purometal666 Bueno pero tendrás que saber que tu ídolo Royce Gracie Gracie fue vencido por el judoka Hidehiko Yoshida en Tokio. Ah y quieras o no admitirlo Bruce Lee fue uno de los mejores artistas marciales de todos los tiempos y ha sido de inspiración a muchos expertos artistas marciales de diferentes artes de combate. Tu ídolo Gracie no hubiera tenido oportunidad con su arte de combate que solo es bueno en el suelo. Hasta un boxeador que logre mantenerse de pie lo vencería.
Muy bueno pero aún así sigue siendo un arte marcial incompleto. Bruce Lee podía separar las fuertes manos de un judoka que intentara bloquear su potente patada. Y si el judoka usara una sola mano, este podria fracturarse la mano. Bruce conocia lo mejor de todas las artes marciales, incluido jiu jitsu. Tambien la patada del luchador de kempo era muy debil y sus movimientos poco fluido.
El subtítulo de este vídeo es una tontería como la copa de un pino. El artista no define el arte marcial. Evidentemente un señor que sepa de suelo siempre va a predominar en el suelo, mientras que uno que sepa golpear bien va a predominar de pie. Por tanto, si el señor que sabe kenpo-karate le hubiera pegado una patada certera al de jiu jitsu, probablemente este último se lo hubiera pensado dos veces antes de lanzarse a por él.
It's pretty well known that the takedowns that BJJ guys teach suck real bad, Wrestling + Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu = the best version of grappling in existence
Cualquier arte marcial es capaz de vencer otra arte marcial. Lo que hace diferencia es el peleador, un excelente boxeador volvería mierda a un principiante de jujitso o un maestro de jujitso volvería mierda a un novato
Estoy de acuerdo. Si un experto de Tae Kwon Do se peleara con un principiante de Jiu Jitsu, el experto de Tae Kwon Do ganaría. Pero sí se pelearan dos expertos (uno de jiu jitsu, el otro de boxeo, karate, lo que sea) apuesto a que gana el de jiu jitsu.
This guy sucks! I'm a frickin' purple belt (3rd belt after white -- Green in some schools) and even I wouldn't fight like that. This isn't KENPO. This is bullshit. I'm glad the JJ guy won, the other guy deserved to lose.
@bansheman jujistu ring wise is extremely effective and one of the best. on the streets its terrible because gangs travel in packs. people in general travel in packs and home boys will stomp you if you try to ground fight. again im on the streets and thats why i dont bother with it. i dont want to use time and money to learn some thing i probably wont use. jujistu trained people arnt dumb enough to use it either on the streets either unless if its one on one.
@lukie69 i would use open hand strikes for that. can cause just as much damage with a low risk of injury. i do a bit of ledrit, buramees and thai fighting. they are very similar but have just slight differences in technique and philosophy in fighting. fist wise you always have higher chance of injury even in stand up striking. it dose add some length but its on the fighters call. i like fist better but in that situation. just be careful of old school boxers, they like to ram head your shit.
@muaythaijunky - I await your reply telling me how you will mess me up and yada yada yada. Lets take this outside! lol. Save your breathe...er...time. I have already acknowledged the value of every martial art and show each individual the respect they deserve. Training is hard and I respect anyone that can dig it. You, on the other hand, presume to already have all the answers to questions you do not even know and criticize anyone who offers an opinion you may not like.
@stevestove muay thai is a sport now but originally it was for war. i dont do sport muay thai. your obviously booty tickled at the fact i dont respect the person im fighting due to im on the street buddy and the guy had to of pissed me off to fight him, and also the fact i dont see the world as fair or equal and dont see martial arts as "the same". and again i fought jujitsu guys before. you obviously have never been in a fight or have seen the look of some one being strangled and powerless.
@muaythaijunky - I assume you are going to tell Sun Tzu to wake up ? As well as the thousands of honorable martial artist who have dedicated their lives to this "art" for thousands of years? Yeah, they clearly got it all wrong and come from the mc dojo's in Japan and China (You know, Shaolin, Okinawa, etc.). Or perhaps is it YOU that need to wake to reality??
@stevestove i have no idea why you would even throw them into the same category. their fighting systems are also very different. i havent replied due to being busy. you talk of respect but realize the japanees do not respect all culture. you live in a fantasy world and obviously havent studied anything. not all martial arts and artists are equal. the mechanics of a martial art and effectiveness make it or break it. kenpo is not muay thai in any way nore dose it originally incorporate any of it.
@muaythaijunky - He was a Kempo master? lol, yeah, sure. Kempo is a poor system? I assume you are saying this through your many years of experience, or your many confrontations with Kempo practitioners? Probably not, since they do all they can to avoid confrontation. Ever heard of the Art of War Mr.Muaythai? Sun Tzu? "Defeating an opponent without engaging them", or "winning WITHOUT fighting"?
@stevestove i say kempo is poor due to the mechanics of it. and ya i have fought various martial artists. and im very aware of the art of war and im aware the japanees went to china and thought karate was the shit till it got owned by a much more well designed fighting system. also shaolin wasnt japanees. kungfu is chinees. iv studyed other martail arts and their systems and history in case of fighting another martial artist. understand the japanees and chinees are not friends.
@stevestove you are taught to watch for a knee, if they bring their knee up while you are going down you clinch it between your shoulder and upper arm and wrap their other leg to take them to the ground! if it was as simple as kneeing a jiu jitsu fighter to win then it wouldnt be a very useful art!
One thing,,,,it takes a very skilled/strong person to knee a fast takedown....it's unfamiliar primary attack and the striker usually does not have a strong base to unleash a hard (and accurate) knee,..also, forearms are there to absorb the initial strikes, which do not have much power at that short distance then the inevitable clinch
@stevestove totally agree....when i was learning jiu jitsu and judo i would always get beat, but that never get held back from getting better, and i think the humility really drove me into becoming one of the best i know in jiu jitsu and judo (not to sound narcissistic) i should more say it made me want to become good at it and earn my black belt
@Nemesis2151 - I agree! lol. Truthfully there IS an element of groundwork/grappling in Kempo, beacuse there is a big foucs on traditional Jiu-jitsu. Yes, it is perdominately stand up fighting, but a "kempo instructor" should be much more well-rounded than this dude appears to be. I mean, he doesn't even have a stance or anything. Like an earlier comment says, he just stands there lol. When fighting someone thats trained, you should be more prepared! :)
Mr. Stove, im glad to see that traditional martial arts training is still alive in some parts of this world. by your words, it shows that you do/have trained. my question would be......why do you still bother with this new age argument of bjj vs whatever.
Also, there is a misunderstanding. A conception that Kung-Fu and Kempo students do not learn ANY groundwork. This is untrue, where is it that original jiu-jitsu started?
I hope I have succeded in showing you that it is NOT about who or what is best. It is about learning from and respecting one another, All schools have a lot to teach. Just be weary of schools or teachers that can't help self-promoting or wearing all sorts of "patches" to show how accredited they are...
Also, there is a misunderstanding. A conception that Kung-Fu and Kempo students do not learn ANY groundwork. This is untrue, where is it that original jiu-jitsu started?
I hope I have succeded in showing you that it is NOT about who or what is best. It is about learning from and respecting one another, All schools have a lot to teach. Just be weary of schools or teachers that can't help self-promoting or wearing all sorts of "patches" to show how accredited they are...
Jiu-Jitsu and BJJ are both very effective and have proven well in competitive sporting martial arts contests. However I find them to be limited and unpractical for real life situations. If you are attacked by multiple opponents, what then? Having not trained in a jj or bjj club I may have a level of ignorance, however I think they must still have some striking and kicking, no?
I do not train for sport, or with any intention to ever compete. I have no need to prove myself to anyone but myself
@stevestove Good answer dude, but let me tell you my friend, that Bjj it's a sport. Jiu Jitsu (traditional, japanese) it's a martial art with a different training and differents techniques...even more, Jiu Jitsu is the best weapon in the street, cause it uses militar atacks and defenses...obviously, it depends of the school and the lineage (there are monasthic schools). I just wanted to add that. Greetings from Argentina.
@falconseries - Hey, I never said that Bjj isn't a sport, it totally is, and it's effectivness has been pervalent in recent MMA competitions. However even in those competitions, all of the deadly fighters (GSP, for example) have trained in a stand-up art (Shotokan Karate, Kung-fu, Muay Thai, etc.). To be successful in that type of environment you must be well rounded.
@stevestove Well like has been said elsewhere, being attacked by multiple opponents means you flee. It's not like Hollywood where you can punch and roundhouse kick your way through a ring of opponents.
@mrsparkle001 - LOL, that is true! Same thing if you're fighting an opponent with a weapon, get the *$&# out of dodge! However in a real life fighting situation, I think the worst spot to end up is on the ground!
