I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if law enforcement made up a new rule that's not on the books and arrested you for it. There is nothing good about police that abuse their authority. Those responsible should be removed from the police force so that they won't be able to harm anyone else...
Where do people like you come from that has so little regard for the rule of law???
@Gajbudja21 u need to shut up and if u dont like it well get the hell out of here and dont search this up cuzz ur dumb ass would search it up u rasis peace of shit
If you want to live in america...great...but please try to learn the language so you can communicate with the rest of us and we with you. Why racism is being brought up around this issue is beyond me
The reason why racism might be brought into this discussion is because this lady was issued a ticket for a crime that doesn't exist. There are many non-English speaking vacationers from all over the planet who drive here, but this lady was singled out because she is Latino. I doubt that a French tourist would have been given the ticket for not speaking English while driving. There's not enough evidence to prove that racism was involved, but it seems highly plausible in this instance...
Texas cops are not trained for this, they are just assholes. Another story, a guy in Taos N.M. look him up...whittman. he's from Abilene tx, where i moved from to Dallas, also white being an asshole to hispanics. I hate to say I'm from Tx with all these pigs masquerading as caring for others bullshit.
I enjoy the discussions as long as they aren't with people filled with hate.
Barkley probably realizes the flaw in his logic. He implies that there might not be any poor people if the GOP controlled everything. The problem is that the GOP is always fighting against the common man in favor of corporate interests & greed. Poor people would have been much worse off if the GOP had been in control. The last 8 years is living proof of that. While the rich got richer, everyone else suffered...
As a culture we are too afraid of being politically correct.I see this as one of our greatest barriers.Obama does not set a good example, as he has the thinnest of skin.I understand that Whites still have an upper-hand in this country,but pity serves no purpose, and this is what I see directed at minority communities.I find it to be an insult to their intelligence on behalf of the bleeding-heart-lily-white liberals
Can you give an example of why you think that Obama has a thin skin???
FYI: I am a proud Liberal/Progressive. I can debate that with you if you want. It really has nothing to do with whether a lady should have been issued a ticket for a traffic violation that doesn't exist though. I would think the party against Big Government would not be trying to force its laws on anyone. Forcing someone to learn English so that they might have a better chance to succeed is Big Government in action...
FYI: Obama is even worse than Bush!! I can't believe it!! He has already tripled our deficit!! Lemme guess, he did that because he "had too" because of "Bush". Bwaahahahaaa!!
Let's add a Trillion more for healthcare and quadruple it while were at it!
Obama has played more golf in 9 months than Bush did in his first 3 years! You were conned by a used car salesman who promises, but never delivers.
You can call me a racist all you want, but this 48 year old's daughter is an anchor baby Bye
You may not be a racist, but you aren't too bright. GW increased our deficits from $5-11 TRILLION in 8 years. Right now, the deficit is still under $12 TRILLION. The facts don't support your premise...
Obama was left a real mess by your savior GW. If your house burns down, would you spend money to rebuild or would you continue living in the burned out shell? it costs a lot of money to rebuild. Obama didn't create the problem but the mess was left for him to clean up...
In addition, your man was on one of his many vacations for the month preceding 911. He was told about the threat to the US, but he chose to ignore it. GW spent more time on vacation at his ranch than any president in the history of the US. I would rather have Obama playing golf for a few hours than GW spending all the time he spent away from the White House. GW was a disaster for this country and your party. I hope you can understand that or will be able to sometime in the future...
Exacly!! Thats ridicolous, how about the DL that she didn have while she was driving, how about the sign! they are just focus on that one stupid thing, but anyway it was her fault !! I think she not supoused to pay ticket for that, but they should stop making that all drama about discrimination, race, and shit like that. I believe the policeman is not a racist. Sometimes its dificult to understand people, her daughter could help her :) / poor lady, poor kid who was late, OH COME ON !!
So you are ok with police officers making up their own laws and ticketing people for the made up offense? Are you seriously encouraging our law enforcement officers to break the laws by making stuff up just to suit their own biases???
Speak english or walk, that should be the law. The officer was right to ticket her for not having her DL and making illegal u-turn. The reason she did illegal u-turn is likely because she don't speak english. As such what officer did was correct. If she don't like it...she is welcome to back to California or even her home country.
You have a right to your opinion. Believe it or not, English speaking drivers ignore traffic signs all the time. So what makes you think that she didn't understand the signs? No U-Turn signs have NO TEXT on them, just a graphic. Anyone would understand what it means because there are no words on the signs...
I really don't like your attitude, so why don't you go back to your own home country? Do you see how ignorant that sounds? Learn some tolerance my friend...
I just saw that one, sorry...anyway as I wrote "I think she not supoused to pay ticket for that " I definitely agree, but people making drama all the time, of course she is not gonna pay for this , because of the law, but the law is also telling you to drive ur car with ur DL, and the sign could everyone understand, cause as you said, it just a sign without text :) so? Im not ok with Police making up their own law, no one does ...
No, she won't pay this ticket. But 39 people who were cited for the same reason did pay the fine even though it should have been clear when they went to pay that the ticket was invalid. Everyone who paid the fine will be reimbursed, but their money should never have been accepted to begin with. For this to have happened to so many people shows that this is a big problem in that precinct. There are too many people in uniform who feel they have a right to make up their own laws & enforce them.
Yes, since the Republicans are the ones making the most stink about Latinos, it is logical to believe that the officer who wrote this ticket was a Republican. Just because you don't like that opinion doesn't make it false...
I never said it was false, I just think it is pig-headed, like you. Can I make generalizations about Mexicans and Hispanics now since you obviously condone stereotyping?
Many don't ever attempt to learn English, they just use their children as translators. Living in Texas has taught me that.
You can make your argument without stooping to name calling. Like you said, it doesn't prove anything. There is no evidence to support the theory that the officer is Republican. I know a lot of Democrats though and don't know any of them who fuss about the Latinos and learning English. That is a GOP talking point, so logically, the assumption can be made that the officer is a Republican based on issuing a ticket for a "crime" that only exists in the minds of Republicans...
