! Jesus (Heb 4:15; Matt 3:12-17; Mark 1:9) was baptized and then the Holy Ghost came upon Him, and not before. Therefore we obtain it in like manner! Romans 6 says we arise again in His spirit!Trust & obey it
The Jews believed in one God then (Shema Deut 6:4) and do now! Jesus was God in the flesh. Nowhere is the word trinity in the word of God. It's the broad path that leads to destruction. Many people will say that they used the name of the Lord (which is Jesus- Col 3:17; Matt 28:18; 1 Cor 1:24; Acts 2:38; 4:12; 10:36; Col 2:8-10; Phil 2:8-10; ect, ect.) in casting demons out, healing and in miracles. But they never (these trinitarians) used it in their baptism by belief (Mark 16:16; Matt 7:21-23)!
The trinity came from babylon. Trinity in the new testament churches either began by Tertullian in 200 AD (Stolen from pagan Plato's novel Timaues) or Origen in 220 AD (another introducer of paganistic infant baptism ideas as well). The Catholic plainly admit that the trinity was invented by Gregory of Nyssa. "In thinking upon the trinity, they came upon the trinity." Any Catholic Encyclopedia will reveal the truth about the Trinity -adopted in 325 and further revised in 381 it's not Scriptural!
IT is time TO RUN TO THE FEET OF THE CROSS AND MOAN FOR PARDON, WE NEED TO RETURN TO THE SIMPLICITY OF THE CROSS, NEED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL? JESUS CHRIST MEETS AS HERALD ON POWER RESTING IN? THE ETERNAL GRACE THAT? IT COMES FROM THE GOD'S THRONE. SEE THIS VIDEO:
I just broke down in tears at this vileness. I cannot believe that these heretics actually believe that WE WEAK HUMAN BEINGS have to give GOD THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH permission FOR HIM TO WORK IN OUR LIVES! HE IS LORD OF EVERYTHING. HE CONTROLS EVERY LITTLE LAST DETAIL OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. WE ARE MERE WORMS IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD. SAVED BY HIS GRACE, NOT OUR OWN WORKS!
To all who denies the glorious doctrine of the Trinity, and for those whose members of the unitarian pentecostal cult that denies as well the finished work of the Lord Jesus at the Cross and even denies His saving grace through faith alone! Well, God has something for you on the judgment day, HELL! Stop denying all those things I have mentioned, nevertheless, if you're saved repent and get right with God! We must rightly divide the word of truth!
xiaolong143-There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD repent
xiaolong143-There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD REPENT
@xiaolong143 My, what a Christian thing to do, threaten people with HELL when they disagree with you. If this soi disant judgment day is going to be bad for Arians and unitarian pentecostals, imagine how bad it's going to be for hypocrites!
hagee thinks the jews will have a final hour after a rapture ? he is a scholar? dont think so! they hour was first when jesus came on the scene and now is the hour and then the final coming ! there is no special hour for any race or tribe after this hour1 its over
@frenchis19 its finished finished finished : try resurrecting the real jesus this time !!!!!!!!!!!! no RACE GETS A SECOND CHANCE! WHENJESUS CAME HE CAME FIRST TO THE JEW AND THEN DOOR WAS OPEN FOR ALL : JESUS DOES NOT START IN THE FLESH " jew " AND GO TO SPIRIT" JESUS RESURRECTION" then revert back to some fleshly tribe !!! YOUR READ ALL DAY AND MISS THE FACTS SO ITS WORTHLESS FOR YOU TO READ ANYTHING! YOURE SIMPLY STUPID SCRIBES! YOU PEOPLE MAKE UP SO MUCH GARBAGE AND BELIEVE IT!
@frenchis19 Anyone who is still alove after the rapture, if it mid or pretrib, will be able to listen to the two witnesses and many, many jews and gentiles will come to faith in Christ at that time. I reject Mr. HAgee's views on Jesus not coming to be the messiah, and I really don't know what is in his book, don't care really, but everyone alive when the two witnesses arrive on the scene in Jerusalem, will still be able to be save.
@yeshualovesme1 first off the 2 witnesses are 1. jews born again 2. gentiles born again and after jesus come and steps out of the mediator place there will be no one saved after that point: so this rapture that these false preachers are speaking of is not in the bible : the only time jesus returns is at the end and it is called the 2nd coming:jesus did not hit of a secret return then an open return when he spoke to his disciples: so i have no idea who listens to them: jesus only
@yeshualovesme1 i dont listen but i observe and listen to the words they speak and the motives behind it: money money money and followers followers followers because they mean more money! ; some of the things they say are absolutely embarrassing to hear: and to say " EVERYONE STAND IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD!" that building isnt the house of the lord if they read acts 17!!! they read what they want only
@yeshualovesme1 no just as i dont think believe 144000 is an actual number: 144000 means all israel will be saved 12 tribes and 12 of each tribe comes to 144000 : nor do i believe 1000 years is actual 1000 yers but means eternity : hebrew didnt have a word for eternity to they used their largest number:
@frenchis19 Where I agree with you on the 144G, I have to disagree with you on the "Hebrew/eternity" thing. One only has to read the account of Sodom and Gomorah to see that Hebrew does have a word that is at least loosely associated with the concept of "eternity."
@yeshualovesme1 well i dont argue over doctrine other then jesus alone is the way : i have been called to bring the bride of christ to the original worship and dedication to the lord : there are many false and bodies of the bride who have lost their way because of people like tbn
we have these idots that cannot understand jesus words because they have not his spirit: jesus IS THE ONLY SON BEGOTTEN OF GOD ! we are adopted sons of god ! WE ARE ALSO NOT LITTLE GODS ! HOW MANY PEOPLE HEAR THIS AND HAGEE CLAIMS JESUS DIDNT COME TO BE A MASSIAH! FOOLS !
Listen to William Branham He is called by God as Philip said Nathanael I say unto you come see for yourself William Branham is the end time prophet in Malachi 4:5-6 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
@IDH77 No you are false Mark 3:23-24 How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
You make clams but have no proof He said that Father Son and Holy Ghost was the the same person which is true He never say anything wrong and I say that boldly
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way: When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit
so then the Father and the Holy Spirit is the same person.
I have a video called Is God Three persons? you can watch it
Jesus was saying baptizing them in the name that that belongs to these three titles which is Jesus that means that all three are one not three different people
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
@prittydeb There is only one God but 3 persons, how else can Jesus say that the Father is greater than I. John 14:28
The one name in Matthew 28 is YAHWEH not Jesus!
They're not all called Jesus! The term Father in Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t mean he's God the Father but the first one in eternity just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are.
@IDH77 The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
IDH77- I know that the false & PAGAN TRINITY Doctrine teaches that there are 3 GODS in Heaven this is a fact. I understand that however you must read what JESUS said who he is whenever asked here read it for yourself John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. So i ask you now why the CONTRADICTIONS in John 3:16 he is the so called son of god and in John Chap 14:9 Jesus tells Phillip that HE is the ONLY GOD hmm.
@ItsTimeNow4u John 14:9 Jesus is not saying He IS the Father but that the Father is IN Him!