@stevestove It's not the worst spot if you're trained in it, and most fights wind up as grappling and wrestling and not as boxing/kicking matches. The US military even trains in BJJ now because of it's effectiveness. If your proficiency is on the ground, woe be to the person who tries to fight you without it. These videos show exactly that.
@stevestove while you're right when you say that bjj is a sport, it is very practical in real life. Sure, if you get attacked by multiple opponents in real life, you cannot really use it. However, people need to stop believing that ANY form of fighting is useful in a situation like that, its not like the movies, if that happens, you're screwed. Thats why most bjj practioners incorporate a form of stand fighting to their lives like muay that, etc. Also, I dont think kempo uses knees
@johnpedouify - This is true as well, I have a few friends who take bjj, one of them trains with us in Kempo as well and the others either take Muay Thai or other stand up arts. Bjj has just been glorified recently with the whole MMA/UFC craze, while Kempo and other traditional arts have been around for thousands of years for a reason. . . They are enduring. C'mon, those Asians know what they're doing! Especially when it comes to hand to hand combat. As for Kempo using knees? DEFINITELY!
@stevestove I agree, but I have to say that a lot of people think that a standing art will allow you to fight multiple people. This usually only happens in movies, because in reality the odds of landing a punch powerful and precise enough to result in a 1 hit KO are low. What I'm saying is that I don't think there is any art that will give you great chances in fighting multiple people at a time
@jtwidmer indeed best bet any situation is to beat it (like michael jackson said).. and i know it's all upto the person, but the way is important.. who do you think would win vs 2 random muggers.. the best boxer in the world, or the best ground grappler? its not about 1 hit KOS.. its about using everything you possibly can to your advantage. surprise, environment (shove them off a curb), hitting the first guy hard/in a soft enough spot to buy you time to take care of the second so you can run
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multiple opponents crap is always brought up....it's not practical to fight 3 or more opponents with ANY martial art. you can intimidate more with flashy striking or muay thai in such a confrontation.....but unless you're significantly stronger/ bigger than the street thugs ur against...striking won't help either. Best option is to run, if you can't, you try to strike....but luring the crowd so you face 1 at a time. But most ppl should b able 2 escape.
@AceofDlamonds i do agree with you. its not practical to fight more than 1 person, with any style if you can run (Runfu FTW!). but if no option, odds are better striking, elbowing a face, throwing, kicking a knee out etc, so you can run, rather than tying yourself to one person, or deliberately going to the ground. to say striking won't help is untrue. any real fights iv seen in person or even on youtube have been 1vs1+ I love bjj and the ground.. but its just another tool for the toolbox.
sure, but listen to yourself, no jiu jitsu fighter, against 2 or more ppl, is gonna intentionally take themselves to the ground. That's beyond illogical. Striking won't help if you are cornered or against a wall, the damage you'd have to do to prevent a wild party from getting you would have to be pretty hard to stall em.
A simple elbow or punch is not gonna deter them, probably make them more angry.
I mean standing good to generate a punch,...that' sjust as bad as wrestling.
@AceofDlamonds im not saying a good jj person WOULD go to the ground with 2 ppl. sometimes you don't know how many will jump in. i'm saying the ground is what they train for and they would be out of their element. A striker would have better ODDS getting away, hes already standing! i don't know of many, including trained fighters who ignore a good elbow to the face or temple.. or a kick to the knee. or shots to the throat or eyes.. they arent foolproof. but buy more time than a kimura.
well the original point of reference were comments made about the effictiveness of these styles against one another based in the real world. If the whole purpose is to get away, logically striking quickly and running is the best,...but not a STYLE that is more effective in a street FIGHT than jiu-jitsu. It's simply a dummy to get the move on. Noone can stay and start throwing punches and kicks on committted opponents closing in. 1 vs 1, grappling will disable best. What if you miss?
Where do you live my friend? I lived for 17 years in Russian blue-colar criminalized suburb, and 6 years in French immigrant ghetto. 2 one on one fights in my life were due to my own agressive reaction and could have been easily avoided if I wouldn't be young and stupid at this time. The rest of numberous assaults I had been a victim were ALWAYS perpetrated by packs of people (2, 3 or more people).Nowadays jerks don't attack, unless they feel advantage over you
I've lived in Burma where there are limited law-enforcing in the northern regions. The only police being military junta. I am now in the U.S.
Real life 1 vs 1 is very common I still say. Well most of the fights I personally get into are in social groups, whether it'd be a barbecue where there is alcohol served etc. There were many 1 vs 1 fights if you don't include the people breaking it up in many of these parties in Burma.
Im dissapointed to read fellow martial artist talking to each other in this manner. All arts shoud teach you TWOprimary things: DISCIPLINE & RESPECT.
Yes, I think these videos are trying to promote BJJ and more than anything, the Gracies. We are used to this old adage. They started UFC, and it would not do well to show them being done in by a Kempo, Karate or Kung-Fu Master. Thats bad for business...
@pontfire true, guys who believe that there BJJ is unbeatable are enoying however most bjj guys dont act that way. you'd know that if you trained there instead of just bashing. Im steal wating for the "real studies" or this article that came from the great blackbelt magazine" its easy to say, but can you prove. and please dont give me the" idc enough to prove it crap"
@pontfire p.s. mcdojo are scam schools that focus on profitering and school name over effective training. my gym teacher has coached many ufc fighters.( and actually has facts to back up that claim) so if your school has any effective training and your not going into bankcrupsy training there. your more then likely not in a Mcdojo. gracie academy borders on it-with there online training crap. however gracie baja & humanitia are far from it. many pros come and train there.
@pontfire yet again even if blackbelt magazine did post that article. which is doubtful to say the least. its very illogical to base it off of youtube vidoes. BJJ is still used by law inforcement as well as the basis for amry combative( which i did). so i know for fact now your just making things up to make yourself feel better. sure BJJ aint unbeatable. especially in modern MMA. but its proven its effectivness. and i'd go on record to say id probably could tap you out as well.
@pontfire first of all the fact that you cant debat without throwing insults only shows your inabillity and lack of knowledge. second of all. it simple. prove it! i train with 4 cops in my BJJ school, and its the most common art for police and guards to practice. sure the 90% things probably fudge. but i didnt quate that. the gracies did when they were promoting there system. in reality its more of a 60%
@pontfire also as for the so called case study about BJJ. 1st. it wasnt done by blackbelt magazine. idk who told you that but its not in there archieves at all. i checked. 2. the actual article i found on a forum was done as a indpenedant study by youtube vidoes. it hardly proves anything seeing as a very very small % of street fights are filmed. and even a smaller of them can actually be attested to one SPECIFIC style. its not like BJJ guys walk around with sounds on there heads. simple BS.
@pontfire the only videos you will ever find of graices fighters losing is to other better MMA fighters.( with the exception of helios judo match) who of course had to activily no BJJ to defend against it. where as many gracies only relied on there BJJ, so they werent actually complete MMA guys. but saying its useless, and then completely lying about the people and organizations who use it or its facts, simply shows your insecurites. ITS IMPOSSIBLE to do good in MMA with any single one style.
@pontfire whos defending them. the evidence is there for you to see. its you mcdojo punks who have to defend the fact that your training cant do the most basics of tasks. not meniton you cant seem to FIND this supposed article. and the fact is if the gracie challenge was such bs why didnt anyone come forth with it. saying they one there fight. whoever one the fight kept the video. so where are the videos of them losing?
@pontfire if your going to argue a point use facts not hopes and fantasy. BJJ is a very strong part of millitary training, and will remain there. you claim that its being phased out yet there is not one single solitary piece of evidence to support that. I for one can even testify seeing as i lived on base for a couple of months. True there are sport techniques like pulling guard that id never do in a street fight. but there are tons that i would. BJJ has been proven. it works. deal with it.
@pontfire not smart in reality? true pulling guard or purposely going to the ground is a bad idea on the street. but so is sticking and moving trying to setup the perfect shot. bjj teaches good takedowns. some standing submissions.submissions if your opponent gets on top of you. how to get opponents off you( very good for women) as well as using leverage & technique over strength. If thats not helpful idk what is. odds are you never have done BJJ other then what you see on tv or youtube.
@pontfire the only gracies that are cashing in on there names are royler, royce( seeing as hes the orignal UFC fighter) and rorians sons. the rest cant even use the name gracie do to roriens copyright. they simply teach BJJ at a school that might have the word gracie in the name. As for BJJ vs other martial arts. its simple. the BJJ guys are great at taking other fighters out of there element. If you could find a fighter who crosstrained this wouldnt have happend.
