1. Canada already has legalized prostitution. What it has not legalized is the acts surrounding it. shortly put, pimping and other affiliated jobs, soliciting, and brothels are illegal. 2 The judge who overturned these laws is an Ontario provincial judge, a level below the federal court. This means that these laws will only be removed in Canada if the Supreme Court of Canada agrees with the judge, them which has not happened yet.
@specialcircumstancer oldest not first, the ones who were paying them(whatever that means in this context) may have been doing a job or service that no longer exists.
Prostitution was already legal in Canada. The part that was illegal was about locations. You can't pay the hooker in public, and you can not have sex in public. It must be behind closed doors. On top of that (to prevent whore houses), you can't have sex with a hooker in the same location more then once. You must get a different motel room every time you sleep with a hooker.
P.S prostitution has always been pretty legal in Canada as long as you didn't make a public scene out of it. Because again, if a man and woman want to exchange money for sex... big whoop.
Men beware! of modern Western Women motives based on ultimate shallowness, vanity, and materialism. They oppose prostitution because it'll ruin women's plan to use sex to: lure with and deprive men, and abuse men with the false promise of sex, waiting for Mr. MD/Millionaire/Celebrity/Personal trainer to come along to set them up for life, in a sort of involuntary bondage to their meal ticket with “equal” marriage sucking the man dry, and force him to stay through the Feminazi divorce courts.
What was illegal was 1. Solliciting customers in public , 2. Having a Bawdy house , Brothel . etc..... and 3 . Illegal to have body guards , help from police , medical help , or protection was illegal to have for protituste
It's legal in Australia, and takes place right in the heart of our major cities. The suburbs with these establishments are good, and have suffered nothing for it. The people I know who do sex work are good, happy people. Most of them are drug free, although that's not representative of all sex workers. They are involved in political activism and volunteer work. They are bright, productive members of society, and the only trade off is that we have to let go of our hang ups about sex work.
The young turks tell this story the worst way possible but what can you do they are like most liberal media( a bunch of morons). Blame that situation on Pierre Elliot Trudeau the worst prime minister of Canada, he made this charter of rights and freedoms and now look what has happened.
the young turks are being incredibly ignorant. What they're supporting has been tried in the Netherlands and Germany. It does NOT get rid of the black market sex trade and it DOES lead to massive increases in human trafficking and organized crime. And geuss what, we already have legal regulated strip clubs and strippers still get abducted and brutalized every year. Get your heads out of your ideological asses and recognize something for the inherently wrong, dehumanizing shit that it is.
@werdorino The definition of "trafficked" people in most studies includes anyone working illegally in another country. It doesn't take into account whether people are there of their own accord or are actually being enslaved. A sex worker who chooses to cross the border and work in another country to take advantage of better working conditions would also be considered "trafficked."
PROSTITUTION WAS NEVER ILLEGAL!!! our government doesn't care that someone wants to fuck for money or fuck for fun, there was never a law criminalizing prostitution, we just didn't care, there is no law, TYT seems really uninformed with Canadian laws just like with what happens in our parliament
Ana needs to be clear about about the laws shes talking about, its never been illegal to be a prostitute in Canada. Its the laws surrounding prostitution such as solicitation and running a common bawdy house which were unconstiutuional.
@wikkidie true, Canada doesn't want the streets to be full of "so how much for a Cleveland steamer?" asking prostitutes probably cuz it'll make Canada look bad, I'm not sure of what internet advertising like kijiji or Craigslist laws are, do you know?
@therealsporadicaarmy Freedom of speech protects the right of sex industry to advertise. However, the RCMP asked cragislist to comply with their request to remove their erotic section which only made agencies/sp's start advertising on other websites. Canada tries to hide the underworld of the sex industry, but it does not try to eliminate it.
@llamahamfat That's only in Ontario, and I think Vancouver, BC. Also, to be fair, most of the year it isn't an issue. If a woman goes topless in Canada in January, she will literally freeze her tits off.
A Nordic model has worked, Sweden has had it for many years and has the stats to prove it is working. Amsterdam however where a legalized system has been in place has been pulling away from that system as it is not working and producing more crime. There is lots to read on this subject and before people weight their thoughts about it, they really should read more about it.
@LilyLuka A lot of Swedish prostitutes would disagree with you on that. They still face a lot of discrimination. They don't have a lot of help available to them there's no harm-reduction measures, and they can have their kids taken away from them if they're discovered to be working as prostitutes.
@MissTemperence In Sweden it is legal to sell just illegal to buy. A sex trade worker legally would have done nothing wrong there for no reason to take their children away. Secondly the money that is saved from not treating victims like criminals, is put towards prevention and aids to help women safely and successfully exit the trade.
@LilyLuka "In Sweden it is legal to sell just illegal to buy" Yes, I am aware of what the Swedish model is. I suggest you do some research. They're still subject to to some unfortunate discrimination, even in the legal realm.
@xxwzaebd Thats called a 2-tier system. It may sound good, but if you think about it that would mean all of the good doctors would end up in the private hospitals and before you know it, public hospitals may turn into complete shitholes.
The Supreme Court also agreed with the Superior Court's decision. Right now its at a moment of resting until legislature can be changed. One of the reasons for decriminalization was because the original laws were meant to avoid a social nuisance rather than protect society.
Prostitution is violence against women. More then half of those who are working the street are aboriginal women, many have been trafficked most have been on the street since they were 14. If you would like to learn more read Invisible Chains by Benjamin Perrin or simply type into Google scholar sex trade, aboriginal women in the sex trade or murdered and missing women in Canada
@LilyLuka Im pretty sure half the point to legalizing prostitution is so that that prostitutes DONT have to work for pimps who are often violent and abusive. Sort of like a strip club but prostitution.
@metaitachi Actually there is hardly any "pimps" anymore. Pimps now are the drug dealers who get these women hooked or their family members that throw them onto the streets. Legalization does nothing to to protect these women as the majority of women who are in the sex trade would in no way fit into a legalized system. I work directly with these women, none of the women want to be out there but their addictions and poverty keep them there.
A Nordic model is what is best for Canada overall!!
@LilyLuka Well im not a 100% sure about what the canadian system is but i imagine that legal brothels could be set up. If they could be set up, that easily fixes the violent issue because there would be guards and bouncers around like in a strip club.
@metaitachi You are right you do not understand our system and you most certainly do not understand the issue at hand. The legal brothels would only take into count the 5% or so of women that actually want to be out there and the would actually fit into a legalized system. The rest of the women who are addicted to drugs, have HIV or Hep C or the many other STI sex trade workers come into contact with and all the under aged girls would still be part of an illegal system.
The whole "prostitutes are victims" theme is nonsense. If these women don't like being prostitutes they can go work as secretaries or cashiers. Most of them CHOOSE to be whores because they prefer to make more money and work shorter hours.
It most definitely is not as simple as that. Some girls become prostitutes because they're drug addicts and can't get a job as a secretary or a cashier (who would hire a drug addict?) and because of their addiction, they get in with pimps who keep them high and force them to go out on the streets. It's a vicious never-ending cycle. Or what about the young teens who run away from home and get in with the pimps as well thinking that they will be taken care of?
Anyone who gets murdered is a victim by definition. It doesn't matter if they work as prostitutes, lawyers or accountants. They chose to be prostitutes but they didn't choose to be murdered.
You guys are idiots. Just because it's been going on "forever" doesn't mean it's right. Slavery went on for centuries, was it right? NO. Give me a break. Take a look at all the EMPIRICAL STUDIES that shows legalizing prostitution INCREASES human trafficking. It's happening all over Europe, where young girls are forced by pimps to sell their bodies to old men. Current prostitution laws are not perfect, but legalizing it IS A HUGE STEP BACKWARDS. I am Canadian and the govt is APPEALING THIS.
@1hmm2 You could not be more right!!! We wont be helping anyone if we legalize it, we need a Nordic model in Canada. That is the only way to help the women in it and to help take on human trafficking!! As a social worker and woman I am disgusted at the thought of legalizing it!!!
