Rachel Maddow: Tea Party Fascist thugs (Koch bros & RecessRally)

[Raptor086]

@hughes7520

They had to evacuate people because of the sanitary hazards they posed.

Now kindly fuck off and don't comment back please.

[uknowispeaksense]

@RTEvideos the problem with your statement is that while you may not be a fascist, if you seriously thing these tea party people respect any opinion that is different to their ownthen youmust be either completely deaf and blind, completely stupid or wilfully ignorant beyond belief.

[mrbrianmccarthy]

Funny how the Tea party protestors were never harrassed by the police like the OWS protestors have been. Hmmmm. Maybe because the OWS protestors are a REAL grassroots protest,unlike the tea baggers,who are corporate republican owned group.

[Cogitatio023]

@mrbrianmccarthy maybe it is the fact that the ows were destroying property,and living in a public park.

[SeanMBryans]

@mrbrianmccarthy They also don't stay as long. They usually hold a (hate filled at times) rally - Stay a couple hours . . . Pollute a few minds. Then go home to polish their guns. OWS sometimes stay past their welcome. Although I tend to agree with OWS and not the Tea Baggers . . . Would you quiet either group? I wouldn't . . . Because then we, those who comment on YouTube, could be next.

[Fireflygamer]

@PsychoNiff "Name An example in history or present were socialism has actually worked like high quality of life. advance technology, high standard of living etc," Canada, the UK, pretty much every current western nation besides the USA. You might be mixing up socialism and communism.

"All the most advanced nations in the world past and present has some element of free market enterprise," I agree but what makes you think that socialism excludes free market enterprise?

[Fireflygamer]

@PsychoNi When did i every say anything was free, if you had read my post i talked about getting money form the government to pay for my education, not only will a higher educations mean ill be making more a year and there for paying more in taxes i also have to pay back the lone. Telling people its illegal to murder is force too so your point is mute there has to be force to an extent but that force should be applied equally. as far as the policy makers, they real ones already live in castles.

[Fireflygamer]

the socialist system would allow for a more even playing field, no longer do you need to be rich to afford to go to collage, or afford to pay for the medical treatment you need, if disaster strikes there will be help for you so it helps with stability. This is closer to the free market capitalism i here people speak of than the system now. In this system there is an even playing field and you do earn what you work for, no matter if you were born to a rich family or not.

[Fireflygamer]

.... its the opposite of trickle down economics and it actually works. you give a struggling person so extra cash and instead of saving it they spend it on goods and services right away, that money then tricks up the system paying people that worked to make or provide that service or product, which the spend on services.... all the way up to the top CEO how is making more money despite paying higher taxes because more people are using his products and services. continue one last time.....

[Fireflygamer]

@PsychoNiff Socialism is a government by the people, for the people and of the peoples choosing. it is were we all pay a part of our income in order to pay for the things the government provides. The government in turn takes care of the people at the bottom so they can be more productive, healthier and happier. Its a much more effective way of producing wealth in a country, give a little bit to help out the bottom so they can spend more money and buy more products. continue....

[Fireflygamer]

@PsychoNiff you are obviously reading into my comment what you want to read into. Unlike the systems you are trying to compare to socialism all of those systems put the power into a small group of peoples hands, the socialism i am talking about is still a democracy like Canada for example. in my socialism example I said people, not the people, not a group of people, just people, in other words individuals. socialism is not evil, it purpose is to make all of our lives better as a society.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@CarlosMonteiro1985

i'm not defending America soo why yell at me? i'm defending the Sick and the Poor who live in America.

[Azakhiel]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq That doesn't mean it isn't the purpose of government just because in practice there are conflicts of interest. Also, no need to be condescending. This is exactly what I was talking about in my first comment.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq

the reason struggles are so terrible is that the party that defends & protects the 90% majority regular people without power, influence or wealth ...from becoming cheap labor expendable human garbage (for the Rich leisure Privileged class) worked till they starve, collapse or die from inherited illness without cheap High-quality Healthcare

...is because that party isnt defending & protecting regular people anymore

the only ones protecting them ...are Democratic Socialists.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@PsychoNiff

i dont need your vid.

i'm quite thoroughly aware of Nolan political compass spectrum, dozens of other political spectrum charts/diagrams per i'm a graduate with Poli Sci degree and sociology degrees.

my degrees are integral component of one of my career positions.

i work for the Center For American Progress, as an assistant. you may know it?

telling me to become acquainted, enlightened by the Left / Right spectrum and non-linear spectrum models like the Nolan, is rather adorable ; 3

[PsychoNiff]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq Ok, define, Communism, Facism, Socilism and Nazism, explain how exactly they differ on a general basis of what they seek in a society.

