NYRA President defends youth privacy on CNN's HLN Prime News

[youthlib2012]

Adultism is disgusting! No-fault emancipation for youth, divorce for minors!

[1967WEDway]

I find it very disturbing how much Jeffrey was singled-out in this interview. Instead of speaking as equals, the reporter enjoyed emphasizing Jeffrey's age as if it made his argument less valid. It was a very "you're the teenager, I'm the adult, so my point's more valid" situation. It felt like the reporter was trying to deceive Jeffrey and make him say the wrong thing the entire interview. I applaud Jeffrey for how well he handled it and how well he kept his cool because that was infuriating.

[AwesomeAmy33]

Think of it this way, If you couldn't pay for anything so your friend let you live in his house, would he have the right to be able to search you to make sure you don't have a gun or drugs or whatever else bad that your friend thinks you have? Another thing, say you couldn't pay for anything so your friend bought you basic nessesitys, would he have the right to search you? and also, If your as broke as a joke then how are you paying for that gun/drugs/evil stuff? No difference really.

[NintenDudes165]

Go Jeffrey!

[BreffmintsMDV2010]

I'm 13 and American. I forgot I didn't have rights. Fuck this piece of shit, I'll kill your nigger ass.

[jaffa1781]

man i feel sorry for the senator's kid's

[SIUltimate]

Oh God, the anchor is so unbelievably demeaning to him because he's 17. This world is a joke.

[E3BlSH0P]

Im a teen, but I understand that I cannot claim ownership on property that isn't mine. In reality, it's my parents property, and my parents pay for the house, including my room. Not too mention Jeffery's "slippery slope" argument, and his stats of "2009 is the safest year in history" has nothing to do with the argument. It's not getting safer because "kids rooms aren't getting checked". Maybe it was the nervousness of being on television, but this was a poor debate.

[MrsGreenStrauss]

@E3BlSH0P Well, the problem isn't that. Imagine that situation: a major person, living freely in someone house. Even if that major person is supposed to have problems, that someone else won't feel the right to touch object in his/her house. And, well, it's not like you had the right to have your own house and pay for it, anyway. And it's not like it's really their own house if they are still paying for it, but bankmen don't have the right to come and read their books whenever the bankmen wants.

[MrsGreenStrauss]

@MrsGreenStrauss Somehow I don't understand how one can allow a child or any person who don't have the right to chose its own home to live somewhere, act like it's the other person property whenever it arranges them, but at other moments say it's not because they don't have the right to work and pay for it, and that the objects in the room offered to that person, whether the person paid these or not, are also the property of the parent or person who allowed that other person in.

[MrsGreenStrauss]

Also, when you invite someone for a time, you don't act like it's permitted to with teens?! You don't enter their room without permission even if they don't pay a fee to live there, you don't touch their objects or open their books? Because it's considered rude? So why would you do that when it's a teen? Isn't that even more rude when that person is not even allowed to have his/her own house? Sorry for talking so much.

[E3BlSH0P]

@MrsGreenStrauss no problem, whatever it takes to make your point. In regard to "it's not their property if they are still paying for it". Technically, yes, it is your parents house even if they are still paying for it. Why? Because they aren't still paying for the house, they are paying for the loan that they purchased the house with. It is technically their property. And in regard to, "it's rude to enter someone's room w/out permission", this isn't an argument about whats rude. (Read further)

[E3BlSH0P]

@E3BlSH0P (continued) this isn't an argument about what's rude, it's an argument over rights. It would be rude for me to call someone on the street fat or stupid, but i still have a right to do so. Just because something is rude, or looked down upon, doesn't mean it violates anyone's rights. And it's not about "acting like it's the parents' property", it's about understanding that it actually is the parents' property. Whether or not these actions help any situation, there are technically 'fair'.

[MrsGreenStrauss]

@E3BlSH0P You're right there :) Now, that's a bit awkward because I think it's "summarized", but still want to makes you know I've read your answer and agreed? I just feel like I left in the middle of a conversation if I don't.

[KamakazeBanzai]

My god, I'M A FUCKING STRAIGHT A STUDENT!!! I WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO AFFORD A GODAMN GUN OR PERMIT LET ALONE EVEN FIND ONE! Why would I have any reason to want to go out and shoot someplace up? What do they think we're a bunch of fucking retards?!

[ifhgsfj]

How can anyone, let alone a fucking SENATOR say "There are no first, or fourth amendment rights in my house."?

[fartinthewind13]

@ifhgsfj There is no charter of rights in my school...