@1hmm2 ok but theres a big difference between slavery and prostitution slavery is taking someone AGAINST THEIR WILL and FORCING them to work, what u are saying about human trafficking is right but that doesn't necessarily mean prostitution has to be illegal laws can be changed so no one is forced into doing anything but keep consensual prostitution legal for example they could make it so to practice prostitution legally u need a permit (to get this permit u need ID proving u are over 18).
@muntasir20 Prostitution leads to human trafficking, and therefore IS MODERN-DAY SLAVERY. Some studies have also shown that legalized prostitution encourages impoverished young girls to enter the sex trade to make quick money. Yes, girls as young as 12! Also, the ID proposal is a terrible idea. Having hundreds of policemen patrol brothels to make sure every prostitute has ID is expensive, faulty, and not plausible. Legalized prostitution is not the way forward.
@1hmm2 but policemen are already patroling brothels the only difference is that right now they are arresting every prostitute but with the new laws they would only arrest those without a permit if anything it would be cheaper with the permit laws because arresting all prostitutes requires jail space and the country has to supply them attorneys (if needed) and the cost of keeping these prostitutes in jail and supplying them attorneys comes out of our tax dollars; as for the underage issue im sure
@muntasir20 In Canada prostitution in itself has been legal for a long time, but PIMPING and buying sex is illegal -- and the latter is what the debate is about. Prostitutes are NOT arrested in Canada, but PIMPS and those who EXPLOIT WOMEN/CHILDREN are arrested. This new law would make it legal for them to run brothels. Also, it is hard to tell the difference between a 17 underaged and 19 year old in many cases. You ought to give a serious thought about this issue -- how it will empower pimps.
@1hmm2 if what you are saying is right then i agree pimping should be illegal BUT individual prostitution should be legal, from the information given in this video it sounds as if they are saying that Canada has made individual prostitution legal i.e. when women stands on the street and does it; at no time in this video did they mention that running a brothel is what is going to be made legal
@muntasir20 I would suggest that you (as well as the YoungTurks or whatever they call themselves) inform yourself about Canada's legal system and laws before making ill-informed comments about prostitution. As I have already said, prostitution in itself is not illegal in Canada. Buying sex and pimping ARE illegal, putting the punishment on the buyers and pimps. What this new ruling proposes is to make PIMPING AND EXPLOITATION LEGAL. But I guess it's a good thing according to this video. SHAMEFUL
@1hmm2 in your initial comment here is exactly what you said "legalizing prostitution INCREASES human trafficking" note the legalizing prostitution part you did not say that legalizing PIMPING increases human trafficking reading the comment makes it seem as if you are complaining because of individual prostitution being legal, if you are going to complain about something i suggest you make it clear what your complaining about
@muntasir20 Nevertheless, your previous comments suggest that you do support legal brothels, and thus the exploitation of women and children by pimps. That's the problem. You even suggested that sex workers should get "permits," which in essence means that you support pimps owning brothels to make money. So please explain to me as well as the readers -- do you support legalized brothels or not? Because if you say yes, then you also support pimps. Feel free to use commas and periods as well.
@1hmm2 i do not support brothels BUT i do still support the permit idea; explain to me how having prostitutes required to use permits to practice their profession will lead to pimping
@1hmm2 continued: policemen can tell the difference between a 20 year old and a 12 year old just by looking at them and even if they cant they can ask for a permit (which they obviously wont have since the required age for obtaining a permit is 18 or older) if the girls are indeed underage they can be arrested and questioned to determine if they have a "pimp" or not or if they are just doing this for money (in which case the girl gets counseling)
the worst thing about this new legislation is that the Legalization of MARIJUANA was not first and foremost. Talk about why the fuck we haven't legalized it. I smoked a fair bit of pot in my day but never once bought a hooker. Pot is no more criminal than being a john. I prefer a girlfriend or wife to hookers but that doesn't mean the next guy should have to. PEACE
im all for human rights but why should they be given a safe work environment, why should those drug fiends be safe when its them leaving intravenous needles and various paraphernalia on our streets for kids to pick up. street walking supports the drug trades.
well it goes much deeper than what you see on the surface, most girls if not all of them out there are working to support their drug habits, and are working for a pimp for the security who may also be a drug dealer, like cmon their not out there trying to add extra income to white picket fenced families. i get it, its an easy answer to their problems.
..if its the Ontario superior court it wont apply to any other province , i have a question for americans can u name some provinces and some canadian cities?
Prostitution was never actually illegal, everything that essentially led up to it and make it possible was illegal. Having a bordello, have a pimp or madam, having a body guard, talking about it, etc. was illegal.
1. Everybody has the same urges, but the ones with more cash can afford the prostitutes, the poor can't. That is why mid-class/rich men make up the majority of the whore's customer base.
2. A lot of regular women go for cash. If a man has enough cash for whores he'll usually be able to get regular women as well. Maybe only used up mid-aged, but something. That's why most men who pay for sex are married, in long term relationships, or have been divorced, separated, or widowed.
The people who pay for sex are middle to upper class, often married men- doctors, lawyers, cops, judges, businessmen, ceo's, teachers, bureaucrats, politicians. Anti-prostitution laws are a joke perpetrated by hypocritical clowns.
Prostitution might as well be legalized. Paying for sex is really no different from paying for milk, or a surrogate mother. Some people have such bad self-imgaes of themselves, or are truly unattractive, they feel they HAVE to pay for sex...
I agree with you but you shouldn't say that conservatives are dumb because they don't agree with you. Seriusly man if you want a one party country than go to North Korea.
Your reporting on this issue was riddled with factual errors.
1. Prostitution in Canada has never been illegal; certain aspects regarding how it is carried out are.
2. Articles in the Canadian Charter have been struck down in Ontario, not all of Canada.
3. The ruling argues that limiting prostitutes' ability to work freely interferes with their constitutional right to safety by putting them in danger; it does not argue that prostitution should be regulated, legalized or anything else
THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL when Canada says its legal to prostitute but you cannot use a house to prostitute in? If its legal to prostitute then its no ones G D business as to which house she does it in because a house is one's PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DOMAIN. ITS ABOUT TIME NEIGHBORS AND GOVERNMENT MIND THEIR OWN F’ING BUSINESS
@jgillevet dude some pimps may abuse them because its an illegal unregulated underground environment. look at alcohol, aren't there problems that arise due to drinking?? of course, many, perhaps more than drugs or prostitution. but by making it ilegal altogether we not only punish one abuser, but we also end up punishing responsible users who are not addicts and dont drink and drive, that aint fair. i say legalize tax regulate.
WHAT DO YOU THINK MARRIAGE IS? ALL WOMEN WHO RECIEVE MONEY IN A MARRAIGE IS PROSTITUTING HERSELF TO THE HUSBAND, BECAUSE IN RETURN SHE GIVES HIM SEX then she can get a divorce and can take his house and half of his earnings and alimony and child support. IMAGINE THAT. THE POOR GUY HAS TO PAY THE EX-WIFE PROSTITUTE WITHOUT GETTING ANY SEX IN RETURN. MARRIAGE=CORRUPTED PROSTITUTION.
IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR IF A MAN DID NOT PAY the more sensuous gender for a sexual favor or service because any and all sexual contact between them CANNOT BE EQUAL, so automatically the non-sensuous gender WILL BE IN DEBT TO HER and should be allowed by law to pay what he owes her. Women have an advantage over men because they can easily find another female where ITS ALWAYS AN EQUAL EXCHANGE without having to pay each other, but men DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME ADVANTAGE.
This sounds like the speech Dabney Coleman and Dustin Hoffman made in "Tootsie". Something like "guys cannot commit because they would be the ones exploited."
@jgillevet AT 16 YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH to consent in Canada BUT AN 18,25 OR 35 year old is not old enough to recieve money for a sexual favor or service? WHAT IS THIS BULLLLLSSSSSHHIIIIET. AN ADULT 18 and over should have a right to make a choice to recieve money for a sexual favor and if government is so concerned then why dont they give these women a home-disease kit where they can test if they or their clients have any diseases or even aids if that was possible.Then the government can be of help.
