This must be the 1986 incident. I talked to the pilot and remembered him saying that he took his Gumby out of his front pocket and said "looks like we got ourselves in another fine mess". lol
I do not Know about this!!! But I hope so much the people at the deck were be good! The Pilot, i Think, were so scary... But this member of staff in the navy is so to much important... Sorry my english!!!
I love the guy (2nd from left) who seems to be waving frantically at the pilot. "Uhh...pilot to yellow-shirt...no duh! HOW 'BOUT SOME F***ING CHOCKS!"
A few minutes before the accident the maintenance crew instructed the aviator to put the flap handle in "iso". This isolated the flight controls from the utilities, ie brakes, landing gear etc. just directing hydraulic pressure to the flight controls. No hydraulics to the brakes, no hydraulics to the nose gear steering. Any one could have told the pilot to preposition the flap handle, even the pilot. He was/is a good guy.
I actually worked on that airplane all morning, had to go to an investigation board over the incident, It was totally the pilots fault, he left the flap handle in ISO which is an airborn position that isolates out all the non essential hydraulic systems like brakes nose gear steering ect. nothing happened to the pilot but they busted the 1st class hydraulicsman. was not a hydraulics failure, it was a perfectly good airplane
@62hook Is that official? I am no one to say anything, but I think maybe its possible he rocked that lever back and forth thinking that was the culprit? trying to get the ground hydraulics back in? Maybe he admitted to everything, I was just wondering.
@frozenrocketguy I was in and out of that cockpit for about 3 hours that morning. the flap handle was in ISO. At the board I was specifically asked what position the flap handle was in. plus that is the only thing that will give the problems that he had - no nose gear steering, no brakes - 2 completely separate hydraulic systems. all the emergency accumulaters in the wheel well would not come up - that was the original problem.
@62hook Your post is new from when I first responded 3 years ago. U have to be kidding that they busted the First Class. Right? I never heard or read of that and I was there. The incident report indicated it was pilot error leaving the flap handle in ISO, so why would anyone be busted? R u for real or not? I retired from the Navy and was there when this happend. If u get this reply and don't mind contacted me, I would appreciate talking with an old shipmate that was there too.
Sorry man, couldn't log into this account since I never use it and forgot the password. Anyway, they pulled the CDI qual of a 1st class hydraulicsman, he was one of the supervisors. He apparently told the yellow shirt that it was safe to move the aircraft, It was down because of the hydraulic system gauges in the wheel well would not come up to pressure. If you have a cruise book, instead of posting names I'll give ya page numbers of who 's who, must add me as friend though.
LOL, I like how all the guys on deck are running after the plane. "Stop! Stop!" "WHAT THE HELL DO THINK I'M TRYING TO DO!" Maybe one of them should have stuck his foot under the tire...that'd stop it! LOL. I wonder who was at fault in this anyway? No the pilot I'm guessing. HOPEFULLY he knows how to put on the brakes!
I wasn't there and freely admit I am not a pilot, but I have one question. If he had a brake failure, would it not be possible to shut down the engine. I am probably wrong, but it appears as if the plane is under power as it is moving toward the side of the ship. Or was the plane moving due to the motion of the ship?
well, the decks of carriers are angled so the end of the take off "strip" is higher, so if he was facing towards the rear, there is a chance he was rolling down a tiny slope....and yes he can throttle the engine down, but the way it looks, is that he was already rolling too fast to stop by throttling down...also when you throttle to idle power, there will still be a bit of push from the engine. im not to sure shy he couldnt stop to be precise also remember the ship is moving so the wind can push
Thank you. I've never been aboard a carrier and did not know this. it makes perfect sense. Anyway, all that really counts is the pilot got out safely.
steering is controlled by the rudders, so if he had a hydraulic failiure, the wheel would do what ever it wants as a planes wheel should castor freely, but remember, if its failed, he cant control it. if the wheel wasnt dead straight (which normally it prob wont be DEAD straight) then he probablly rolled slightly to the right.
some planes dont have nose tyres that rotate (rather they have differential braking) but all carrier planes do i think,
I think most planes have steerable nosewheels these days, but not always. And if it did have a steerable nosewheel, it would probably run off the same hydraulic system that failed to cause the brakes to not work in the first place. I wonder why they don't design brakes with emergency systems so you can stop if you loose hydraulics. Like a built in CO2 cartridge, or something that would clamp the wheels if your hydraulics fail.
I agree with you totally, but have been in some sticky situations, myself. When it's all happening, it seems like the time to make a good decision is shortened by a heap. He probably jammed the rudders on, and just ejected because they didn't do what they should, when he wanted them to. If you were powering towards a 10 storey drop off, would you really think about anything else, but to save your own skin? I'd be looking for the ejection handle, and nothing else.
I wonder what the "success rate" (Or falure rate) is for a zero/zero ejection, under ideal condition? Like out of say, 1000 ejections under perfect condions. 1% fail? More? Less? Anyone know?
Ejections seats are very precise and are designed to fire ejection sequences down to the milisecond. Most ejection failures are due to the pilot failing to eject in time for the ejection sequence to fully work.
No doubt. It used to be even WORSE. The older ejection seats were more of a projectile charge, and spinal injuries were extremely common. Now the seats are more along the lines of ligimate rockets, but there is no getting around having to endure very high g-loadings directed right up the spinal column. Certainly no joy ride, but much improved.
