2:15 is a life time in combat, army really needs a new program, turn off UFC and find something practical, put the troops in their full gear and roll around in the dirt and rocks that will change everything.
I just did basic introduction to MACP yesterday. Of course I don't have the level of understanding that they do, but I would have tried to blood choke him as soon as I was on the ground.
@Uzaho2 I don't mean to shoot anyones comments but the chances of you simply pulling out a blood choke on anyone certified for level 3 combatives is very slim.
For all those who say fights don't go to the ground we are taught to take it to Close the distance, Gain Dominate Position(Slam his ass Dominate on the Ground), Finish the Fight(Break the fuckers arm,neck,leg,ankle,Wrist,Choke him to unconsciousness) And yes it does work in combat I've seen it... And i've fucked a few guys up in a bar who tried to fight me...
I love the guys watching and giving the most useless instructions to help their buddy. lol "body, body, head" from back mount. And of course "arm bar" from half guard.
I would like to know to grapple with full gear, someone with a knife, and in a situation where I do not have the energy to grapple. Its war, not a sport. This, MMA, is only play. A means to feel a simulation of a struggle, even though grappling with a knife culture is entirely impractical. I would stay steady with the raw martial art that mma watered down and made a sport of. Teaching soldiers, to play grapple as real is dangerous and a waste of time.
This is combaives Probably Kunsan airbase, Daegu: campwalker, henry, or george.
I lived their and y dad is reallygood at combatives he'in the army i won't tell you his name and this stuff is the real **** this is FOR HAND TO HAND COMBAT IN A WARZONE IT IS A LOW LEVEL OF COMBATIVE...
At 56 seconds the guy on top was riding way 2 high. If he would have just gotten lower on the guy he coulda rode him into the ground.. Then pound this shit out of him. Simple wrestling
To let who know? 1.) Federal Troops can't be used to "disarm american citezens" because it's illegal. 2.) If it came to that we're not going to play games with people that think they can fight/shoot/etc.. 3.) Nobody gives a fuck what you think.
Go practice picking up teeth and then start a fight with a scout. When he's done with you you'll know what to do.
People need to understand that our military is not trying to train us to be some top level fighter. Or do some hollywood rambo shit. But to learn enoph to survive! i don't need to know some crazy ancient MA secret, if i know that a punch/kick to the face or a knee to the balls work! Besides even with my martial arts background i still wouldn't want to fight H2H in combat if theres a rock/brick/stick ima pick that bitch up and use it!lol
yah true and remember martial arts is kind of a shitty translation meaning military arts, which back in the old japanese feudal days encompassed everything military, swords, spears, BOMBS....so these jackasses thinking they are better martial artists than a soldier because they tap people out in a tournament are missing the ENTIRE point. nevertheless, respect to BJJ haha.
@mrcheeto1006 so far all the media on this makes it look weak. my buddy who got back from serving and got level 3 showed me what he learned, it was very basic grappeling and shoot boxing. This stuff is crap, heres an analogy, if combatives was cigarettes they'd be capri ultralight menthol, mma is camel wides with the filter ripped off
@Berghammervoll you would be surprised. The last bayonet charge was in 2007 in Afghanistan and helicopters and other vehicles sometimes break down or are not available. You never know when you might need to go hand to hand. We try to kill more terrorists than civilians, but unfortunately the terrorists main survival technique is to make it hard to tell the difference, so we do our best.
@Berghammervoll "Yeah, US army needs to know how to fist fight when they sit in their helicopters shooting civilians / terrorists." Right because you know we tell our soldiers to purposely kill civilians because us evil Americans love nothing more then murdering people. I can see the briefing, "Remember everyone regardless of what happens out there make sure you shoot and kill everyone civilian you see. Now excuse me while I stroke my handlebar mustache while cackling evily to myself.
@mrcheeto1006 practical and simple, I would call that a martial art in itself. Martial art is just studied war form. Any formal war training can be seen as a martial art, if studied on a focused level. Art of war, martial art whats the difference. Yet some are more effective with others in given situations. I entirely agree with you, teach to see opportunities: eyes, handful of dirt, groin rip, what ever.
@mrcheeto1006 Combatives isn't designed for the sole purpose of being a top notch fighter. Its designed to, in a situation where your weapon is for any reason not on you, to defend yourself and control contact until another friendly can assist in the situation or, if need be, contact is eliminated. You believe childhood strikes of a punch, kick, and knee are going to be effective against enemies that have also been trained in there own country's version of a "Combatives" program?
@mrcheeto1006 That's the problem though. They are training us to be MMA fighters. We used to use the LINES combat system, which was built off of Krav Maga and was very very simple. A block, a joint lock, a break, a sweep, and then a kill shot (axe kick to the head of a prone opponent). That system worked, and you trained it until it became second nature (thousands of repetitions).
This MMA nonsense is just that - nonsense. It's a sport, not a combat art.
Ok. So I am thinking of joining the Army. Will I learn combatives just in bct? Or will I learn combatives throughout my service? Does my Army job control weather I can learn combatvies? Or do I get to learn them no matter what my job is? How often do I get to learn combatvies? Thanks.
You will learn level 1 combatives in Basic Combat Training. Depending on your MOS (job) in the military, you may or may not "keep up" with the training. I have a SIGNAL job so most duty stations I've been at only do combatives once a quarter, sometimes less. Combat MOS's I'm sure do it a little more. Level 2 and 3 certification is usually by request of the soldier or recommendation by your NCO.
I am looking into several intelligence MOSs. 35P, 35N, 35G, 35F, ect. So I can request to learn more combatives? How likely will my request me granted? (combatives would be a real perk to joining for me) Thanks.
this video is from korea, plenty of opportunities to do combatives here, in my unit they ask like every 2 months who wants to go to the class, you just volunteer, hell you even can get voluntold in korea, level 2 and 3 are not offered that often and im am sure there are fewer slots, but if you ask enough you can get it
if you get down to the infantry company level in an S2 section you will have a lot of opportunities to take it, just know most combat arms guys love breaking off combat support and hate losing to you. or go to a special ops unit. if you go to an intel unit, they will offer it, but it just wont be the same atmosphere of competitiveness.
Good fight. And all of you idiots who think foreign militaries are better need to get real. Don't think that just because you practice Russian Systema that you have some death touch or you can win fights with your flying bicycle kicks.
The US Army and Marines have the best hand to hand systems in the world. Good practical training with no flash.
Russia Systema is new. Russians use Combat Sambo..rough stuff. It's a violent man's BJJ. An Israeli military Female would rip most American military apart. I am not saying this because of spite, but because it is true. Army Combatives and MCMAP are very watered down. You would have to practice both4 or 5 hours a day to get as good as other countries who are kicking trees all day in the dead of winter.
lol...kicking trees? What a waste of time. You know why? 90 percent of all fights wind up on the ground. You think in a war youre gonna just square off with an enemy soldier and strike him with your hands and feet? No youre gonna wind up wrestling with him to the ground. So yeah go ahead and ruin your legs kicking trees...brilliant.
