I just bought a new LCD TV for £210. It's 31 inches, but when I play on any game on my PS3, I can always feel a slight bit of lag. It's not much, but it's deffinately noticable. Is this normal? And if I buy a HDMI cable, would that fix it? Any feedback is appreciated.
What? You mean all those standards for hdmi have been evolving for no reason? Those most retarded response I hear is that cables do not matter. Try and remember the audio is also traveling in that cable. My suggestion to those people that do not understand the science of a cable is to zip the pie hole. Yeah it sure makes a huge difference the longer the run so why is it degrading with distance? At 3/4 the length on a 35 ft length is it the same as a 3 ft cable? Both images are horrid btw.
@uaboob all respect, though i think it's plenty possible for different standards to "evolve" and be printed on packaging for only the sake of selling more to consumers looking for the highest number/model number. It's business and marketing, and companies that used to make "high-grade" analog cables are trying to stay viable in a digital market. heard of Sega Genesis' "Blast Processing" ability (i.e. Sonic)? no such thing. until i have bionic eyes i'll stick to short, inexpensive HDMI.
Also, Static is ONLY for analog TV. if its one bit misses its target that frame, the frame turns black, or black with a few white spots for that frame. The worst that will happen with a bad cable is it cant arry the signal and all frames are BLACK! If ti works, you ARE seeing the FULL RESOLUTION SAME IMAGE as you would with an expensive. It is true, an expensive cable can carry more power, and can be LONGER without breaking the signal, because expensive ones cunduct better...
He just changed the TV settings to screw with us. If you buy a cheap flash drive, and put a file on it, and get an expensive flash drive and put a file on it, if you take them off, the audio quality of the MP3 file will be EXACTLY the same. It wont lose quality. If something went wrong with the cheap flash drive, the audio quality doesnt get worse, the audio file breaks and gets corrupted.
HDMI cables do NOT get worse with quality. If one bit is off, the frame is off...
Do not believe this!! A digital signal is the same no matter what cable you use. Only in very very long runs does a better quality cable help the error rate.
The cheap HDMI looks better. Too much color saturation on the right screen. Black levels on right are too contrasted. It's not about how bright and vivid your display can be.
@JWestTexas The cables have nothing to do with it. His picture settings were adjusted. However, if you think that the picture which supposedly represents the cheap cable connection looks superior, please do us all a favor and proceed to kill yourself asap. There's a reason Samsung screens are so popular. Better contrast and higher color saturation levels than most make for a better viewing experience. Anyone who disagrees partakes of the gay action. Thank you for your time.
The only difference between , is the quality of the cable the and how long it will last, the digital signal can not how a degraded picture it is either working or not, the person who made this video
probably sells cable and wants to take advantage or peoples lack of knowledgeable resources , similar to mounting your TV , you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on a mounting system.
Quality cable matters with an analog signal. Not so much for a digital signal. Digital is either working or it's not. The biggest benefit though is the lifetime warranties offered on brands such as Monster. Other than that just get the cheap $20 cable off Amazon or whatever.
Hi there's no real difference in how the data gets moved from player to the source for to say but what dose affect picture or sound how much data are trying to put through the cable say your outing hd audio and hd video like say a blu ray movie you'll need a cable at least 10 gb in ban with to handle it put cheap vs costly will not affect picture just make sure you get the right data speed
It does make a difference in quality! Stronger wire leads to longer life, as well as the better the make, the smoother picture will flow, some carry 3D and better picture when a lot don't. Yes length will affect picture and cost, but truly, the data being transferred will always be the same, but the quality can change drastically. Sorry for my terrible grammatically incorrect sentences. Just getting the point across that quality can change. VERY much so.
@REMEMBERblackguitar6 quality doesn't change lol. All HDMI cables will have the same flow and smooth picture. Yes the difference occurs with 3D but those are 1.4 HDMI cables.
Reason this is fake: HDMI cables, cheap or not, will not affect color quality or brightness, like would be possible in the analog domain. This is digital, it's either there or it's not. If anything, digital interference would just be breaking up of the picture with random pixel snow.
fake and bullshit. Don't believe these bullshits. Cable on digital is only matters on distance where it works or not (no anything between them, it works perfectly or not at all). If a cheap cable not enough for a longer distance( 5 metres+), maybe a quality cable is. Otherwise it's exactly the same!
In digital, with good error checking algorithms (hdmi does have these in specification), there can't be difference in quality per cable, just in working cable length.
Does LENGTH of the cable matter? 6 feet vs 20 feet? Can you say that quality will be lost in a 20 foot cable cause it takes longer for the data to feed through from 1 end to the other?
idk man, I bought a give dollar HDMI off amazon and honestly, it looked worse than my component cables, I guess if your going to buy an HDMI never go below $7.
@thumbwar73 I bought 5 dollar cables from frys, and they picture quality is the same as the one my brother gave me. The quality of the cable is the same as well. The only thing you're paying for is how they look and the quality of the cable that's all. $5-$20 anymore than that and you're getting ripped off.
@thumbwar73 Just going to say, no matter what you sorta get the same cables, I work at best buy and we have our store brand rocket fish . We charge 80$ for the cables retail. However the store pays 3 $ for the cable. (I know because our discount is based off of whole sale)
Even CNet states that they use inexpensive ($7-12, i believe) HDMI cables for all of their HDTV testing and reviews. 1's and 0's are always 1's and 0's.
@stradlemonkey444 Lol, it's got nothing to do with 1 or 0 but the speed at which you can send them (The bandwidth) not fast enough, not enough colour information, the screen will 'make up' what it thinks should be there (Simplified answer)
Think, using the same amount of wires a V1.0 HDMI cable CANNOT carry a full digital sound multitrack but the new V1.4 can! The difference? Partly the specification for quality in both the copper wires AND the shielding and insulation.
@MrSiaynoq how exactly does a screen 'make up' any kind of information it hasn't been fed? i understand a bit of how pull-downs and frame interpolation works (and love my new 60hz Vizio with none of the 120/240+ faking). makes me dizzy and nauseus. cheap soap-opera effect is so unnatural. my brain rejects it even more than 3D.
@stradlemonkey444 I'm completely with you with the 'faking' modes etc. "how exactly does a screen 'make up' any kind of information" You have never heard of error correction? Hell it's used through out the digital industry (and no the 'screen' does not the electronics do) I'll give you a very basic example, cut four 5mm slots in a cd (digital info yeah) radiating out from the middle in a cross, play said cd it will (should) play perfectly no jumping etc. con't
con't Why? Error correction, the electronics 'guesstimates' what the information (1 or 0) should be, BUT listen carefully you WILL be able to tell the difference just like with bitrates on an mp3 (320 kbit/s sounds better than 96, MORE information per second) same on your screen, a cheap cable with high resistance will be unable to transmit the required bitrate, quality will drop as the set adds it's own bits to keep up, lose enough and not even that is enough, degradation
@MrSiaynoq cable construction is important as far as if the cable works or doesn't. i've had a couple cheapies with poor molding around the contacts that don't seat right, thus no picture. then i grab another $3 cable that came off the line better and does work. Insulation should play virtually no role: that's analogue cable-speak. Monster's never getting my money.
@stradlemonkey444 CNet couldn't tell the difference between a good picture quality and a poor if it hit them in the face! They do not have the full testing capabilities. (Ask em how they calibrate a screen?) Note cheap cables often use poor quality copper wire that degrades over time and/or has too much resistance per metre!
I saw a difference in color a very obvious difference in color between screen and a difference in detail. IF this is a side by side comparison and the only difference is the cables then it does prove that different cables show a different picture. which is better is subjective and depends on each individual person.
@ksaunders3 Digital is digital. 1010101 is 1010101. A $1 cheap HDMI cable WILL deliver the same 1010101 as a $300 cable.
Now if we are talking analog signal, that would be a different case, otherwise digital is digital. You cannot the quality of 10101's with an expensive cable, which otherwise lots of gullible consumers are led to believe.
The only difference about HDMI Cable is the version of it ... probably the cheap one can't support the 4K resolution or high bandwidth like the v. 1.4 or it can be the connector plate have some bad connection with the hdmi peripheral ...
but at all ...it's numerical information containing 1 and 0
But Don't freaking buy a cable 50$-90+$ if you can have one for 5$ or less ... if it broke it's doesn't matter to buy a other one 5$.... in total it cost you less then one 50$ cable XD
I bought an HDMI cable for $6, it says 1440p on it, idk what it means, but it gives me a 1080p Image which looks amazing compared to 420p xD... So can someone tell me why it said 1440p?
