Bach - Bwv1067 Orchestral Suite - 01 - Ouverture

[louloute77470]

very good

[bachFun1]

this one is a bit boring - compared to (look for "sarig sela bach overture")

[MusicAtBusiness]

couldn't agree more

[zerohundredthhour]

What a wonderful and authentic texture in this interpretation. JSB is the opitome of what I call "Organized Chaos" Notes everywhere but at the same time right where they need to be.

[cutehearts]

bach's pieces r ever so distinguishable and as beautiful as ever

[Guangxi56]

To love Bach's music is not necessary to be one expert. I can't read any notes but I really LOVE Bach and some pieces can do me to cry.

[2880aham]

Can anyone tell me if that is a younger Wilbert Hazelzet playing traverso?

[rustydog1236]

@2880aham Yup, that's Hazelzet alright!

[Moonawrathic]

Bach is certainly one of my favorite composers, but I just never can seem to like the harpsichord. I understand that's the way it was written, in a time before there was a piano, but seriously, I prefer the piano.

[nakedBison69]

i do not like the harpsichord, cello, or any percussion instruments

[nikbran]

best music of my life!

and look at them! Ton conduct witgh his head!

[jarlaxleforever]

Haha oh I see, part one of BWV 1067. Pardon me :P!

[jarlaxleforever]

If I'm not mistaken, I'm positive that this is Bach's Orchestral Suite #2, not #1 as it seems to be mislabelled.

[Sylvain894]

The double bass, or cello(?)in the middle looks pretty unusual, or is it just older than modern instrument, cause i saw pre-1800 models of double basses, can anyone tell me ?

[juslopezma]

is the guy on second violin Andrew Manze???

[AML2000]

@juslopezma No one answered you yet so I will -- yes, that's Andrew Manze on the second violin. Everyone starts out somewhere!

[Samoriah]

This "orchestra" is pretty casual.

[alecto9322]

is a baroque orchestra

is not casual

[gr0mithtimon]

@Samoriah

Nah. Thats what orchestras looked like before the romantics.

[metsoforte]

The guy playing the harpsichord has clearly been to his fair share of metallica and ozzy shows

[tomsyou]

It`s My favorit

[Natashenka91]

amazing!! thank you whoever posted this...

[Kan2209]

Can you make a playlist of these recordings?

[Filadelfiagemeente]

@Kan2209

Yes, I already did...

[andreavezzoli]

It's very interesting recording

[flutist826]

Wonderful recording!

[paradoxicus]

¡Bárbaro!.Koopman,sentado al teclado y los seis músicos alrederor creando belleza,en un concepto enteramente barroco.Reproduciendo el momento único e irrepetible de la lectura intensa e inmensa de JSB.

[bersa888]

I love how Bach's music always seems to silence all of these comments - no matter how right or wrong they might be. For the "experts" out there: don't boast your knowledge, it may push away new Bach's lovers. For the "beginners" out there: a true knowledge and understanding of Bach's music takes years. Youtube could be a formidable medium for learning about anything new. It's up to the "expert" not to sound like blabbering asses when "imparting their knowledge and blessings" on the newcomers...

[eolodiAquila]

Calma please!!! i find this recording extremly intense but really not warm, and for my taste is boring after 5 minutes....

SO where is the medium if you don't realize that the only medium in music is only yourself!

ciao

[nakedBison69]

putting "experts," "beginners," and "imparting their knowledge and blessings" in "quotes" adds absolutely "nothing" to bersa888's "arguments" or lack of them

[bersa888]

@nakedBison69 : I forgot why and when I wrote the above comment. My question though is: what is your "argument"? ;-)

[nakedBison69]

putting "argument" in "quotes" adds absolutely "nothing" to forgetful bersa888's "arguments" or lack of them

[bersa888]

@nakedBison69 : :-))))

[JawsRequin25]

Nice orchestra, they play very well.

[Stevenewfan]

A complex piece , but, beautyfuly done.

[sormu16]

Dammit, they are good.

[Louison86240]

I play this Suite for my music exam!

