Actually, Ben Franklin came up with Daylight Savings - and Germany was the first to use it. I like it for this reason: during late spring, summer, and early fall, it's nice to have the sun out longer to go for a bicycle ride or take in a baseball game, have a cookout, etc. During November to March, it's much colder which is really no incentive to stay out late longer. Of course, I live in the north, and those of you to the south may feel different. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
kind of like them blowing the fire siren at noon, which back in the day was for the farmers. a lot of places still do it, but why? ok, maybe they're not alike but still...
Daylight savings time was just one example. This video could just as easily been about federal laws regarding the size of peaches which are allowed to be sold to the public. Or any other bullshit. They make make make make make make make make make, but never repeal. They make more and more laws whether we need them or not. Whether they are ethically justified or not. But they never take them back.
I agree with those here who favor laws that automatically end, and have to be renegotiated.
I'm all for implementing Thomas Jefferson's suggestion that all statutes passed in the previous generation (however much time we define that as) be automatically repealed at its end.
Oh, fucking bullshit. How much energy does daylight savings time ACTUALLY SAVE? I'll answer it for you: NONE! There's absolutely no point to the damn thing.
great video. aye, well at least some states are less strict than others on the crazy amount of laws that ridiculously forbid us certain freedoms. and there's a pendulum that swings back and forth over time that is of the American peoples' opinions. and hopefully the pendulum will swing eventually in favor of common sense instead of numerous idiotic laws forbidding us of our freedoms, and citizens will realize the difference between what we once HAD and what we're now ALLOWed to have.
Aw man... I thought you were propositioning me because of my amazing skill of knowing what time it is. Speaking of which, I totally agree that it sucks when it gets dark at 5:30.
The rest of my statement said that despite the specifics of the history of DST the point that it's stupid remains valid. How you can triple check weather or not I find something to be stupid and a completely unnecessary manipulation of perceived time, well I'm not quite sure, but good luck anyway.
"I suggest one house of legislators, another whose single duty is to repeal laws. Let the legislators pass laws only with a two-thirds majority... while the repealers are able to cancel any law through a mere one-third minority. Preposterous? Think about it. If a bill is so poor that it cannot command two-thirds of your consents, is it not likely that it would make a poor law? And if a law is disliked by as many as one-third is it not likely that you would be better off without it?"
I don't know if I agree with the ratchet analogy. I would need to see some numbers or a graph.
For example, in the 1950's the income tax rate on the top income bracket was like 91%, now it is only 35%. That represents a fairly large drawback of government power IMO.
He could be right about a general increase of government power wrt time, but he doesn't really provide any data to back it up.
Penn you are a moron First did not originate with Germans but in Britain, Germany and Austria started use in the modern era, fist US law 1918 replied in 1919 called Daylight Savings Time, War Time enacted in 1942 ended in 1945. Uniform time act 1966 if a state was to turn the clocks back it had to do so on a certain day. Emergency Daylight Saving Time 1974 to 1975 mandatory for all states. Uniform time act of 1986, and 2005 no state is forced to participate.
Are you calling Penn a moron because you know more about something stupid? You know you're probably a moron then concerning the subject of Russian summer refreshments sold on the streets of the former soviet block, only because I know more about it, but guess what it's worthless fucking knowledge, and anyone can read fucking wikipedia. Again I don't give a shit, it's just the gall to call someone a moron because of something this stupid, his point is valid, DST is fucking stupid, sorry!
1st: it's an HOUR! Who cares? Before we had clocks, DST was purely natural. We woke when the sun came up.
2nd: the concept predates WWI and Ben Franklin. Businesses that employed workers and counted on actual daylight benefited.
It probably no longer saves energy since we now have to cool workplaces in the summer.
3rd: timekeeping itself is a control mechanism, but is it a net benefit? Schedules depend on time. DST certainly HAD a benefit. Is it worth the effort to repeal it?
Years of congress bickering and being bribed by lobbyists, ignore serious issues. Study after endless study to help those idiots decide if DST is good or bad. Pork in the law to pay for a new sports stadium and DST museum. Then, the dollar cost of changing forms and modifying computer software.
I'm just not sure it's worth all that for the false sense of regained liberty.
You're right of course, I just have these dreams where stupid laws are repealed once people out grow them, but we still hold on to all kinds of stupid laws and try to make them fit new technology and it makes everyones life more stupid. It's like the tax code, it's so massive no one knows it all, and so it's easy for clever people to exploit it, but everyone else has to pay more and get lectured and made examples of because they didn't choose to be lawyers.
I feel your pain. I have a similar pipe dream where a federal law maker or the President is asked to do something about perceived problems like steroids in pro sports to oil company profits to bailing out failed corporations and that elected official says, "I'm sorry, but the Constitution doesn't grant me the authority to take direct action in this matter, and I agree with the Constitution."
I know what you mean, Penn. That's why I'm afraid of this health care bill. When it is enacted and inevitably fails, it will be virtually impossible to get rid of it!
For those out there who can't grasp the point of the video, in summation:
The government has you by the balls. They can create and enforce any law they want oblivious to it's necessity or morality, stripping you of your rights little by little. The end.
Indiana was a daylight time free state until a couples years ago. every one I know hates it!!!!!!! nothing like making a 4 year old go to bed when it's daylight outside. mid summer it's still daylight at 10:30pm !!!!!!!
Penn is absolutely right. Central governments do not give up control EVER once it has been consolidated. Think about what precedents are being set now and be aware that once in place, they are not going away.
I'm pretty neutral about the whole thing. I think the only reason I like it is because I know summer is going to be around the corner when it comes back. (It's usually still pretty cold by that time, and I'm very tired of the cold weather.) On the other hand, who needs it? If we go into work and go to bed an hour earlier, it all has the same effect. You might even go into work two hours earlier, and intensify it.
It's really disturbing that Woodrow Wilson always seems to be near the top of everyone's list of the greatest presidents. Nearly everything this guy did as president was evil, and most of his actions have had really long-lasting consequences. Daylight Saving Time was one of the least of his crimes.
What amazes me are people who say they "love" DST. They're so easily fooled by what is nothing more than an illusion. It doesn't *save* daylight--it merely offsets it. The sun has never obeyed the clock.