90% of fights wind up on the ground in sports competitions, not combat. Even a Gracie in a life or death situation is not going to the ground, NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO THE GROUND so another enemy can help stomp you into the ground. And yes kicking banana trees works, or karate's body hardening. I live here in Okinawa, Japan and these guys will break your arm or leg just from blocking your attack, Yes you kick, and your leg breaks on their arm.
"The LAPD study does not show that 90% of fights go to the ground. Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground."....this is what ive found on google. It has a source cited too if youd like ill send it to you.
You know, in combat, it would probably really boil down to a soldiers ability to remain calm and how many battle buddies he has around him. Honestly it seems like the more warfare evolves the less likely you are to see hand to hand combat on the battlefield, other than a person resisting capture or something.
All about who trains the hardest always no matter the style. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Also, I could see LAPD statistics as accurate, but remember they are not trying to kill suspect.
unless you are a certified MACP instructor, you DO NOT teach combatives to the Army. You teach your own form of shadetree craab mcgraw but not combatives. And it consists of a little more than 5 moves. I can tell that you are uneducated on the subject from that statement alone
orateurpneumatikos Icarusdecending82 this is for you two
I love reading comments from people who have no idea what they are talking about. These days our experience is not being brought to the table to back our opinions its GOOGLE. It makes me giggle like a school girl when I hear phrases like "Google said" or "I googled" it. Advice google will tell you anything depending on who's point of view it is from. Since there are millions of people there are millions of statistics.
hmmm....well lets see what else I "googled". " The Battle of Britain was when the German Airforce took on the RAF and lost.", Regarding the first superbowl, "January, 1967. It was following the 1966 season. Packers 35 Chiefs 10.", "Thomas Jefferson April 13, 1743 July 4, 1826"...now these are all FACTS ive found by googling. Or should I not trust it because it was on google? And the police investigation i found on google is legitiment.
You are talking about Points in time that are constant now, guy. No matter how many time you google it, rashad evans lost to lyoto machida. I GET THAT. Now folly me if you can. Statistics are not constant in the google world unless they are being performed by some accredited agency. when you guys are talking obout "google said 90% of fights go to the ground... .. man you can get google to say any thing statisticly speaking
Like I just repsonded to another person. I teach full time, that is my job...5 days a week 7 classes a day, bot Capoeira and MMA.(Judo, jiujitsu, arnis/escrima,submission wrestling). But maybe that means I do not know what I am talking about since I have almost 100of students of all martial arts background, and all levels including fighters (real). and would have probably 300~400 students by now if now one left from this military community.
Hey man I am not taking awy the fact that you teach craw mcgram to all those people. Got it.
I am talking about MACP. Dont talk about it if you dont kow about it. All the questions I asked were questions that you learn in the first level. So if you were familiar with the program you could answer them. But since you are not you couldnt. I am just saying dont fake the funk like you can.
It does not matter if I don't remember how long the courses were, they still don't compare to a regular class. Also, I could just google how long the class times are. Again, Army Combative guys come to me to train. So really don't have to fake the funk, like I said...teaching martial arts is my only job and I have 70+ students, and would have more if people did not PCS.
We learn quick kill strikes, disabling moves, like eye gouging and facial structure breaking. The reason you're not SEEING it here is because it's two soldiers fighting each other.
I am a Combatives Instructor and I know for a fact that every soldier leaves my may knowing that in a real fight, there is no such thing as a submission.
And you would only practice H2H in combat as a last ditch effort. You run out of bullets, lost your knife, and can't swing your weapon like a club.
I have never seen anyone teach quick kill strikes in Army Combatives...and everything a person learns in Army or Marine martial arts program can be learned as a white belt in a regular Judo, Jiujitsu class. That being said, you can still train Army combatives effectively if you train hard, and besides it is better than nothing...though in all the Asian countries, like here in Japan, if an US person even thought about taking on a Japanese "regular" Soldier, or a ROK, or Filipino Soldiers. CRAZY
You haven't "seen?" Are you a certified US Army combatives instructor like myself, or are you just someone who watches UFC and thinks they know what they're talking about?
I've trained with soldiers from Japan, Russia and from Israel. I have a basic overview of their fight system, and I say with confidence that ours is superior.
Could I beat the average Russian, Japanese or ROK soldier and win? Yes. But I also believe one of their instructors could take on the average American soldier and win.
Acutally, when they started certifying combatives instructors I was ETSing from Army. But I was teaching military combatives to Army when they were just starting it. I am a certified Judo, Jiujitsu, Kickboxing, Boxing, Arnis/Escrima and Capoeira teacher here in Japan. I can tell you that everything you learn in combatives both Marine Corps and Army is a regular Jiujitsu/Judo classes white belt training. When I teach combatives to military I teach 4 moves in 5 seconds or too late.
I agree, you can learn these moves in any basic BJJ class, but the thing is that the Army teach you so many extras, like bringing your weight to bear, fish hooking, eye gouging, ear ripping... you were a combatives instructor, you know as well as I do that it's the little things that kill.
The point is, MAC was designed to defeat the universal fight plan (close the distance and swing for the fences).
It's all in the training. A poorly trained Judo student couldn't beat a well trained soldier.
"Army or Marine martial arts program can be learned as a white belt in a regular Judo, Jiujitsu class"
dont lump army and marine systems together they are two diffrent systems that are very diffrent and the statement is untrue.
I dnt remember getting any kind of striking traing from my juijitsu instructor here is some advice stop talking about combatives you have ARMY combatives. You have no idea what you are talking about
That was interesting of you to make so many statements without knowing who I am or what I do for a living. I was in the Army therefore I know what Army Combatives entails, and being that I train a whole bunch of Marines, I know what MCMAP entails. I have a lot of Army and Marine instructors and fighters that come to me to train. I have been teaching Judo, Jiujitsu, Kickboxing, Submission Wrestling, Arnis/Escrima and Capoeira for some time here in Japan to all military forces and Japanese.
what is MCMAP? Do not act like you are assosiated with MACP if you are not. I am pretty familiar with the M. odern A.rmy C.mbatives P.rogram. I also saw all that dancing on your youtube page. I am just sayin dont try to associate yoursel with a program that you have no knowledge of. How many levels of MACP are there? How many hours is each level? What is taught in each level? What is the primary focus of the final level. If you cannot answer you have no business talking about MACP
MCMAP = Marine Corps Martial Arts Program and actually there's is much better than Army Combatives cause they work on a lot more things in there drills. My youtube page has a lot of Capoeira since my main teaching style is Capoeira
I teach 5 days a week 7 classes a day, Capoeira and Yudansha MMA.