It's so hard but I hope I'll get a great mark!

[spinoza1111]

"I would like to go to college and study, but I would not study music appreciation. I already like music."

- Yogi Berra

[stargirlsusan]

@spinoza1111 lol, i took that in highschool just because i needed credits, and had i not i would have never known what my greatest passion is.

[spinoza1111]

Based on what you said, skyline man, I'm going to go to a modern music YouTube to see if there are any cute girls.

[spinoza1111]

OK. It seems that based on what the Broccoli Man has posted, I'd passed on a folkish legend that Fred the Great was the patron of this suite-concerto. However, he needs to read Adorno on rescuing Bach from his devotees, and fart in a bottle and paint it, after eating a fart sandwich.

[spinoza1111]

A sort of literal mindedness reduces everything to tautology. I didn't say that this "was" a concerto. I said it has elements of concerto, and I hazarded that this was to provide a part for Great Fred. But I may have been wrong about the last factoid.

However, part of the brutalization and the moronization of the putatively learned, esp. those learned in "classical music", is their instilled inability to interpret, and oversubscription to an inappropriately excluded middle.

[wcbroccoli]

You said, "Perhaps Bach did not intend this to be a 'concerto for flute and orchestra'".

You did NOT say this "has elements of a concerto.

No autograph of this suite survives. Based on style alone, it dates from the Coethen period (1717-1723). Copies of the score parts - perhaps for the public concerts of the Collegium Musicum - date from 1738/39. Bach didn't meet Frederick until 1747.

Please provide references for your claims.

PS: No Wikipedia.

[wcbroccoli]

And as you amply demonstrate, a lack of any substantial rebuttal manifests in defensive posturing and pretentious gibberish

[tasha122277]

just quit with all the sardonic tomfoolery and tell him to go eat a fart sandwich!

[spinoza1111]

That you start this indicates that your personality has been stunted by "education". You come in here and rather than advancing an interpretation, a point of view, or a poem which helps us to appreciate the beauty of the music, you show off without references.

No wonder people prefer rock and roll. They don't have to talk to people like you!

Eat a fart sandwich.

[n14e5o15]

A case of the pot calling the kettle black?

[spinoza1111]

No, it's two guys who can write and think, one of whom is a bit of a pedant but has studied more than I ... to the extent that he has no real ability to listen and interpret.

Both the Broccoli-man and I are a refreshing change of pace from the usual Kyles, Kennies, and Cartmans who post here. He needs to fart in a bottle and paint it, but he's raised a valid point.

[skyline44512]

ain't be no pedants 'round my neck of the woods. I like classical music videos on here, people who comment actually have some intellectual prowess.

[spinoza1111]

That is true. Classical music will attract a better class of people. Guy walks into a bar, and the TV is playing a video of Olivier Messaien's The End of Time, guy's going to be unusual if he stays.

So...Bach walks into a bar, humming a fugue subject and whistling the counter-subject inna two part invention. Bartender says, funny, never saw a guy could do that.

Bach says, oh yeah? S'easy. But at these prices, dis gonna be the last time. I'll have a shot, a beer, and a fart sandwich to go.

[margyoseven]

I love the authentic setting, and that beautiful harpsichord is a truly magnificent instrument! [I do find the conductor's head movements a little disturbing... but it must be a real challenge to conduct just with your head...]

[spinoza1111]

I think the flute is "too quiet" because it's a Baroque transverse flute made of wood. Perhaps Bach did not intend this to be a "concerto for flute and orchestra". Perhaps he intended this to be "an orchestra piece with a strong flute role so my good buddy Frederick the Great could play".

[wcbroccoli]

This NOT a concerto for flute and orchestra.

It's a suite of dances for flute and strings.

This piece has nothing to do with Frederick the Great, who was only a child when it was written.

Bach never worked for Frederick. The only thing he wrote for his was the Musical Offering, and it was not commissioned; he was just showing off.

[spinoza1111]

Thanks for clearing everything up, Mr. Broccoli. However, could we have some references?