Florida. I still don't think it matters where we are from. I hope we can all agree that the police are not allowed to make up their own laws. I hope we can agree that if/when they do, the officer will be corrected when the person goes to pay the fine. They should have known that there was a problem when 39 other people arrived to pay their fine for driving without knowing English since they should have known at that point that the officers were screwing up. They turned a blind eye instead.
We can certainly agree that an officer cannot enforce something that which does not exist.
I will, however, never apologize for my belief that if you want to succeed, or even live, in this country you should be able to speak English, or at least try. It is the respectful thing to do.
In Texas you have entire classrooms near the border waving Mexican flags, sorry I have such a problem with that.
Ok, we have found common ground. I agree that it is easier to succeed if you can speak English. We also agree that the police aren't allowed to make up their own laws...
Every wave of immigrants throughout our history has been faced by the same problem. The parents find it difficult to learn English, but their children blend in well. The first generation rarely does well because of the limitations in learning a second language at an older age. The children don't have that problem...
Look Nightrider, I know I come off as terse, even an asshole maybe, but I see the problems this causes first hand. Lack of assimilation breeds xenophobia in the weak minded, which turns to violence. Lack of assimilation means less job opportunities, for parents and children alike. Lack of assimilation breeds divide. Multi-culturalism has been proven time and time again to be negative when taken to the extreme. I love Latino culture, I grew up In San Antonio, but many do not assimilate so(cont
You are mild compared to many Conservatives. We should be able to have a civil conversation on any topic in this country.
Very few 1st gen immigrants assimilate. They never have, especially non-English speaking ones. The older we get, the harder it is to learn. It is not laziness or an unwillingness to assimilate. Our brains lose Neural Plasticity when we age making it much more difficult to learn a foreign language. You can't change that limiting physical factor through legislation...
quickly or put forth the effort that it seems Ernestina did with her daughter. It is the exception that family do not assimilate to some degree, if not a large one, but the ones that do not still are in high numbers, and those are the ones who need entitlements. With the birth-rate of the Hispanic community being over double of that of whites/blacks it is my estimation that eventually we will reach a point of diminishing returns. We were built on immigration AND Assimilation, not just the former
The 1st gen immigrants eventually die and their decedents seem to assimilate just fine. That's how it has always been. There may come a day when our country becomes majority Latino. If you are still around, you better hope that they don't try to legislate that Spanish be the only legal language recognized in the US. Many English speakers would be in serious trouble if they were forced to learn Spanish, especially if they have to learn it at an advanced age...
I'm trying to understand why you think it is ok for police officers to make up their own laws and ticket people. It really shouldn't matter where you live or how you formed your opinions, we should all agree that it is illegal for the police to make up their own laws. If this rookie was the only one doing it, I would understand. But 39 others were also ticketed for the same offence and some of them even paid their fines. How they were able to specify the amount of the fine is beyond me...
Sorry, I was away, and WOW....you two...anyway, that was my point, it is clearly a republican issue. I couldn't imagine a Dem. going out of his/her way to ticket someone with a false charge of, well...being Mexican. Does that mean that tourists from Europe are not welcome to drive through Texas? And at what point does someone speak English? Who makes that decision? Texas cops are trained for this?
Also, I don't think Texas is special. Florida has LOTS and LOTS of people that have immigrated from Spanish speaking countries. And I have never seen such a thing.
I have many Latino friends here in Florida. The younger ones learn English very quickly & assimilate easily. The older generation really struggles. That is not caused from laziness or an unwillingness to fit in. It is a problem with Neural Plasticity. WE all suffer from this as we age. It makes it MUCH more difficult to learn a 2nd language. WE cannot legislate that physical limitation away. The GOP can hold there breath until they are blue and that won't change our physical limitations.
I agree it would be very hard to become fluent in a new language especially after a certain age it's the attempt that I would find respectful and honorable. I'm sure this woman is a lovely person. I don't think there's anything wrong with hoping or wanting people to learn english when they choose to live here.
Due to diminishing Neural Plasticity, it may be impossible for many to learn a foreign language at a later stage in life. There is no way to legislate against a physical limitation that affects every single one of us as we age. We can hope and want people to learn English, but if their physical limitations prevents it, it doesn't really matter what we want or hope. No amount of effort will change reality of how our brains function as we get older...
You think I've been "nasty"? You've seen nothing yet!
Politics has never been a nice game. I argue my points strongly, if you find that offense I'd stay out. I've heard Franken use name-calling and employ ad-hominem attacks numerous times against rivals, BTW.
You can present your arguments without being nasty. I'm not sure how being nasty would help your cause. So far, for the most part, you have been civil in this discussion. There is no reason to change that even though we probably disagree on EVERY issue. Once you have to resort to being nasty and name calling, that is usually a sign that you are losing the argument and have run out of ammunition. It definitely doesn't help to convince anyone to adjust their views based on your arguments...
I would be interested in hearing what Franken said that you think crossed the line. If it is true, it shouldn't be difficult to find examples to support it. Could you provide links???
From what I have seen so far, Franken has been an exemplary Senator, which really pisses off the GOP leadership. They were hoping for a clown...
ALERT: Texas cops will be deploying a new English test on everyone pulled over. Every cop will be required to grade these tests, and decide who speaks proper English.
The Libertarians almost always side with the Republicans. I doubt many Libertarians vote or register as Democrats. They do vote for Republicans en masse though. It is pretty safe to say that Libertarians = Republicans based on their voting history. Ron Paul = Libertarian = Republican. If you are not an Elephant, who do you normally vote for? The Libertarian Party never wins anything so if you are voting for them, you have been wasting your vote...
I don't know of a single Democrat who is making a big issue out of this. The Libertarians and Republicans seem to be walking in lock step on this issue, which isn't surprising since they seem to agree on a large majority of issues.
It would be very surprising to find out that this "rookie" cop is a Democrat. It just isn't in our blood to harass people like that.
I imagine that Texans welcome Europeans who don't speak English all the time. Their problem is with Latinos, not language...
I am a Liberal and white. Your response is silly. The only ones crying about a war on Christmas every year is Bill O'Reilly and the other Fox commentators. Most Liberals enjoy Christmas just like everyone else. Your silly response is simply a Red Herring for this discussion...
