LOL. I can see you guys have a lot of fun in your household.
Are you a dick for believing in your right to have that allocated time which was taken from you? Then no. What time that was agreed upon by yourself and Micheal should have been adherd to. Are you a dick for not understanding where your brother was coming from and his point of view? Then yes. The whole arguement is over a playstation 3. LOL. But very entertaining video, thanks for the laughs.
I'm torn, on the one hand, Mike needs to be a big boy and deal and the other he made a good point that it is dumb to equate a political idea and a sharing but then again isn't this the little shit that builds to become the political idea itself?
But maybe Mike is right? I mean his jacket just makes him feel like he is in control of this situation..
and also that he likes men but thats beside the point
Just because you said ooo I am Dyslexia and I cant string two sentences together I got to side with you brother just because I am Dyslexia and am very stub an and wallowing in self pity
1. if that is the rule then Mike needs to stop being a whiney bitch and get over it.
2. you could have chosen to give up half your time or not, either way you wouldnt have been being a dick. its fair. and
3. your jacket makes you look gay. and by gay i do not mean stupid. i mean i think you look, on first sight, like you prefer to have sex with other men.
I agree that the time should be divided. Even though I side with your brother on the time limit, I still don't condone him stepping in when he notices you had a good idea and trying to take it from you. He chose to play on his computer all day when he could have been playing the PS3. That being said, you guys should have just played a 2 player together instead of fighting. Either way, entertaining video :P
Bwahaha this was amusing to watch.. honestly though, if it were my family, neither one of you would have gotten to use it. Jacob has a good point in the agreement, its his hour to use as he wishes. Sorry Mike. =/ I wouldn't say he was a commie though, that does seem a bit much...
No, like jmthetank said, Communism would apply if you had both worked for the time and he had wanted to divide it so that you could both have a turn in that hour period.
@LatumWay I'm kinda a novice to politics. from where I can see in the capitalism and communism thing, your either being fucked by....just chance or where you are (capitalism) or fucked by the state (communism).
I agreed with jacob at first, because of mikes argument that jacobs argument was invalid because no-one else would use that argument, just because no-one else would use that argument doesn't make it invalid. but then I realized the same time latumway did nothing to earn the hour of the playstation, but then I realized that you had a verbal agreement that who-ever gets the X-box gets an hour. so in the long run I agree with jacob.
Since I am not a god awful libertarian, I'd have to side with your brother. The point is not that each of you has a right to an hour, but that each of you has a right to equal share. Although I find it annoying that he wanted to play as soon as you wanted to play.
I too try to apply stuff I learn to everyday life. I remember when I read Animal Farm and thought that it perfectly applied to the Bush Administration. I realize now that was hysterically obnoxious.
@LatumWay With all the variants of Poe's Law floating around the internet it's usually easier to grant the assumption that the person in question is attempting to make a serious argument(unless specifically told otherwise).
@stagism "Authoritarian socialism" yeah there are times where your boss isint paying as much, but there are companies where you will perform the same task, and gain more money per hour. This happened to me with my 2nd job. Plus capitalism usually isint authoritarian because companies dont use force to force you to work for them
Socialism/Communism is an economic theory of allocation based upon the abolition of, or severe limitation of private ownership. Since you are both
twins and there is no single private ownership of the playstation to begin with(as you stated the playstation is already owned in common with an agreement on split time) the argument is essentially moot as both of you have agreed to a shared system at the outset.
While this debate is interesting, it's important to note that capitalism (and I assume you both count yourself as capitalists) is based on earning your possessions, through either hard work or by taking a risk that either pays off or doesn't. Turning on a Playstation hardly counts. You didn't work for it, and you didn't take a risk. Grow up.
Jacob is Right. The spirt of Communist/socialist/marxist/Walkerist Is clearly proven here. Just like the last piece of a pie. You don't have to share, but if you want to, you can BE THAT DICK!
Jacob wins by logic and principles.
and one more thing... Forced Charity, IS NOT Charity!
How about you both play it at the same time? There's plenty of games on consoles you can play together and being twins I'd guess there are some games where you 2 would have a big advantage.
It sounds to me like the agreement was actually for equal time, and that you came up with the 1 hour rule as an easy way of implementation. But this is a situation where the implementation rule does not allow for the actual agreement to be honored, so the implementation rule must be altered. As an aside, 30 minutes each would have benefited you by saving you an argument, and him being an authoritarian socialist would have never happened.
your concept of time is a false idea. technically it wasn't anyones time unless you impose those on it. the communist idea would actually be to play a multiplayer co-op game. what he did was suggest a more fair division of shared resources. which is more democratic. i agree with the tyrant at the end when it's taken. not socalist though. just tyranical.
Sorry, Jake. Mike's right. Seriously, I've argued this point time and time again. It's the spirit of the law, not the letter. The letter of the law says you have an hour, and he has an hour. The spirit of the law is that you both get equal usage.
Oh, and communism would only apply if you had earned that hour. He has earned his time as equally as you've earned yours, which is to say not at all. As such, that hour was as much his as yours.
@LatumWay Ah, the crux. I have another comment around here, but I can't be bothered to find it, so I'll paraphrase: How do you know it was YOUR hour? How can you be sure that he didn't give you half of his hour out of the kindness of his heart, and then you go and call him a commie and try to take his whole hour? Does the agreement stipulate that YOUR hour must come first?
@LatumWay I cede that point, then, but I still think that when the spirit of the law and the letter of the law come into conflict, the spirit should win every time. The point of making the rule in the first place was to ensure equal and fair usage of the PS3. So, with an hour between you, the sensible thing to do is take half an hour each. If you want to argue for the letter of the law, then fine, but that means, then, that it's a completely arbitrary and pointless rule to begin with... cont'd.
@LatumWay #2 ... and should be pitched out entirely, to be replaced with a "living" law (akin to a "living constitution") that changes with the times, circumstances, and needs.
