*sigh* people that drive on like that pretend that they didn't see anything or too important to stop really piss me off. Cheers to the pilot that tried to crash land. In a neighborhood! Not a lot of options there.
Um, there are some really stupid comments on here. The pilot hit the light pole as a result of trying not to hit the SUV. It was an excellent and skillful attempt at a forced landing.
The pilot spared the lives of those on the ground, and the other pilot. He is a hero. May he rest in peace. It's ridiculous to read pilots second-guessing this brave person's efforts -- all while seated comfortably in their lazy-boys. Absurd. (I am a commercial pilot multi/single engine - and I was the musician
@lardman2228 You don't want to "pitch up" to lose the airspeed, you want to level off to get to best glide, and then trim the aircraft for that speed.
The thing to remember for anyone criticising this piloting is that 172s glide like anything, and if you're used to flying something that doesn't glide so well, you're pretty well screwed if you pick a field that's slightly too small
@CFITOMAHAWK2 How can you judge an emergency landing until you are actually in the left seat? It's easy to say that making the golf course would be easy until you are the one with seconds to decide. Being a CFI has nothing to do with this situation. They were two pilots out flying and things went wrong over a populated area. They both had experience, I know this for a fact. Read the accident report. It's been over 6 years since the crash and I still miss my friend. RIP Dan!
Very Simple Rule: Pitch for airspeed and Power for Altitude. It's counter-intuitive, but if you pitch that plane up at a slow airspeed you will initially feel like you are rising, but all a pilot is doing is losing airspeed.
@AltAirPilot517 Well they were in front of the plane crash and realistically....what could they do to help although yah they should have stopped even just to call emergency services' or something.
I have travelled in a small plane like this and I feel what these planes lack is proper restraint airbag systems like in cars...my SUV has 8 airbags, but the cessna/piper doesn' thave even 1. I think FAA should change this rule immediately. (All other issues like running out of gas, etc are due to pilot error, no doubt).
Hold on, the newer Cessna 172,182's do have (1) airbag located on the lower portion of the seatbelt.( I know it's hard to believe). I'm not saying that it will help much, LOL
If it is a stall spin accident, it probably won't do any good. But if it is an accident like this where the velocity of the airplane is reduced from 40-55mph to zero in seconds, airbags will help prevent head impact on the dashboard due to inertia...small planes are very confined in space, so it is needed to prevent head injury.
@ncheriyan The airbags are almost not necessary because most plane crashes where the plane will stop almost immediately are not survivable, unlike cars where 90 percent of the crashes are survivable with an airbag...the only thing i see the airbag doing is adding weight and making it harder to leave the aircraft in a hurry.
WTF!? CAR!? WTF!? if i saw a plane NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS flying that low in front of me, I'M GOING TO BE STOPPING! "oh hey look, plane that is out of control and about to crash, LETS KEEP DRIVING AND GET CLOSER TO IT!" i mean really? then he just keeps going.... what is with people
Well, I wasn't there. I wouldn't comment if I weren't a pilot. The angle doesn't really show why he may have ultimately flown the path he did. I am sure he was a very decent pilot, and I am sad that he and his fellow pilot are not with us. We are all experts in our minds....until the time comes! You'd like to hope there was a better flight path, and I am a good stick and rudder fellow (and airspeed is life), but many of us flyers should learn from good pilots who ran out of room. Don't judge.
The pilot that died was one of my friends. I still remember that day and getting the phone call that he died. Seriously one of the worst days of my life. He was a great guy!
Both pilots in the plane were instructors. There were no students. He didn't die immediately, like the comment says, he died in surgery.
@AFClydeman How can 2 instructors on an easy to fly and land 172 on a Golf Course overshoot it by not Forward Slip. then try to land on a road next to houses and electrical wires and poles. They were too worried sitting on their seats after pooping themselves whe engine quit. Some Chicken CFI's they certify in USA (read buy the license). I flew over that area a few months later and did an approach to that Golf course.
@CFITOMAHAWK2 I'm sorry, have you successfully piloted that particular aircraft in a safe forced landing onto a golf course? You don't know what went on in that aircraft and neither do I but at least I'm not judging the piloting capabilities of a dead man based on the outside view of it.
@lardman2228 I landed C-172's on grass runways hundreds of times. Can't you see they needed to do a forward slip instead of going to the road and wires and houses? Those two guys had over $100,000 in USA training and hours and neither could do do a forward slip to save themselves? WTF. Those two CFI's are famous around the world as an example of USA Chicken CFI's by Flight Schools around the world. They show this video & other CFI crashes to students that want to come to USA for training.
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Exactly, grass runways, not golf courses. Maybe there were trees in the way, maybe the PinC decided that there wouldn't be enough room to land in the golf course and decided to take the road, not noticing the power lines. It's so easy to speculate, but in that situation, you and I and most other pilots out there apart from the best, would be load shedding like anything with an engine failure. Also remember that you're seeing the situation at a different angle, not from the cockpit.
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Its easy to make comments about a crash like this when you me and the rest of the youtube community has never been in situation like this, when I was a student pilot I had an engine failure with my flight instructor luckily he was a great pilot and landed the plane dead stick with no injuries or damage done to the aircraft and I can tell you nothing can explain the fear that you have in a situation like this, ohh and by the way I learned how to fly in the U.S. . . show some respect
When i was flying with my instructor we had an engine problem. The baffle came loose and was rattling around making the plane shake. Luckily we were transitioning Bradley's class C airspace flying right over the airport. The first thing my instructor did was put it into a slip to get down to the runway.
True: Best practice is flying a "tight"" downwind, pull the engine, simultaneously pointing the nose to the threshold and establishing and maintaining glide-speed! Once runway is made, full flaps and gear! It's easy if you practice! On the take-off leg, roll the nose over immediately and depending on altitude, land ahead or half standard rate turns to get you where you want to be!
The sad part in all this isn't the only the fact that this guy crashed his airplane but there is a car right next to the plane as it smashed into the telephone pole and he just keeps driving by instead of seeing if they could help, thats the true sadness in this video.
Looks like he was going for the road after overshooting the golf course and at the last minute tried to avoid the van causing him to fly into the electric wires. I'm not sure why he didn't have the flaps extended once he had the field made. Goes to show how your brain can shrink up in a real emergency, even for a CFI. Nice video catch!
@tbomgwtf Likely the wheels will "dig in" to the water and cartwheel the airplane violently. If you have wheels and can't retract them (fixed gear) you are usually better off on some solid surface rather than a lake or the ocean.
@tbomgwtf The dude that tought my dad how to fly had once an engine failure and water-landed some small plane. Im not sure which one but I know it had a low wing cuz he did such a good job that by the time the rescue boat came to him they found the dude chilling sitting in the wing :-) the guy is still around but I dont think he teaches anymore. This was at the Gran Canaria aeroclub, Spain :-)
It depends. If you have some speed, you may want to keep level or even climb until you reach best glide speed and then nose over to maintain this. This could help to hop over possible obstacles.