That is talking about the hypostatic union not the ridiculous idea that Jesus is his own Father. That’s the kind of ridiculous question that I get asked by JW’s!
So the only contradiction is in your theologically confused mind!
IDH77- Do U even know from WHERE n WHEN we got our modern Bible from N WHO wrote it. They still claim to have translated it from GREEK to the ENGLISH language N english we got from ancient latin. The New Testament was written in GREEK n the Old in Hebrew. This so called bible translation did not start in 1611 rather in 321 to 325 AD at the Pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea Ordered by Roman Emperor Constantine HE was the 1st POPE. The bible was corrupted by the false Catholic Church.
IDH77-Ever since the pagan N false Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321 to 325 AD the bible has been corrupted with many false teachings. The main 1 being the false pagan TRINITY Doctrine found mostly in the New Testament NOT the Old Testament. The so called Bible translators in 321 to 325 AD were UNIVERSALISTS which means CATHOLIC they were pagans ok its true N historically accurate. So they had a hidden agenda already to infuse the bible with many false teachings like the TRINITY.
IDH77-The men at the Council of Nicea were Catholics N Catholics are pagans this is a historical fact. It was the the Roman Emperor Constantine who was not only the 1st Pope but the one who put it all together. At the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea from 321 to 325 AD which today is in modern day Turkey is where the modern Bible got created its that simple N a historical fact. This is where many parts of the New Testament ONLY got corrrupted with the pagan N false Trinity Doctrine.
IDH77- The Trinity Doctrine is a pagan false teaching put in many parts of the New Testament by the false Catholic pagan Church ever since 321 to 325 AD at the Council of Nicea. This is why there is no Father Son of God N Holy spirit in the Old Testament ONLY the New Testament. The teaching of 3 GODS controling the Universe is a pagan N its a unbiblical teaching something the 1 true GOD always punished the ancient Israelites for doing so then how is the Trinity a true N proper teaching
@ItsTimeNow4u Like it or not the Trinity is what the New Testament teaches! I suppose you are coming from the perspective of Islam?
The OT DOES teach that God has a Son!
(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
IDH77- You cannot read ISAIAH 9:6 without reading ISAIAH CHAPTER 11 because its the same person its not JESUS n ISAIAH CHAPTER 11 has not happened yet so then how is Jesus the MESSIAH to come spoken of in ISAIAH 9:6. He JESUS is not the Messiah nor did he ever claim to be the Messiah. There should be peace on this earth TODAY if Jesus was the Messiah 2000 years spoken of in ISAIAH 9:6 N CHAPTER 11 yet Jesus said "i come NOT to bring PEACE but a SWORD" so much for the PRINCE of PEACE.
IDH77- The person God Allmighty spoke of in Isaiah Chapter 11, Isaiah Chapter 9 verses 1 to 9 is the Messiah who has come. He is a man he is not Allmighty God although God sent him to prepare this planet for his coming back. This man is also mentioned by Moses in Deut Chap 18, Genesis Chap 49 N by King David himself in Psamls Chapter 110 verses 1 to 10. In Matthew Chap 24, Luke Chap 21 Jesus calls him the Son of Man well this person God has already sent in this world as of JAN 2011.
IDH77- There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD. This a all fact.
IDH77- YOU SAID- "John 14:9 Jesus is not saying He IS the Father but that the Father is IN Him!" So now you dont speak N understand the English language. This is exactly what Jesus is telling Phillip that HE alone is the FATHER N that there is no other GOD above himself. We can clearly see this to be a Biblical fact when reading REVELATION Chapter 20:11. There R no 3 THRONES in HEAVEN only 1 and it saids JESUS is sitting on it ALL by himself read it for yourself. The TRINITY is false.
@IDH77 PT3 If there is only one god and he is the Father then why did Thomas said to Jesus , "My Lord and my God!" and Jesus reply "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:28-29
THAT means Thomas was right when he called Lord and God About John 14:28 watch my video called God it is short
@IDH77 PT2 YOU SAID "Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t mean he's God the Father but the first one in eternity just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are." BUT THAT DOSE NOT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE because the word eternity means infinite time; duration without beginning or end.
@IDH77 PT1 Haha you just prove yourself wrong because you said that "The one name in Matthew 28 is YAHWEH not Jesus!" Right so then you are saying that Father Son and Holy Spirit are all the same person and his name is YAHWEH SEE when your foundation is not build on God's word it will fall
Matthew 28:19 baptizing them in the name [NOTE HE SAID NAME NOT NAMES] of the Father, and of the Son,and of the Holy Spirit:
What name did Paul baptized in Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
What did Peter did Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
@IDH77 To blasphemy against Holy Spirit is the only unforgivably sin Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
IDH77-I agree John Hagee N TBN are FALSE along with so many others too many to name here. However GOD does not call Satan the tree of Knowledge of Good N Evil for nothing which means there R times Satan does tell the truth for personal gain of course. Such is the case here the TRINITY DOCTRINE is a false teaching N was added in many parts of the New Testament ONLY by the false pagan Catholic Church ever since 321 AD at the Council of Nicea which is in modern day turkey. Want more let me know.
I agree. TBN has interesting things, but I never agreed with everything they've endorsed. If you have not heard Pastor Joseph Prince I highly recommend his teachings. Been following him a few years now & has never left me confused. God has really blessed this pastor to preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (God's ONLY begotten Son)
EVERYonehasastory- The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
( You're blocked! ) does this give you a power rush ? BLOCKING PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH YOU !! ( NICE JOB OF TWISTING GODS WORD TO SERVE YOUR PURPOSE ) BUT YOU ARE ONLY FOOLING THE UN LEARNERD PEOPLE !!!
This is not true! Someone edited this film to make it sound like they are saying these things you think they are saying. Shame on you. grow up and stop twisting things around to manipulate others just because you don't like these people. You must be in the same class as the Pastor who said that Billy Grahm is of the devil. It seams to me you are the false teacher here. Now knock it off I'm sick of this and you and your lies! Be gone with you and your corupted youtube chanel and videos!
@MrDrummerdude7 The fact is that the word Faith Movement teaches false doctrine such as men are little gods and that you can command money to come to you.
The funny thing is that it only seems to work for the people at the top of this spiritual ponzi scheme!
Tell me all you word of doubters, how do u explain this, I am a tither, i sow seed as it is written in the WORD to do...Since doing this I become very blessed and able to give more, as i increase!!!...I am so over your type who are so tight that you have problems putting your hand in your pocket...The bible says the LIBERAL SOUL WILL BE MADE RICH!!! GET OVER IT...WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED YOU CANNOT CURSE...
@favouredsuzy what you say is true. sow sparingly and reap the same! if that's what you want! sow to the spirit and you reap to everlasting life and the fruit of righteousness is increased, if that's what you want! God will give you back money for money in a "old covenant relationship! he does that to the heathen too! the sow and increase in money! ever wonder about that sir?
@favouredsuzy this isnt about tithing only, did you hear hwat these men were saying? They sounded like mormons to me. "we are gods, Jesus isnt the only begotten son, only if we give God permission" etc deceptions, lies and millions are watching.