I agree with you Nightrider- this lady didn't do anything wrong except for illegal U turn & left her driver license home, but not speaking English & get a ticket for that? give me a break ! She is driving a 18 wheeler so I don't see the point for that officer to give her a ticket.
PS: By the way I am a progressive & proud Liberal Democrat.
I hope we can all agree that the lady didn't break any English speaking laws. There is no law to break anywhere in the US. It doesn't matter whether we are Liberal, conservative, libertarian, Democrat, republican, short, tall, fat, skinny, etc. We should still be able to agree on this one issue. This is not a matter of opinion. This has nothing to do with politics, religion, sports, or any other divisive issue. It is about the letter of the law, which in this case is black & white...
You made an excellent point. She didn't break any laws as far as her inability to speak English & furthermore she is not driving any 18 wheeler which required her to pass a set of CDL test which is in English, so the ticket she got is unwarranted & she should see the local traffic judge to annul it.
They did contest the ticket and won. In doing so, the department found that 39 others had been wrongly ticketed for the same offense. They should have caught this a long time ago. Someone in the department had to be turning a blind eye to what was going on. They had to know what was going on when the first person went to pay their fine. The Dept should have corrected this after the first ticket, not 39 tickets later. This appears to have been department condoned harassment to me...
ROFL good! Keep the heat on these people and eventually they'll try to fit in. If I ever moved to a foreign country Id show respect and learn the damned language.
You're young, so you might have a good chance of being able to learn a foreign language right now. Wait until you're older and see how difficult it becomes. Don't be so quick to condemn and judge until you have a pretty good understanding of what you you're talking about. You may not be so demanding once you have walked a mile in their shoes. I hope you get the chance some day...
Pretty good since the shape and color of the signs are pretty universal. I'm sure she is used to seeing the same signs only with Spanish written on them from her home country. You really don't need to be able to read the words to understand most road signs. Here in Florida, vacationers from all over the world come here to travel. They rent and drive with very little trouble even though a lot of them don't know any English. The words on the signs are ambiguous and are unnecessary...
Anytime the government fucks up, weather its federal or state, the fuckers excuses are that they are either rookies or currently in training... and cmon its Dallas PD!!! They are just as bad as LA PD or any other currupted as city...
And what will it be next...DWB? Oh wait, we already have that in effect. Perhaps DWA(Driving While Asian) Darn, already in effect. Understand this: There exists, in law enforcement, a sub culture that allows bias and racism to pervade its inner core. They might not like to admit it, but it does exist.
Did you mean "So what"? There is no law that requires that a person speak English before they can drive. So why would she get ticketed for breaking a non-existent law? It's a form of harassment, that's why...
as long as she can read "stop" "yield" and "no right on red" shes fine, but she should get on the whole learning english thing... idk my great grand parents back in the day learned it, but whatever
She doesn't need to be able to read stop, yield, etc. These signs are easily distinguishable by their unique shapes & colors. The shape and colors are universally recognized, so the words on the signs are ambiguous. Most people would know what the signs mean even if there were no words written on them...
I'm happy that your GGPs were able to learn English at an advanced age. The older we get, the harder it is to learn a language. It has to do with the neural networks in our brains...
Perhaps before you demand that others learn English, you should do it first. Once you master the language, if you ever do, then you can be pompous and demand that everyone else learn English too. It is always amazing to see so many people with such a terrible grasp of our own native language are so demanding of others.
Go learn a foreign language and then come back and tell us how easy it was. Since you have so much trouble with English, I doubt a second language will come easily for you.
In your comment, there were 26 words with 18 errors. That's not too impressive for someone who is a native speaker. Did you drop out of school before Middle School or were you Home Schooled???
There are at least five errors in your 19-word declaration that you have "master [sic] the English language." That's more than one error every fourth word. You even screwed up "mastered." See the irony?
Let me correct that reply for you while you write up your confession (get help with that, BTW).
In English, that would be:
"I have a Bachelor of Science degree and have proved many times over that I have mastered the English language."
This is the internet and i type fast, so yes i make mitsakes and no i don't care that I mistiyping words as you can read them anyway. This lady can't even speak enlgish. Yes the mistyping is done on error. So deal with it.
So, English doesn't count on the Internet, because your errors are all "typos." Except that you used incorrect forms and misused the adjective "proven." Those aren't typos, unless "d" and "n" are in totally different places on your crazy keyboard.
Great that you don't care that you're a hypocrite, but I do hope you're typing so quickly because you're in a rush to turn yourself in for this crime that, contrary to your near-illiterate pleas, doesn't actually exist.
if you listen carefully, you'll notice that she get a ticket for not to have a driver's license( by law you need that document on you, not at home, if you are driving) and illegal u turn is another violation. Good for the officer, good job, If you don't speak english, then respect the laws.......this is unbelivable, she broke the law and she is the victim, WHAT A BIG COUNTRY.
She was given a ticket for breaking a law that doesn't exist. And after research, it appears that at least 39 others have been ticketed for the same offense. That is not a crime in any State in the US. Those who paid the fine will be reimbursed. The real question is why didn't they discover this mistake earlier? They should have known there was a problem when the first person was ticketed. How did they determine what the fine should be when there is no law for this nonsense ticket???
Also, who the hell even made up the fine? Cops don't set the fines. Whoever was deciding how much they should pay was trying to write the law themselves, and should probably be prosecuted.
I'm guessing that those who were writing these tickets were intentionally harassing Latinos, like Sheriff Arpaio does in Arizona. And they had supporters and enablers inside the department who were more than happy to jump on the bandwagon to strip Latinos of their Constitutionally guaranteed Civil Rights. Now that they have been caught, they are doing damage control. They really need to get rid of the haters within the department before they are allowed to victimize anyone else...
If you'll listen carefully, you'll hear that IT WAS AT HOME. No one seems to claim otherwise, and they obviously would have checked when she went to court.
Also, last time I checked, charging someone with something that isn't even a crime is a much bigger no-no than driving without a license or making an illegal u-turn. So your "good for the cop because she broke two minor laws" thing is insane.