@pontfire kempo didnt add in its ground fighting till round the past 10 years ago. as a matter of fact in the past years kempo karate removed many of its combinations, claiming they overwhelm the martial artist. id agree that the gracie combatives is a scame to cash in on there on name. however you cant lie and say the movies aren effective. if you reffereing to kempo as chinese gung-fu. then theres seldom any groundfighting that wasnt created recently.
this is 5x better than the jiu jitsu vs kung fu! but like kung fu one none of them were actually agressive, rather they are more hesitant in doing anything. they literally gave their leg to the jiu jitsu guy... this also probably level difference too.
@98operate but... that was not chinese martial arts I did not see anything resembling a chinese martial art and actually that guy is one of the original UFC fighters... just like pontfire described this guy is not a kenpo user that was not a chinese martial artist type swat team taiwan kung fu you will see chinese martial arts
the side kick this instructer pulled from the begging of the match suck if he would have connected that kick to roylers head he would have won. this guy might be a chinese kenpo instructor and not an american kenpo instructor
@alexcolman1 if Bjj aces agaist amercan kepo is difficult to grap kenpo AK is fast like a bullet eventhough Graciens are know for the prity grapping technique i believ they will have diffcult to grap.
i agree with u i study kenpo and we haev technques for grappling. id say this guy didnt think it was an actual fight. he might have thought it was just another point sparring match or something
Esto es lo de siempre, cuando jugamos a hacer lucha de suelo pues jugamos, y que bonito y que util parece.
Pero en realidad si haces eso a una persona con mala leche en la calle no te sirve mas que para perder un ojo o cosa similar. Si en el momento que el del kimono se lanza a las piernas el otro solo le mete un dedo en el ojo se acaba la pelea.
jiujitsu rocks but it seems they tried to sell the fighting technique. whoever has the first strike that will win the battle. in real fight they go for eyes gouging and neck breaking in a swift split second. either style could win.
@foxonsocks also why all this it won't work in military or armed combat situations. This is about fighting not one- up- manship saying it won't work in dumb scenarios. I have my own private army complete with navy & air force so I guess i win every fight.
ok, most martial arts techniques cannot be used in sport, eg. throat strikes etc... so when a bjj comes on full force, the martial artist will hesitate.
Comparrisons cannot be made as the martial artist essentially has his hands tied.
Bjj very good for sport, self defense and one on one but it really does boil down to fighter vs fighter regardless of style.
@jaybers68 - Bros in the early days of UFC just about no strike was illegal. Only eye gouging and biting were illegal. Groin strikes, pulling hair, striking the throat was legal. Most martial-artist will hesitate no matter what because most do not actively fight.
BJJ is a far more realistic fighting style than just about any Kung-fu derivative. Asian's all over the world are now training in BJJ to compete in MMA. As a side note, Muay-Thai is still the dominate striking art.
hurts on concrete? LMAO is this what haters come up with now? hahaha hurts on concrete....well if so then it hurts 10x more for the man getting fuucked up by the bjj man. the bjj guy can rub his face all over the pavement then choke him out or w.e he wants to do because hes in 100% control.
It is all about the fighter not the art. I have fought BJJ guys and owned them and I havent had much ground experience ( bouncer by trade ) but I have friends who have been in fights with BJJ guys and had limbs broken.... its all down to the fighter using the art. I use muay thai, krav maga and some sub wrestling to get back to my feet and it has worked well for me so far touch wood ! train hard guys !
@moobsman1 It depends on what the fighter can do with what he has. In many of these fights, BJJ practicioners easily win because they exploit the opponent's lack of knowledge of fighting on the ground. These fights also involve highly trained BJJ fighters with years of world wide experience. The results could be very different if you take out Gracie and put in a Blue Belt BJJ guy who only fought people in his hometown camp for the past two years. Plus, you wrestling helps even the odds with BJJ.
@TheBaltimoreKnight Yea agreed. I personally dont feel that advanced BJJ does much on the street against agressive guys with decent strength. I think the basics are the best as they are fast and second nature. I have decent skills on the ground in terms of defence and positioning but my actual submission abilities arent great.
Thats why I hate these vids, they only show BJJ against ground newbs.
@moobsman1 You have a point, but BJJ is great for weak guys against a strong guy, you just have to be advanced enough. Check out this link BJJ vs Body builder on youtube. Pedro Sauer is a BJJ master who fights a body builder who is 100 pounds heavier, all muscle! Hear, he shows that you can successfully defend and apply a submission move to a man nearly twice your size, not just in weight, but in lean muscle. However, it would take a fighter years to get to the Gracies' level of BJJ
@TheBaltimoreKnight I think a good striker who has TD defence and the ability to get back to their feet will 90% of the time beat the BJJ guy. Plus in a real fight if I am in top position, the second the BJJ guy opens his legs for the triangle or armbar I am gona punch his nuts 53 times .... Another reason the gracies always won is that they set the rules in almost every comp the fought in.
@moobsman1 Lol, yeah you could crush his nuts, but usually a trianlge is done with the person's body in between the BJJ guy's leg and he methodically slips it in. You can get out of moves by biting, scratching, eye gouging, all that in the street. But yeah, the Gracies bought BJJ out to the world to see and it has faired overwhelmingly well, so fighters incorperated BJJ defensive techniques and wrestling sprawls to help a striker stay on his feet. Then the striker usually has his way with him.
@TheBaltimoreKnight lol thanks for the link but I had already commented on this one lmao. It does show that BJJ can be effective against a big guy, granted. I just feel that some BJJ guys might feel that they have the advantage over all big guys. This guy had no skill in martial arts where as some guys do. I mean a little bit of wrestling or BJJ training even to blue belt level and I dont think pedro would have won in all honesty. I think it was a mixture of pedros skill and the others lack of
@TheBaltimoreKnight I do however agree that if some big punk tries to fuck with a guy skilled in BJJ that he would be in for a huge shock. But if that big fucker has some BJJ experience or wrestling then I feel the BJJ guy needs to either be rickson level or he is fucked. I mean melvin Manhoef sucks on the ground but his explosive power and sprawl are so great that he defeats BJJ black belts often.
@moobsman1 Yeah, and for a minute, UFC basically became Ultimate BJJ Championship, after Royce Gracie choked and hyperextended everybody's limbs. Then fighters began to use take down defenses and they made BJJ fighters stick to their less impressive striking skills. It's like taking Payton Manning and telling him to stick Kobe. Kind of like what Pedro Sauer did to the bodybuilder. The bodybuilder like the average guy on the street had no formal martial arts training.
@Sabre809 Gracie would ball the Shaolin Monk up. Once Gracie gets the monk to the ground, the monk would be helpless. You got to ask yourself, does Shaolin compare to Gracie's ground fighting? Every Shaolin demonstration I"ve seen deals with breaking bricks and taking blows from sticks and spears. But non of that is going to help them one Gracie mounts them and snaps off one of their arms.
listen up fags. if you get attacked by multiple attackers, you run, period. it doesnt matter if you know any martial art or not. it would be stupid to stand up and fight. same goes with any armed attacker. pick your battles, live longer. peace....
i never get tired of seeing BJJ dominating against other martial arts. bjj might be useless against multiple attackers, but all other styles are useless against bjj. so if a martial artist got attacked by multiple bjj fighters what would happen? so, lets make a scenario, a martial artist gets attacked by a bjj fighter who has 2 guys who know nothing. bjj gets martial artist in a sub, bjj's friend stomp the martial artist. you see, his style was useless against multiple attackers.
huh... it's not up to the fighting style, it's up to the person itself, put Buakaw por Pramuk, against those jiujitsu fighters... and see what happens.
Too much credit is given to the styles and not the practitioners! The stand up guy was acting as if he was helping the jj guy. Basic lesson should let you know that if a guy attacks coming in low DON'T LET YOUR HEAD BE ABOVE HIS....lol. But then again this is old footage and things have moved on from this, hasn't it??
Become proficient in Bjj, and learn some basic boxing (or kickboxing) and it's all you need baby! A few good strikes that can do damage and some grappling is all you need, you can knock out anyone if you catch him of guard or slam his ass on the floor hard. It's just a matter of a little modification and you turn a sparing throw into a slam that brakes a guys neck... Don't get me wrong, I train kungfu, but grappling distance is the real world fighting distance, learn how to grapple.
@MariMano357 i disagree. if u pulled that shit aganist two or more thugs, u getting boot fucked from all angels, sure u can choke out one guy what about his buddy? in REAL street fight, cowards don't fight fair nor alone. whereas striking u knock 1st guy out cold ASAP then move 2 next oncoming threat. unless if course they stand single file & allow u 2 choke them out one by one. don't get me wrong jiu jitsu is great but only in 1 v 1 scenarios
Dude, I understand where you're coming from, and believe me I know what real fights look like, but what I said was that you can trip, throw and avoid being thrown to the ground (which is where you don't want to ever be if there are more guys). I also mentioned boxing, I've seen a guy clam up in a boxing guard, take punches and then just launch a wicked cross, and clam up again. He was big, and he knocked out 3 guys one by one like that. Just some basics will save your ass...