I am tlaking abou MACP. I told you not to mix the few. And how do you say one is better when you have already proven that you are severly uneducated on the Army Program
Also all I see on your site is that dancing shit. I see no judo, jiujitsu kali wrestling you know any of the arts that you make contact in. That dancing stuff is good for discipline and conditioning I dunno if i would use it in a real fight.
Then you are not looking hard enough. I just got finished with 4 hours of straight dancing workshops for self-defense - all martial arts are CRAP, without technique and concepts of training, and lots and lots of hours of training...not 40 hour courses, or 120 hour courses. etc etc
I think MCMAP is better than MACP because MACP has all the pad and knife fighting, pugel stick training, and quick kills that these guys are training everyday. MACP is more focused on kickboxing and grappling IMO.
Man! You beat me to it, that's almost the exact same thing I was going to say to you. Just in a more diplomatic way. However, remember everyone is writing their opinions here, so to resort to name calling because of opinions says something about a person.
LOL, after reading your comments i have some answers. The reason they dont learn quick kill methods, is because to be quite honest its all bullshido, none of them work. They are basically learning MMA. There are no quick kill moves, you just have to pray you hit harder and faster.
wow everyone, really. You all make this sound like politics and religion but fail to realize there is no definitive answer, I'm sad to see such self-proclaimed martial artists bashing each other in such immature manners, if you have trained under any master you should have learned discipline and respect for the arts, just because its not your style doesn't mean it is meant to be disrespected nor does it give you reason to utilize your skills for petty reasons, I'm glad I train with none of you.
Style does not matter...it is fighter, warrior, soldier that matters, and how hard they train. Most martial artist just need more repetitions, and to get hit in the mouth a couple of times for real...as Mike Tyson said...Everyone has a plan until they get hit."
Sugar Ray Leonard said "Everyone has a plan til they get hit!" not Thug Tyson. He isn't smart enough to have a philosophy besides money and rape. Style does matter to a point because it inspires discipline...something the youth of today has virtually none of.
Thanks for correcting my misquote. As for the style, yes style matters so you can learn something in a controlled manner leading to mastery. However, when it comes to combat, or competition...its about the person, and in combat where there are no illegal moves...even more so.
No worries...and you are correct about the actual combat. Each person responds differently and in the live situation the only rule is "there are no rules." Do what is necessary to survive.. Sad fact of life but it will do a better job of keeping someone alive. Peace.
The real World has real violence, confidence will not get you out alive... you need competence. I understand people have an invested interest in there training (What "I" Do is good, because "I" do it, and "I" am good) but we have to wake up. Remember the 3rd deg Black belt (over 400 hours of training) disarmed (~3x/ knife) a killer before he killed her (Tae Kwon Do).
Point is: Train in what you love, don't lie to yourself in you limits... I have too many that I know of, Infinite that I don't.
Not sure I get what U are saying. Ground should B taught, and perfected, I agree 2 that. What I fail 2 see is how going 2 the ground with a full kit saves lives Vs. Staying up and crushing the enemys throat & gouging his eyes (both). MIL has less restriction than CIVS I think when it comes 2 destroying another life, thus they should B taught 2 do so. Civilians fight in life/death or for "rank" or social standing. MIL-If the enemy brings U 2 the ground... Kill. CIV-Whatever it takes to get away
A) To explain those terms (probably the most important martial arts concept you will find on youtube): watch?v=AWfK6aqWiNU
B) I don't think you understand the military context that well. If a soldier is H2H with someone it usually means either 1) It is someone you don't want to shoot, blow up, bludgeon, or stab i.e taking a prisoner. 2) It started to close to shoot them in the clinch/ground range.
C) Basic positional strategy is more lethal on the ground than any kind of gouge/throat grab.
Recently during an All Army Combatives tournament a member of the Special Forces took 1st. I've been out for a while and I agree that empty fighting skills are not determined by unit affiliation it's an individual thing. I've trained Sambo and used the techniques with success against Purple belt Brazilian Jujitsu players . But I respect the art and its practioners. I've also competed in sport jujitsu tournaments and took 1st in my division.
Any worth his salt you say? How about Royce Gracie? Oh, shit, that's right. Gokor made him tap out pretty quickly. Also a little guy named Gene Lebell seems to think highly of it. Not that you know anything about what you ranting on about about hey, there others on here with an IQ above room temperature.
Oh, and sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Had some more soldiers to train this morning. You know training, that thing that you are not doing right now.
Hey fuck stick. Let's compare resumes. 7 years in 7th Special Force Group. Combat tours. Black Belt Gracie BJJ, Black Belt Bas Rutten Muay Thai, Black Belt Gokor Sambo, Black Belt Kali, Black Belt Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu, Black Belt Aikijutsu, Black Belt Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut, MACP instructor Hop Gar. and many others. I am an intsructor in other systems as well. I also have world titles under belt. 6869 Fillyaw Road Suite 102, fayetteville, NC. Stop by and see if I really am a couch potato fuck stick.
Listen rookie, when you have the battlefield time and experience of even half mine then you can talk. The Modern Army Grab-ass system is worthless in real combat. I have a school at Bragg. We are certified instructors in it. We also teach programs that will work. Get over your dilusions and wake the fuck up. The systems fully fails to prepare soldiers to fight and win. I never said you wont get knocked down. I said BJJ is worthless in a battlefield. One word, Sambo. Eat a dick.
As a Soldier I say that the problem is not the Army or Marine fighting system.I have trained martial arts since I was 15,I am now 36.I think that the instructors are not up to standard the know the moves.A Soldier or Marine should seek out private instruction; join a boxing or kickboxing gym or MMA club. I say this because I have rolled on the mat with civilian and military instructors.The civilians are better.Seeking extra training will make the Soldier or Marine better instructors.
Yea, thats lvl 3, I was supposed to go to this last class, but I guess you need to be e-5 or higher? Im only a SPC. Michael, they teach you in the earlier lvls that the winner of the fight is one whos buddy shows up first with the gun.
I know what they tell you. It is not what they train you. There are better ways that are actually battlefield tested. MACP is a sport. Not a fighting system. You need to seek outside instruction in order to really be prepared to fight and win when it's not on a mat. Any NCO worth his salt will know this after his first combat deployment. At least you are trying to better yourself which I applaud. Just don't stop digging for the truth. Don't buy the hype of the ignorant masses.