[Fireflygamer]

@PsychoNiff Communism seeks to control everything in the name of treating everyone equally. Fascism seeks to control everything in order to benefit the privileged few. Nazism is a form of Fascism. Socialism seeks to help the disadvantaged people of a society in order to make the whole society better.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@Fireflygamer

thanks i appreciate all your several brilliant insightful comments you put at this vid. ; D

please comments my other vids & my channel much more i need your thoughts. i cordially welcome you return to comment my vids anytime. i'm needing help & support ; D

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@PsychoNiff

instead of your contrived "YT search" with prearranged desired results

...NOT the "True" spectrum ...but the actual practically evident reality-based Political Spectrum:

1) Class Privilege Wealth-Hoarding Hierarchy VS Financial/Economic Equality

2) Privatized Tyranny VS Equitable Public Wealth Distribution

3) Publicly funded free Elections VS fake Elections bought by the Rich

4) "Constitutional Republic" (Authoritarian-Capitalist Fascist Tyranny) ...VS Democratic Socialist Republic

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@PsychoNiff

why did you make that vid suggestions?

you're a Libertarian Capitalist Ultra-Conservative who will say "i'm neither Left or Right i'm just mad as hell" right? lol

Left and Right are just two marionettes controlled by the same evil Jewish banker Puppet master, huh? ; P

[MsZeitgeist85]

The Problem here is that Libertarian has the opposite definition that it has in Europe. In Europe it means Socialist.

LIke how to Libertarians in the USA having low wages and less benifits = freedom.

[tomitstube]

these "tea baggers" were orchestrated by corporations and their hundreds of front groups. it starts in washington with uber-right christian reconstructionist politicians (the family) demint, inhoffe, brownback, sanford, etc, they are called by the koch brothers and members of "alec", who're told to create a diversion and opposition to a bill, the christian nationalists then call pastor sects and their mega churches, who in turn instruct their clueless flocks.

and you get nonsense like this.

[lemmidos]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq Yes, your ignorance is utterly stunning. To attack someone and try and make them out to be a Nazi, because they dismiss a childish intellectually bankrupt binary opposition, which is used (and effectively it seems) to make you unable to look beyond tribalism, and without any hint of evidence, save for correlation, fuck, just makes you look like utter twerp.

[Rundstedt1]

@lemmidos (1/4)

It's obvious that you didn't even read vamps polite response to you, or maybe you don't understand what she explained about the differing types of Libertarianism or that the modern 'free-market' libertarian ideology supports the exact same elitist power structure the Nazis did. The 'free-market' ideology is little more than a means to corporate power, just as fascism was a means to corporate and large trust monopolistic power.

[Rundstedt1]

@lemmidos (2/4)

A 'free-market' 'small gov't' state is a corporate fascist state where the corporations can do what they wish because there is no governmental power to restrain them. Filling the power vacuum left by eviscerated gov't they become the gov't, it makes civil power a personal possession for the benefit of the large capitalist class, just as fascism wished and just as feudalistic as fascism, a true Neo-Feudalism.

[Rundstedt1]

@lemmidos (3/4)

"..we must also acknowledge the fact that many post-war movements on the extreme right have embraced Libertarian or 'new-right' economics in an attempt to reinvent themselves and to compete with the mainstream conservative parties" "The Routledge Companion to Fascism and the Far Right" p147

[Rundstedt1]

@lemmidos (4/4)

"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147

So all fascism really did was combine conservativism with a new populist energy, just like the Rightwing teabaggers

[turnofffox]

@Rundstedt1 Well done! GOLD sTAR!