False imprisonment = violation of civil liberties spelled out in the US the constitution.
Making an illegal u-turn and leaving your license at home = traffic tickets.
Any real citizen should know this. Are you sure you're not here illegally?
How many foreign languages do you know? You're still young, so you should still be able to learn them fairly quickly if you try...
I took Russian and Spanish in my 30s along with many others in my age group. NONE of us were able to master either language. After 10 quarters of taking these 2 languages, I know almost nothing of them. Learning a foreign language is not easy, especially for those learning later in life. I doubt that I could go to a foreign country and learn their language...
I would actually bet money that ylen13 is not a native English speaker. There seem to be signs that English is not his or her first language in those posts ("master" instead of "mastered" and the omission of the "a" in the first post jump out to me).
Your points are definitely valid, though, especially about older learners. It's tough.
I was thinking the same thing. There are far too many "mistakes" in his/her posts. But unfortunately, I have seen a lot of Americans who have a poor grasp of their own native language too. So the "mistakes" don't prove whether (s)he is a native speaker or not. I simply provides a hint that (s)he may not be.
It would be sad to think that a non-native would have been poisoned by the radical right after they arrived here. I would hope a non-native speaker would show a little more tolerance.
The Internet also seems to be a breeding ground for hate and intolerance too. That doesn't mean that we all have to be infected with the illness. There are far too many FOX inspired haters in this country. If your hate is derived from being a FOX fan, perhaps you should change the channel and watch something else for a while. Your hateful drivel is not welcome in a civil society. There are no laws against driving while Latino or any other nationality. Stop watching Dobbs and Beck...
So Fox news lied to me? Are you serious that they lied to me about law existing, that requires driver(s) to speak English in order to operate motor vehicle? OMG I can not believe that Fox news would lie to me.
Yes, if FOX told you that it is illegal to drive and not speak English, then they lied to you. It wouldn't be surprising since FOX lies about a lot of things. FOX is a purveyor of hate and intolerance. If you are a regular viewer of FOX, it certainly would explain your attitude here. The best thing you can do for yourself is to change the channel. Hopefully it is not to late for you already...
If they told you there was such a law, yes, that was a lie. I doubt that that's the case, however, since--and again, anyone who watched the above story would know this--THERE IS NO SUCH LAW. I doubt that Fox would report such a thing, though, since it's just so flatly untrue.
Please watch the story and do some homework before trying to weigh in on it. It's clear at this point that you haven't even bothered to watch the story, let alone check your facts.
Sounds like you have a "Bachelors of Dick sucking degree", you Moron! Nice of your mom to home school you in her favorite subject, you INBRED Degenerate!
It was still an appalling comment to make, even if directed at someone with views as uninformed and idiotic as ylen13. Can't we all just get along?
Also, last time I checked dick sucking makes a lot of people happy each and every day, very often two at a time. Let's not badmouth it by associating it with racism.
I don't care what people think of my comments but yes that is partially what i have done. It's actually fun to see the replys you get from people that otherwise you would never talk to.
Actually you seem to have trouble with the language yourself. Perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to drive until you can prove that you have mastered the language. I suspect that we won't be seeing you driving on our roads for a very long time...
The same thing happened in Rome almost 1600 years ago.Now the occupant at 1600 condones this.
ImDavidGurney 8 months ago
@ImDavidGurney Your comment makes absolutely no sense...
NightriderXP1 8 months ago
u go girl if i was u i would of sew dem
yolie327 1 year ago
good police should give more tickets,she should speak english
Gajbudja21 1 year ago
I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if law enforcement made up a new rule that's not on the books and arrested you for it. There is nothing good about police that abuse their authority. Those responsible should be removed from the police force so that they won't be able to harm anyone else...
Where do people like you come from that has so little regard for the rule of law???
NightriderXP1 1 year ago
@Gajbudja21 u need to shut up and if u dont like it well get the hell out of here and dont search this up cuzz ur dumb ass would search it up u rasis peace of shit
yolie327 1 year ago
kill the fucken cop, he pulled me over just to talk shit, got his ass right back to, stupid ass
upac4400cw 2 years ago
It's sad that some white folk say they are not racist... Through out '09 I'd like to think otherwise...
frostedhead 2 years ago
If you want to live in america...great...but please try to learn the language so you can communicate with the rest of us and we with you. Why racism is being brought up around this issue is beyond me
thesmokinggardener 2 years ago
The reason why racism might be brought into this discussion is because this lady was issued a ticket for a crime that doesn't exist. There are many non-English speaking vacationers from all over the planet who drive here, but this lady was singled out because she is Latino. I doubt that a French tourist would have been given the ticket for not speaking English while driving. There's not enough evidence to prove that racism was involved, but it seems highly plausible in this instance...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
This is a very embarassing situation for the Dallas Police Department. The last comment by the reporter says it all, " more traning."
ivvio 2 years ago
Texas cops are not trained for this, they are just assholes. Another story, a guy in Taos N.M. look him up...whittman. he's from Abilene tx, where i moved from to Dallas, also white being an asshole to hispanics. I hate to say I'm from Tx with all these pigs masquerading as caring for others bullshit.
patzgirl3 2 years ago
"Poor people been voting Democrat for the last fifty years...and they're still poor" -- Charles Barkley.
Ok, off the soap box now! Thanks for debate nightrider. You're not so bad afterall!
mtb416 2 years ago
I enjoy the discussions as long as they aren't with people filled with hate.
Barkley probably realizes the flaw in his logic. He implies that there might not be any poor people if the GOP controlled everything. The problem is that the GOP is always fighting against the common man in favor of corporate interests & greed. Poor people would have been much worse off if the GOP had been in control. The last 8 years is living proof of that. While the rich got richer, everyone else suffered...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
As a culture we are too afraid of being politically correct.I see this as one of our greatest barriers.Obama does not set a good example, as he has the thinnest of skin.I understand that Whites still have an upper-hand in this country,but pity serves no purpose, and this is what I see directed at minority communities.I find it to be an insult to their intelligence on behalf of the bleeding-heart-lily-white liberals
mtb416 2 years ago
Can you give an example of why you think that Obama has a thin skin???