I have people tell me "I wish it was always DST! It means there's more daylight when I get off work!"
Well, then your problem is that your employer has you working until dark. But, it's not the fact that the clock doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
Whats wrong with DST is that we do it for all the wrong reason's. If there is any good reason, it is that illusion you speak of. More time outside after work with daylight is awesome for those of us who enjoy it. It's a fact that most people work 1st shift from about 8 to 5. It's no illusion, the extra time with light is real, because you keep the same schedule. If you work 2nd or 3rd shift, you get lots of daylight but then you will have little in common with normal people.
Here's a thought- I live in AZ (and you are right, we don't have to deal with it), yet I live on the border of NV. People I know who own cell phones find the time display is either AZ or NV time, depending on where you are in the city. In fact, one can be in NV and experience the same problem. You want to talk headaches?!
My cell phone has "Arizona Time", so DST never affects it. It's funny living in AZ when the time changes everwhere else, TV shows air an hour later or earlier. The time didn't change in AZ, but because it changed everywhere else, it makes airing times different for us. Kind of funny, and really annoying. Plus it is annoying having to explain to people who live out of state that we ARE on Mountain Standard Time, but we don't have Day Light savings Time. Anyway, go AZ!
I thought daylight saving time was so the golf courses would be open longer so our president, congress men, senators, and judges could play golf more.
After living in Japan for 10 years I see no need for such bull shit.
No federal law mandates that U.S. states or territories observe daylight saving time. The decision to switch lies locally with them. The fed gov. only sets the start/end period of DST for purposes of uniformity for those areas that do switch. DST does save on energy because more people are awake in the evening than early morning, and thus requires less power for lighting. Also, there are fewer car accidents in daylight hours. But how the hell does DST infringe on freedom??? **facepalm**
I'm glad SOMEBODY ELSE hates DST as much as I do. Are we idiots? Gee, it's dark out, must not be 8pm. Can't go to work when it's dark! Penn's right, we don't need it anymore.
There's no such thing as a "temporary government program"... Government ALWAYS goes over budget, under performs, and over promises. And with these KNOWN FACTS, we still want to have government run healthcare?
Yeah, they're terrible.... minus the Fire Department, Department of Energy, Municipal Water Utility, FCC, National Weather Service, National
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA, USDA, FDA, National Institute of Standards of Technology, Department of Transportation, EPA, and more.... But yeah. They suck. It's not like they make driving, the internet, clean food, water and general protection possible or anything.
This is fallacious. It's as though you're saying the "government makes these things possible" and thereby implying that there's NO OTHER WAY to do these things. Like, if there was no government, there wouldn't be cars, roads, food, water, electricity, internet or anything else.
The idea that ONLY government can do these things is absurd. The idea that the government does them better than private industry is equally absurd.
Government is force. Force should be limited. Limit government.
I didn't mean to imply that, yet they do happen to do all of these things currently. I was responding to the statement that the government underperforms in EVERY situation, said by eagleeye to be a "KNOWN FACT." I merely provided examples to the contrary.
And no, it is definitely a possibility that government can do some things better than private business.
Our positions admittedly rely on different assumptions... I just think I'd rather elect those who run things than just hope for the best
I would beg to differ at such a quickly formed conclusion. I'm not advocating for any less individual control than you are, maybe even more actually. The bottom line is that there must be a societal agreement for society to function. That societal agreement is government. Either more power can be given to those you actually get to partially choose, or more power can be given to those who you have no say in choosing. Which ultimately gives more power to you as an individual?
I stand corrected that you were implying that only the government could provide these things.
However, you seem to overlook the fact that government is an institution of FORCE. You vote someone in, they pass a law, the law says "do or don't do this"... OR ELSE. The "or else" is a threat of FORCE.
So even if government can provide things and perform better than private industry, they do so BY FORCE.
So, do you endorse the use of force if it allows the government to "run things better"?
I agree, I wasn't addressing that whatsoever, valid criticism.
I would say mostly yes to my endorsement, because I feel like it's either I'm forced by the government, or "forced" through necessity by private industry. If I need something, I need it. Whether it's from the government or private industry, it seems like a kind of force.
But yes, government does use some force, but really? I think I'm ok with that. And yes, I realize you are not, and that is another difference between us.
Thanks for your ongoing replies. Let me ask clarifying questions.
If you're okay with "some force", what if some individual were to visit you at work and say "I want 10% of your wages or else my buddies will throw you in jail". Would you be okay with that?
If yes, then you granting that it's okay for individuals to steal from or enslave other individuals.
If no, why is it different if one person does it than if a government does it, which is just a bunch of individuals?
Furthermore, what is the definition of "run things better"? What if the government decides that in order to run things better, everyone must go to church? Or stop going to church? Or have more babies, or no babies? Or that everyone "buy American" or watch 4 hours of TV a day. Or that everyone has to serve in the military, which means train to KILL people. And so on.
Are you saying that the government has the right to FORCE you, or anyone, to do ANYTHING, as long as enough people vote for it?
No, I would not, because that 10% will not benefit anyone. The wealth distribution is for societal benefit, thus serves a purpose.
No, I am not saying the government may do anything, all it is is that I trust the current government to use what one may contribute beneficially and well. My political standpoint is absolutely dependent upon the track record/my personal level of trust for the government currently in power, and I happen to have some trust for this one.
time is irrelevant in the universe, our 6pm or 4am is meaningless, its just our way to knowing when to do things in life, it has no bearing on the real time. we made all this shit up.
Since they are in reverse order, everyone knows in advance. that the acronym is PENIS. Maybe I just want to see how many times I can say Penis in a comments section of some random rant about daylight savings time. Daylight savings time pisses me off so much. I hate it. The sun is supposed to be high in the sky at noon, not jumping around at the government's whim.
Penn, I hate daylight savings time at least as much as you hate it. In fact, I agree with almost every position you talk about. I know that you probably don't read any of these comments but, I agree with your points for almost the opposite reasons that you have given. The "Penn" world would be a wonderful place. I want it. At some point in these little talks that you have with us, you need to start providing solutions. We could be Penn's Emissary's for Nonviolent Improvement to Society.