But it really depends on speed and height.
For the low hour pilot, I suggest nose down since the thrust-drag couple is designed to pitch nose down anyway.
Trying to raise the nose if you are not experienced, may worsen the situation (stall, spin etc...).
@zsifk Hey I just have to confess that my big fat fingers hit the thumbs down button on my iPhone when I was scrolling through. I actually agree with you. For that matter it's not really an issue to debate one way or the other. Just always pitch for best glide speed. Sometimes up, sometimes down, but always best glide.
Seeing things like this is just so tragic. Also, after something as such happening and the student surviving he is probably going to be frightened from flying for the rest of his life. I sure hope not, flying is one of the most beautiful things in the world.
flying maybe beautiful but unfortunately, these old piston engines are electronics will become unreliable! time for FAA to grow some balls and deem these planes unairworthy!
I partially agree. But I mean the good thing about these planes is they are still very fly worthy, I fly 152s and 172s and to me it's like they're new aircrafts. Yes, they may be old but some are still in perfect conditions.
There was nothing wrong with the engine. The cause of the engine failure was improper maintenance. Old piston engines are just a reliable as new ones as long as the overhaul times are not exceed which commonly happens on personal aircraft. Planes used for instruction or rental are mandated to be rebuilt but no mandate on personal craft..
@lavakava what? well you better deem your car as un-drive worthy, not ONLY because your the one driving but also these old piston engines are in every forwardly prepulsed aircraft and car and vehicle other than turbine engines... so unless you got a flux capacitor on the back of your shitty station wagon... go back to playing fsx and masturbating you ignorant little kid...
@lavakava Jesus christ man, do you have any background in aviation at all? Flying is safer than driving, these old piston engines are the best out there. Every pilot out there has flown a piston engine aircraft, most pilots that work for airlines and fly jets have over 1000 hours flying time in a piston engine aircraft. Learn some basic air tech.
you would have to know at what altitude the guy knew he had to make an emergency landing, and if that street was his best option as it does look like a complete fuck up.
if it was right after take off it might have been the best he could do and really if the engine cut you cant blame the guy for doing his best
Someone queried my comment about PITCHING DOWN during an engine failure!
Lesson (1) Loss of power/engine failure during take-off atitude (pitched up) results in immediate loss of airspeed! What do you do, PITCH DOWN immediately to establish glide speed (aviate), determine altitude (AGL) (navigate) to your forced landing spot, then Communicate your intentions!
I know it is difficult not to hold the nose up to preserve or gain altitude, must you will die in a stall, PITCH DOWN!!!
@davidsholem i'm sure the instructor knew this. It's easy to say what you wouldn't done in the situation but it's harder to do so in a real emergency.
@davidsholem Agreed, but some Pipipilots can't push the nose down. They Pull up when need to push down, specially on Take off Engine Failures. They will kill someone eventually. They Panic Pull and freeze on close to ground emergencies.
@davidsholem normally you would pitch up.....the best glide speed in the 172 is 68 knots...normally if your flying along your going more than 68 knots. so you pitch up to gain altitude and maintain 68.
@davidsholem - Well said but I disagree slightly, mind you I did not read your previous post... When you lose engine power you do not always pitch down, you pitch to achieve your best glide speed. If you're cruising along at 100 kts in a C172 and the engine goes, you would pitch to maintain altitude while the airspeed decreases. Once the airspeed has dropped to best glide, you then pitch forward to maintain that airspeed. Why give up preacious altitude by going into a premature dive?
@davidsholem I've been taught to pitch up in the event of an engine failure. Chances are, your airspeed before the failure is going to be higher than the glide speed for the aircraft. Surely you must pitch up then?
Of course if you're too high on approach for your field then you can pitch right down to get the aircraft in there and slow down with flaps, but initially wouldn't you pitch up to obtain best glide speed?
@lardman2228 There a vid of an F-16 losing power where the pilot does exactly that, immediately. That gave them enough time to try a restart, turn toward a safe place to ditch the plane, and eject with altitude to spare.
@malamagr Oh, well F-16s are a bit different from C172s. F-16s aren't built to glide, they're built to fly with huge amounts of thrust and have high speed wings instead of high lift or general purpose wings. It's the speed in an F-16 that keeps it in the air. Whereas with a C172, they have general purpose wings, they give a good combination of lift and speed and can fly quite slowly (with a best glide speed of 65 knots). So I guess the pitch up/pitch down dilemma depends on the plane you fly.
@8literbeater WTF... you are raelly good about talking shit about stuff you know nothing about. One dead, one critically hurt and you are an arm chair quarterback stepping up to say something about poor instruction. Why don't you go talk shit about something you know something about - like Nintendo and Atari and leave aviation alone until you know something.
Right, armchair. How the he'll would you be able to say what I know or don't know? Idiot. Okay then, one dead, one critically injured because of an INSTRUCTOR that MISSED A GOLF COURSE! But hey, I'm sure he was great. That unused runway behind him is proof of what a good instructor he was, and the open green that was 100 feet to his right, followed by a parking lot. No, he was shooting for an occupied street, between trees, with powerlines to boot. Talking shit would be moot. Dumbass.
@8literbeater totally agree with you. That CFI sort of panicked, didn't slip due to fear neither changed direction to the right, Just kept going to the busy and obstructed road. The poles with transformers are visible from above.
I have flown with some "chicken CFI"'s
that can't slip either, they sort of freeze on emergencies. So they avoid practice them to the end.
Statement by student to NTSB: When the flight was close to the ground "...we realized that we were going to have to make a steep approach. Dan put in all the flaps and did his best to fly down the fairway, keeping clear of all people and obstacles. Dan made a last minute decision to go to the left to possibly fly and land on the road, when we collided with the power lines, then the power pole which is where we came to rest. I remember very little after that."
Also according to student's statement: The CFI made several s-turns to lose altitude, an approached the golf course fairways from an easterly to westerly direction. It appeared that the aircraft was going to overfly the point of intended landing, but the CFI did not slip the aircraft to lose altitude.
So after considering your response, I must admit, I could only speculate what was going on in the video, based on my own training and experience. (yes I fly real airplanes, that's not the point) but after reviewing the official report, my speculation was confirmed, and then some. The instructor was in fact a poor instructor that didn't follow the rules, and my opinion stands. Furthermore I suspect that you are related to him, since you defended him when he was wrong, and you're both idiots!
NTSB: A review of the "Pilot's Operating Handbook" revealed an emergency procedure dealing with "Low Oil Pressure." The amplied procedure indicates, "If a total loss of oil pressure is accompanied by a rise in oil temperature, there is good reason to suspect an engine failure is imminent. Reduce engine power immediately and select a suitable forced landing field. Use only the minimum power required to reach the desired touchdown spot."
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The failure of the CFI to initiate a precautionary landing after noticing zero oil pressure with corresponding oil temperature increase, resulting in total loss of engine power due to oil exhaustion.