In Canada, if a apilot were to eject, they are only allowed 2 ejections in a career. Your spine compresses permanently 1 inch(aprox). for an ejection.
maybe ejection seat stopped the plane? It sent the pilot forward so it should have sent the aircraft back, giving it a little but critical punch in the right direction?
Well at least he did have some time to turn off the engines(one or two switches mostly) and apply left or right rudder pedal, so it would've definetly stop instead of going straight and slowly overboard...! Or maybe he got paniked for some moment and just couldn't do anything!
Though it's good he didn't have to drawn in that plane, and at least, saved he's life!
Nobody was meaning about "the rudder", you can't steer the plane on the ground using the rudder, unles you you have a prop aircraft with tail wheel...!
Turning the aircraft on the ground could only be done with the nose wheel steering, but as someone replied before..., you can't have it working without hydraulic pressure!
In my opinion, this could have been even more tragic if they would have started to taxi this A-7 a little sooner. It would have hit that Hawkeye just launching off catapult 3 at the beginning of the vid. It's one thing to have a single aircraft mishap, but to hit another aircraft accelerating past 120 knots would have been disastrous.
The A-7 moves pretty fast at idle power. Jet engines don't idle they way the old piston engines do. It takes a lot of power moving through them to keep them idleing.
The pilot lost hydraulic pressure to his brakes, which also would have killed the nosewheel steering. Once the plane started to roll, there was little he could do about it, especially if the ship was rolling, which is probably was. This was probably the incident which occurred on the 1986 cruise. The date on the PLAT camera data indicates it was the 363rd day of the year, Dec. 29th, when the Vinson was just out of Perth, Australia.
@Analogman3910 We took liberty boats into Fremantle shipmate! Then we went to Perth. Get it right! LOL! So, you were there, huh? Remember going thru the Bering Sea right before hitting Austrailia? Who r u and what squadron were u in? Been 3 years since I posted under my old youtube name TheOneTheOnlyTheBob. If u happen to have ur account active and receive this, please respond.
Not true. The Vinson was capable of bridle launches, as were all carriers. What is missing from the newer ones is the bridle arrestor horn, which catches the bridle for re-use.
We actually had an A-3 onboard for part of that cruise, and yes I remember it used a bridle. The Vinson had that capability only on CAT-1 if I remember correctly; the ramp at the end that made it work has since been removed.
I was sitting in our VS-29 ready room, watching this happen live on the PLAT. What a trip to stumble across this! I've got it on VHS somewhere but can't find it.
PS - Visit the USS Midway Museum in San Diego. I'm a volunteer docent there.
no, it was because if we enterd without the publics support we wouldnt have been able to do much of anything, and pearl harbor gave the entire publics support to the war
yeah, that kind of happened with my car only I wasnt in it. I was doing the flight deck crew role and running histericaly after it yelling NO NO NO NO!!! I should probably get that parking brake fixed...... maybe.
The Pilot was my Division Officer, Lt. "G". I was in VA-97 from 1985-89, as a ADAR thru AD3(E1-E4). I was in Petty Officer Indocrination class down in the Chiefs Mess, when this happened. I was very happy that he was not injured, as he was a great Officer, and person! I believed he made Captain (O-7). Excerises the ship/airwing/battle group conducted around that time frame included Kernel Potlatch, and Operation Earnst Will, the escorting of oil tankers thru the Straights of Hormuz.
jet engine, steam catapult, angeld deck, radar, tanks, machine guns, carrier strikes, swept wing developments,Vtol/Stovl, all the thigs yanks pride them selves on, were invented by the brits, Oh and britain didnt bail out,they stayed on to take the brunt along with the commanwelth forces, get a history book, and read it.
It's damned embarrasing when one of my fellow Americans denigrates our British cousins out of ignorance--although I always thought it was a dead heat between Whittle and von Ohain as to who came up with a practical gas turbine aircraft engine. Three cheers for Martin-Baker!
I saw an A-7 pilot eject after his plane flamed out shortly after takeoff from NAS Fallon. The Corsair was falling like a rock and we were all yelling like crazy for him to punch out.
American ingenuity? The Americans toyed with a downward ejection seat. The Germans had spring loaded ones in WW2, but it was the British firm Martin-Baker who did all of the hard work to make what we now call an ejection seat.
Yup they are n Denham,Buckinghamshire Sir James Martin started with co-founder Capt Valentine Baker 1929 making aircraft but engine prob. killed Baker. In 44 Martin decided to build ejection seats to prevent such lose of life. Last I checked about 7200 pilots bn saved by them!
Well do you see any aircraft at all from where the point where he ejected ? Otherwise it disappeared after the smoked cleared off. Magic? LoL it fell into the ocean.
To all personnel that were there when this happened...How did you like the -80 to -120 below zero weather that came along with going through the Bering Sea? Remember those big shovels we used on deck? LOL! Boy, didn't it SUCK?! Australia was a nice port to hit for Christman though, wasn't it?! Contact me old salts. I am HeyImBak on AOL. Later.
I remember this like it was yesterday. This accident happen in December of 1986, squadron: VA-97, ship: USS Carl Vinson CV-70. It wasn't hydrualic failure or brake failure this is what happens when checklist are not followed. The pilot needed to move a handle in the cockpit to turn on the hydraulic fluid to the brakes. No hydrualic pressure no brakes. The Plane captain saw there was no pressure called T/S but yellow shirts wanted to move the A/C before the problem was fixed.