FYI: I am a proud Liberal/Progressive. I can debate that with you if you want. It really has nothing to do with whether a lady should have been issued a ticket for a traffic violation that doesn't exist though. I would think the party against Big Government would not be trying to force its laws on anyone. Forcing someone to learn English so that they might have a better chance to succeed is Big Government in action...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
FYI: Obama is even worse than Bush!! I can't believe it!! He has already tripled our deficit!! Lemme guess, he did that because he "had too" because of "Bush". Bwaahahahaaa!!
Let's add a Trillion more for healthcare and quadruple it while were at it!
Obama has played more golf in 9 months than Bush did in his first 3 years! You were conned by a used car salesman who promises, but never delivers.
You can call me a racist all you want, but this 48 year old's daughter is an anchor baby Bye
mtb416 2 years ago
You may not be a racist, but you aren't too bright. GW increased our deficits from $5-11 TRILLION in 8 years. Right now, the deficit is still under $12 TRILLION. The facts don't support your premise...
Obama was left a real mess by your savior GW. If your house burns down, would you spend money to rebuild or would you continue living in the burned out shell? it costs a lot of money to rebuild. Obama didn't create the problem but the mess was left for him to clean up...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
In addition, your man was on one of his many vacations for the month preceding 911. He was told about the threat to the US, but he chose to ignore it. GW spent more time on vacation at his ranch than any president in the history of the US. I would rather have Obama playing golf for a few hours than GW spending all the time he spent away from the White House. GW was a disaster for this country and your party. I hope you can understand that or will be able to sometime in the future...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
What's wrong with expecting people who live here to speak english.
thesmokinggardener 2 years ago
Exacly!! Thats ridicolous, how about the DL that she didn have while she was driving, how about the sign! they are just focus on that one stupid thing, but anyway it was her fault !! I think she not supoused to pay ticket for that, but they should stop making that all drama about discrimination, race, and shit like that. I believe the policeman is not a racist. Sometimes its dificult to understand people, her daughter could help her :) / poor lady, poor kid who was late, OH COME ON !!
steptoyoursoul 2 years ago
So you are ok with police officers making up their own laws and ticketing people for the made up offense? Are you seriously encouraging our law enforcement officers to break the laws by making stuff up just to suit their own biases???
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Speak english or walk, that should be the law. The officer was right to ticket her for not having her DL and making illegal u-turn. The reason she did illegal u-turn is likely because she don't speak english. As such what officer did was correct. If she don't like it...she is welcome to back to California or even her home country.
ylen13 2 years ago
You have a right to your opinion. Believe it or not, English speaking drivers ignore traffic signs all the time. So what makes you think that she didn't understand the signs? No U-Turn signs have NO TEXT on them, just a graphic. Anyone would understand what it means because there are no words on the signs...
I really don't like your attitude, so why don't you go back to your own home country? Do you see how ignorant that sounds? Learn some tolerance my friend...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I just saw that one, sorry...anyway as I wrote "I think she not supoused to pay ticket for that " I definitely agree, but people making drama all the time, of course she is not gonna pay for this , because of the law, but the law is also telling you to drive ur car with ur DL, and the sign could everyone understand, cause as you said, it just a sign without text :) so? Im not ok with Police making up their own law, no one does ...
steptoyoursoul 2 years ago
No, she won't pay this ticket. But 39 people who were cited for the same reason did pay the fine even though it should have been clear when they went to pay that the ticket was invalid. Everyone who paid the fine will be reimbursed, but their money should never have been accepted to begin with. For this to have happened to so many people shows that this is a big problem in that precinct. There are too many people in uniform who feel they have a right to make up their own laws & enforce them.
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
must be dumbest cop not only in the USA but in whole world
RICK11211 2 years ago
Cops were probably republicans.
Giving false tickets to people sucks.
shizmit11 2 years ago
You're a fucking tool. The uttering of a ignorant minority, most likely.
mtb416 2 years ago
don't you think there are better ways to get your point across? Must you resort to personal attacks?
My opionion is just as important as yours, even if you don't agree with it.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
shizmit11 2 years ago
Your "opionion" means nothing. But thanks for the concern.
mtb416 2 years ago
Yes, since the Republicans are the ones making the most stink about Latinos, it is logical to believe that the officer who wrote this ticket was a Republican. Just because you don't like that opinion doesn't make it false...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I never said it was false, I just think it is pig-headed, like you. Can I make generalizations about Mexicans and Hispanics now since you obviously condone stereotyping?
Many don't ever attempt to learn English, they just use their children as translators. Living in Texas has taught me that.
mtb416 2 years ago
You can make your argument without stooping to name calling. Like you said, it doesn't prove anything. There is no evidence to support the theory that the officer is Republican. I know a lot of Democrats though and don't know any of them who fuss about the Latinos and learning English. That is a GOP talking point, so logically, the assumption can be made that the officer is a Republican based on issuing a ticket for a "crime" that only exists in the minds of Republicans...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
What state do you live in? If I may ask.
mtb416 2 years ago
Does it really matter? Do you approve of law enforcement officers making up their own laws based on their own biases in your State???
I live in a purple State with a GOP dominated Congress and Governor. Does that help? What State are you from???
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
No, I think this Rookie made an ass out of himself.
That doesn't tell me anything, what state specifically. I have already stated what state I am from. You?
mtb416 2 years ago
Florida. I still don't think it matters where we are from. I hope we can all agree that the police are not allowed to make up their own laws. I hope we can agree that if/when they do, the officer will be corrected when the person goes to pay the fine. They should have known that there was a problem when 39 other people arrived to pay their fine for driving without knowing English since they should have known at that point that the officers were screwing up. They turned a blind eye instead.
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
We can certainly agree that an officer cannot enforce something that which does not exist.
I will, however, never apologize for my belief that if you want to succeed, or even live, in this country you should be able to speak English, or at least try. It is the respectful thing to do.
In Texas you have entire classrooms near the border waving Mexican flags, sorry I have such a problem with that.
mtb416 2 years ago
Ok, we have found common ground. I agree that it is easier to succeed if you can speak English. We also agree that the police aren't allowed to make up their own laws...