@flapsdwn and another thing, What's all this bullshit you're arguing in favor of this crappy instructor about being so "close to the departure end of the runway at low altitude?" He was over 2000' MSL when the engine lost oil pressure! he then flew well over 5 minutes with no oil pressure!! 2000 MSL in this area is almost 2000 AGL. The engine quit between 2000 and 1500 feet above ground level. NO REASON FOR THIS CRASH look at the map, he had plenty of options to land, especially other roads
I agree with you! there were plenty of options around...still wondering why he chose the narrow road with powerlines. any pilot should know powerlines are deadly for pilots (remember the new palo alto crash killing 3 tesla motors employees).
he could have just landed on the right and hit a few small bushes and it would have been a lot safer.
@flapsdwn the pole he hit, and the sand traps are on the northeast corner of W Par street and Eagle blvd in Orlando Florida, google map it, he was traveling from east to west
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america needs to clean up its cities. we claim we are the superpower with the most advanced technology yet we have these pathetic overhead electric lines that are so primitive. go to some modern middle eastern country like UAE or qatar or something, and you will see all the electric cables are underground...none of these ugly death traps.
shame why nobama and dubya couldn't spend money to fix america instead of wars with some cavemen.
Not true at all. i was in dubai for several years and never once we had a power failure even when they had a desert storm. and dubai is a glamorous city and uses a lot of electricity.
Underground lines lead to much higher losses during transmission than overhead lines. They also cost countless times more to lay.
Dubai generates it's power with Diesel generators very close to it's point of consumption thus power does not need to travel 100's of miles from the point of generation to the point of use like it does in the United States.
The only point of underground electricity is the please the eyes of dumbasses like yourself, who have no comprehension of anything that makes the world go round.
Agreed! However, its pilot's responsibility to know the terrain underneath and try to attempt landing in a long wide field instead of a small road with overhead wires that you can't see until you are like 100 feet AGL.
@lavakava you are completely ignorant. Do you have ANY idea how much money it would cost to replace all cables, now that the cities which they feed are built?
It's all very well putting cables underground and then building new cities on top of them, but as an builder will know, taking something away/stripping in back and rebuilding is a MASSIVE undertaking and quite beyond the reasonable means of any modern country. Including YOURS.
Ok dumb shit instead of blaming Obama for something that isn't even remotely his fault why don't you get your facts, blame the electric companies for that and if you do go to one of our advanced cities like NYC, Las Vegas, or Chicago guess what... the electrical lines are underground holly shit imagine that, and those cities have been around a-lot longer. Plus you tell me how Obama is supposed to fix all the power lines to underground in just 2 years. Also btw Bush started that war not Obama.
Call me what you will doesn't change the fact that you have it wrong. Why would you post something accusing someone of screwing up when they have nothing to do with the problem even then there really is no problem.
@lavakava well you do know that burying power lines costs about 5-7 times more than having overhead lines. The reason they bury them in UAE is probably because the terrain is far more easily excavated and they would need to import the wood or metal for poles and that makes burying them seem more reasonable. But most new areas have buried lines, you can't go and dig up major city streets to bury them after the fact.
@selgemm So what? They're far more expensive, when a problem occurs and something needs fixing, it takes an ultra long time to locate the issue vs. above ground lines, and another major thing is that the power needs to be compeltely shut off through those ground lines when someone is working on them because they are next to the ground, whereas poles can be worked on while live. So you need to shut the power off to maybe a large number of people to fix something. All so things look pretty..
@lavakava haha, u compare the usa to the uae??? you know they got oil. oil = money...
there is never an accident because of an overhead cables in switzerland. you have to make FLYING save , not crashing!! so you have to make sure that all airplanes in the country work well, and you have to check them frequently!! im sure a lot of american airplanes wouldnt be allowed to fly in switz. IM SURE MEANS I KNOW IT
it seems like the pilot was trying to avoid the hummer. the inconsiderate bastard in the hummer could have pulled over seeing and hearing the plane behind him.
im a student pilot, our CFI's say try to avoid landing on the roads because your just going to get someone hurt watch the vid theres a skinny little road with people and poles and power cables and noones going to see u when they are driving and then theres a big open golf coarse with the occasional sand trap, think about it golf coarse by far the most appropriate place to land in his situation, i saw 3 sand traps, i also saw 9 poles and 4 cars plus all the trees on both sides of the street. hmmm
It depends. Each case is going to be different. I was taught that freeways are good because traffic is going pretty close to the approach speed for a 152/172 and you can merge from above. Golf courses have a lot of trees, and a par five is around 500 yards/1500' which isn't very much room to land anything lol. So it depends, but always remember to fly the damn plane first.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate!
Btw I don't fly anymore but have about 800 hours dual given.
Get a new CFI! The worst senario is ditching, landing on water, for the ability to keep the aircraft from cartwheeling is very difficult - however, as we have seen, you land anywhere you can!!!
he would have survived if fucking faa made ballistic parachute mandatory. a pilot cannot always be expected to land the plane: like mid air collision, structural failure or low altitude.
They cost way too much and would be one more thing that would have to be annually certified. Some days you're luck just runs out. It's part of being a pilot. We train to overcome what we can but go into any bar that is the local aviator dive and you'll observe the morbid humor that reflects this.
yo 1969leo, 'luck just runs out' doesn't cut it. most of the pilots whose 'luck ran out' didn't do a flight plan, or had get home-itis to go through IFR (who would want to fly single engine in IFR unless you are stuck)...even the planes that lose power while take off happen because they borrow it from their friends who don't get it good maintenance. and ofcourse the stall/spin accident close to the ground...b/c pilots don't pay attention to airspeed.
@lavakava I agree that pilot error is the most common cause of crashes. However ask Cpt. Sully about luck and he might tell you that a random flock of birds is difficult to blame on a pilot.
A ballistic recovery chute.. like the ones that come in some 2-4 passenger aircraft now add tens of thousands of dollars to the cost. Not only that, they work AT ALTITUDE. They don't do diddley at low altitude events such as that pilot loosing power at the departure end of the runway with trees and utility poles to be negotiated. The only thing that would have been different is the dead bodies would have been neatly covered with a cute, very expensive, parachute.
@davidsholem Huh? Without power? What do you want us to fly? The space shuttle in space? A glider? I think cessnas are the best way to go in my opinon.
Cessna's are excellent training aircraft! You could land them in a parking lot, full-flaps, your roll-out is minimal! But that's all, "training aircraft!" Get a Mooney and be a real pilot!
mooney sucks dude. cessnas are not all just training aircraft. the 172/162/152 are training. but if you buy a higher power cessna, like 182rg, it is more than sufficient for many situations.
you dont want to land on a road your just going to get others killed it looks like he was trying to land on the golf coarse and got blown over if thats the case he did the right thing
the golf coarse was the best place to land not the road
You don't want to land on the road? Funny how every CFI I've ever had and every biannual flight review (BFR) Ive had in YEARS stresses roads and freeways as being acceptable and actually PREFERABLE off field emergency landing sites. Are you a pilot? Golf courses (not coarses) work depending on the fairway. In this case, the road seemed to be his best chance (did you see the sand traps?) given his altitude and his distance from end of runway when he lost power.
