Hydrogen: Water Wars & hydrogen's effects on weather

[stevensrd1]

Wells come to mind, drunk from them for years, nature gives the water for free from the skies. Sure in some places there is little rain,,but in most places there is more then enough rain and ways to even filter it if yours is as they say like acid rain. But most well water is not like acid rain, and there are ways to get it directly from the air with some proper setups.

[sgwbyyy]

Water... on this planet has been here for 4,000,000,000 years none has been added none has been takin away.....".it a cycle".

[harvinsi]

Its cool to have great dreams and ideas about what could be possible. We would be nowhere without those dreams. But you can't just be like "Well I'll just do my job of influencing public policy and getting funding for this project, then someone will implement it." The marvel of our modern existence was brought to us via scientists, engineers, and technically skilled elbow greasers. Become one if you want to do the most good. Just reading about technology in lay terms doesn't fully clue you in.

[harvinsi]

Anyways man you're jumping to too many topics which require a technical discussion to really make a valid point. You can't just run wild mentioning every single thing on the stereotypical environmental agenda. One thing I'll address because it interests me is solar power, which I also think is going to be our energy future. However we are nowhere near having the technology for some kind of global power grid infrastructure. We can only move electricity a couple hundred miles tops.

[harvinsi]

this is caused by global warming/climate change.

C Las Vegas has a dessert climate like it always has, people waste the Colorado River water to grow grass it a place that it shouldn't be growing, but that does not mean that there has been a local atmospheric change or that it rains more now.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

I have noticed information once easily found on the internet in the 90s simply does not exist anymore. Right now this is only one piece of info. Place this after youtube (dot) com above in the address bar.

/watch?v=klOhwR5h_Aw

This video shows all the under water fault lines & under water volcanoes. This boils the water & you know what happens with water vapor & changing jet streams. Let me know if you can't get the video to work

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

Solar activity does cause global warming & the heating of the oceans as well

/watch?v=Cl4Pz1mwBao

I have read elsewhere that humans only contribute to 3% of global warming but there is proof that earth warmed, cooled & changed suddenly far before cars were ever invented. The video above reveals this & Mammoths found in Siberia had tropical vegetation still in their digestive tract so some events were sudden.

[harvinsi]

which could, who knows, create more El Ninos. Honestly it doesn't look like either of us, and especially not the maker of this video knows enough about this to make valid speculations. Thats all I'm saying. I just looked at wiki and a couple other sources and I don't see anything about a heating of the ocean floor; the consensus seems to be that no one knows the originating mechanism, but there has been an increase in El Nino events in the past couple decades and perhaps --------->

[harvinsi]

Then later on, the hydrogen combusts when it rejoins atmospheric Oxygen, releasing energy and reforming water, in whatever application (engine, battery, etc). So no, the hydrogen which was so expensive to attain is not released into the atmosphere. Water is simply reformed and the water cycle on the planet would not be changed. Even the experts aren't sure what causes El Nino, and this video randomly asserting that "hydrogen evaporation" will cause a similar effect... give me a break.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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You are over complicating the term "Hydrogen evaporation". It is the simplest term to explain the processes involved. It does not take a rocket scientist to observe the tail pipe of an hydrogen automobile to see water drip from the tail pipe as well as a steam vapor like a tea kettle spewing water vapor into the air...

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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I'm not sure which scientists you refer to that don't know what causes El Nino's but other scientists have documented the cause. It's a heating of the ocean floor which causes evaporation which then gets caught up into the jet stream. Lacking this knowledge would make this video difficult to understand. that's why this water evaporation from hydrogen cars will duplicate the El Nino affect.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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Lets break this down a little more. You are aware of the natural water cycle on earth.

Since we collect water from streams & suck it from wells to water lawns or crops we humans have an affect on nature & weather patterns. Las Vegas was originally desert but mankind has altered the the climate & air moisture continues to rise in Vegas as more lawns go in. Nuclear power plants pump large amounts of steam that get caught up into the jet stream...

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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If you actually study the El Nino, heating of the ocean etc you will see that any steam pumped into the air by nature or by man is caught up into the jet stream, carried to other locations where it accumulates then dumps it all in one location.We humans affect this planet far more than we know from the particulates we pump into the air to the water we boil to the accumulation of intestinal gasses, yes, intestinal gasses. In mass it all has an effect yet the planet works to stabilize

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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Sometimes the stabilization process of earth is violent & makes it difficult to live on the surface.It almost seems as if by design, as if a living intelligent organism attempting to rid itself of an ever growing parasitic infection called humans.The more we disrupt it the more violent it becomes. The late1980s was a severe weather period that left many thinking it was end of days. It's calmed since & was tied to El Nino.I have many video tapes & a TimeLife of the relentless storms.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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As we continue to populate & dominate the planet there is much that can be done to further dominate the planet & make life even better. As is we have oil pipe lines crossing the earth. All we need are water pipe lines to suck water from rivers that flood & move it to rivers that dry up. Simply the transfer of water where it is in over abundance to supply where it is needed. It can be done & should have already been done.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

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This is off topic but solar can power night & day if all homes globally had solar panels & were all tied into one grid then ares where the sun shines it powers the world grid supplying power where the sun is not shinning, even using old solar technology. The new solar still in the lab will easily make this possible. We have the technological means to jump 1000yrs into the future but we don't make it happen although Japan is leading the way.