@MariMano357 thanks, i will keep that in mind. true an fight in the dojo is different from the streets, often times if u don't "finish" it right on the spot in the streets, they'll come back with a weapon or his friends, guns..etc.
knew an boxing instructor that made that mistake, several guys attacked him, now he has 2 walk with a walker, nerve damage, it's sad. so if that time comes don't hesistate, the attacker(s) will NOT show u mercy - FINISH IT
@huskydecheval are u trippin BJJ is ten times what kempo is its a joke its like TKD!FAST FOOD MARTIAL ARTS! no DEmoc in kempo! its used by women to help cardio and tone mucles fuk kempo
see thing is the problem is. they let the other person get close to them. i'v done boxing. once you see a person's head coming to you you hit it directly.
and jiu jitsu fighter isn't strong enough to hold ONE GOOD PUNCH from a boxer. i wish i could find a viveo where there is a proffesional boxer against some other fighting style.
Put credit where it is due. Kosen Judo = Origin of BJJ. Rickson said in his book that the japanese held back on teaching and taught only the basics because they were non-japanese and thus had to learn and evolve the art on their own. Helio did improve it, But he did not invent it. 99% is still from Kosen Judo.
@ipyonoti lol iam surprised u mentioned "helio" he got what he deserved for beung so lippy, i agree with them not teaching outsiders for obvious reasons. gang members in my city usually take bjj cuz there's no code of conduct nor morality involved unlike judo. the gang members usually wear the UFC brand label stuff, bjj = judo techniques without the "way" or "do" >:(
@ANZACJugger0 bull shit...I have been in over 175 street fights and my muy tai and Krav maga have helped me to when all! I compound fractured a guys are cuz he grouped my old ladie
@glock70 in 20yrs ......I train everyday yes i mispelled MUAY Tai ,but its still a truth if you cannott grapple or know jiujitsu u are screwed! According to national police reports %95 of all street fights end up on the ground! so if you are one sided(stand-up only)you are FUCKED!
@axlnfinke I agree, I am a grapple "Judo" but I also cross train Karate and Thai Boxing and BJJ with my Judo and some sambo best leg locks by far and we learn some catch wrestling so I understand the ground is impotant but so is your stand up because you start standing and in some cases you end standing!
What style of fighting actually has been proven to be consistently useful against multiple attackers?
The answer is none of them. In real life, it is extremely difficult to beat two or more attackers who are committed to beating you. It doesn't matter what style you train.
Defeating multiple attackers is one of those mythical things that everyone's brother's best friend in elementary school once did.
BJJ doesn't claim to be useful in every possible situation you can encounter. Its designed for one on one fighting without weapons, and in those situations it is amazing.
Jiujitsu is undoubtedly a both lethal and efficient art. No wonder, after all, legs have strong structure to make us stand, but when you throw your body weight onto the opponent's legs, or shift them correctly, there isn't much left for him to do, but to fall. Hardly ever you'll beat a jiujitsu expert on ground, unless you're one too. The only problem with jiujitsu is that if you can prevent the opponent to grab your legs, if you keep distance, then the match is yours.
LOL @ bjj is useless on the street. Sure, since there are NO streetfights in Sao Paolo, Rio, there are no gangs there, no crime that's why they know nothing about fighting :-) Funny kenpo guys keep up the good work and making is smile.
I didn't sound because i didn't talk. And "LOL @" means I was laughing at a comment made by anti bjj textmonkeys. So today you have learned something new again. Youtube is so educational.
Padded Floor, Thats Convenient.
corkyfraud 2 weeks ago in playlist tournament and Different Martial arts vs other Martial arts
@corkyfraud Yes. If the floor was hard or jagged, the Kempo guy might've gotten hurt during a takedown.
ThePinkMan 2 weeks ago
purometal666 Bueno pero tendrás que saber que tu ídolo Royce Gracie Gracie fue vencido por el judoka Hidehiko Yoshida en Tokio. Ah y quieras o no admitirlo Bruce Lee fue uno de los mejores artistas marciales de todos los tiempos y ha sido de inspiración a muchos expertos artistas marciales de diferentes artes de combate. Tu ídolo Gracie no hubiera tenido oportunidad con su arte de combate que solo es bueno en el suelo. Hasta un boxeador que logre mantenerse de pie lo vencería.
Juanchoj23 2 months ago
Muy bueno pero aún así sigue siendo un arte marcial incompleto. Bruce Lee podía separar las fuertes manos de un judoka que intentara bloquear su potente patada. Y si el judoka usara una sola mano, este podria fracturarse la mano. Bruce conocia lo mejor de todas las artes marciales, incluido jiu jitsu. Tambien la patada del luchador de kempo era muy debil y sus movimientos poco fluido.
Juanchoj23 2 months ago
@Juanchoj23 Nada sabes y opinas, esto no es Judo, tampoco el antiguo Jiu-jitsu asiático. Los hermanos Gracie practican el Jiu-jitsu brasileño.
Bruce Lee solo lo viste en películas, no digas que era buen peleador.
purometal666 2 months ago
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@Juanchoj23 Nada sabes y opinas, esto no es Judo, tampoco el antiguo Jiu-jitsu asiático. Los hermanos Gracie practican el Jiu-jitsu brasileño.
Bruce Lee solo lo viste en películas, no digas que era buen peleador.
purometal666 2 months ago
Impresionante! Se ve la indiscutible superioridad del jiu jitsu!
Juanchoj23 2 months ago
El subtítulo de este vídeo es una tontería como la copa de un pino. El artista no define el arte marcial. Evidentemente un señor que sepa de suelo siempre va a predominar en el suelo, mientras que uno que sepa golpear bien va a predominar de pie. Por tanto, si el señor que sabe kenpo-karate le hubiera pegado una patada certera al de jiu jitsu, probablemente este último se lo hubiera pensado dos veces antes de lanzarse a por él.
vientodaneo 4 months ago
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vientodaneo 4 months ago
It's pretty well known that the takedowns that BJJ guys teach suck real bad, Wrestling + Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu = the best version of grappling in existence
SpiralBJJ 5 months ago in playlist BJJ VS. Everyone else
Se vc esta dizendo que o cara é mestre em kenpo, fazer o que , ele tem que pegar um mestre verdadeiro e não essas armações. Que tal Anderson Silva.
Dielsonsantos1970 5 months ago
Cualquier arte marcial es capaz de vencer otra arte marcial. Lo que hace diferencia es el peleador, un excelente boxeador volvería mierda a un principiante de jujitso o un maestro de jujitso volvería mierda a un novato
elifas55 5 months ago
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jtstevenson81 5 months ago
Estoy de acuerdo. Si un experto de Tae Kwon Do se peleara con un principiante de Jiu Jitsu, el experto de Tae Kwon Do ganaría. Pero sí se pelearan dos expertos (uno de jiu jitsu, el otro de boxeo, karate, lo que sea) apuesto a que gana el de jiu jitsu.
jtstevenson81 5 months ago
lol this is not KEMPO lol this is sucks i do Muay Thai and domined to Jiu Jitsu
XSymphonyXThrasherX 5 months ago
This guy sucks! I'm a frickin' purple belt (3rd belt after white -- Green in some schools) and even I wouldn't fight like that. This isn't KENPO. This is bullshit. I'm glad the JJ guy won, the other guy deserved to lose.
Aramis2000 7 months ago
gays los que les gusta abrazarse entre hombres en el suelo y peor sin ropa o con boxers...
Griedred 7 months ago
@Griedred totalmente de acuerdo contigo, no practicaría jiu jitsu ni aunke me pagaran
demoniosinalas 5 months ago
hehe Street Style, i dunno i heard some people can kick some serious ass at the Temple of light
Wolfsbane909 7 months ago
1:29 it looked like he was still resisting
TENNSUMITSUMA 8 months ago in playlist BJJ VS. Everyone else
"The Kempo instructor intended to test his system against Jiu Jitsu" Can anybody say EPIC FAIL.
dmorley100 9 months ago in playlist BJJ VS. Everyone else
el jiu jitsu, siempre humillando las demas artes, el mejor de todos, SIEMPRE UNO CONTRA UNO.
gerardomartinu 9 months ago
hahahahaha "OK." 1:38
elykoko 10 months ago
GJJ vs. kempo
kenseisato1989 11 months ago
@bansheman jujistu ring wise is extremely effective and one of the best. on the streets its terrible because gangs travel in packs. people in general travel in packs and home boys will stomp you if you try to ground fight. again im on the streets and thats why i dont bother with it. i dont want to use time and money to learn some thing i probably wont use. jujistu trained people arnt dumb enough to use it either on the streets either unless if its one on one.