@shvibzik123 Well Jesus is not the so called Son of God read your bible first rather then just listen to false preachers who themselfs listen to other false preachers. The blind leding the bilnd thats whats going on here.
@shvibzik123 He said Jesus is not the Only begotten son of God-the bible says "he is" we are all his children we have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry- Abba Father. Check your bible concordance-look for the words begotten and abba-father, you'll see God bless...
@shvibzik123 The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
But how many sodomites can dance on the head of a pin? I would bet 10 billion at least.
Darrylizer1 1 hour ago
Good points but why use the new living "translation" to underscore your points? That paraphrase attributes many things to God that He never said. I hope you will reconsider using that ridiculous and dangerous paraphrase.
GodsMan500 4 hours ago
The Jewish Shema Deut 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." There's never been two or three equal gods. The old testament Jews only knew One God. Jesus was that God manifested in the flesh. (Isa 9:6) and who are you to say he was not the great "I Am." You adopted a Catholic concept meant to appease pagans and win them over to Christianity. It's called the trinity (Babylon had three gods in one exactly like your tri-unity (trias) of gods. Encyclopedias attest to that. Your Catholic!
acts2and38ministries 7 hours ago
No where in the Scriptures does Jesus say He was His own father! Nor do it say in them there's a trinity. But He alone has ALL POWER. (Matthew 28:18 Jesus said that He alone held all power in heaven or in earth). Paul wrote that in Christ is all wisdom. 1 Cor 1:24 ..Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." Jude agreed that Jesus was..."To the only wise God our Saviour.." Jude verse 25. I John 5:7 says three that bear record.. father, word (and not son) and H.G. are one and the self-same!
acts2and38ministries 8 hours ago
and @acts2and38ministries: When you two are finished "straining gnats and swallowing camels," try telling people about your gospel the way Frances of Assisi advised:
"Preach the Gospel. If necessary, use words."
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
@IDH77 Sorry, it's obvious that you haven't checked any further than Strong's. (Strong's concordance is not the last word on bible translations). Google "Comma Johanneum" to find that most bib scholars agree that this was a 3rd/4th century "gloss," and is not found in the original manuscripts.
"Arianism is Scripture twisting." Agreed, and so was Athanasius' explanation of the trinity. Both did it. Again, read John 17 (honestly) and then tell me what "being one" means in that.
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
@Xenophile665 CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT!
Being One is not the same in John 17 as in 1 John 5:7!
One is unity through the indwelling Holy Spirit and the other is substance and nature.
IDH77 14 hours ago
@IDH77 What verses establish that the context is different? None that I see.
Jesus asks that the disciples be made one in the same way that he and his father are one. How is that taken out of context?
Xenophile665 12 hours ago
@Xenophile665 If you are saying they are the same then you must believe that Christians become God or at the least gods!
1John 5:7 says that all three are God and are part of the same nature and Godhead.
John 17 says that Christians are as Peter put it ‘partakers of the divine nature’ (2Pet 1:4) but not divine in themselves.
So totally different context!
IDH77 10 hours ago
John Haggee is way of base when he said that Christ didn't come to this planet to be the Messiah. He knew that His crucifixion was getting ready to befall Him and He said
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
He acknowledged that Peter was right in calling Jesus the Christ (Messiah). A woman talked about the Messiah, and Christ said that the One she spoke of was He.
j4270108 2 days ago
@j4270108 RIGHT ON BROTHER, this just goes to show how off base these "self-called-bible teachers can be. All a teacher needs is a bunch of stupid, non confirming, lazy humans to follow them & they start writing doctrinally wrong books. Thanks for your input GOD BLESS
MPPFLIPP 13 hours ago
So according YOU Peter who baptized only in Jesus' name did it wrong! Matthew who wrote the supposed trinity phrase assissted him in Acts 2:38-42 baptizing everyone in that singular name was wrong also. Luke was there and he baptized into Jesus' name. Paul who was alater convert did it wrong when he was baptized into Jesus' name and baptized others that way. (Acts 2:38-22:16) Eph 2:20 said the church was built on the apostles and Jesus. But not your pagan trinity church. Are you all Catholics?
acts2and38ministries 2 days ago
@acts2and38ministries So were to IGNORE what JESUS said about using the term "baptizing in the name of the FATHER, SON & HOLY SPIRIT" in Matt 28:19 ? How do you know that the Name of Jesus was only emphasized MORE in the verses you speak of, as the Name of JESUS is above all names? No matter what Matt 28:19 still holds water, as it were. It can't be WRONG TO USE THIS FORMULA and besides, Baptism DOES NOT SAVE, no matter what you say.
MPPFLIPP 13 hours ago
@MPPFLIPPI agree with you about baptism.Cults such as the Coc and the Oneness Pentecostals get bugeyed about saying that baptism is part of the Gospel.Paul clearly said that he was sent not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. Paul was all about getting people saved, and if it were necessary for salvation, he would have done more than he said he did. Cornelious was given the Holy Spirit,and was not baptized. These guys are eat up with arguments with each other.They should preach Jesus together.
j4270108 11 hours ago
SO BY TAKING ONE SCRIPTURE (INSTEAD OF TWO OR THREE AS TOLD BY MOSES AND THE APOSTLE PAUL WHO BAPTIZED ALL BELIEVERS IN JESUS' NAME - UNLIKE YOU -) YOU MAKE A TRINITY BY WRESTLING ONE SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT! That's no different then the Pharisees who made the word of God to no effect or powerless by their traditions. Jesus rebuked them and I you In lovely name to be used for everything to include your baptism. Your just a heathen disguised as a Christian to take away your reproach. Ok wolfman!
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries The reality is that Oneness people DISOBEY Jesus Christ’s express command to baptize in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit!
Matthew 28:19 is a clear description of the very Trinity true Christians have always been baptized into.
The Didache says: Now concerning baptism, baptize as follows: after you have reviewed" all these things, baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mat_28:19) in running water.
IDH77 2 days ago
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@IDH77 JESUS, man, prophet, glorified by GOD.
Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him
Acts 7:22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a MAN attested to you by God with miracles..
Acts 3:26 For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you..
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
1 GOD, and 1 mediator the man JESUS.
GeorgeRaymondMusic 20 hours ago
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@IDH77 Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday and today and forever.
He still is a man, he still is a prophet, still a servant, and he was glorified by GOD his Father, who he prayed to, and taught his disciples to pray to.
He called himself 'son of man' the same name as every other prophet.
Time and again GOD puts to death the trinity.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man
time to leave ROMAN PAGAN CHURCH
GeorgeRaymondMusic 20 hours ago
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GeorgeRaymondMusic 20 hours ago
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@acts2and38ministries The reformation got glossed over and most are still in the ROMAN PAGAN CHURCH.
Luthar was a murderous advocate and Calvin used the ORTHODOX to murder ANTI-TRINITARIANS.
Everyone should question absolutely every doctrine that came from murderous ORTHODOXIES. Let GOD be true and every man a LIAR.
I challenge everyone to beg GOD on your knees, to correct any fault in your knowledge, to his glory, for GOD GIVES TRUTH. Given by all his prophets.