Time zones are just really fucking weird in general. There's a +14:30 GMC zone in the Pacific somewhere, and you can go from 4:30 in Afghanistan to 8:00 in China just by crossing the border. We should go UTC for everything and be done with it!
How does Daylight Savings Time take away your freedom? The time of day is just an arbitrary convention in the first place, that means nothing on its own...so if the government declares it's 9:00, how is that fundamentally any better or worse than if the government declares it's 8:00?
The only way I could POSSIBLY see this infringing on your freedom is the 10 seconds it takes you to change your clocks twice a year. And even then, no one is FORCING you to change your clocks.
@JonAtUD Did you not watch the video? he's not saying DST is taking away his freedom. He's saying DST is an example of Government never being able to shed itself of bad law.
I know his point...but that presupposes it's a bad law. I think standard time is terrible, and so do many others...basically, most people who spend time outside instead of in front of the TV or in bars.
DST Is bad law. At Least that is my opinion. I agree with you about being outside, I wish they gave us even more sunlight in the evening so those of us with Jobs, can enjoy the outdoors. something that is impossible to do in the winter, because it's dark by the time I get home. But the fact remains that all this shifting back and forth is stupid. All the reason's why have long ago been refuted. They should just pick a time and be done with it.
penn, It's actually called daylight SAVING time, not daylight savingS time. I know a lot of people say savingS but that's incorrect. I know you are interested in grammar, etc, so I thought I'd let you know
I'm not an expert at all...but IF it saves energy, then why get all crazy about it? IF it doesn't, speak to that and we can debate it. I personally like having the sun up earlier this time of year.
i thought i heard that daylight savings hasn't been changed because people tend to go out and shop longer and spend more when they are exposed to the most amount of sunlight in their day. but i could be wrong.
US Government droped nuclear bombs on innocent people of Japan. US government forced young Americans to go into Vietnam, killing their lives and lives of Vietnamese. US interned innocent Japanese into camps during WW2.
If this is not "bad" then you are a retard.
The greatest evils that have been committed have been committed by states not be individuals.
Japan had many times killeds 100,000s if not millions of Chinese during WW2. They did horrible things to prisoners, they were the first to engineer and use biological weapons which farther killed 100,000s.
Yawn, owned.
Also using your logic the free market is even worst. How many times have industrial companies in other countries cause the deaths of 1000s and birth defects to skyrocket, etc?
Genghis Khan used biological warfare before the Japanese, and the white Americans used smallpox as a genocidal tool against the indians long before WWII
Your argument does not work. You do not realize this because of your collectivist mindset. Japan attacked us. It DOES NOT mean it is justified to drop nuclear weapons on innocent Japanese civilians who had nothing to do with this incident. Of course, you think like a collectivist and thinks that everyone who is Japanese is required to suffer.
About the free market. Watched Penn's video on the free market. One cannot harm people in a free market. So what you said also fails.
I can think of a thousand other things to get on a soapbox about when it comes to big govt. DST is not one of them. It was standardized not because of the govt, but because people liked it. This was not a great Penn Says.
Daylight time is what we were on BEFORE. Now we're on standard time. I HATE being on standard time, and so does everyone else who likes to do anything outside after work. It's also a waste to have the sun come up at 4 in the morning in the summer when everyone is asleep. If we could culturally change to do everything an hour earlier that'd be fine. But we can't. So, I LOVE Daylight Saving Time.
I hate the idea of DST because in effect, what you're doing is banking an hour of sleep in April and getting it back in November with no interest. It's probably the dumbest idea politicians have ever come up with, and that's saying something. As for the idea that DST saves money, DST does nothing that couldn't be accomplished by people simply getting up, going to work, coming home, and going to bed an hour earlier ON THEIR OWN. I'm a bleeding-heart lib, but man, I hate social engineering!
I agree with Penn's deeper concern (the danger of temporary 'special' legislation),but DST is such a minor issue. It may be largely ineffective, but it's hardly a terrible imposition on people and surely doesn't rise to the level of the loss of freedom we've endured from the patriot act. DST isn't social engineering. Essentially social engineering is commonly used as slang to refer to an individual act of manipulation or fraud and I don't believe this meets that level of accusaction.
No, mecher, I'm not a "retard," you're just a semiliterate imbecile who isn't mature enough to participate in an adult conversation. Please do the gene pool a favor, and kill or castrate yourself.
Hawaii doesn't do daylight savings time. And my friend that is Hawaiian she told me why do you do it what's the point? And I told her we don't know we just do it because we have to lol I know the point of it don't reply to me with the point.
i gained one hour in the studio (cause our studio normally closes at 4am) so i dont mind it. ya of course I lose it later but i need that extra hour that weekend.
sure what you said was true but there are bigger things to discuss or even make videos over.
Yes, and it was probably Ben Franklin's only bad invention of the tens of things he invented.
I am disappointed yet not shocked that [libertarian] Penn doesn't admit that DTS is yet another case of the government actually being a bitch to corporations. Politicians almost outright say that they have retained it because corporate data indicates that eliminating it would cause businesses to lose billions in profit.
Um... that's after Daylight saving has ended.. That you recognise you have less daylight after daylight saving ends must mean you also know that you have more daylight when daylight saving starts in the spring and through the summer...
"the clock does not affect the amount of daylight, when you get up does."
Exactly, and the reason we have daylight saving is so that we get that extra bit of sunlight in the evening during the summer months, which would normally be in the morning before most people have gotten up.
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bugsz1 9 months ago
yeah Daylight savings time is bullshit and we do need to get rid of it. Also good message about Government and how it's very hard to repeal anything.
shohmyoh 10 months ago
he could do a bullsh@t show top.,.,, Penn's right you know.
missy12061 1 year ago
Actually, Ben Franklin came up with Daylight Savings - and Germany was the first to use it. I like it for this reason: during late spring, summer, and early fall, it's nice to have the sun out longer to go for a bicycle ride or take in a baseball game, have a cookout, etc. During November to March, it's much colder which is really no incentive to stay out late longer. Of course, I live in the north, and those of you to the south may feel different. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
SaintSteven67 1 year ago
kind of like them blowing the fire siren at noon, which back in the day was for the farmers. a lot of places still do it, but why? ok, maybe they're not alike but still...
followingbreadcrumbs 1 year ago
seperation of church and state? fuck that they amalgamated the two and now government is GOD
hatchi58 1 year ago
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RunLiberty 1 year ago
I always though they made day light savings time so when kids walk to school in the morning, they have more light
lionslicer9999 1 year ago
Indiana was one of the last hold outs we started daylight savings time a few years ago.
darkdragonsoul99 1 year ago
It'll be a dream come true if Penn was my teacher for math, science, history etc.