@LatumWay The English Courts would disagree Jake, it's the spirit of the law and not the letter that is appropriate. In unorthodox circumstances contracts can be interpreted teleologically in order to give an equitable result. Since this is how the legal system of the country works, I think this is an appropriate response to your argument as you stated that all the best countries work in the manner which you are advocating.
@paintbrushteeth Also, your argument hinges entirely on the notion that you are entitled to that hour and this is easily an area of contention given the circumstances. However, despite attacking this weakness in your argument your brother used the fallacy of irrelevant conclusion by arguing that "normal people don't make this argument". Whether "normal people" would debate this or not is irrelevant, it does not refute the logic of your argument.
@jmthetank no he doesn't lose, he did earn the hour of playstation through contract, they had a verbal agreement that who-ever gets the playstation first gets an hour.
Stupid rule. Rules change according to circumstance ( well they should) so it's perfectly reasonable to share that hour ( IE two 1/2 hour slots) and then share the next therefore no one looses 'their' hour. Simples!
Well, I have to agree with you on this one. You had a system. Yes, you took advantage of that system, but that is the fault of the system, not your fault. Your brother had the option to be the one who "turned on the PS3" thus securing an hour of play for himself.
Is he a socialist? Yes. So are you. Almost all familial units are mini-socialisms. It is not unreasonable for someone to expect family members to interact according to socialist conventions.
This is a legal matter, not one of political theory.
Let a pro handle it.
The critical point is the intention behind the arrangement.
You agreed to have the one hour clause for
1. an OVERALL equal playtime
2. uninterrupted play
At no point was the intention of the agreement to give equal time to both of you in all situations (you would have agreed on 1 minute then), but to have a compromise between 1 and 2.
Latum is, in word and spirit of the agreement, right.
What Mike said is what my siblings and I would have done. I think it was fair. Yeah, it's communist but it works the other way too. When you are in that situation I am sure you would enjoy having a half hour. Plus, it isn't YOUR PS3, it belongs to both of you. So, communist based? Yes. Wrong?: No.
You're a dick, but the previous agreement still stood. Without situational adjustments to that agreement agreed on before hand, your bro can ask for you to be reasonable but can not demand it, nor can the agreement be ammended on the spot when you run into something you dont like (conflict of interest), adjust it after you signalled the problem.
Conclusion, your mom should have taken the psp away from both of you.
LOL Jacob you do have some good point but its is a such a insignificant issue that I feel they have no baring. If it was my brother I would have let him play. Its not that big of a deal. He probably would have given you that half an hour back when it was his turn to play.
If you had 4 hours of PS3 time to share (at your discretion, which you said you did at the start of the video) then that's 2 hours each, if you had 3 hours, would one person get 1 hour and the other 2, or would you each get 90 minutes?
If he DEMANDS you share that time as a principle, yes, that makes him a communist, but if he merely states that it would be dickish of you not to (seconded) then I would have to agree with your bro on this one.
Shortly after eating your first Twinkie you decide to settle a trivial family dispute by calling your brother a communist in order to get your own way. I don't think this is an issue of your brother's political affiliations or your being a dick, I think you've been poisoned by our decadent American food. If you find yourself admiring pick-up trucks or listening to Toby Keith you'll need to seek help immediately.
Yeah, you're a dick. :) Families/friendships/relationships, as a general rule, are not run according to capitalist principles even in countries that run principally capitalist economies. If you decide not to feed your kids because you'd rather spend your food on hookers, you will find few courts - even in the US! ;) - that will support your right to be a dick.
LOL! If the concept behind the 1hr and 1hr sharing is the concept of equal time, then Mike has a good point. You bring up communism and your bro brings up empathy. You two are like my little nephews - who are 6 years old - but you guys have a bigger vocabulary.
As a mom (and you guys were five), I would have suggested that the fair thing to do was split the time but if Jacob did not want to share, it would have been his choice. Not the best choice to promote harmony, but a choice none the less.
BTW, I'm not a twin but I feel for you every stinking time someone asks you if you are. Come on people! WTF else would they be?!
I think both sides are correct... Your brother is right in that it would be fair if you had half an hour each, however, it's your right to be a bastard and say no.
But concider this; because the system was invented in order to organize time to make it fair for you both, that means the system can be removed if it does not create equal benefit for both of you in that situation, because the system looses its purpose. Yes?
Oh, and calling your brother a communist is an exaggeration. :P
Taking something from someone is the very foundation of EVERY economic system ever devised. Mike, my advice is to declare a feudal social system with a capitalist economic system based upon frying pans, then hit him with a particularly large frying pan, declare that he is now your serf, and if he phones the police to come and interfere, call him a communist for trying to spread the frying pans.
Only don't hit him too hard. I quite like his videos :)
"As Britney Spears said"? What the hell happened to Bobby Brown? He said it long before she did! :P
Now, IMHO, if the one hour is so important to you both, then Jacob should be able to take his hour right now, but with the understanding that Mike banks an extra hour to use when *HE* so chooses, even if Jacob has started playing on a different day. This could be avoided by agreeing to split the available time evenly. :)
Well I suppose it would depend on who bought the Playstation if bought you it then you have you have every right to be a dick but if you and your brother bought it then he has just as much right to go on the Playstation as you do. But considering you both only had an hour then I can understand why it's fair then you both go on for half an hour. PS 360s are better.
About the argument, I think Mike is right, the spirit behind the "one hour" agreement seems to have been to decide as fair as possible who could use the PS3. Maybe making the time period between each "switch" one hour would usually make it fair but in this instance, to follow the spirit of the agreement, it should have been changed to 30 min..
It's only communism if your "right" to that time has any real substance.
If I understand correctly, the entire arrangement (and therefore the "right" to the time in question) was based on mutual consent. Therefore, should the agreed-upon terms cease to be mutually beneficial (in light of unforeseeable circumstances), either party has the right to rescind consent-- rendering the agreement, and any rights conferred thereby, void. o:
If you want something more iron-clad, draw up a contract. :3
omg! xD you 2 are IDENTICAL... and... that was on purpous. And both you are slightly dickish :P
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And even if both are dicks the agreement that the first one to turn on the playstation gets to play an hour only apply as long as the majority agrees so as long as he dident play before you and he has already gotten his hour (thereby agreed to the trade) there is nothing to stop him from not agreeing with it.