My God! I can't believe I am seeing this again too. Who the hell are you mcraughan? I was there, but not on deck. I watched it on the flight deck monitor in our shop. Contact me if you like. I am HeyImBak on AOL.
One more thing Bro. Remember the Tiger cruise we had afterwards? Remember the F-14 that was near the Island and it started sliding to port and almost went over, but caught the hard net? I was the green-shirt running for the chocks to try and save it, but some long-legged yellow-shirt beat me to them. I wish he hadn't, because he threw them from too great a distance and I believe I could have chocked that baby before it almost went over, cause I would have ran right up to the wheels.
That was one nasty time up there floating around those island in Alaska. My squadron crash landed a bird on the flight deck. Its fun to talk about it now but was hell while we were there. If I remember right that exercise was called Colonel Potlatch.
Colonel Pollatch? Your memory is better than mine. I guess the cold numbed my mind. Cold beer that is. LOL! Shit! I do remember...The First Time On Deck though...it was like stinging bees on the face due to lack of proper foul weather gear. We all ran below to stuff our cranials across our faces with rags. I have told rednecks here in GA about the -80 to -120 with wind-chill factor and they called me a Bullshitter. Tell them I told the truth.
All sea stories start out with "This ain't no shit" for a reason because it's the truth. We had an aircraf that need the fuel control changed out and the Handler wouldn't be the A/C to the hangar for repair so we changed it on the flight deck. We built a tent around the access on the A/C to block the wind then the engine mechs would take turns working in 5 minute intervals replacing the fuel control otherwise they would get frostbite.
I was on the ChuckyV from 86-90, I remember an incident where two guys ejected, and miracously landed (parachutes) on the flight deck.... I think the plane started going over the side (brake failure like this one), but got hung up in the rigging. I vaguely remember this one.
I was in VA-97, and spoke to the pilot about it in the days/years after. He told me how excited the rescue swimmer was as he got him ready to be hoisted in the helo. Apparently the guy was getting out of the Navy following that cruise and never had rescued anyone before. Pretty funny conversation to have as you're getting plucked out of the water!
Indeed, the plane was a "ready" aircraft and was being repositioned by the yellow shirts. There were lots of things that went wrong that day. The pilot is ultimately responsible, but if memory serves me right maintenance personnel had moved the flap handle to "ISO" to work on the hydraulic system. As well, there was some speculation that the system was disabled through another handle in the wheel well. Of course, it's all speculation because the plane went down in over 10k' of water!
On this aircraft there is no way that the utility hydraulic circuit of PC2 can be disabled in the wheel well. The only valve that existed is the accumulator charge vbalve that charged the emergency accumulators. Accumulator #6 which is for the brakes is not charged by the valve in the wheel well instead it receices the hydraulic charge through the ISO valve controlled by the flap handle.
When the handle is in ISO all hydraulic pressure is cut off to the landing gear, tail hook, wing fold, and flaps (the incorp of AMF to flaps off of this list). On that day the Troubl
This must be the 1986 incident. I talked to the pilot and remembered him saying that he took his Gumby out of his front pocket and said "looks like we got ourselves in another fine mess". lol
ecor7 1 month ago
@ecor7 that was of course after he was in the water.
ecor7 1 month ago
I do not Know about this!!! But I hope so much the people at the deck were be good! The Pilot, i Think, were so scary... But this member of staff in the navy is so to much important... Sorry my english!!!
adauto3000 3 months ago
I love the guy (2nd from left) who seems to be waving frantically at the pilot. "Uhh...pilot to yellow-shirt...no duh! HOW 'BOUT SOME F***ING CHOCKS!"
btw...love the music!
Red02Pony 4 months ago
I was on watch in the HS-4 ready room and watched the whole thing on the PLAT. Can't remember who got the rescue though.
edblouin 5 months ago
Very nice video, horrible loss of hardware.
Superegio42 6 months ago
A few minutes before the accident the maintenance crew instructed the aviator to put the flap handle in "iso". This isolated the flight controls from the utilities, ie brakes, landing gear etc. just directing hydraulic pressure to the flight controls. No hydraulics to the brakes, no hydraulics to the nose gear steering. Any one could have told the pilot to preposition the flap handle, even the pilot. He was/is a good guy.
tukmonk1 7 months ago
it disappeared! POOF!!
steezyrick14 8 months ago
@AJSimpson92x it went as we say " over the side and into the drink".
whemadre 10 months ago
It can't fly but they were smart enough to put in an emergency brake.
whemadre 11 months ago
Which aircraft was it?
wiesenbefeuchter 1 year ago
Would like to talk to an A-7E guy who flew it in the nineties!
wiesenbefeuchter 1 year ago
Exactly the music I would be thinking about, jumping out like that! I wonder if that was the IC-2 seat, or the IG-2?
AnPmechanicpilot 1 year ago
Even my old pickup has an emergency brake!! Lol
whemadre 1 year ago
@whemadre Your pickup truck cannot fly, nor retract its wheels.
mkarnerfors 11 months ago
Sounds like the Navy. Bust the seaman for an officers screw up.
whemadre 1 year ago
I give up. Where did the plane go?