@10290gilmore nope, its usually on the bigger 27" monitors (such as the iMac) and since you usually sit really close to a monitor it is much easier to see the pixels as compared to sitting about 5-15 feet away from your HDTV, the pixels tend to blend together a bit better over the greater distance... so for computer monitors the more pixels the better
Quality mattered in the days of analogue scart. A more expensive, high quality lead with RGB was capable of outputting an image and sound quality vastly superior to cheap composite alternatives. With HDMI this is not the case - a cheap cable will perform as good as an expensive cable.
One of the biggest scams is the pricing of HDMI cables. Dishonest companies sell 4 ft cables for $50 at places like Best Buy and Walmart! And people actually buy them!
You can get a perfectly good 6 foot HDMI cable on the net for $6.
my $15 HDMI cable perform just as good as $100 gold plated super expensive HDMI cable, don't waste your money, better buy many cheap HDMI cable (and you can replace your cable whenever it's broke) rather than buy a single expensive HDMI cable.
the most likely cause of the picture difference, if there is any, is either due to the tv settings or the camera settings or both. If the camera's white balance, focus, etc are not exactly the same, (for instance they were probably set on auto) then the pictures won't look the same. besides the fact that you put it on youtube, which has terrible video compression so it's impossible to tell. in fact the video compression may have added to this placebo effect that a better cable = better picture
well it looks to me that the video on the right side has deeper colors and a tad bit faster pixel mapping most likely due to the bandwidth and the amount of shielding the cables have to offer
beside seeing the deeper colors due to video quality i cannot tell much more but if i had to choose i would take the cable used on the right.
@nutdiablo Thanks for putting the video up!! i would just like to say to you and everyone else that Digtal cables send the Signal in 0&1's so you would not get any better performance !!! well a slight improvement but not by far. why companies charge so much is beyond me !!!
what video editor did you use to play this on ? as im sure if it was running from your pc and it's not an high end pc it's going to tax the system and their fore you would lose some quality in the image.
Judging from this video I can say that the right one does have better black levels. I'm not sure if its showing less than the one on the left but I like the one on the right. How much did the cable on the right cost( in euros)? thanks.
Also when you see the system settings for the Xbox 360 and it shows you reference levels: Standard, Intermediate, Expanded. This option affects games and movies. Now my TV is a 1080p HDTV. What option should i take?
The cables don't work the picture seems to be the same i tried it on a xbox 360 and i don't know if theres anything wrong with them but my tv is at 60hz and i don't think it supports that but when i change the picture to 1080p it asked me if i want to change to 50hz and i put yes but it stays in 60hz for some reason do you know what i'm meant to do?
This reminds me of gold plated connectors that I saw on a fiber optic cable. Yeah you pay more for a higher quality product but the money was spent on something that doesn't make any difference in the performance of the product. You might as well buy a gold box to put it in too.
I am an Engineer. With analog cabling there is noise interference obviously. With Digital cables there also can be issues, but only over LONG distances. Digital signals are a series of 1's and 0's only so it's too easy for a computer, to tell which is which. Digital cables either work, or they don't. For the most part, hype with better analog cabling vs cheap analog cabling is total nonsense if you are running cables in the living room.
well SIMPLE if you get interference on the tv from rf or electrical signals bleeding into unshielded hdmi cable then get a sheilded expensive cables but if you don't have tv issue (snow) then stick with the free hdmi cables from the cable comp. DON'T FIX SOMETHING THATS NOT BROKE BASICALLY, thumbs up if you agree
The only differences an HDMI that cost 50$ vs 25$ is probably distance, maybe you will see their differences using gold coating vs not at like more than 100 feet, but the differences is so small that you might need a computer to analyze it.
Saying movies will look better over a high quality HDMI cable is as much bullshit as saying photos will look better when stored in a high quality hard drive.
@KUTTYAT It is, and you'll always be wrong. We're not intending to implement an HDMI device at the electrical level here. We're consumers. At consumer level, digital devices either work perfect, or they don't at all. Whoever says otherwise is full of it.
@KUTTYAT You're still wrong. In the digital domain, colors are numbers. There's no chance a NUMBER sent from one end of the cable arrives as another NUMBER on the other end. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.
@tHEuKER Seriously dude a NUMBER in this case is 1's and 0's and if you ever went to college for a degree in electronics, you would already know by now that it doesn't matter if the signal is analog or digital, signal attenuation happens in all cases on a transmission line because the real world is not perfect. And if you still don't get it please read some books on DSP(digital signal processing) or go attend a DSP class in your nearby college.
@tHEuKER and starting point for you would be to go to HDMI official website(hdmi.org) and read what the real creators of HDMI have to say about digital signal quality, attenuation and integrity in cables and how it depends on the cable build quality.i am an electronics engineer and i studied this for 4 years and i know what i am talking about.If you still disagree,then u are pretty ignorant and there is nothing i can do about it
@KUTTYAT There's no such thing as attenuation in digital signalling. 1 will always be 1 and 0 will always be 0. There's no such thing as a number becoming another. Now, I tend to think you're just a troll, so I'm done with this. Bye!
@tHEuKER Now, I tend to think you're just another stupid and ignorant person. People go to college to learn about these 1's and 0's. I think you never did go to college,. If DSP is that simple, i would have graduated in a year. And by the way a simple Google click will tell you about digital signal attenuation, transmission lines and digital sampling.
@tHEuKER As a Computer Engineering student, I must say that you are wrong. Any digital electronics class will teach you that there can in fact be an intermediate state between 1 and 0. It happens a lot when dealing with latches, since a wrong combination of inputs to the latch (either two 1's or two 0's depending on the latch) will result in an unpredictable output, a condition known as critical racing. That can result in an error in the output.
@fpernice518 Look, I know you love to brag about being an electronics student and all, and I know of the potential problems of transmitting a digital signal, but all of those problems are already taken care of when an electronic device achieves approval and standarization.
@tHEuKER As I've said, we do not live in an ideal world. products are recalled and many engineering projects go awry. Just because something achieves approval doesn't mean the technology is perfect. There will always be imperfections. But what you're trying to convince people of is entirely false and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Please, I'm not arguing about HDMI, I don't watch enough TV to really care about quality. I'm just pointing out the facts about signal transfer.
@tHEuKER Again, I couldn't care less about HDMI picture quality. But please don't try to tell me that I'm wrong when you have no idea what you're talking about. It's like a house wife arguing with a civil engineer over the structural integrity of a bridge. The house wife isn't qualified at all in the subject. Please, I'm qualified in this area and you obviously are not, so lets move on.
@tHEuKER I never said cheap cables are bad, why are you attacking me? I'm just saying that signals dissipate, we do not live in an ideal world, all wires have resistance...cheap or expensive! All I am saying is that your claim that a 1 is ALWAYS a 1 and a 0 is ALWAYS a zero is false because under certain conditions a logic 1 can go below the threshold and become a logic 0 or undefined state unintentionally. I'm not arguing about cable quality, I just want you to see the science.
@fpernice518 Well, duh, I know there's cables with higher resistivity that will over extreme distances make the voltage of an 1 fall to levels that map to 0, but then the cable will STOP TO WORK, ie the TV loses sync and throws "no input signal" at you. As I said, it's MIND-BOGGLINGLY RIDICULOUS to say there can be loss of image quality on a digital data transfer. That's like saying that when your ADSL line quality is bad, pictures on the internet will look washed out.
@tHEuKER Thank you for finally admitting that already! Now that that's out of the way, I agree with you, the only other thing I can see that would interfere with the signal is noise. But that's what the insulating rubber covering the wires is for. Generally, the insulation on the cheap cables is plenty sufficient. So can we please stop arguing, I'm on your side. I just don't like people saying that a 1 will ALWAYS be a 1 because that's not true. My argument had nothing to do with HDMI.
@fpernice518 Well, yeah, it can happen, but not over a seemingly working connection. As soon as a transmission medium exhibits the possibility of 0s turning into 1s and viceversa, it all crumbles down and stops working. Therefore, there's NO CHANCE IN HELL a poor quality HDMI cable will cause variations in color tonality.
