Tony Williams up-tempo ride

[metalcore929]

So awesome. 

[wmakiling805]

Tony was a freak! Love this guy!

[goshaix4]

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YES!

[Beatpoet19]

Since I know some of you guys are talking about cymbals, I see it as pure sacriledge that Lenny White broke the "Nefertiti ride". I'm sorry but you don't take somethink like that and play the heck out of it. I'm hopeful that Zildjian will one day mass produce a replica of it., unless someone can recommend a current model that comes fairly close. Thanks.

[lenniethedogsparty]

@Beatpoet19 I'm interested in what you say about Lenny White breaking the Nefertiti ride, but have been unable to find any corroboration of this: where did you get your information?

[Beatpoet19]

@lenniethedogsparty: I'm pretty sure I read that on Modern Drummer. I can't remember what Issue it was because he was not on the cover and MD's website isn't showing back issues. He was featured when RTF reunited again. Maybe it was 08 or 09. If I do come across the issue I can let you know which one it is..

[lenniethedogsparty]

@Beatpoet19 Thanks.

[NerfLad]

@lenniethedogsparty Search the cymbalholic forums. There's been much discussion on that ride there.

[lenniethedogsparty]

@NerfLad Thank you.

[partyscrotum]

@martinlentini Check out the Dream 20" Crash/Rides. They're a smaller, less-known company so they're extremely affordable. They sound great for jazz as they have a light airy sound on the broad side and they're perfect for getting that washy crash sound for accents on the shoulder

[sonsoflegends]

@sebco77 Miles wanted to get Jimmy Hendrix in his band and though both dug him musically Miles always wanted to be on that "rock band", level from a marketing and financial sense. Miles also wanted to play arenas and bring his music to a whole different audience. My point to Asymmatrix is TW's "training" on the drums lends itself to his teachers and people he said he emulated (Alan Dawson, Roy Haynes, etc.) none of whom are rock drummers. That doesn't mean TW didn't like rock music.

[sonsoflegends]

3 months ago @Asymmatrix "elements of a rock drummer"? Your kidding right! Any of the drummer TW listened to or learned from was not a rock drummer is any sense of the word.

[SebCo77]

@sonsoflegends :

'In 1965, he had a great idea. "Miles," he said. "Why don't we open for the Beatles?" Miles said something like "What??!!" Williams had a Beatles poster on his wall.'

from: "TONY WILLIAMS: Finding His Beautiful Vase" by Mike Zwerin

[mrjdrummerc1]

@SebCo77 Tony Williams was influenced by the early jazz players then when rock became popular or came up he was influenced by the rock drummers which themselves were influenced by him....

[DarthKazi]

@sonsoflegends After Miles, Tony got into Cream and Zeppelin. He got a 24" kick and played some very "Bonham-esque" grooves on the Holdsworth Lifetime records. Influence is abounds. Bonham was also influenced by Tony. Imagine that!

[martinlentini]

I read on a book from Wynton Marsalis: Jazz: how music can change your life...in some part he describes that Tony Williams`s dind`t have too much swing, and used these new techniques to compensate... I don´t know, he`s pretty amazing for the style. I insist... DOES ANYWONE KNOW WHAT RIDE IS HE USING?

[SebCo77]

@martinlentini TW could swing his ass off when he wanted to! Just check the slower tunes of these Miles clips. On faster tunes, he did often have an aggressive push that feels different from his predecessors.

Re: cymbal - on this tour he used rental equipment, not his own drums and cymbals. In the studio he used a medium 22" Istanbul K.Zildjian, in this clip it could be anything - whatever it is, it's too washy for his playing style! Also, check out the broken stick on the left. Wonder why.

[Helslinky]

@SebCo77 I think it's a brush he has in his left hand, isn't it?

[MusicLessonsComp]

@martinlentini

Wynton is definitely one of the all-time great Jazz musicians, but his ego got so inflated during the past two decades by the bastard critics that he talked too much and wrote a lot of trash about so many Jazz greats.

In an admirable act of maturity, I've read recent interviews where he even apologizes to a few people about it.