[harvinsi]

@GlobalAwareness2525 I don't entirely know about El Nino so I don't wanna argue technically about that, but from what I've read it appears that it is caused by a change in trade wind patterns which in turn change ocean current patterns; disrupting sea life and causing rain/droughts in unusual areas. Water vapor is a very strong greenhouse gas, much stronger than CO2, so could lot of it affect surface temperatures? No doubt. It would probably have only local effects --------->

[harvinsi]

Haha I just watched it again. "Hydrogen evaporation en masse will cause an effect more severe than El Nino", it says. This is all wrong. "Hydrogen evaporation" doesn't even make sense. Heres how the technology works. Water is H2O. We input energy into the water to split the molecular bonds and get hydrogen. Oxygen is released into the air. (as a side note, that is the main reason hydrogen is not feasible, you need another energy source just to get it.)

Continued---->

[harvinsi]

You have a point that there could be flooding in urban areas due to widespread hydrogen combustion. But the video doesn't even mention that. Anyway I don't think hydrogen is a feasible idea, but that's because of severe engineering impracticalities, and not because its going to suck up or jack up the price of everyone's drinking water.

[harvinsi]

First of all if people living right next to a major lake can't afford water, its because they are poor, not because water is ridiculously expensive. The areas that are facing "real" water shortage are those that derive their water from the Colorado River which is drying up; i.e. LA, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

If hydrogen power becomes abundant, more than likely ocean water would be used, then the hydrogen would be contained, or used to make fuel cells, then shipped to its destination.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

Lake water is not drinkable. Bacteria levels will likely kill you. In the big city they also face weed killers, insecticides, pesticides & other pollutants. Water must be treated. If you don't believe me then try drinking lake water for a month... or even for a few days and see if you don't spend most of your time on the toilet... Oh wait... your water was shut off and you've got the runs. Not too pleasant a situation.

[harvinsi]

"People in Detroit had their water shut off for not paying their bills". Are you kidding? Whats surprising about that?

Privatisation? Look, you're either going to pay the government to deliver your fresh water, or someone thats not the government.

Where does it even mention hydrogen except in one sentence relating it to El Nino? Was this supposed to be about hydrogen power/hydrogen fuel cells? This video seems like one of the most ignorant pieces of liberal propaganda I have ever seen.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

Either this piece is ignorant or the one viewing it lacks enough intelligence to comprehend the message. Lets see if I can simplify so that you can understand it.

1. What is the ingredient used to make hydrogen? Water. In a future world of hydrogen cars water replaces oil, price goes up.

2. 40,000 people had their water cut off. The point isn't the non payment aspect but the focus is that 40,000 people could not afford water. How many households would that be in your neighborhood?

[GlobalAwareness2525]

@harvinsi

You must have been multi tasking while watching this video. People who multi task think they can do many things very well, It has been proven that people who multitask do a lot of things poorly. It's obvious this is not about fuel cells or power, come on man, Pay Attention!!! Watch it until it absorbs. Water (hydrogen) is the fuel of the future, how much will you pay for water or hydrogen? Burning hydrogen on a mass scale will cause mass flooding & severe weather. That's the message.

[harvinsi]

@GlobalAwareness2525 I'm open to what you have to say and perhaps I did not fully see what the video was getting at. They are saying that the water for the hydrogen will now be a large market and will become expensive. I think the reason it didn't hit me is because from an engineering standpoint that makes such little sense that I didn't consider this to be their message. So the video still seems just as ignorant. I'll explain why.

[bitskeptic]

From what you have shown here there is a correlation between el Nino and massive weather changes but little effort to establish a link between hydrogen production and the potential effect on El Nino - merely a statement. Sorry - I don't buy it from what you have presented.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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You missed the point entirely.

There is no correlation of hydrogen production & the CAUSE of El Nino.

But once the ocean has been heated (that is the cause of El Nino), moisture rises into the air then if all cars, planes & factories etc used hydrogen there is no arguing that the added moisture in the air would rise into the jet streams increasing the El Nino effect.

Or

Mass use of hydrogen will cause El Nino type storms.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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What I don't know is that when the Oceans heat up & cause excessive evaporation then just how much water is that?

Now take all of the worlds cars, trucks, planes, etc, make them hydrogen, they run non stop globally . It is a fact they emit heated water vapor, a fact the vapor will rise into the air & a fact the jet streams will carry the moisture, so how much water vapor will the world's machines emit? Will they emit the same amount as an El Nino event? I think they will.