The first CFI I had was retired Air Force, he flew in the Korean War, and also flew a Corporate Jet for Cal Worthington LOL. If you don't remember him he was a used car salesman. He told me that since the approach speed in our plane (Cessna 150A) was close to freeway speed we could just "Merge from above". A normal road with stop lights/power lines is not very good, but a freeway is gold. I have about 800 hrs dual given now. Never had a real emergency.
I DEFITITELY remember Cal Worthington "and his dog spot," and am quite jealous. lol... Now his damn commercial jingle is gonna be in my head all day. "Lonbeach freeway, Firestone exitttt.. SOUTHgattttteee" " ha ha ha. The fact a Cessna comes in at 70 over the fence was exactly the reason I was taught that a freeways was acceptable as well. There are a couple videos on you tube (one is a C150 in fact) where it was set down on the freeway in VERY busy traffic.
*sigh* people that drive on like that pretend that they didn't see anything or too important to stop really piss me off. Cheers to the pilot that tried to crash land. In a neighborhood! Not a lot of options there.
swordofthespirit 2 weeks ago
Upload 5 years ago! :O
squemish51 1 month ago
Um, there are some really stupid comments on here. The pilot hit the light pole as a result of trying not to hit the SUV. It was an excellent and skillful attempt at a forced landing.
The pilot spared the lives of those on the ground, and the other pilot. He is a hero. May he rest in peace. It's ridiculous to read pilots second-guessing this brave person's efforts -- all while seated comfortably in their lazy-boys. Absurd. (I am a commercial pilot multi/single engine - and I was the musician
jvs7777 1 month ago
the car kept dricing id be like WTF~!!!_)(*&^%#@@ and if i crashed my plane i hope someone would stop
L96a1ProdigyIL3GIT 1 month ago
@lardman2228 You don't want to "pitch up" to lose the airspeed, you want to level off to get to best glide, and then trim the aircraft for that speed.
TheMeslava 3 months ago 2
The thing to remember for anyone criticising this piloting is that 172s glide like anything, and if you're used to flying something that doesn't glide so well, you're pretty well screwed if you pick a field that's slightly too small
lardman2228 4 months ago
@BOEINGFRENZY Be that as it may, an engine failure over mountainous terrain is never very forgiving.
lardman2228 4 months ago
he must have lost power and tried to get some power
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@CFITOMAHAWK2 How can you judge an emergency landing until you are actually in the left seat? It's easy to say that making the golf course would be easy until you are the one with seconds to decide. Being a CFI has nothing to do with this situation. They were two pilots out flying and things went wrong over a populated area. They both had experience, I know this for a fact. Read the accident report. It's been over 6 years since the crash and I still miss my friend. RIP Dan!
AFClydeman 7 months ago
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AFClydeman 7 months ago
wow that car driver just kept going.......
incosiderate
WithRico 7 months ago 3
@WithRico, it was slowed down retard.
eatingcatshit 6 months ago
@WithRico typical north american citizen
dlsmarmolejos 2 months ago
see those two caps on the top of the wing? use them
TensionAirsoft 7 months ago
@TensionAirsoft, yet another youtube pilot, lol.
eatingcatshit 6 months ago
If you read my post, it was referenced to the departure phase, when your nose is pitched-up! Most react in the "phase," pitching up due to fright!
So, when pitched up (nose-up) during your departure segment, what do you do?
davidsholem 8 months ago
any landing you can walk from is a good landing
veejayp1 8 months ago 3
Foreward to fly--Back to die.
winterka100 9 months ago 7
WHAT! why on earth did that guy in the truck stop and help!??!?! What a twat.
danielnr87 10 months ago
that guy in the truck was most likely pissing his pants after it crashed right next to him
Z3RICKYZ3 10 months ago
Not a very good instructor was he?
sjtom57 10 months ago
It is always easy for someone to say what should have been done, when they weren't there....
A flight instructor was killed...
Do a search on N9336H and you will find the NTSB report.
rvbuilder2002 10 months ago
Pilot(instructor) died!
taemanok2006 10 months ago
10 out of 10 for the landing...didn't hurt anybody or any private property on the ground. :) lol
acballerr 10 months ago
Very Simple Rule: Pitch for airspeed and Power for Altitude. It's counter-intuitive, but if you pitch that plane up at a slow airspeed you will initially feel like you are rising, but all a pilot is doing is losing airspeed.
PittPanthr08 11 months ago
@davidsholem depending on the wieght of course...
bekemiki 1 year ago
You must be one of these vfr pilots that I see on my TCAS when I depart and approach Class B airspace and shriek all the way up to altitude!
davidsholem 1 year ago
lol people in car: ummm..... i'm gonna just keep driving then...
AltAirPilot517 1 year ago
@AltAirPilot517 Well they were in front of the plane crash and realistically....what could they do to help although yah they should have stopped even just to call emergency services' or something.
stevenesmond2 11 months ago
Am I missing something here, There's a perfectly good Golf fairway right next to the road. Why land on the road?
bmcpheat 1 year ago
@bmcpheat he tried landing on the fairway read the description
dfx961 1 year ago
it almost looks like he banks to the right to miss the car? that would be very courageous indeed
pogachini 1 year ago
I have travelled in a small plane like this and I feel what these planes lack is proper restraint airbag systems like in cars...my SUV has 8 airbags, but the cessna/piper doesn' thave even 1. I think FAA should change this rule immediately. (All other issues like running out of gas, etc are due to pilot error, no doubt).
ncheriyan 1 year ago
@ncheriyan
Hold on, the newer Cessna 172,182's do have (1) airbag located on the lower portion of the seatbelt.( I know it's hard to believe). I'm not saying that it will help much, LOL
SRMeadows 1 year ago
@SRMeadows
If it is a stall spin accident, it probably won't do any good. But if it is an accident like this where the velocity of the airplane is reduced from 40-55mph to zero in seconds, airbags will help prevent head impact on the dashboard due to inertia...small planes are very confined in space, so it is needed to prevent head injury.
ncheriyan 1 year ago
@ncheriyan The airbags are almost not necessary because most plane crashes where the plane will stop almost immediately are not survivable, unlike cars where 90 percent of the crashes are survivable with an airbag...the only thing i see the airbag doing is adding weight and making it harder to leave the aircraft in a hurry.
denverJPUE 1 year ago
WTF!? CAR!? WTF!? if i saw a plane NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS flying that low in front of me, I'M GOING TO BE STOPPING! "oh hey look, plane that is out of control and about to crash, LETS KEEP DRIVING AND GET CLOSER TO IT!" i mean really? then he just keeps going.... what is with people
NIGHTEHAWK 1 year ago
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MotelCambodia 1 year ago
Well, I wasn't there. I wouldn't comment if I weren't a pilot. The angle doesn't really show why he may have ultimately flown the path he did. I am sure he was a very decent pilot, and I am sad that he and his fellow pilot are not with us. We are all experts in our minds....until the time comes! You'd like to hope there was a better flight path, and I am a good stick and rudder fellow (and airspeed is life), but many of us flyers should learn from good pilots who ran out of room. Don't judge.
hank5by5 1 year ago 2
The pilot that died was one of my friends. I still remember that day and getting the phone call that he died. Seriously one of the worst days of my life. He was a great guy!