AJSimpson92x 1 year ago 2
@AJSimpson92x most likely into the ocean
XKopaka85X 10 months ago
@AJSimpson92x
Off the flight deck and into the sea, water, oean, pond, drink..... what ever the correct Naval term is.
grumpyrozzer 8 months ago
thats crazy you can't even see the plane go off the boat. looks like a magic trick
heyrock011 1 year ago
I actually worked on that airplane all morning, had to go to an investigation board over the incident, It was totally the pilots fault, he left the flap handle in ISO which is an airborn position that isolates out all the non essential hydraulic systems like brakes nose gear steering ect. nothing happened to the pilot but they busted the 1st class hydraulicsman. was not a hydraulics failure, it was a perfectly good airplane
62hook 1 year ago
@62hook Is that official? I am no one to say anything, but I think maybe its possible he rocked that lever back and forth thinking that was the culprit? trying to get the ground hydraulics back in? Maybe he admitted to everything, I was just wondering.
frozenrocketguy 1 year ago
@frozenrocketguy I was in and out of that cockpit for about 3 hours that morning. the flap handle was in ISO. At the board I was specifically asked what position the flap handle was in. plus that is the only thing that will give the problems that he had - no nose gear steering, no brakes - 2 completely separate hydraulic systems. all the emergency accumulaters in the wheel well would not come up - that was the original problem.
62hook 1 year ago
@62hook Your post is new from when I first responded 3 years ago. U have to be kidding that they busted the First Class. Right? I never heard or read of that and I was there. The incident report indicated it was pilot error leaving the flap handle in ISO, so why would anyone be busted? R u for real or not? I retired from the Navy and was there when this happend. If u get this reply and don't mind contacted me, I would appreciate talking with an old shipmate that was there too.
TheBobTheBobTheBob 7 months ago
@TheBobTheBobTheBob
Sorry man, couldn't log into this account since I never use it and forgot the password. Anyway, they pulled the CDI qual of a 1st class hydraulicsman, he was one of the supervisors. He apparently told the yellow shirt that it was safe to move the aircraft, It was down because of the hydraulic system gauges in the wheel well would not come up to pressure. If you have a cruise book, instead of posting names I'll give ya page numbers of who 's who, must add me as friend though.
62hook 6 months ago
Man, those ejection seats are violent!
aws0415 1 year ago
at least it was 70 degrees f outside :D
fusionstar916 1 year ago 2
@fusionstar916 beautiful weather to eject in :-D
NikitasGuitars 1 year ago
SCORPION says: GET OVER HERE
hondaturbo01 2 years ago
:13 the deck crews like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?! STOP!
damaged01 2 years ago 4
LOL, I like how all the guys on deck are running after the plane. "Stop! Stop!" "WHAT THE HELL DO THINK I'M TRYING TO DO!" Maybe one of them should have stuck his foot under the tire...that'd stop it! LOL. I wonder who was at fault in this anyway? No the pilot I'm guessing. HOPEFULLY he knows how to put on the brakes!
justforever96 2 years ago
"hey buddy! the runway's that way....no...no....the OTHER way!!"
amartinjoe 2 years ago 2
Goood music wish I could hear more .
kurtinsferyew 2 years ago
I think it's the soundtrack from 'Capricorn One'
GRAHAMAUS 2 years ago
It's from 'Jaws'.
noryal 1 year ago
PS: He Saluted before he hit the water.
hyingst 2 years ago 4
I was there and this was one of my squadrons VA-97 planes.
What a trip it it to find this.
hyingst 2 years ago
I wasn't there and freely admit I am not a pilot, but I have one question. If he had a brake failure, would it not be possible to shut down the engine. I am probably wrong, but it appears as if the plane is under power as it is moving toward the side of the ship. Or was the plane moving due to the motion of the ship?
rickd248 2 years ago
well, the decks of carriers are angled so the end of the take off "strip" is higher, so if he was facing towards the rear, there is a chance he was rolling down a tiny slope....and yes he can throttle the engine down, but the way it looks, is that he was already rolling too fast to stop by throttling down...also when you throttle to idle power, there will still be a bit of push from the engine. im not to sure shy he couldnt stop to be precise also remember the ship is moving so the wind can push
abhiginimav 2 years ago
Thank you. I've never been aboard a carrier and did not know this. it makes perfect sense. Anyway, all that really counts is the pilot got out safely.
rickd248 2 years ago
i thought the steering wheel would turn the front tire - to the right in this case
pudd750 2 years ago
steering is controlled by the rudders, so if he had a hydraulic failiure, the wheel would do what ever it wants as a planes wheel should castor freely, but remember, if its failed, he cant control it. if the wheel wasnt dead straight (which normally it prob wont be DEAD straight) then he probablly rolled slightly to the right.
some planes dont have nose tyres that rotate (rather they have differential braking) but all carrier planes do i think,
abhiginimav 2 years ago
I think most planes have steerable nosewheels these days, but not always. And if it did have a steerable nosewheel, it would probably run off the same hydraulic system that failed to cause the brakes to not work in the first place. I wonder why they don't design brakes with emergency systems so you can stop if you loose hydraulics. Like a built in CO2 cartridge, or something that would clamp the wheels if your hydraulics fail.
justforever96 2 years ago
@justforever96 because the planes were meant to be in the air. 99.9% of its operation is in the air. the rest is just taxiing.