[bitskeptic]

The problem I have is that you present this as a Hydrogen Reality check. Right now the same thermal energy is being used to expel toxic, global warming chemicals into the atmosphere from the exhaust pipes of cars and industry smokestacks. Certainly there is heat in hydrogen exhaust but from my limited understanding I did not think that expelled heat or water vapor is the main issue, rather the gases, such as methane, (animal waste), CO2 and hydrocarbons that increase the greenhouse effect.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Yes. Very good point, but research the global warming lie. It's true CO2 & hydrocarbons increase the greenhouse effect but Al Gore lies & misrepresents the data in order to generate more tax dollars. Listen to other science sources & they report that us humans only produce something like 2% of all the CO2 that the earth naturally puts into the atmosphere. CO2 historically rises many yrs following sun spots. The sun triggers earth CO2, historically earth heats then cools,all before cars existed

[bitskeptic]

Surely you do not disagree that global warming exists? After - all the snows on Mount Kilimanjaro are gone and the glaciers are melting along with many other indicators make this a fact in my mind. Also I find little disagreement that petrochemical bi-products do contribute to global warming. So the question then becomes to what extent; i.e. how much is man-made? You are saying around 2% - although I think that the people posing your same argument are saying about 2.9% - almost 3%.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Im not suggesting that hydrocarbons are better, oil spills & pollution have risen the acid PH levels in the ocean. See what happens to a fish tank when the acid levels rise. The fish get sick & die. This is what we are doing to the ocean life. Study what happens when the human goes into an acid PH or acidosis, that will kill the human. Hydrogen will save the planet but my point is it will be a wetter planet, more cloud cover, floods & less sun. We might cause global cooling, maybe an ice age.

[bitskeptic]

And surely there is no thought that global warming is a good thing. So instead of impuning Gore's motives let's simply look at the issue this way: We can either choose to do everything we can to stop it or not. Then we have 4 possible outcomes. 1) Global warming is not real - and we try to stop it: We loose the economic investment in trying to stop it. 2) Global Warming is real and man has a role and we try to stop it. If we succeed we save the planet.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Over time hurricanes & devastating weather have been on the rise. The only view was on El Nino but as populations rise so do nuclear power plants. The plants near oceans use cool water in from the ocean, as the cool water hits the rods they spew steam into the & the hot water flushes back into the Ocean, we contribute to the warming of the oceans & likely already contribute to the evaporation that increases storm activity

[bitskeptic]

Continuing: Global Warming is not real and we take no action - no economic loss, no disaster but the forth one is the killer: Global Warming is real, humans have a role and we do nothing: The outcome - a catastrophe rivaling anything in history. To me the choice is clear: Do everything in our power to stop global warming whether our contribution is 2% or 20%. The cost of not acting could affect all future generations profoundly and negatively.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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In semi-contradiction to my previous statements Pollution particulates (volcanic ash, forest fires & man made) do rise into the air & can cause sun light to reflect the sun dimming the earth plus trapping the heat. The more particulates there are the more it rains as moisture gathers on these particulates. There are many factors involved here. Perhaps more moisture & less particulates might not cause the flooding I suggest but increased evaporation & adding particulates means massive flooding

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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The very people who control the government control the media & control what you see.

Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, etc etc etc, lie after lie. To understand you must clear your mind. Realize that scientist argue with each other. I have been hearing this since the 70s. By the 1990s science & media said all of coastal US will be under water, another group says Ice age. Why? Why do they argue? They are all scientists so why don't they all say the same thing? I'll explain

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Let's say that you & I are in a gymnasium & you watch me turn the furnace up to 95 degrees. What would be your prediction of how hot that building will be within the next 2 hours? 95 degrees right? but while your focus is on the furnace you were unaware that the air conditioner is also on. This is what scientists do. Climate is extremely complex, you must not focus only on warming factors but cooling factors as well. The planet fluctuates & readjusts

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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When the planet warms it goes into a heat cycle. As polar ice caps melt, the vegetation beneath the ice emits methane. This is now occurring. This methane will emit double the amount of CO2 that is in the air now. This means further warming, more evaporation then equates into more clouds cooling the planet. Eventually a cooler planet means increase snow fall over the next several hundred yrs then the ice caps will rebuild

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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I looked up climactic changes in my own State. It's reported that temperatures have risen 2°F in the hottest months although The highest temperature recorded in Colorado is 118°. This record high was recorded on July 11, 1888 in Bennett. What caused this record high, a bean festival, or natural climactic fluctuations in temperature?

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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in 1998 the official low temperature plummeted to -19 degrees at Denver International Airport. The coldest temperature on record for Dec. 15 was -6 degrees, last set in 1951.

What is happening here are major swings in temperature

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Parts of Colorado and Wyoming were engulfed in a record-setting blizzard between March 18 & 19, 2003. The Rocky Mountains were hammered with as much as 87 inches (7.25 feet) of snow in places, and Denver received about 30 inches.

Arctic ice is relocating. Colorado has become a wetter climate. Growing seasons are increasing which means a greener planet, more food & some places where growing could not be done are now able to grow food but it's these major fluctuations have scientists arguing

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Don't forget, Greenland used to be green & plush 800,000 yrs ago.

