@George4943 Which are those "nature's laws"? Is homosexuality part of those "nature's laws" of yours or are we going to have to kill them in the name of nature?
@ladylynnea Dear internet troll, he doesn't have the pretension of being a prophet and does not make predictions in the name of God (that's the meaning of "prophet").
Allah is the Arabic word for God it's a simple translation and its the same god as Christians beliefs in, you should know that. One thing more don't just talk out of your head. There is more historical proof that Jesus walked the earth than Julius Cesar, I wonder why no one criticizes that. So it's not just fairy-tales people make up there is historical proof. I dont believe in any religion either because its a man created system to control people. I am a follower of Yeshua thou. Peace & Love
@Neddeadly "historical proof " What? The few snippets from Roman authors on Christians in Rome? The heavily doctored reports by the collaborator Josephus on popular Jewish myths? And even then, there is zero evidence for all the supernatural claims to his name. And even if *those* were true, the fact that his mother never went to bed with anyone, does not proof anything.
@Neddeadly No, there are no more proof of Jesus than Julius Caesar. You had to go for the big lie. There is zero evidence for a historical Jesus. But lets turn around. If there had been even remotely as much evidence for a historical Jesus as there is for Julius Caesar, then no historian would even doubt the existence of Jesus.
@grisflyt The *majority* of historians accept that Jesus really existed. According to A.N. Sherwin-White, sources for Roman and Greek history are usually biased and removed one or two generations or even centuries from the events they record. For example, the two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years after his death, yet classical historians still consider them trustworthy. The source of 'Mark' is < 20 years after Jesus died.
In fact, Rudolf Pesch, a German expert on Mark, says the Passion source must go back to at least AD 37, just seven years after Jesus’s death. For Sherwin-White, the writings of Herodotus enable us to determine the rate at which legend accumulates, and the tests show that even two generations is too short a time span to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts. He says gospels are too early to be legend; the rate of legendary accumulation would be "unbelieveable."
Actually, adding a time gap of two generations to Jesus’s death lands you in the second century, just when the apocryphal gospels begin to appear. These do contain all sorts of fanciful stories about Jesus, trying to fill in the years between his boyhood and his starting his ministry, for example. These are the obvious legends sought by the critics, not the biblical gospels.
@gmn545 Only a mental retard would compare the overwhelming evidence for a historical Alexander the Great (i.e. collaborating evidence, forensics, etc.) to the total absence of evidence of a historical Jesus. Mark is >30 years. You’re a troll.
@grisflyt Fact remains, the two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years after his death, yet classical historians still consider them trustworthy. So how intellectually dishonest is it to dismiss the gospels as not reliable when they came less than two generations after Jesus' death? "Mark is > 30 yrs" I clearly said the SOURCE of Mark is < 20 years. As the expert on it (Pesch) states, it goes back to at least 37 AD. YOU'RE the troll.
@grisflyt And as to your claim that "If there had been even remotely as much evidence for a historical Jesus as there is for Julius Caesar, then no historian would even doubt the existence of Jesus", sorry but there will always be doubters to historical events. There are historians who deny the Holocaust occured (e.g. Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan, et al), for crying out loud.
@gmn545 Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan are considered mainstream historians? Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan are equivalent to Christian historians. They are idiots.
@grisflyt "are considered mainstream historians?" According to his background info, Barnes was prominent 20th century historian, was held in high academic esteem w/ a PhD from one of the most prestigious universities in the country (e.g. Columbia University). Credibility was only lost when he denied the Holocaust. There are biologists in the world who deny evolution too (i think they're cuckoo but hey, they have legit credentials). But like I said, virtually all historians believe Jesus existed.
@grisflyt As to evidence, heard of Simon Greenleaf? Lawyer from Harvard & jurist who wrote "A Treatise on the Law of Evidence," considered by many the greatest legal volume ever written. He applied the canons of the ancient document rule to establish the authenticity of the gospel accounts (trying to disprove them!). His conclusion was, according to the jurisdiction of legal evidence, the existence of Jesus Christ was unquestionably supported by history. Later on, he converted to Christianity.
@985Riverfox If you take a class on "Religions of the World" you will see that Christianity falls in that category. Everyone has a relationship with God, it's just that Christians are very tribal and childish, by thinking God is against non-Christians. God is not Christian. This "RELATIONSHIP with GOD!" thing is just a slogan to make you feel like your not in a cult, but with all due respect, you are.
