Vote NO on Prop 4 -- Sexual Abuse Should Not Last A Lifetime

[rwestermeyer]

I love the piano music at the background. Who is it performed by?

[OneEyedJack1970]

This whole campaign has nothing to do with teen safety, anyway. It's about funding.  Who do you think pays for these underage abortions?

[OneEyedJack1970]

"Loving parents and California voters recognize that choice and access to care are more important than the "need to know" impulse. Lets keep our teens safe and vote NO ON 4!"

This is the stupidest, most illogical thing I've ever heard. When parents bury their heads in the sand, they're not doing a very good job of keeping their teens safe.

[KimmyEkviriyakul]

Parents should have full authority over a minor under the age of 18.

Taking away a parents right of being informed before a serious medical procedure is done is just stupid and wrong, because, that child is the parents responsibility.

Aboration is already killing the baby, and a chance of killing themselves.

[seximamma1222]

NO they shouldn't....if i can get preganant with out my mom knowing then i can get rid of the baby that came from it with out my mom knowing.

[TechnologyWitch]

Kimmy: Most teens with secure family relationships will tell their parents anyway. What about teens in abusive homes? What about incest? All prop 4 would do is cause them to get back-alley abortions, which present, le gasp, even MORE risks!

[Headhunter004]

What if a girl under the age of 18 was raped and got pregnant and her parents just so happen to be religious fanatics? Then they would force her to have the baby, force her through 9 months of more pain and suffering, and they wouldn't even care. Trust me, if you had ANY idea the kind of vastness of these violent and horrific acts, you would realize that, not only SHOULD they be able to get an abortion, but they shouldn't need anyone's consent for doing it.

[kenn4eva]

I agree. It's their body and they shold be the ones to choose to put it through having a kid or not, especially if its not their fault they're pregnant in the first place.

The last thing they need is a parent to chck them on the streets or tell them no, or have to wait for a judges approval. It adds so much pressre to the kid.

[Headhunter004]

I couldn't agree more! FINALLY someone who understands, because more often than not, I get replies from these anti-choice zealots who make all sorts of excuses to justify putting a rape victim through 9 more months of hell to give birth to a rapist's child "it's not the baby's fault the mother got raped, blahblahblah", they think ONLY of the rape fetus and not the poor rape victim herself, how cruel and inhumane. All PC laws should be abolished in any states in which they are present for sure.

[saiyajinmillina]

wait....but if the abortion is left anonymous then the mother would never find out about about the sexual abuse in this commercial

[Skythe4]

screw this! i totally love the idea of NO on four, i'm w/ that all the way! but I'm all for McCain, and you CAN have McCain w/o prop 4! It may not have worked out that way, but I'm McCain all the way!

[breaguy]

That's right..It should be next to impossible for girls to get an abortion behind their parents back...and all because they are too busy tricking around and spreading their legs nice and wide...before doing that, they should think about using a rubber or getting a pill from their mom, aunt, or older sisters.

[jfkjrlover]

Which choice isn't ours to make? The choice to have an abortion? Fuck off!

[calebsmom]

Parents have every right to make the choice in this matter (but that is not even what this prop is doing). The parents NEED to be notified and the abusive parent thing is a stupid argument. Do schools not report bad grades, drug abuse, bad conduct. Does the Police Department not report to the parents children behaving badly, driving drunk, doing drugs? Why should this be any different? Parents need to help children make wise choices and we need to be able to keep our children safe.

[SoldierCyfix]

a teenager is smarter than a dog (thats fact). if the avrage poodle can make up its own calls, a person should be able to do likewise or better. ppl are responsible for their own selves, that how i see things, when you drive drunk, its YOUR CAL, when you fuck its YOUR CALL, if a child gets sexually abused there are a ton of ppl they can report too

[twinkimaster]

"Do schools not report bad grades, drug abuse, bad conduct..."