PS: No wikipedia.

[spinoza1111]

Oops, you messed up. You wanted to post "try" but you imply that you are "trying to". I do find you very trying indeed, and viewing the suite as a suite-concerto is a better way of listening that your pedantry.

And where are our references? Remember, no wikipedia!

[wcbroccoli]

Try reading the score and Bach Dokumente and a little history.

[debartzen]

Claro,así se puede.El bajo-conductor es Ton Koopman.¡Maravillosa versión!

[firebreathone2]

splendid

[Rubinstein007]

i heard this live in a church. wonderful!

[flamencoscar8]

es un mounstruo, es un matematico de clase es impresionante bach es el maestro!!!!

[themagicalchemist]

no es matematico, bueno si lo ves por intervalos, puede ser, pero todo son reglas de armonia tradicional, facilonas, o tambien puedes verlo con contrapunto, yo creo que en esta fue primero la armonia que el contrapunto, si te gusta el jazz conoceras la cadencia 2 5 1, en badinerie ya la analize y solo hace 2 5 1, no es que sea muy cabron, si no que, tiene la sensibilidad de un dios,

[andipipo]

Pues si analiza el movimiento mas corto, y ademas final facilon: analice la overtura o la fuga y despues hablamos de 2 5 1. Y el jazz hace si acaso 1 5 4 1 con acordes complementarios en el 5 o 4, tampoco es gran cosa. Analice el arte de la fuga, la fuga do menor de Mozart, o la gran fuga de Beethoven, si pasa los primeros 16 compases... lo felicito ha aprendido algo de armonia.

[themagicalchemist]

no entendi, al final fue sarcasmo?, ademas el jazz no es que sea 1541 al final es 2 5 1, pero lo que haces es sustituto de acordes , para eso existe el intercambio modal, bueno eso existe desde el clasico, en realidad lo que cambia es el movimiento de las voces, en tradicional hay reglas en contemporanea no, y analizar no es dificil, menos clasico, lo impresionante de analizar es la belleza de llo sencillo, gracias por responder

[NorbertZF]

The performance is NOT boring, NOT dry and academic, NOT overly flamboyant, but well thought out and done under Herr Koopman's guidance. I ONLY questioned the reasoning behind "one to a part" and some of you want my head on a platter. Artistic expression IS NOT about one person's dogma over another. After all, art IS in the end interpretive and not a "religious/political fanaticism". Western civilization is declining fast enough without all of us backbiting each other. SOLI DEO GLORIA.

[BugzLooney]

Don't be jealous cuz he knows how to be old and live life to such a joy. Don't be jealous because he is so emotional and reactive to his work. Don't be jealous that he is not over thinking, and just living in the moment. Because you can do it too.

[BugzLooney]

Indeed, and I have to restate the comment that this is not boring. Everyone has something to say about it it seems...so just open your eyes and realized that if you came all the way to make a comment, you were obviously not bored....or you would have just exited the page.

[NorbertZF]

The problem is that they're playing just one to a part. I really don't understand the justification for that. Bach wrote down himself what the ideal is for the number of instruments so why settle for one to a part? That's why the harpsichord may seem too loud in this performance.

[BugzLooney]

Why even think for 2 seconds about that? They tried, and they did it. Give them credit for their work. Only people who WANT to say something will say something about this...it's ridiculous. I am POSITIVE they could have found people, they are doing it on purpose for a reason. People like to try things out, and they find it fun. So just leave em alone if you wanna talk about how many people they used..chill out.

[HARMONICO101]

It's excellant that one can actually hear the harpsichord in this, as opposed to all those god-awful romantic style recordings completely devoid of any character with the rest of the oversized orchestra smothering the sound of the harpsichord.

[HARMONICO101]

Bach did not write anything down about that in regards to the orchestral suites. As with most of Bach's secular instrumental works, it is more than likely that these pieces were performed one to a part. ESPECIALLY with the solo flauto traverso in this particular suite.

[wcbroccoli]

One-to-a-part is only a problem for you.

