comymd3740-"Are you a fucking air head? Like I have the time or resources to carry out academic research projects. No one in a modern technological society can investigate personally ever issue. What are three years old?"
So you read something and take it for gospel and have enough energy to run your mouth but not enough to fact check? It really doesnt take long to debunk your lies...your like a 9/11 conspiracy theorist trying to find something to stick
Your viewpoint is that of the narcissist. What I cite are the facts in most cases and not just a person's opinion to begin with. Fact checking is what I was doing, jackoff. I'm not going to carry out a research project to help you understand why Americans don't want unions.
"In 1947 construction unions had an 87 percent market share nationwide. In 2001 that figure was only 18.4 percent. "
Non-union shops "have won 75-80 percent of the national construction dollar spent."
Its not fact checking when your only sources have an agenda and you preach it as gospel you insulting little prick. Now I know for certain your living on daddies gold card
You guys are the ones with the agenda which is to suck the life out of companies and raise costs to consumers so you can walk away with all of the money.
Look at the BLS numbers. There is a reason for the decline of unions in this country: people don't want them. They know what's going on. All of the growth of unions are in the public sector. Another burden for the taxpayer.
I CITE at some point in the conversation everything that I quote from. Space is limited in every post. I don't pass anything off as my own ideas. In fact I have tried to get you to let me send you my list of source URLs but you refuse to unblock your e-mail. The only way you can perceive that I'm copying is if you didn't read what I cited right from the beginning. It's called doing your homework. All you are doing is trying to get off topic because you are a loser with nothing else better to do.
Pulppeeler - corymd is a kid who still lives at home. You're already aware that he's a copy/paste hack without any original info. Not only that, but, you're dealing with someone who doesn't know the first thing about paying his own bills, or, what it takes to support a family. You really are wasting your time. I chased his pre-pubescent rear end off of another vid.
This person knows nothing about me and is a liar. Pathetic human being. I kicked his ass because he couldn't defend himself and now he throws fits and throws around libelous and defamatory statements.
I don't plagiarize. I cite all of my sources. That's what pisses him off.
Sorry kid - he already knows the truth. It's been noted that you keep regurgitating biased and factually incorrect info. When you get into the real world, we'll see how well you do.
Are you a fucking air head? Like I have the time or resources to carry out academic research projects. No one in a modern technological society can investigate personally ever issue. What are three years old?
I wonder why? What's the average wage differance between the two, and what do you think will happen if all states were right to work...as in unions killed off...think you'll get a raise...probably not, maybe you should work harder or longer hours...yeah right ...only raise i seen in the last 5 years was on my unemployment check...times are tough when you have to get laid off to get a raise
Unions increase pay at the expense of everyone else. That's basic economics. I think the problem is that people like you don't get it. I will explain it to you if you need me to.
That union stuff is over anyway. BLS 2008 statistics show 12.4% union membership and the growth is in public sector unions who go after those greedy taxpayers. LOL!
What Kenyesian socialists like yourself don't understand is basic capital theory. All you can understand is demand and nominal price levels. The economy is more complex than that. Our real wealth is not paper, it's our productive capacity.
See: "Responding to Union Rhetoric: The Reality of the American Workplace" which is a series of U.S. Chamber of Commerce white papers countering all of the false statistics you guys put out.
The Report "wants to accentuate that things are worse in union states" and "attacks the widely accepted statistic that wages have not kept up with increased worker productivity. It adds up salary, benefits and retirement contributions and finds that total compensation has in fact kept pace."
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, real median income (inflation adjusted) for all households from 1967 to 2007 rose by almost 30 percent, going from $38,771 to $50,233. At the same time that median income has risen, the poverty rate has dropped by almost half, going from 22.4 percent in 1959 to 12.5 percent in 2007. Both the rise in median income and drop in poverty occurred in the midst of labors own membership drop-off in the private sector.
Take a look at the study released by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University (BHI) on prevailing wages for the public sector:
"Biases in the measurement of the federal "prevailing wage" force U.S. taxpayers to spend $8.6 billion a year more for public construction projects than they would have to pay if unbiased measures were used, according to a new study by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University (BHI)."