Many supporters of prop 4 continue to use the argument that teens are treated this way in every other aspect of life, so why not this one? That may be the way things are, but that doesn't make it inherently right to involve parents in every aspect of a teen's life. Teenagers are human beings with their own thoughts and opinions.

Most parents have their children's best interest in mind, but they DON'T always know best.

[calebsmom]

So what you're saying is that a parent who has more life experience, has a clearer head, and has the CHILD'S best interest at heart, isn't better able to help a child with that decision. You're right, let's just let our confused teenagers be pushed by a boyfriend into a BIG money making clinic that does not have her best interest at heart, that makes a lot of sense. If the young lady were thinking clearly and being responsible, she probably wouldn't be in that situation in the first place.

[twinkimaster]

If a teenage girl really doesn't want to tell her parents that she's having an abortion, wouldn't there be a reason? Parents don't need to be abusive to damage their children. While one might expect a parent to have "a clearer head", it is an emotional situation. Someone who has known since the beginning may be able to make a much more rational decision than her parents.

I think it's wrong to patronize teenagers and strip them of rights based on the assumption that age determines competence.

[termanogue]

thats just the thing if i was young and i was making bad decision shame on me the reality is its my life and why should they have a say on my life altering mistake based on on their ideals, what if my position is different than my parents, its almost like government you have it but it gets to a certain point that you dont want it getting personal parents should be there to guide children but not making choices that big, i think a parent does deserve to know but not have any choice in the matter.

[hallakali]

I would vote yes, i just think parents should be notified. Dont get me wrong there are many reason for a no vote but parents or family members should be notified so they can give guidance. I just think that if nothing is being done about the abortion thing then teens will just do it again and again behind everyones backs. Maybe just maybe if it passes then teens will be safer when having sex, using condom, birth control, or just less sex so they dont get preg. Thats what I think

[chellstrong]

These parents who are voting no have no idea how many girls from "perfect" households are getting abortions. They think that only girls from abusive backgrounds are getting them. When I was in high school it was the girl next door that had her innocent reputation to uphold that got the abortion. They were too ashamed to admit that they weren't as perfect as their parents thought. Yes on 4

[chellstrong]

If a girl is being abused and she comes up pregnant by the attacker wouldn't that give her a chance to speak out? The fetus would be proof of incest. If this young girl is being raped how dose a secret abortion help? It only helps the attacker.

[DawnAkemi]

In an over-populated world, proponents for Prop 4 want to takes these first steps towards stealing the power of choice, and outlawing abortions. If a pregnant teen has a good relationship with their parents, they will communicate their pregnancy. But those who don't, especially those from abusive homes, may be forced into desperate measures. I'm voting NO on Prop 4.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Did you have a good relationship with your parents ? I sincerely hope so. But at least be honest in conceding that even kids having the best relationships with their parents are usually hardly ever upfront & forthright with them about their own indiscretions. Especially with something as big, and embarrassing, and as shameful, as having to tell them they're pregnant. That's why Prop 4 must pass. Because I know you wouldn't want your 16 year old daughter to get a secret abortion behind your back.

[DawnAkemi]

Yes, I have a good relationship with my parents, thank you for asking JustAboutMyPolitics. But, in truth, parental communication is not what this is about. It's about trying to maintain the illusion of control. Let's be really honest and concede an even deeper point. If my daughter is pregnant (and let's not use judgemental terms like "shameful"), I've already lost control of her behavior and no government mandate is going to prevent her from getting a secret abortion behind my back.

[Aceman1211]

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[Aceman1211]

YES on 4!!!! Go McCain! GO SARAH I LOVE YOU!!!!

[TheRightMama]

YES on 4!!!! : ) Go McCain!

[littleewok51]

You know what else lasts a lifetime? Living with the fact that your actions took a life. Living with the fact that your actions helped child predators get away scott free. And living with the fact that your actions put young girls in unnecessary danger by keeping all authority figures ingnorant to the fact that the child has undergone a majorly invasive elective surgery that may develop complications that require further medical treatment.