[zsylvana]

@lemmidos Your propositions and questions are not only false but nonsensical. Consequently we cannot give any answer to your propositions and questions, but can only point out that they are nonsensical. Your propositions and questions arise from your failure to understand both logic language as well your problems to deal with facts

[zsylvana]

@lemmidos Notice where your life ends up as a Libertarian: either as a loser on the internet who lives with his parents (Reason TV subscribers) or as some nut who gets famous only for going insane and killing people.

[lemmidos]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq lol, if you had read any early American libertarian authors, you would know they were mixed socialist, left anarchists, constitutionalists, and proponents of Lockean property rights - SOMETIMES AT THE SAME TIME. Things aren't as simple as your argumentum ad populum purports. The Nazis adhered to a 'ethno-staatsozialismus' as a vehicle to propagate their essentialist racial structure, it is a fusion of supposed 'left-wing' politics with supposed 'right-wing' politics.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@lemmidos

the Libertarians i'm criticizing are the Vulgar Libertarians or pseudo-Libertarians, the "Libertarian Conservative Capitalists, the contradiction to real (Left Democratic ) Libertarianism.

i'm not criticizing the original authentic Libertarianism, the Left Democratic (mixed Socialist) Libertarianism of the 18th century nor the original Anarchists, the Anarcho-Socialists and Anarcho-Democrats who were anti-Capitalists and anti-Statist. you misunderstand me.

[BeingNobody1956]

packs of ignorant barking dogs, afraid to acxtually discuss things. that is how republicans "debate". they want to put you on defensive immediately, making you feel attacked, hoping you will quit trying to make your point and leave, and they would call that being victorious. they know they are not intelligent enough to actually discuss the issues

[purplehawk517]

@seanmartvt09 Your idea of a "true" conservative is, in fact, an anarchist.

[seanmartvt09]

@purplehawk517 Having a government with good monetary policies does not mean theres no law. Business's would still have to follow the rules, and fraud would still be punished. Criminals would still go to jail and police would still protect and serve. not interfering with the natural bust and boom of the business cycle does not mean anarchy, its simply a reflection of reality.

[UnknownVisions]

Nazi's are authoritarian, not libertarian.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

oh my mistake. LOL. let's just parse the subtle nuanced differences and exaggerate the differences because presentation and appearance is more important than substance. LOL

Libertarians are for wage garnishment.

we wouldnt want American "Libertarians'" appearance to be garnisheed, would we? LOL

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

@UnknownVisions

Ayn Rand - Von Mises "Libertarian" Conservatives and Tea Party "Patriot" fake Libertarian Conservatives are very Authoritarian economically (Fascist).

[GrievousCommander]

You mistakenly put the words "Libertarian" and "Nazi" together.

Libertarianism is individualism, and does not concern any post or prior social issues.

Nazism is a form of facism, much different.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

all yah had to do was tell me & explain it. it's all so clear. thanks. LOL

i believe your Negation Historical Revisionism & i'll now join your delusional distorted ignorance of history, economic & political science & sociology.

if only there was a real Monty Python-like "ministry of silly walks", i'd call them & refer you.

i'm sorry but all Fictional commentaries and Amusing accounts, Embellished or Imagined (or Hallucinated) must be submitted in the form of a private message or UPS Air.

[GrievousCommander]

LOL, wut?

You merely have to search "Libertarianism" on Wikipedia to get the same answer.

Libertarianism being linked to Fascism is a distortion, my dear, one propagated by those with a far-left mindset.

Fascism proposes a strong central government that bolsters selected corporations and social groups based on a central social ideology.

True libertarianism holds that central government is ultimately inefficient, and that consumers are best at governing themselves, all things irrelevant.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

yes. that's the popular Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, Mises Institute, Lew Rockwell, "Libertarian" agreed upon assertions to respond to "far-left minded" people like me,

yah know, Keynesian pro-Capitalist "far-left" people like me.

but you fail to understand or acknowledge deeper realities, the causes & effects, real life results of the implementation of "Libertarian" policies & how they'd affect society in real ways, sociologically.

[GrievousCommander]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq

At least you're a Keynesian. Some people who post the vids are outright socialists.

Although, Keynesians are considered to be at the far-left of the Capitalist sphere, so I wasn't completely wrong.