@tHEuKER I'm just saying that it's possible and shouldn't be ruled out, although unlikely. But the cable wouldn't stop working if that were to happen, it's just strands of copper wire. It would be up to the device itself to determine if the signal is good or not using parity bits or some other safety net.
@fpernice518 You don't get it. First of all, are you aware that visually similar colors are nothing alike binarily? Pure blue and pure yellow are just ONE bit from each other. Changing single random bits will practically NEVER produce similar hues. Then, in the unlikely scenario that a bit was mistransmitted without the channel failing, it would only be for a frame, and not produce a steady picture with consistently wrong colors. I mean, this is ridiculous. You can believe what you like. Cheers!
@tHEuKER What does that have to do with anything...how many times have I said that I AGREE WITH YOU DAMNIT!!! I said that the cheap cables are no better or worse than the expensive ones. All I am saying is that any correction happens within the device itself, not the cable because it's just wire, there is no mechanism to correct the transmission inside the cable itself. You're right, this is ridiculous, you're arguing with someone who agrees with you, it's not a matter of belief, Cheers
@fpernice518 Yes they are! They cannot carry the bandwidth required of 1080p AND full digital multitrack surround sound. Period! (And how about taking resistance into account? It does affect PQ!))
@MrSiaynoq digital is digital, it works or it does not. Different brands of HDMI cable make no difference on the picture, nor does it make sense from a theoretical point of view on paper. You are living in the days analog inputs where we line in a day of digital.
@RockRocky09 i would not presume who I am or what I do! Question for you. What is the difference between A HDMI v1.0 cable and a V1.4? Why can a v1.4 carry HD soundtrack and a v1.0 NOT? (Hint: BANDWIDTH) Don't bother replying! I'm not in a teaching mood
@RockRocky09 i would not presume who I am or what I do! Question for you. What is the difference between A HDMI v1.0 cable and a V1.4? Why can a v1.4 carry HD soundtrack and a v1.0 NOT? (Hint: BANDWIDTH) Don't bother replying! I'm not in a teaching mood
@stradlemonkey444 as an engineer I think I know how binary works, I don't need some kid on Youtube to tell me that. The problem I mentioned is that wires have internal resistance. Binary corresponds to voltages. The circuit designer defines what voltages he wants 1 and 0 to be (commonly 5V for 1). However, in order to make the system work, you have to create a range of voltages that are considered 1 and 0 so that some intermediate voltage does not result in an unknown state.
@stradlemonkey444 So the circuit designer will define some threshold (say 5V-3.5V for 1 and 0V-2.5V for 0). Back to resistance, if the wire is long enough or thin enough, the resistance in the wire could potentially create a large enough voltage drop across the wire's internal resistance. By the time the signal reaches it's intended destination, what may have been intended to be a logic 1 is mistakenly read as a logic 0.
@fpernice518 Common sense and book sense is not the same ....so don't judge people by their positions they hold in society ......as i can recall it was so called geniuses like you that said the earth was flat ......and it took a boat full of convicts to prove them wrong.
@iGhostmlg What are you talking about? This isn't a matter of common sense or book sense. This is the science behind signals, what did science ever have to do with the Church's beliefs on the shape of the world? Science proved them wrong and science is proving tHEuKER wrong too. I use cheap HDMI cables too and I never said they're any better or worse than expensive ones. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. All I'm saying is that signals dissapate over time, cheap cable or not
@tHEuKER Although I've just started my signals and systems class, there can be other factors that affect whether or not a signal is received at the output. Noise is a big factor, also DC voltage tends to drop over long distances (which is the reason why we use AC to deliver power to our homes and DC inside our homes). Not that it matters much going from your cable box to your TV, but over long distances that can add up. Wire has resistance and it builds up, it is not an ideal conductor.
@fpernice518 When a digital cable fails, everything that passes through it is damaged. What makes you think a HD media stream will still be valid when you're tinkering with its values? Thinking a bad quality HDMI cable will produce washed out colors on your TV is as mind blowingly stupid as thinking a bad hard drive cable will make your JPGs' colors wash out when you copy them to another folder. It just doesn't work that way. Period.
@tHEuKER I don't know why I bother to argue with you. I don't even need a degree to tell you that you're wrong, but that just makes me more qualified to disprove you. You have to realize that an HDMI cable is not just a single piece of wire. In fact there are 19 different wires in every HDMI cable, one for ground, one for +5V, and others for data. If one of those data wires is snipped, the others will work, but the picture (or sound) will be distorted because not all bits are being transferred.
@tHEuKER So yes, just because one signal is disrupted does not mean all others are invalidated. Often the circuit designer will use a parity bit which helps detect errors in signal transmission, but the signal isn't completely invalidated unless such a system is in place in the device. It is not dependent on the wire, it's dependent on the device being used.
@tHEuKER As far as claiming cheap HDMI cables are better or worse than $100 Monster cables, I have no idea what you're talking about. I never made such claims. Hell, I use the cheap $5 ebay cables all the time without a problem. In my opinion, I have not seen much of a difference in picture either. All I was doing was pointing out the science of digital signal processing, something I do not think you are qualified to be talking about.
@tHEuKER We do not live in an ideal world. In ideal circuitry, as I've already mentioned, wires themselves have resistance. Good luck transmitting a small 5V digital signal over a few miles of cable. It's not going to happen. The resistance in the wire is going to dissipate most of that power by the time the signal reaches the other end.
@tHEuKER Logical 1's and 0's are defined by the circuit designer to be voltages between some threshold. For argument's sake, lets say a logic 1 is any voltage between 3-5V and a logic 0 is any voltage between 0-2V. That leaves 1V for some intermediate state. If you've ever taken high school physics, I'm sure you've analyzed a simple series circuit before. voltage drops across loads in series. That means it is entirely possible for a signal to drop below a logic 1 threshold into a logic 0.
I agree with what someone else said, I think youre paying for the build quality and durability of a more expensive HDMI cable, theres not going to be much/if any noticeable difference in Audio/Visual. I was using some cheap HDMI cable and it didn't take long for the thing to fall apart.
Maybe, just MAYBE, the screen on the right is better, but only slightly so and only when you see the white on black letters at the beginning of the video and NOT on the movie later on. Only slight better could be only because of the screen itself and not because of the cable.
On my opinion all HDMI are doing the some job as long as they are well treated! The signal that comes from the source is not analog anymore. It is digital. So there is no issue of signal lose or interfierense. The difference makes the TV screen and it's decoder.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE A CHEAP AND A EXPENSIVE CABLE WITH 2 DIFFERENT KIND OF TV SETS!!!!!! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME SETUP FOR BOTH CABLES!!!!
I bought a new monitor and im currently using the Hdmi it came with. On my Ps3 the settings are set to 1080p but the quality is not great on blu ray and framerate is a bit choppy. Would the Hdmi be the cause of this or do I have to play around with the settings?
U all r forgetting about the AUDIO 1/2 of HDMI, plus the life in general of the cables. U can drive yourself nuts trying to find a problem in your home audio/video set up if U have cheap cables of any kind. I go with the best U can afford and as stated try to go with the shorted distance between components. The cheaper the cable audio or video or HDMI can bend and break a lot easier and U can not easily see this anywhere in the cable. Just my 3 cents worth. RD
There will NOT be a difference in picture, the settings on the TV are different thats why colors look deeper on the right. If you buy Monster cables for a lot more then you're an idiot.
Yeah i bought a HDMI cable from amazon for like $1.50 and its better than the monster one i had... the ONLY and i mean ONLY difference between any HDMI cables on the market is the speed in which it transmits... so yeah doesnt surprise me that you cant see a difference in the screens
LOL i own a $65 dallor HDMI cable i only use it when im viewing in 3D tv or watching a blue ray movies the reason why is because i want the best picture i can get....
My cheap two HDMI cable($11) i got from home depot i use for my Xbox 360 and my Ps3 because i dont really give a shit about quality when i play video games...
Good HDMI- Has better picture, streams images faster ,less lag input and amazing for video games.
imo you would notice diferences in time with the cheaper cables, like in any other a/v application where the material carrying the signal become "dirty" and take away from your viewing , listening enjoyment. oxygen free / goldplating connections arent popular for their prices especially in higher end applications. Aside time, you wouldnt want to have just spent a ton of money on a tv, and or receiver, and have your experience lessened by a cheap cable, it would be the weak link in the chain.
i bought an hdmi cable for $3.50 at micorcenter, and i will tell you that $3.50 cable looks as good as the $50 cable my friend has hooked up to his tv.