This guy is LIGIT lol :D
xxskittlez123xx 1 year ago
Government is a ratchet AND a racket.
032125 1 year ago
Daylight savings time was just one example. This video could just as easily been about federal laws regarding the size of peaches which are allowed to be sold to the public. Or any other bullshit. They make make make make make make make make make, but never repeal. They make more and more laws whether we need them or not. Whether they are ethically justified or not. But they never take them back.
I agree with those here who favor laws that automatically end, and have to be renegotiated.
rmcdaniel423 2 years ago
By the same token, let's get rid of a lot of the New Deal programs.
duskwalker2 2 years ago
It lets the kids go to the bus stop during "daylight" in the morning. As a dad, thats the positive to me.
hotmercedes 2 years ago
I think more of his point is how he cannot get rid of these programs and laws when you only need them for a specific time.
bower4311 2 years ago
Penn is the most amazing person on earth, period... end of conversation...
MoonGaurd 2 years ago
I'm all for implementing Thomas Jefferson's suggestion that all statutes passed in the previous generation (however much time we define that as) be automatically repealed at its end.
WAMill3R 2 years ago
But it does save energy. War or no war, saving energy is the right thing to do. We're gonna be glad we did someday.
cinndave 2 years ago
No, energy use goes up during daylight savings time.
macornelius 2 years ago
Oh, fucking bullshit. How much energy does daylight savings time ACTUALLY SAVE? I'll answer it for you: NONE! There's absolutely no point to the damn thing.
WAMill3R 2 years ago
great video. aye, well at least some states are less strict than others on the crazy amount of laws that ridiculously forbid us certain freedoms. and there's a pendulum that swings back and forth over time that is of the American peoples' opinions. and hopefully the pendulum will swing eventually in favor of common sense instead of numerous idiotic laws forbidding us of our freedoms, and citizens will realize the difference between what we once HAD and what we're now ALLOWed to have.
dandarwish 2 years ago
Really good point. I'm going to steal your ratchet analogy, by the way.
Volvandese 2 years ago
@Volvandese - thanks and feel free to use the ratchet at your leisure!
pennsays 2 years ago
I don't mind DST. Love ya Penn keep up the good work. love the channel.
Marlin913 2 years ago
thanks to DST it goes dark where I live at 5:30 in the winter. That blows.
VideoGamer945 2 years ago
Winter is standard time.
FinkKid 2 years ago
really!?!
VideoGamer945 2 years ago
lol. yeah, it's true.
FinkKid 2 years ago
well fuck me running sideways, I thought it was the other way around.
VideoGamer945 2 years ago
Well I don't know how that type of fucking would work, but I sure would like to try! Are you a chick? If so, how athletic are you?
FinkKid 2 years ago
not a chick, very straight, and not very athletic. Just three noteworthy snags.
VideoGamer945 2 years ago
Aw man... I thought you were propositioning me because of my amazing skill of knowing what time it is. Speaking of which, I totally agree that it sucks when it gets dark at 5:30.
FinkKid 2 years ago
there's a giant fucking mountain in my town so the sun actually goes down at 4:30, but ya know whatever.
VideoGamer945 2 years ago
@FinkKid - haha has your amazing skill of knowing what time it is translated to luck in your sex life?
pennsays 2 years ago
The rest of my statement said that despite the specifics of the history of DST the point that it's stupid remains valid. How you can triple check weather or not I find something to be stupid and a completely unnecessary manipulation of perceived time, well I'm not quite sure, but good luck anyway.
UrinationNation 2 years ago
*stabs daylight savings time*
Nope, that didn't work.
AzhiDahaki9 2 years ago
are you sure???
*stab stab stab stab stab*
yep..you're sure.
realdoogie 2 years ago
My absolute favorite thing about living in AZ is not having Day Lights saving time. I hate that just SO much!
educatedsavage 2 years ago
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"I suggest one house of legislators, another whose single duty is to repeal laws. Let the legislators pass laws only with a two-thirds majority... while the repealers are able to cancel any law through a mere one-third minority. Preposterous? Think about it. If a bill is so poor that it cannot command two-thirds of your consents, is it not likely that it would make a poor law? And if a law is disliked by as many as one-third is it not likely that you would be better off without it?"
-Heinlein
VeniVidiVid 2 years ago
I don't know if I agree with the ratchet analogy. I would need to see some numbers or a graph.
For example, in the 1950's the income tax rate on the top income bracket was like 91%, now it is only 35%. That represents a fairly large drawback of government power IMO.
He could be right about a general increase of government power wrt time, but he doesn't really provide any data to back it up.
BenU314159 2 years ago
Time zones need to go too.
atypicalguy 2 years ago
It's 5:15 here, west coast USA and dark out. I am home, it "feels" too late to shop. How does this help the USA economy?
rich0319726 2 years ago
I'm from Arizona, and I'm always amused by how ridiculous the rest of the country looks when they go into daylight savings time...
Emwhyceeaychayell 2 years ago
It's Daylight Saving time.
Just saying...
bubbaj909 2 years ago
Penn you are a moron First did not originate with Germans but in Britain, Germany and Austria started use in the modern era, fist US law 1918 replied in 1919 called Daylight Savings Time, War Time enacted in 1942 ended in 1945. Uniform time act 1966 if a state was to turn the clocks back it had to do so on a certain day. Emergency Daylight Saving Time 1974 to 1975 mandatory for all states. Uniform time act of 1986, and 2005 no state is forced to participate.
jgrowley3 2 years ago
Are you calling Penn a moron because you know more about something stupid? You know you're probably a moron then concerning the subject of Russian summer refreshments sold on the streets of the former soviet block, only because I know more about it, but guess what it's worthless fucking knowledge, and anyone can read fucking wikipedia. Again I don't give a shit, it's just the gall to call someone a moron because of something this stupid, his point is valid, DST is fucking stupid, sorry!