Every wave of immigrants throughout our history has been faced by the same problem. The parents find it difficult to learn English, but their children blend in well. The first generation rarely does well because of the limitations in learning a second language at an older age. The children don't have that problem...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Look Nightrider, I know I come off as terse, even an asshole maybe, but I see the problems this causes first hand. Lack of assimilation breeds xenophobia in the weak minded, which turns to violence. Lack of assimilation means less job opportunities, for parents and children alike. Lack of assimilation breeds divide. Multi-culturalism has been proven time and time again to be negative when taken to the extreme. I love Latino culture, I grew up In San Antonio, but many do not assimilate so(cont
mtb416 2 years ago
You are mild compared to many Conservatives. We should be able to have a civil conversation on any topic in this country.
Very few 1st gen immigrants assimilate. They never have, especially non-English speaking ones. The older we get, the harder it is to learn. It is not laziness or an unwillingness to assimilate. Our brains lose Neural Plasticity when we age making it much more difficult to learn a foreign language. You can't change that limiting physical factor through legislation...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
quickly or put forth the effort that it seems Ernestina did with her daughter. It is the exception that family do not assimilate to some degree, if not a large one, but the ones that do not still are in high numbers, and those are the ones who need entitlements. With the birth-rate of the Hispanic community being over double of that of whites/blacks it is my estimation that eventually we will reach a point of diminishing returns. We were built on immigration AND Assimilation, not just the former
mtb416 2 years ago
The 1st gen immigrants eventually die and their decedents seem to assimilate just fine. That's how it has always been. There may come a day when our country becomes majority Latino. If you are still around, you better hope that they don't try to legislate that Spanish be the only legal language recognized in the US. Many English speakers would be in serious trouble if they were forced to learn Spanish, especially if they have to learn it at an advanced age...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Forgot. Yes, it does matter. People's views on subject tend to be deeply rooted in location.
mtb416 2 years ago
I'm trying to understand why you think it is ok for police officers to make up their own laws and ticket people. It really shouldn't matter where you live or how you formed your opinions, we should all agree that it is illegal for the police to make up their own laws. If this rookie was the only one doing it, I would understand. But 39 others were also ticketed for the same offence and some of them even paid their fines. How they were able to specify the amount of the fine is beyond me...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Sorry, I was away, and WOW....you two...anyway, that was my point, it is clearly a republican issue. I couldn't imagine a Dem. going out of his/her way to ticket someone with a false charge of, well...being Mexican. Does that mean that tourists from Europe are not welcome to drive through Texas? And at what point does someone speak English? Who makes that decision? Texas cops are trained for this?
shizmit11 2 years ago
Also, I don't think Texas is special. Florida has LOTS and LOTS of people that have immigrated from Spanish speaking countries. And I have never seen such a thing.
shizmit11 2 years ago
I have many Latino friends here in Florida. The younger ones learn English very quickly & assimilate easily. The older generation really struggles. That is not caused from laziness or an unwillingness to fit in. It is a problem with Neural Plasticity. WE all suffer from this as we age. It makes it MUCH more difficult to learn a 2nd language. WE cannot legislate that physical limitation away. The GOP can hold there breath until they are blue and that won't change our physical limitations.
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I agree it would be very hard to become fluent in a new language especially after a certain age it's the attempt that I would find respectful and honorable. I'm sure this woman is a lovely person. I don't think there's anything wrong with hoping or wanting people to learn english when they choose to live here.
thesmokinggardener 2 years ago
Due to diminishing Neural Plasticity, it may be impossible for many to learn a foreign language at a later stage in life. There is no way to legislate against a physical limitation that affects every single one of us as we age. We can hope and want people to learn English, but if their physical limitations prevents it, it doesn't really matter what we want or hope. No amount of effort will change reality of how our brains function as we get older...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
He could just as easily be a Libertarian, so no, It is not "clearly a republican issue".
FYI: I am not an Elephant!
mtb416 2 years ago
You sure took offense to my opinion.
to the point of nasty. Why?
shizmit11 2 years ago
You think I've been "nasty"? You've seen nothing yet!
Politics has never been a nice game. I argue my points strongly, if you find that offense I'd stay out. I've heard Franken use name-calling and employ ad-hominem attacks numerous times against rivals, BTW.
mtb416 2 years ago
You can present your arguments without being nasty. I'm not sure how being nasty would help your cause. So far, for the most part, you have been civil in this discussion. There is no reason to change that even though we probably disagree on EVERY issue. Once you have to resort to being nasty and name calling, that is usually a sign that you are losing the argument and have run out of ammunition. It definitely doesn't help to convince anyone to adjust their views based on your arguments...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I would be interested in hearing what Franken said that you think crossed the line. If it is true, it shouldn't be difficult to find examples to support it. Could you provide links???
From what I have seen so far, Franken has been an exemplary Senator, which really pisses off the GOP leadership. They were hoping for a clown...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
mtb416, you are not "just another prejudice redneck southerner" are you?
shizmit11 2 years ago
Well, I hope you can clean up your writing,you know, communication skill shows peoples intelligence.
And it is not looking good.
shizmit11 2 years ago
ALERT: Texas cops will be deploying a new English test on everyone pulled over. Every cop will be required to grade these tests, and decide who speaks proper English.
As a result, Texas needs all new cops.
shizmit11 2 years ago
The Libertarians almost always side with the Republicans. I doubt many Libertarians vote or register as Democrats. They do vote for Republicans en masse though. It is pretty safe to say that Libertarians = Republicans based on their voting history. Ron Paul = Libertarian = Republican. If you are not an Elephant, who do you normally vote for? The Libertarian Party never wins anything so if you are voting for them, you have been wasting your vote...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I don't know of a single Democrat who is making a big issue out of this. The Libertarians and Republicans seem to be walking in lock step on this issue, which isn't surprising since they seem to agree on a large majority of issues.
It would be very surprising to find out that this "rookie" cop is a Democrat. It just isn't in our blood to harass people like that.