More expensive cables usually have a larger gauge cable vs the cheaper ones. There can be less crosstalk between pairs. Can you really tell a difference? Slightly. I don't run the cheapest cables...middle of the road is fine. The distance between my 60" monitor and my Anthem Statement D2v processor is 35 feet because it's in a rack on the other side of the room. My two HDMI cables are 6 feet in length. I'm running HDMI over fiber optic for the longer run.
There is a difference between quality and cheap HDMI because when people have a professional home theater setup, they at times need long HDMI cables to feed around and cheap ones just do not feed that length because they use cheaper material... I always buy the shortest cable possible and only buy from Audioquest. Monster is a rip off and does not have professional wiring or cable..
@bravedwarf They are quite alot cheaper than that. What I'm trying to tell is "It's difference but not one is better than other. It's up to how you like it.". If you like left one buy one but if you like right one bad for you cuz it's expensive than the left one.
lets get this straight...HDMI is a digital signal through and through. Meaning that either the signal is getting there or it's not. There is no in between stage like analog. It's all 1's and 0's. The difference here is the color settings from one tv to another. He should show us that the color, hue, saturation are the same. Even then testing the difference over a cheap video camera on youtube is no justification.
@liveD83 And even if the settings were all the same, and the TVs were identical makes and models, that still doesn't mean the cables are making a difference. The only thing this video tells us is that this guy has two TVs.
That doesn't necessarily mean that they're matched.
Even with two sets of the same brand and model, manufacturing variances will result in differences between the two sets that can directly affect how each set can display an image at a given picture setting.
For optimal comparison, both HDTVs must be calibrated using the same measuring equipment and the same video reference signals.
@nutdiablo To be exact HDMI is streaming audio with error correction and video without error correction. I recommend Kramer, Monster and Bandbridge HDMI cables and don't recommend Luxmanh, Gemborn and noname cables though it depends on used distance.
And i think 1 error bit of data may affect maximum 1 pixel (every pixel is usually representated by 24 bits), no?
I work fork as a contractor for one of the big tv company's sony, panasonic, samsung, etc. im not saying which one but they were buying mostly the most expensive cables on the market including monster and there were so many bad cables straight from the factory we are talking about $200+ hdmi cables dead on arrival straight from the manufacturer. there isnt a difference between video quality with different hdmi cables. the question is how reliable
@GuyFromMilkyWay What makes you think transmission errors would damage pixels' colors and not the tsunami of control data that is transmitted, such as sync marks, stream container unit headers, etc, etc? It just does not happen. Bad cable? HDMI sync fails. No picture. End of story.
@GuyFromMilkyWay And while it's true that there may be better cables due to shielding, they will only allow it to work over longer distances or more electrically polluted environments (ie in which there's strong electromagnetic fields present). That said, it's not a matter of them looking better or worse. It will alyways be a matter of whether they work or not.
@nutdiablo am I missing something? I am looking through two extra screens obviously, but from here the one on the left looks hella better. What did YOU see when you ran this test and what cable did you use? I ask because you made a decent argument about why expensive is better, but Cnet seems to disagree competely,
Though my classwork tells me that you'd be dumb to ever think that more sheilding on cables isnt better
@raahr Well, If you guy see the left one look better the it is better. What is better or not depend on who seeing it right? And may be your friend are right, but the resolve is in the video. and I'm just using that Thailand made Cable vs the Belkin Cable.
What I'm try to show is it difference, not what is better.
@acidparanoia It could be the difference in metals used, or simply down to which spec they are. The newer spec cables can support far more accurate colour reproduction. Unless you use them side by side though you really won't notice the difference, and the difference will almost always be colours rather than actual image quality. That's easily fixed by changing the colour settings on the display.
I just bought a new LCD TV for £210. It's 31 inches, but when I play on any game on my PS3, I can always feel a slight bit of lag. It's not much, but it's deffinately noticable. Is this normal? And if I buy a HDMI cable, would that fix it? Any feedback is appreciated.
Mysticalmetal 18 hours ago
only thing that wud differ is maby one ore 2 pixels wud hawe the wrong collor
tobak60 1 day ago
What? You mean all those standards for hdmi have been evolving for no reason? Those most retarded response I hear is that cables do not matter. Try and remember the audio is also traveling in that cable. My suggestion to those people that do not understand the science of a cable is to zip the pie hole. Yeah it sure makes a huge difference the longer the run so why is it degrading with distance? At 3/4 the length on a 35 ft length is it the same as a 3 ft cable? Both images are horrid btw.
uaboob 3 days ago
@uaboob all respect, though i think it's plenty possible for different standards to "evolve" and be printed on packaging for only the sake of selling more to consumers looking for the highest number/model number. It's business and marketing, and companies that used to make "high-grade" analog cables are trying to stay viable in a digital market. heard of Sega Genesis' "Blast Processing" ability (i.e. Sonic)? no such thing. until i have bionic eyes i'll stick to short, inexpensive HDMI.
stradlemonkey444 8 hours ago
If you see the video fine, you are seeing the best image you can, chepa or not.
averyaccordion 3 days ago
Also, Static is ONLY for analog TV. if its one bit misses its target that frame, the frame turns black, or black with a few white spots for that frame. The worst that will happen with a bad cable is it cant arry the signal and all frames are BLACK! If ti works, you ARE seeing the FULL RESOLUTION SAME IMAGE as you would with an expensive. It is true, an expensive cable can carry more power, and can be LONGER without breaking the signal, because expensive ones cunduct better...
averyaccordion 3 days ago
He just changed the TV settings to screw with us. If you buy a cheap flash drive, and put a file on it, and get an expensive flash drive and put a file on it, if you take them off, the audio quality of the MP3 file will be EXACTLY the same. It wont lose quality. If something went wrong with the cheap flash drive, the audio quality doesnt get worse, the audio file breaks and gets corrupted.
HDMI cables do NOT get worse with quality. If one bit is off, the frame is off...
averyaccordion 3 days ago
Cheap one is better obviously its cheaper :D
Zer0K3wLL 3 days ago
Do not believe this!! A digital signal is the same no matter what cable you use. Only in very very long runs does a better quality cable help the error rate.
The86rick 3 days ago
It doesnt matter if the cable is cheap or not. Why waste $100 for a HDMI cable?
strikerm70 3 days ago
FAKEEEEEE
Noer477 4 days ago
The cheap HDMI looks better. Too much color saturation on the right screen. Black levels on right are too contrasted. It's not about how bright and vivid your display can be.
JWestTexas 5 days ago
@JWestTexas The cables have nothing to do with it. His picture settings were adjusted. However, if you think that the picture which supposedly represents the cheap cable connection looks superior, please do us all a favor and proceed to kill yourself asap. There's a reason Samsung screens are so popular. Better contrast and higher color saturation levels than most make for a better viewing experience. Anyone who disagrees partakes of the gay action. Thank you for your time.
BrizzyMo 2 days ago
Unless I'm reading wrong, the info clearly states two different TVs
cazrethomas 5 days ago
The only difference between , is the quality of the cable the and how long it will last, the digital signal can not how a degraded picture it is either working or not, the person who made this video
probably sells cable and wants to take advantage or peoples lack of knowledgeable resources , similar to mounting your TV , you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on a mounting system.
rentech68 1 week ago
@rentech68 i agree! however Best Buy doesn't! :)
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
Quality cable matters with an analog signal. Not so much for a digital signal. Digital is either working or it's not. The biggest benefit though is the lifetime warranties offered on brands such as Monster. Other than that just get the cheap $20 cable off Amazon or whatever.
RealHomeRecording 1 week ago
Hi there's no real difference in how the data gets moved from player to the source for to say but what dose affect picture or sound how much data are trying to put through the cable say your outing hd audio and hd video like say a blu ray movie you'll need a cable at least 10 gb in ban with to handle it put cheap vs costly will not affect picture just make sure you get the right data speed
RyanTheMovieGuy101 1 week ago
It does make a difference in quality! Stronger wire leads to longer life, as well as the better the make, the smoother picture will flow, some carry 3D and better picture when a lot don't. Yes length will affect picture and cost, but truly, the data being transferred will always be the same, but the quality can change drastically. Sorry for my terrible grammatically incorrect sentences. Just getting the point across that quality can change. VERY much so.