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
AHHHHHHHHH BJJ..... take away the mat, then see how Gracie would feel hitting the hard floor! a.k.a wouldn't happen!!!
lukie69 1 year ago
@lukie69 i would use open hand strikes for that. can cause just as much damage with a low risk of injury. i do a bit of ledrit, buramees and thai fighting. they are very similar but have just slight differences in technique and philosophy in fighting. fist wise you always have higher chance of injury even in stand up striking. it dose add some length but its on the fighters call. i like fist better but in that situation. just be careful of old school boxers, they like to ram head your shit.
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
@muaythaijunky - I await your reply telling me how you will mess me up and yada yada yada. Lets take this outside! lol. Save your breathe...er...time. I have already acknowledged the value of every martial art and show each individual the respect they deserve. Training is hard and I respect anyone that can dig it. You, on the other hand, presume to already have all the answers to questions you do not even know and criticize anyone who offers an opinion you may not like.
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove muay thai is a sport now but originally it was for war. i dont do sport muay thai. your obviously booty tickled at the fact i dont respect the person im fighting due to im on the street buddy and the guy had to of pissed me off to fight him, and also the fact i dont see the world as fair or equal and dont see martial arts as "the same". and again i fought jujitsu guys before. you obviously have never been in a fight or have seen the look of some one being strangled and powerless.
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
@muaythaijunky - I assume you are going to tell Sun Tzu to wake up ? As well as the thousands of honorable martial artist who have dedicated their lives to this "art" for thousands of years? Yeah, they clearly got it all wrong and come from the mc dojo's in Japan and China (You know, Shaolin, Okinawa, etc.). Or perhaps is it YOU that need to wake to reality??
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove i have no idea why you would even throw them into the same category. their fighting systems are also very different. i havent replied due to being busy. you talk of respect but realize the japanees do not respect all culture. you live in a fantasy world and obviously havent studied anything. not all martial arts and artists are equal. the mechanics of a martial art and effectiveness make it or break it. kenpo is not muay thai in any way nore dose it originally incorporate any of it.
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
@muaythaijunky - He was a Kempo master? lol, yeah, sure. Kempo is a poor system? I assume you are saying this through your many years of experience, or your many confrontations with Kempo practitioners? Probably not, since they do all they can to avoid confrontation. Ever heard of the Art of War Mr.Muaythai? Sun Tzu? "Defeating an opponent without engaging them", or "winning WITHOUT fighting"?
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove i say kempo is poor due to the mechanics of it. and ya i have fought various martial artists. and im very aware of the art of war and im aware the japanees went to china and thought karate was the shit till it got owned by a much more well designed fighting system. also shaolin wasnt japanees. kungfu is chinees. iv studyed other martail arts and their systems and history in case of fighting another martial artist. understand the japanees and chinees are not friends.
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
@stevestove you are taught to watch for a knee, if they bring their knee up while you are going down you clinch it between your shoulder and upper arm and wrap their other leg to take them to the ground! if it was as simple as kneeing a jiu jitsu fighter to win then it wouldnt be a very useful art!
ValiantArcher 1 year ago
@stevestove
One thing,,,,it takes a very skilled/strong person to knee a fast takedown....it's unfamiliar primary attack and the striker usually does not have a strong base to unleash a hard (and accurate) knee,..also, forearms are there to absorb the initial strikes, which do not have much power at that short distance then the inevitable clinch
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
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Kempo for President!!!
ronin2081 1 year ago
Kempo for President!!!!
ronin2081 1 year ago
@stevestove totally agree....when i was learning jiu jitsu and judo i would always get beat, but that never get held back from getting better, and i think the humility really drove me into becoming one of the best i know in jiu jitsu and judo (not to sound narcissistic) i should more say it made me want to become good at it and earn my black belt
mrjaret67 1 year ago
LO VIOLO
assur21 1 year ago
kempo instructor should've learned a bit of wrestling..why was he trying to stop him by grabbing his stomach?
Nemesis2151 1 year ago
@Nemesis2151 - I agree! lol. Truthfully there IS an element of groundwork/grappling in Kempo, beacuse there is a big foucs on traditional Jiu-jitsu. Yes, it is perdominately stand up fighting, but a "kempo instructor" should be much more well-rounded than this dude appears to be. I mean, he doesn't even have a stance or anything. Like an earlier comment says, he just stands there lol. When fighting someone thats trained, you should be more prepared! :)
stevestove 1 year ago
i am the world's greatest jiu jitsu master of all time
yodaddyxx 1 year ago
im sure your teacher would tell you the same that i tell my students...."wise men listen and laugh while fools talk"....let it go.
and for the record......i'm suer daddy gracie hand picked this "kempo master' just like he hand picked all of HIS SONS opponents!
mikezeech 1 year ago
Mr. Stove, im glad to see that traditional martial arts training is still alive in some parts of this world. by your words, it shows that you do/have trained. my question would be......why do you still bother with this new age argument of bjj vs whatever.
mikezeech 1 year ago
Also, there is a misunderstanding. A conception that Kung-Fu and Kempo students do not learn ANY groundwork. This is untrue, where is it that original jiu-jitsu started?
I hope I have succeded in showing you that it is NOT about who or what is best. It is about learning from and respecting one another, All schools have a lot to teach. Just be weary of schools or teachers that can't help self-promoting or wearing all sorts of "patches" to show how accredited they are...
stevestove 1 year ago
Also, there is a misunderstanding. A conception that Kung-Fu and Kempo students do not learn ANY groundwork. This is untrue, where is it that original jiu-jitsu started?
I hope I have succeded in showing you that it is NOT about who or what is best. It is about learning from and respecting one another, All schools have a lot to teach. Just be weary of schools or teachers that can't help self-promoting or wearing all sorts of "patches" to show how accredited they are...
stevestove 1 year ago
Jiu-Jitsu and BJJ are both very effective and have proven well in competitive sporting martial arts contests. However I find them to be limited and unpractical for real life situations. If you are attacked by multiple opponents, what then? Having not trained in a jj or bjj club I may have a level of ignorance, however I think they must still have some striking and kicking, no?
I do not train for sport, or with any intention to ever compete. I have no need to prove myself to anyone but myself
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove Good answer dude, but let me tell you my friend, that Bjj it's a sport. Jiu Jitsu (traditional, japanese) it's a martial art with a different training and differents techniques...even more, Jiu Jitsu is the best weapon in the street, cause it uses militar atacks and defenses...obviously, it depends of the school and the lineage (there are monasthic schools). I just wanted to add that. Greetings from Argentina.
falconseries 1 year ago
@falconseries - Hey, I never said that Bjj isn't a sport, it totally is, and it's effectivness has been pervalent in recent MMA competitions. However even in those competitions, all of the deadly fighters (GSP, for example) have trained in a stand-up art (Shotokan Karate, Kung-fu, Muay Thai, etc.). To be successful in that type of environment you must be well rounded.
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove Well like has been said elsewhere, being attacked by multiple opponents means you flee. It's not like Hollywood where you can punch and roundhouse kick your way through a ring of opponents.
mrsparkle001 1 year ago
@mrsparkle001 - LOL, that is true! Same thing if you're fighting an opponent with a weapon, get the *$&# out of dodge! However in a real life fighting situation, I think the worst spot to end up is on the ground!
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove It's not the worst spot if you're trained in it, and most fights wind up as grappling and wrestling and not as boxing/kicking matches. The US military even trains in BJJ now because of it's effectiveness. If your proficiency is on the ground, woe be to the person who tries to fight you without it. These videos show exactly that.
mrsparkle001 1 year ago
@stevestove while you're right when you say that bjj is a sport, it is very practical in real life. Sure, if you get attacked by multiple opponents in real life, you cannot really use it. However, people need to stop believing that ANY form of fighting is useful in a situation like that, its not like the movies, if that happens, you're screwed. Thats why most bjj practioners incorporate a form of stand fighting to their lives like muay that, etc. Also, I dont think kempo uses knees
johnpedouify 1 year ago
@johnpedouify - This is true as well, I have a few friends who take bjj, one of them trains with us in Kempo as well and the others either take Muay Thai or other stand up arts. Bjj has just been glorified recently with the whole MMA/UFC craze, while Kempo and other traditional arts have been around for thousands of years for a reason. . . They are enduring. C'mon, those Asians know what they're doing! Especially when it comes to hand to hand combat. As for Kempo using knees? DEFINITELY!
stevestove 1 year ago
@stevestove I agree, but I have to say that a lot of people think that a standing art will allow you to fight multiple people. This usually only happens in movies, because in reality the odds of landing a punch powerful and precise enough to result in a 1 hit KO are low. What I'm saying is that I don't think there is any art that will give you great chances in fighting multiple people at a time
jtwidmer 1 year ago
@jtwidmer indeed best bet any situation is to beat it (like michael jackson said).. and i know it's all upto the person, but the way is important.. who do you think would win vs 2 random muggers.. the best boxer in the world, or the best ground grappler? its not about 1 hit KOS.. its about using everything you possibly can to your advantage. surprise, environment (shove them off a curb), hitting the first guy hard/in a soft enough spot to buy you time to take care of the second so you can run
madeku 1 year ago
@madeku very well put. Perhaps this is why its become so apparent that proficiency in both stand up and ground fighting is so important.
jtwidmer 1 year ago 3
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picapauhard 10 months ago
@picapauhard I apologize sir, I don't understand that language. (I also apologize for not knowing if this is brazilian, latin, or spanish)
jtwidmer 10 months ago
@stevestove
multiple opponents crap is always brought up....it's not practical to fight 3 or more opponents with ANY martial art. you can intimidate more with flashy striking or muay thai in such a confrontation.....but unless you're significantly stronger/ bigger than the street thugs ur against...striking won't help either. Best option is to run, if you can't, you try to strike....but luring the crowd so you face 1 at a time. But most ppl should b able 2 escape.