fusionstar916 1 year ago
@justforever96 they do have them. Most new aircraft have brakes running off the APU accumulator.
sniperbait940 1 year ago
it takes more than 60 secs to shut off engines and either way these tons of metal are quite hard to stop...:P
He obviusly forgot to test the weelbrake
i can imagine the time pressure the pilot has been into....
nightmare.... hope he survived!
iezekhil124 2 years ago
I agree with you totally, but have been in some sticky situations, myself. When it's all happening, it seems like the time to make a good decision is shortened by a heap. He probably jammed the rudders on, and just ejected because they didn't do what they should, when he wanted them to. If you were powering towards a 10 storey drop off, would you really think about anything else, but to save your own skin? I'd be looking for the ejection handle, and nothing else.
criticalmass181 2 years ago
Zero/zero ejection seats sure are amazing. It must be some ride.
gedgar2000 2 years ago 2
but not a ride I would want to take
Dragsterwiz 2 years ago
Me neither!
I wonder what the "success rate" (Or falure rate) is for a zero/zero ejection, under ideal condition? Like out of say, 1000 ejections under perfect condions. 1% fail? More? Less? Anyone know?
gedgar2000 2 years ago
Ejections seats are very precise and are designed to fire ejection sequences down to the milisecond. Most ejection failures are due to the pilot failing to eject in time for the ejection sequence to fully work.
AJSimpson92x 2 years ago
Imagine wiplash in the ass and neck at the same time. LoL
AJSimpson92x 2 years ago
you get really ass-kicked when you eject. I don't think it's a pleasant thing. It can seriously damage your spine.
aleclitvinov 2 years ago 2
No doubt. It used to be even WORSE. The older ejection seats were more of a projectile charge, and spinal injuries were extremely common. Now the seats are more along the lines of ligimate rockets, but there is no getting around having to endure very high g-loadings directed right up the spinal column. Certainly no joy ride, but much improved.
gedgar2000 2 years ago
In Canada, if a apilot were to eject, they are only allowed 2 ejections in a career. Your spine compresses permanently 1 inch(aprox). for an ejection.
kandem360 2 years ago
i was just watching the ejection and thinking damn he comes out fast, looks painful.
BJAC123 2 years ago 2
think of being hit by a 10ton truck at 30mph and you have somthing approaching an ejection sequence. however not as painfull as staying with it!!
fuzzdmedic 2 years ago
@BJAC123 you used to smash through the glass head first but now it opens
KartKing4ever 2 years ago
that pilot was so lucky that he has zero-zero ejection capability lol
airlord100 2 years ago
Did the yellow shirt really think he needed to tell the pilot to stop the aircraft? Which is why he was chasing the plane?
athena1976 2 years ago
Thankfully that didn't happen when a plane was shooting on the cat.
srinac 2 years ago
so the plane take a drink or not?
phadil 2 years ago
No. Miraculously after going over the side it never met the ocean.
panictactics 2 years ago 3
maybe ejection seat stopped the plane? It sent the pilot forward so it should have sent the aircraft back, giving it a little but critical punch in the right direction?
aleclitvinov 2 years ago
Yes it did! It's at the bottom of the Indian Ocean (I was there).
bakerjf 2 years ago
I'm laughing at the guys running after it. What are they gonna do, stop it?
cnralph 2 years ago
I would have thrown my body under a wheel!
I can be a Wheel chock if I want to!!
Skiiwa 2 years ago
Your all wrong its a BMW 1992 525i with a dodgy handbrake
rewirewi 2 years ago
LOL !!
rrvtjd 2 years ago
It's an A-7. The Crusader has a pointed nose. This plane has a rounded nose. It's an A-7.
rrvtjd 2 years ago
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This is NOT an A-7, it's an F-8 Crusader!
cirovela 2 years ago
Its an A-7, I was there.
AmericanBullriders 2 years ago 2
@AmericanBullriders ME TO WITH VA 52 ITS A A7 ALL DAY
kennycando1 1 year ago
you are WRONG, take another look
AIRBORNECOMBATDIVER 2 years ago
I dont have to take another look. there were NO f-8 on carriers in 1986
AmericanBullriders 2 years ago 2
Sorry my comment wasnt directed to you it was to that other guy who thought it was an F8, i couldnt argue with a sailor that was there
AIRBORNECOMBATDIVER 2 years ago
its an A7 because the part below the cockpit is wider, if it was an a8 it would be smaller
jaidrofire 2 years ago
wow, have you seen the blast of the ejection seat. Look at the guys to the right of the plane!!!
Haha it was them who were flying instead of the pilot in his aircraft!
UsedToFly1 2 years ago
Shoulda gone to kwick fit!
hawkmoon1704 2 years ago
Well at least he did have some time to turn off the engines(one or two switches mostly) and apply left or right rudder pedal, so it would've definetly stop instead of going straight and slowly overboard...! Or maybe he got paniked for some moment and just couldn't do anything!
Though it's good he didn't have to drawn in that plane, and at least, saved he's life!
Maverickf22flyer 2 years ago
total haudralics failiure means NO rudder
1littlelee 2 years ago 13
Thanks..., i was wondering why couldn't he make any kind of manoeuvres!;)
Maverickf22flyer 2 years ago
The rudder doesn't work unless you have airspeed anyway. Taxiing at 5 knots the rudder would not make any difference
jrrm3 2 years ago
Nobody was meaning about "the rudder", you can't steer the plane on the ground using the rudder, unles you you have a prop aircraft with tail wheel...!