Siberia was a tropical climate. What do you suppose caused climate change 800,000 yrs ago? Were the Kings clever enough to tax people for farting cows? I doubt it but the human masses aren't any smarter today than the tribal cave man of old... Tax on cow farts? LOL, LOL, LOL.

Tax on human farts someday soon? LOL.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Watch the vid "Magnetic Storm" by Nova the science channel

Something huge is going to happen on this planet. Earths magnetic field is weakening. This field weakening is said to affect the ionosphere allowing space radiation onto the planet. Scientists believe the earth is about to reverse polarity where N becomes S. Some say it will be uneventful, others see it as cataclysmic but the event is factual, has happened before, will happen again.

Watch the vid "Magnetic Storm"

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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It takes years to pour over all of the scientific information, like I said, it is extremely complex & computer models only provide outcome based on the information entered into it which reverts back to my example of the Gymnasium thermostat. Unless all the worlds information is entered into the model then it simply will not be accurate because if you did not enter the air conditioner information on global warming then your outcome will be wrong

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

to bitskeptic

Why is your channel devoid of normal youtube activity such as favorites or uploaded videos yet you created it in 2007?

Are you considered what people call a troll?

Do you get paid to harvest comments from people for other articles or websites?

[bitskeptic]

If you spend too much time dreaming up conspiracies you start actually believing them. I was interested in the electric car video (did you do that one??) and somehow came across this one. I usually don't comment or rate them - but your hydrogen reality check seemed off track to me. Anyway I'm not sure what "people call a troll" means other than it appears a pejorative. As to getting paid - I wish.. No -neither of your fears about me are true - just someone who is curious - nothing more..

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Actually most people are ignorant of what happens in the world around them & most don't want to know even when I present them the hard core reality, not made up fantasy but real life. Fact is Trolls prey on news forums, chat rooms, & other online communities. Their purpose: to disrupt any conversation or thread, & to get an emotional response from people. Jason Fortuny is the most famous troll in America. He was interviewed in the New York Times on August 3, 2008.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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Fortuny's passion for pushing people's buttons made him the most prominent troll on the Internet. The suicide of a teenage girl highlights another type of troll. A deadly troll, sometimes called a cyberbully, took on a fake identity and seduced a vulnerable girl in MySpace. When the troll was sure she had fallen in love with the fake identity she (this woman posed as a man) broke up with the girl and said terrible things to her.

It was more than Megan Meier could stand and she killed herself

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

C

This channel used to be a hot spot for Trolls, I engaged them in endless conversation I finally began to ask point blank questions. At one time I lead people to a website with an email to my servers. I opened an email and my computer crashed. I used a back up computer to get back into the conversation & the one guy said, Oh I see your servers are back up, I asked him point blank, "so you crashed my computer?" then he disappeared. The other person said we are trying to crash your mind. Trolls.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

D

If you would actually study the world around you it would make you sick to your stomach to discover what you consider Conspiracy theory is actually conspiracy fact, News anchor Dan Rather since 1960 said recently that most conspiracies turned out to be true. The courts jail people all of the time, conspiracy to murder, conspiracy to defraud etc

But your channel is suspicious, you are not a normal youtuber, no favorites etc just like a troll that uses empty channels.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

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There are also paid political trolls. They actually get paid to surf through online communities and disrupt meaningful conversations, study it for yourself & the next time someone tells you something crazy it is not that they are crazy but life & events that take place are crazy, you just choose to ignore reality & that is a normal human reaction to avoid stress & worry.

[seaplaneguy1]

Water will be part of the right solar power system that EVERY car will have... Air has water in it...and you will get water...distilled as part of power.

The least cost distillation is vapor compression distillation. We need to provide equipment to all...just like cell phones.

I see a world with LOTS of clean water.

Energy and water will be cheap if innovation will come to be. Collectivism will not work.

Stop the fear. Build a great future.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

That's right. There are water distillers that capture the water out of the air but I wonder how much it costs to run, I wonder that if the air is polluted then perhaps the water molecules in the air is likely polluted as well & seems so would the water from such a distiller. I also wonder that if every home & office collected drinking water in this manner thus removing all moisture from the air would dry out the climate making the mass use of such devices inoperable.

[seaplaneguy1]

global2525,

The distillation process removes all pollutants...totally clean...ain't get any better than that...

Dry out climate??...never happen with a trillion people on the planet. 70% of the planet is covered with water...there is plenty for all. Stop the worry, and work on solutions. Fear is unproductive.

[MRJOSEPHKING1971]

yes i seen the floods first hand my river runs 5 to7 foot deep in 2008 a year after wis dells lost a whole LAKE we had a 500 year flood to a depth of 12 feet.one sub devision was made un inhabitable thats just my town 25 neiboring towns one had water 3 foot over its damm it stayed high for a month we had carp swimming in 3inches of water on main street this year were frozen a month early so FGE your post hits home 5 stars to ya

[GlobalAwareness2525]

This is FreeGlobalEnergy replying to you. Youtube has blocked me out of my channel until Dec 3rd due to some vindictive people. I hope to get back in to post a video to steer people to my new channel where I will repost my videos. One more hit & this entire channel is down...