Real life 1 vs 1 is common
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
@AceofDlamonds i do agree with you. its not practical to fight more than 1 person, with any style if you can run (Runfu FTW!). but if no option, odds are better striking, elbowing a face, throwing, kicking a knee out etc, so you can run, rather than tying yourself to one person, or deliberately going to the ground. to say striking won't help is untrue. any real fights iv seen in person or even on youtube have been 1vs1+ I love bjj and the ground.. but its just another tool for the toolbox.
madeku 1 year ago
@madeku
sure, but listen to yourself, no jiu jitsu fighter, against 2 or more ppl, is gonna intentionally take themselves to the ground. That's beyond illogical. Striking won't help if you are cornered or against a wall, the damage you'd have to do to prevent a wild party from getting you would have to be pretty hard to stall em.
A simple elbow or punch is not gonna deter them, probably make them more angry.
I mean standing good to generate a punch,...that' sjust as bad as wrestling.
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
@AceofDlamonds im not saying a good jj person WOULD go to the ground with 2 ppl. sometimes you don't know how many will jump in. i'm saying the ground is what they train for and they would be out of their element. A striker would have better ODDS getting away, hes already standing! i don't know of many, including trained fighters who ignore a good elbow to the face or temple.. or a kick to the knee. or shots to the throat or eyes.. they arent foolproof. but buy more time than a kimura.
madeku 1 year ago
@madeku
well the original point of reference were comments made about the effictiveness of these styles against one another based in the real world. If the whole purpose is to get away, logically striking quickly and running is the best,...but not a STYLE that is more effective in a street FIGHT than jiu-jitsu. It's simply a dummy to get the move on. Noone can stay and start throwing punches and kicks on committted opponents closing in. 1 vs 1, grappling will disable best. What if you miss?
AceofDlamonds 1 year ago
@AceofDlamonds
Where do you live my friend? I lived for 17 years in Russian blue-colar criminalized suburb, and 6 years in French immigrant ghetto. 2 one on one fights in my life were due to my own agressive reaction and could have been easily avoided if I wouldn't be young and stupid at this time. The rest of numberous assaults I had been a victim were ALWAYS perpetrated by packs of people (2, 3 or more people).Nowadays jerks don't attack, unless they feel advantage over you
Alkhazred 8 months ago
@Alkhazred
I've lived in Burma where there are limited law-enforcing in the northern regions. The only police being military junta. I am now in the U.S.
Real life 1 vs 1 is very common I still say. Well most of the fights I personally get into are in social groups, whether it'd be a barbecue where there is alcohol served etc. There were many 1 vs 1 fights if you don't include the people breaking it up in many of these parties in Burma.
AceofDlamonds 8 months ago
Im dissapointed to read fellow martial artist talking to each other in this manner. All arts shoud teach you TWOprimary things: DISCIPLINE & RESPECT.
Yes, I think these videos are trying to promote BJJ and more than anything, the Gracies. We are used to this old adage. They started UFC, and it would not do well to show them being done in by a Kempo, Karate or Kung-Fu Master. Thats bad for business...
stevestove 1 year ago
the kempo guy is a douche. he just stood there in the first 2 seconds acting like he was gonna do shit until he got taken down.
jammin0591 1 year ago
@pontfire watch?v=CEmmPpfkvp0 bjj sparring in amry combatives
watch?v=WhTo7xErnnw&feature=related an explanation by a soldier
watch?v=9rfJerp-4ws he explains why its in the millitrary
/watch?v=k0SB5xlxJIU bjj techniques, combined with others.
now where is your proof?
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire true, guys who believe that there BJJ is unbeatable are enoying however most bjj guys dont act that way. you'd know that if you trained there instead of just bashing. Im steal wating for the "real studies" or this article that came from the great blackbelt magazine" its easy to say, but can you prove. and please dont give me the" idc enough to prove it crap"
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire p.s. mcdojo are scam schools that focus on profitering and school name over effective training. my gym teacher has coached many ufc fighters.( and actually has facts to back up that claim) so if your school has any effective training and your not going into bankcrupsy training there. your more then likely not in a Mcdojo. gracie academy borders on it-with there online training crap. however gracie baja & humanitia are far from it. many pros come and train there.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire yet again even if blackbelt magazine did post that article. which is doubtful to say the least. its very illogical to base it off of youtube vidoes. BJJ is still used by law inforcement as well as the basis for amry combative( which i did). so i know for fact now your just making things up to make yourself feel better. sure BJJ aint unbeatable. especially in modern MMA. but its proven its effectivness. and i'd go on record to say id probably could tap you out as well.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire first of all the fact that you cant debat without throwing insults only shows your inabillity and lack of knowledge. second of all. it simple. prove it! i train with 4 cops in my BJJ school, and its the most common art for police and guards to practice. sure the 90% things probably fudge. but i didnt quate that. the gracies did when they were promoting there system. in reality its more of a 60%
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire also as for the so called case study about BJJ. 1st. it wasnt done by blackbelt magazine. idk who told you that but its not in there archieves at all. i checked. 2. the actual article i found on a forum was done as a indpenedant study by youtube vidoes. it hardly proves anything seeing as a very very small % of street fights are filmed. and even a smaller of them can actually be attested to one SPECIFIC style. its not like BJJ guys walk around with sounds on there heads. simple BS.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire the only videos you will ever find of graices fighters losing is to other better MMA fighters.( with the exception of helios judo match) who of course had to activily no BJJ to defend against it. where as many gracies only relied on there BJJ, so they werent actually complete MMA guys. but saying its useless, and then completely lying about the people and organizations who use it or its facts, simply shows your insecurites. ITS IMPOSSIBLE to do good in MMA with any single one style.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire whos defending them. the evidence is there for you to see. its you mcdojo punks who have to defend the fact that your training cant do the most basics of tasks. not meniton you cant seem to FIND this supposed article. and the fact is if the gracie challenge was such bs why didnt anyone come forth with it. saying they one there fight. whoever one the fight kept the video. so where are the videos of them losing?
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire if your going to argue a point use facts not hopes and fantasy. BJJ is a very strong part of millitary training, and will remain there. you claim that its being phased out yet there is not one single solitary piece of evidence to support that. I for one can even testify seeing as i lived on base for a couple of months. True there are sport techniques like pulling guard that id never do in a street fight. but there are tons that i would. BJJ has been proven. it works. deal with it.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire not smart in reality? true pulling guard or purposely going to the ground is a bad idea on the street. but so is sticking and moving trying to setup the perfect shot. bjj teaches good takedowns. some standing submissions.submissions if your opponent gets on top of you. how to get opponents off you( very good for women) as well as using leverage & technique over strength. If thats not helpful idk what is. odds are you never have done BJJ other then what you see on tv or youtube.
pedro90 1 year ago
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pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire the only gracies that are cashing in on there names are royler, royce( seeing as hes the orignal UFC fighter) and rorians sons. the rest cant even use the name gracie do to roriens copyright. they simply teach BJJ at a school that might have the word gracie in the name. As for BJJ vs other martial arts. its simple. the BJJ guys are great at taking other fighters out of there element. If you could find a fighter who crosstrained this wouldnt have happend.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire kempo didnt add in its ground fighting till round the past 10 years ago. as a matter of fact in the past years kempo karate removed many of its combinations, claiming they overwhelm the martial artist. id agree that the gracie combatives is a scame to cash in on there on name. however you cant lie and say the movies aren effective. if you reffereing to kempo as chinese gung-fu. then theres seldom any groundfighting that wasnt created recently.
pedro90 1 year ago
HE IS NOT A BLACK BELT IN KEMPO... KEMPO DO GROUND TOO LIERS...