The beacon hill institute? Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? With a comment like that, all your right wing think tank regurgitation doesn't deserve a response, amazing though, that you can type that much and still be able to spank to Rush Limbaugh
I have a lot of sources on union-only public projects:
The DC Baseball Stadium Project: Broke Promises, Big Losses for DC Residents The District Economic Empowerment Coalition (DEEC) (October 2007)
The PLA for the Iowa Events Center: An Unnecessary Burden on the Workers, Businesses and Taxpayers of Iowa Public Industry Institute Staff, Mt. Pleasant, IA (March 2006)
Government-Mandated Project Labor Agreements in Construction: The Institutional Facts and Issues and Key Litigation: Moving Toward Union Monopoly on Federal and State Financed Projects. Government Union Review, Volume 19, Number 3. Herbert R. Northrup and Linda E. Alario. (October 2000)
Analysis of the Impacts on the Jefferson County Courthouse Complex through Project Labor Considerations Prepared for the Jefferson County (NY) Board of Legislators Professor Paul G. Carr(September 2000)
Project Labor Agreement Study: Prepared for Clark County (NV) School District Resolution Management (June 2000)
Government-Mandated Project Labor Agreements in Construction: A Force to Obtain Union Monopoly on Government-Financed Projects. Herbert R. Northrup, The Wharton School. (January 2000)
Boston Harbor-Type Project Labor Agreements in Construction: Nature, Rationales and Legal Challenges Journal of Labor Research. Herbert R. Northrup and Linda E. Alario. (Winter 1998)
Project Labor Agreements: The Extent of Their Use and Related Information GAO Report (May 1998)
Comparison of Nonunion and Union Contractors Construction Fatalities National Center for Construction Education and Research (May 1995)
Analysis of Bids and Costs to the Taxpayer for the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, New York State Dormitory Authority Construction Project Associated Builders & Contractors Empire State Chapter (March 23, 1995)
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, real median income (inflation adjusted) for all households from 1967 to 2007 rose by almost 30 percent, going from $38,771 to $50,233. At the same time that median income has risen, the poverty rate has dropped by almost half, going from 22.4 percent in 1959 to 12.5 percent in 2007. Both the rise in median income and drop in poverty occurred in the midst of labors own membership drop-off in the private sector.
Hmmmm...wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there are more two income households would it? Seems as (you say) union membership declined (slight increase last year) two jobs or more are needed to support a household, couple that with more college grads, and more women in the work force. Now if you want to believe that these corps. are interested in "protecting" the secret ballot...I can't help ya there, they could care less about integrity of an election as they own our poli system
"From 1950 to 2007, the middle class family income (real dollars, adjusted for inflation) has gone from $29,000 a year to $75,000 a year."
These numbers also don't reflect the increasing amount of other government and job related benefits which have increased.
Everyone has their own car now. Parents help their kids with higher education with more kids able to go to college than ever before. Our expectations have risen and we expect more material wealth.
Sad...everything you "footnote" are all right wing pro corporate strongholds, Baskin, Beacon Hill, Chamber of commerce....maybe you should go to my home town and see the wonderful new school scab labor built, which was flooded my senior year, and has been worked on every summer since 92...but hey, it was 50 grand cheaper then union labor...who care what we pay in the long run. Look at all the big cities...scab labor didnt build it, now go cite your books to someone who will believe your bull
Why don't you come up to New York and pay taxes here to support the bloated public unions that call all of the shots in Albany and make more than who pays their salaries.. You can have our corrupt government and the only jobs available are retail.
You don't know you're born.
Just look at GM. Do you really think the unions are helping American workers? Americans don't want unions.
Read the Manhattan Institute report, 'Albany Inc.: The Special-Interest Conglomerate that Runs New York.'
As an example, New York ranks first in the country among states in per pupil spending ($14,884) 63 percent above the national average. The results don't reflect that. The charter schools kick the public (union teacher) school's asses. No 60% dropout rate there.
"The economy of Western New York and the cities of Buffalo and Rochester are, for practical purposes, socialist. The private sector is nearly dead, government is the largest employer, and taxes and union membership are the highest in the nation. As a result, economic growth is nil, and the population continues to migrate to the Sun Belt at an alarming rate."
He already knows about Milwaukee's Marquette Interchange which saved so much money, they were able to blow $80,000 to pat the UNION workers on the back with an ad campaign!
labor agreement" (PLA). The project was estimated in 1985 at $2.8 billion but the cost turned out to be about $22 billion.
The project has incurred criminal arrests, escalating costs, death, leaks, and charges of poor execution and use of substandard materials. The Massachusetts Attorney General is demanding that contractors refund taxpayers $108 million for "shoddy work".
During a five-day surveillance of the Big Dig, the Herald observed a backhoe operator dozing off for several hours, a crane operator reading books and magazines, and another backhoe operator circling the citys Financial District with no cargo and no destination. The second backhoe operator later slept for an hour and a half.
Tell your story to GM employees. They will proabably explain to you that they don't have a job anymore because of unions. A public sector union in my state sacrificed about 5,000 of its workers because the union refused to take a pay freeze this year. Unions reduce employment because they drive up the cost of production. As a result, surpluses in the labor market in other sectors drives down wages in those sectors. The unions also drive up the price of products which reduces purchasing power.