[GlobalAwareness2525]

The interesting thing about the weather is there are multiple things taking place all at once. Sun spots causes global warming. Emissions do cause a green house effect but supposedly on a small scale. Also there is a dimming of the sun or global cooling. In the 80s scientists argued we were going to slip into an ice age while others said we would slip into global warming & did not know which...

[GlobalAwareness2525]

so I said to the tv, how about wild swings of both, extremes in the summer & extremes in the winter & I saw that play out. Other factors are man's interference with the weather, China shoots missiles into the air to force the rain out of clouds. I have not yet studied if or how this affects things on a global scale & I wonder if HAARP is a weather device capable of many things such as weather, triggering earth quakes etc.

[GlobalAwareness2525]

What I am doing right here has got me in trouble. Ignorant people think this is spamming, it's not. Spamming is the exact same words over & over & over again. These are successive paragraphs not the same words repeated & I got in trouble for "spamming" my own channel, amazing! so now I need to build this as my main channel & use another disposable channel just to reply to people as I can never say what I want to in a single paragraph

[BickeyMan]

Use Salty ocean water.

[3rdKrypton]

This is good, no doubt. But I think you don't know how our HAARP or other nations' HAARP facilities play into the weather patterns of the world.

I'll re-up a series called Russia and Scalar Weapons sometime next week for you. My channel got downed so I've gotta put everything back.

[tricapsula]

Quizá pensáis que de pronto todos los autos del mundo van a funcionar con hidrógeno, en un solo instante todos los autos del mundo como por arte de magia funcionando con hidróxido, vosotros habéis visto mucha TV, no?

[greengreyandblue]

what about ocean water? no one fights over ocean water as a resource, only fresh water. So what's so hard about solar distillation of water for the purpose of hydrogen? wouldn't this work?

Oh, and storms are also caused by the meeting of hot and cold air, and I don't know if you've ever seen that in Geography classes, but, there is supposed to be a balance of hot and cold air, and the general directions of wind currents as circular patterns throughout the globe. upset this, and we have chaos...

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Early this season I think there was an el nino & Colorado had more tornadoes in one month than we normally have all year. Vicious wild storms, intense thunderstorms, hail. So obviously the cool moisture combining with the high temperatures was sufficient to create these frequent storms. In Colorado when the storms come the temperature may drop from 90 to 68 real fast. Early in the growing season we had almost constant cloud cover & this isnt normal which slowed vegetable plant growth

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Actually some hydrogen cars can use straight salt water from the ocean but that only serves coastal communities so what would be the cost to truck that to a station just like gasoline when I can just turn on a faucet assuming I have the "Japanese Water Car" look that up if u haven't seen it, its the same as Stanley Meyers invention. Big oil wants u dependent on something that duplicates the system in place now which are the hydrogen stations

[ogremeisterdom]

One of the problems with electrolysis of ocean water to produce H2 and O2 is you also get Chlorine - poisonous and a greenhouse gas. What do you do with the unwanted byproduct. Sunlight striking salt water releases Chlorine photosynthetically, something Al Gore doesn't want you to know. Isn't it strange that Dow Chem. had a full line of replacements for the bad CFC's their patents just ran out on?

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Do desalination processes also produce Chlorine gas?

[ogremeisterdom]

Yes and No lol.

Desalination plants use revers osmosis. That is they push salt water through super tiny filters that only let H2O molecules through, leaving the salt and other impurities behind.

If you use electrolysis on salt water you will get Chlorine and Sodium Hydroxide (Lye-Crystal Drano) as byproducts. Also with sea water you'll get small amounts of other byproducts as sea water contains other salts like Potassium and Calcium.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

I realize your comment referred to the expensive production of hydrogen. Sure in the beginning one can suck out ocean water but not for long. A few ingenious kids discovered they could get free used vegy oil from McDonalds & ran their VW diesel bus across country for free. Since then now in some states it is illegal to burn this clean fuel & now what was once 0 demand now has value. There will be laws on ocean water as well. Things will always be owned or taxed no matter what u do, even solar

[Firesreign]

El Nino is produced by high temperatures, which are caused not by Hydrogen, but by a rise in greenhouse gases, like carbon dioxide. Less CO2, more Oxygen, a better world. Using water fuel cells would by all means reverse the negative effects we've caused, not add to them.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

I never said Hydrogen causes ElNino's but that if all cars, trucks & planes burnt hydrogen it would duplicate an El Nino effect.

Hydrogen emissions are steam, water vapor that rises into the air just like the hot trade winds heat the ocean causing evaporation. Have you ever seen the steam that comes off a hydrogen car? Where does that steam go?