@jgillevet Are you referring to human trafficing? THAT IS NOT TRUE because of those women or girls that are so called being trafficked, a very large percentage of them are free to go where they want to when they are not prostituting and have the freedom to go to the police but they decide to return to the pimp BCEAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO. Government is all too ready to put all the blame on the man.
@jgillevet THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL when Canada says its legal to prostitute but you cannot use a house to prostitute in? If its legal to prostitute then its no ones G D business as to which house she does it in because a house is one's PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DOMAIN. ITS ABOUT TIME NEIGHBORS AND GOVERNMENT MIND THEIR OWN F’ING BUSINESS.
@jgillevet prostituion is not abuse, prostitution is sex 4 money. everybody has sex, now money doesn't make it evil or bad either.The reason it is abuse is because its underground and illegal. now u still buying into the myths. those statistics are biased because as I already explained u. with its illegality and stigmatization, none of the prostitutes will be encouraged to accept that they like what they do or that they prefer that among some given choices. being forced to should remain ilega
Yonge Street in the Seventies was an open sleazy hole and people turned a blind eye to it. Then a friend of mine was raped, tortured and photographed in one of those bawdy dumps.
He was then strangled and drowned in a sink and his body tossed on the roof in a garbage bag. And you want me to turn a blind eye again. Over ten thousand people marched to close those dumps down. Why do they want them back?
@jgillevet if u have sex with someone according to u is ok, but the moneny hey exchange a few bucks, ohh suddenly abuse??? I dont get your logic. if there is beatings, violence, that is abuse, and i have never suggested that should be illegal. in an illegal environment there is more violence, dont you get that. people in teh sex trade deserve the same rights as other people. its like making any form of sex illegal, so nobody ever would get abused.
@jgillevet your fact is wrong you are making asumptions based on stereotypes, you say most, there are many that do it only for an extra money and quit so they are not readily visible. because its a stigma they are not going to say it out loud, a sex worker made that point in the business fox channel the other day, as to your first point of course its consensual you cant make the same argument for most jobs that people don't like if anything working for minimum wage is much more exploitative
I don't understand the big deal. If prostitution was legal, it wouldn't be the decline of our morals in society. Obviously, these urges and prostitutes already exist. I have a simple solution. If you don't like prostitutes, don't buy them. More for me!
@rockos414 yeah but it allows the possibility for people to be run into prostitution which is monstrous and with every one grossed out looking away they wont have any protection from it
@craziestmonkey I think you're referring to women forced into prostitution. I'm sure each prostitute has her reasons, but I highly doubt there's some pimp with a gun yelling at some innocent woman, "Bitch, go to work or else I kill ya." If they don't wanna work, they won't. Pimping ain't easy.
@rockos414 sure there is they just dont call themselves pimps to your face they call themselves whatever and they run you out of the work force rob and degrade and starve you until you have to trick or die because no one believes the under the table brutality some men are capable of
@craziestmonkey That's a separate issue. Your first argument is Women forced into prostitution. Now, you're talking about the brutality of pimps. If prostitution was legalized, prostitutes could report this sort of brutality, without criminal charges, and have some decent working conditions. As of Women being forced into prostitution, I think it's bogus. Women can't turn down the offer to sell their bodies? It's like saying they don't have a choice. They do.
@rockos414 brutality of pimps is forcing them into it .good point on the possible report thing tho but doesnt that depend if its decriminalized vs legalized if they can get police protection.and sure they might have a choice to say no all someone has to do to force them into it is sabotage all other choices until it becomes the best option and an escape from dealing with sabotage but the reality is these are all hypotheticals that are me looking out for hookers lol and im not a pimp
@craziestmonkey No, brutality keeps women who are already in it, stay in it. They "might" have a choice? No, they do have a choice. Let's not enable prostitutes by saying they never chose that lifestyle. Alcoholics choose to be alcoholics, and prostitutes choose to be prostitutes.
We talked about this already, slaves and prostitutes are very different. A prostitute willfully works. A slave has no choice. By that definition, does that make sense?
Great broadcast but at the end the person on the left says "What is he, republican? You can't get more stupid"
Ironic as you are talking about Canada, we do not have a republican party (officialy) and the person you are talking about is center left in political alignment being a liberal.
Just thought I would point it out as you are supposed to be the people that are informed.
@keklolgloat he said republican as a joke, mainly because it sounds like something a republican would say, thus he asked a rhetorical question being "what is he, republican?". Twas just rhetorical/hypothetical.
On a side note, one of Sweden's retired police chiefs turned leading feminism advocate was recently convicted of rape, paying for sex, and pimping. Google or look it up on youtube.
Sex is a potentually dangerous beast either way. Don't allow it rape and murder go up. Allow it and disease can go ramped. As for my bible-thumping friend here The destination has many roads. And none the less repression breaths violence. Humans are in fact very sexual creatures. Even the bible says be fruitful and multiply.
We should follow the Swedish model. Make it legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy sex.
Target the men abusing these women and educate the public that prostitution is women and chils abuse and that there will never be gender equality until prostitution is extirpated.
@jgillevet Why does prostitution = abuse of woman and children. Most sex workers are free willed and of age. Giving them licenses and a safe place to work would help stop those degenerates that force women and let the police stop any underage trade.
This is straight from the booklet of standard anti-prostitution nonsense. Some women CHOOSE to be prostitutes. They choose to seek out men who will pay them for sex. That isn't abuse insomuch as it is a business transaction. If prostitutes are being abused it is by the people in their personal lives or by authorities.
Look at the stats. Most women were prostitutes in their teens forced to because they live on the street and were raped, abused and drug addicts.
Any psychiatrist will tell you that these women have no self respect or esteem. Even if a woman wanted to, it doesn't make it any less degrading to women in general.
As I said, make it legal to sell sex, but go after the guys that abuse women and kids by making it illegal to buy it.
@jgillevet you are wrong, why arrest willing buyers?? arrest the guys, or the buyers, WHO ABUSE, BEAT, DONT PAY prostitutes, dont just arrest for simply wanting to pay for sex,. Believe me there are many sex workers who like or don't mind what they do, consider the following, first of all if its stigma and its legal, so for that reason they remain a silent voice, they do the same thing we all do (sex) money doesn't make it more harfmull or more evil, its harmful only because its ilegal.
A lot of drug dealers were disadvantaged, abused growing up and are drug addicts themselves. Maybe we should make it legal to sell cocaine, but illegal to buy. We need to go after the buyers who force those poor souls to sell drugs.
Seriously, whatever problems prostitutes have are their own problems, just like everyone else. Lots of people had bad childhoods, were abused, are drug addicts, etc. They don't get a free pass- otherwise you'd have to empty out all the jails.
Sure, Steve. Then what is this whole debate about? I thought the change to the laws was supposed to help prostitutes stay safe? If your stance is prostitute problems are there problems then what do you even care about the changes to the laws?
You just want it legal to use some woman like an object and stairclimber that is abusing women which Sweden has taught its public. They have eliminated prostitution in their country by 75%.
It would help prostitutes to be safe. My point is prostitutes are responsible for their own lives just like everybody else. If a woman CHOOSES to be a whore, you can't run around blaming everyone else for it. The "prostitutes are victims" argument is basically saying that all women are stupid and can't make any decisions for themselves, like 2 year old children.
I don't believe they're forced into it, I think some of them are lured into it while they're young. Again, a lot of people are dependent on drugs, and a lot of people start using drugs or committing crimes when they're young. A lot of addicts commit crimes (robbery, b&e, etc.) to fund drug habits. I don't support giving free passes to whores to have no responsibility for themselves.
Again your comments about these women just demonstrates your disrespect for women in general. Makes me wonder if you even understand the issue at hand.
To help you understand the difference I'll use both words in a sentence:
1. The attractive prostitute's pretty face and tight outfit LURED [or ENTICED] John Whitecollar into paying for her to have sex with him, even though he had a wife & kids at home.
2. The group of armed men, brandishing firearms, beat and pistol-whipped John Whitecollar, forcing him to hand over his money, car keys and valuables.