Every time I get the concept of communism explained to me I wonder why it is such a hated concept. I'd like to see some kind of semi-communist state that have enough resources to go around. Like, healthy food could be free for every one for starters.
@FatLingon You mean like a social democracy? There are loads of them. I live in one. The taxes are insanely high, but so is the standard of living. The government pretty much run all the essential shit I really don't want to waste time thinking about and the welfare system gives us a feeling of security that makes life pretty relaxed and fun.
As to why it is hated? I think that's an anglo-american perception mostly.
As soon as you said that you had an hour, I thought "yeh so just split it, 30 mins yeah" Jacob you're a brother is not a communist!! You're being a hugely spoilt brat!!! Stop chucking your toys out of the pram!!! "ner ner it's MINE and you can't have it..."
Well i agree, he is being a communist. However, why don't you invest in another ps3 controller and some good multiplayer games and pwn his sorry ass more than once :P
As a younger brother I am with Jacob here. Your bro could have gone on the PS3 at any time earlier and even if he couldn't, you had pressed the magial "1 hour of PS3 button" I would however have traded with my brother for the last half hour of multiplayer if he could have beaten me at Lylatwars (as I consistently beat him at it).
Just as dickish but it feels more like he has a chance.
You both have good points. Michael is right that splitting the time would have been fair, but Jacob had the right to be a dick according to the ground rules. I can't fault Jacob for sticking to the deal, but if the situation ever reverses, Michael will have every right to be a dick in return.
The way I see it, you are using egoism to get away with playing more time. I can't tell whether your brother would also use egoism to get away with what he wants since I don't recall hearing him say that he would let you play if he was in your position.
Either way you guys should solve this with MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!
... would not the most fair solution have simply been to play a 2 player game. both of you need to stop being quite so childish about this. yes it would have been more fair to split the time but so would neither of you playing on the playstation at all.
if what you both agreed on, even if the intention was to be more fair, was that you get an hourthen he gets his hour unless he decides he wants to share. just remember next time when he asks to share you can be a dick about it then and say no.
Latum, what if your brother Michael would have turned on the PS3? Would you have allowed him his full hour or would you have suggested to split the time?
@MisterDax Of course I would have suggested he split the time. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with him because he wants a fair share. I'm disagreeing with him because he thinks he has the right to take it from me. Ergo, if he had said 'no' to me, I would have respected his decision.
You both had a right to do what you two did, I think. If I was you & my brother wanted to use up my time, I'd totally keep my time (Unless it's a two player game, then we'd compromise) But at the same time, if I was your brother, I'd ask to share the time. It's beneficial to you to have your time, but it's beneficial to him to ask for it |3 Neither is right, neither is wrong <w<
I look at this from the Darwinian perspective. Who is more likely to propagate his genes to the next generation - a communist or a dick? However the point may be moot when the two parties have identical genes.
My sisters and I had the exact same rule when we had to share a computer, except we each got 2 hours.
If I understand correctly, I'm afraid I'd have to agree with your brother, considering the fact that he hasn't had a chance to play yet and that no one gets to play once you both leave for the train. You can just roll over the rest of your 30 minutes to the next day though, can't you?
By the way, just out of curiosity, who's the older twin?
Well I think that you might just be a dick in all this but you have a right to a dick in all this. I think it might be a little extreme to call your brother a communist over this. But I would have to say that he is generally in the wrong given how the two of you normally divvy things up. It would have been nice of you to split the time but you didn't have to.
Being a twin I can say OMFG lol this is exactly the kind of pointless arguement that I get into with my brother all the damn time about the same damn stuff.
Back when I was in kindergarten, there was this kid named Johny. He was a year older than all of us and a year bigger. At snack time he would make us give him all of our cupcakes without exception. At recess, he was the king. What he said went. Physical violence was his method of control........... Little bastard was such a totalitarian fascist.... <_<
yea technically your brother is a communist unless u guys work out some constitution with additional rules concerning time otherwise he is intefering in your time from the agreement you guys have already made, yea "inane" doesnt apply here
If you're sharing time, aren't you already both Playstation-Communists? The difference between hour allotments and half-hour allotments seems to be the METHOD of distribution, not the TYPE. The intended goal of the hour allotments is to give each user an EQUAL time of an hour each, but due to having only half an hour total, this would not be possible, and the method of distribution must be altered in order to better fit the intended purpose of the system. The system is Communist in both cases.
@Flyborg I completely agree with you. But is it fair to change the method of distribution while its my turn? Shouldn't it be rectified at the later date?
@LatumWay If the intended method of the system is to give you equal time, then yes, I'd say it is fair to change the method of distribution while it's your turn, because if the method is not changed, the distribution will not be fair, and although you'll follow the letter of the law, you wouldn't follow the spirit of the law. So you're both Playstation-Communists, but by trying to abuse a technicality in the law to give yourself an advantage, you're a corrupt Communist. ;D
@LatumWay Because the purpose of the distribution is to give you equal time, so it's only "your turn" by the outdated law. Given the new circumstances, the law must be changed. Sort of like those outdated laws about not driving past horses or women not wearing trousers. With changing times come changing laws, and given the new circumstances, the letter of the law must be changed so as to fit the spirit of the law, and the spirit of the law is "to each his own equal time". Or something like that.
@LatumWay But it's only "your time" according to the old laws. Imagine there's an election with a woman running for office, and just before the election someone notices an old law that says "women can't run for office". What if her male opponent says we should remove her from the candidates, have the election, and THEN remove the law? He might say "It's not fair she should run", but it's only unfair according to the OUTDATED law, and there's no reason to wait to change it until AFTER it matters.
this is funny and i like this video, but where the hell are you getting that definition of communism?