Where does the ocean water go when it evaporates? Both rise into the air & get caught up in the jet stream, the rest is common knowledge

[ogremeisterdom]

Interesting thought if switching to H2 would cause a big rise in atmospheric H2O, we already have farm irrigation, home watering, street cleaning, industrial cooling, reservoirs, etc. putting a lot of moisture where it never was before. Maybe it's good they're cutting down the rain forests, maybe it's balancing it out ; )~

Or put water recovery tanks on the vehicle and drink it when you get home.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

I am not saying switching to hydrogen is worse than fossil fuels, the only thing I am saying is it will be a wetter planet with lots of storms & blizzards. It's so simple to comprehend. Las Vegas & Arizona is not as dry as it used to be, humidity levels are higher due to all the lawns & swimming pools. The humidity levels will go much higher when all cars emit steam. All that steam generates storm clouds, hail, tornadoes, floods

[tricapsula]

Si claro, teniendo en cuenta el super negocio que teneis para quebrar es logico que os de miedo que tengamos la oportunidad de recuperar grandes superficies de masa arbolea, que sin duda estabilizarán la atmosfera y tendremos en todo caso la lluvia mejor repartida para todos los seres humanos de nuestro planeta. Se os acabó el negocio.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Water vapor is better & healthier than CO2 but you see what happens when El Nino puts lots of moisture in the air. The rains do travel to some dry areas but wet locations become wetter making it impossible to live with the floods. Excessive moisture creates constant clouds blocking the sun & making it colder preventing food crops from maturing quick enough before cold wet winter arrives.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Hydrogen could cause problems with weather.

Moisture, Evaporation, Clouds, Thunder Storms, Tornadoes, Hail.

These storms are increasing possibly due to Global Warming. The excessive heat causes excessive moisture evaporation into huge storm clouds that generate terrible storms then temperatures drop rapidly. Huge temperature fluctuations so you have both extremes at the same time. Global Warming & Global Cooling back & Forth. Hydrogen might put us into an Ice Age

[tricapsula]

Pero que jeta tienen estos de las compañias petroleras. Poder, corrupción y mentiras.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Houston Chronicle July 15/2004

Corrupt influence by Big Oil alleged

by David Ivanovich

Washington: Senate investigators say 3 U.S. oil companies may have "contributed to corrupt practices" while doing business in the West African country of Equatorial Guinea.

Examining possible money laundering at Washington's Riggs Bank, the investigators uncovered information about questionable business dealings involving Exxon Mobil Corp., Marathon Oil Co. and Amerada Hess Corp. in that oil-rich land.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

That's just one story. If you are the richest & most powerful man (or Corporation) in the world then you do everything in your power to stay the richest & most powerful man in the world, all you have to do is tell the people that work for you to fix it. Pay off, Block it, framing, hit man, whatever it takes. That is the real world of Corporate power.

[DCHybrids]

oil company propaganda

[uwmbigb]

damn so much science that could benefit mankind, makes me sad that science is forced to stop where capitalism starts

[ludovice10]

Demasiado dramático, excessivo na exposição. A água é um problema e será sem duvida um bem escasso nas regiões de seca.

Este discurso não é solução é apenas um alarme!!

[citizendc9]

Okay, by "Hydrogen evaporation" I take it you mean burning hydrogen resulting in water vapor.

Heated water vapor has little affect. Thinking clearly, how are clouds formed?

Associating water vapor emissions with El Nino's is once again, incorrect.

I suggest to the video author to check your facts. To the poster , I suggest editing out the last 7 minutes of this video.

cheers!

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

A:

I don't see why there is a lack of comprehension.

The excessive rains & severe winter storms are caused by the heating & evaporation of the Ocean (El Nino) Scientists know that hot air rises and carries the moisture with it. Once the moisture gets into the air & starts to cool, rainclouds form... Continued

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

B:

Continued:

There are 625 million cars, & approx 10 million SemiTrucks on this planet, convert all of those into hydrogen & you have one huge steam bath, how is that not similar or equivalent evaporation to El Nino?

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Here is video that might help you understand:

Science Lessons on Matter, Atoms & The Periodic Table : The Water Cycle

Human existence does interfere with earths natural cycles. When you pull water from a reservoir or well then water your lawn, now multiply that by however many lawns there are. It adds to mass moisture evaporation, now start up a hydrogen car, the exhaust is steam, where does it go? watch the video & find out. Hydrogen adds moisture That would not occur naturally, in mass

[citizendc9]

In South Africa, water is government controlled. The actual state of the water is under municipal control.

This quote suggests that corporate control is the result of the poor quality of water.

You have been misinformed.

[exenrontexas]

The background music on this video really sucks and makes it hardly listenable.

Also hydrogen can be made from SALT water and NON-potable water which in fact increases the fresh water in the world. There is NO ONE trying to restrict access to Salt water.

However, in truth, corporate monsters like ENRON made a serious effort to control the worlds FRESH water supply thru their sub Azurix.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Humans vibrate at different frequency levels which is why there is such varied types of music which appeases or matches different types of frequencies in people. One guy here says it's the most incredible piece he has ever heard yet it affects you like long finger nails on a chalk board but I'll bet this music is found likable or at least easily tolerable by most.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

"Also hydrogen can be made from SALT water"

Lets say you own a hydrogen plant in Colorado.