UrinationNation 2 years ago
Hawaii doesn't use DST either
lordcheetah 2 years ago
1st: it's an HOUR! Who cares? Before we had clocks, DST was purely natural. We woke when the sun came up.
2nd: the concept predates WWI and Ben Franklin. Businesses that employed workers and counted on actual daylight benefited.
It probably no longer saves energy since we now have to cool workplaces in the summer.
3rd: timekeeping itself is a control mechanism, but is it a net benefit? Schedules depend on time. DST certainly HAD a benefit. Is it worth the effort to repeal it?
yegreskin 2 years ago
The only thing they would have to change are forms and computer software. I don't see why it's so hard, seems pretty straight forward to me.
UrinationNation 2 years ago
"I don't see why it's so hard"
Years of congress bickering and being bribed by lobbyists, ignore serious issues. Study after endless study to help those idiots decide if DST is good or bad. Pork in the law to pay for a new sports stadium and DST museum. Then, the dollar cost of changing forms and modifying computer software.
I'm just not sure it's worth all that for the false sense of regained liberty.
yegreskin 2 years ago
You're right of course, I just have these dreams where stupid laws are repealed once people out grow them, but we still hold on to all kinds of stupid laws and try to make them fit new technology and it makes everyones life more stupid. It's like the tax code, it's so massive no one knows it all, and so it's easy for clever people to exploit it, but everyone else has to pay more and get lectured and made examples of because they didn't choose to be lawyers.
UrinationNation 2 years ago 2
I feel your pain. I have a similar pipe dream where a federal law maker or the President is asked to do something about perceived problems like steroids in pro sports to oil company profits to bailing out failed corporations and that elected official says, "I'm sorry, but the Constitution doesn't grant me the authority to take direct action in this matter, and I agree with the Constitution."
yegreskin 2 years ago
herehere! why can't I have the extra light in the WINTER instead of a summer day that NEVER ENDS!
shuttledik 2 years ago
Make Noon when the sun is directly overhead on the equinoxes, at some random place, let's say DC. Once that's established, leave the clock alone.
DavidCaddock 2 years ago
I know what you mean, Penn. That's why I'm afraid of this health care bill. When it is enacted and inevitably fails, it will be virtually impossible to get rid of it!
KosherGamer 2 years ago
...so true, I hate it too.
kaox44 2 years ago
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MrDeppness 2 years ago
Do a Penn & Teller: Bullshit episode on it.
leakykullon 2 years ago 2
very interesting I never knew about this D:
coryy650 2 years ago
living in az and not having to deal with switching the clocks is pretty rad. only problem is that everyones tv scheldules get messed up.
AshKetchum442 2 years ago
You turn your clock back by jerking your arm down like a retard? That must be one fucked up clock...
IAbortionsTickleI 2 years ago
well it's a fairly complicated clock
pennsays 2 years ago
Hah :)
IAbortionsTickleI 2 years ago
For those out there who can't grasp the point of the video, in summation:
The government has you by the balls. They can create and enforce any law they want oblivious to it's necessity or morality, stripping you of your rights little by little. The end.
Trigunflame 2 years ago 8
That's the way I feel about it! The only point I differ on is that it is not "The End"! They're gonna keep on doing it!
orvie8 2 years ago
Indiana was a daylight time free state until a couples years ago. every one I know hates it!!!!!!! nothing like making a 4 year old go to bed when it's daylight outside. mid summer it's still daylight at 10:30pm !!!!!!!
FUCK YOU MITCH
toplessfunn 2 years ago
Penn is absolutely right. Central governments do not give up control EVER once it has been consolidated. Think about what precedents are being set now and be aware that once in place, they are not going away.
pretorious700 2 years ago
I'm pretty neutral about the whole thing. I think the only reason I like it is because I know summer is going to be around the corner when it comes back. (It's usually still pretty cold by that time, and I'm very tired of the cold weather.) On the other hand, who needs it? If we go into work and go to bed an hour earlier, it all has the same effect. You might even go into work two hours earlier, and intensify it.
donignacio2000 2 years ago
It's really disturbing that Woodrow Wilson always seems to be near the top of everyone's list of the greatest presidents. Nearly everything this guy did as president was evil, and most of his actions have had really long-lasting consequences. Daylight Saving Time was one of the least of his crimes.
kittyprydekissme 2 years ago
Why is Penn's fingernail panted red? Look at his left ring-finger.
martinvii 2 years ago
it has been for about 30 years, way to catch on.
adrenacrumb 2 years ago
What amazes me are people who say they "love" DST. They're so easily fooled by what is nothing more than an illusion. It doesn't *save* daylight--it merely offsets it. The sun has never obeyed the clock.
I have people tell me "I wish it was always DST! It means there's more daylight when I get off work!"
Well, then your problem is that your employer has you working until dark. But, it's not the fact that the clock doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
espaceman000 2 years ago
Whats wrong with DST is that we do it for all the wrong reason's. If there is any good reason, it is that illusion you speak of. More time outside after work with daylight is awesome for those of us who enjoy it. It's a fact that most people work 1st shift from about 8 to 5. It's no illusion, the extra time with light is real, because you keep the same schedule. If you work 2nd or 3rd shift, you get lots of daylight but then you will have little in common with normal people.
nchiley 2 years ago
I can't think of a better example of Congressional ratcheting than the Federal income tax.
espaceman000 2 years ago
Here's a thought- I live in AZ (and you are right, we don't have to deal with it), yet I live on the border of NV. People I know who own cell phones find the time display is either AZ or NV time, depending on where you are in the city. In fact, one can be in NV and experience the same problem. You want to talk headaches?!
choirgrrl 2 years ago
My cell phone has "Arizona Time", so DST never affects it. It's funny living in AZ when the time changes everwhere else, TV shows air an hour later or earlier. The time didn't change in AZ, but because it changed everywhere else, it makes airing times different for us. Kind of funny, and really annoying. Plus it is annoying having to explain to people who live out of state that we ARE on Mountain Standard Time, but we don't have Day Light savings Time. Anyway, go AZ!
salmongutter 2 years ago
That is a problem that everybody who borders a timezone has with or without DST
nchiley 2 years ago
Daylight's saving time is just depressing.
badtown88 2 years ago
I thought daylight saving time was so the golf courses would be open longer so our president, congress men, senators, and judges could play golf more.