The memo Bach wrote to the Leipzig council concerned the forces needed to perform concerted church music *in the Leipzig churches*, which has nothing to do with the forces he needed to perform chamber music he composed for specific ensembles at the Coethen court.

You're argument why the harpsichord "may seem to lound" is nonsense.

What about his sonatas for harpsichord and ONE violin? By your argument he should have used at least 2 violins!!!

[wcbroccoli]

Actually, the cello, the violone and left hand of the harpsichord are all playing the same line or doubling it at the lower 8ve.

[coyote20010]

Excellent performance, one of the best in French style.

[BSA2417666]

Hapsicord too loud. The allegro is very well done!

[adaswet]

i disagree. The harpsichord (german model here) is playing at just the right intensity to be heard clearly. We just got used to all those recordings where the harpsichord just tinkles annoingly and confusely like a tin can.

[kageotaku]

Agreed. I am always annoyed when the harpsichord is all-but-inaudible, especially in Bach's music.

[MotorolaSurfer]

i know what you mean - if i can't hear the harpsichord i want to just beat the conductor to death with a violin

[wcbroccoli]

Do you know the meaning of "basso continuo"?

The harpsichord part is not an obbligato part.

Apart, from figure bass notation, Bach did not compose the harpsichord part you hearing.

The left hand merely doubles the bass line and the right hand improvises a more-or-less chordal accompaniment

from figures.

[pjps1234]

I also disagree. Koopman is in my opinion the best on Bach (ORGAN, ORCHESTRA, CHOIR, CHAMBER MUSIC et alium), and he knows vvery well what is the ideal sound effect an itensity.

[wcbroccoli]

Perhaps you don't realize that the left hand part of the harpsichord is merely doubling the bass line played by the cello and violone.

[Rik77]

It's a great performance, but the continuo is a little march-like for me. Koopman attacks the harpsichord and drowns the flautist. Excellent musicians though. :)

[flutejansson]

Is this boring? No chance. This group plays with such spirit and feeling so it is no way boring at all.

[violashizzle]

I think the Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra must have a manifesto that states that their goal is to bore their already aging audience to death!

[rustydog1236]

Is that Frederick the Great's music room at San Souci? The chandelier looks familiar, but I've never been there... VERY nice, BTW.

[shaind]

well the tempo should be "Grave-Allegro" but this one seems a little bit fast at the Beginning.

[onionpizza]

The BWV is correct but the suite number is 2. As usual Koopman marches ahead too fast making Bach sound like a diesel locomotive instead of bringing up the most delicate nuances and the most divine baroque music ever written. As usual he keeps jumping agitated like an over-caffeinated baboon distracting the audience with his antics.

[shaind]

well of course suite number is 2, but the number "1" in video title seems to indicate the first part(overture) of the suite

[wallacearton]

Your comments are ironic but conceptually I think you are absolutely right. All genial details are lost.

Regarding the flutist, his sound is sooo weak, even for a baroque flute...

[Tazeruk]

Yes, I agree !

[wcbroccoli]

Get the notion out of your heads that this some kind of flute concerto!

Much of the time the flute and 1st violins

are playing the same notes!

Or else the 1st violins are reinforcing the flute by playing a simplified version of the flute line.

[jumpoffmountaineers]

the above comment is correct, but its also a problem of capturing the acoustics

[Imcellist]

Amazing...

[DiegoHCantor]

Felicitaciones para el flautista, excelente control.

[silla20]

ke bien

[lapaglia10]

Awesome! One of my favorite orchestral works. great recording

[covallini]

Its a shame the sound looks like acoustic, not microphoned individually. I get lost on violins and viola sound... but still yet a great recording ang playing!

[fhesi3]

Amazing! Great performance! Very authentic. Are the cello and bass using gut strings?

[anhvuti981]

they are using gut strings (all of them) and using baroque bows and cellos are fitted without an endpin making everything as authentic as possible

[Adrianoci]

Felicitaciones, todos tienen la misma tecnica de arco...maravilloso!!!