U have many competitors & U must keep Ur prices low to compete. Would U pay an exorbant amount to have someone pump water from the ocean into a tank then have a semi-truck drive that water to Ur door or would U simply turn on the tap and pay far less for local tap water?

In addition the salt stuck on the sides of all your processing equipment requires a labor intensive cleaning, which would U choose?

[exenrontexas]

Those are reasonable points which I will now address. With all the coast line in the world, it is likely that the hydorgen plants will be located there. We currently have excellent technology to move large amounts of highly flamable gases all over the country and they are pre-existing. Removing the H2O from SALT water leaves many valuable minerals as well as NaCl such as gold, platinum and the rest that has washed there over millenium. Some guy is using radio waves for that process now.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

You point out that there are other industrial uses for processing sea water into hydrogen or the by products of production, this is good but in the case of onboard hydrogen conversion like "the Japanese water car" it can take sea water but if I live far from the sea then I will use tap water as will 90% of the US population, It's likely this onboard conversion technology will not be allowed in the US in order to push controlled hydrogen forcing people to an infrastructure similar to gasoline.

[exenrontexas]

There is a broadcast engineer who has discovered a way of using radio waves for hydrolysis. I believe is uses somewhat more energy than is produces however is depends on using salt water. I suspect this is a worthwhile area of pursuit and would work for some applications such as ships at sea if they can optimize and get the efficiency above the break even.

This technology is home grown by a guy in his lab without spending billion on development. I'm encouraged.

/watch?v=8Haj4BX0trU

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

I uploaded that video on my channel as well, I was amazed at all of the short sighted comments cutting down this video. I think it is a phenomenal discovery & even though it uses this huge device it will be miniaturized over time & will power cars if the elite will only allow use by the citizens of this world or it could be shelved for 100 yrs or more

[exenrontexas]

I was also amazed. It seems a natural for travel at sea and since it uses hydolysis all the subordinate benefits still exist such as mineral reclamation. As always, the key is efficiency.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Anything that becomes in high demand will rapidly rise in cost (supply & Demand) 20 yrs ago do you think anyone would have considered used cooking oil to be in high demand? instead of a throw away product now it's useful as part Diesel fuel. So too will the Oceans water be controlled like oil wells if it becomes the ingredient that fuels our cars

[mikhasya1976]

electric car

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

solar electric, that way no fuels need to be burned for the electricity used. California was already building solar charging stations so when people parked their GM EV-1 at work it charged for free, then GM pulled the plug (pardon the pun) demanded all leased vehicles be returned then sent to the scrap yard. The solar funding stopped as well.

[wideworldofweasel]

I guess elecromagnet motors surge power will be the way to go?

[insAneTunA]

I have only one answer for this video, nonsense. The water vapor that comes free when hydrogen is burned can be collected before it gets in the air and then it can be reused. you cannot compare the energy that is released by the sun and the oceans with the energy that comes free when we burn hydrogen on a huge scale. If we where able to produce that amount of energy, then things would be completely different. I think that you make the problem bigger then it is, if there is a problem at all.

[insAneTunA]

And who says that hydrogen is going to solve ALL the problems that we have? Hydrogen could be an important part in the solutions that need to be found. There are several possibilities and if we manage to combine them we should be able to build a system that solves many problems, including the problems with water. As long as there are people who want to solve problems and seek for solutions we can. Do you want to seek a solution or do you want others to control your life in every possible way?

[wideworldofweasel]

salt water can be used for hydrogen.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Thats true & works well for all States near the ocean. If a hydrogen factory is in the center of the US it is tempting to just turn on the fresh water tap. Otherwise seawater needs to be trucked in. If "the Japanese Water Car", same as Stanley Meyers onboard conversion hits the road a person can put sea water or fresh water in the tank but I live in Colorado so I would use the tap & not buy sea water even if it were available & sea water leaves salt deposits in the tank that needs cleaning

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

The Corporate elite will find a way to own Ocean water rights. Corporations own air space. Someday will tax you for using solar because in order for you to solar power your house the sun passed through their air space. Corporations are patenting each genome of every animal & person & will own the blue print for & own every living thing on earth.

The Corporation.

[delgadilloaaron]

HA HA HA A NAS SONG FOR AN INTRO! I have seen it all now!

The song is "Nas is like."

[slctdmbntwrx]

Dude what was that intro sample from? Beautiful stuff.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

delgadilloaaron says it's from "Nas is like" music video but nowhere in the particular vid I watched was this playing alone so I wonder if it was a remake that sounded like the original.

[whitenight639]

isnt this an instrumental on one of immortal techniques albums?

anyway good vid really makes you think about water privitasation, the earth is 3/4 water i dont think using a relatively tiny amount for out cars and industry as fuel would be detrimental, dont forget you get water back out of combustion of hydrogen!

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

"If we increase atmospheric water, it will reduce climatic extremes."

Actually El Nino has proved the very opposite. The more water vapor that rises is caught up in the jet stream then comes down in mass whether it is rain or snow. The result is massive flooding. Imagine an El Nino along with every car in the world emitting water vapor as well, every part of the planet would be flooded.