You guys clearly are looking out for kids.

[breaguy]

amazing how there needs to be stuff like this on the ballots! just a reflection of the times and world we live in today..The age of childhood innocence has disappeared in the last 20 years.

[julesmcclure]

Prop 4 differs from earlier measures by including specific language to safeguard teens from potential problems at home. YES on Prop 4 requires that in those rare cases of potential abuse, teens can get the protection of the appropriate, and professional law enforcement agency through the help of her doctor, just like she would through a teacher, counselor, or her pediatrician.

[16justhannah16]

Only that's way too difficult & would take forever and hardly anyone would actually do it.

Why would you vote yes? I mean, if a girl had a good relationship with her parents already, wouldn't she let them know anyways?

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Did you have a good relationship with your parents ? I sincerely hope so. But at least be honest in conceding that even kids having the best relationships with their parents are usually hardly ever upfront & forthright with them about their own indiscretions. Especially with something as big, and embarrassing, and as shameful, as having to tell them they're pregnant. That's why Prop 4 must pass. Because I know you wouldn't want your 16 year old daughter to get a secret abortion behind your back.

[16justhannah16]

If I had a 16 year old daughter, I'd vote no. I wouldn't want her to be too scared or not want to tell me & go get some back-alley abortion or try to miscarry herself.

Both my parents are voting no.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

I sincerely hope that when you do have your own daughter that she will have the courage to rise above our innate nature not to want to be upfront & forthright about our own indiscretions.

[FoundObjectFilms]

Many parents of teen girls will vote no on this proposition. They are confidant enough that their daughters trust them and will come to them if they need advise. The NO vote is to protect other girls, from abusive homes, who can NOT trust their parents. They will seek out other ways of obtaining their abortion which are potentially far more scary and dangerous. Do you want them to die in bloody back alley abortions? Most girls trust their parents - doesn't your's, justaboutmypolitics?

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

FoundObjectFilms, are you a parent ?

BTW, my daughter has perfect confidence & trust in both her parents.

FYI, the NO vote is not to protect girls from abusive homes. But to afford them an easy, yet abominable, way out of the irresponsible mess they got themselves into (in the second place) while doing something they shouldn't have been doing (in the first place) ! And so that's why they don't want to have to tell their parents (in the third place) !

No way Jose !

Vote YES on 4 !

[FoundObjectFilms]

I'm not a parent, but my stepfather has a teen girl, and he is voting NO just as many other sensible parents will be doing. He is intelligent, works in a hospital, and knows that not every family can be safely open with each-other. I see you wear your bible on your sleeve, and this is a anti-choice matter for you. You will never be able to see outside your narrow little viewpoint. The no vote IS to protect girls who are not safe confiding in their psycho parents. But you, Jose, will not listen.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

I didn't think you was a parent. Minors (i.e. children under the age of 18) aren't mature enough to make every decision that effects their lives. Which is why we statutorily prohibit them from certain things like alcohol & tobacco just to name the two most obvious. And contrary to your erroneous presumption, most people do not need to be religious in order to concede that underage sexual activity should in all likelihood be the third most obvious. And confidential abortions should be the fourth!

[FoundObjectFilms]

Ha, thanks for the laugh, Jose <3

[FoundObjectFilms]

Sorry, but it seems to be the religious zealots who run around screaming the word amoral at everything they disagree with. If you aren't religious, naturally I apologize for accusing you of being so.

[16justhannah16]

Yea 'cept tons of minors use alcohol and tobacco anyways.

Basically if it gets passed more people are just going to get unsafe abortions, & that's all really.

[16justhannah16]

ohh, you're pro-life? and think minors shouldn't have sex?

lol

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Only promiscuous teens and liberal left wingers support tax payer financed confidential legal abortions for illegal teen sexual promiscuity.