Turning the aircraft on the ground could only be done with the nose wheel steering, but as someone replied before..., you can't have it working without hydraulic pressure!
Maverickf22flyer 2 years ago
do u know wat makes me laugh?
it looks like magic.. when the pilot eject, they are smoke all around. and when the smoke is gone, the plane is gone too..
looks like magic..
into the sea ! lol
jasonyeozhishen 2 years ago
In my opinion, this could have been even more tragic if they would have started to taxi this A-7 a little sooner. It would have hit that Hawkeye just launching off catapult 3 at the beginning of the vid. It's one thing to have a single aircraft mishap, but to hit another aircraft accelerating past 120 knots would have been disastrous.
backrotor1 2 years ago
Kinda makes you wonder what really was the cause. I'm sure there was hell to pay for this.
olchev 2 years ago
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He should have waited & ejected under water.
: )
GerryK61 2 years ago
Fast thinking on the pilots part... imagine though, one brake failure, and $20 million goes up in smoke...
ptschafer 2 years ago
Do you think he went straight under the screws??
bathroomdealer 2 years ago
Why the Jaws music?
aviationAD3 2 years ago
I'm getting one of those seats installed in my car.
c0unterph0bia 2 years ago 2
Pray that you will be given more than 2.75 sec. to:
1. roll seamlessly into trouble
2. realize that you are now in trouble
3. decide to take an irreversible, costly and dangerous action to save your own life
4. take the action
Survive the action you've taken.
tomnet2 2 years ago 5
I know.
I couldn't imagine having time to decide instead of the decision to do it.
xNlKEx 2 years ago
did he get eaten by a great white?
AreaQNH870 2 years ago
...and there goes another ton of tax payer money...
abhronsius69 2 years ago
The plane disapeard in smoke
Firefox2208 3 years ago
Lmfao the music
lvl4biohazard 3 years ago 2
Abra kadabra poof, the plain is gone
grapplingbanacheck 3 years ago 3
I was on this ship with an A-7 Squadron back on it's World Cruise of 1983 . This is in fact an A-7
tfrench38572 3 years ago
even in a total brake failure, couldn't he have cut power and turned the nose gear? Spin to a stop kinda.
DaLoner88 3 years ago
The A-7 moves pretty fast at idle power. Jet engines don't idle they way the old piston engines do. It takes a lot of power moving through them to keep them idleing.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
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Probably a female pilot looking in the mirror while putting lipstick on!
Toncor12 3 years ago
Oh Diss
terminator363 2 years ago
any experts out there, why did this happen? cheers.
vine139 3 years ago
The pilot lost hydraulic pressure to his brakes, which also would have killed the nosewheel steering. Once the plane started to roll, there was little he could do about it, especially if the ship was rolling, which is probably was. This was probably the incident which occurred on the 1986 cruise. The date on the PLAT camera data indicates it was the 363rd day of the year, Dec. 29th, when the Vinson was just out of Perth, Australia.
Analogman3910 3 years ago 10
Your Right ! WESPAC 86-87. I was there. V-4 Div. GRAPE BABY
AmericanBullriders 2 years ago
@Analogman3910 We took liberty boats into Fremantle shipmate! Then we went to Perth. Get it right! LOL! So, you were there, huh? Remember going thru the Bering Sea right before hitting Austrailia? Who r u and what squadron were u in? Been 3 years since I posted under my old youtube name TheOneTheOnlyTheBob. If u happen to have ur account active and receive this, please respond.
TheBobTheBobTheBob 7 months ago
for music that you get, I suppose that this plane was an F-20 "tiger-shark"
xD
mikemax69 3 years ago
no it aint a F20 tiger shark. they are much smaller.
This is defenitly a A7 corsair
UsedToFly1 3 years ago 2
F-8 Crusader, not an A7.
xtbird 3 years ago
F-8 Crusader!!!!!!!!
xtbird 3 years ago
it's an A-7, jerkweed.
ruel1072 3 years ago
you are right A-7. the Carl Vinson never operated f-8s, no facility for a bridle launch.
revnstpaul 3 years ago
Not true. The Vinson was capable of bridle launches, as were all carriers. What is missing from the newer ones is the bridle arrestor horn, which catches the bridle for re-use.
Analogman3910 3 years ago
We actually had an A-3 onboard for part of that cruise, and yes I remember it used a bridle. The Vinson had that capability only on CAT-1 if I remember correctly; the ramp at the end that made it work has since been removed.
bakerjf 2 years ago
Rode the rails at 0/0 WOW
KC8YOQ 3 years ago
wow.how do u explain that? SIR we lost a plane.how that happen..enemy fire..crashed?ahh no sir it rolled of the deck..
tokames 3 years ago 4
Cool! I actually watched this live from the VS-29 ready room on Carl Vinson! I've got it on VHS somewhere.
davidabarak 3 years ago
I was sitting in our VS-29 ready room, watching this happen live on the PLAT. What a trip to stumble across this! I've got it on VHS somewhere but can't find it.
PS - Visit the USS Midway Museum in San Diego. I'm a volunteer docent there.
davidabarak 3 years ago 4
My Father in Law served for Riley Mixon on the Midway. I actually did some work on his house a few years back.
akshona 3 years ago
what was it THIS time? Another stuck throttle, no breaks, total hydraulics failure, or some of all of the above? Oh well, it's only money.
imnazhole 3 years ago
poof! and its gone!