[pondman27]

It is a question I have often pondered. The solution seems simple enough. Stop wasting non-renewables & switch to that which is already circulated by the sun & cosmos. Water is capable of giving energy as it falls too. A much too ignored form of renewable energy is from micro-hydro generation, a controllable & beneficial asset for inclusion in any built or landscaped environ. If we increase atmospheric water, it will reduce climatic extremes. Combined with reafforestation it could be the answer

[tcoc112233]

5 tornadoes in mile high rocky mountains in denver last sunday!

But I doubt that us burning hydrogen will have any (negative) measurable effect at all. And the ONLY thing preventing us from having clean water everywhere is lack of communication and bondage to this illusion of slavery to money.

Blame Capitalism because you can do something about that.

El nino is a natural weather phenomenon. Kinda like the Ice age. global warming pfft. We are victims of the sun. And what about chemtrails???

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Smog rises, correct?

Would you say tailpipe emissions are not noticeable?

Now take all the tailpipes in the world converted to hydrogen water vapor emissions.

Water vapor that rises must come down, so my question is that if all the worlds cars were hydrogen then just how much water vapor is that? Will it be equivalent to an El Nino's water evaporation?

That's what this video is all about

[ehnriko]

Drought in the Philippines??? Hydrogen causing El Nino?... aren't you sensationalizing this a little bit?... El Nino is a phenomenon that has been occuring in a cyclical manner - even before the industrial revolution. Hydrogen burning has nothing to do with it. Hydrogen burning will not produce hydrogen... 1 single explosion of hydrogen will only produce air and moisture in the miniscule scale. 1 Liter of water = 18,000,000cc of hydrogen + oxygen gas... harmful? Are you promoting fossil fuel?

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

It's unclear who you are replying to but it looks like to everybody all at once. I'll cover my part. Perhaps you skimmed the video not reading the captions. The video did not imply that burning hydrogen causes El Nino but that burning hydrogen in every car on the planet will cause the same effect as El Nino from the massive water evaporation which is what El Nino does, it causes massive water evaporation, combine both natural & hydrogen evaporation spells floods & blizzards

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

"water = 18,000,000cc of hydrogen + oxygen gas... harmful?"

I am not even sure where on earth you came up with that? I never said water vapor is harmful in terms of toxic but an excess of water evaporation creates clouds, which turn into thunder heads which cause torrential downpours so yes harmful in the terms of floods. Try calculating the amount of vapor exhaust from 1 car, now add that by every car in the world. Is that equivalent to the vapor amount produced by El Nino?

[BespokeGroupUK]

so now everyone has to make devices which use solar electricity to distil water out of the air? that would be a cool solution :)

[edavisdavis]

Hydrogen Bomb

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

To edavisdavis

What comes out of the tail pipe is not hydrogen, the explosive substance has already been burnt in the piston, the emission should only be H20... that is unless the engine is 100% efficient which it might not be. Gas engines emit un burnt gasses so why wouldn't a hydrogen engine? You have an interesting point, I never thought of this before.

[ehnriko]

But I dont think Hydrogen enhancement in the combustion will create El ninos.. Making a Hydrogen Bomb - and igniting it - probably. but not when you go low emission with h2.

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

The States where it rains (or maybe snows) the most are States that have large bodies of water that evaporates. It's mind boggling to picture in the mind just how many cars are on the road. US is only a tiny dot on the map compared to the rest of the worlds Nations, all those cars emitting mass hydrogen water evaporation would be equivalent to large lake evaporation worldwide. It will create constant storm clouds

[ehnriko]

Water Evaporation is better than CFC, HC and Carbon Monoxide or Methane... It's just a choice between lesser evil. The Storms are still a cause between thermal differences of the surface temp. and the atmospheric changes caused by ozone depletion. Water has always been in the atmosphere... not caused by cars. :-)

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

"Water has always been in the atmosphere... not caused by cars"

It's not caused by cars because they are not all hydrogen yet.

replace all cars with hydrogen which will double, perhaps triple air moisture evaporation.

If you have a large jar over a bowl of room temperature water (like the ocean) observe the amount of condensation on the jar. Now stick in a tailpipe of hydrogen emission, what will happen? the condensation will pour out of the jar in streams of water. Hence torrential rains

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

Water vapor is healthier than CFCs, my point is simply to be prepared for a wetter planet, less sunshine, deep paralyzing snow storms & a major renewal of our flood control systems & a new way to grow food in flooded plains. You simply cannot heat up all that water (burning hydrogen) & send it into the atmosphere & not have an impact, all the water that evaporates must come down again in addition to Ocean & Lake evaporation

[FreeGlobalEnergy]

I am not against hydrogen to replace gasoline but I just want people to realize what it means & is that the route we want to take before it is too late. I imagine these same talks took place with the first horseless carriage yet some may have said there are only a few, most people prefer the horse, the impact is insignificant as the wind blows it away then they air is clean again. I just wonder if advanced solar electric will have less impact than saturating the air with water

[ehnriko]

Very timely!

[00Resev]

Thank you for the video