GeorgeRaymondMusic 20 hours ago
@GeorgeRaymondMusic I've done many years ago asked GOD to show me the truth and HE did, I found all the verse that address the FATHER, the SON - JESUS & the HOLY SPIRIT and guess what ALL 3 are addressed in the BIBLE as 1 doing, 2 saying, 3 listening, 4 forgiving, 5 healing, 6 raising the dead, 7 Raising JESUS' BODY,8 talking, 9 hearing, 10 being lied to, 11 choosing, and many more that only a person can do, so I saw that GOD wanted me to KNOW that GOD IS A TRINITY BEING(s) .
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
Your false trinity shows your ignorance. "Your Straw Man question shows your Ignorance. There is no 1 verse, why would there be?" Jesus said that man shall live by EVERY WORD OF GOD. HERE YOU ADMIT TO THE TRTH. THE TRINITY IS NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES! FALSE PROPHET ALERT!
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries You must either close your eyes to all the verse that address the 3 distinct beings of the GODHEAD or you are just a stubborn, stiff-neck fool to not see spelled out in the various verses of the Bible that there is a 3 in 1 BEING who made us. ( LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE) ( LET US GO DOWN & CONFUSE THEIR SPEACH) Sounds like more than 2 to me. U need to take each action GOD does and find all the other beings doing the same actions in the Bible and see what it shows you
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
So were you baptized into the trinity and by what organization is the next topic to talk about. Please respond instead of speaking vain bablings of how there's a mysterious (work of iniquity) trinity that's nowhere in any name or form taught by Jesus or the Apostles by whom the early church was made (Ephesians 2:20). Jesus and the apostles are the foundation of the church. They baptized into the name of Jesus. But how were you baptized and by what organization is the question. Please answer...
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
We already moved on to the topic of baptism since the word trinity is not in the Scriptures. For the record Peter and the 119 with him all baptized everybody in the only saving name of Jesus. Acts 2:38. Peter said to THEM, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS Christ for the remission (forgiveness) of sins.." What did these true believers do? Acts 2:41 they that GLADLY received HIS WORD WERE BAPTIZED: and the same day there were ADDED TO THEM about 3,000 thousand SOULS.
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
Man up and answer.
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
What organization did you follow (Baptists, Catholic ect.)?
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
Were you baptized into the trinity?
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
Show me where a trinity without doubt can be proved. Because again, you have no evidence. I am a human and we all consist of body, soul and spirit. You do not say Hello, spirit. Or hello soul of man. You say hello to the entire person. Are you a trinity? Matthew 28:18 is a scripture that Just said Jesus had all power in earth and in heaven. The Apostles understood this as they all baptized into His name. Why do you and your church accept anti-Christian baptisms into the pagan titles of God?
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
@acts2and38ministries A lame Straw man example. I can say to YOU in person as I talk, "what does your spirit say when I ask you this" -- Now, I am speaking to your body, but appealing to your spirit, I do not need to always address all three parts of your being each time I talk to you. Don't be absurd. Again U need to search the Bible on the Actions of the 3 who all do, say, feel, act, forgive, raise the dead, raise the body of Jesus, are lied to, are give thanks to, etc. All 3 are acted on .
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
Again, the Matthew 28;19 does not prove a trinity. Jesus was called the Prince of peace, Everlasting Father, ect but those are titles (Isa 9:6). Matthew 28 speaks of a "baptism in the name of" and nothing about the Godhead. All the Apostles disobeyed this one Scripture then that seemingly says in the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Ghost. The apsotles to include Paul (who had a speacil revelation see His story in Acts 22) all baptized in Jesus' name. Read Acts 2:38-22:16.
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
Where in the word of God is there a trinity? Please show me where there's a verse that says God is three distinct persons as per the councils of 325 and 381 say there are. Again show me in the Scriptures one verse that says God is a tri-unity (Trias). Show me or remain silent in your non-scriptural attacks against real Christians who hold to sola scriptura as did Jesus (Matt 4:4). I will await that exact Scripture verse that proves a trinity without any doubt.
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
The Trinity is clearly set before you in that verse! The fact that you are so muddle-headed that you think someone can be his own Father is not my fault!
Btw Cyprian quoted 1John 5:7 in the 3rd century as Scripture
...the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
IDH77 4 days ago
@IDH77 Sorry, the translation in modern English is, "these three are in agreement," not "these three are one." And the meaning of being "one" is made understandable in John 17. Too bad, though: it does not sustain the Trinity as described by the Nicene or Athanasian creeds. Acts2and38ministries is correct, the Trinity is not a doctrine sustained by the old or new testaments.
Xenophile665 3 days ago
@Xenophile665 Sorry but it’s obvious that you’ve never bothered checking the Greek for yourself using Strong’s Concordance. The word ‘one’ is ‘heis’ or the numeral 1. It’s NEVER translated as ‘agree’.
The Trinity is definitely in the Bible as that is how I came to believe in it. Oneness is theological confusion and Arianism is pure Scripture twisting.
IDH77 2 days ago
@IDH77 Curious: why did you feel you had to post this twice?
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
@Xenophile665 Didn’t realise I had! I've deleted one.
IDH77 14 hours ago
@Xenophile665 Perhaps YouTube made him do that as YouTube is notorious to not functioning right and making the person feel their comment did not post. It has happen to me many times. You need to consider the tools we are using, or may be THE 3 - 1 MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR A PURPOSE. ja ja ja.
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
@MPPFLIPP In answer to your last phrase, "may be THE 3 - 1 MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR A PURPOSE. ja ja ja." my response is simply: Huh?
Xenophile665 12 hours ago
@IDH77 GOOD WORK BROTHER, I fear these oneness folks are just plain blind and scripture Twisting stiff-necked fools. their heart needs to be opened by more power than we have & satan has blinded their eyes of understanding to GODS TRUTHS. But, I enjoy reading your answers. GOD BLESS ( ALL THREE of THEM who is our GOD)
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
1;57 i can only see his teeth......
MrAnguka 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Your Straw Man question shows your Ignorance. There is no 1 verse, why would there be? The Trinity is seen by looking at the various verses where 3 different individuals all either create, do or say or forgive or heal or show or proclaim or listen or are lied to or are sadden, all doing the same thing that only the 1 GOD can do. All 3 are referenced separably doing the same thing that only GOD does. All 3 R the same GOD as there is only 1 GOD but 3 doing the same things
MPPFLIPP 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Try looking up who raised Jesus from the dead, all 3 did, or who heals, all 3 do, or look up who creates, all 3 do, or who judges man, all 3 do, or who forgives, all 3 do, I could go & on but U get the picture, now do some home work using a Concordance & Teach yourself some Truth.The Trinity was recognized by the early Church Fathers & all who accept the Bible literally as GOD intended it to be understood. I could give U the verses but they will MEAN MORE if U find them 1st
MPPFLIPP 3 days ago
@MPPFLIPP Actually, the Trinity was voted into orthodoxy by a majority of the early church fathers. The ones who disagreed were then labelled heretics by the majority.