NO Jeet Kune Do. Just learn practical palm strikes, joint breaks, elbows, knees and real groundfighting skills. If you are in a fight and it goes to the ground, DON'T GRAPPLE. Fight. This is not the UFC, IFL, or Pride.
thats why you are probably a silly kid who has never served, never fought in combat, in the service or in the hood, so go to your playground and get beat down
you're right, im a son of a wealthy land owner in Ireland, irish born and bred, fight barefist for fun every Sunday and my life is amazing. I want for nothing. Don't be jealous......(comment war ensue).....heh heh
And when you go home daddy smacks you up until you get him his budweiser, and then you get stay up all night watching gay pron till Sunday whereas you get pimpsmacked around. Btw, your daddy blows all of his money on fat hookers.
oh P.s, we use a fighting technique called "Bata" where i'm from, u fight with the sticks from the nearest tree, enjoy watching ur bastardised krav maga or whatever mixed martial u plundered above (and made a messy job of it too), oh, and im not a child, im 30 heh heh
by the time you go to level 3 you've been doing it for at least a few months. Level 1 is one week long, level 2 is two weeks long, level 3 is four weeks long. It's good stuff.
Gotta love Bjj i love the way army bought out the gracies its why i chose the army over Marines navy and such, cause i believe that Bjj in traditional formal is a superior fighting style to anything else.
It is always great when people that aren't in the military coment on how the military should do things. It does get used in combat...I have met fellow Soldiers that have used it in combat. It can be used to hurt or kill the enemy, but it is most effective in keeping you alive until your buddy can reach you and put a round in the enemy's head, or put his K-bar through him.
You go into a combat zone without your weapon? You are one sad excuse of a solider! Since when would you engage in enemy at arms-length range without either of you carrying a weapon? You get attacked in your bunk by un-armed assailants? Even if they had a knife or explosive devise, this type of MMA would be useless. By your level of thinking, I take it you are a grunt?
marcusorilius is correct, the goal of the combatives program is to teach a proper combative mindset, not to make every soldier a lethal killing machine. if it happens to work in combat, then there's another benefit.
on another note, to anybody bashing this martial arts program; the superior program is the one with superior training methodology, not the program that teaches you ninja death touch or has you break bricks. So far, MMA, Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling,Judo have displayed the right mindset and methodology, so that's why we train them.
llol whoever kept screaming arm bar = idiot :P up until the end he had noposition to pull any arm bar!!! but it was still an entertaining match. The guy who won had contrl the whole fight.
Sad
pedinkus 6 months ago
2:15 is a life time in combat, army really needs a new program, turn off UFC and find something practical, put the troops in their full gear and roll around in the dirt and rocks that will change everything.
snakeeyes007 6 months ago
when all else fails grab ur e-tool lol
cptn0crispy 7 months ago 4
I just did basic introduction to MACP yesterday. Of course I don't have the level of understanding that they do, but I would have tried to blood choke him as soon as I was on the ground.
Uzaho2 9 months ago
@Uzaho2 I don't mean to shoot anyones comments but the chances of you simply pulling out a blood choke on anyone certified for level 3 combatives is very slim.
FINGERxSOFOR 8 months ago
good night! lol
clydegrant84 9 months ago
this would not work without gloves and a semi soft bottom
malhensreturn 10 months ago
Nice!
muaythai4lyf 10 months ago
iam watching pride strikeforce ufc or something ? the russians have systema we should have some more like that.
TheWarriorchamp 11 months ago
nice lil sparrin
Hanau2Crunk 1 year ago
For all those who say fights don't go to the ground we are taught to take it to Close the distance, Gain Dominate Position(Slam his ass Dominate on the Ground), Finish the Fight(Break the fuckers arm,neck,leg,ankle,Wrist,Choke him to unconsciousness) And yes it does work in combat I've seen it... And i've fucked a few guys up in a bar who tried to fight me...
uniform2107 1 year ago
I love the guys watching and giving the most useless instructions to help their buddy. lol "body, body, head" from back mount. And of course "arm bar" from half guard.
Good night!
coolguycode 1 year ago
@coolguycode
HAHAHA, YES
TehPenar 1 year ago
I would like to know to grapple with full gear, someone with a knife, and in a situation where I do not have the energy to grapple. Its war, not a sport. This, MMA, is only play. A means to feel a simulation of a struggle, even though grappling with a knife culture is entirely impractical. I would stay steady with the raw martial art that mma watered down and made a sport of. Teaching soldiers, to play grapple as real is dangerous and a waste of time.
Hsitmuh 1 year ago
@Hsitmuh when a knife is involved, u don't grapple until whoever has the knife doesn't have it in their hand.
LinkedMooMan117117 1 year ago
@LinkedMooMan117117 what happens when they pull a second knife when already down? I carry 4.
Hsitmuh 1 year ago
Camp Humphreys....I was in this class. SSG Camphouse was the Instructor that came out from Fort Benning to help certify us.
steady2341 1 year ago
lol this is like mma meets marines. Just learn mma and shut up, or shoot the bastard
azreal289 1 year ago
man on top should have a rock and smash-man on bottom should be drawing a knife- whitewolf
oldsgtmajusmc 2 years ago
This is combaives Probably Kunsan airbase, Daegu: campwalker, henry, or george.
I lived their and y dad is reallygood at combatives he'in the army i won't tell you his name and this stuff is the real **** this is FOR HAND TO HAND COMBAT IN A WARZONE IT IS A LOW LEVEL OF COMBATIVE...
parkour2sk8 2 years ago
At 56 seconds the guy on top was riding way 2 high. If he would have just gotten lower on the guy he coulda rode him into the ground.. Then pound this shit out of him. Simple wrestling
Shawnwill1210 2 years ago
He was going for an armbar
charliemurphyslaw 2 years ago
@Shawnwill1210 Wrestling is fake btw.. lol
Berghammervoll 1 year ago
lol defendu is gay compared to most fighting
ledbetterp333 2 years ago 2
amen boys!
nkdnate43 2 years ago
Bring some of your glass too. After we thrwo down or whatever, I'd like to pick up one or two.
See you soon.
michaeljwarren 2 years ago
Big words from little man. Instructors Charles Falk and Mark Shopp.
You want to put up. Step up son.
If not, good bye.
michaeljwarren 2 years ago
National guard are only ones allowed to disarm civilians
83Brady83 2 years ago
To let who know? 1.) Federal Troops can't be used to "disarm american citezens" because it's illegal. 2.) If it came to that we're not going to play games with people that think they can fight/shoot/etc.. 3.) Nobody gives a fuck what you think.
Go practice picking up teeth and then start a fight with a scout. When he's done with you you'll know what to do.
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Kojoyify 2 years ago
People need to understand that our military is not trying to train us to be some top level fighter. Or do some hollywood rambo shit. But to learn enoph to survive! i don't need to know some crazy ancient MA secret, if i know that a punch/kick to the face or a knee to the balls work! Besides even with my martial arts background i still wouldn't want to fight H2H in combat if theres a rock/brick/stick ima pick that bitch up and use it!lol
mrcheeto1006 2 years ago 23
lol so frikkin true!