After living in Japan for 10 years I see no need for such bull shit.
MsWanderer1 2 years ago 2
Yah, same here. I lived in Japan for eight years and I never missed daylight savings.
crumblycake1969 2 years ago
haha well they've got to finish the back nine!
pennsays 2 years ago
No federal law mandates that U.S. states or territories observe daylight saving time. The decision to switch lies locally with them. The fed gov. only sets the start/end period of DST for purposes of uniformity for those areas that do switch. DST does save on energy because more people are awake in the evening than early morning, and thus requires less power for lighting. Also, there are fewer car accidents in daylight hours. But how the hell does DST infringe on freedom??? **facepalm**
JesusSavesAtCitibank 2 years ago
I'm glad SOMEBODY ELSE hates DST as much as I do. Are we idiots? Gee, it's dark out, must not be 8pm. Can't go to work when it's dark! Penn's right, we don't need it anymore.
etzel33 2 years ago
Arizona sane? Obviously you haven't visited us much. But, I still very much enjoy not having to mess with my clocks.
DTMidian 2 years ago
There's no such thing as a "temporary government program"... Government ALWAYS goes over budget, under performs, and over promises. And with these KNOWN FACTS, we still want to have government run healthcare?
Are people fucking stupid?
eagleeye1975 2 years ago 2
Yeah, they're terrible.... minus the Fire Department, Department of Energy, Municipal Water Utility, FCC, National Weather Service, National
Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA, USDA, FDA, National Institute of Standards of Technology, Department of Transportation, EPA, and more.... But yeah. They suck. It's not like they make driving, the internet, clean food, water and general protection possible or anything.
Damn government.
Logos385 2 years ago
This is fallacious. It's as though you're saying the "government makes these things possible" and thereby implying that there's NO OTHER WAY to do these things. Like, if there was no government, there wouldn't be cars, roads, food, water, electricity, internet or anything else.
The idea that ONLY government can do these things is absurd. The idea that the government does them better than private industry is equally absurd.
Government is force. Force should be limited. Limit government.
austinonym 2 years ago 3
This comment was @Logos385
austinonym 2 years ago
I didn't mean to imply that, yet they do happen to do all of these things currently. I was responding to the statement that the government underperforms in EVERY situation, said by eagleeye to be a "KNOWN FACT." I merely provided examples to the contrary.
And no, it is definitely a possibility that government can do some things better than private business.
Our positions admittedly rely on different assumptions... I just think I'd rather elect those who run things than just hope for the best
Logos385 2 years ago
Man are you disillusioned. Its a shame you've decided you'd rather not manage your own life, and to vote for officials who will run MY LIFE as well!
ApopkaDave 2 years ago
I would beg to differ at such a quickly formed conclusion. I'm not advocating for any less individual control than you are, maybe even more actually. The bottom line is that there must be a societal agreement for society to function. That societal agreement is government. Either more power can be given to those you actually get to partially choose, or more power can be given to those who you have no say in choosing. Which ultimately gives more power to you as an individual?
Logos385 2 years ago
I stand corrected that you were implying that only the government could provide these things.
However, you seem to overlook the fact that government is an institution of FORCE. You vote someone in, they pass a law, the law says "do or don't do this"... OR ELSE. The "or else" is a threat of FORCE.
So even if government can provide things and perform better than private industry, they do so BY FORCE.
So, do you endorse the use of force if it allows the government to "run things better"?
austinonym 2 years ago
I agree, I wasn't addressing that whatsoever, valid criticism.
I would say mostly yes to my endorsement, because I feel like it's either I'm forced by the government, or "forced" through necessity by private industry. If I need something, I need it. Whether it's from the government or private industry, it seems like a kind of force.
But yes, government does use some force, but really? I think I'm ok with that. And yes, I realize you are not, and that is another difference between us.
Logos385 2 years ago
Thanks for your ongoing replies. Let me ask clarifying questions.
If you're okay with "some force", what if some individual were to visit you at work and say "I want 10% of your wages or else my buddies will throw you in jail". Would you be okay with that?
If yes, then you granting that it's okay for individuals to steal from or enslave other individuals.
If no, why is it different if one person does it than if a government does it, which is just a bunch of individuals?
austinonym 2 years ago
Furthermore, what is the definition of "run things better"? What if the government decides that in order to run things better, everyone must go to church? Or stop going to church? Or have more babies, or no babies? Or that everyone "buy American" or watch 4 hours of TV a day. Or that everyone has to serve in the military, which means train to KILL people. And so on.
Are you saying that the government has the right to FORCE you, or anyone, to do ANYTHING, as long as enough people vote for it?
austinonym 2 years ago
No, I would not, because that 10% will not benefit anyone. The wealth distribution is for societal benefit, thus serves a purpose.
No, I am not saying the government may do anything, all it is is that I trust the current government to use what one may contribute beneficially and well. My political standpoint is absolutely dependent upon the track record/my personal level of trust for the government currently in power, and I happen to have some trust for this one.
Logos385 2 years ago
clearly they are.
viehe69 2 years ago
yep
JimmerSD 2 years ago
Hey, Penn. You have a grammar error in the description.
You should've written "its" not "it's"
razieldumas 2 years ago
@raziedumas thanks - have you been watching grammar girl?
pennsays 2 years ago
Wow, a reply from Penn himself! That's really freaking cool.