@985Riverfox If you take a class on "Religions of the World" you will see that Christianity falls in that category. Everyone has a relationship with God, it's just that Christians are very tribal and childish, by thinking God is against non-Christians. God is not Christian. This "RELATIONSHIP with GOD!" thing is just a slogan to make you feel like your not in a cult, but with all due respect, you are.
Hey, believe what you want; but God spoke to me on March 11th, 2010. And, He told me to believe in Christianity. I was NOT halucinating! I am NOT weak-minded! And, I don't know all of the anti-religion/anti-Christian comments out there. But, I believe in Christianity because God told me too. So, if you want to keep following your own empty lies and go to Hell, that's up to you. Just know that God does love you and He wants to save you. But, in the end, it is up to you.
Honey, I don't believe d lies of religion and I don't care about ur comments about me. I leave comments until u block me.I was voicing my opinion. I kno ur spirit, who u r, I kno d truth about our stolen history. I kno wats goin on in d world. Dis is d rule of d Edomites. But their age is comin to a close. :-D And I'm tossin u Filthy Rag in d trash wer u belong.
Classic Spong as always, and largely a very good video to boot, but.....
Why did you ("Mr. Filthy Rags", or whoever edited the images in this video to Spong's words) show pictures of Obama and his supreme court nominee, when he was clearly talking at the time about specific policy positions of the Bush Administration? Not that Obama doesn't court the fundamentalists as well (among other bad things), but the imagery simply didn't match his words.
Classic Spong as always, and largely a very good video to boot, but.....
Why did you ("Mr. Filthy Rags", or whoever edited the images in this video to Spong's words) show pictures of Obama and his supreme court nominee, when he was clearly talking at the time about specific policy positions of the Bush Administration? Not that Obama doesn't court the fundamentalists as well (among other bad things), but the imagery simply didn't match his words.
Excellent video! I watched the talk given by Bishop Spong that this video was based on, which is a great talk, however, I must say your video made the talk even more accessible. Thanks for taking the time to create it.
This is partly why I chose Eastern Orthodoxy as a denomination (not that this has it's hands completely free, eg Serbs in the Yugoslav war) - it didn't go round the world massacring people, and in fact was on the receiving end (4th Crusade of 1204, expansion of Islam, repression under Soviet Union etc) of a lot of persecution.
@Joerexia : Hey now, how was he supposed to differentiate the Jews from the Egyptians? It's not like he had supernatural knowledge or anything... so they marked the door posts so that Moses... I mean.. the angel of death could kill all the egyptian children... lol
Did you edit this from a couple of his lectures? Spong finally got it right.. 9/11 was a response to U.S. and Weatern involvement in the Middle East -- US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, the overthrow of Mossadegh etc. In other words, it was a political act. Religion was the form of its expression.
It also sounds like you slowed down his voice, tempo-wise. It sounds much slower than his usual talking pace.
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I like Spong, but your video is a little disingenuous because you should be showing Bush, not Obama since the speech was given in 2008.
ofunneo 3 months ago
@ofunneo actually, it's even earlier 2005 - 2006
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ofunneo 3 months ago
wish this person had a british accent
Joaquin546 3 months ago
@Joaquin546 : lol, yeah that way he would sound smarter... lmao
(SMH)
mrfilthyrags 3 months ago
That's step 1. To realize that tribal religions suck. "Tribal" means there is an in-group and an out-group. Only a Universal religion could work.
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Take step 2. We already have the Universal revelation; we call them nature's laws.
George4943 3 months ago
@George4943 Which are those "nature's laws"? Is homosexuality part of those "nature's laws" of yours or are we going to have to kill them in the name of nature?
grisflyt 2 months ago
@ladylynnea Dear internet troll, he doesn't have the pretension of being a prophet and does not make predictions in the name of God (that's the meaning of "prophet").
pedroamaralcouto 4 months ago
are there national geophraphic series about judaism on youtube?
esraretin 4 months ago
Well done!
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@ladylynnea btw your mom is a false prophet. Bishop Spong is a genius.
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This is the last guy who should be talking about this.
rorshakks 5 months ago
Allah is the Arabic word for God it's a simple translation and its the same god as Christians beliefs in, you should know that. One thing more don't just talk out of your head. There is more historical proof that Jesus walked the earth than Julius Cesar, I wonder why no one criticizes that. So it's not just fairy-tales people make up there is historical proof. I dont believe in any religion either because its a man created system to control people. I am a follower of Yeshua thou. Peace & Love
Neddeadly 5 months ago
@Neddeadly "historical proof " What? The few snippets from Roman authors on Christians in Rome? The heavily doctored reports by the collaborator Josephus on popular Jewish myths? And even then, there is zero evidence for all the supernatural claims to his name. And even if *those* were true, the fact that his mother never went to bed with anyone, does not proof anything.