Underage prostitution would be illegal whether or not prostitution was illegal. Also the stuff you said about 14 yr old girl being raped, beaten, etc. are all serious crimes on their own.
Reality of illegal prostitution. Blanket laws against prostitution typically don't bother to distinguish b/t whores under heavy coercion & those doing it willingly.
Well the decision is stayed until next year. Prostitution has always been legal in Canada. All the changes to these laws do is help pimps and madams.
It won't protect prostitutes. The poorer more deperate prostitutes are not going to give all their earnings to pimps.
Even if a prostitute worked in a bawdy house, if some crazy customer pays the pimp or madam extra money to abuse one of the girls, the owners of the establishments will take the money.
@jgillevet dude thats the stereotype, and true in some cases, but i already explained you why too many have to keep silent because its illegal and it is a stigma, that is the reason legalization is necessary, so they are not stigmatized to death for doing something we all do. putting it simple, we all have sex, just add the money, its not that different if anything the buyer is the one getting exploited. sometimes there is abuse, but there is abuse too in the absence of sex for money
@jgillevet you dont get it, its dangerous because its illegal. It will continue to happen, we either give them some degree of protection or not. pretending it doesn't exist by criminalizing it is a dumb idea . if legalized at least stigmatization will reduce. Where its highly regulated its much safer. You should stop hating prostitutes.
I don't hate prostitutes. I want to help the majority of women stuck in that life to get out.
Prostitution itself has never been illegal in Canada and the Swedish model would make the selling of sex legal.
Since prostitution has been legal in Canada, it has been a dangerous practice. How do you explain that? Do you think allowing pimps freedom to abuse women will make it less stigmatized or dangerous.
@jgillevet "Do you think allowing pimps freedom to abuse women will make it less stigmatized or dangerous."
That's a fallacious argument. Decriminalizing prostitution or doing away with laws that impede it does not mean that pimping or abuse need to be made legal.
@jgillevet im pretty sure parliament isn't that stupid. Im sure they will just re-write these laws in a way that it allows licensed body guards and servalence within the bawdy houses.
@Anth9aka Don't kid yourself. This was the quagmyre that just came up. If they did change the laws, there are no bylaws or anything in place to deal with these issues.
Police surveilance won't do a thing unless the Toronto police use it as an excuse to bust these places constantly which they probably will do.
Pimps will start recruiting women under the guise of "hired help" and using them for their own profit. More women will be on he streets and be victims for Robert Picton type characters.
Bawdy houses will allow the free abuse of women for a profit.
@jgillevet "Pimps will start recruiting..." That's already happening. My question is how the changes in the law will aid that. I'm pretty sure slavery will still be illegal.
@jgillevet "It's a lot easier for pimps to exploit women if it's legal doesn't it." If what is legal? If prostitution is legal? No, it does not make it easier for pimps to exploit them. It makes it easier for pimps to exploit prostitutes when prostitution is illegal, because they have much more to fear from going to the police when it is illegal.
@PriscillaRelentless you just made a moronic statement, no society that has tried to get rid of prostitution has been able to do it thats a reality!! . The driving forced behind it are sex and money,
the Swedish model is bs, its oppressive and still keeps it underground.
This Video has a few errors.
1. Canada already has legalized prostitution. What it has not legalized is the acts surrounding it. shortly put, pimping and other affiliated jobs, soliciting, and brothels are illegal. 2 The judge who overturned these laws is an Ontario provincial judge, a level below the federal court. This means that these laws will only be removed in Canada if the Supreme Court of Canada agrees with the judge, them which has not happened yet.
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The only difference between a "Christian" woman and a prostitute is that the prostitute is HONEST about how many men she has slept with.
Prostitutes are doing public service by giving sex to people who are short, bald, ugly, outcasts, wheelchair bound, hypersexual etc.
TimeGod12 1 week ago
Second oldest profession, somebody had to have something to pay with first.
specialcircumstancer 1 month ago
@specialcircumstancer oldest not first, the ones who were paying them(whatever that means in this context) may have been doing a job or service that no longer exists.
tuseroni 3 days ago
Im american and I just decided when I grow up I want to move to Canada.
ZaynabTheNinjaFairy 1 month ago
Prostitution is legal in most of Europe too..
Criminalizing it just makes bad guys make money from it.
jsgdk 1 month ago
The Liberals control Ontario right now have since 2003.
johnathansilveira 1 month ago
Prostitution was already legal in Canada. The part that was illegal was about locations. You can't pay the hooker in public, and you can not have sex in public. It must be behind closed doors. On top of that (to prevent whore houses), you can't have sex with a hooker in the same location more then once. You must get a different motel room every time you sleep with a hooker.
elfwall 1 month ago
Why is prostitution even a big deal? Buying is legal. Fucking is legal.
TheLunachick 2 months ago
Why wouldn' t it be legal the prostitutes aren' t making any harm ???
patyos2 3 months ago
P.S prostitution has always been pretty legal in Canada as long as you didn't make a public scene out of it. Because again, if a man and woman want to exchange money for sex... big whoop.
I don't see a crime here, do you?
orasis 3 months ago
Why not? Hey if a consenting woman and man want to have sex for money. Who the fuck cares? Not I.
orasis 3 months ago
LMAO "What is that guy? A republican?"
Exactly what I'll say.
killerboyfoolz 3 months ago
Promote autonomy and freedom for ALL, stop the senselessness and hypocrisy, and legalize pot and prostitution!
GFMarshallx1 4 months ago
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Men beware! of modern Western Women motives based on ultimate shallowness, vanity, and materialism. They oppose prostitution because it'll ruin women's plan to use sex to: lure with and deprive men, and abuse men with the false promise of sex, waiting for Mr. MD/Millionaire/Celebrity/Personal trainer to come along to set them up for life, in a sort of involuntary bondage to their meal ticket with “equal” marriage sucking the man dry, and force him to stay through the Feminazi divorce courts.
GFMarshallx1 4 months ago
Prostitution was never llegal in canada .
What was illegal was 1. Solliciting customers in public , 2. Having a Bawdy house , Brothel . etc..... and 3 . Illegal to have body guards , help from police , medical help , or protection was illegal to have for protituste
patyos2 5 months ago 2
It's legal in Australia, and takes place right in the heart of our major cities. The suburbs with these establishments are good, and have suffered nothing for it. The people I know who do sex work are good, happy people. Most of them are drug free, although that's not representative of all sex workers. They are involved in political activism and volunteer work. They are bright, productive members of society, and the only trade off is that we have to let go of our hang ups about sex work.
doloafing 6 months ago
THAT IS IT I AM MOVING TO CANADA
Mr12355732 6 months ago
actualy irt got shut down by the conservatives so it isnt legal at all
Andre1955 6 months ago
Is it not time that TYT speak about marijuana in Canada that has bin legalized!!!
Partyffs 7 months ago
ok, do you know why the U.S hates Canada? it's because of the awesome healthcare,.You always see and hear on american tv making fun of canada.
but in reality, it's propanda, the u.s is jealous of canada. proof? checkout our shitty healthcare,.
everymoss09 8 months ago
The young turks tell this story the worst way possible but what can you do they are like most liberal media( a bunch of morons). Blame that situation on Pierre Elliot Trudeau the worst prime minister of Canada, he made this charter of rights and freedoms and now look what has happened.
NAUBSAUBS 9 months ago
I IS STILL BEING ALIVE
I HAS VIDEO OF PROOFS!
MrOsamaBinLadenALIVE 9 months ago
the young turks are being incredibly ignorant. What they're supporting has been tried in the Netherlands and Germany. It does NOT get rid of the black market sex trade and it DOES lead to massive increases in human trafficking and organized crime. And geuss what, we already have legal regulated strip clubs and strippers still get abducted and brutalized every year. Get your heads out of your ideological asses and recognize something for the inherently wrong, dehumanizing shit that it is.
werdorino 9 months ago
@werdorino The definition of "trafficked" people in most studies includes anyone working illegally in another country. It doesn't take into account whether people are there of their own accord or are actually being enslaved. A sex worker who chooses to cross the border and work in another country to take advantage of better working conditions would also be considered "trafficked."