ELNDJ 1 year ago
@ELNDJ the ground elements in kempo have been added recently. like in the past 10 years. That is do to fights like these.
pedro90 1 year ago
this is 5x better than the jiu jitsu vs kung fu! but like kung fu one none of them were actually agressive, rather they are more hesitant in doing anything. they literally gave their leg to the jiu jitsu guy... this also probably level difference too.
98operate 1 year ago
@98operate but... that was not chinese martial arts I did not see anything resembling a chinese martial art and actually that guy is one of the original UFC fighters... just like pontfire described this guy is not a kenpo user that was not a chinese martial artist type swat team taiwan kung fu you will see chinese martial arts
khamani90 1 year ago
@98operate the kung-fu fighter was jason delucia one of the best kung-fu fighters to compete in MMA.
pedro90 1 year ago
@98operate and he STILL couldnt do anything.
pedro90 1 year ago
@pontfire lmao he probably does
khamani90 1 year ago
the Gracies are bad ass, they went around beating alot of peoples ass in their own gyms to show them Jiu Jitsu is effective lol
shadowcar88 1 year ago
@majaimay
Watch the first UFC's.
He goes against world class strikers and does the same thing.
oODropshotOo 1 year ago
bull shit he forgot to knne the gay in the face.kempo better the hugging thing
jesuselmexicanarts 1 year ago
the side kick this instructer pulled from the begging of the match suck if he would have connected that kick to roylers head he would have won. this guy might be a chinese kenpo instructor and not an american kenpo instructor
alexcolman1 1 year ago
@alexcolman1 if Bjj aces agaist amercan kepo is difficult to grap kenpo AK is fast like a bullet eventhough Graciens are know for the prity grapping technique i believ they will have diffcult to grap.
MrYuusufdheere 1 year ago
@alexcolman1 Looks like you need to text your skills on a jiu-jitsu black belt?
ticklemypicklehead 1 year ago
@dutchfreaker the mistake he made was getting closer
MrYuusufdheere 1 year ago
@MrYuusufdheere the mistake was trying to beat them
ticklemypicklehead 1 year ago
@dutchfreaker this man was not kenpo instructure. kenpo karate is very fast before jiujitsu man gets closed can be knocked out.
MrYuusufdheere 1 year ago
i agree with u i study kenpo and we haev technques for grappling. id say this guy didnt think it was an actual fight. he might have thought it was just another point sparring match or something
alexcolman1 1 year ago
y para ver esto te piden acceder a tu cuenta nada que ver,,
k1sou 1 year ago
Esto es lo de siempre, cuando jugamos a hacer lucha de suelo pues jugamos, y que bonito y que util parece.
Pero en realidad si haces eso a una persona con mala leche en la calle no te sirve mas que para perder un ojo o cosa similar. Si en el momento que el del kimono se lanza a las piernas el otro solo le mete un dedo en el ojo se acaba la pelea.
Hydeckard 1 year ago
jiujitsu rocks but it seems they tried to sell the fighting technique. whoever has the first strike that will win the battle. in real fight they go for eyes gouging and neck breaking in a swift split second. either style could win.
king24311 1 year ago
this guy doesnt even show a reaction facing the bjj man. do you people really believe this video?
lugenocyber 1 year ago
@foxonsocks also why all this it won't work in military or armed combat situations. This is about fighting not one- up- manship saying it won't work in dumb scenarios. I have my own private army complete with navy & air force so I guess i win every fight.
foxonsocks 1 year ago
The Kempo guy's article: tap, tap, tap.
YiuYeung 1 year ago
haha at 1:20 it looked like the kempo guy was going for a triangle
icecreamandwine 1 year ago
ok, most martial arts techniques cannot be used in sport, eg. throat strikes etc... so when a bjj comes on full force, the martial artist will hesitate.
Comparrisons cannot be made as the martial artist essentially has his hands tied.
Bjj very good for sport, self defense and one on one but it really does boil down to fighter vs fighter regardless of style.
jaybers68 1 year ago
@jaybers68 - Bros in the early days of UFC just about no strike was illegal. Only eye gouging and biting were illegal. Groin strikes, pulling hair, striking the throat was legal. Most martial-artist will hesitate no matter what because most do not actively fight.
BJJ is a far more realistic fighting style than just about any Kung-fu derivative. Asian's all over the world are now training in BJJ to compete in MMA. As a side note, Muay-Thai is still the dominate striking art.
iApna 1 year ago
hurts on concrete? LMAO is this what haters come up with now? hahaha hurts on concrete....well if so then it hurts 10x more for the man getting fuucked up by the bjj man. the bjj guy can rub his face all over the pavement then choke him out or w.e he wants to do because hes in 100% control.
MrSHOGUN101 1 year ago
jolla!
eloymaster1884 1 year ago
This is exactly what would happen to any kenpo guy in a real fight.... kenpo is for show only.
nerdswers 1 year ago
It is all about the fighter not the art. I have fought BJJ guys and owned them and I havent had much ground experience ( bouncer by trade ) but I have friends who have been in fights with BJJ guys and had limbs broken.... its all down to the fighter using the art. I use muay thai, krav maga and some sub wrestling to get back to my feet and it has worked well for me so far touch wood ! train hard guys !
moobsman1 1 year ago
@moobsman1 It depends on what the fighter can do with what he has. In many of these fights, BJJ practicioners easily win because they exploit the opponent's lack of knowledge of fighting on the ground. These fights also involve highly trained BJJ fighters with years of world wide experience. The results could be very different if you take out Gracie and put in a Blue Belt BJJ guy who only fought people in his hometown camp for the past two years. Plus, you wrestling helps even the odds with BJJ.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight Yea agreed. I personally dont feel that advanced BJJ does much on the street against agressive guys with decent strength. I think the basics are the best as they are fast and second nature. I have decent skills on the ground in terms of defence and positioning but my actual submission abilities arent great.
Thats why I hate these vids, they only show BJJ against ground newbs.
moobsman1 1 year ago
@moobsman1 You have a point, but BJJ is great for weak guys against a strong guy, you just have to be advanced enough. Check out this link BJJ vs Body builder on youtube. Pedro Sauer is a BJJ master who fights a body builder who is 100 pounds heavier, all muscle! Hear, he shows that you can successfully defend and apply a submission move to a man nearly twice your size, not just in weight, but in lean muscle. However, it would take a fighter years to get to the Gracies' level of BJJ
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight I think a good striker who has TD defence and the ability to get back to their feet will 90% of the time beat the BJJ guy. Plus in a real fight if I am in top position, the second the BJJ guy opens his legs for the triangle or armbar I am gona punch his nuts 53 times .... Another reason the gracies always won is that they set the rules in almost every comp the fought in.
moobsman1 1 year ago
@moobsman1 Lol, yeah you could crush his nuts, but usually a trianlge is done with the person's body in between the BJJ guy's leg and he methodically slips it in. You can get out of moves by biting, scratching, eye gouging, all that in the street. But yeah, the Gracies bought BJJ out to the world to see and it has faired overwhelmingly well, so fighters incorperated BJJ defensive techniques and wrestling sprawls to help a striker stay on his feet. Then the striker usually has his way with him.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight lol thanks for the link but I had already commented on this one lmao. It does show that BJJ can be effective against a big guy, granted. I just feel that some BJJ guys might feel that they have the advantage over all big guys. This guy had no skill in martial arts where as some guys do. I mean a little bit of wrestling or BJJ training even to blue belt level and I dont think pedro would have won in all honesty. I think it was a mixture of pedros skill and the others lack of
moobsman1 1 year ago
@TheBaltimoreKnight I do however agree that if some big punk tries to fuck with a guy skilled in BJJ that he would be in for a huge shock. But if that big fucker has some BJJ experience or wrestling then I feel the BJJ guy needs to either be rickson level or he is fucked. I mean melvin Manhoef sucks on the ground but his explosive power and sprawl are so great that he defeats BJJ black belts often.
moobsman1 1 year ago
@moobsman1 Yeah, and for a minute, UFC basically became Ultimate BJJ Championship, after Royce Gracie choked and hyperextended everybody's limbs. Then fighters began to use take down defenses and they made BJJ fighters stick to their less impressive striking skills. It's like taking Payton Manning and telling him to stick Kobe. Kind of like what Pedro Sauer did to the bodybuilder. The bodybuilder like the average guy on the street had no formal martial arts training.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
Everyone! What do you think would happen if a Gracie fought a shaolin monk? XD I've always wanted to know who would win! Wouldn't you all agree? =D
Sabre809 1 year ago
@Sabre809 Gracie would ball the Shaolin Monk up. Once Gracie gets the monk to the ground, the monk would be helpless. You got to ask yourself, does Shaolin compare to Gracie's ground fighting? Every Shaolin demonstration I"ve seen deals with breaking bricks and taking blows from sticks and spears. But non of that is going to help them one Gracie mounts them and snaps off one of their arms.