Both pilots in the plane were instructors. There were no students. He didn't die immediately, like the comment says, he died in surgery.
AFClydeman 1 year ago
@AFClydeman How can 2 instructors on an easy to fly and land 172 on a Golf Course overshoot it by not Forward Slip. then try to land on a road next to houses and electrical wires and poles. They were too worried sitting on their seats after pooping themselves whe engine quit. Some Chicken CFI's they certify in USA (read buy the license). I flew over that area a few months later and did an approach to that Golf course.
Easy landing for a C-172.
CFITOMAHAWK2 10 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK2 I'm sorry, have you successfully piloted that particular aircraft in a safe forced landing onto a golf course? You don't know what went on in that aircraft and neither do I but at least I'm not judging the piloting capabilities of a dead man based on the outside view of it.
lardman2228 4 months ago
@lardman2228 I landed C-172's on grass runways hundreds of times. Can't you see they needed to do a forward slip instead of going to the road and wires and houses? Those two guys had over $100,000 in USA training and hours and neither could do do a forward slip to save themselves? WTF. Those two CFI's are famous around the world as an example of USA Chicken CFI's by Flight Schools around the world. They show this video & other CFI crashes to students that want to come to USA for training.
CFITOMAHAWK2 4 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Exactly, grass runways, not golf courses. Maybe there were trees in the way, maybe the PinC decided that there wouldn't be enough room to land in the golf course and decided to take the road, not noticing the power lines. It's so easy to speculate, but in that situation, you and I and most other pilots out there apart from the best, would be load shedding like anything with an engine failure. Also remember that you're seeing the situation at a different angle, not from the cockpit.
lardman2228 4 months ago
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lardman2228 4 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK2 Its easy to make comments about a crash like this when you me and the rest of the youtube community has never been in situation like this, when I was a student pilot I had an engine failure with my flight instructor luckily he was a great pilot and landed the plane dead stick with no injuries or damage done to the aircraft and I can tell you nothing can explain the fear that you have in a situation like this, ohh and by the way I learned how to fly in the U.S. . . show some respect
IceB717 2 days ago
That car driver at 0:20 must have gotten a lifetimes worth of surpise.
jariroth 1 year ago
@BOEINGFRENZY Thanks alot for the advise.
cheezebs 1 year ago
David you are very correct-only in cruise is it of value to pitch up and gain some height from the excess speed
bonjovibob 1 year ago
This is the plane me and my brother have! I hope this doesn't happen to us. Is it a relyable plane?
cheezebs 1 year ago
Kein ton und ruckeln...
Chillermg91 1 year ago
sad.
kefster00 1 year ago
When i was flying with my instructor we had an engine problem. The baffle came loose and was rattling around making the plane shake. Luckily we were transitioning Bradley's class C airspace flying right over the airport. The first thing my instructor did was put it into a slip to get down to the runway.
doggywoofwoof1 1 year ago
did he died? lol
how did this happen?
madzane94 1 year ago
that cars like "oh SHIT"
myrandomspaces 1 year ago
RIP to the instructor
boeingace 1 year ago
True: Best practice is flying a "tight"" downwind, pull the engine, simultaneously pointing the nose to the threshold and establishing and maintaining glide-speed! Once runway is made, full flaps and gear! It's easy if you practice! On the take-off leg, roll the nose over immediately and depending on altitude, land ahead or half standard rate turns to get you where you want to be!
davidsholem 1 year ago
The sad part in all this isn't the only the fact that this guy crashed his airplane but there is a car right next to the plane as it smashed into the telephone pole and he just keeps driving by instead of seeing if they could help, thats the true sadness in this video.
SkyPilot22690 1 year ago 3
@jamesfromnyc He does have flaps lowered from what I can see at the begining of the clip....
austerace 1 year ago
NTSB Offical Report:
The failure of the CFI to initiate a precautionary landing after noticing zero oil pressure with corresponding oil temperature increase,
resulting in total loss of engine power due to oil exhaustion. A contributing factor in the accident was the failure of company
maintenance personnel to replace the flexible oil cooler hoses during engine installation following overhaul, as recommended by the
engine manufacturer.
Jamesfromnyc 1 year ago
Looks like he was going for the road after overshooting the golf course and at the last minute tried to avoid the van causing him to fly into the electric wires. I'm not sure why he didn't have the flaps extended once he had the field made. Goes to show how your brain can shrink up in a real emergency, even for a CFI. Nice video catch!
Jamesfromnyc 1 year ago
@Jamesfromnyc Hey Man its like wearing a condom or not.
BarneyBenar 1 year ago
What would happen if you tried to waterland a cessna 172? anyone heard of it?
tbomgwtf 1 year ago
@tbomgwtf Likely the wheels will "dig in" to the water and cartwheel the airplane violently. If you have wheels and can't retract them (fixed gear) you are usually better off on some solid surface rather than a lake or the ocean.
3k9sv048 1 year ago
@tbomgwtf The dude that tought my dad how to fly had once an engine failure and water-landed some small plane. Im not sure which one but I know it had a low wing cuz he did such a good job that by the time the rescue boat came to him they found the dude chilling sitting in the wing :-) the guy is still around but I dont think he teaches anymore. This was at the Gran Canaria aeroclub, Spain :-)
finallyonenottaken 1 year ago
@finallyonenottaken Seriously go fuck yourself.
BarneyBenar 1 year ago
@BarneyBenar .. Any reason for you to tell me to go fuck myself other than you beeing a small little piece of shit and a douchebag?
finallyonenottaken 1 year ago
They look like they were trying to avoid the van. They hit the pole center to the cockpit.
My wife still won't fly with me.
triplexchuck 1 year ago
More than likely the Instructor had the controls
sngncwby68 1 year ago
Keep your cool and, most importantly, roll the nose over!!!
If am flying a GA aircraft or an A319-321, just prior to t/o, we brief an engine failure! Something that needs to be done in GA!
davidsholem 1 year ago
When did this happen? Does anyone have the date?
jofus2019 1 year ago
@jofus2019 Jan 11, 2005
8literbeater 1 year ago
Pitch up or down?
It depends. If you have some speed, you may want to keep level or even climb until you reach best glide speed and then nose over to maintain this. This could help to hop over possible obstacles.
But it really depends on speed and height.
For the low hour pilot, I suggest nose down since the thrust-drag couple is designed to pitch nose down anyway.
Trying to raise the nose if you are not experienced, may worsen the situation (stall, spin etc...).