Evan2718281828 1 week ago
LOL. I can see you guys have a lot of fun in your household.
Are you a dick for believing in your right to have that allocated time which was taken from you? Then no. What time that was agreed upon by yourself and Micheal should have been adherd to. Are you a dick for not understanding where your brother was coming from and his point of view? Then yes. The whole arguement is over a playstation 3. LOL. But very entertaining video, thanks for the laughs.
AkanniRavenswood 1 week ago
do u guys not have any two player game?
jonny4play 2 months ago
Why not play a multiplayer or co-op game, that way both of you would have gotten an hour.
Or have more than one console.
superhamzah85 6 months ago
mike
Lofeman 7 months ago
lol this is so funny. brotherly love haha
srhstevensrh 11 months ago
I'm torn, on the one hand, Mike needs to be a big boy and deal and the other he made a good point that it is dumb to equate a political idea and a sharing but then again isn't this the little shit that builds to become the political idea itself?
But maybe Mike is right? I mean his jacket just makes him feel like he is in control of this situation..
and also that he likes men but thats beside the point
VixenVaudevillain 1 year ago
I agree that he is a communist. Now give him the 30 min because he is right.
MonotonePeanut 1 year ago
Only one way to solve the argument... Thunderdome.
WhereTheGoodNamesAt 1 year ago
Is this waht you call love of siblings?.
gugagagagreprpr 1 year ago
Just because you said ooo I am Dyslexia and I cant string two sentences together I got to side with you brother just because I am Dyslexia and am very stub an and wallowing in self pity
thetrickster261 1 year ago
I love this video!
DemonofHell48 1 year ago
Multiplayer?
=-)
JPBStory 1 year ago
hate to ask but...is ur bro retarded(really not meaning that in an offensive way)
charrzarr 1 year ago
one question before i decide: how many controllers do you have?
pilotwave 1 year ago
1. if that is the rule then Mike needs to stop being a whiney bitch and get over it.
2. you could have chosen to give up half your time or not, either way you wouldnt have been being a dick. its fair. and
3. your jacket makes you look gay. and by gay i do not mean stupid. i mean i think you look, on first sight, like you prefer to have sex with other men.
harleyquinn000 1 year ago
I fucking love watching you guys argue
I feel like this
Jacob is correct, it's his time, his right
but it is nice to share the time, and I would say a better way to go
JPnSpyder 1 year ago
I agree that the time should be divided. Even though I side with your brother on the time limit, I still don't condone him stepping in when he notices you had a good idea and trying to take it from you. He chose to play on his computer all day when he could have been playing the PS3. That being said, you guys should have just played a 2 player together instead of fighting. Either way, entertaining video :P
leah97462 1 year ago
No one but him would use the argument, "Since I'm a dick and you're a communist I GET THE PS3!"
Teresa64squared 1 year ago
Bwahaha this was amusing to watch.. honestly though, if it were my family, neither one of you would have gotten to use it. Jacob has a good point in the agreement, its his hour to use as he wishes. Sorry Mike. =/ I wouldn't say he was a commie though, that does seem a bit much...
kimikoluvskakashi 1 year ago
i side with your brother. :-)
moggyEm 1 year ago
CAPTIAL LETTERS CAPITAL LETTERS CAPITAL LETTERS IN ORDER TO ATTTRACT YOUR ATTENTION!
I'm the man! I know the answer!
PS3 sucks. Get a life, get some friends, go out and have a nice time.
pwnz0rz0r 1 year ago
O my god! how old are you? srsly
marcusrehn 1 year ago
@marcusrehn Its a joke, dickhead.
LatumWay 1 year ago 2
No, like jmthetank said, Communism would apply if you had both worked for the time and he had wanted to divide it so that you could both have a turn in that hour period.
What do you have against communists/communism?
Roboguy9000 1 year ago
@Roboguy9000 I have nothing against communists. I just disagree with them.
LatumWay 1 year ago 2
@LatumWay I'm kinda a novice to politics. from where I can see in the capitalism and communism thing, your either being fucked by....just chance or where you are (capitalism) or fucked by the state (communism).
ThatsMrFrank 1 year ago
I agreed with jacob at first, because of mikes argument that jacobs argument was invalid because no-one else would use that argument, just because no-one else would use that argument doesn't make it invalid. but then I realized the same time latumway did nothing to earn the hour of the playstation, but then I realized that you had a verbal agreement that who-ever gets the X-box gets an hour. so in the long run I agree with jacob.
zephyr20x6 1 year ago
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zephyr20x6 1 year ago
LOL. my brother and I wouldnt have lasted this long... this vid would have ended with us fighting and camera falling over.
lex811117 1 year ago
Ah, siblings....
Why couldn't the two of you just have played a game together?
Kasumi0cada 1 year ago
I suggest a second ps3 controller.
classycaleb23 1 year ago
your brother's cute. no communist is that cute. therefore, clearly not communist.
KempsGrl 1 year ago
Since I am not a god awful libertarian, I'd have to side with your brother. The point is not that each of you has a right to an hour, but that each of you has a right to equal share. Although I find it annoying that he wanted to play as soon as you wanted to play.
I too try to apply stuff I learn to everyday life. I remember when I read Animal Farm and thought that it perfectly applied to the Bush Administration. I realize now that was hysterically obnoxious.
wecaan 1 year ago
It should also be noted that
the agrument regarding "Authoritarian Socialism" could just as easily be applied to the Capitalist system(theft of labour value) and through
taxation of the rich to feed the poor. As for Maoism, it's peasant socialism whereas Marxism is workers socialism(a clear difference).