TheFool9008 2 years ago
yah true and remember martial arts is kind of a shitty translation meaning military arts, which back in the old japanese feudal days encompassed everything military, swords, spears, BOMBS....so these jackasses thinking they are better martial artists than a soldier because they tap people out in a tournament are missing the ENTIRE point. nevertheless, respect to BJJ haha.
bxth5 2 years ago
haha nice
unit54321 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 thats real
boutbusiness24 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 so far all the media on this makes it look weak. my buddy who got back from serving and got level 3 showed me what he learned, it was very basic grappeling and shoot boxing. This stuff is crap, heres an analogy, if combatives was cigarettes they'd be capri ultralight menthol, mma is camel wides with the filter ripped off
azreal289 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 lmfao i agree 100% with u
sjq10035 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 Yeah, US army needs to know how to fist fight when they sit in their helicopters shooting civilians / terrorists.
Berghammervoll 1 year ago
@Berghammervoll you would be surprised. The last bayonet charge was in 2007 in Afghanistan and helicopters and other vehicles sometimes break down or are not available. You never know when you might need to go hand to hand. We try to kill more terrorists than civilians, but unfortunately the terrorists main survival technique is to make it hard to tell the difference, so we do our best.
dajokn19 1 year ago
@Berghammervoll Oh look another losing trying to start an online cock contest about whose country us better. Nationalism is dead kid get over it.
USAForLife2057 1 year ago
@USAForLife2057 Did I say anything about my country? Did I say the USA is bad? No!
Berghammervoll 1 year ago
@Berghammervoll "Yeah, US army needs to know how to fist fight when they sit in their helicopters shooting civilians / terrorists." Right because you know we tell our soldiers to purposely kill civilians because us evil Americans love nothing more then murdering people. I can see the briefing, "Remember everyone regardless of what happens out there make sure you shoot and kill everyone civilian you see. Now excuse me while I stroke my handlebar mustache while cackling evily to myself.
USAForLife2057 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 practical and simple, I would call that a martial art in itself. Martial art is just studied war form. Any formal war training can be seen as a martial art, if studied on a focused level. Art of war, martial art whats the difference. Yet some are more effective with others in given situations. I entirely agree with you, teach to see opportunities: eyes, handful of dirt, groin rip, what ever.
Hsitmuh 1 year ago
@mrcheeto1006 Combatives isn't designed for the sole purpose of being a top notch fighter. Its designed to, in a situation where your weapon is for any reason not on you, to defend yourself and control contact until another friendly can assist in the situation or, if need be, contact is eliminated. You believe childhood strikes of a punch, kick, and knee are going to be effective against enemies that have also been trained in there own country's version of a "Combatives" program?
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macchiavelli64 3 months ago
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@mrcheeto1006 That's the problem though. They are training us to be MMA fighters. We used to use the LINES combat system, which was built off of Krav Maga and was very very simple. A block, a joint lock, a break, a sweep, and then a kill shot (axe kick to the head of a prone opponent). That system worked, and you trained it until it became second nature (thousands of repetitions).
This MMA nonsense is just that - nonsense. It's a sport, not a combat art.
macchiavelli64 3 months ago
Ok. So I am thinking of joining the Army. Will I learn combatives just in bct? Or will I learn combatives throughout my service? Does my Army job control weather I can learn combatvies? Or do I get to learn them no matter what my job is? How often do I get to learn combatvies? Thanks.
205whiteboy 3 years ago
You will learn level 1 combatives in Basic Combat Training. Depending on your MOS (job) in the military, you may or may not "keep up" with the training. I have a SIGNAL job so most duty stations I've been at only do combatives once a quarter, sometimes less. Combat MOS's I'm sure do it a little more. Level 2 and 3 certification is usually by request of the soldier or recommendation by your NCO.
RomeoIII 2 years ago
I am looking into several intelligence MOSs. 35P, 35N, 35G, 35F, ect. So I can request to learn more combatives? How likely will my request me granted? (combatives would be a real perk to joining for me) Thanks.
205whiteboy 2 years ago
this video is from korea, plenty of opportunities to do combatives here, in my unit they ask like every 2 months who wants to go to the class, you just volunteer, hell you even can get voluntold in korea, level 2 and 3 are not offered that often and im am sure there are fewer slots, but if you ask enough you can get it
hpdacomtta 2 years ago
if you get down to the infantry company level in an S2 section you will have a lot of opportunities to take it, just know most combat arms guys love breaking off combat support and hate losing to you. or go to a special ops unit. if you go to an intel unit, they will offer it, but it just wont be the same atmosphere of competitiveness.
bxth5 2 years ago
Good fight. And all of you idiots who think foreign militaries are better need to get real. Don't think that just because you practice Russian Systema that you have some death touch or you can win fights with your flying bicycle kicks.
The US Army and Marines have the best hand to hand systems in the world. Good practical training with no flash.
Nightmonkey17 3 years ago 2
Russia Systema is new. Russians use Combat Sambo..rough stuff. It's a violent man's BJJ. An Israeli military Female would rip most American military apart. I am not saying this because of spite, but because it is true. Army Combatives and MCMAP are very watered down. You would have to practice both4 or 5 hours a day to get as good as other countries who are kicking trees all day in the dead of winter.
orateurpneumatikos 3 years ago
H2H should not be focused on more than good infantry tactics
chelsea4life11 2 years ago
lol...kicking trees? What a waste of time. You know why? 90 percent of all fights wind up on the ground. You think in a war youre gonna just square off with an enemy soldier and strike him with your hands and feet? No youre gonna wind up wrestling with him to the ground. So yeah go ahead and ruin your legs kicking trees...brilliant.
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
90% of fights wind up on the ground in sports competitions, not combat. Even a Gracie in a life or death situation is not going to the ground, NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO THE GROUND so another enemy can help stomp you into the ground. And yes kicking banana trees works, or karate's body hardening. I live here in Okinawa, Japan and these guys will break your arm or leg just from blocking your attack, Yes you kick, and your leg breaks on their arm.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
"The LAPD study does not show that 90% of fights go to the ground. Instead, the LAPD study shows that 95% of altercations took on one of five familiar patterns (with which any street cop will be intimately familiar). It also shows that of that 95%, 62% ended up with both the officer and the suspect grappling on the ground."....this is what ive found on google. It has a source cited too if youd like ill send it to you.
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
So yeah im mostly just sticking up for my Army I guess...i really have little fighting experience aside from the grade school altercation.
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
You know, in combat, it would probably really boil down to a soldiers ability to remain calm and how many battle buddies he has around him. Honestly it seems like the more warfare evolves the less likely you are to see hand to hand combat on the battlefield, other than a person resisting capture or something.