Familyguy098 3 years ago
this is really cool and sad how much money just washed away
rasikh10 3 years ago
OOOPS I bet someone got into trouble for this, LOL!! :)
Matthew3056 3 years ago
aircraft ejection seat was an Irish Invention
thepanzerknacker 3 years ago
My guess is the pilot was cussing because he forgot his arm floaties.
alderaforall 3 years ago
no, it was because if we enterd without the publics support we wouldnt have been able to do much of anything, and pearl harbor gave the entire publics support to the war
HUNDLEYGUY95 3 years ago
yeah, that kind of happened with my car only I wasnt in it. I was doing the flight deck crew role and running histericaly after it yelling NO NO NO NO!!! I should probably get that parking brake fixed...... maybe.
unexpectedtangent 3 years ago 8
god save martin-baker
1niudnereb 3 years ago
That's not a Martin-Baker seat. The A-7 uses an Escapac zero-zero-seat-
tornadowart 3 years ago
Long live martin-baker.
120473pc 3 years ago
and poof! the plane is gone. =]
96VideoAngel69 3 years ago 2
budy dont forget Australia and canada.
the battle of britain was won befor the US even got into the war so no the english would not be speaking german.
moakley 3 years ago 8
I like the deck crew running after it like, "What do we do what do we do WHAT DO WE DO?!?!?!"
ElPresidente101 3 years ago 6
I also helped "Bernie" and "Mac" change that fuel control, in the wind near the bow! Not fun in the Bering Sea, during Winter....
duski1966 3 years ago
The Pilot was my Division Officer, Lt. "G". I was in VA-97 from 1985-89, as a ADAR thru AD3(E1-E4). I was in Petty Officer Indocrination class down in the Chiefs Mess, when this happened. I was very happy that he was not injured, as he was a great Officer, and person! I believed he made Captain (O-7). Excerises the ship/airwing/battle group conducted around that time frame included Kernel Potlatch, and Operation Earnst Will, the escorting of oil tankers thru the Straights of Hormuz.
duski1966 3 years ago
jet engine, steam catapult, angeld deck, radar, tanks, machine guns, carrier strikes, swept wing developments,Vtol/Stovl, all the thigs yanks pride them selves on, were invented by the brits, Oh and britain didnt bail out,they stayed on to take the brunt along with the commanwelth forces, get a history book, and read it.
hmasmelbourne 3 years ago
It's damned embarrasing when one of my fellow Americans denigrates our British cousins out of ignorance--although I always thought it was a dead heat between Whittle and von Ohain as to who came up with a practical gas turbine aircraft engine. Three cheers for Martin-Baker!
Mikey300 3 years ago
And the rest as they say, is history...
hmasmelbourne 3 years ago
Oh my god that's wild.
I saw an A-7 pilot eject after his plane flamed out shortly after takeoff from NAS Fallon. The Corsair was falling like a rock and we were all yelling like crazy for him to punch out.
ErrikuStewart 3 years ago
American ingenuity at its finest maybe. But what really saved the life?- the ejection seat, and who was that invented by?- a Brit.
pineappletoast 3 years ago
Actually, the initial development work was done by the Germans, but Martin-Baker had the first live flight test.
Tiggs62 3 years ago
dont forget the pilot went in the drink aft and the screws are coming for him
cypris2002 3 years ago
do you mean he tasted the salty gust of sea water :)
lothar2048 3 years ago
Yes, but the throttleman would have "froze" the screws with Counter steam (opening reverse turbine, shutdown forward turbine) in about 3 seconds.
UnderseaCaveman 3 years ago
lol it's like magic...after the pilot ejected, the plane disappeared behind that puff of smoke, and when that cleared up, the plane was gone^^
superdan267 4 years ago
See the Hawkeye launch? I was there. VAW-114.
WOW!! I had a tape of this and lost it, moving.
Love that someone else had it. Way Cool!
LEEGEOJR 4 years ago
complimenti al pilota!!!!
bravo davvero!!! che guardava?? le donnine gnude???
battagliero79 4 years ago
basta leggere la spiegazione...si sono rotti i freni dell'aereo
valeriobert 4 years ago
acc... un italiano che capisce l'inglese.... credevo di essere l'unico ;-)!!!! (il mio intento era di fare una battuta)
battagliero79 4 years ago
pilot:"o ****!brakes!no brakes! flight controlers:"what the ****!turn!
iwantpk2 4 years ago
If the problem really was a total hydraulic failure I believe that the plane wouldn't be able to turn any way.
cristianomaddog 4 years ago
lol...brakes...BRAKES...you can just imagine what the pilot was thinking...
sandynathan 4 years ago 2
American ingenuity? The Americans toyed with a downward ejection seat. The Germans had spring loaded ones in WW2, but it was the British firm Martin-Baker who did all of the hard work to make what we now call an ejection seat.
That said - interesting video.
dyerasyd 4 years ago
Zero-zero ejections are awesome! I love that parachute system.
pmbbike 4 years ago
you all think way too much
zulvertho 4 years ago
DANG LUCKY MAN
chug26 4 years ago
Yes. The SAAB J-21 had a ejection seat and was probably the first one equipped. The reason was the pushing prop behind the fuselage.
hullswe 4 years ago
American ingenuity at it's best? I thought the ejection seat was invented by the Northern Irish (Martin Baker).