Further, I can't believe we wasted time applying a far reaching economic theory to something so inane as a "playstation".
stagism 1 year ago
@stagism Thats the point. Its a bit of fun. If you honestly believe this is a serious video then I feel for you dude.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay With all the variants of Poe's Law floating around the internet it's usually easier to grant the assumption that the person in question is attempting to make a serious argument(unless specifically told otherwise).
stagism 1 year ago
@stagism "Authoritarian socialism" yeah there are times where your boss isint paying as much, but there are companies where you will perform the same task, and gain more money per hour. This happened to me with my 2nd job. Plus capitalism usually isint authoritarian because companies dont use force to force you to work for them
chorizo1337 1 year ago
Socialism/Communism is an economic theory of allocation based upon the abolition of, or severe limitation of private ownership. Since you are both
twins and there is no single private ownership of the playstation to begin with(as you stated the playstation is already owned in common with an agreement on split time) the argument is essentially moot as both of you have agreed to a shared system at the outset.
stagism 1 year ago
so its your eavil twin bro ... m cool
Mr1B2D3F 1 year ago
You two look a lot alike.
74BobLilly 1 year ago
While this debate is interesting, it's important to note that capitalism (and I assume you both count yourself as capitalists) is based on earning your possessions, through either hard work or by taking a risk that either pays off or doesn't. Turning on a Playstation hardly counts. You didn't work for it, and you didn't take a risk. Grow up.
Preds7thMan 1 year ago
Jacob is Right. The spirt of Communist/socialist/marxist/Walkerist Is clearly proven here. Just like the last piece of a pie. You don't have to share, but if you want to, you can BE THAT DICK!
Jacob wins by logic and principles.
and one more thing... Forced Charity, IS NOT Charity!
FergTubeAble 1 year ago
I think you should have been good brothers and shared the whole hour playing a 2 player game :p
Khayd4126 1 year ago
I'm in love with the two of you!
PuIIHarder 1 year ago
How about you both play it at the same time? There's plenty of games on consoles you can play together and being twins I'd guess there are some games where you 2 would have a big advantage.
enlightendbel 1 year ago
Who OWNS the playstation 3?
tugger 1 year ago
1 your brother is being a communist
2 you're being a dick
mrmyxlptlk 1 year ago
child -ism:-)
Artifactorfiction 1 year ago
Your mother must be so proud of you both!
niriop 1 year ago
am i to late to make a Jedward joke?
davemacdee 1 year ago
It sounds to me like the agreement was actually for equal time, and that you came up with the 1 hour rule as an easy way of implementation. But this is a situation where the implementation rule does not allow for the actual agreement to be honored, so the implementation rule must be altered. As an aside, 30 minutes each would have benefited you by saving you an argument, and him being an authoritarian socialist would have never happened.
Axion444 1 year ago
Are you the older twin?
nyeoki 1 year ago
Actually he is worse than a communist. He is corporate capitalist. He rewrites the rules to his favor.
michalchik 1 year ago
Jacob is basically being a dick-tator. :D
damillionmalania 1 year ago
your concept of time is a false idea. technically it wasn't anyones time unless you impose those on it. the communist idea would actually be to play a multiplayer co-op game. what he did was suggest a more fair division of shared resources. which is more democratic. i agree with the tyrant at the end when it's taken. not socalist though. just tyranical.
reallifeistoflat 1 year ago
Yes, you're being a dick. Buy it is completely logical and within your right to do so.
ABDuck88 1 year ago
Sorry, Jake. Mike's right. Seriously, I've argued this point time and time again. It's the spirit of the law, not the letter. The letter of the law says you have an hour, and he has an hour. The spirit of the law is that you both get equal usage.
Oh, and communism would only apply if you had earned that hour. He has earned his time as equally as you've earned yours, which is to say not at all. As such, that hour was as much his as yours.
You lose, Jake. =-P
jmthetank 1 year ago 13
@jmthetank Not according to our agreement. Maybe its a flawed agreement but its a flawed agreement that works in my favour.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay Ah, the crux. I have another comment around here, but I can't be bothered to find it, so I'll paraphrase: How do you know it was YOUR hour? How can you be sure that he didn't give you half of his hour out of the kindness of his heart, and then you go and call him a commie and try to take his whole hour? Does the agreement stipulate that YOUR hour must come first?
jmthetank 1 year ago
@jmthetank The rule is, if you turn on the PS3 first, its your hour. Which is what I did.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay I cede that point, then, but I still think that when the spirit of the law and the letter of the law come into conflict, the spirit should win every time. The point of making the rule in the first place was to ensure equal and fair usage of the PS3. So, with an hour between you, the sensible thing to do is take half an hour each. If you want to argue for the letter of the law, then fine, but that means, then, that it's a completely arbitrary and pointless rule to begin with... cont'd.
jmthetank 1 year ago
@LatumWay #2 ... and should be pitched out entirely, to be replaced with a "living" law (akin to a "living constitution") that changes with the times, circumstances, and needs.
jmthetank 1 year ago
@jmthetank Well thats not what we have. I'd be happy to renegotiate. But not during my turn : )
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay The English Courts would disagree Jake, it's the spirit of the law and not the letter that is appropriate. In unorthodox circumstances contracts can be interpreted teleologically in order to give an equitable result. Since this is how the legal system of the country works, I think this is an appropriate response to your argument as you stated that all the best countries work in the manner which you are advocating.
paintbrushteeth 1 year ago
@paintbrushteeth Also, your argument hinges entirely on the notion that you are entitled to that hour and this is easily an area of contention given the circumstances. However, despite attacking this weakness in your argument your brother used the fallacy of irrelevant conclusion by arguing that "normal people don't make this argument". Whether "normal people" would debate this or not is irrelevant, it does not refute the logic of your argument.
paintbrushteeth 1 year ago
@jmthetank no he doesn't lose, he did earn the hour of playstation through contract, they had a verbal agreement that who-ever gets the playstation first gets an hour.
zephyr20x6 1 year ago
Oh yes he is! Burn him!
anglicantian 1 year ago
Why not getting 2 controllers and playing some game together?
LtShock 1 year ago
Your brother needs to start a youtube channel.
TheBigMclargehuge 1 year ago 13
Stupid rule. Rules change according to circumstance ( well they should) so it's perfectly reasonable to share that hour ( IE two 1/2 hour slots) and then share the next therefore no one looses 'their' hour. Simples!