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
All about who trains the hardest always no matter the style. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Also, I could see LAPD statistics as accurate, but remember they are not trying to kill suspect.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
And orateurpneumatikos
unless you are a certified MACP instructor, you DO NOT teach combatives to the Army. You teach your own form of shadetree craab mcgraw but not combatives. And it consists of a little more than 5 moves. I can tell that you are uneducated on the subject from that statement alone
inthebackround 2 years ago
orateurpneumatikos Icarusdecending82 this is for you two
I love reading comments from people who have no idea what they are talking about. These days our experience is not being brought to the table to back our opinions its GOOGLE. It makes me giggle like a school girl when I hear phrases like "Google said" or "I googled" it. Advice google will tell you anything depending on who's point of view it is from. Since there are millions of people there are millions of statistics.
inthebackround 2 years ago
hmmm....well lets see what else I "googled". " The Battle of Britain was when the German Airforce took on the RAF and lost.", Regarding the first superbowl, "January, 1967. It was following the 1966 season. Packers 35 Chiefs 10.", "Thomas Jefferson April 13, 1743 July 4, 1826"...now these are all FACTS ive found by googling. Or should I not trust it because it was on google? And the police investigation i found on google is legitiment.
Icarusdecending82 2 years ago
You are talking about Points in time that are constant now, guy. No matter how many time you google it, rashad evans lost to lyoto machida. I GET THAT. Now folly me if you can. Statistics are not constant in the google world unless they are being performed by some accredited agency. when you guys are talking obout "google said 90% of fights go to the ground... .. man you can get google to say any thing statisticly speaking
Can you dig
inthebackround 2 years ago
Like I just repsonded to another person. I teach full time, that is my job...5 days a week 7 classes a day, bot Capoeira and MMA.(Judo, jiujitsu, arnis/escrima,submission wrestling). But maybe that means I do not know what I am talking about since I have almost 100of students of all martial arts background, and all levels including fighters (real). and would have probably 300~400 students by now if now one left from this military community.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
Hey man I am not taking awy the fact that you teach craw mcgram to all those people. Got it.
I am talking about MACP. Dont talk about it if you dont kow about it. All the questions I asked were questions that you learn in the first level. So if you were familiar with the program you could answer them. But since you are not you couldnt. I am just saying dont fake the funk like you can.
inthebackround 2 years ago
It does not matter if I don't remember how long the courses were, they still don't compare to a regular class. Also, I could just google how long the class times are. Again, Army Combative guys come to me to train. So really don't have to fake the funk, like I said...teaching martial arts is my only job and I have 70+ students, and would have more if people did not PCS.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
We learn quick kill strikes, disabling moves, like eye gouging and facial structure breaking. The reason you're not SEEING it here is because it's two soldiers fighting each other.
I am a Combatives Instructor and I know for a fact that every soldier leaves my may knowing that in a real fight, there is no such thing as a submission.
And you would only practice H2H in combat as a last ditch effort. You run out of bullets, lost your knife, and can't swing your weapon like a club.
It's all good.
MANIAC119833 3 years ago
I have never seen anyone teach quick kill strikes in Army Combatives...and everything a person learns in Army or Marine martial arts program can be learned as a white belt in a regular Judo, Jiujitsu class. That being said, you can still train Army combatives effectively if you train hard, and besides it is better than nothing...though in all the Asian countries, like here in Japan, if an US person even thought about taking on a Japanese "regular" Soldier, or a ROK, or Filipino Soldiers. CRAZY
orateurpneumatikos 3 years ago
You haven't "seen?" Are you a certified US Army combatives instructor like myself, or are you just someone who watches UFC and thinks they know what they're talking about?
I've trained with soldiers from Japan, Russia and from Israel. I have a basic overview of their fight system, and I say with confidence that ours is superior.
Could I beat the average Russian, Japanese or ROK soldier and win? Yes. But I also believe one of their instructors could take on the average American soldier and win.
MANIAC119833 3 years ago
Acutally, when they started certifying combatives instructors I was ETSing from Army. But I was teaching military combatives to Army when they were just starting it. I am a certified Judo, Jiujitsu, Kickboxing, Boxing, Arnis/Escrima and Capoeira teacher here in Japan. I can tell you that everything you learn in combatives both Marine Corps and Army is a regular Jiujitsu/Judo classes white belt training. When I teach combatives to military I teach 4 moves in 5 seconds or too late.
orateurpneumatikos 3 years ago
I agree, you can learn these moves in any basic BJJ class, but the thing is that the Army teach you so many extras, like bringing your weight to bear, fish hooking, eye gouging, ear ripping... you were a combatives instructor, you know as well as I do that it's the little things that kill.
The point is, MAC was designed to defeat the universal fight plan (close the distance and swing for the fences).
It's all in the training. A poorly trained Judo student couldn't beat a well trained soldier.
MANIAC119833 3 years ago
"Army or Marine martial arts program can be learned as a white belt in a regular Judo, Jiujitsu class"
dont lump army and marine systems together they are two diffrent systems that are very diffrent and the statement is untrue.
I dnt remember getting any kind of striking traing from my juijitsu instructor here is some advice stop talking about combatives you have ARMY combatives. You have no idea what you are talking about
inthebackround 2 years ago
That was interesting of you to make so many statements without knowing who I am or what I do for a living. I was in the Army therefore I know what Army Combatives entails, and being that I train a whole bunch of Marines, I know what MCMAP entails. I have a lot of Army and Marine instructors and fighters that come to me to train. I have been teaching Judo, Jiujitsu, Kickboxing, Submission Wrestling, Arnis/Escrima and Capoeira for some time here in Japan to all military forces and Japanese.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
what is MCMAP? Do not act like you are assosiated with MACP if you are not. I am pretty familiar with the M. odern A.rmy C.mbatives P.rogram. I also saw all that dancing on your youtube page. I am just sayin dont try to associate yoursel with a program that you have no knowledge of. How many levels of MACP are there? How many hours is each level? What is taught in each level? What is the primary focus of the final level. If you cannot answer you have no business talking about MACP
inthebackround 2 years ago
MCMAP = Marine Corps Martial Arts Program and actually there's is much better than Army Combatives cause they work on a lot more things in there drills. My youtube page has a lot of Capoeira since my main teaching style is Capoeira
I teach 5 days a week 7 classes a day, Capoeira and Yudansha MMA.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
I am tlaking abou MACP. I told you not to mix the few. And how do you say one is better when you have already proven that you are severly uneducated on the Army Program
inthebackround 2 years ago
Also all I see on your site is that dancing shit. I see no judo, jiujitsu kali wrestling you know any of the arts that you make contact in. That dancing stuff is good for discipline and conditioning I dunno if i would use it in a real fight.
inthebackround 2 years ago
Then you are not looking hard enough. I just got finished with 4 hours of straight dancing workshops for self-defense - all martial arts are CRAP, without technique and concepts of training, and lots and lots of hours of training...not 40 hour courses, or 120 hour courses. etc etc
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
I think MCMAP is better than MACP because MACP has all the pad and knife fighting, pugel stick training, and quick kills that these guys are training everyday. MACP is more focused on kickboxing and grappling IMO.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
I can see that you are not hearing man.