If you knew the difference, why the act?

Tacking "Nazi" on something without basis is just not right.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

but it's very far from without basis in fact, evidence and records. refer to other comments at other vids for the answers.

[GrievousCommander]

@VampiressOnDaProwlq

Cool story, sis.

I'll do it for great justice.

[Whatchagonado]

Libertarianism is simply propaganda, much like the Nazis. Of course they claim to believe in "freedom" and "individuality." That's good propaganda, Goebbels would have been proud.

But the whole movement is funded by corporatist overlords (Koch Family Foundations) and populated primarily by ignorant bigots.

More similarities with the Nazis, who were also supported by wealthy elites and ignorant bigots.

[GrievousCommander]

Anything you don't like is "propaganda".

Also, cool story bro.

[Whatchagonado]

@GrievousCommander

What I don't like are lies and bigots. Referring to yourself as "pro-freedom" is pure propaganda.

Its not a novel concept, witness:

"There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the Fatherland." -Adolf Hitler

Every totalitarian fascist will declare himself "pro-freedom."

[GrievousCommander]

Bowie knives are kewl.

[GrievousCommander]

Where did that come from?

You assume too much.

[Whatchagonado]

@GrievousCommander

you are incoherent

[GrievousCommander]

You are incorrect.

Libertarianism is the ideology of individualism.

The Libertarianism you're referring to is a misconception that has been inexorably linked to those on the far-right of the political spectrum. It's a misconception unique to America. Most Europeans use the term Libertarian correctly.

It's incoherent to say that Libertarianism is fascism. Would you call Penn Jillette an idiot?

[Will1219]

This is sickening.These bastards are using there religions and money which they have been stealing from there own people in justifying there fucked up agenda. People need to open there eyes.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

thanks for the comment. did you see my other vids?

[purplehawk517]

You're big with the name-calling, aren't you?

You're right. It was a Dem resolution, but that only goes to prove just how much more sensible Democrats are than their Republican counterparts.

We KNOW McCain was not born in the USA, yet they were willing to resolve that his birth in the Canal Zone didn't matter.

Contrast that to the wacko Birther dogs.

[garbear708]

Someone should take this wacko out...

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

who are you refering to as the wacko?

[purplehawk517]

It was a Republican Senate resolution, as McCain was born in the Canal Zone. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama signed on.

The Birthers, on the other hand, persist despite confirmed fact that the President was indeed born in the USA.

[VinceP1974]

This bitch has "GOP Thug" on her graphic?

These Leftists are so insane it's almost like they're Muslims in thier mental derangement.

[VampiressOnDaProwlq]

These Right-wing Protesters are so wackadoodle delusional it's like they're Evangelical Christian in their mental derangement.

you know nothing of Muslims, their dozens of varieties of different cultures + kinds of Islam.

your astounding ignorance of these complexities of Muslims, most either Agnostic, Atheist or spiritual but very secular + critical of Islam too. only a fraction are serious Muslim.

only a fraction of that fraction are extremists.

like Far Right Christian Extremists.

[purplehawk517]

The righties are certainly acting like thugs, aren't they? I think her use of the term is justified based on their behavior.

The last time I saw conservatives act up this badly was during the civil rights movement in the 1960's. The only things missing are the dogs and firehoses.

[VinceP1974]

thug: a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.

Maybe he should choose his words better

[purplehawk517]

Sounds like a pretty good definition of the Republican leadership to me.

[purplehawk517]

P.S. Sounds like a good description of the teabaggers, too, and the Birthers. In short, the Republican base.

[CCHustla]

ANy California Types out there? Does this sound familiar? Remember how Prop 8 got passed on blatant lies and highly funded scare tactics? Not to mention Yes on 8 blackmailing companies for donations by threatening boycott? Also people from other states working together to jam the No on 8 sites? AND the mormom church funding a huge percentage of the Yes on8 campaign...The result? Prop8 passed, stripping many CA citzens of a fundemental right.

Same thing is lining up now folks, take a good look

[xiola6969]

The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize.

[xiola6969]

But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously)

[xiola6969]

directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity

[xiola6969]

watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts. George Washington farewell address