TomFynn 5 months ago
@Neddeadly No, there are no more proof of Jesus than Julius Caesar. You had to go for the big lie. There is zero evidence for a historical Jesus. But lets turn around. If there had been even remotely as much evidence for a historical Jesus as there is for Julius Caesar, then no historian would even doubt the existence of Jesus.
grisflyt 2 months ago
@grisflyt The *majority* of historians accept that Jesus really existed. According to A.N. Sherwin-White, sources for Roman and Greek history are usually biased and removed one or two generations or even centuries from the events they record. For example, the two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years after his death, yet classical historians still consider them trustworthy. The source of 'Mark' is < 20 years after Jesus died.
gmn545 1 month ago
In fact, Rudolf Pesch, a German expert on Mark, says the Passion source must go back to at least AD 37, just seven years after Jesus’s death. For Sherwin-White, the writings of Herodotus enable us to determine the rate at which legend accumulates, and the tests show that even two generations is too short a time span to allow legendary tendencies to wipe out the hard core of historical facts. He says gospels are too early to be legend; the rate of legendary accumulation would be "unbelieveable."
gmn545 1 month ago
Actually, adding a time gap of two generations to Jesus’s death lands you in the second century, just when the apocryphal gospels begin to appear. These do contain all sorts of fanciful stories about Jesus, trying to fill in the years between his boyhood and his starting his ministry, for example. These are the obvious legends sought by the critics, not the biblical gospels.
gmn545 1 month ago
@gmn545 Only a mental retard would compare the overwhelming evidence for a historical Alexander the Great (i.e. collaborating evidence, forensics, etc.) to the total absence of evidence of a historical Jesus. Mark is >30 years. You’re a troll.
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@grisflyt Fact remains, the two earliest biographies of Alexander the Great were written by Arrian and Plutarch more than 400 years after his death, yet classical historians still consider them trustworthy. So how intellectually dishonest is it to dismiss the gospels as not reliable when they came less than two generations after Jesus' death? "Mark is > 30 yrs" I clearly said the SOURCE of Mark is < 20 years. As the expert on it (Pesch) states, it goes back to at least 37 AD. YOU'RE the troll.
gmn545 1 month ago
@grisflyt And as to your claim that "If there had been even remotely as much evidence for a historical Jesus as there is for Julius Caesar, then no historian would even doubt the existence of Jesus", sorry but there will always be doubters to historical events. There are historians who deny the Holocaust occured (e.g. Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan, et al), for crying out loud.
gmn545 1 month ago
@gmn545 Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan are considered mainstream historians? Harry Elmer Barnes, David Hoggan are equivalent to Christian historians. They are idiots.
grisflyt 1 month ago
@grisflyt "are considered mainstream historians?" According to his background info, Barnes was prominent 20th century historian, was held in high academic esteem w/ a PhD from one of the most prestigious universities in the country (e.g. Columbia University). Credibility was only lost when he denied the Holocaust. There are biologists in the world who deny evolution too (i think they're cuckoo but hey, they have legit credentials). But like I said, virtually all historians believe Jesus existed.
gmn545 1 month ago
@grisflyt As to evidence, heard of Simon Greenleaf? Lawyer from Harvard & jurist who wrote "A Treatise on the Law of Evidence," considered by many the greatest legal volume ever written. He applied the canons of the ancient document rule to establish the authenticity of the gospel accounts (trying to disprove them!). His conclusion was, according to the jurisdiction of legal evidence, the existence of Jesus Christ was unquestionably supported by history. Later on, he converted to Christianity.
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@ladylynnea You can't handle the truth!
Vierotchka 6 months ago
And, Christianity is NOT a RELIGION! It is a RELATIONSHIP with GOD!
985Riverfox 6 months ago
@985Riverfox If you take a class on "Religions of the World" you will see that Christianity falls in that category. Everyone has a relationship with God, it's just that Christians are very tribal and childish, by thinking God is against non-Christians. God is not Christian. This "RELATIONSHIP with GOD!" thing is just a slogan to make you feel like your not in a cult, but with all due respect, you are.
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@985Riverfox If you take a class on "Religions of the World" you will see that Christianity falls in that category. Everyone has a relationship with God, it's just that Christians are very tribal and childish, by thinking God is against non-Christians. God is not Christian. This "RELATIONSHIP with GOD!" thing is just a slogan to make you feel like your not in a cult, but with all due respect, you are.