What do you guys think?
zsifk 1 year ago
@zsifk Hey I just have to confess that my big fat fingers hit the thumbs down button on my iPhone when I was scrolling through. I actually agree with you. For that matter it's not really an issue to debate one way or the other. Just always pitch for best glide speed. Sometimes up, sometimes down, but always best glide.
8literbeater 1 year ago
n1600b that was a wake up call for me
n1600b 1 year ago
Never try to land on a street. I'd rather crash on that small green field.
DelfinoDelphis 1 year ago
Seeing things like this is just so tragic. Also, after something as such happening and the student surviving he is probably going to be frightened from flying for the rest of his life. I sure hope not, flying is one of the most beautiful things in the world.
oliverman22 1 year ago
@oliverman22
flying maybe beautiful but unfortunately, these old piston engines are electronics will become unreliable! time for FAA to grow some balls and deem these planes unairworthy!
lavakava 1 year ago
@lavakava
I partially agree. But I mean the good thing about these planes is they are still very fly worthy, I fly 152s and 172s and to me it's like they're new aircrafts. Yes, they may be old but some are still in perfect conditions.
oliverman22 1 year ago
@lavakava Oh BS. You apparently don't know anything about 'these old piston engines'. Please stop commenting.
denhou1974 1 year ago 9
@denhou1974
There was nothing wrong with the engine. The cause of the engine failure was improper maintenance. Old piston engines are just a reliable as new ones as long as the overhaul times are not exceed which commonly happens on personal aircraft. Planes used for instruction or rental are mandated to be rebuilt but no mandate on personal craft..
Jamesfromnyc 1 year ago
@Jamesfromnyc Read the post I was replying to. You don't have to sell me on piston engines, I fly a SEL weekly.
denhou1974 1 year ago
@lavakava what? well you better deem your car as un-drive worthy, not ONLY because your the one driving but also these old piston engines are in every forwardly prepulsed aircraft and car and vehicle other than turbine engines... so unless you got a flux capacitor on the back of your shitty station wagon... go back to playing fsx and masturbating you ignorant little kid...
codzomz 4 months ago
@lavakava Jesus christ man, do you have any background in aviation at all? Flying is safer than driving, these old piston engines are the best out there. Every pilot out there has flown a piston engine aircraft, most pilots that work for airlines and fly jets have over 1000 hours flying time in a piston engine aircraft. Learn some basic air tech.
lardman2228 4 months ago
Terrible, they just had too many obstacles to make a safe landing. Hate too see things like this.
theschoolofchuck 1 year ago
Bet the driver of the utility just about shit themselves....
thezorba1 1 year ago
you would have to know at what altitude the guy knew he had to make an emergency landing, and if that street was his best option as it does look like a complete fuck up.
if it was right after take off it might have been the best he could do and really if the engine cut you cant blame the guy for doing his best
schnapperdelahray 1 year ago
Someone queried my comment about PITCHING DOWN during an engine failure!
Lesson (1) Loss of power/engine failure during take-off atitude (pitched up) results in immediate loss of airspeed! What do you do, PITCH DOWN immediately to establish glide speed (aviate), determine altitude (AGL) (navigate) to your forced landing spot, then Communicate your intentions!
I know it is difficult not to hold the nose up to preserve or gain altitude, must you will die in a stall, PITCH DOWN!!!
davidsholem 1 year ago 46
It depends on what scenario your in.
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bz2384 1 year ago
@davidsholem i'm sure the instructor knew this. It's easy to say what you wouldn't done in the situation but it's harder to do so in a real emergency.
denhou1974 1 year ago
@davidsholem
so right, remember speed is your friend.
abl78 1 year ago
@davidsholem
You are right, though Cessna has better stall characteristics than low-wing airplanes.
dingoklectos 1 year ago
@davidsholem Agreed, but some Pipipilots can't push the nose down. They Pull up when need to push down, specially on Take off Engine Failures. They will kill someone eventually. They Panic Pull and freeze on close to ground emergencies.
navamerican 1 year ago
@davidsholem normally you would pitch up.....the best glide speed in the 172 is 68 knots...normally if your flying along your going more than 68 knots. so you pitch up to gain altitude and maintain 68.
umbc91 1 year ago
@davidsholem
Pitch down, but also, reduce airspeed to optimal glide speed of the aircraft. In a Cessna 172, that would be about 65 KIAS.
FlickerCityPro 1 year ago
@davidsholem - Well said but I disagree slightly, mind you I did not read your previous post... When you lose engine power you do not always pitch down, you pitch to achieve your best glide speed. If you're cruising along at 100 kts in a C172 and the engine goes, you would pitch to maintain altitude while the airspeed decreases. Once the airspeed has dropped to best glide, you then pitch forward to maintain that airspeed. Why give up preacious altitude by going into a premature dive?
TurnerTrojan 8 months ago 3
@davidsholem I've been taught to pitch up in the event of an engine failure. Chances are, your airspeed before the failure is going to be higher than the glide speed for the aircraft. Surely you must pitch up then?
Of course if you're too high on approach for your field then you can pitch right down to get the aircraft in there and slow down with flaps, but initially wouldn't you pitch up to obtain best glide speed?
lardman2228 4 months ago
@lardman2228 There a vid of an F-16 losing power where the pilot does exactly that, immediately. That gave them enough time to try a restart, turn toward a safe place to ditch the plane, and eject with altitude to spare.
malamagr 4 months ago
@malamagr Oh, well F-16s are a bit different from C172s. F-16s aren't built to glide, they're built to fly with huge amounts of thrust and have high speed wings instead of high lift or general purpose wings. It's the speed in an F-16 that keeps it in the air. Whereas with a C172, they have general purpose wings, they give a good combination of lift and speed and can fly quite slowly (with a best glide speed of 65 knots). So I guess the pitch up/pitch down dilemma depends on the plane you fly.
lardman2228 4 months ago
they ok?
SuperPigcow 1 year ago
not a very good instructor I think
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater WTF... you are raelly good about talking shit about stuff you know nothing about. One dead, one critically hurt and you are an arm chair quarterback stepping up to say something about poor instruction. Why don't you go talk shit about something you know something about - like Nintendo and Atari and leave aviation alone until you know something.
flapsdwn 1 year ago
Right, armchair. How the he'll would you be able to say what I know or don't know? Idiot. Okay then, one dead, one critically injured because of an INSTRUCTOR that MISSED A GOLF COURSE! But hey, I'm sure he was great. That unused runway behind him is proof of what a good instructor he was, and the open green that was 100 feet to his right, followed by a parking lot. No, he was shooting for an occupied street, between trees, with powerlines to boot. Talking shit would be moot. Dumbass.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@8literbeater totally agree with you. That CFI sort of panicked, didn't slip due to fear neither changed direction to the right, Just kept going to the busy and obstructed road. The poles with transformers are visible from above.