I imagine that Texans welcome Europeans who don't speak English all the time. Their problem is with Latinos, not language...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
The only thing the left cares about getting rid of is christmas and white people...so yeah they probably don't have much to say on the issue.
thesmokinggardener 2 years ago
I am a Liberal and white. Your response is silly. The only ones crying about a war on Christmas every year is Bill O'Reilly and the other Fox commentators. Most Liberals enjoy Christmas just like everyone else. Your silly response is simply a Red Herring for this discussion...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I agree with you Nightrider- this lady didn't do anything wrong except for illegal U turn & left her driver license home, but not speaking English & get a ticket for that? give me a break ! She is driving a 18 wheeler so I don't see the point for that officer to give her a ticket.
PS: By the way I am a progressive & proud Liberal Democrat.
pcfcgt 2 years ago
I hope we can all agree that the lady didn't break any English speaking laws. There is no law to break anywhere in the US. It doesn't matter whether we are Liberal, conservative, libertarian, Democrat, republican, short, tall, fat, skinny, etc. We should still be able to agree on this one issue. This is not a matter of opinion. This has nothing to do with politics, religion, sports, or any other divisive issue. It is about the letter of the law, which in this case is black & white...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
You made an excellent point. She didn't break any laws as far as her inability to speak English & furthermore she is not driving any 18 wheeler which required her to pass a set of CDL test which is in English, so the ticket she got is unwarranted & she should see the local traffic judge to annul it.
pcfcgt 2 years ago
They did contest the ticket and won. In doing so, the department found that 39 others had been wrongly ticketed for the same offense. They should have caught this a long time ago. Someone in the department had to be turning a blind eye to what was going on. They had to know what was going on when the first person went to pay their fine. The Dept should have corrected this after the first ticket, not 39 tickets later. This appears to have been department condoned harassment to me...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
ROFL good! Keep the heat on these people and eventually they'll try to fit in. If I ever moved to a foreign country Id show respect and learn the damned language.
plaidnum 2 years ago
You're young, so you might have a good chance of being able to learn a foreign language right now. Wait until you're older and see how difficult it becomes. Don't be so quick to condemn and judge until you have a pretty good understanding of what you you're talking about. You may not be so demanding once you have walked a mile in their shoes. I hope you get the chance some day...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
If she does not speak english, then what are the chances of her understanding road signs?
wolgreth 2 years ago
Pretty good since the shape and color of the signs are pretty universal. I'm sure she is used to seeing the same signs only with Spanish written on them from her home country. You really don't need to be able to read the words to understand most road signs. Here in Florida, vacationers from all over the world come here to travel. They rent and drive with very little trouble even though a lot of them don't know any English. The words on the signs are ambiguous and are unnecessary...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Anytime the government fucks up, weather its federal or state, the fuckers excuses are that they are either rookies or currently in training... and cmon its Dallas PD!!! They are just as bad as LA PD or any other currupted as city...
jarteaga87 2 years ago
haha Texas..now tha's a state that always makes me laugh..
Georgiapeach770 2 years ago
And what will it be next...DWB? Oh wait, we already have that in effect. Perhaps DWA(Driving While Asian) Darn, already in effect. Understand this: There exists, in law enforcement, a sub culture that allows bias and racism to pervade its inner core. They might not like to admit it, but it does exist.
morph39 2 years ago
well if she can't speak english then what??
davedumas0 2 years ago
Did you mean "So what"? There is no law that requires that a person speak English before they can drive. So why would she get ticketed for breaking a non-existent law? It's a form of harassment, that's why...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Fucking Texas.
DeSwiss 2 years ago
as long as she can read "stop" "yield" and "no right on red" shes fine, but she should get on the whole learning english thing... idk my great grand parents back in the day learned it, but whatever
Anticrombie918 2 years ago
She doesn't need to be able to read stop, yield, etc. These signs are easily distinguishable by their unique shapes & colors. The shape and colors are universally recognized, so the words on the signs are ambiguous. Most people would know what the signs mean even if there were no words written on them...
I'm happy that your GGPs were able to learn English at an advanced age. The older we get, the harder it is to learn a language. It has to do with the neural networks in our brains...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
to f%#*ing bad learn are language it's not much to ask you want are money and the freedom that the u.s.a. gives learn to speek english
pfatsnow 2 years ago
Perhaps before you demand that others learn English, you should do it first. Once you master the language, if you ever do, then you can be pompous and demand that everyone else learn English too. It is always amazing to see so many people with such a terrible grasp of our own native language are so demanding of others.
Go learn a foreign language and then come back and tell us how easy it was. Since you have so much trouble with English, I doubt a second language will come easily for you.
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
In your comment, there were 26 words with 18 errors. That's not too impressive for someone who is a native speaker. Did you drop out of school before Middle School or were you Home Schooled???
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
This is meant to be ironic, right?
I'm sorry, I meant: this iss meent too be eyeronik, rite?
jbetp99 2 years ago
Ylen 13 have you tried acting? you'd be a perfect spokesperson for TROJAN condoms...
Italiancomic 2 years ago
ylen13 you know you're a tool right?
mikey683 2 years ago
Good, she should been arrested till she learns english
ylen13 2 years ago
Better turn yourself in, too, then. Clearly, you've yet to master the language yourself.
jbetp99 2 years ago
Hahahaha..i have bachelor of science degree and have proven many times over that I have master the English language.
ylen13 2 years ago
There are at least five errors in your 19-word declaration that you have "master [sic] the English language." That's more than one error every fourth word. You even screwed up "mastered." See the irony?
Let me correct that reply for you while you write up your confession (get help with that, BTW).
In English, that would be:
"I have a Bachelor of Science degree and have proved many times over that I have mastered the English language."
Why can't you people just learn English? Ha.
jbetp99 2 years ago
This is the internet and i type fast, so yes i make mitsakes and no i don't care that I mistiyping words as you can read them anyway. This lady can't even speak enlgish. Yes the mistyping is done on error. So deal with it.
ylen13 2 years ago
So, English doesn't count on the Internet, because your errors are all "typos." Except that you used incorrect forms and misused the adjective "proven." Those aren't typos, unless "d" and "n" are in totally different places on your crazy keyboard.