ChadWork1 5 months ago
Hey, believe what you want; but God spoke to me on March 11th, 2010. And, He told me to believe in Christianity. I was NOT halucinating! I am NOT weak-minded! And, I don't know all of the anti-religion/anti-Christian comments out there. But, I believe in Christianity because God told me too. So, if you want to keep following your own empty lies and go to Hell, that's up to you. Just know that God does love you and He wants to save you. But, in the end, it is up to you.
985Riverfox 6 months ago
@mrfilthyrags I disagree, but it was interesting to listen to him. And I am not sorry for MY befiefs.
ladylynnea 6 months ago
Honey, I don't believe d lies of religion and I don't care about ur comments about me. I leave comments until u block me.I was voicing my opinion. I kno ur spirit, who u r, I kno d truth about our stolen history. I kno wats goin on in d world. Dis is d rule of d Edomites. But their age is comin to a close. :-D And I'm tossin u Filthy Rag in d trash wer u belong.
itzsunshine1211 6 months ago
Wow!!! Bishop Spong is incredible.
brentduanefoster 7 months ago 2
BRILLIANT!!!! I lean more towards LaVeyan "Satanism" myself but I can totally get behind this Spong fellow!!
WTWASP 7 months ago
Classic Spong as always, and largely a very good video to boot, but.....
Why did you ("Mr. Filthy Rags", or whoever edited the images in this video to Spong's words) show pictures of Obama and his supreme court nominee, when he was clearly talking at the time about specific policy positions of the Bush Administration? Not that Obama doesn't court the fundamentalists as well (among other bad things), but the imagery simply didn't match his words.
amyx28 7 months ago
Classic Spong as always, and largely a very good video to boot, but.....
Why did you ("Mr. Filthy Rags", or whoever edited the images in this video to Spong's words) show pictures of Obama and his supreme court nominee, when he was clearly talking at the time about specific policy positions of the Bush Administration? Not that Obama doesn't court the fundamentalists as well (among other bad things), but the imagery simply didn't match his words.
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graymatter247 8 months ago
Excellent video! I watched the talk given by Bishop Spong that this video was based on, which is a great talk, however, I must say your video made the talk even more accessible. Thanks for taking the time to create it.
Beausmithftl 8 months ago
This is partly why I chose Eastern Orthodoxy as a denomination (not that this has it's hands completely free, eg Serbs in the Yugoslav war) - it didn't go round the world massacring people, and in fact was on the receiving end (4th Crusade of 1204, expansion of Islam, repression under Soviet Union etc) of a lot of persecution.
whyteay 8 months ago
THIS IS AWSOME!!!!!!! everyone share this on facebook NOW!!!!!!!!
Tomshelton25 9 months ago
my mind has been blown
helgun88 11 months ago 4
Great stuff. And nicely put together. Thanks, MrFR
GetMeThere1 1 year ago 2
Yeah, the angel of death can be something of a ditz.
Joerexia 1 year ago
@Joerexia : Hey now, how was he supposed to differentiate the Jews from the Egyptians? It's not like he had supernatural knowledge or anything... so they marked the door posts so that Moses... I mean.. the angel of death could kill all the egyptian children... lol
mrfilthyrags 1 year ago
might be alittle off topic, but the image at 11:23 is the coolest Angel of Death ever.
archanfel650 1 year ago
@archanfel650 : LOL, I thought so too...
mrfilthyrags 1 year ago
Excellent video. Good collection of images. I have a lot of time for Shelby Spong
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
Did you edit this from a couple of his lectures? Spong finally got it right.. 9/11 was a response to U.S. and Weatern involvement in the Middle East -- US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, the overthrow of Mossadegh etc. In other words, it was a political act. Religion was the form of its expression.
mageorge1955 1 year ago
@mageorge1955 : This is an excerpt from "God in the 21st Century: Bishop John Shelby Spong at UO"
you can type that into the search field here on youtube to find it.
In it's entirety the message is about an hour long.
mrfilthyrags 1 year ago
@mrfilthyrags Thank you very much indeed. Good work.
mageorge1955 1 year ago 2
A bishop that speaks the truth...
Fastlan3 1 year ago 4
A voice, crying out in the wilderness, "Come to your senses!!"
puncheex 1 year ago 2
Great, thank you very much.
Wesinhuman 1 year ago 12
Freaking awesome. Every religious person should have to see this. But god would only harden their hearts like he did Pharoah's.
accent77 1 year ago 18