But no, I don't. English major here, and I get PLENTY of that shit at school. Haha.
razieldumas 2 years ago
@razieldumas Actually, we're not Penn. There are a couple of us that help out with the comments. Sorry for the confusion! :-)
pennsays 2 years ago
time is irrelevant in the universe, our 6pm or 4am is meaningless, its just our way to knowing when to do things in life, it has no bearing on the real time. we made all this shit up.
axl409v 2 years ago
good point @axl409v time is bullshit!
pennsays 2 years ago
Since they are in reverse order, everyone knows in advance. that the acronym is PENIS. Maybe I just want to see how many times I can say Penis in a comments section of some random rant about daylight savings time. Daylight savings time pisses me off so much. I hate it. The sun is supposed to be high in the sky at noon, not jumping around at the government's whim.
dingerma 2 years ago
All government move toward an elite group that rules everybody else.
princeofexcess 2 years ago
If Penn reads these things, he knew that the acronym was PENIS.
dingerma 2 years ago
P.E.N.I.S
dingerma 2 years ago
Penn, I hate daylight savings time at least as much as you hate it. In fact, I agree with almost every position you talk about. I know that you probably don't read any of these comments but, I agree with your points for almost the opposite reasons that you have given. The "Penn" world would be a wonderful place. I want it. At some point in these little talks that you have with us, you need to start providing solutions. We could be Penn's Emissary's for Nonviolent Improvement to Society.
dingerma 2 years ago
I agree, but I actually see this motion occur in far more places than government.
unpeacefulone 2 years ago
Time zones are just really fucking weird in general. There's a +14:30 GMC zone in the Pacific somewhere, and you can go from 4:30 in Afghanistan to 8:00 in China just by crossing the border. We should go UTC for everything and be done with it!
DJH47 2 years ago
How does Daylight Savings Time take away your freedom? The time of day is just an arbitrary convention in the first place, that means nothing on its own...so if the government declares it's 9:00, how is that fundamentally any better or worse than if the government declares it's 8:00?
The only way I could POSSIBLY see this infringing on your freedom is the 10 seconds it takes you to change your clocks twice a year. And even then, no one is FORCING you to change your clocks.
JonAtUD 2 years ago
@JonAtUD Did you not watch the video? he's not saying DST is taking away his freedom. He's saying DST is an example of Government never being able to shed itself of bad law.
nchiley 2 years ago
I know his point...but that presupposes it's a bad law. I think standard time is terrible, and so do many others...basically, most people who spend time outside instead of in front of the TV or in bars.
blurglide 2 years ago
DST Is bad law. At Least that is my opinion. I agree with you about being outside, I wish they gave us even more sunlight in the evening so those of us with Jobs, can enjoy the outdoors. something that is impossible to do in the winter, because it's dark by the time I get home. But the fact remains that all this shifting back and forth is stupid. All the reason's why have long ago been refuted. They should just pick a time and be done with it.
nchiley 2 years ago
He said several times in the video that he's against laws that take away freedom. And there is no other mention of why it might be a "bad law."
JonAtUD 2 years ago
did you lose a finger nail or did you paint it?
TheyCallMeCracker14 2 years ago
@TheyCallMeCracker14 He explains it in an earlier video, it's painted to honor his mother.
nchiley 2 years ago
ooooohhh.
I thought he might have lost it
TheyCallMeCracker14 2 years ago
it's still there...just red
pennsays 2 years ago
penn, It's actually called daylight SAVING time, not daylight savingS time. I know a lot of people say savingS but that's incorrect. I know you are interested in grammar, etc, so I thought I'd let you know
lefty6584 2 years ago
I'm not an expert at all...but IF it saves energy, then why get all crazy about it? IF it doesn't, speak to that and we can debate it. I personally like having the sun up earlier this time of year.
Scroozin 2 years ago
but that also means the sun goes down earlier
I mean, take your pick, but, whatever you gain on one end you are losing on the other
I say, lets, just pick a time a stick with it
LordVigeous666999 2 years ago
i thought i heard that daylight savings hasn't been changed because people tend to go out and shop longer and spend more when they are exposed to the most amount of sunlight in their day. but i could be wrong.
sheepwshotguns 2 years ago
if anything is we lose energy since all the lights come on a hour earlier
lildread1 2 years ago 2
Are you retarded? That happens now...on standard time. Daylight time was created to help avoid that.
blurglide 2 years ago
US Government droped nuclear bombs on innocent people of Japan. US government forced young Americans to go into Vietnam, killing their lives and lives of Vietnamese. US interned innocent Japanese into camps during WW2.
If this is not "bad" then you are a retard.
The greatest evils that have been committed have been committed by states not be individuals.
ArtinEmil 2 years ago
Let's me own your ass with a history lesson.
Japan had many times killeds 100,000s if not millions of Chinese during WW2. They did horrible things to prisoners, they were the first to engineer and use biological weapons which farther killed 100,000s.
Yawn, owned.
Also using your logic the free market is even worst. How many times have industrial companies in other countries cause the deaths of 1000s and birth defects to skyrocket, etc?
Retard.
mecher3k 2 years ago
Genghis Khan used biological warfare before the Japanese, and the white Americans used smallpox as a genocidal tool against the indians long before WWII
saucylad 2 years ago
Learn what this "they were the first to engineer and use"
Engineering biological weapons was not possible back then, they didn't even know about germs. Learn to read.
mecher3k 2 years ago
Your argument does not work. You do not realize this because of your collectivist mindset. Japan attacked us. It DOES NOT mean it is justified to drop nuclear weapons on innocent Japanese civilians who had nothing to do with this incident. Of course, you think like a collectivist and thinks that everyone who is Japanese is required to suffer.
About the free market. Watched Penn's video on the free market. One cannot harm people in a free market. So what you said also fails.
ArtinEmil 2 years ago
Yeah America doesn't like to get rid of laws, cuz we don't like to admit that we fucked up. haha
ForFun808 2 years ago
@ForFun808 you may have just discovered the driving force behind ratchet theory!
pennsays 2 years ago
So true, so they can "interpret" it differently =P.
I also threw in a joke about Daylight Savings time in my 2012 video which was featured on CNN and other news shows.
"I got 14 hours left to the world ends here... no wait only 13 hours because we just switched over to daylight savings time, FUCK!"