[sweetfly66]

@martinlentini ... as if Miles is going to fall in musical love with a drummer that doesnt have " to much swing " ... give me a fucking break

[martinlentini]

@sweetfly66 ... I really like Tony, and I think he has a lot of swing...but a different kind of swing, like Gadd, he interpretates. I`m just saying what Marsalis said on a book: that "he descovered techniques that compensated his lack of swing" with that patterns on ride...what I read between that lines is not that he didn`t have swing, he had a lot, in fact. further, in the same book it says that he listened to all drummers just not to copy them.

[playswithpassion]

@martinlentini Wynton is great and all that, but some of the things that man says are fucking ridiculous...

[PositivelyBored]

Simply put, to me, Tony is one of the drumming Gods us mortals look to for inspiration and guidance. He still lives on...

[Merkaba4203]

The bass drum & ride syncopation is just phenomenal.

[PositivelyBored]

@Merkaba4203

The bass and snare interplay/ independence is where this type of drumming really stands out to me. rf/lh independence all the way.

[tehmarzvotla]

Effortless.

[rushour144]

HAHAHAHAHA love that comment!! Soooo true! Man but did you see when Shorter wasn't there, how effortless Tony made it seem? Man is beyond words!

[luisbarzola]

es imposible!!!

[HippieDrummer06]

@Brskaylor haha. agreed.

[Jordainio]

Hihat on all 4s! The best.

[ilikedrumming]

he's an animal

[srm5436]

when most drummers use this kind of technique it ends up sounding too weak and bouncy. what's amazing about tony is how he can do it and still use so much wrist, he really lays into that ride

[Asymmatrix]

He pretty much always had elements of a rock player if you think about it.

[Kitschead]

@Asymmatrix playing vigorously doesn't = playing in a rock style. I don't think this is like rock at all.

[rebusd]

@srm5436 Good observation, srm. IMHO, when it comes to Tony, it's his attentiveness to Ron that adds cohesion to the mix, in addition to his own personal authority as it pertains to the pulse. Even an arguably weak corpsman like Haynes uses those skills to magnify his own strength (musicality).

[eloyhbermudez]

tonys plaiyng on ginger bread boy is awesome!!!

[kabasak]

thats not what I have in my mind when I hear "up tempo".Basically thats slow.

[SebCo77]

Well then, call it medium-up. Quarter note 270 isn't slow, though.

For a faster tempo, watch the Walkin' clip from the same concert - the view on TW made me choose this clip. Btw, that Walkin' clip is around 320. Still not the fastest ever, but who cares? It's the energy that makes those clips extraordinary.

[iamlameduck]

Hahahaha. Go listen to some double bass drum beats. I'll stick with Tony.

[scoota111]

Sounds up tempto to me.

[SlikkTim]

interesting how he plays it from a very low angle

[anthrax1218]

WAYNE SHORTER!!!! MOVE!!!

[draculafishman]

lol

[rillloudmother]

@anthrax1218 lol, i was just thinking that

[ilikedrumming]

HOLY CRAP

[XxDEFLESHEDxX]

Hey Wayne, MOVE! i cant see Tony!

[XxDEFLESHEDxX]

Tonys ride to be more precise

[johnneedslove]

ck that flow from 35 to 45 secs peaks with those crisp ass flams and then sits in tension for a sec or two and releases. yummy

[johnneedslove]

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some shit. it's like a fucking freight train base to toss stuff on top of, underneath. ill style he brought out. it's so unhinderd...

[leheme]

Wow!!! This fingers are amazing!!!! ding ga ding ding ding Ding ga ding!!!! perfect!!!

[SebCo77]

See "Related" column for slo-mo version of this vid, or search youtube for T5pT9200HPs .

[SebCo77]

Here's a complete version of that tune:

youtube dot com /watch?v=QNvuwtil4PU

[DetNosnip]

Sick.

[fuckingbonechilling]

Nevermind, he was 21.  Whatever.

[Nuxunumo]

thats still young as shit. haha.

[fuckingbonechilling]

So Tony was like what.. SEVENTEEN when this video was made? Sweet merciful crap, what a musician.

[romanoskar]

More like 22, but still... insanity.

[kml11]

good lord...Tony is the man.  Such power.

[willV]

Tony Williams IS the ride cymbal! (or even WAS)

[ShowsOn]

That is just mental. has anyone else used such an agressive ride cynmbal technique?