So Im gonna do the internet thing and call you a NAZI and not talk to you anymore. I am wasting my keystrokes.
Take it easy Adolf
inthebackround 2 years ago 2
Man! You beat me to it, that's almost the exact same thing I was going to say to you. Just in a more diplomatic way. However, remember everyone is writing their opinions here, so to resort to name calling because of opinions says something about a person.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago 5
When did you ets
inthebackround 2 years ago
I ets'ed in January 2008. My school has been open for 2 years though.
orateurpneumatikos 2 years ago
oh and fyi, anyone who has trained under a "master" is a tool.
bigmike7ebw 3 years ago
LOL, after reading your comments i have some answers. The reason they dont learn quick kill methods, is because to be quite honest its all bullshido, none of them work. They are basically learning MMA. There are no quick kill moves, you just have to pray you hit harder and faster.
bigmike7ebw 3 years ago
wow everyone, really. You all make this sound like politics and religion but fail to realize there is no definitive answer, I'm sad to see such self-proclaimed martial artists bashing each other in such immature manners, if you have trained under any master you should have learned discipline and respect for the arts, just because its not your style doesn't mean it is meant to be disrespected nor does it give you reason to utilize your skills for petty reasons, I'm glad I train with none of you.
bronchioboy 3 years ago 2
Style does not matter...it is fighter, warrior, soldier that matters, and how hard they train. Most martial artist just need more repetitions, and to get hit in the mouth a couple of times for real...as Mike Tyson said...Everyone has a plan until they get hit."
orateurpneumatikos 3 years ago
Sugar Ray Leonard said "Everyone has a plan til they get hit!" not Thug Tyson. He isn't smart enough to have a philosophy besides money and rape. Style does matter to a point because it inspires discipline...something the youth of today has virtually none of.
kenporich2006 3 years ago
Thanks for correcting my misquote. As for the style, yes style matters so you can learn something in a controlled manner leading to mastery. However, when it comes to combat, or competition...its about the person, and in combat where there are no illegal moves...even more so.
orateurpneumatikos 3 years ago
No worries...and you are correct about the actual combat. Each person responds differently and in the live situation the only rule is "there are no rules." Do what is necessary to survive.. Sad fact of life but it will do a better job of keeping someone alive. Peace.
kenporich2006 3 years ago
LOL MY WIFE CAN KICK ALL YOUR ASSES
bmetstud 3 years ago
SPORT-fighting for Soldiers? Would they not want to learn "last resort", "lethal engagement", and "quick kill" techniques? Like: Keysi Fighting Method, Commando Krav Maga, U.R.B.A.N. mcp, ( C.F.A. )Sammy Franco, S.P.E.A.R. (Tony Blauer), Ect.
FreeFloFighter 3 years ago
The real World has real violence, confidence will not get you out alive... you need competence. I understand people have an invested interest in there training (What "I" Do is good, because "I" do it, and "I" am good) but we have to wake up. Remember the 3rd deg Black belt (over 400 hours of training) disarmed (~3x/ knife) a killer before he killed her (Tae Kwon Do).
Point is: Train in what you love, don't lie to yourself in you limits... I have too many that I know of, Infinite that I don't.
FreeFloFighter 3 years ago
Using alive training methods and pressure testing makes you a better fighter, but it doesn't necessarily make you a "sport fighter".
Besides, if anything, grappling is more important in a military H2H context than a civilian Self-defense context.
thatrugbyguy 3 years ago
Not sure I get what U are saying. Ground should B taught, and perfected, I agree 2 that. What I fail 2 see is how going 2 the ground with a full kit saves lives Vs. Staying up and crushing the enemys throat & gouging his eyes (both). MIL has less restriction than CIVS I think when it comes 2 destroying another life, thus they should B taught 2 do so. Civilians fight in life/death or for "rank" or social standing. MIL-If the enemy brings U 2 the ground... Kill. CIV-Whatever it takes to get away
FreeFloFighter 3 years ago
A) To explain those terms (probably the most important martial arts concept you will find on youtube): watch?v=AWfK6aqWiNU
B) I don't think you understand the military context that well. If a soldier is H2H with someone it usually means either 1) It is someone you don't want to shoot, blow up, bludgeon, or stab i.e taking a prisoner. 2) It started to close to shoot them in the clinch/ground range.
C) Basic positional strategy is more lethal on the ground than any kind of gouge/throat grab.
thatrugbyguy 3 years ago
I see your point.
FreeFloFighter 3 years ago
Huzzah
thatrugbyguy 3 years ago
Recently during an All Army Combatives tournament a member of the Special Forces took 1st. I've been out for a while and I agree that empty fighting skills are not determined by unit affiliation it's an individual thing. I've trained Sambo and used the techniques with success against Purple belt Brazilian Jujitsu players . But I respect the art and its practioners. I've also competed in sport jujitsu tournaments and took 1st in my division.
schaelakhan 3 years ago
screw combatives, its not practical with gear on... SYSTEMA is the way to go.
StrengthFromAbove83 3 years ago
Any worth his salt you say? How about Royce Gracie? Oh, shit, that's right. Gokor made him tap out pretty quickly. Also a little guy named Gene Lebell seems to think highly of it. Not that you know anything about what you ranting on about about hey, there others on here with an IQ above room temperature.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
Oh, and sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Had some more soldiers to train this morning. You know training, that thing that you are not doing right now.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
Hey fuck stick. Let's compare resumes. 7 years in 7th Special Force Group. Combat tours. Black Belt Gracie BJJ, Black Belt Bas Rutten Muay Thai, Black Belt Gokor Sambo, Black Belt Kali, Black Belt Kenpo Jiu-Jitsu, Black Belt Aikijutsu, Black Belt Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut, MACP instructor Hop Gar. and many others. I am an intsructor in other systems as well. I also have world titles under belt. 6869 Fillyaw Road Suite 102, fayetteville, NC. Stop by and see if I really am a couch potato fuck stick.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
Also, anytime you care to test yourself out. Stop by. We will try to ensure your not crippled.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
Listen rookie, when you have the battlefield time and experience of even half mine then you can talk. The Modern Army Grab-ass system is worthless in real combat. I have a school at Bragg. We are certified instructors in it. We also teach programs that will work. Get over your dilusions and wake the fuck up. The systems fully fails to prepare soldiers to fight and win. I never said you wont get knocked down. I said BJJ is worthless in a battlefield. One word, Sambo. Eat a dick.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
these guys are horrible!
bobnugget 3 years ago
As a Soldier I say that the problem is not the Army or Marine fighting system.I have trained martial arts since I was 15,I am now 36.I think that the instructors are not up to standard the know the moves.A Soldier or Marine should seek out private instruction; join a boxing or kickboxing gym or MMA club. I say this because I have rolled on the mat with civilian and military instructors.The civilians are better.Seeking extra training will make the Soldier or Marine better instructors.
schaelakhan 3 years ago 6
Yea, thats lvl 3, I was supposed to go to this last class, but I guess you need to be e-5 or higher? Im only a SPC. Michael, they teach you in the earlier lvls that the winner of the fight is one whos buddy shows up first with the gun.