ForFun808 2 years ago
Also, your guys show about the 2012 BULLSHIT inspired me to make my video :-)
ForFun808 2 years ago
What's up ForFun808! You're videos are awesome! and I totally agree 2012 is a bunch of bullshit!
mtndewman052 2 years ago
i kinda of like t cause it's easier to get up at 6 when it's brighter out. But yeah, it's kind of annoying that it gets darker earlier.
TeaChanPunker 2 years ago
It's "daylight saving time." There's no second S in "saving."
TomConger 2 years ago
I would make daylight savings time the standard. I hate when it gets dark out at 5pm.
IceDrake523 2 years ago 2
Timekeeping is arbitrary anyway. It's like complaining about the defined dimensions of an inch or a meter.
I take the point that laws are difficult to ratchet back, but I think we have a host of anachronistic laws that better demonstrate the idea.
captaincracklins 2 years ago
I can think of a thousand other things to get on a soapbox about when it comes to big govt. DST is not one of them. It was standardized not because of the govt, but because people liked it. This was not a great Penn Says.
mlodge87 2 years ago
"If you don't like it, unsubscribe."
If you don't like my comment why bother replying to it? Own libertard.
mecher3k 2 years ago
Daylight time is what we were on BEFORE. Now we're on standard time. I HATE being on standard time, and so does everyone else who likes to do anything outside after work. It's also a waste to have the sun come up at 4 in the morning in the summer when everyone is asleep. If we could culturally change to do everything an hour earlier that'd be fine. But we can't. So, I LOVE Daylight Saving Time.
blurglide 2 years ago
Why does everyone complain about Daylight savings time in the fall when it ends?
KarateKidX 2 years ago 3
@KarateKidX Because you lose an hour of sleep
BlasphemyMartyr 2 years ago
Actually you gain an hour sleep when you move the clock back an hour.
Globalpack 2 years ago 3
@Globalpack Yes, but you lose an hour of sleep when they do it in the Spring.
kittyprydekissme 2 years ago
I hate the idea of DST because in effect, what you're doing is banking an hour of sleep in April and getting it back in November with no interest. It's probably the dumbest idea politicians have ever come up with, and that's saying something. As for the idea that DST saves money, DST does nothing that couldn't be accomplished by people simply getting up, going to work, coming home, and going to bed an hour earlier ON THEIR OWN. I'm a bleeding-heart lib, but man, I hate social engineering!
nashmj 2 years ago
I agree with Penn's deeper concern (the danger of temporary 'special' legislation),but DST is such a minor issue. It may be largely ineffective, but it's hardly a terrible imposition on people and surely doesn't rise to the level of the loss of freedom we've endured from the patriot act. DST isn't social engineering. Essentially social engineering is commonly used as slang to refer to an individual act of manipulation or fraud and I don't believe this meets that level of accusaction.
broadjumper1 2 years ago
" I'm a bleeding-heart lib, but man, I hate social engineering! "
No nash, you a bleeding-heart retard. DST is social engineering? LOL!!!!
mecher3k 2 years ago
No, mecher, I'm not a "retard," you're just a semiliterate imbecile who isn't mature enough to participate in an adult conversation. Please do the gene pool a favor, and kill or castrate yourself.
nashmj 2 years ago
i hate daylight savings time too!
86COLE 2 years ago
اI actually don't think it's a bad idea (DST).x
And, the reason DST sticks around I think is because it has been ingrained in us that it is a good idea, and also, that it's (more or less) benign.x
I wouldn't say this applies to all laws since many laws are not benign.x
I haven't really looked into it.x
I hear it does save a lot in lighting.x
But anyways, how about we just move the clock 30 minutes instead, forever?x
jinitron 2 years ago
Hawaii doesn't do daylight savings time. And my friend that is Hawaiian she told me why do you do it what's the point? And I told her we don't know we just do it because we have to lol I know the point of it don't reply to me with the point.
Goobian 2 years ago
100% agree
fuck daylight savings time
It really doesn't effect me so im not so passionate as him, but fuck it still
JIMITAPP 2 years ago
yeah @JIMITAPP eff DST in the neck!
pennsays 2 years ago
Hate tt tell you..... Benjamin Franklin conceived of the idea of Daylight Savings Time.
korleonis 2 years ago
Sure Arizona doesn't have DST, but is still just as much of a bitch to deal with because of the other states.
Sammonoske 2 years ago
but you can always fall back on the heart attack grill!
pennsays 2 years ago
meh.
i gained one hour in the studio (cause our studio normally closes at 4am) so i dont mind it. ya of course I lose it later but i need that extra hour that weekend.
sure what you said was true but there are bigger things to discuss or even make videos over.
dragade101 2 years ago
AZ and part of ID....eeerrr
rdloorz 2 years ago
Ben Franklin came up with the concept, not Woodrow Wilson.
selleckman2 2 years ago
Yes, and it was probably Ben Franklin's only bad invention of the tens of things he invented.
I am disappointed yet not shocked that [libertarian] Penn doesn't admit that DTS is yet another case of the government actually being a bitch to corporations. Politicians almost outright say that they have retained it because corporate data indicates that eliminating it would cause businesses to lose billions in profit.
Idi0cracy 2 years ago
I hate DST when we move an hour ahead. But, I love it when we move an hour behind.
Cause, now, we have nighttime for longer! :)
Jurassicprince 2 years ago
I hate daylights savings, it doesnt save daylight, it gets dark at 5 fucking PM!
AkKid907 2 years ago
Um... that's after Daylight saving has ended.. That you recognise you have less daylight after daylight saving ends must mean you also know that you have more daylight when daylight saving starts in the spring and through the summer...
SirMildredPierce 2 years ago
the clock does not affect the amount of daylight, when you get up does.
If part of the year everyone wants to go to work earlier, just do it.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
"the clock does not affect the amount of daylight, when you get up does."
Exactly, and the reason we have daylight saving is so that we get that extra bit of sunlight in the evening during the summer months, which would normally be in the morning before most people have gotten up.
SirMildredPierce 2 years ago
the way you word that was as if time moved to the evening... what really happens is everyone gets up earlier.
Why not just get up earlier, and admit that.
I don't get why it's supposedly easier to change all the clocks rather than just change the work hours seasonally.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
i do think it is stupid though
Dragon86spy 2 years ago