REMEMBERblackguitar6 2 weeks ago
@REMEMBERblackguitar6 quality doesn't change lol. All HDMI cables will have the same flow and smooth picture. Yes the difference occurs with 3D but those are 1.4 HDMI cables.
shadowtsunami 2 weeks ago
@shadowtsunami i hear ya. i'm aware of what "bandwidth" is. It won't be an issue any time soon for me as I've no desire to go 3D.
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
@stradlemonkey444 me neither lol
shadowtsunami 6 days ago
Reason this is fake: HDMI cables, cheap or not, will not affect color quality or brightness, like would be possible in the analog domain. This is digital, it's either there or it's not. If anything, digital interference would just be breaking up of the picture with random pixel snow.
This is flat out fake.
hakemon 2 weeks ago 12
@hakemon you have idea what you are talking about. HDMI cables do have degradation problems
killingspree 6 days ago
fake and bullshit. Don't believe these bullshits. Cable on digital is only matters on distance where it works or not (no anything between them, it works perfectly or not at all). If a cheap cable not enough for a longer distance( 5 metres+), maybe a quality cable is. Otherwise it's exactly the same!
In digital, with good error checking algorithms (hdmi does have these in specification), there can't be difference in quality per cable, just in working cable length.
sanyigz 2 weeks ago
Does LENGTH of the cable matter? 6 feet vs 20 feet? Can you say that quality will be lost in a 20 foot cable cause it takes longer for the data to feed through from 1 end to the other?
superduperboyx 2 weeks ago
i dont see a diffrence
ELF404 2 weeks ago
@ELF404 That's why a cheap cable is good for you! Us that can buy quality ;)
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
So... is the expensive the better? And, the expensive is the one that have the golden conectors?
Danjey2 2 weeks ago
idk man, I bought a give dollar HDMI off amazon and honestly, it looked worse than my component cables, I guess if your going to buy an HDMI never go below $7.
thumbwar73 2 weeks ago 3
@thumbwar73 I bought 5 dollar cables from frys, and they picture quality is the same as the one my brother gave me. The quality of the cable is the same as well. The only thing you're paying for is how they look and the quality of the cable that's all. $5-$20 anymore than that and you're getting ripped off.
shadowtsunami 2 weeks ago
@thumbwar73 Just going to say, no matter what you sorta get the same cables, I work at best buy and we have our store brand rocket fish . We charge 80$ for the cables retail. However the store pays 3 $ for the cable. (I know because our discount is based off of whole sale)
xtremegamer4696 1 week ago
LOL spend $8 on the cheap HDMI and adjust your color settings on your unit...DUH
sirbrutal 3 weeks ago
either the signal gets there or it does not, there is no interference on a digital signal like there is with analog
DaNsEb1337 3 weeks ago
Even CNet states that they use inexpensive ($7-12, i believe) HDMI cables for all of their HDTV testing and reviews. 1's and 0's are always 1's and 0's.
stradlemonkey444 3 weeks ago 9
@stradlemonkey444 Lol, it's got nothing to do with 1 or 0 but the speed at which you can send them (The bandwidth) not fast enough, not enough colour information, the screen will 'make up' what it thinks should be there (Simplified answer)
Think, using the same amount of wires a V1.0 HDMI cable CANNOT carry a full digital sound multitrack but the new V1.4 can! The difference? Partly the specification for quality in both the copper wires AND the shielding and insulation.
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
@MrSiaynoq how exactly does a screen 'make up' any kind of information it hasn't been fed? i understand a bit of how pull-downs and frame interpolation works (and love my new 60hz Vizio with none of the 120/240+ faking). makes me dizzy and nauseus. cheap soap-opera effect is so unnatural. my brain rejects it even more than 3D.
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
@stradlemonkey444 I'm completely with you with the 'faking' modes etc. "how exactly does a screen 'make up' any kind of information" You have never heard of error correction? Hell it's used through out the digital industry (and no the 'screen' does not the electronics do) I'll give you a very basic example, cut four 5mm slots in a cd (digital info yeah) radiating out from the middle in a cross, play said cd it will (should) play perfectly no jumping etc. con't
MrSiaynoq 6 days ago
con't Why? Error correction, the electronics 'guesstimates' what the information (1 or 0) should be, BUT listen carefully you WILL be able to tell the difference just like with bitrates on an mp3 (320 kbit/s sounds better than 96, MORE information per second) same on your screen, a cheap cable with high resistance will be unable to transmit the required bitrate, quality will drop as the set adds it's own bits to keep up, lose enough and not even that is enough, degradation
MrSiaynoq 6 days ago
@MrSiaynoq cable construction is important as far as if the cable works or doesn't. i've had a couple cheapies with poor molding around the contacts that don't seat right, thus no picture. then i grab another $3 cable that came off the line better and does work. Insulation should play virtually no role: that's analogue cable-speak. Monster's never getting my money.
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
@stradlemonkey444 CNet couldn't tell the difference between a good picture quality and a poor if it hit them in the face! They do not have the full testing capabilities. (Ask em how they calibrate a screen?) Note cheap cables often use poor quality copper wire that degrades over time and/or has too much resistance per metre!
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
@stradlemonkey444 If you use a really low end cable that only supports say 5gb/s rates you may see jitter while watching a 3D blue ray.
xtremegamer4696 1 week ago
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i think i saw a ghostly hand on the expensive side?!! creepy! i'd settle on the cheaper one if that's the case!!!
santisasaudi 3 weeks ago
I saw a difference in color a very obvious difference in color between screen and a difference in detail. IF this is a side by side comparison and the only difference is the cables then it does prove that different cables show a different picture. which is better is subjective and depends on each individual person.
ksaunders3 3 weeks ago
@ksaunders3 Digital is digital. 1010101 is 1010101. A $1 cheap HDMI cable WILL deliver the same 1010101 as a $300 cable.
Now if we are talking analog signal, that would be a different case, otherwise digital is digital. You cannot the quality of 10101's with an expensive cable, which otherwise lots of gullible consumers are led to believe.
iGhost 3 weeks ago
The only difference about HDMI Cable is the version of it ... probably the cheap one can't support the 4K resolution or high bandwidth like the v. 1.4 or it can be the connector plate have some bad connection with the hdmi peripheral ...
but at all ...it's numerical information containing 1 and 0
But Don't freaking buy a cable 50$-90+$ if you can have one for 5$ or less ... if it broke it's doesn't matter to buy a other one 5$.... in total it cost you less then one 50$ cable XD
Burny7b 4 weeks ago
@Burny7b withc I have to say... nobody in the consumer world have 4K TV... at now
Burny7b 4 weeks ago
cheap ftw :D
Veliotic 4 weeks ago
I bought an HDMI cable for $6, it says 1440p on it, idk what it means, but it gives me a 1080p Image which looks amazing compared to 420p xD... So can someone tell me why it said 1440p?
MIKEYEKIMIKEY 1 month ago
@MIKEYEKIMIKEY it means it supports up to 1440p. 1440p is a step above 1080p but hardly anything uses it yet.
innie721 4 weeks ago
@innie721 Theres actually a 1440p? I got to get me on of those tvs xD
MIKEYEKIMIKEY 4 weeks ago
@MIKEYEKIMIKEY i believe only certain computer monitors support 1440p at the moment
Chris51241 3 weeks ago
@Chris51241 I gotta get me on of those... Now Im on the search
MIKEYEKIMIKEY 3 weeks ago
@Chris51241 That would be too small to notice any difference wouldn't it ?
10290gilmore 3 weeks ago
@10290gilmore nope, its usually on the bigger 27" monitors (such as the iMac) and since you usually sit really close to a monitor it is much easier to see the pixels as compared to sitting about 5-15 feet away from your HDTV, the pixels tend to blend together a bit better over the greater distance... so for computer monitors the more pixels the better
Chris51241 3 weeks ago
@Chris51241 Thanks Chris !
10290gilmore 3 weeks ago
Quality mattered in the days of analogue scart. A more expensive, high quality lead with RGB was capable of outputting an image and sound quality vastly superior to cheap composite alternatives. With HDMI this is not the case - a cheap cable will perform as good as an expensive cable.
liveswired 1 month ago
One of the biggest scams is the pricing of HDMI cables. Dishonest companies sell 4 ft cables for $50 at places like Best Buy and Walmart! And people actually buy them!