I find it odd that an all-powerful god couldn't just tell them all which doctrine was right; instead, they had to take a vote on it.
Don't you?
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
@Xenophile665 The GENUINE history is that the majority of bishops ALREADY believed in the Trinity because it was in the Bible and the debate was about Arianism (Jesus was a created god).
The truth is that Constantine didn’t get his own way because he favoured Arianism and was eventually baptized by an Arian bishop.
Try reading some history books. I recommend the Lion book ‘The History of Christianity’ as a good starter.
IDH77 17 hours ago
@IDH77 Who's the author of the Lion book, "The History of Christianity?"
Although I don't need to read it to understand that Trinitarianism is not substantiated by the NT, and most definitely not substantiated by the OT.
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
@Xenophile665 Lion is a series of books and it’s a mixture of authors.
The Trinity is most definitely in the Bible and is completely revealed in the NT.
Oneness is simply spiritual confusion. Jesus is not his own Father!
1John 5:7 is backed up by a number of mss and was quoted by Cyprian in the 3rd century. It was thrown out by Unitarians in the publishing of the RV.
IDH77 14 hours ago
@IDH77 "The Trinity is most definitely in the Bible and is completely revealed in the NT." No, it isn't. You need to re-read chapter 17 of the gospel according to John. Then tell me what is meant by the apostles being "as one," according to what you've read.
Xenophile665 12 hours ago
The Pharisees (Jewish priests) did NOT like Jesus. They denied Him and hated Him. Jesus fulfilled all prophecies concerning the Messiah. So what don't these famous preachers/teachers understand. In seeing they are blind and in hearing they are deaf (spiritually speaking)... Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE LIVING GOD. He is the Messiah in the Flesh. Come to restore the very Word of God to all flesh. Because we are fleshly beings and we need some FLESH (Jesus Christ) to get us to understand!
keojoe1981 4 days ago
I met John Hagee. He is a short guy. I have never before heard him say those things before. I guess when you do things for the wrong reasons, God does NOT bless you but when you leave God and leave doing His service, you are able to be overtaken by the Devil.
Jesus is the Messiah. He is Christ. Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Sure, after that we have been given the Holy Spirit, we then have the power to become the sons of God, NOT the ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS of God.
False preaching/teaching
keojoe1981 4 days ago
My friend you are unlearned! You must study to show yourself approved unto God. Just because your church teaches a trinity does not make Scriptural truth. The Pharisees added many things that took away from the power of God and It's effectiveness! Jesus alone has all power (Matt 28:18). So the other two gods are powerless! He alone is wise & power filled. (1 Cor 1 23-24) So the supposed others must not be! In Tertullian's letter to Praxeus (busybody), he says Oneness are the many in 200 AD!
acts2and38ministries 5 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Believe me it was not a church that taught me the Trinity but the Holy Spirit of God through the Scriptures.
If you think that the Trinity is 3 gods then it is YOU who has been deceived! Is that what they’ve taught you? Then you have been led astray by liars.
John 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, "My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
If Jesus was the Father then this makes no sense.
IDH77 4 days ago
@acts2and38ministries I like to THINK of you as Gnostic's gone astray into even worse Doctrines. The early Church did not make up the Trinity, they only CODIFIED it to make it more Clearer for those less learned in their day, remember most people did not go to school then. The Fathers made it a clear doctrine in the Creeds so all had no excuse to say they never knew the Truth. Your just part of the Bad apples still around rotting from those days of Gnostic & Arian scripture Twisting. satan works
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
@acts2and38ministries How ODD IT IS that the GNOSTICS & THE ARIANS came from EGYPT, Alexandria to be specific, which is were GOD TYPICALLY speaks of as the WORLD & it's Sin & Rebellion. GOD told the Israelites to come out of Egypt. Egypt is always where the most foul and false Religions came from.
So, it is no difference with the Arian heresies that you hold dear and sadly to your own self destruction
MPPFLIPP 12 hours ago
God is a spirit (John 4:24-singular). History proves that the trinity was invented by MEN. Until Tertullian (200) and Origen (220) nobody heard of a trias (trinity). They borrowed it from Greek pagans (Plato's work of Timaeus - was Tertullian's plagerism)! The Catholics plainly admit that in 325 they made it, Gregory of Nyssa said on it's making "On thinking upon the trinity, they came upon it!" Invention! It's a non-scriptural philosophy, not found in it! God has many manifestations yet is One!
acts2and38ministries 5 days ago
@acts2and38ministries No it wasn’t made up in 325. If someone told you that then you have been lied to and you certainly don’t know your history.
The only men who didn’t believe in the Trinity at Nicaea were the Arians who were in the minority.
The oneness brigade weren’t even part of the Church of Jesus Christ.
IDH77 4 days ago
"I also believe that Jesus is God in the flesh what I don’t believe is that he is his own Father. That’s not theology but confusion!" Response:Jo 10:30 I and my Father are (God) One! Col 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition (the trinity) of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.
acts2and38ministries 5 days ago
@acts2and38ministries If you think one means one person then you don’t even a basic grasp of the Scriptures!
How can Jesus be greater than himself? How can he send himself? How can he be his own Father?
Oneness is simply theological confusion and not the original apostolic faith.
IDH77 4 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Jesus is not His own father and no one said this, except oneness people. The Father is the part of GOD that remained in heaven while Jesus gave up His godly powers to become a man *Phil 2:5-8) so while on earth he could pray to the Father as a Human Being showing GOD THE FATHER as HIS GOD, as a human. The Father gave JESUS back all HIS GODLY POWERS IN REV 1:1 for starters. All the things JESUS did on earth was done in the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. Jesus revealed the FATHER
MPPFLIPP 10 hours ago
Reply to Baptism comes AFTER salvation not before. You have to believe before you can be baptised. Mat 28:19 & Mark 16:16. I agree that one must believe before they are baptized as per Mark 16:15-17; Luke 24:45-47; Acts 2:21-38; 8:12-40; 10:36-48, 18:8, 19:5, 22:16, Gal 3:26-28, Rom 6:4, ect! Jesus (Heb 4:15; Matt 3:12-17; Mark 1:9) was baptized and then the Holy Ghost came upon Him, and not before. Therefore we obtain it in like manner! Romans 6 says we arise again in His spirit!Trust & obey it
acts2and38ministries 5 days ago
The Jews believed in one God then (Shema Deut 6:4) and do now! Jesus was God in the flesh. Nowhere is the word trinity in the word of God. It's the broad path that leads to destruction. Many people will say that they used the name of the Lord (which is Jesus- Col 3:17; Matt 28:18; 1 Cor 1:24; Acts 2:38; 4:12; 10:36; Col 2:8-10; Phil 2:8-10; ect, ect.) in casting demons out, healing and in miracles. But they never (these trinitarians) used it in their baptism by belief (Mark 16:16; Matt 7:21-23)!
acts2and38ministries 6 days ago
@acts2and38ministries Yes I believe in only one God, the Trinity is only one God if someone has told you otherwise then they are lying.
I also believe that Jesus is God in the flesh what I don’t believe is that he is his own Father. That’s not theology but confusion!