Great that you don't care that you're a hypocrite, but I do hope you're typing so quickly because you're in a rush to turn yourself in for this crime that, contrary to your near-illiterate pleas, doesn't actually exist.
jbetp99 2 years ago
Crime does exist, she is likely illegal in this country and should be arrested for it.
ylen13 2 years ago
Guess what? She had a driver's license, as noted in the story, so she's obviously here legally, dumbass.
There is also no law against non-English speakers driving a non-commercial vehicle, also noted in the story.
So your English comprehension is either rather poor or you didn't even bother to watch the video.
I notice your exaggerated "they're just typos" typos have disappeared. Good for you.
jbetp99 2 years ago
if you listen carefully, you'll notice that she get a ticket for not to have a driver's license( by law you need that document on you, not at home, if you are driving) and illegal u turn is another violation. Good for the officer, good job, If you don't speak english, then respect the laws.......this is unbelivable, she broke the law and she is the victim, WHAT A BIG COUNTRY.
bojotica 2 years ago
She was given a ticket for breaking a law that doesn't exist. And after research, it appears that at least 39 others have been ticketed for the same offense. That is not a crime in any State in the US. Those who paid the fine will be reimbursed. The real question is why didn't they discover this mistake earlier? They should have known there was a problem when the first person was ticketed. How did they determine what the fine should be when there is no law for this nonsense ticket???
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
Also, who the hell even made up the fine? Cops don't set the fines. Whoever was deciding how much they should pay was trying to write the law themselves, and should probably be prosecuted.
jbetp99 2 years ago
I'm guessing that those who were writing these tickets were intentionally harassing Latinos, like Sheriff Arpaio does in Arizona. And they had supporters and enablers inside the department who were more than happy to jump on the bandwagon to strip Latinos of their Constitutionally guaranteed Civil Rights. Now that they have been caught, they are doing damage control. They really need to get rid of the haters within the department before they are allowed to victimize anyone else...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
If you'll listen carefully, you'll hear that IT WAS AT HOME. No one seems to claim otherwise, and they obviously would have checked when she went to court.
jbetp99 2 years ago
Also, last time I checked, charging someone with something that isn't even a crime is a much bigger no-no than driving without a license or making an illegal u-turn. So your "good for the cop because she broke two minor laws" thing is insane.
False imprisonment = violation of civil liberties spelled out in the US the constitution.
Making an illegal u-turn and leaving your license at home = traffic tickets.
Any real citizen should know this. Are you sure you're not here illegally?
jbetp99 2 years ago
How many foreign languages do you know? You're still young, so you should still be able to learn them fairly quickly if you try...
I took Russian and Spanish in my 30s along with many others in my age group. NONE of us were able to master either language. After 10 quarters of taking these 2 languages, I know almost nothing of them. Learning a foreign language is not easy, especially for those learning later in life. I doubt that I could go to a foreign country and learn their language...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
I would actually bet money that ylen13 is not a native English speaker. There seem to be signs that English is not his or her first language in those posts ("master" instead of "mastered" and the omission of the "a" in the first post jump out to me).
Your points are definitely valid, though, especially about older learners. It's tough.
jbetp99 2 years ago
I was thinking the same thing. There are far too many "mistakes" in his/her posts. But unfortunately, I have seen a lot of Americans who have a poor grasp of their own native language too. So the "mistakes" don't prove whether (s)he is a native speaker or not. I simply provides a hint that (s)he may not be.
It would be sad to think that a non-native would have been poisoned by the radical right after they arrived here. I would hope a non-native speaker would show a little more tolerance.
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
The Internet also seems to be a breeding ground for hate and intolerance too. That doesn't mean that we all have to be infected with the illness. There are far too many FOX inspired haters in this country. If your hate is derived from being a FOX fan, perhaps you should change the channel and watch something else for a while. Your hateful drivel is not welcome in a civil society. There are no laws against driving while Latino or any other nationality. Stop watching Dobbs and Beck...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
So Fox news lied to me? Are you serious that they lied to me about law existing, that requires driver(s) to speak English in order to operate motor vehicle? OMG I can not believe that Fox news would lie to me.
ylen13 2 years ago
Yes, if FOX told you that it is illegal to drive and not speak English, then they lied to you. It wouldn't be surprising since FOX lies about a lot of things. FOX is a purveyor of hate and intolerance. If you are a regular viewer of FOX, it certainly would explain your attitude here. The best thing you can do for yourself is to change the channel. Hopefully it is not to late for you already...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago
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jbetp99 2 years ago
If they told you there was such a law, yes, that was a lie. I doubt that that's the case, however, since--and again, anyone who watched the above story would know this--THERE IS NO SUCH LAW. I doubt that Fox would report such a thing, though, since it's just so flatly untrue.
Please watch the story and do some homework before trying to weigh in on it. It's clear at this point that you haven't even bothered to watch the story, let alone check your facts.
jbetp99 2 years ago
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Ebm3Dls 2 years ago
Sounds like you have a "Bachelors of Dick sucking degree", you Moron! Nice of your mom to home school you in her favorite subject, you INBRED Degenerate!
Ebm3Dls 2 years ago
My last comment was directed to YLEN13
Ebm3Dls 2 years ago
It was still an appalling comment to make, even if directed at someone with views as uninformed and idiotic as ylen13. Can't we all just get along?
Also, last time I checked dick sucking makes a lot of people happy each and every day, very often two at a time. Let's not badmouth it by associating it with racism.
jbetp99 2 years ago
Hahaha..i love the comments that i get on the youtube.
ylen13 2 years ago
Is that the game? Post something stupid and watch people jump all over it?
If I were you, I'd attempt to save face by pretending that's exactly what I had done.
jbetp99 2 years ago
I don't care what people think of my comments but yes that is partially what i have done. It's actually fun to see the replys you get from people that otherwise you would never talk to.
ylen13 2 years ago
Actually you seem to have trouble with the language yourself. Perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to drive until you can prove that you have mastered the language. I suspect that we won't be seeing you driving on our roads for a very long time...
NightriderXP1 2 years ago