[ascschs1411]

this is ridiculous! WHATS THE POINT? THE PARENT IS ABUSIVE? LETS SAVE LIFE BY KILLING LIFE!!!!!!

[BlackCloak4017]

Making doctor assisted abortion illegal would mean more coathanger abortions. That is where the term Pro-Life fails.

[craftycassie82]

Hello JustAboutMyPolitics, All women, regardless of their age, have a right to reproductive health care and to choose their future without absurd obstacles initiated by anti-choice ideologues. Caring parents want adequate care for all daughters. Loving parents and California voters recognize that choice and access to care are more important than the "need to know" impulse. Lets keep our teens safe and vote NO ON 4!

Hi No John- I agree that John McCain is a threat to young women's safety.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Are you a parent ?

Reproductive health care ? That's what you call an abortion !

I'm sorry, but the only thing that will come of not changing the law is a continued easy, yet abominable, way for underage teen girls to get out the pregnancy they either irresponsibly got themselves into, or worse yet was subjugated into by a male predator not afraid to commit his crimes due to the virtual immunity he exploits too from the sacred privacy you think such teens should have.

Vote YES on 4 !

[craftycassie82]

You copied and pasted your reply from an earlier post- sorta dissolves the notion that you are passionate about "parental notification."

I get it, you are anti-choice. I respect your opinion. I just wish you would stop attacking the rights of young women who cannot even vote yet.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

You didn't say if you're a parent ?

Dissolved passion ? Why not copy & paste myself if my same comment serves well !

I am not anti-choice. Not for adults anyway !

I'm sorry, but girls under the age of 18 shouldn't even be sexually active in the first place !

And if they are, then they shouldn't look at "reproductive health care" as a quick & easy way out !

And if assaulted (heaven forbid) then all the more reason why their abortion should not be confidential !

Vote YES on 4 !

[jfkjrlover]

So basically you're admitting that you want Prop 4 to pass to make it more difficult for teens to get abortions? Disgusting!

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Teens don't have the legal right to be sexually active until they're 18. And so they don't have any right to get a secret abortion either. Minors aren't mature enough to be granted that level of responsibility. And they prove it over and over again by continuing to get pregnant anyway. And when Prop 4 passes, then that door will be closed. But evidently even some 23 year olds aren't mature enough to understand as much either. And that's what is really disgusting. But best wishes to you anyway.

[twinkimaster]

"Teens don't have the legal right..."

Would you say that minorities like blacks and Hispanics (who have higher rates of pregnancy out of wedlock) are "not mature enough to be granted that level of responsibility"?

If a minors are truly immature, why can they be charged as adults for crimes? Why do they pay taxes when they cannot vote?

In most cases, I do not believe that a person at 18 is significantly more mature than she was at 16 or 17.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

I would say that anyone who looks at secret taxpayer financed abortions as a form of birth control is not mature enough.

I don't think minors should be charged as adults for crimes.

16 & 17 year olds pay taxes because they don't know any better that they don't have to get nor use a social security number as an ostensibly required license to work.

And I also agree that just because someone turns 18, that doesn't make them automatically mature.

jfkjrlover is 23 and is still immature.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

I can't imagine any parent who would vote away their right to know if their underage daughter is getting an abortion unbeknownst to them !

And if the dad just so happens to be the rapist, then at least the mom still has the right to know !

And if there is no mother, then at least the closest next of kin should still have the right to know !

Vote YES on 4 !

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Obviously there is no perfect solution to this. Because sometimes there is no next of kin.

But this propaganda video is just baloney !

Because I know for sure that not even the makers of this video, nor the backers of this proposition, if they themselves were in fact a parent, would vote away their right to know !

Vote YES on 4 !

[16justhannah16]

Really? You "know" that? Doubt ittt. Both my parents are voting no, and so are all my friend's parents.

[JustAboutMyPolitics]

Only promiscuous teens and liberal left wingers support tax payer financed confidential legal abortions for illegal teen sexual promiscuity.