Baptism comes AFTER salvation not before. You have to believe before you can be baptised. Mat 28:19 & Mark 16:16
IDH77 5 days ago
The trinity came from babylon. Trinity in the new testament churches either began by Tertullian in 200 AD (Stolen from pagan Plato's novel Timaues) or Origen in 220 AD (another introducer of paganistic infant baptism ideas as well). The Catholic plainly admit that the trinity was invented by Gregory of Nyssa. "In thinking upon the trinity, they came upon the trinity." Any Catholic Encyclopedia will reveal the truth about the Trinity -adopted in 325 and further revised in 381 it's not Scriptural!
acts2and38ministries 6 days ago
@acts2and38ministries The very reason I believe in the Trinity is because I found it in the Bible!
The Ante-Nicene Fathers didn’t believe in the Oneness doctrine and the apostles taught some of them.
The truth is that both Scripture and history are against you.
The very terms Father and son describe different persons,
IDH77 5 days ago
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IT is time TO RUN TO THE FEET OF THE CROSS AND MOAN FOR PARDON, WE NEED TO RETURN TO THE SIMPLICITY OF THE CROSS, NEED TO PREACH THE GOSPEL? JESUS CHRIST MEETS AS HERALD ON POWER RESTING IN? THE ETERNAL GRACE THAT? IT COMES FROM THE GOD'S THRONE. SEE THIS VIDEO:
ON RETURNING TO THE CROSS Roberto Camilla
CRISTOSUFICIENTE 2 weeks ago
I just broke down in tears at this vileness. I cannot believe that these heretics actually believe that WE WEAK HUMAN BEINGS have to give GOD THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH permission FOR HIM TO WORK IN OUR LIVES! HE IS LORD OF EVERYTHING. HE CONTROLS EVERY LITTLE LAST DETAIL OF ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. WE ARE MERE WORMS IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD. SAVED BY HIS GRACE, NOT OUR OWN WORKS!
UncleanLips 3 weeks ago
To all who denies the glorious doctrine of the Trinity, and for those whose members of the unitarian pentecostal cult that denies as well the finished work of the Lord Jesus at the Cross and even denies His saving grace through faith alone! Well, God has something for you on the judgment day, HELL! Stop denying all those things I have mentioned, nevertheless, if you're saved repent and get right with God! We must rightly divide the word of truth!
xiaolong143 3 weeks ago
@xiaolong143 Amen
IDH77 3 weeks ago
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xiaolong143-There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD repent
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
@xiaolong143 Wow you really are one screwed up puppy!
Optimistprimeno1 1 week ago
@xiaolong143 trinity is real and there is no other! praise the mane of the lord!!!!!!!! jesus is his name
frenchis19 1 week ago
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xiaolong143-There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD REPENT
ItsTimeNow4u 1 week ago
@xiaolong143 Give it a rest. We know Gods only worth the paper he was written on. It's foolish superstitious nonsense.
You die you die. There is probably is no god, so just envoy your life.
drwalepen15 1 week ago
@xiaolong143 My, what a Christian thing to do, threaten people with HELL when they disagree with you. If this soi disant judgment day is going to be bad for Arians and unitarian pentecostals, imagine how bad it's going to be for hypocrites!
Xenophile665 17 hours ago
hagee thinks the jews will have a final hour after a rapture ? he is a scholar? dont think so! they hour was first when jesus came on the scene and now is the hour and then the final coming ! there is no special hour for any race or tribe after this hour1 its over
frenchis19 3 weeks ago
@frenchis19 Try reading Zech 14 and Rom 11.
IDH77 3 weeks ago
@frenchis19 its finished finished finished : try resurrecting the real jesus this time !!!!!!!!!!!! no RACE GETS A SECOND CHANCE! WHENJESUS CAME HE CAME FIRST TO THE JEW AND THEN DOOR WAS OPEN FOR ALL : JESUS DOES NOT START IN THE FLESH " jew " AND GO TO SPIRIT" JESUS RESURRECTION" then revert back to some fleshly tribe !!! YOUR READ ALL DAY AND MISS THE FACTS SO ITS WORTHLESS FOR YOU TO READ ANYTHING! YOURE SIMPLY STUPID SCRIBES! YOU PEOPLE MAKE UP SO MUCH GARBAGE AND BELIEVE IT!
frenchis19 3 weeks ago
@frenchis19 Anyone who is still alove after the rapture, if it mid or pretrib, will be able to listen to the two witnesses and many, many jews and gentiles will come to faith in Christ at that time. I reject Mr. HAgee's views on Jesus not coming to be the messiah, and I really don't know what is in his book, don't care really, but everyone alive when the two witnesses arrive on the scene in Jerusalem, will still be able to be save.
yeshualovesme1 2 weeks ago
@yeshualovesme1 first off the 2 witnesses are 1. jews born again 2. gentiles born again and after jesus come and steps out of the mediator place there will be no one saved after that point: so this rapture that these false preachers are speaking of is not in the bible : the only time jesus returns is at the end and it is called the 2nd coming:jesus did not hit of a secret return then an open return when he spoke to his disciples: so i have no idea who listens to them: jesus only
frenchis19 2 weeks ago
@frenchis19 You're listening to preacher who are twisting the reality of scripture. Hope you see sooner than later. God bless!
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 i dont listen but i observe and listen to the words they speak and the motives behind it: money money money and followers followers followers because they mean more money! ; some of the things they say are absolutely embarrassing to hear: and to say " EVERYONE STAND IN THE HOUSE OF THE LORD!" that building isnt the house of the lord if they read acts 17!!! they read what they want only
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 Who is "they?"
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 the 2 witnesses :
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 you don't believe the two witnessed are actually two individuals?
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 no just as i dont think believe 144000 is an actual number: 144000 means all israel will be saved 12 tribes and 12 of each tribe comes to 144000 : nor do i believe 1000 years is actual 1000 yers but means eternity : hebrew didnt have a word for eternity to they used their largest number:
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 Where I agree with you on the 144G, I have to disagree with you on the "Hebrew/eternity" thing. One only has to read the account of Sodom and Gomorah to see that Hebrew does have a word that is at least loosely associated with the concept of "eternity."
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 well i dont argue over doctrine other then jesus alone is the way : i have been called to bring the bride of christ to the original worship and dedication to the lord : there are many false and bodies of the bride who have lost their way because of people like tbn
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 No worries, Jesus alone is all there is. 100% truth.God bless!
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 and god bless you
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 Also, one of my favorite sayings is "be like the Bereans", I read my bible. Would you like to debate anything about scripture? Anything.
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@frenchis19 Do you really endorse TBN? Seriously?