MissTemperence 9 months ago
PROSTITUTION WAS NEVER ILLEGAL!!! our government doesn't care that someone wants to fuck for money or fuck for fun, there was never a law criminalizing prostitution, we just didn't care, there is no law, TYT seems really uninformed with Canadian laws just like with what happens in our parliament
therealsporadicaarmy 9 months ago
Ana needs to be clear about about the laws shes talking about, its never been illegal to be a prostitute in Canada. Its the laws surrounding prostitution such as solicitation and running a common bawdy house which were unconstiutuional.
wikkidie 10 months ago
@wikkidie true, Canada doesn't want the streets to be full of "so how much for a Cleveland steamer?" asking prostitutes probably cuz it'll make Canada look bad, I'm not sure of what internet advertising like kijiji or Craigslist laws are, do you know?
therealsporadicaarmy 9 months ago
@therealsporadicaarmy Freedom of speech protects the right of sex industry to advertise. However, the RCMP asked cragislist to comply with their request to remove their erotic section which only made agencies/sp's start advertising on other websites. Canada tries to hide the underworld of the sex industry, but it does not try to eliminate it.
wikkidie 9 months ago
In Canada women are allowed to be topless in public. Another reason why canada>All
llamahamfat 10 months ago 17
@llamahamfat awesome
nottinmatterz2day 4 months ago
@llamahamfat That's only in Ontario, and I think Vancouver, BC. Also, to be fair, most of the year it isn't an issue. If a woman goes topless in Canada in January, she will literally freeze her tits off.
BrandonSchleifer 3 months ago
@llamahamfat
that explains the topless lesbian who was walking down our park during a baseball game. It was nice weather that day
ChaozXIII 2 months ago
@llamahamfat F**k you, I want be in Canada now.
MrNisse5 1 month ago
@llamahamfat who would wanna be topless in canada?
tuseroni 3 days ago
Ana can now move to Canada
BorgKing001 10 months ago
A Nordic model has worked, Sweden has had it for many years and has the stats to prove it is working. Amsterdam however where a legalized system has been in place has been pulling away from that system as it is not working and producing more crime. There is lots to read on this subject and before people weight their thoughts about it, they really should read more about it.
LilyLuka 10 months ago
@LilyLuka A lot of Swedish prostitutes would disagree with you on that. They still face a lot of discrimination. They don't have a lot of help available to them there's no harm-reduction measures, and they can have their kids taken away from them if they're discovered to be working as prostitutes.
MissTemperence 9 months ago
@MissTemperence In Sweden it is legal to sell just illegal to buy. A sex trade worker legally would have done nothing wrong there for no reason to take their children away. Secondly the money that is saved from not treating victims like criminals, is put towards prevention and aids to help women safely and successfully exit the trade.
LilyLuka 9 months ago
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@LilyLuka "In Sweden it is legal to sell just illegal to buy" Yes, I am aware of what the Swedish model is. I suggest you do some research. They're still subject to to some unfortunate discrimination, even in the legal realm.
MissTemperence 9 months ago
Canada should have privately owned hospitals in addition to the existing healthcare system.This would be great.
xxwzaebd 10 months ago
@xxwzaebd Thats called a 2-tier system. It may sound good, but if you think about it that would mean all of the good doctors would end up in the private hospitals and before you know it, public hospitals may turn into complete shitholes.
metaitachi 10 months ago
I live in Alberta and prostitutes are legal but using them is illigal
evilificationable 10 months ago
The Supreme Court also agreed with the Superior Court's decision. Right now its at a moment of resting until legislature can be changed. One of the reasons for decriminalization was because the original laws were meant to avoid a social nuisance rather than protect society.
itsquazart 11 months ago
Prostitution is violence against women. More then half of those who are working the street are aboriginal women, many have been trafficked most have been on the street since they were 14. If you would like to learn more read Invisible Chains by Benjamin Perrin or simply type into Google scholar sex trade, aboriginal women in the sex trade or murdered and missing women in Canada
LilyLuka 11 months ago
@LilyLuka Im pretty sure half the point to legalizing prostitution is so that that prostitutes DONT have to work for pimps who are often violent and abusive. Sort of like a strip club but prostitution.
metaitachi 10 months ago
@metaitachi Actually there is hardly any "pimps" anymore. Pimps now are the drug dealers who get these women hooked or their family members that throw them onto the streets. Legalization does nothing to to protect these women as the majority of women who are in the sex trade would in no way fit into a legalized system. I work directly with these women, none of the women want to be out there but their addictions and poverty keep them there.
A Nordic model is what is best for Canada overall!!
LilyLuka 10 months ago
@LilyLuka Well im not a 100% sure about what the canadian system is but i imagine that legal brothels could be set up. If they could be set up, that easily fixes the violent issue because there would be guards and bouncers around like in a strip club.
metaitachi 10 months ago
@metaitachi You are right you do not understand our system and you most certainly do not understand the issue at hand. The legal brothels would only take into count the 5% or so of women that actually want to be out there and the would actually fit into a legalized system. The rest of the women who are addicted to drugs, have HIV or Hep C or the many other STI sex trade workers come into contact with and all the under aged girls would still be part of an illegal system.
LilyLuka 10 months ago
I fucking love Canada...eh?
- awesome healthcare
- 19 year old drinking age
- cheap BC bud
- NOW WE HAVE HOOKAHS!!!
All we need to do now is legalize pot and we're good to go!
kjun13 11 months ago 52
@kjun13 Yupp come to alberta and you got an 18 year old drinking age and you can drive at 14 :D
Veggiegurl101 11 months ago
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@kjun13 18 years old.
twiggykat1 10 months ago
@kjun13 And it's 18 years old in quebec ;)
YamiSeigy 10 months ago
@kjun13 say goodbye to all of that and hello to Harperland
masterofoverkill2 9 months ago
@kjun13 I am not sure for the rest of canada, but in montreal(quebec) the drinking age is 18
mmanouvelles 8 months ago
@kjun13 We did!!!
yomamasapeach 7 months ago
@kjun13 That'll happen in due time, my friend... In due time.
xXMaJoRxSnIpEzXx 6 months ago
@kjun13 no it is 18 years old for buying alcohol (in quebec is still this;)
elfenoire01 6 months ago
@elfenoire01
The drinking age is 18 for the provinces of Alberta, Manitoba, and Québec. It is 19 for the other provinces.
priestpilot 4 months ago
@kjun13 Let's not forget Terrance and Phillip
AsamiTiger 6 months ago
@kjun13 18 here in AB WOOT!
Brad25255 6 months ago
@kjun13 its 18 years old in some provinces the drinking age .
patyos2 3 months ago
@kjun13 and in Canada the age of consent is 16 years old if it doesn ' t involve prostitution
patyos2 3 months ago
in alberta its 18 years.
yeah its awesome
Bigpussycat5 2 months ago
@kjun13 Where I live the drinking age is 18 :)
tomer3344 1 month ago
US and Korea are, unlike Europe and Japan, value-based societies. Thus the difference in attitude toward prostitution.
xxwzaebd 11 months ago
@daganliberal We just call them conservatives since
TMNTPIZZA 1 year ago
What's the Canadian equivalent of a Republican?
daganliberal 1 year ago
The whole "prostitutes are victims" theme is nonsense. If these women don't like being prostitutes they can go work as secretaries or cashiers. Most of them CHOOSE to be whores because they prefer to make more money and work shorter hours.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago 2
@steviesbackbitch
It most definitely is not as simple as that. Some girls become prostitutes because they're drug addicts and can't get a job as a secretary or a cashier (who would hire a drug addict?) and because of their addiction, they get in with pimps who keep them high and force them to go out on the streets. It's a vicious never-ending cycle. Or what about the young teens who run away from home and get in with the pimps as well thinking that they will be taken care of?
PeanutButterBlood 11 months ago
@steviesbackbitch
And I suppose all those prostitutes that Robert Pickton murdered were not victims?