You can get a perfectly good 6 foot HDMI cable on the net for $6.
ehhhhhhhhhh 1 month ago
I got agold hdmi cable
didzou3 1 month ago
my $15 HDMI cable perform just as good as $100 gold plated super expensive HDMI cable, don't waste your money, better buy many cheap HDMI cable (and you can replace your cable whenever it's broke) rather than buy a single expensive HDMI cable.
declaration963 1 month ago
the most likely cause of the picture difference, if there is any, is either due to the tv settings or the camera settings or both. If the camera's white balance, focus, etc are not exactly the same, (for instance they were probably set on auto) then the pictures won't look the same. besides the fact that you put it on youtube, which has terrible video compression so it's impossible to tell. in fact the video compression may have added to this placebo effect that a better cable = better picture
JacobBeger 1 month ago
well it looks to me that the video on the right side has deeper colors and a tad bit faster pixel mapping most likely due to the bandwidth and the amount of shielding the cables have to offer
beside seeing the deeper colors due to video quality i cannot tell much more but if i had to choose i would take the cable used on the right.
tecobi 1 month ago
@nutdiablo Thanks for putting the video up!! i would just like to say to you and everyone else that Digtal cables send the Signal in 0&1's so you would not get any better performance !!! well a slight improvement but not by far. why companies charge so much is beyond me !!!
what video editor did you use to play this on ? as im sure if it was running from your pc and it's not an high end pc it's going to tax the system and their fore you would lose some quality in the image.
MadStylezuk 1 month ago
Judging from this video I can say that the right one does have better black levels. I'm not sure if its showing less than the one on the left but I like the one on the right. How much did the cable on the right cost( in euros)? thanks.
peelopuu 1 month ago
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Also when you see the system settings for the Xbox 360 and it shows you reference levels: Standard, Intermediate, Expanded. This option affects games and movies. Now my TV is a 1080p HDTV. What option should i take?
Bogeham13 1 month ago
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The cables don't work the picture seems to be the same i tried it on a xbox 360 and i don't know if theres anything wrong with them but my tv is at 60hz and i don't think it supports that but when i change the picture to 1080p it asked me if i want to change to 50hz and i put yes but it stays in 60hz for some reason do you know what i'm meant to do?
Bogeham13 1 month ago
the only difference in cables from cheap to expensive is the data transfer rate
for example i have to different dvi cables and one has fastor bigger bandwidth.
so when buying cables thats the main thing to look for
julianbusty 1 month ago
For my money they both look good to me!
KungFuChess 1 month ago
This reminds me of gold plated connectors that I saw on a fiber optic cable. Yeah you pay more for a higher quality product but the money was spent on something that doesn't make any difference in the performance of the product. You might as well buy a gold box to put it in too.
originalmustangman 1 month ago
The one on the right is very much sharper and has more depth.I use belkins pure blue hdmi leads 10x better than pound land chunky shit!
Ps3reak 1 month ago
I am an Engineer. With analog cabling there is noise interference obviously. With Digital cables there also can be issues, but only over LONG distances. Digital signals are a series of 1's and 0's only so it's too easy for a computer, to tell which is which. Digital cables either work, or they don't. For the most part, hype with better analog cabling vs cheap analog cabling is total nonsense if you are running cables in the living room.
stevenmcnair1897 1 month ago
@stevenmcnair1897 Could it a be a difference in HDMI versions? The latest is 1.4 which supports a higher colour depth.
chevyGamul 1 month ago
well SIMPLE if you get interference on the tv from rf or electrical signals bleeding into unshielded hdmi cable then get a sheilded expensive cables but if you don't have tv issue (snow) then stick with the free hdmi cables from the cable comp. DON'T FIX SOMETHING THATS NOT BROKE BASICALLY, thumbs up if you agree
Tampatec 1 month ago
The only differences an HDMI that cost 50$ vs 25$ is probably distance, maybe you will see their differences using gold coating vs not at like more than 100 feet, but the differences is so small that you might need a computer to analyze it.
quangluu96 1 month ago
Saying movies will look better over a high quality HDMI cable is as much bullshit as saying photos will look better when stored in a high quality hard drive.
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KUTTYAT 3 weeks ago
@KUTTYAT It is, and you'll always be wrong. We're not intending to implement an HDMI device at the electrical level here. We're consumers. At consumer level, digital devices either work perfect, or they don't at all. Whoever says otherwise is full of it.
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KUTTYAT 3 weeks ago
@KUTTYAT You're still wrong. In the digital domain, colors are numbers. There's no chance a NUMBER sent from one end of the cable arrives as another NUMBER on the other end. It just CANNOT HAPPEN.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Seriously dude a NUMBER in this case is 1's and 0's and if you ever went to college for a degree in electronics, you would already know by now that it doesn't matter if the signal is analog or digital, signal attenuation happens in all cases on a transmission line because the real world is not perfect. And if you still don't get it please read some books on DSP(digital signal processing) or go attend a DSP class in your nearby college.
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@tHEuKER and starting point for you would be to go to HDMI official website(hdmi.org) and read what the real creators of HDMI have to say about digital signal quality, attenuation and integrity in cables and how it depends on the cable build quality.i am an electronics engineer and i studied this for 4 years and i know what i am talking about.If you still disagree,then u are pretty ignorant and there is nothing i can do about it
KUTTYAT 3 weeks ago
@KUTTYAT There's no such thing as attenuation in digital signalling. 1 will always be 1 and 0 will always be 0. There's no such thing as a number becoming another. Now, I tend to think you're just a troll, so I'm done with this. Bye!
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Now, I tend to think you're just another stupid and ignorant person. People go to college to learn about these 1's and 0's. I think you never did go to college,. If DSP is that simple, i would have graduated in a year. And by the way a simple Google click will tell you about digital signal attenuation, transmission lines and digital sampling.
KUTTYAT 3 weeks ago
@KUTTYAT Google has saved me so much money in possible college tuition :)
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
@tHEuKER As a Computer Engineering student, I must say that you are wrong. Any digital electronics class will teach you that there can in fact be an intermediate state between 1 and 0. It happens a lot when dealing with latches, since a wrong combination of inputs to the latch (either two 1's or two 0's depending on the latch) will result in an unpredictable output, a condition known as critical racing. That can result in an error in the output.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@fpernice518 Look, I know you love to brag about being an electronics student and all, and I know of the potential problems of transmitting a digital signal, but all of those problems are already taken care of when an electronic device achieves approval and standarization.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER As I've said, we do not live in an ideal world. products are recalled and many engineering projects go awry. Just because something achieves approval doesn't mean the technology is perfect. There will always be imperfections. But what you're trying to convince people of is entirely false and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Please, I'm not arguing about HDMI, I don't watch enough TV to really care about quality. I'm just pointing out the facts about signal transfer.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Again, I couldn't care less about HDMI picture quality. But please don't try to tell me that I'm wrong when you have no idea what you're talking about. It's like a house wife arguing with a civil engineer over the structural integrity of a bridge. The house wife isn't qualified at all in the subject. Please, I'm qualified in this area and you obviously are not, so lets move on.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@fpernice518 Just a question, do games' graphics get worse when you use poor quality SATA cables when installing them? Yea, right...