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@yeshualovesme1 no not at all theyre greed dogs
frenchis19 1 week ago
@frenchis19 me neither
yeshualovesme1 1 week ago
@frenchis19 The 2 witnesses are Judah (Jews) and Israel (Hebrew Israelites/gentiles)
BarbarianLion 1 week ago
we have these idots that cannot understand jesus words because they have not his spirit: jesus IS THE ONLY SON BEGOTTEN OF GOD ! we are adopted sons of god ! WE ARE ALSO NOT LITTLE GODS ! HOW MANY PEOPLE HEAR THIS AND HAGEE CLAIMS JESUS DIDNT COME TO BE A MASSIAH! FOOLS !
frenchis19 3 weeks ago
TBN accepts any money raising Jesus.
blueeyebabygirl 3 weeks ago
Listen to William Branham He is called by God as Philip said Nathanael I say unto you come see for yourself William Branham is the end time prophet in Malachi 4:5-6 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
prittydeb 4 weeks ago
@prittydeb Branham was a false prophet who denied the Trinity and did his miracles (?) via an angel (fallen?) not the Holy Spirit.
It was he who led the Pentecostal church into all kinds of heresies such as Latter Rain.
You can thank people like him that we have TBN in the first place.
IDH77 4 weeks ago
@IDH77 No you are false Mark 3:23-24 How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
You make clams but have no proof He said that Father Son and Holy Ghost was the the same person which is true He never say anything wrong and I say that boldly
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@IDH77 PT3 Bible proof what is the real Trinity
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way: When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit
so then the Father and the Holy Spirit is the same person.
I have a video called Is God Three persons? you can watch it
prittydeb 4 weeks ago
@IDH77 PT2 Bible proof what is the real Trinity
Jesus was saying baptizing them in the name that that belongs to these three titles which is Jesus that means that all three are one not three different people
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus is the father and the is God
prittydeb 4 weeks ago
@prittydeb There is only one God but 3 persons, how else can Jesus say that the Father is greater than I. John 14:28
The one name in Matthew 28 is YAHWEH not Jesus!
They're not all called Jesus! The term Father in Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t mean he's God the Father but the first one in eternity just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are.
IDH77 4 weeks ago
@IDH77 The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
ItsTimeNow4u 4 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u Of course he called himself the Son of God! John 3:16 & 9:35!
Never called himself the Son if Man? What fairyland are you living in? Matt 8:20+
The very words Father and son clearly define 2 different persons!
Btw Joseph Prince means nothing to me, I don’t follow him.
IDH77 3 weeks ago
IDH77- I know that the false & PAGAN TRINITY Doctrine teaches that there are 3 GODS in Heaven this is a fact. I understand that however you must read what JESUS said who he is whenever asked here read it for yourself John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. So i ask you now why the CONTRADICTIONS in John 3:16 he is the so called son of god and in John Chap 14:9 Jesus tells Phillip that HE is the ONLY GOD hmm.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u So you believe that’s a fact eh?
So why does the Athanasian Creed (the official definition) say:
“So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are NOT THREE GODS, BUT ONE GOD.”
If you're going to criticise something at least do some basic homework!
IDH77 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u Yahweh in the OT is the name of the Trinity which is the name talked about in Matt 28. Any Jew would be able to tell you that!
But there is only one Yahweh!
(Deuteronomy 6:4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one:
But Elohim or God is PLURAL! Therefore there is a plurality within the ONE Godhead!
IDH77 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u John 14:9 Jesus is not saying He IS the Father but that the Father is IN Him!
That is talking about the hypostatic union not the ridiculous idea that Jesus is his own Father. That’s the kind of ridiculous question that I get asked by JW’s!
So the only contradiction is in your theologically confused mind!
IDH77 3 weeks ago
IDH77- Do U even know from WHERE n WHEN we got our modern Bible from N WHO wrote it. They still claim to have translated it from GREEK to the ENGLISH language N english we got from ancient latin. The New Testament was written in GREEK n the Old in Hebrew. This so called bible translation did not start in 1611 rather in 321 to 325 AD at the Pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea Ordered by Roman Emperor Constantine HE was the 1st POPE. The bible was corrupted by the false Catholic Church.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
IDH77-Ever since the pagan N false Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321 to 325 AD the bible has been corrupted with many false teachings. The main 1 being the false pagan TRINITY Doctrine found mostly in the New Testament NOT the Old Testament. The so called Bible translators in 321 to 325 AD were UNIVERSALISTS which means CATHOLIC they were pagans ok its true N historically accurate. So they had a hidden agenda already to infuse the bible with many false teachings like the TRINITY.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u Do you enjoy lying or are you just totally ignorant of history?
The men at Nicaea were true Christians not Arian Gnostics. It was they who formulated the Trinity doctrine using the Scriptures alone.
The word catholic simply means universal. It DOESN’T mean ‘Universalism’!
It refers to the universal faith of all Christians, which the RCC has wrongfully misappropriated. How ignorant can you get?
IDH77 3 weeks ago
IDH77-The men at the Council of Nicea were Catholics N Catholics are pagans this is a historical fact. It was the the Roman Emperor Constantine who was not only the 1st Pope but the one who put it all together. At the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea from 321 to 325 AD which today is in modern day Turkey is where the modern Bible got created its that simple N a historical fact. This is where many parts of the New Testament ONLY got corrrupted with the pagan N false Trinity Doctrine.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
IDH77- The Trinity Doctrine is a pagan false teaching put in many parts of the New Testament by the false Catholic pagan Church ever since 321 to 325 AD at the Council of Nicea. This is why there is no Father Son of God N Holy spirit in the Old Testament ONLY the New Testament. The teaching of 3 GODS controling the Universe is a pagan N its a unbiblical teaching something the 1 true GOD always punished the ancient Israelites for doing so then how is the Trinity a true N proper teaching
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u Like it or not the Trinity is what the New Testament teaches! I suppose you are coming from the perspective of Islam?
The OT DOES teach that God has a Son!
(Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
IDH77 3 weeks ago
IDH77- You cannot read ISAIAH 9:6 without reading ISAIAH CHAPTER 11 because its the same person its not JESUS n ISAIAH CHAPTER 11 has not happened yet so then how is Jesus the MESSIAH to come spoken of in ISAIAH 9:6. He JESUS is not the Messiah nor did he ever claim to be the Messiah. There should be peace on this earth TODAY if Jesus was the Messiah 2000 years spoken of in ISAIAH 9:6 N CHAPTER 11 yet Jesus said "i come NOT to bring PEACE but a SWORD" so much for the PRINCE of PEACE.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
IDH77- The person God Allmighty spoke of in Isaiah Chapter 11, Isaiah Chapter 9 verses 1 to 9 is the Messiah who has come. He is a man he is not Allmighty God although God sent him to prepare this planet for his coming back. This man is also mentioned by Moses in Deut Chap 18, Genesis Chap 49 N by King David himself in Psamls Chapter 110 verses 1 to 10. In Matthew Chap 24, Luke Chap 21 Jesus calls him the Son of Man well this person God has already sent in this world as of JAN 2011.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
IDH77- There is no biblical proof in the Old Testament of the TRINITY Doctrine none ONLY the New Testament why is that. The Old Testament MUST have the TRINITY Doctrine in it IF God Allmighty ever gave it to the ancient Israelites N it does not. So where did the New Testament get it from then if not from the Old Testament. It was from the so called Bible traslators who were really Bible creators the very pagans at the pagan Catholic Church Council of Nicea in 321-325 AD. This a all fact.