MudHut67 1 year ago
All I know is that the two of you are simply adorable.
Roseybaby63 1 year ago 2
He is not a communist.
johncrab67 1 year ago
I agree with you latumway!
faithy1011 1 year ago
My brother and I would fight over the hour. XD Continued Anarchy over the PS3. XD
Jamez773 1 year ago
Physically took it from you? I guess Michael is the stronger twin... and you're the smarter one. Selfish, but smarter.
hop208 1 year ago
I love how Jacob kept interrupting and taking Mike's rebuttal time away forcibly. Authoritarian Communist Hypocrisy much?
ThoroughbredofSin 1 year ago
Well, I have to agree with you on this one. You had a system. Yes, you took advantage of that system, but that is the fault of the system, not your fault. Your brother had the option to be the one who "turned on the PS3" thus securing an hour of play for himself.
Is he a socialist? Yes. So are you. Almost all familial units are mini-socialisms. It is not unreasonable for someone to expect family members to interact according to socialist conventions.
JAFisher444 1 year ago
My suggestion? Play a damned co-op game. You have the right, but you should willingly sacrifice to the greater good.
PrinceArk00 1 year ago
Michael is right, there was no need for you to be a douche-nozzle. :3
My brother and I have an identical system, only we have agreed to split time evenly when we are on a schedule.
iFoamy 1 year ago
This is a legal matter, not one of political theory.
Let a pro handle it.
The critical point is the intention behind the arrangement.
You agreed to have the one hour clause for
1. an OVERALL equal playtime
2. uninterrupted play
At no point was the intention of the agreement to give equal time to both of you in all situations (you would have agreed on 1 minute then), but to have a compromise between 1 and 2.
Latum is, in word and spirit of the agreement, right.
Court dismissed.
Wollff85 1 year ago
He's not a communist, you're just selfish. Put down the controller and share.
Way to throw that communist label around, you should work for Fox News.
MKrick 1 year ago
What Mike said is what my siblings and I would have done. I think it was fair. Yeah, it's communist but it works the other way too. When you are in that situation I am sure you would enjoy having a half hour. Plus, it isn't YOUR PS3, it belongs to both of you. So, communist based? Yes. Wrong?: No.
rylraven13 1 year ago
you're being a capitalist dick, he's attempting to being fair.
fourtehLOLz 1 year ago
You're a dick, but the previous agreement still stood. Without situational adjustments to that agreement agreed on before hand, your bro can ask for you to be reasonable but can not demand it, nor can the agreement be ammended on the spot when you run into something you dont like (conflict of interest), adjust it after you signalled the problem.
Conclusion, your mom should have taken the psp away from both of you.
Duke0James 1 year ago
you lost me at, YMCA,
Peace
dee07killer 1 year ago
LOL Jacob you do have some good point but its is a such a insignificant issue that I feel they have no baring. If it was my brother I would have let him play. Its not that big of a deal. He probably would have given you that half an hour back when it was his turn to play.
aimeersd 1 year ago
If you had 4 hours of PS3 time to share (at your discretion, which you said you did at the start of the video) then that's 2 hours each, if you had 3 hours, would one person get 1 hour and the other 2, or would you each get 90 minutes?
If he DEMANDS you share that time as a principle, yes, that makes him a communist, but if he merely states that it would be dickish of you not to (seconded) then I would have to agree with your bro on this one.
heishikaej 1 year ago
Shortly after eating your first Twinkie you decide to settle a trivial family dispute by calling your brother a communist in order to get your own way. I don't think this is an issue of your brother's political affiliations or your being a dick, I think you've been poisoned by our decadent American food. If you find yourself admiring pick-up trucks or listening to Toby Keith you'll need to seek help immediately.
cordzion 1 year ago
You're both idiots.
mpalssonur 1 year ago
Yeah, you're a dick. :) Families/friendships/relationships, as a general rule, are not run according to capitalist principles even in countries that run principally capitalist economies. If you decide not to feed your kids because you'd rather spend your food on hookers, you will find few courts - even in the US! ;) - that will support your right to be a dick.
gazza667 1 year ago
LOL! If the concept behind the 1hr and 1hr sharing is the concept of equal time, then Mike has a good point. You bring up communism and your bro brings up empathy. You two are like my little nephews - who are 6 years old - but you guys have a bigger vocabulary.
Britt3x3 1 year ago
You are brothers for God's sake!
Stop arguing... and beat each other up instead!
s23b 1 year ago
fuck playstation3.
Ninjaculation 1 year ago
grow up?
Animefan2o07 1 year ago
@Animefan2o07 Lighten up?
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay tell em
PurpleHaze6418 1 year ago
As a mom (and you guys were five), I would have suggested that the fair thing to do was split the time but if Jacob did not want to share, it would have been his choice. Not the best choice to promote harmony, but a choice none the less.
BTW, I'm not a twin but I feel for you every stinking time someone asks you if you are. Come on people! WTF else would they be?!
debbieomi 1 year ago
Thank god I dont have a twin.
Scotty993 1 year ago
I think both sides are correct... Your brother is right in that it would be fair if you had half an hour each, however, it's your right to be a bastard and say no.
But concider this; because the system was invented in order to organize time to make it fair for you both, that means the system can be removed if it does not create equal benefit for both of you in that situation, because the system looses its purpose. Yes?
Oh, and calling your brother a communist is an exaggeration. :P
AtheisticSpoon 1 year ago
Taking something from someone is the very foundation of EVERY economic system ever devised. Mike, my advice is to declare a feudal social system with a capitalist economic system based upon frying pans, then hit him with a particularly large frying pan, declare that he is now your serf, and if he phones the police to come and interfere, call him a communist for trying to spread the frying pans.