I have flown with some "chicken CFI"'s
that can't slip either, they sort of freeze on emergencies. So they avoid practice them to the end.
navamerican 1 year ago
Statement by student to NTSB: When the flight was close to the ground "...we realized that we were going to have to make a steep approach. Dan put in all the flaps and did his best to fly down the fairway, keeping clear of all people and obstacles. Dan made a last minute decision to go to the left to possibly fly and land on the road, when we collided with the power lines, then the power pole which is where we came to rest. I remember very little after that."
8literbeater 1 year ago
Also according to student's statement: The CFI made several s-turns to lose altitude, an approached the golf course fairways from an easterly to westerly direction. It appeared that the aircraft was going to overfly the point of intended landing, but the CFI did not slip the aircraft to lose altitude.
8literbeater 1 year ago
So after considering your response, I must admit, I could only speculate what was going on in the video, based on my own training and experience. (yes I fly real airplanes, that's not the point) but after reviewing the official report, my speculation was confirmed, and then some. The instructor was in fact a poor instructor that didn't follow the rules, and my opinion stands. Furthermore I suspect that you are related to him, since you defended him when he was wrong, and you're both idiots!
8literbeater 1 year ago
NTSB: A review of the "Pilot's Operating Handbook" revealed an emergency procedure dealing with "Low Oil Pressure." The amplied procedure indicates, "If a total loss of oil pressure is accompanied by a rise in oil temperature, there is good reason to suspect an engine failure is imminent. Reduce engine power immediately and select a suitable forced landing field. Use only the minimum power required to reach the desired touchdown spot."
8literbeater 1 year ago
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The failure of the CFI to initiate a precautionary landing after noticing zero oil pressure with corresponding oil temperature increase, resulting in total loss of engine power due to oil exhaustion.
8literbeater 1 year ago
@flapsdwn and another thing, What's all this bullshit you're arguing in favor of this crappy instructor about being so "close to the departure end of the runway at low altitude?" He was over 2000' MSL when the engine lost oil pressure! he then flew well over 5 minutes with no oil pressure!! 2000 MSL in this area is almost 2000 AGL. The engine quit between 2000 and 1500 feet above ground level. NO REASON FOR THIS CRASH look at the map, he had plenty of options to land, especially other roads
8literbeater 1 year ago
I agree with you! there were plenty of options around...still wondering why he chose the narrow road with powerlines. any pilot should know powerlines are deadly for pilots (remember the new palo alto crash killing 3 tesla motors employees).
he could have just landed on the right and hit a few small bushes and it would have been a lot safer.
lavakava 1 year ago
@flapsdwn the pole he hit, and the sand traps are on the northeast corner of W Par street and Eagle blvd in Orlando Florida, google map it, he was traveling from east to west
8literbeater 1 year ago
Can we talk about the seriousness of this crash, people?!
Any fatalities in this one? Looked rough.
flyboybgs 1 year ago
the instructor died
SebastienDS 1 year ago
didnt look at the vid description did you?
Amypr1ncess 1 year ago
@flyboybgs One fatality, one seriously hurt
flapsdwn 1 year ago
Yeah, sure
Obama created the Iraq war and the recession. What an idiot can say that.
navamerican 1 year ago
@navamerican LOOOOL. LOOOOL. LOOOOOL. LOOOOL. What about Bush? You dumb fuck.
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dumpyku 1 year ago
LOL at mooney suck............
pinkwontons 1 year ago
america needs to clean up its cities. we claim we are the superpower with the most advanced technology yet we have these pathetic overhead electric lines that are so primitive. go to some modern middle eastern country like UAE or qatar or something, and you will see all the electric cables are underground...none of these ugly death traps.
shame why nobama and dubya couldn't spend money to fix america instead of wars with some cavemen.
lavakava 2 years ago 21
Overhead lines are much more efficient than underground.
jizzmonger 1 year ago
Not true at all. i was in dubai for several years and never once we had a power failure even when they had a desert storm. and dubai is a glamorous city and uses a lot of electricity.
lavakava 1 year ago
@lavakava
Ok, let me rephrase this.
Underground lines lead to much higher losses during transmission than overhead lines. They also cost countless times more to lay.
Dubai generates it's power with Diesel generators very close to it's point of consumption thus power does not need to travel 100's of miles from the point of generation to the point of use like it does in the United States.
jizzmonger 1 year ago
@lavakava
And you wont see these powerlines in rich neighborhoods.
Leyenda1 1 year ago
The only point of underground electricity is the please the eyes of dumbasses like yourself, who have no comprehension of anything that makes the world go round.
thechoosendude 1 year ago
@choosendude...you make no sense...i am talking about safety and aesthetics.
go see a psychiatrist!
lavakava 1 year ago
@lavakava
Agreed! However, its pilot's responsibility to know the terrain underneath and try to attempt landing in a long wide field instead of a small road with overhead wires that you can't see until you are like 100 feet AGL.
dingoklectos 1 year ago
@lavakava But they will get wet yeah?
MaheekunVideo 1 year ago
@lavakava you are completely ignorant. Do you have ANY idea how much money it would cost to replace all cables, now that the cities which they feed are built?
It's all very well putting cables underground and then building new cities on top of them, but as an builder will know, taking something away/stripping in back and rebuilding is a MASSIVE undertaking and quite beyond the reasonable means of any modern country. Including YOURS.
stroketheboat 1 year ago
@stroketheboat Go stroke the goat fool.
BarneyBenar 1 year ago
Ok dumb shit instead of blaming Obama for something that isn't even remotely his fault why don't you get your facts, blame the electric companies for that and if you do go to one of our advanced cities like NYC, Las Vegas, or Chicago guess what... the electrical lines are underground holly shit imagine that, and those cities have been around a-lot longer. Plus you tell me how Obama is supposed to fix all the power lines to underground in just 2 years. Also btw Bush started that war not Obama.
SkyPilot22690 1 year ago
@SkyPilot22690
you start the sentence by swearing...some kind of lowlife you are!
lavakava 1 year ago
@lavakava
Call me what you will doesn't change the fact that you have it wrong. Why would you post something accusing someone of screwing up when they have nothing to do with the problem even then there really is no problem.
SkyPilot22690 1 year ago
@SkyPilot22690 Funny; I thought the cave-dwellers started that war. :rolling eyes:
n1ztb 1 year ago
@lavakava well you do know that burying power lines costs about 5-7 times more than having overhead lines. The reason they bury them in UAE is probably because the terrain is far more easily excavated and they would need to import the wood or metal for poles and that makes burying them seem more reasonable. But most new areas have buried lines, you can't go and dig up major city streets to bury them after the fact.
weversonman 1 year ago
@weversonman you can bury them with directional drilling.
selgemm 1 year ago
@selgemm So what? They're far more expensive, when a problem occurs and something needs fixing, it takes an ultra long time to locate the issue vs. above ground lines, and another major thing is that the power needs to be compeltely shut off through those ground lines when someone is working on them because they are next to the ground, whereas poles can be worked on while live. So you need to shut the power off to maybe a large number of people to fix something. All so things look pretty..
weversonman 1 year ago
@lavakava obama is not left with a pile of shit to clean up with 4 years minimum to do it.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
@lavakava haha, u compare the usa to the uae??? you know they got oil. oil = money...
there is never an accident because of an overhead cables in switzerland. you have to make FLYING save , not crashing!! so you have to make sure that all airplanes in the country work well, and you have to check them frequently!! im sure a lot of american airplanes wouldnt be allowed to fly in switz. IM SURE MEANS I KNOW IT
johnNYgoesLA 1 year ago
it seems like the pilot was trying to avoid the hummer. the inconsiderate bastard in the hummer could have pulled over seeing and hearing the plane behind him.
he should have just landed on the fucking hummer.
lavakava 2 years ago
How could the hummer hear him if the engine isn't working ?