Crup78 4 years ago
Yup they are n Denham,Buckinghamshire Sir James Martin started with co-founder Capt Valentine Baker 1929 making aircraft but engine prob. killed Baker. In 44 Martin decided to build ejection seats to prevent such lose of life. Last I checked about 7200 pilots bn saved by them!
atom2009 4 years ago
And Im sure they still use the brit seats on a lot of the american fighters.
saltydog45 4 years ago 2
Got too or they wouldn't work!
Tallshipdreamer 4 years ago
Did the aircraft fall in the water afterwards?
GeorgeCVideos 4 years ago
Well do you see any aircraft at all from where the point where he ejected ? Otherwise it disappeared after the smoked cleared off. Magic? LoL it fell into the ocean.
CreativExplorer101 4 years ago
To all personnel that were there when this happened...How did you like the -80 to -120 below zero weather that came along with going through the Bering Sea? Remember those big shovels we used on deck? LOL! Boy, didn't it SUCK?! Australia was a nice port to hit for Christman though, wasn't it?! Contact me old salts. I am HeyImBak on AOL. Later.
TheOneTheOnlyTheBob 4 years ago
Man if that AWACS didnt take off right away!!!
api9mm 4 years ago
I remember this like it was yesterday. This accident happen in December of 1986, squadron: VA-97, ship: USS Carl Vinson CV-70. It wasn't hydrualic failure or brake failure this is what happens when checklist are not followed. The pilot needed to move a handle in the cockpit to turn on the hydraulic fluid to the brakes. No hydrualic pressure no brakes. The Plane captain saw there was no pressure called T/S but yellow shirts wanted to move the A/C before the problem was fixed.
mcraughan 4 years ago 2
My God! I can't believe I am seeing this again too. Who the hell are you mcraughan? I was there, but not on deck. I watched it on the flight deck monitor in our shop. Contact me if you like. I am HeyImBak on AOL.
TheOneTheOnlyTheBob 4 years ago
One more thing Bro. Remember the Tiger cruise we had afterwards? Remember the F-14 that was near the Island and it started sliding to port and almost went over, but caught the hard net? I was the green-shirt running for the chocks to try and save it, but some long-legged yellow-shirt beat me to them. I wish he hadn't, because he threw them from too great a distance and I believe I could have chocked that baby before it almost went over, cause I would have ran right up to the wheels.
TheOneTheOnlyTheBob 4 years ago
That was one nasty time up there floating around those island in Alaska. My squadron crash landed a bird on the flight deck. Its fun to talk about it now but was hell while we were there. If I remember right that exercise was called Colonel Potlatch.
mcraughan 4 years ago
Colonel Pollatch? Your memory is better than mine. I guess the cold numbed my mind. Cold beer that is. LOL! Shit! I do remember...The First Time On Deck though...it was like stinging bees on the face due to lack of proper foul weather gear. We all ran below to stuff our cranials across our faces with rags. I have told rednecks here in GA about the -80 to -120 with wind-chill factor and they called me a Bullshitter. Tell them I told the truth.
TheOneTheOnlyTheBob 4 years ago
All sea stories start out with "This ain't no shit" for a reason because it's the truth. We had an aircraf that need the fuel control changed out and the Handler wouldn't be the A/C to the hangar for repair so we changed it on the flight deck. We built a tent around the access on the A/C to block the wind then the engine mechs would take turns working in 5 minute intervals replacing the fuel control otherwise they would get frostbite.
mcraughan 4 years ago
Continued: That was one heck of a way to end a cruise going from +80F to -80F or lower in a week. Gives me chills just thinking about it.
mcraughan 4 years ago
I was on the ChuckyV from 86-90, I remember an incident where two guys ejected, and miracously landed (parachutes) on the flight deck.... I think the plane started going over the side (brake failure like this one), but got hung up in the rigging. I vaguely remember this one.
UnderseaCaveman 3 years ago
I was in VA-97, and spoke to the pilot about it in the days/years after. He told me how excited the rescue swimmer was as he got him ready to be hoisted in the helo. Apparently the guy was getting out of the Navy following that cruise and never had rescued anyone before. Pretty funny conversation to have as you're getting plucked out of the water!
bakerjf 4 years ago 2
Indeed, the plane was a "ready" aircraft and was being repositioned by the yellow shirts. There were lots of things that went wrong that day. The pilot is ultimately responsible, but if memory serves me right maintenance personnel had moved the flap handle to "ISO" to work on the hydraulic system. As well, there was some speculation that the system was disabled through another handle in the wheel well. Of course, it's all speculation because the plane went down in over 10k' of water!
bakerjf 4 years ago
On this aircraft there is no way that the utility hydraulic circuit of PC2 can be disabled in the wheel well. The only valve that existed is the accumulator charge vbalve that charged the emergency accumulators. Accumulator #6 which is for the brakes is not charged by the valve in the wheel well instead it receices the hydraulic charge through the ISO valve controlled by the flap handle.
mcraughan 4 years ago
When the handle is in ISO all hydraulic pressure is cut off to the landing gear, tail hook, wing fold, and flaps (the incorp of AMF to flaps off of this list). On that day the Troubl