PeanutButterBlood 11 months ago
@PeanutButterBlood,
Anyone who gets murdered is a victim by definition. It doesn't matter if they work as prostitutes, lawyers or accountants. They chose to be prostitutes but they didn't choose to be murdered.
steviesbackbitch 11 months ago
You guys are idiots. Just because it's been going on "forever" doesn't mean it's right. Slavery went on for centuries, was it right? NO. Give me a break. Take a look at all the EMPIRICAL STUDIES that shows legalizing prostitution INCREASES human trafficking. It's happening all over Europe, where young girls are forced by pimps to sell their bodies to old men. Current prostitution laws are not perfect, but legalizing it IS A HUGE STEP BACKWARDS. I am Canadian and the govt is APPEALING THIS.
1hmm2 1 year ago 3
@1hmm2 You could not be more right!!! We wont be helping anyone if we legalize it, we need a Nordic model in Canada. That is the only way to help the women in it and to help take on human trafficking!! As a social worker and woman I am disgusted at the thought of legalizing it!!!
LilyLuka 1 year ago
@1hmm2 ok but theres a big difference between slavery and prostitution slavery is taking someone AGAINST THEIR WILL and FORCING them to work, what u are saying about human trafficking is right but that doesn't necessarily mean prostitution has to be illegal laws can be changed so no one is forced into doing anything but keep consensual prostitution legal for example they could make it so to practice prostitution legally u need a permit (to get this permit u need ID proving u are over 18).
muntasir20 1 year ago
@muntasir20 Prostitution leads to human trafficking, and therefore IS MODERN-DAY SLAVERY. Some studies have also shown that legalized prostitution encourages impoverished young girls to enter the sex trade to make quick money. Yes, girls as young as 12! Also, the ID proposal is a terrible idea. Having hundreds of policemen patrol brothels to make sure every prostitute has ID is expensive, faulty, and not plausible. Legalized prostitution is not the way forward.
1hmm2 1 year ago 2
@1hmm2 but policemen are already patroling brothels the only difference is that right now they are arresting every prostitute but with the new laws they would only arrest those without a permit if anything it would be cheaper with the permit laws because arresting all prostitutes requires jail space and the country has to supply them attorneys (if needed) and the cost of keeping these prostitutes in jail and supplying them attorneys comes out of our tax dollars; as for the underage issue im sure
muntasir20 1 year ago
@muntasir20 In Canada prostitution in itself has been legal for a long time, but PIMPING and buying sex is illegal -- and the latter is what the debate is about. Prostitutes are NOT arrested in Canada, but PIMPS and those who EXPLOIT WOMEN/CHILDREN are arrested. This new law would make it legal for them to run brothels. Also, it is hard to tell the difference between a 17 underaged and 19 year old in many cases. You ought to give a serious thought about this issue -- how it will empower pimps.
1hmm2 1 year ago
@1hmm2 if what you are saying is right then i agree pimping should be illegal BUT individual prostitution should be legal, from the information given in this video it sounds as if they are saying that Canada has made individual prostitution legal i.e. when women stands on the street and does it; at no time in this video did they mention that running a brothel is what is going to be made legal
muntasir20 1 year ago
@muntasir20 I would suggest that you (as well as the YoungTurks or whatever they call themselves) inform yourself about Canada's legal system and laws before making ill-informed comments about prostitution. As I have already said, prostitution in itself is not illegal in Canada. Buying sex and pimping ARE illegal, putting the punishment on the buyers and pimps. What this new ruling proposes is to make PIMPING AND EXPLOITATION LEGAL. But I guess it's a good thing according to this video. SHAMEFUL
1hmm2 1 year ago
@1hmm2 in your initial comment here is exactly what you said "legalizing prostitution INCREASES human trafficking" note the legalizing prostitution part you did not say that legalizing PIMPING increases human trafficking reading the comment makes it seem as if you are complaining because of individual prostitution being legal, if you are going to complain about something i suggest you make it clear what your complaining about
muntasir20 1 year ago
@muntasir20 Nevertheless, your previous comments suggest that you do support legal brothels, and thus the exploitation of women and children by pimps. That's the problem. You even suggested that sex workers should get "permits," which in essence means that you support pimps owning brothels to make money. So please explain to me as well as the readers -- do you support legalized brothels or not? Because if you say yes, then you also support pimps. Feel free to use commas and periods as well.
1hmm2 1 year ago
@1hmm2 i do not support brothels BUT i do still support the permit idea; explain to me how having prostitutes required to use permits to practice their profession will lead to pimping
muntasir20 1 year ago
@1hmm2 continued: policemen can tell the difference between a 20 year old and a 12 year old just by looking at them and even if they cant they can ask for a permit (which they obviously wont have since the required age for obtaining a permit is 18 or older) if the girls are indeed underage they can be arrested and questioned to determine if they have a "pimp" or not or if they are just doing this for money (in which case the girl gets counseling)
muntasir20 1 year ago
@1hmm2 Continued: anyone without a permit will be arrested and their background will be investigated
muntasir20 1 year ago
the worst thing about this new legislation is that the Legalization of MARIJUANA was not first and foremost. Talk about why the fuck we haven't legalized it. I smoked a fair bit of pot in my day but never once bought a hooker. Pot is no more criminal than being a john. I prefer a girlfriend or wife to hookers but that doesn't mean the next guy should have to. PEACE
RavenMad101 1 year ago
Makes me proud to be a Canadian :)
KerraSeayWhat 1 year ago
im all for human rights but why should they be given a safe work environment, why should those drug fiends be safe when its them leaving intravenous needles and various paraphernalia on our streets for kids to pick up. street walking supports the drug trades.
Warcheiftin 1 year ago
well it goes much deeper than what you see on the surface, most girls if not all of them out there are working to support their drug habits, and are working for a pimp for the security who may also be a drug dealer, like cmon their not out there trying to add extra income to white picket fenced families. i get it, its an easy answer to their problems.
Warcheiftin 1 year ago
..if its the Ontario superior court it wont apply to any other province , i have a question for americans can u name some provinces and some canadian cities?
snowboarder1019 1 year ago
Prostitution was never actually illegal, everything that essentially led up to it and make it possible was illegal. Having a bordello, have a pimp or madam, having a body guard, talking about it, etc. was illegal.
MrAsaphelps 1 year ago
* * * CAM2.ORG = FREE LIVE SEXY GIRLS * * *
AshFirm12 1 year ago
i wish ana was a hooker
MultiTrollHunter 1 year ago
@CHLOTHARIUS,
1. Everybody has the same urges, but the ones with more cash can afford the prostitutes, the poor can't. That is why mid-class/rich men make up the majority of the whore's customer base.
2. A lot of regular women go for cash. If a man has enough cash for whores he'll usually be able to get regular women as well. Maybe only used up mid-aged, but something. That's why most men who pay for sex are married, in long term relationships, or have been divorced, separated, or widowed.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
The people who pay for sex are middle to upper class, often married men- doctors, lawyers, cops, judges, businessmen, ceo's, teachers, bureaucrats, politicians. Anti-prostitution laws are a joke perpetrated by hypocritical clowns.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
Prostitution might as well be legalized. Paying for sex is really no different from paying for milk, or a surrogate mother. Some people have such bad self-imgaes of themselves, or are truly unattractive, they feel they HAVE to pay for sex...
shmuli9 1 year ago
Laws against prostitution are a sham.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
I agree with you but you shouldn't say that conservatives are dumb because they don't agree with you. Seriusly man if you want a one party country than go to North Korea.
viper10011 1 year ago
Wow...
Your reporting on this issue was riddled with factual errors.