Only don't hit him too hard. I quite like his videos :)
morganbath 1 year ago
"As Britney Spears said"? What the hell happened to Bobby Brown? He said it long before she did! :P
Now, IMHO, if the one hour is so important to you both, then Jacob should be able to take his hour right now, but with the understanding that Mike banks an extra hour to use when *HE* so chooses, even if Jacob has started playing on a different day. This could be avoided by agreeing to split the available time evenly. :)
Epitome613 1 year ago
I side with the Commi as well. There is too much Capitalist greed for Playstation Time these days :)
cailleacbhuer 1 year ago
Well I suppose it would depend on who bought the Playstation if bought you it then you have you have every right to be a dick but if you and your brother bought it then he has just as much right to go on the Playstation as you do. But considering you both only had an hour then I can understand why it's fair then you both go on for half an hour. PS 360s are better.
Johndn16 1 year ago
Awww, brotherly love! =)
About the argument, I think Mike is right, the spirit behind the "one hour" agreement seems to have been to decide as fair as possible who could use the PS3. Maybe making the time period between each "switch" one hour would usually make it fair but in this instance, to follow the spirit of the agreement, it should have been changed to 30 min..
navimud 1 year ago
It's only communism if your "right" to that time has any real substance.
If I understand correctly, the entire arrangement (and therefore the "right" to the time in question) was based on mutual consent. Therefore, should the agreed-upon terms cease to be mutually beneficial (in light of unforeseeable circumstances), either party has the right to rescind consent-- rendering the agreement, and any rights conferred thereby, void. o:
If you want something more iron-clad, draw up a contract. :3
majutsukai 1 year ago
omg! xD you 2 are IDENTICAL... and... that was on purpous. And both you are slightly dickish :P
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And even if both are dicks the agreement that the first one to turn on the playstation gets to play an hour only apply as long as the majority agrees so as long as he dident play before you and he has already gotten his hour (thereby agreed to the trade) there is nothing to stop him from not agreeing with it.
Dasmaster1 1 year ago
Every time I get the concept of communism explained to me I wonder why it is such a hated concept. I'd like to see some kind of semi-communist state that have enough resources to go around. Like, healthy food could be free for every one for starters.
FatLingon 1 year ago
@FatLingon You mean like a social democracy? There are loads of them. I live in one. The taxes are insanely high, but so is the standard of living. The government pretty much run all the essential shit I really don't want to waste time thinking about and the welfare system gives us a feeling of security that makes life pretty relaxed and fun.
As to why it is hated? I think that's an anglo-american perception mostly.
morganbath 1 year ago
You guys are sooo brothers, it's awesome. nice vid.
TheBlueFalconX 1 year ago
Erm - multiplayer games?
Would you have given your brother an extra hour on the PS3 because you chose to exercise your hour at a time when he could not.
SpiritKeeper 1 year ago
I'm gonna go ahead and side with Mike (the leather jacket did it).
TheAtheistSwede 1 year ago
As soon as you said that you had an hour, I thought "yeh so just split it, 30 mins yeah" Jacob you're a brother is not a communist!! You're being a hugely spoilt brat!!! Stop chucking your toys out of the pram!!! "ner ner it's MINE and you can't have it..."
leannemaxdot 1 year ago
Well i agree, he is being a communist. However, why don't you invest in another ps3 controller and some good multiplayer games and pwn his sorry ass more than once :P
~ Orbit
OrbitPrime 1 year ago
so thats why u both look exactly the same, lol
volound 1 year ago
As a younger brother I am with Jacob here. Your bro could have gone on the PS3 at any time earlier and even if he couldn't, you had pressed the magial "1 hour of PS3 button" I would however have traded with my brother for the last half hour of multiplayer if he could have beaten me at Lylatwars (as I consistently beat him at it).
Just as dickish but it feels more like he has a chance.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
you are being a dick, and you have an absolute right to be a dick.
dreadpiratedan 1 year ago
@dreadpiratedan however, being a dick means you're a dick.
dreadpiratedan 1 year ago
You both have good points. Michael is right that splitting the time would have been fair, but Jacob had the right to be a dick according to the ground rules. I can't fault Jacob for sticking to the deal, but if the situation ever reverses, Michael will have every right to be a dick in return.
ashaman72 1 year ago
The way I see it, you are using egoism to get away with playing more time. I can't tell whether your brother would also use egoism to get away with what he wants since I don't recall hearing him say that he would let you play if he was in your position.
Either way you guys should solve this with MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!
The game or the real deal lol
guatepower 1 year ago
... would not the most fair solution have simply been to play a 2 player game. both of you need to stop being quite so childish about this. yes it would have been more fair to split the time but so would neither of you playing on the playstation at all.
if what you both agreed on, even if the intention was to be more fair, was that you get an hourthen he gets his hour unless he decides he wants to share. just remember next time when he asks to share you can be a dick about it then and say no.
QCreyton 1 year ago
Countries! Countries!
That was fucking hilarious! Michael crushed your "PRIVATE PROPERTY" at the end!
I completely relate to you Jacob, having everyone in the family ganging up on you.
Did you (Jacob) have more time after the fact or was it the last hour for both of you? Cause that's your selling point for me.
Tigerzeeclawz 1 year ago
@Tigerzeeclawz What do you mean?
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay
Nevermind, you both had to go after that hour. I didn't catch that the first time. So yeah, I agree with Michael. Must be the leather jacket!
Tigerzeeclawz 1 year ago
It seems you both were in agreement to share equally the PS3, making you both commies.
JJAngelton 1 year ago
if he "took" it from you he has "right of conquest"
that's empirialism
gibadoo 1 year ago
@gibadoo for that to work doesn't he first have to kick the shit out of him otherwise it's just stealing.
QCreyton 1 year ago
@QCreyton yea and then he would take his grandchildrens controlers too lol
gibadoo 1 year ago
Mike is wrong. Appealing to majority, authority and majority. I am not saying that communism is wrong, just that Mike's rebuttal was flawed.
koolkillarz 1 year ago
Latum, what if your brother Michael would have turned on the PS3? Would you have allowed him his full hour or would you have suggested to split the time?