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER I never said cheap cables are bad, why are you attacking me? I'm just saying that signals dissipate, we do not live in an ideal world, all wires have resistance...cheap or expensive! All I am saying is that your claim that a 1 is ALWAYS a 1 and a 0 is ALWAYS a zero is false because under certain conditions a logic 1 can go below the threshold and become a logic 0 or undefined state unintentionally. I'm not arguing about cable quality, I just want you to see the science.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@fpernice518 Well, duh, I know there's cables with higher resistivity that will over extreme distances make the voltage of an 1 fall to levels that map to 0, but then the cable will STOP TO WORK, ie the TV loses sync and throws "no input signal" at you. As I said, it's MIND-BOGGLINGLY RIDICULOUS to say there can be loss of image quality on a digital data transfer. That's like saying that when your ADSL line quality is bad, pictures on the internet will look washed out.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Thank you for finally admitting that already! Now that that's out of the way, I agree with you, the only other thing I can see that would interfere with the signal is noise. But that's what the insulating rubber covering the wires is for. Generally, the insulation on the cheap cables is plenty sufficient. So can we please stop arguing, I'm on your side. I just don't like people saying that a 1 will ALWAYS be a 1 because that's not true. My argument had nothing to do with HDMI.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@fpernice518 Well, yeah, it can happen, but not over a seemingly working connection. As soon as a transmission medium exhibits the possibility of 0s turning into 1s and viceversa, it all crumbles down and stops working. Therefore, there's NO CHANCE IN HELL a poor quality HDMI cable will cause variations in color tonality.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER I'm just saying that it's possible and shouldn't be ruled out, although unlikely. But the cable wouldn't stop working if that were to happen, it's just strands of copper wire. It would be up to the device itself to determine if the signal is good or not using parity bits or some other safety net.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@fpernice518 You don't get it. First of all, are you aware that visually similar colors are nothing alike binarily? Pure blue and pure yellow are just ONE bit from each other. Changing single random bits will practically NEVER produce similar hues. Then, in the unlikely scenario that a bit was mistransmitted without the channel failing, it would only be for a frame, and not produce a steady picture with consistently wrong colors. I mean, this is ridiculous. You can believe what you like. Cheers!
tHEuKER 2 weeks ago
@tHEuKER What does that have to do with anything...how many times have I said that I AGREE WITH YOU DAMNIT!!! I said that the cheap cables are no better or worse than the expensive ones. All I am saying is that any correction happens within the device itself, not the cable because it's just wire, there is no mechanism to correct the transmission inside the cable itself. You're right, this is ridiculous, you're arguing with someone who agrees with you, it's not a matter of belief, Cheers
fpernice518 2 weeks ago
@fpernice518 Yes they are! They cannot carry the bandwidth required of 1080p AND full digital multitrack surround sound. Period! (And how about taking resistance into account? It does affect PQ!))
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
@MrSiaynoq digital is digital, it works or it does not. Different brands of HDMI cable make no difference on the picture, nor does it make sense from a theoretical point of view on paper. You are living in the days analog inputs where we line in a day of digital.
RockRocky09 2 weeks ago
@RockRocky09 i would not presume who I am or what I do! Question for you. What is the difference between A HDMI v1.0 cable and a V1.4? Why can a v1.4 carry HD soundtrack and a v1.0 NOT? (Hint: BANDWIDTH) Don't bother replying! I'm not in a teaching mood
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
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@RockRocky09 i would not presume who I am or what I do! Question for you. What is the difference between A HDMI v1.0 cable and a V1.4? Why can a v1.4 carry HD soundtrack and a v1.0 NOT? (Hint: BANDWIDTH) Don't bother replying! I'm not in a teaching mood
MrSiaynoq 2 weeks ago
@fpernice518 the 1's and 0's are just digital "on" or "off". it's either "on" or "off". it's how binary works.
stradlemonkey444 6 days ago
@stradlemonkey444 as an engineer I think I know how binary works, I don't need some kid on Youtube to tell me that. The problem I mentioned is that wires have internal resistance. Binary corresponds to voltages. The circuit designer defines what voltages he wants 1 and 0 to be (commonly 5V for 1). However, in order to make the system work, you have to create a range of voltages that are considered 1 and 0 so that some intermediate voltage does not result in an unknown state.
fpernice518 5 days ago
@stradlemonkey444 So the circuit designer will define some threshold (say 5V-3.5V for 1 and 0V-2.5V for 0). Back to resistance, if the wire is long enough or thin enough, the resistance in the wire could potentially create a large enough voltage drop across the wire's internal resistance. By the time the signal reaches it's intended destination, what may have been intended to be a logic 1 is mistakenly read as a logic 0.
fpernice518 5 days ago
@fpernice518 Common sense and book sense is not the same ....so don't judge people by their positions they hold in society ......as i can recall it was so called geniuses like you that said the earth was flat ......and it took a boat full of convicts to prove them wrong.
iGhostmlg 3 weeks ago
@iGhostmlg What are you talking about? This isn't a matter of common sense or book sense. This is the science behind signals, what did science ever have to do with the Church's beliefs on the shape of the world? Science proved them wrong and science is proving tHEuKER wrong too. I use cheap HDMI cables too and I never said they're any better or worse than expensive ones. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. All I'm saying is that signals dissapate over time, cheap cable or not
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Although I've just started my signals and systems class, there can be other factors that affect whether or not a signal is received at the output. Noise is a big factor, also DC voltage tends to drop over long distances (which is the reason why we use AC to deliver power to our homes and DC inside our homes). Not that it matters much going from your cable box to your TV, but over long distances that can add up. Wire has resistance and it builds up, it is not an ideal conductor.
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@fpernice518 When a digital cable fails, everything that passes through it is damaged. What makes you think a HD media stream will still be valid when you're tinkering with its values? Thinking a bad quality HDMI cable will produce washed out colors on your TV is as mind blowingly stupid as thinking a bad hard drive cable will make your JPGs' colors wash out when you copy them to another folder. It just doesn't work that way. Period.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER I don't know why I bother to argue with you. I don't even need a degree to tell you that you're wrong, but that just makes me more qualified to disprove you. You have to realize that an HDMI cable is not just a single piece of wire. In fact there are 19 different wires in every HDMI cable, one for ground, one for +5V, and others for data. If one of those data wires is snipped, the others will work, but the picture (or sound) will be distorted because not all bits are being transferred.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER So yes, just because one signal is disrupted does not mean all others are invalidated. Often the circuit designer will use a parity bit which helps detect errors in signal transmission, but the signal isn't completely invalidated unless such a system is in place in the device. It is not dependent on the wire, it's dependent on the device being used.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER As far as claiming cheap HDMI cables are better or worse than $100 Monster cables, I have no idea what you're talking about. I never made such claims. Hell, I use the cheap $5 ebay cables all the time without a problem. In my opinion, I have not seen much of a difference in picture either. All I was doing was pointing out the science of digital signal processing, something I do not think you are qualified to be talking about.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER We do not live in an ideal world. In ideal circuitry, as I've already mentioned, wires themselves have resistance. Good luck transmitting a small 5V digital signal over a few miles of cable. It's not going to happen. The resistance in the wire is going to dissipate most of that power by the time the signal reaches the other end.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
@tHEuKER Logical 1's and 0's are defined by the circuit designer to be voltages between some threshold. For argument's sake, lets say a logic 1 is any voltage between 3-5V and a logic 0 is any voltage between 0-2V. That leaves 1V for some intermediate state. If you've ever taken high school physics, I'm sure you've analyzed a simple series circuit before. voltage drops across loads in series. That means it is entirely possible for a signal to drop below a logic 1 threshold into a logic 0.
fpernice518 3 weeks ago
I agree with what someone else said, I think youre paying for the build quality and durability of a more expensive HDMI cable, theres not going to be much/if any noticeable difference in Audio/Visual. I was using some cheap HDMI cable and it didn't take long for the thing to fall apart.
HitmanPeTeY 1 month ago
right has deeper colors
TheItalianPerson 1 month ago
Maybe, just MAYBE, the screen on the right is better, but only slightly so and only when you see the white on black letters at the beginning of the video and NOT on the movie later on. Only slight better could be only because of the screen itself and not because of the cable.
aildoux 1 month ago
On my opinion all HDMI are doing the some job as long as they are well treated! The signal that comes from the source is not analog anymore. It is digital. So there is no issue of signal lose or interfierense. The difference makes the TV screen and it's decoder.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE A CHEAP AND A EXPENSIVE CABLE WITH 2 DIFFERENT KIND OF TV SETS!!!!!! YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME SETUP FOR BOTH CABLES!!!!
LEFT915 1 month ago
I bought a new monitor and im currently using the Hdmi it came with. On my Ps3 the settings are set to 1080p but the quality is not great on blu ray and framerate is a bit choppy. Would the Hdmi be the cause of this or do I have to play around with the settings?
RuinedApple 1 month ago
@RuinedApple lcd or plasma?
ahyhijooooo 1 month ago
U all r forgetting about the AUDIO 1/2 of HDMI, plus the life in general of the cables. U can drive yourself nuts trying to find a problem in your home audio/video set up if U have cheap cables of any kind. I go with the best U can afford and as stated try to go with the shorted distance between components. The cheaper the cable audio or video or HDMI can bend and break a lot easier and U can not easily see this anywhere in the cable. Just my 3 cents worth. RD
daviscupone 1 month ago
There will NOT be a difference in picture, the settings on the TV are different thats why colors look deeper on the right. If you buy Monster cables for a lot more then you're an idiot.