1. Prostitution in Canada has never been illegal; certain aspects regarding how it is carried out are.
2. Articles in the Canadian Charter have been struck down in Ontario, not all of Canada.
3. The ruling argues that limiting prostitutes' ability to work freely interferes with their constitutional right to safety by putting them in danger; it does not argue that prostitution should be regulated, legalized or anything else
stinkyeggs 1 year ago
THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL when Canada says its legal to prostitute but you cannot use a house to prostitute in? If its legal to prostitute then its no ones G D business as to which house she does it in because a house is one's PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DOMAIN. ITS ABOUT TIME NEIGHBORS AND GOVERNMENT MIND THEIR OWN F’ING BUSINESS
domram12 1 year ago
@domram12
They are talking about a bawdy house which is a public house not private.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet dude some pimps may abuse them because its an illegal unregulated underground environment. look at alcohol, aren't there problems that arise due to drinking?? of course, many, perhaps more than drugs or prostitution. but by making it ilegal altogether we not only punish one abuser, but we also end up punishing responsible users who are not addicts and dont drink and drive, that aint fair. i say legalize tax regulate.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
WHAT DO YOU THINK MARRIAGE IS? ALL WOMEN WHO RECIEVE MONEY IN A MARRAIGE IS PROSTITUTING HERSELF TO THE HUSBAND, BECAUSE IN RETURN SHE GIVES HIM SEX then she can get a divorce and can take his house and half of his earnings and alimony and child support. IMAGINE THAT. THE POOR GUY HAS TO PAY THE EX-WIFE PROSTITUTE WITHOUT GETTING ANY SEX IN RETURN. MARRIAGE=CORRUPTED PROSTITUTION.
domram12 1 year ago
IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR IF A MAN DID NOT PAY the more sensuous gender for a sexual favor or service because any and all sexual contact between them CANNOT BE EQUAL, so automatically the non-sensuous gender WILL BE IN DEBT TO HER and should be allowed by law to pay what he owes her. Women have an advantage over men because they can easily find another female where ITS ALWAYS AN EQUAL EXCHANGE without having to pay each other, but men DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME ADVANTAGE.
domram12 1 year ago
@domram12
This sounds like the speech Dabney Coleman and Dustin Hoffman made in "Tootsie". Something like "guys cannot commit because they would be the ones exploited."
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet AT 16 YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH to consent in Canada BUT AN 18,25 OR 35 year old is not old enough to recieve money for a sexual favor or service? WHAT IS THIS BULLLLLSSSSSHHIIIIET. AN ADULT 18 and over should have a right to make a choice to recieve money for a sexual favor and if government is so concerned then why dont they give these women a home-disease kit where they can test if they or their clients have any diseases or even aids if that was possible.Then the government can be of help.
domram12 1 year ago
@domram12
The question is this really concensual sex? Look at the stats. Most of these women whatever their age are forced and trapped in this "life."
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet Are you referring to human trafficing? THAT IS NOT TRUE because of those women or girls that are so called being trafficked, a very large percentage of them are free to go where they want to when they are not prostituting and have the freedom to go to the police but they decide to return to the pimp BCEAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO. Government is all too ready to put all the blame on the man.
domram12 1 year ago
@domram12
The stats, government, RCMP, former prostitutes all say the opposite.
jgillevet 1 year ago
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@jgillevet THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL when Canada says its legal to prostitute but you cannot use a house to prostitute in? If its legal to prostitute then its no ones G D business as to which house she does it in because a house is one's PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DOMAIN. ITS ABOUT TIME NEIGHBORS AND GOVERNMENT MIND THEIR OWN F’ING BUSINESS.
domram12 1 year ago
@jgillevet Becuase its ilegal, its underground so those thigns you mention happen.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@jgillevet prostituion is not abuse, prostitution is sex 4 money. everybody has sex, now money doesn't make it evil or bad either.The reason it is abuse is because its underground and illegal. now u still buying into the myths. those statistics are biased because as I already explained u. with its illegality and stigmatization, none of the prostitutes will be encouraged to accept that they like what they do or that they prefer that among some given choices. being forced to should remain ilega
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@Ddstairclimber
Yonge Street in the Seventies was an open sleazy hole and people turned a blind eye to it. Then a friend of mine was raped, tortured and photographed in one of those bawdy dumps.
He was then strangled and drowned in a sink and his body tossed on the roof in a garbage bag. And you want me to turn a blind eye again. Over ten thousand people marched to close those dumps down. Why do they want them back?
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet if u have sex with someone according to u is ok, but the moneny hey exchange a few bucks, ohh suddenly abuse??? I dont get your logic. if there is beatings, violence, that is abuse, and i have never suggested that should be illegal. in an illegal environment there is more violence, dont you get that. people in teh sex trade deserve the same rights as other people. its like making any form of sex illegal, so nobody ever would get abused.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@jgillevet your fact is wrong you are making asumptions based on stereotypes, you say most, there are many that do it only for an extra money and quit so they are not readily visible. because its a stigma they are not going to say it out loud, a sex worker made that point in the business fox channel the other day, as to your first point of course its consensual you cant make the same argument for most jobs that people don't like if anything working for minimum wage is much more exploitative
Ddstairclimber 5 months ago
we'll see this april of 2011.hope we get sex shops and legalize oxycotons for everybody,This will get the virgins outta they're homes:)
1988scottcarey 1 year ago
Hells yes we did
MikeEmery9 1 year ago
Thats only in Ontario tho not for the other provinces/territories
snowboarder1019 1 year ago
I don't understand the big deal. If prostitution was legal, it wouldn't be the decline of our morals in society. Obviously, these urges and prostitutes already exist. I have a simple solution. If you don't like prostitutes, don't buy them. More for me!
rockos414 1 year ago 16
@rockos414 yeah but it allows the possibility for people to be run into prostitution which is monstrous and with every one grossed out looking away they wont have any protection from it
craziestmonkey 1 year ago
@craziestmonkey I think you're referring to women forced into prostitution. I'm sure each prostitute has her reasons, but I highly doubt there's some pimp with a gun yelling at some innocent woman, "Bitch, go to work or else I kill ya." If they don't wanna work, they won't. Pimping ain't easy.
rockos414 1 year ago 3
@rockos414 sure there is they just dont call themselves pimps to your face they call themselves whatever and they run you out of the work force rob and degrade and starve you until you have to trick or die because no one believes the under the table brutality some men are capable of
craziestmonkey 1 year ago
@craziestmonkey That's a separate issue. Your first argument is Women forced into prostitution. Now, you're talking about the brutality of pimps. If prostitution was legalized, prostitutes could report this sort of brutality, without criminal charges, and have some decent working conditions. As of Women being forced into prostitution, I think it's bogus. Women can't turn down the offer to sell their bodies? It's like saying they don't have a choice. They do.
rockos414 1 year ago
@rockos414 brutality of pimps is forcing them into it .good point on the possible report thing tho but doesnt that depend if its decriminalized vs legalized if they can get police protection.and sure they might have a choice to say no all someone has to do to force them into it is sabotage all other choices until it becomes the best option and an escape from dealing with sabotage but the reality is these are all hypotheticals that are me looking out for hookers lol and im not a pimp
craziestmonkey 1 year ago
@craziestmonkey No, brutality keeps women who are already in it, stay in it. They "might" have a choice? No, they do have a choice. Let's not enable prostitutes by saying they never chose that lifestyle. Alcoholics choose to be alcoholics, and prostitutes choose to be prostitutes.
We talked about this already, slaves and prostitutes are very different. A prostitute willfully works. A slave has no choice. By that definition, does that make sense?
rockos414 1 year ago
Great broadcast but at the end the person on the left says "What is he, republican? You can't get more stupid"
Ironic as you are talking about Canada, we do not have a republican party (officialy) and the person you are talking about is center left in political alignment being a liberal.
Just thought I would point it out as you are supposed to be the people that are informed.
keklolgloat 1 year ago
@keklolgloat he said republican as a joke, mainly because it sounds like something a republican would say, thus he asked a rhetorical question being "what is he, republican?". Twas just rhetorical/hypothetical.
melchCody 1 year ago
Question: Does this mean if citizen of Canada. Offers a women money for sex online would be legal?
Asking a women to sleep with you for money is legal? in Canada?? now??