MisterDax 1 year ago
@MisterDax Of course I would have suggested he split the time. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with him because he wants a fair share. I'm disagreeing with him because he thinks he has the right to take it from me. Ergo, if he had said 'no' to me, I would have respected his decision.
LatumWay 1 year ago
it was his time you can't take it!!!!!
adirm18 1 year ago
it's really freaky to see two of them
pacman529 1 year ago
X'D That vid was funny as hell X'3
You both had a right to do what you two did, I think. If I was you & my brother wanted to use up my time, I'd totally keep my time (Unless it's a two player game, then we'd compromise) But at the same time, if I was your brother, I'd ask to share the time. It's beneficial to you to have your time, but it's beneficial to him to ask for it |3 Neither is right, neither is wrong <w<
Btw, I'm a big fan, love your vids! X3
Impmon51 1 year ago
Clearly, hes a communist, and likely a member of al qaeda
brotherjohn77 1 year ago
Latum, the whole system of 1 hour apiece is to promote equality between you two, so he is in the right in this case.
JohnzaloogIII 1 year ago
@JohnzaloogIII Well then its needs amending at the later date. Not during my turn.
LatumWay 1 year ago
Yey! A full length video!
TheLonelyWarrior1 1 year ago
Your both filthy commies.
RomeoCo 1 year ago
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missvbomb 1 year ago
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lunaehmaz 1 year ago
Holy shit, there's two of them!
ElDeclan 1 year ago
Shut up and eat something!
wilfredthebold 1 year ago
Also, when you say Skate, it sounds like you say skeet.
Contrastique 1 year ago
Apart from the hair, you guys look EXACTLY the same.
Contrastique 1 year ago
it's pretty clear who the evil clone is. The one with the jacket.
mrx0066600 1 year ago
I look at this from the Darwinian perspective. Who is more likely to propagate his genes to the next generation - a communist or a dick? However the point may be moot when the two parties have identical genes.
noswonky 1 year ago
@noswonky Hahaha!
LatumWay 1 year ago
My sisters and I had the exact same rule when we had to share a computer, except we each got 2 hours.
If I understand correctly, I'm afraid I'd have to agree with your brother, considering the fact that he hasn't had a chance to play yet and that no one gets to play once you both leave for the train. You can just roll over the rest of your 30 minutes to the next day though, can't you?
By the way, just out of curiosity, who's the older twin?
temporarily1nsan3 1 year ago
@temporarily1nsan3 Him. 11 minutes.
LatumWay 1 year ago
you definitely LOOK and SOUND related :P
TheReasonWhyGuy 1 year ago
Well I think that you might just be a dick in all this but you have a right to a dick in all this. I think it might be a little extreme to call your brother a communist over this. But I would have to say that he is generally in the wrong given how the two of you normally divvy things up. It would have been nice of you to split the time but you didn't have to.
shakensilence 1 year ago
Clones!
InfectedDaemon 1 year ago
You are being a dick, but your brother sucks at arguing and can't properly expound on his contention.
Klingschor 1 year ago
In your brothers defence, you started the communism as well with him when you agreed to start sharing.
tamc1337 1 year ago
This was highly entertaining. XD
Bobbiethejean 1 year ago
You were being a brat but your logic was fairly sound, I think. :P
Bobbiethejean 1 year ago
Being a twin I can say OMFG lol this is exactly the kind of pointless arguement that I get into with my brother all the damn time about the same damn stuff.
Lol
MrInfadel 1 year ago
Your voices are really different
ArrecBarrwin 1 year ago
Nah, I agree with Michael.
SeriousPsyche 1 year ago
/yawn
Mystile33 1 year ago
Back when I was in kindergarten, there was this kid named Johny. He was a year older than all of us and a year bigger. At snack time he would make us give him all of our cupcakes without exception. At recess, he was the king. What he said went. Physical violence was his method of control........... Little bastard was such a totalitarian fascist.... <_<
Bandaids4ever 1 year ago
yea technically your brother is a communist unless u guys work out some constitution with additional rules concerning time otherwise he is intefering in your time from the agreement you guys have already made, yea "inane" doesnt apply here
demon2warrior 1 year ago
Also, this video was awesome.
Flyborg 1 year ago
If you're sharing time, aren't you already both Playstation-Communists? The difference between hour allotments and half-hour allotments seems to be the METHOD of distribution, not the TYPE. The intended goal of the hour allotments is to give each user an EQUAL time of an hour each, but due to having only half an hour total, this would not be possible, and the method of distribution must be altered in order to better fit the intended purpose of the system. The system is Communist in both cases.
Flyborg 1 year ago 4
@Flyborg I completely agree with you. But is it fair to change the method of distribution while its my turn? Shouldn't it be rectified at the later date?
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay If the intended method of the system is to give you equal time, then yes, I'd say it is fair to change the method of distribution while it's your turn, because if the method is not changed, the distribution will not be fair, and although you'll follow the letter of the law, you wouldn't follow the spirit of the law. So you're both Playstation-Communists, but by trying to abuse a technicality in the law to give yourself an advantage, you're a corrupt Communist. ;D
Flyborg 1 year ago
@Flyborg How will the distribution not be unfair if it is changed during my turn?
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay Because the purpose of the distribution is to give you equal time, so it's only "your turn" by the outdated law. Given the new circumstances, the law must be changed. Sort of like those outdated laws about not driving past horses or women not wearing trousers. With changing times come changing laws, and given the new circumstances, the letter of the law must be changed so as to fit the spirit of the law, and the spirit of the law is "to each his own equal time". Or something like that.
Flyborg 1 year ago
@Flyborg But it needs to be done at a later date! Not during my time.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay But it's only "your time" according to the old laws. Imagine there's an election with a woman running for office, and just before the election someone notices an old law that says "women can't run for office". What if her male opponent says we should remove her from the candidates, have the election, and THEN remove the law? He might say "It's not fair she should run", but it's only unfair according to the OUTDATED law, and there's no reason to wait to change it until AFTER it matters.
Flyborg 1 year ago