ViciousAlienKlown 1 month ago
Yeah i bought a HDMI cable from amazon for like $1.50 and its better than the monster one i had... the ONLY and i mean ONLY difference between any HDMI cables on the market is the speed in which it transmits... so yeah doesnt surprise me that you cant see a difference in the screens
BreezyCheeks1 1 month ago
Turn the brightness and contrast down on 'the left screen and they'll both be the same
:)
Kcon83 1 month ago
Actually the cheap kinda has a lag
TheSuperBSman 1 month ago
EXACTLY THE SAME!
psiddhant 1 month ago
The cheap one I use (<$1) is actually teeny bit BETTER than my expensive one($40+), unless I'm going crazy.
IndianPrince04 2 months ago
LOL i own a $65 dallor HDMI cable i only use it when im viewing in 3D tv or watching a blue ray movies the reason why is because i want the best picture i can get....
My cheap two HDMI cable($11) i got from home depot i use for my Xbox 360 and my Ps3 because i dont really give a shit about quality when i play video games...
Good HDMI- Has better picture, streams images faster ,less lag input and amazing for video games.
Cheap HDMI- You get what you paid for...
5swordmaster 2 months ago
a better hdmi also puts the picture on the tv much faster, a good hdmi is needed for a tv that runs at high hz, mainly for gaming so theres no delay
laxplayer72 2 months ago
So if i have a cheap HDMI cable than how can I see the difference??
TheMrRazor88 2 months ago
imo you would notice diferences in time with the cheaper cables, like in any other a/v application where the material carrying the signal become "dirty" and take away from your viewing , listening enjoyment. oxygen free / goldplating connections arent popular for their prices especially in higher end applications. Aside time, you wouldnt want to have just spent a ton of money on a tv, and or receiver, and have your experience lessened by a cheap cable, it would be the weak link in the chain.
tsnoopyc 2 months ago
i likr the cheap one better.
sanbox242 2 months ago
both look good to me
CALIRACER69 2 months ago
If you cross your eyes it becomes 3D :)
TheNewSawGames 2 months ago 16
i bought an hdmi cable for $3.50 at micorcenter, and i will tell you that $3.50 cable looks as good as the $50 cable my friend has hooked up to his tv.
fruitypebbles904 2 months ago
People seem to forget that these gold plated cables are bottlenecked due to the solder within the circuit boards.
Philmyassin 2 months ago
More expensive cables usually have a larger gauge cable vs the cheaper ones. There can be less crosstalk between pairs. Can you really tell a difference? Slightly. I don't run the cheapest cables...middle of the road is fine. The distance between my 60" monitor and my Anthem Statement D2v processor is 35 feet because it's in a rack on the other side of the room. My two HDMI cables are 6 feet in length. I'm running HDMI over fiber optic for the longer run.
pmgodfrey 2 months ago
*graphics
wandererstrasse 2 months ago
The expensive one is a bit faster then the chaeper HDMI, but there is no different between the grapgics !
wandererstrasse 2 months ago
@wandererstrasse read the comments dumbass
BlueToad2222 2 months ago
NO DIFFERENCE
MariosChannel2011 2 months ago
There is a difference between quality and cheap HDMI because when people have a professional home theater setup, they at times need long HDMI cables to feed around and cheap ones just do not feed that length because they use cheaper material... I always buy the shortest cable possible and only buy from Audioquest. Monster is a rip off and does not have professional wiring or cable..
ibanez0830 2 months ago
increase the saturation on tv 1- problem solved.
tazbo28 2 months ago
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sixmelon 2 months ago
@sixmelon ได้เลยครับ ผมจะไม่พูดหรอกว่าอันไหนดีกว่าผมแค่โชว์ว่ามันต่างส่วนจะชอบอันไหนก็ตามความชอบครับ ผมว่าอันขวามันมืดไปเหมือนกัน.
nutdiablo 2 months ago
i think u only pay for shielding. decent cable £15 to £25 done.. sits there protected and what not.
bravedwarf 2 months ago
@bravedwarf They are quite alot cheaper than that. What I'm trying to tell is "It's difference but not one is better than other. It's up to how you like it.". If you like left one buy one but if you like right one bad for you cuz it's expensive than the left one.
nutdiablo 2 months ago
lets get this straight...HDMI is a digital signal through and through. Meaning that either the signal is getting there or it's not. There is no in between stage like analog. It's all 1's and 0's. The difference here is the color settings from one tv to another. He should show us that the color, hue, saturation are the same. Even then testing the difference over a cheap video camera on youtube is no justification.
liveD83 2 months ago 29
@liveD83 And even if the settings were all the same, and the TVs were identical makes and models, that still doesn't mean the cables are making a difference. The only thing this video tells us is that this guy has two TVs.
cwell2112 2 months ago
@cwell2112 I only got one. I just record the left first, and the right after that and put it too gather.
P.S. It's difference but not one is better than other. It's up to how you like it.
nutdiablo 2 months ago
@liveD83 Oh It's same config from same TV. Every thing is setup at middle.
and Digital can't get error but most of them have and Error Correction so it's not showing.
But HDMI is streaming data without Error Correction so when it got error it's shown.
and 1 error bit of data can effect a lot of pixels on screen after you TV decompress it.
nutdiablo 2 months ago
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@nutdiablo
"Every thing is setup at middle."
That doesn't necessarily mean that they're matched.
Even with two sets of the same brand and model, manufacturing variances will result in differences between the two sets that can directly affect how each set can display an image at a given picture setting.
For optimal comparison, both HDTVs must be calibrated using the same measuring equipment and the same video reference signals.
Watcher3223 1 month ago
@nutdiablo To be exact HDMI is streaming audio with error correction and video without error correction. I recommend Kramer, Monster and Bandbridge HDMI cables and don't recommend Luxmanh, Gemborn and noname cables though it depends on used distance.
And i think 1 error bit of data may affect maximum 1 pixel (every pixel is usually representated by 24 bits), no?
GuyFromMilkyWay 1 month ago 3
@GuyFromMilkyWay
I work fork as a contractor for one of the big tv company's sony, panasonic, samsung, etc. im not saying which one but they were buying mostly the most expensive cables on the market including monster and there were so many bad cables straight from the factory we are talking about $200+ hdmi cables dead on arrival straight from the manufacturer. there isnt a difference between video quality with different hdmi cables. the question is how reliable
mikejbeni 1 month ago
@GuyFromMilkyWay What makes you think transmission errors would damage pixels' colors and not the tsunami of control data that is transmitted, such as sync marks, stream container unit headers, etc, etc? It just does not happen. Bad cable? HDMI sync fails. No picture. End of story.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@GuyFromMilkyWay And while it's true that there may be better cables due to shielding, they will only allow it to work over longer distances or more electrically polluted environments (ie in which there's strong electromagnetic fields present). That said, it's not a matter of them looking better or worse. It will alyways be a matter of whether they work or not.
tHEuKER 3 weeks ago
@nutdiablo am I missing something? I am looking through two extra screens obviously, but from here the one on the left looks hella better. What did YOU see when you ran this test and what cable did you use? I ask because you made a decent argument about why expensive is better, but Cnet seems to disagree competely,
Though my classwork tells me that you'd be dumb to ever think that more sheilding on cables isnt better
raahr 1 month ago
@raahr Well, If you guy see the left one look better the it is better. What is better or not depend on who seeing it right? And may be your friend are right, but the resolve is in the video. and I'm just using that Thailand made Cable vs the Belkin Cable.
What I'm try to show is it difference, not what is better.
nutdiablo 1 month ago
@liveD83 Why is it then, I have 3 HDMI cables, similier prices maybe, but all produce a visually different picture?
acidparanoia 1 month ago
@acidparanoia It could be the difference in metals used, or simply down to which spec they are. The newer spec cables can support far more accurate colour reproduction. Unless you use them side by side though you really won't notice the difference, and the difference will almost always be colours rather than actual image quality. That's easily fixed by changing the colour settings on the display.
TalesOfWar 1 month ago
expensive is better
random12364 3 months ago