Thanks
adamrocks2006 1 year ago
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On a side note, one of Sweden's retired police chiefs turned leading feminism advocate was recently convicted of rape, paying for sex, and pimping. Google or look it up on youtube.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
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steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
Sex is a potentually dangerous beast either way. Don't allow it rape and murder go up. Allow it and disease can go ramped. As for my bible-thumping friend here The destination has many roads. And none the less repression breaths violence. Humans are in fact very sexual creatures. Even the bible says be fruitful and multiply.
playerd76 1 year ago
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hrist13 1 year ago
We should follow the Swedish model. Make it legal to sell sex, but illegal to buy sex.
Target the men abusing these women and educate the public that prostitution is women and chils abuse and that there will never be gender equality until prostitution is extirpated.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet Why does prostitution = abuse of woman and children. Most sex workers are free willed and of age. Giving them licenses and a safe place to work would help stop those degenerates that force women and let the police stop any underage trade.
hrist13 1 year ago
@jgillevet,
This is straight from the booklet of standard anti-prostitution nonsense. Some women CHOOSE to be prostitutes. They choose to seek out men who will pay them for sex. That isn't abuse insomuch as it is a business transaction. If prostitutes are being abused it is by the people in their personal lives or by authorities.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
Look at the stats. Most women were prostitutes in their teens forced to because they live on the street and were raped, abused and drug addicts.
Any psychiatrist will tell you that these women have no self respect or esteem. Even if a woman wanted to, it doesn't make it any less degrading to women in general.
As I said, make it legal to sell sex, but go after the guys that abuse women and kids by making it illegal to buy it.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet you are wrong, why arrest willing buyers?? arrest the guys, or the buyers, WHO ABUSE, BEAT, DONT PAY prostitutes, dont just arrest for simply wanting to pay for sex,. Believe me there are many sex workers who like or don't mind what they do, consider the following, first of all if its stigma and its legal, so for that reason they remain a silent voice, they do the same thing we all do (sex) money doesn't make it more harfmull or more evil, its harmful only because its ilegal.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@jgillevet,
A lot of drug dealers were disadvantaged, abused growing up and are drug addicts themselves. Maybe we should make it legal to sell cocaine, but illegal to buy. We need to go after the buyers who force those poor souls to sell drugs.
Seriously, whatever problems prostitutes have are their own problems, just like everyone else. Lots of people had bad childhoods, were abused, are drug addicts, etc. They don't get a free pass- otherwise you'd have to empty out all the jails.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
Sure, Steve. Then what is this whole debate about? I thought the change to the laws was supposed to help prostitutes stay safe? If your stance is prostitute problems are there problems then what do you even care about the changes to the laws?
You just want it legal to use some woman like an object and stairclimber that is abusing women which Sweden has taught its public. They have eliminated prostitution in their country by 75%.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet,
It would help prostitutes to be safe. My point is prostitutes are responsible for their own lives just like everybody else. If a woman CHOOSES to be a whore, you can't run around blaming everyone else for it. The "prostitutes are victims" argument is basically saying that all women are stupid and can't make any decisions for themselves, like 2 year old children.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
Not really. If they are forced into prostitution at a young age and are dependant on drugs, it is not really free will decisions.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet,
I don't believe they're forced into it, I think some of them are lured into it while they're young. Again, a lot of people are dependent on drugs, and a lot of people start using drugs or committing crimes when they're young. A lot of addicts commit crimes (robbery, b&e, etc.) to fund drug habits. I don't support giving free passes to whores to have no responsibility for themselves.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch Lured or forced into..what's the difference.
Again your comments about these women just demonstrates your disrespect for women in general. Makes me wonder if you even understand the issue at hand.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet
To help you understand the difference I'll use both words in a sentence:
1. The attractive prostitute's pretty face and tight outfit LURED [or ENTICED] John Whitecollar into paying for her to have sex with him, even though he had a wife & kids at home.
2. The group of armed men, brandishing firearms, beat and pistol-whipped John Whitecollar, forcing him to hand over his money, car keys and valuables.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
I was refering to the prostitute themselves being lured into the business at a young age.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgilleve,
Underage prostitution would be illegal whether or not prostitution was illegal. Also the stuff you said about 14 yr old girl being raped, beaten, etc. are all serious crimes on their own.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
And a woman who was lured into the business at a young age and forced into continue?
Ya, they are crimes in themselves and are the reality of prostitution.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet,
Reality of illegal prostitution. Blanket laws against prostitution typically don't bother to distinguish b/t whores under heavy coercion & those doing it willingly.
steviesbackbitch 1 year ago
@steviesbackbitch
Well the decision is stayed until next year. Prostitution has always been legal in Canada. All the changes to these laws do is help pimps and madams.
It won't protect prostitutes. The poorer more deperate prostitutes are not going to give all their earnings to pimps.
Even if a prostitute worked in a bawdy house, if some crazy customer pays the pimp or madam extra money to abuse one of the girls, the owners of the establishments will take the money.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet dude thats the stereotype, and true in some cases, but i already explained you why too many have to keep silent because its illegal and it is a stigma, that is the reason legalization is necessary, so they are not stigmatized to death for doing something we all do. putting it simple, we all have sex, just add the money, its not that different if anything the buyer is the one getting exploited. sometimes there is abuse, but there is abuse too in the absence of sex for money
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@Ddstairclimber
As long as prostitution has been around, it's has been stigmatized. It's a dirty profession that's always been full of dangers.
The whole point of this change in laws is the Robert Picton case. As I said, the change in laws will not protect prostitutes from people like Picton.
Get rid of prostitution altogether and you save lives by using the Swedish example.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet you dont get it, its dangerous because its illegal. It will continue to happen, we either give them some degree of protection or not. pretending it doesn't exist by criminalizing it is a dumb idea . if legalized at least stigmatization will reduce. Where its highly regulated its much safer. You should stop hating prostitutes.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@Ddstairclimber
I don't hate prostitutes. I want to help the majority of women stuck in that life to get out.
Prostitution itself has never been illegal in Canada and the Swedish model would make the selling of sex legal.
Since prostitution has been legal in Canada, it has been a dangerous practice. How do you explain that? Do you think allowing pimps freedom to abuse women will make it less stigmatized or dangerous.
You should quit promoting the abuse of women.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet "Do you think allowing pimps freedom to abuse women will make it less stigmatized or dangerous."
That's a fallacious argument. Decriminalizing prostitution or doing away with laws that impede it does not mean that pimping or abuse need to be made legal.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@PriscillaRelentless
That's EXACTLY what these laws are allowing. Pimps to legally live off the avails of prostitutes, run bawdy houses and abuse women.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet im pretty sure parliament isn't that stupid. Im sure they will just re-write these laws in a way that it allows licensed body guards and servalence within the bawdy houses.
Anth9aka 1 year ago
@Anth9aka Don't kid yourself. This was the quagmyre that just came up. If they did change the laws, there are no bylaws or anything in place to deal with these issues.
Police surveilance won't do a thing unless the Toronto police use it as an excuse to bust these places constantly which they probably will do.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet Can you EXPLAIN how these laws will allow men to start beating women with the protection of the law?
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@PriscillaRelentless
Pimps will start recruiting women under the guise of "hired help" and using them for their own profit. More women will be on he streets and be victims for Robert Picton type characters.
Bawdy houses will allow the free abuse of women for a profit.
jgillevet 1 year ago
@jgillevet "Pimps will start recruiting..." That's already happening. My question is how the changes in the law will aid that. I'm pretty sure slavery will still be illegal.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@PriscillaRelentless
It's a lot easier for pimps to exploit women if it's legal doesn't it.
jgillevet 1 year ago
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@jgillevet "It's a lot easier for pimps to exploit women if it's legal doesn't it." If what is legal? If prostitution is legal? No, it does not make it easier for pimps to exploit them. It makes it easier for pimps to exploit prostitutes when prostitution is illegal, because they have much more to fear from going to the police when it is illegal.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@jgillevet no its not.if it was egal there would be spervision
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago
@PriscillaRelentless you just made a moronic statement, no society that has tried to get rid of prostitution has been able to do it thats a reality!! . The driving forced behind it are sex and money,
the Swedish model is bs, its oppressive and still keeps it underground.
Ddstairclimber 1 year ago