TheBaltimoreKnight 1 year ago
listen up fags. if you get attacked by multiple attackers, you run, period. it doesnt matter if you know any martial art or not. it would be stupid to stand up and fight. same goes with any armed attacker. pick your battles, live longer. peace....
vinzdprinz 1 year ago
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vinzdprinz 1 year ago
i never get tired of seeing BJJ dominating against other martial arts. bjj might be useless against multiple attackers, but all other styles are useless against bjj. so if a martial artist got attacked by multiple bjj fighters what would happen? so, lets make a scenario, a martial artist gets attacked by a bjj fighter who has 2 guys who know nothing. bjj gets martial artist in a sub, bjj's friend stomp the martial artist. you see, his style was useless against multiple attackers.
iliketoeatspag 1 year ago
Lima lama + Jiu jitsu brasileño seria una excelente combinacion
AressiYashiroB 1 year ago
To the ARROGANT who uploaded this video, know something:
JiuJitsu is not superior to any martial art, it depends on the fighter.
@d4z3dnc0nfuz3d
It is true, BJJ is useless against multiple attackers. Jump on a guy with your BJJ, his friends will kick you on the ground.
seolma 1 year ago
huh... it's not up to the fighting style, it's up to the person itself, put Buakaw por Pramuk, against those jiujitsu fighters... and see what happens.
BobyCasasola87 1 year ago
Too much credit is given to the styles and not the practitioners! The stand up guy was acting as if he was helping the jj guy. Basic lesson should let you know that if a guy attacks coming in low DON'T LET YOUR HEAD BE ABOVE HIS....lol. But then again this is old footage and things have moved on from this, hasn't it??
frontstance 1 year ago
lol why the hell was this video flagged?
jon0g 1 year ago
Become proficient in Bjj, and learn some basic boxing (or kickboxing) and it's all you need baby! A few good strikes that can do damage and some grappling is all you need, you can knock out anyone if you catch him of guard or slam his ass on the floor hard. It's just a matter of a little modification and you turn a sparing throw into a slam that brakes a guys neck... Don't get me wrong, I train kungfu, but grappling distance is the real world fighting distance, learn how to grapple.
MariMano357 1 year ago 2
@MariMano357 i disagree. if u pulled that shit aganist two or more thugs, u getting boot fucked from all angels, sure u can choke out one guy what about his buddy? in REAL street fight, cowards don't fight fair nor alone. whereas striking u knock 1st guy out cold ASAP then move 2 next oncoming threat. unless if course they stand single file & allow u 2 choke them out one by one. don't get me wrong jiu jitsu is great but only in 1 v 1 scenarios
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909
Dude, I understand where you're coming from, and believe me I know what real fights look like, but what I said was that you can trip, throw and avoid being thrown to the ground (which is where you don't want to ever be if there are more guys). I also mentioned boxing, I've seen a guy clam up in a boxing guard, take punches and then just launch a wicked cross, and clam up again. He was big, and he knocked out 3 guys one by one like that. Just some basics will save your ass...
MariMano357 1 year ago
@MariMano357 thanks, i will keep that in mind. true an fight in the dojo is different from the streets, often times if u don't "finish" it right on the spot in the streets, they'll come back with a weapon or his friends, guns..etc.
knew an boxing instructor that made that mistake, several guys attacked him, now he has 2 walk with a walker, nerve damage, it's sad. so if that time comes don't hesistate, the attacker(s) will NOT show u mercy - FINISH IT
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
commercial! damn gracies show some real fights
okcaw17 1 year ago
@okcaw17 It was a real fight
axlnfinke 1 year ago
@axlnfinke a real fight against a noob.
okcaw17 1 year ago
you can deal with multi attackers if you master kempo until 3rd dan (3rd level black belt) you can make a single deathblow
huskydecheval 1 year ago
@huskydecheval are u trippin BJJ is ten times what kempo is its a joke its like TKD!FAST FOOD MARTIAL ARTS! no DEmoc in kempo! its used by women to help cardio and tone mucles fuk kempo
axlnfinke 1 year ago
JJ is a submission technique, there is no punch given normally... And those JJ adept weren't really good.
Indarionnnnne 1 year ago
see thing is the problem is. they let the other person get close to them. i'v done boxing. once you see a person's head coming to you you hit it directly.
and jiu jitsu fighter isn't strong enough to hold ONE GOOD PUNCH from a boxer. i wish i could find a viveo where there is a proffesional boxer against some other fighting style.
sexbomblinux 1 year ago
buena pelea
MrCerbero24 1 year ago
Put credit where it is due. Kosen Judo = Origin of BJJ. Rickson said in his book that the japanese held back on teaching and taught only the basics because they were non-japanese and thus had to learn and evolve the art on their own. Helio did improve it, But he did not invent it. 99% is still from Kosen Judo.
watch?v=xjidQQz1yjM&feature=related JIGORO KANO > HIRATA SENSEI
ipyonoti 1 year ago
@ipyonoti lol iam surprised u mentioned "helio" he got what he deserved for beung so lippy, i agree with them not teaching outsiders for obvious reasons. gang members in my city usually take bjj cuz there's no code of conduct nor morality involved unlike judo. the gang members usually wear the UFC brand label stuff, bjj = judo techniques without the "way" or "do" >:(
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909 hmm true. I apologize, please enlighten me. How is this related to my previous comment?. thanks
ipyonoti 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909 I agree.
ipyonoti 7 months ago
Theres no good going to ground ina street fight everyone boots ya head
ANZACJugger0 1 year ago
@ANZACJugger0 bull shit...I have been in over 175 street fights and my muy tai and Krav maga have helped me to when all! I compound fractured a guys are cuz he grouped my old ladie
axlnfinke 1 year ago
@axlnfinke I THINK YOU MEAN MAUY THAI ! 175 WHAT DO FIGHT EVERYDAY?
glock70 1 year ago
@glock70 in 20yrs ......I train everyday yes i mispelled MUAY Tai ,but its still a truth if you cannott grapple or know jiujitsu u are screwed! According to national police reports %95 of all street fights end up on the ground! so if you are one sided(stand-up only)you are FUCKED!
axlnfinke 1 year ago
@axlnfinke I agree, I am a grapple "Judo" but I also cross train Karate and Thai Boxing and BJJ with my Judo and some sambo best leg locks by far and we learn some catch wrestling so I understand the ground is impotant but so is your stand up because you start standing and in some cases you end standing!
glock70 1 year ago
What style of fighting actually has been proven to be consistently useful against multiple attackers?
The answer is none of them. In real life, it is extremely difficult to beat two or more attackers who are committed to beating you. It doesn't matter what style you train.
Defeating multiple attackers is one of those mythical things that everyone's brother's best friend in elementary school once did.
hillerm 1 year ago
BJJ doesn't claim to be useful in every possible situation you can encounter. Its designed for one on one fighting without weapons, and in those situations it is amazing.
hillerm 1 year ago
bjj wins again
MrAlontiveros1 2 years ago
The ONLY WAY TO DEFEATED JUI JITSU IS TO LEARN JUI JITSU. GOSH.
likeberly 2 years ago
Jiujitsu is undoubtedly a both lethal and efficient art. No wonder, after all, legs have strong structure to make us stand, but when you throw your body weight onto the opponent's legs, or shift them correctly, there isn't much left for him to do, but to fall. Hardly ever you'll beat a jiujitsu expert on ground, unless you're one too. The only problem with jiujitsu is that if you can prevent the opponent to grab your legs, if you keep distance, then the match is yours.
soporter 2 years ago
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soporter 2 years ago
LOL @ bjj is useless on the street. Sure, since there are NO streetfights in Sao Paolo, Rio, there are no gangs there, no crime that's why they know nothing about fighting :-) Funny kenpo guys keep up the good work and making is smile.
crits1458 2 years ago
really? lol i bet any one in jiu jitsu could kick your ass on the street
babo93 2 years ago
You should study the word sacrasm or learn some more english so you would understand i was actually defending jiujistu you idiot.
crits1458 2 years ago
well u need to get better at ur sarcasm becauseu sounded pretty serious
babo93 2 years ago
I didn't sound because i didn't talk. And "LOL @" means I was laughing at a comment made by anti bjj textmonkeys. So today you have learned something new again. Youtube is so educational.
crits1458 2 years ago
so what did i learn ?/ ne ?/ again?? dude lol did u think u sounded smart or something?
babo93 2 years ago
Then again some people never learn anything. I bet if you'd take some jiujitsu you'd never learn a thing with a brain like that.
crits1458 2 years ago
i bet u just watch mma not even jiu jitsu ... i train at rage fight club so u can eat a dick
babo93 2 years ago
And i bet your intellectual age is 11.
crits1458 2 years ago