MrOpcode 2 years ago
Cactus flt 1549!
davidsholem 2 years ago
Let me say this! General Rule: less than 800 agl, minimal turns, land strt ahead, above 800, determine if STANDARD RATE ONLY TURN will get you back!
davidsholem 2 years ago
@davidsholem There is alot to determine that.... in summers here in Tucson, high density altitude days prevent alot.
flapsdwn 1 year ago
im a student pilot, our CFI's say try to avoid landing on the roads because your just going to get someone hurt watch the vid theres a skinny little road with people and poles and power cables and noones going to see u when they are driving and then theres a big open golf coarse with the occasional sand trap, think about it golf coarse by far the most appropriate place to land in his situation, i saw 3 sand traps, i also saw 9 poles and 4 cars plus all the trees on both sides of the street. hmmm
marinefootball45 2 years ago
It depends. Each case is going to be different. I was taught that freeways are good because traffic is going pretty close to the approach speed for a 152/172 and you can merge from above. Golf courses have a lot of trees, and a par five is around 500 yards/1500' which isn't very much room to land anything lol. So it depends, but always remember to fly the damn plane first.
Aviate, Navigate, Communicate!
Btw I don't fly anymore but have about 800 hours dual given.
kbilyak04 2 years ago
Get a new CFI! The worst senario is ditching, landing on water, for the ability to keep the aircraft from cartwheeling is very difficult - however, as we have seen, you land anywhere you can!!!
Get a new CFI!!!!!
davidsholem 2 years ago
where did u get "water" from?
marinefootball45 2 years ago
@davidsholem Water? You need to worry about landing in a wet pussy. You are gay!
BarneyBenar 1 year ago
Get rid of him!
davidsholem 2 years ago
he would have survived if fucking faa made ballistic parachute mandatory. a pilot cannot always be expected to land the plane: like mid air collision, structural failure or low altitude.
lavakava 2 years ago
They cost way too much and would be one more thing that would have to be annually certified. Some days you're luck just runs out. It's part of being a pilot. We train to overcome what we can but go into any bar that is the local aviator dive and you'll observe the morbid humor that reflects this.
1969LEO1969 2 years ago
yo 1969leo, 'luck just runs out' doesn't cut it. most of the pilots whose 'luck ran out' didn't do a flight plan, or had get home-itis to go through IFR (who would want to fly single engine in IFR unless you are stuck)...even the planes that lose power while take off happen because they borrow it from their friends who don't get it good maintenance. and ofcourse the stall/spin accident close to the ground...b/c pilots don't pay attention to airspeed.
its all attention, not luck
lavakava 2 years ago
@lavakava I agree that pilot error is the most common cause of crashes. However ask Cpt. Sully about luck and he might tell you that a random flock of birds is difficult to blame on a pilot.
1969LEO1969 1 year ago
A ballistic recovery chute.. like the ones that come in some 2-4 passenger aircraft now add tens of thousands of dollars to the cost. Not only that, they work AT ALTITUDE. They don't do diddley at low altitude events such as that pilot loosing power at the departure end of the runway with trees and utility poles to be negotiated. The only thing that would have been different is the dead bodies would have been neatly covered with a cute, very expensive, parachute.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
ya, you cessna pilots need more than a parachute. Lean how to fly without power!!!
davidsholem 2 years ago 2
@davidsholem Huh? Without power? What do you want us to fly? The space shuttle in space? A glider? I think cessnas are the best way to go in my opinon.
FlyinRyans35 2 years ago
Cessna's are excellent training aircraft! You could land them in a parking lot, full-flaps, your roll-out is minimal! But that's all, "training aircraft!" Get a Mooney and be a real pilot!
davidsholem 2 years ago
Cessna's are the best.
FlyinRyans35 2 years ago
@FlyinRyans35 I've got 800+ hrs in Cessnas, they ROCK!
flyboybgs 1 year ago
@davidsholem,
mooney sucks dude. cessnas are not all just training aircraft. the 172/162/152 are training. but if you buy a higher power cessna, like 182rg, it is more than sufficient for many situations.
lavakava 1 year ago
such a nice person in the car? they just kept on driving, WTF is up with that... come on people!
bkoch53 2 years ago
@saadarslan777 Um yeah, he panicked... He is only trying to land on a small street with hydro poles and cars on it..
CamsStuff 2 years ago
you dont want to land on a road your just going to get others killed it looks like he was trying to land on the golf coarse and got blown over if thats the case he did the right thing
the golf coarse was the best place to land not the road
marinefootball45 2 years ago
You don't want to land on the road? Funny how every CFI I've ever had and every biannual flight review (BFR) Ive had in YEARS stresses roads and freeways as being acceptable and actually PREFERABLE off field emergency landing sites. Are you a pilot? Golf courses (not coarses) work depending on the fairway. In this case, the road seemed to be his best chance (did you see the sand traps?) given his altitude and his distance from end of runway when he lost power.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
The first CFI I had was retired Air Force, he flew in the Korean War, and also flew a Corporate Jet for Cal Worthington LOL. If you don't remember him he was a used car salesman. He told me that since the approach speed in our plane (Cessna 150A) was close to freeway speed we could just "Merge from above". A normal road with stop lights/power lines is not very good, but a freeway is gold. I have about 800 hrs dual given now. Never had a real emergency.
kbilyak04 2 years ago
I DEFITITELY remember Cal Worthington "and his dog spot," and am quite jealous. lol... Now his damn commercial jingle is gonna be in my head all day. "Lonbeach freeway, Firestone exitttt.. SOUTHgattttteee" " ha ha ha. The fact a Cessna comes in at 70 over the fence was exactly the reason I was taught that a freeways was acceptable as well. There are a couple videos on you tube (one is a C150 in fact) where it was set down on the freeway in VERY busy traffic.
flapsdwn 2 years ago
pilot error in landing they made it properly to the road and he paniced and crashed bad piloting
saadarslan777 2 years ago
I wont ever say that, but most likely it is a mechanicale failure, im not seeing who would try to land on the roads for fun...
For that to be a piloting error if the plane was 100% good, then he could only be drunk....
guily6669 2 years ago
@saadarslan777 sure he "paniced" whatever that means lol
Reallaty 2 years ago