ItsTimeNow4u 3 weeks ago
@ItsTimeNow4u have not Read psalms 51:11
spud2ooo 3 weeks ago
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IDH77- YOU SAID- "John 14:9 Jesus is not saying He IS the Father but that the Father is IN Him!" So now you dont speak N understand the English language. This is exactly what Jesus is telling Phillip that HE alone is the FATHER N that there is no other GOD above himself. We can clearly see this to be a Biblical fact when reading REVELATION Chapter 20:11. There R no 3 THRONES in HEAVEN only 1 and it saids JESUS is sitting on it ALL by himself read it for yourself. The TRINITY is false.
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@IDH77 PT3 If there is only one god and he is the Father then why did Thomas said to Jesus , "My Lord and my God!" and Jesus reply "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:28-29
THAT means Thomas was right when he called Lord and God About John 14:28 watch my video called God it is short
prittydeb 3 weeks ago
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@IDH77 PT2 YOU SAID "Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t mean he's God the Father but the first one in eternity just as the Father and the Holy Spirit are." BUT THAT DOSE NOT EVEN MAKE ANY SENSE because the word eternity means infinite time; duration without beginning or end.
prittydeb 3 weeks ago
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@IDH77 PT1 Haha you just prove yourself wrong because you said that "The one name in Matthew 28 is YAHWEH not Jesus!" Right so then you are saying that Father Son and Holy Spirit are all the same person and his name is YAHWEH SEE when your foundation is not build on God's word it will fall
prittydeb 3 weeks ago
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@IDH77 PT1 Bible proof what is the real Trinity
Matthew 28:19 baptizing them in the name [NOTE HE SAID NAME NOT NAMES] of the Father, and of the Son,and of the Holy Spirit:
What name did Paul baptized in Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
What did Peter did Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
prittydeb 4 weeks ago
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@IDH77 To blasphemy against Holy Spirit is the only unforgivably sin Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.
prittydeb 3 weeks ago
IDH77-I agree John Hagee N TBN are FALSE along with so many others too many to name here. However GOD does not call Satan the tree of Knowledge of Good N Evil for nothing which means there R times Satan does tell the truth for personal gain of course. Such is the case here the TRINITY DOCTRINE is a false teaching N was added in many parts of the New Testament ONLY by the false pagan Catholic Church ever since 321 AD at the Council of Nicea which is in modern day turkey. Want more let me know.
ItsTimeNow4u 1 month ago
I agree. TBN has interesting things, but I never agreed with everything they've endorsed. If you have not heard Pastor Joseph Prince I highly recommend his teachings. Been following him a few years now & has never left me confused. God has really blessed this pastor to preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ (God's ONLY begotten Son)
EVERY0NEhasAStory 1 month ago
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EVERYonehasastory- The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
ItsTimeNow4u 1 month ago
The Bible, New Testament, Mark 13:5-6
Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.
Isak5771 1 month ago
The Bible, New Testament, Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Isak5771 1 month ago
...Gnosticism is again as popular as it was in the middle ages.
vachief 1 month ago
( You're blocked! ) does this give you a power rush ? BLOCKING PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH YOU !! ( NICE JOB OF TWISTING GODS WORD TO SERVE YOUR PURPOSE ) BUT YOU ARE ONLY FOOLING THE UN LEARNERD PEOPLE !!!
undergroundtreasure 1 month ago
@undergroundtreasure The only people I block are idiots and you seem to be going the same way!
IDH77 1 month ago
@IDH77 BLOCK AWAY , BLOCK AWAY ( I DON"T REALY CARE !!! )
undergroundtreasure 1 month ago
@undergroundtreasure No neither do I!
IDH77 1 month ago
wow Thanks for the proof! Its their actual words. Its not an editing trick. We need to stop following man or else hand in hand we go down to hell.
4swordkeeper 1 month ago
Nice work.
theearstohear 1 month ago
hey if tbn is good enough for paul washer it all right for me.
therealluvdady 1 month ago
hopefully these phoney preachers will all be exposed and brought to correction, so all their followers can see it and break away from them.
frogshair2 1 month ago
This is not true! Someone edited this film to make it sound like they are saying these things you think they are saying. Shame on you. grow up and stop twisting things around to manipulate others just because you don't like these people. You must be in the same class as the Pastor who said that Billy Grahm is of the devil. It seams to me you are the false teacher here. Now knock it off I'm sick of this and you and your lies! Be gone with you and your corupted youtube chanel and videos!
MrDrummerdude7 1 month ago
@MrDrummerdude7 The fact is that the word Faith Movement teaches false doctrine such as men are little gods and that you can command money to come to you.
The funny thing is that it only seems to work for the people at the top of this spiritual ponzi scheme!
IDH77 1 month ago
Tell me all you word of doubters, how do u explain this, I am a tither, i sow seed as it is written in the WORD to do...Since doing this I become very blessed and able to give more, as i increase!!!...I am so over your type who are so tight that you have problems putting your hand in your pocket...The bible says the LIBERAL SOUL WILL BE MADE RICH!!! GET OVER IT...WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED YOU CANNOT CURSE...
favouredsuzy 1 month ago
@favouredsuzy Have you ever been made rich or are you only making your pastor rich?
IDH77 1 month ago
@favouredsuzy what you say is true. sow sparingly and reap the same! if that's what you want! sow to the spirit and you reap to everlasting life and the fruit of righteousness is increased, if that's what you want! God will give you back money for money in a "old covenant relationship! he does that to the heathen too! the sow and increase in money! ever wonder about that sir?
ThomasBSenior 1 month ago
@favouredsuzy this isnt about tithing only, did you hear hwat these men were saying? They sounded like mormons to me. "we are gods, Jesus isnt the only begotten son, only if we give God permission" etc deceptions, lies and millions are watching.
shvibzik123 1 month ago
@shvibzik123 Well Jesus is not the so called Son of God read your bible first rather then just listen to false preachers who themselfs listen to other false preachers. The blind leding the bilnd thats whats going on here.
ItsTimeNow4u 1 month ago
@ItsTimeNow4u Im just making sure, did you really tell me that Jesus is not the son of God?
shvibzik123 1 month ago
@shvibzik123 He said Jesus is not the Only begotten son of God-the bible says "he is" we are all his children we have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry- Abba Father. Check your bible concordance-look for the words begotten and abba-father, you'll see God bless...
52thanks 4 weeks ago
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@shvibzik123 The one you call JESUS never ever called himself the so called Son of God/Son of man or a Prophet or the Messiah never. When ever someone asked Jesus who he is he always responded by saying that he alone is God Allmighty and no one else. Read it for yourself you pagan John Chapter 14 verse 9, John Chapter 20 verse 28, Revelation Chapter 20 verse 11 to name a few want more let me know. And Joseph Prince is a FALSE Pastor teaching doctrines of Devils repent.
ItsTimeNow4u 4 weeks ago
This is why it is best to read (or listen to) the bible, so we won't have to just listen to what a man says.
kriggans1 1 month ago
wow tbn is messed up, good thing i never watched it
RavenclawRedhead 1 month ago
If Sunday is the Sabbath Day, these rascals sure enough haven't kept it holy.
Troubletube1 1 month ago