CrescentFreshMS 3 years ago
not true. im level 3 and im only a pfc. im in south korea right now and its easy to go level 4.
benabjr 3 years ago
I know what they tell you. It is not what they train you. There are better ways that are actually battlefield tested. MACP is a sport. Not a fighting system. You need to seek outside instruction in order to really be prepared to fight and win when it's not on a mat. Any NCO worth his salt will know this after his first combat deployment. At least you are trying to better yourself which I applaud. Just don't stop digging for the truth. Don't buy the hype of the ignorant masses.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
Too bad it's only BJJ. Soldier s fight on ground in combat = soldiers getting killed. Thank God for the URBAN Combatives system.
michaeljwarren 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure that's not lvl3, because I've seen better technique in lvl 1 and lvl 2 UAC
Spectraeon 3 years ago
it level 3. thats what we do.
benabjr 3 years ago
Best, most professional combatives fight i've ever seen, they're so natural
mobytoss 3 years ago
i remember that day!!!
javisr15 3 years ago
that's level three??
kuyacosta 4 years ago
This is kind of dumb. The army is turning there guys into MMA fighters. They should use Commando Krav Maga or Haganah or Jeet Kune Do.
thunderkarate 4 years ago
No they shouldn't.
Lordasia 4 years ago
NO Jeet Kune Do. Just learn practical palm strikes, joint breaks, elbows, knees and real groundfighting skills. If you are in a fight and it goes to the ground, DON'T GRAPPLE. Fight. This is not the UFC, IFL, or Pride.
neilneazer 4 years ago
there are technics that have to be left out from competition
Spoonher41 4 years ago
Combatives is more practical to teach the entire army, and it has a competition/sporting side to it.
TheGreenSmoke 4 years ago
Exactly. The guys in SF are not just learning Combatives.
rarelibra 4 years ago
i've seen better fights in a playground....
patbateman247 4 years ago
thats why you are probably a silly kid who has never served, never fought in combat, in the service or in the hood, so go to your playground and get beat down
datboirude 4 years ago
you're right, im a son of a wealthy land owner in Ireland, irish born and bred, fight barefist for fun every Sunday and my life is amazing. I want for nothing. Don't be jealous......(comment war ensue).....heh heh
patbateman247 4 years ago
And when you go home daddy smacks you up until you get him his budweiser, and then you get stay up all night watching gay pron till Sunday whereas you get pimpsmacked around. Btw, your daddy blows all of his money on fat hookers.
WanderingSamura1 3 years ago
oh P.s, we use a fighting technique called "Bata" where i'm from, u fight with the sticks from the nearest tree, enjoy watching ur bastardised krav maga or whatever mixed martial u plundered above (and made a messy job of it too), oh, and im not a child, im 30 heh heh
patbateman247 4 years ago
you sure do talk like a child - must be from all of those beatings you've taken.
rarelibra 4 years ago
Must be alright, i've taken more beatings than i've had hot dinners.....nicely deduced old chap !
patbateman247 4 years ago
trust me, it shows. Old chap - lol. You're nice, but still a punk.
rarelibra 4 years ago
i like to think so......
patbateman247 4 years ago
by the time you go to level 3 you've been doing it for at least a few months. Level 1 is one week long, level 2 is two weeks long, level 3 is four weeks long. It's good stuff.
kfoxon 4 years ago
Those guys are good. How long have they been training for?
qzec6533 4 years ago
Gotta love Bjj i love the way army bought out the gracies its why i chose the army over Marines navy and such, cause i believe that Bjj in traditional formal is a superior fighting style to anything else.
BBJJclo08 4 years ago
It is always great when people that aren't in the military coment on how the military should do things. It does get used in combat...I have met fellow Soldiers that have used it in combat. It can be used to hurt or kill the enemy, but it is most effective in keeping you alive until your buddy can reach you and put a round in the enemy's head, or put his K-bar through him.
wwlassit 4 years ago 2
you right about how people who are like 16 17 talk about how the us military should do things
ohioguardsolider 4 years ago
what camp in south korea is this? i am leaving in two more weeks to go to camp casey, south korea. i'm only level two.
ramonneal84 4 years ago
What a waist of time. you use this in real combat you die. They shouldn't be teaching them UFC. Well just glad our military has the bigger guns.
ufmo 4 years ago
They use it for developing a solders psychological mindset and physical endurance - not for actual use in combat! LOL
marcusorilius 4 years ago
lol thats good
ufmo 4 years ago
bs we use it when ever we are unarmed and being attacked
unseenaznboi 4 years ago
You go into a combat zone without your weapon? You are one sad excuse of a solider! Since when would you engage in enemy at arms-length range without either of you carrying a weapon? You get attacked in your bunk by un-armed assailants? Even if they had a knife or explosive devise, this type of MMA would be useless. By your level of thinking, I take it you are a grunt?
marcusorilius 4 years ago
you must be in the airforce!!
datboirude 4 years ago
the word coming back from the people using it overseas says otherwise ufmo
thatrugbyguy 4 years ago
marcusorilius is correct, the goal of the combatives program is to teach a proper combative mindset, not to make every soldier a lethal killing machine. if it happens to work in combat, then there's another benefit.
dougdoug2006 4 years ago
on another note, to anybody bashing this martial arts program; the superior program is the one with superior training methodology, not the program that teaches you ninja death touch or has you break bricks. So far, MMA, Muay Thai, BJJ, Wrestling,Judo have displayed the right mindset and methodology, so that's why we train them.
dougdoug2006 4 years ago 3
llol whoever kept screaming arm bar = idiot :P up until the end he had noposition to pull any arm bar!!! but it was still an entertaining match. The guy who won had contrl the whole fight.
ericyey27 5 years ago
Yeah, some US army base in S.Korea!
houghh 5 years ago
lol WWII are you kidding me... Solder today are much better trained for hand to hand combat.
krebz999 5 years ago
Yah no kidding... back then soldiers were commonly taught the krotty and tkd that we laugh at today
Andrew909 4 years ago
Actually a lot of the WW2 stuff is based off Judo atemi, which may be even worse.
viator22 4 years ago
man I wish I could go. Now I have to wait till I get to the states
unigamehead 5 years ago
This was the honor grad fights of an MTT in Korea.
armykungfu 5 years ago
Vary cool, is this the school at Ft Benning or a competion
trharlow 5 years ago