[kantaroth]

The senator's argument was desperate. Adults use stats all the time to twist things in their favor, whether they choose focus on or omit certain details. 95% of news/media outlets are very good at doing this.

See what I just did?

Sure, you can use paternalism and keep your kids pinned down simply because they live with you. But when they've moved out and are in their 20s, did you really solve the problem? or did you just delay the inevitable. Some parents need to step their game up, and fast.

[daoistfromebay]

this is a shit interview...

destroying trust is pretty damaging, but if you've got the kind of kid who does that shit...

parenting can't be uniform. I have some friends, if I was their dad i'd search them b/c they won't clean themselves up w/o authority's intervention. but most of my friends have their stuff together well enough so that searches would do nothing besides destroy trust and push the kids to the things parents aim to stop. forbidden pleasures are most tempting, treat em good

[TheHoodedBoy]

It seems other people see the basics of the bias of this interview, but no one has mentioned yet that they did not give him enough time or purpose to defend his arguments. Every time he beat one of their questions and started pushing the idea further they cut him off and in doing so caused the viewers to feel less of n impact from his words which works against him. And the whole time the host kept openly admitting his bias on the debate. We know how "kids" think, so give us a chance to talk.

[josephschwenker]

I was appalled by how much the interviewer emphasized Jeffrey's age. The senator's last comment is also worthy of note: "he's a young man and he should push back on trends, but I'm and adult, and I have an obligation and responsibility to not look at stats...". The way this comment was worded really downsized Jeffrey because of his age. "he's a young man...but I'm an adult"

[OmegaWolf747]

All I can say is I'm glad my parents didn't snoop and spy on me when I was a teen. I did some things they wouldn't have been too happy with, but I never went too far.

[UnschoolingEagle]

If your kid has a gun than they are probably in a gang or fearing for their safety. If they are in a gang the parents have failed a long time ago, if they fear for their safety the parent has the responsibility to help their teen feel safe and maybe give them some gun safety and shooting lessons.

[NowhereWoman152]

If you have to search your kid's room, you either haven't taught them to be responsible, or you haven't created enough trust for them to say "Mom, I think I did something wrong," or "Dad, I'm feeling depressed," before they even start getting into bad situations. Everyone does something for a reason. Find the reasons your child is doing these behaviors. Even if your kid is behaving, is it out of fear of punishment, or understanding of what is right or wrong or healthy? If they don't have actual

[NowhereWoman152]

@NowhereWoman152

understanding of why drugs, violence, etc are not healthy or safe, if they aren't thinking for themselves, then once they get out from under your wing and are offered these things, there is a good chance that they'll binge and end up ruining their lives/health.

"While he's under my roof, etc." is a horrible reason for anything- what about when he's an adult? Do you not care? Or are you trying to instill so much fear and shame that he'll never be able to think for himself?

[Ksabrs45]

They marginalized him because of his age. Ageism is making me hate old people indiscriminately.

[thisisjustayouTname]

its not just his age but the fact that hes part of a foundation that stands for things contrary to the common culture, im shore you could find examples if other people being denounced because of their ideas, its just ignorance not just ageism. and it would be ageist in itself to hate older people because of the actions of the few

[Ksabrs45]

@thisisjustayouTname

Actions of a few? Parents almost universally dismiss young people as being stupid. "I thought that too and then I grew up!", "You'll understand when you're older!", "Everything is so black and white when you're young!"

How many stupid cliches are there? They never address the logic behind the argument, whatever it is, they just pull age on you and basically claim that you're retarded for having whatever idea it is that they don't like.

Otherwise I agree with your response

[NowhereWoman152]

@Ksabrs45

Well, that's ageism too...Judge people by their actions not their age, whether they're older or younger than you.

[PashupatiFR]

@NowhereWoman152 I think he was ironical. He even insisted by saying that ageism drived him to this, as it drives older people to be ageist to younger, and insisted again by saying "indiscriminately". (sorry for the language, I'm French, and all) (sorry if Ksabrs45 is a she)

[PashupatiFR]

@PashupatiFR Not "even insisted", "said". Sorry.

[NowhereWoman152]

@PashupatiFR I know. :) I just think that even joking like that can hurt the movement... I wasn't angry or anything.

[PashupatiFR]

@NowhereWoman152 Aw, sorry. It just happens to me to mistake irony with "real" statements (or the reverse), so I thought you did.

[NowhereWoman152]

@PashupatiFR It's understandable :)