See on YouTube: "Lou Dobbs Reports on the Latest SEIU 'Corporate Campaign'"
See: "National Right to Work Talks Card Check On Lou Dobbs"
See: "20/20 - Bailouts & Bull**** Pt. 6 of 6"
Also read Cole and Ohannian's paper on the massive strikes during the Great Depression and how pro-cartel, pro-labor legislation during FDR hurt the recovery and was one of the main reasons the depression lasted as long as it did.
See "Markets, Not Unions, Gave us Leisure" by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
the whole idea of a global economy was supposed to bring the rest of the world up to our standards. unfortunately corporations took that as an opportunity to bring us down to their levels. If your referring to sen shelby, i wouldnt say his constituents were for the bailout. he wants these plants in his state is why he is so against it. you can't tell me that us steel industry was not affected by imports, thats just way way out there. *next*
why would a company agree to a contract that overburdens itself?? collective bargaining has 2 parties sitting at the table, not just the uaw. tell me why toyota refused over 300 million from mississippi to locate a new plant there and went to canada for half as much? Because the level of workforce was so much higher and the length of time it took to get up and running at full production was shorter. *next*
You're right, any company that would negotiate such fat cat contracts needs to go out of business, thats the whole point, Republicans belive in responsibility and that the Gubbmint isn't the solution for everything. Poorly run companies should go out of business and that will make room for new ones work for the marketshare. Don't forget that the UAW-Big3-Democrats have kept other American carmakers from competing with the Big 3 over the years, it's simply corruption.
big disagreement there. the ramifications of letting them go under are much to great. Now if republicans believed govt. wasn't the soloution to everything, they would have let the banks fail too. I dont recall any banking ceos having to sing for their supper. Mccain was falling all over himself to get back to vote on the damn thing.
Most Republicans in this country did NOT support ANY bailouts, Bush and McCain went against the majority of the party in supporting any bailout. The free market goes through ebs and flows, upturns and downturns. I can't understand how democrats want socialism, when history has proved time and time again that it never works. We went though a cold war against the Soviets and witnessed their economy collapse but for some reason Dems didn't learn.
Most Democrats today simply have some sort of romance with wanting a socialist country, they want cradle to grave entitlements, they just don't realize that is very UN-AMERICAN, they belive that the gubbmint is the answer to everything when the policies of FDR and LBJ's social engineering projects never worked. Social Security, Welfare, Secion 8, Housing Projects are all dismal failures, when will the dems learn that life is not fair and there are winners and losers in life??
wow...the running gag around here is if you want to destroy a communist power, introduce capitalism, that lead to the end of the soviet union. Social security is/was not a failure. S>S> would be completely solvent if it wasnt for govt. borrowing massive amounts of funds from it. Now seeing as how you CAN'T put politics aside, and I'M assuming your conservative, how do you square christian values with letting the elderly who cannot work, and couldnt afford to amass a fortune to retire, starve
I never said that i'm against Social Security, Medicare or SSI which are all safety nets for the elderly. SS is a loser, it pays no interest and then it dictates how and when you get it, yet another aspect of government control over our lives, the more ppl depend on the gubbmint the less control they have over their own lives, the democratic party does not praise self responsibility and it actually rewards poor behavior, call us Republicans what you want but Un-American isn't one of them.
I laughed so hard at all of those college students at Obama's victory speech, how little they know that once they graduate, get out in the real world and get a job, home and family they will change their tune very quick when they have to pay massive taxes. Liberalism is just adults who haven't grown up and want to live in an Ideal world.Republicans actually grow up and realize that the world is unfair,but true liberty means having the ability to succeed,but also the ability to fail,true freedom.
Bush realized the word was unfair to banks, hence his signing of the toxic asset bill...tarp...so much for govt. non intervention on the conservative side huh?
The U.S. automakers need to dump all of their Union contracts and build factories in the South. Toyota, Honda and Nissan are employing many americans, the Japanese and the German automakers won't deal with Unions. When G.M. has to pay billy bob union worker 50 bucks an hour while Toyota average pay is 18 dollars an hour, guess what company is more competetive and profitable?
The reasons that Toyota and the Japanese Auto industry is so successful is because the pay their design and mechanical engineers vastly more money than they do in the US and pay their CEOs considerably less. Asian and European cars slaughter the US Product through design, fuel economy and better performance. It has little to do what takes place on the Assembly Line. industry and big business have a habit of blaming unions rather than their own mismanagement.
uaw workers make 28 hr. average. toyota in the south make about 30, purely to keep unions out. wait, their hard times are coming too. did you hear what toyota said about the southern states? after being offered 300 million to build a plant, they chose to build in canada for half that much incentive because worker training was faster and less of an effort. some southern workers had to be trained using pictures. maybe the 300 mill should be used for education.
Have you ever been to Michigan? It's a complete dump, also you fail to realize that Canada provides college free of charge to it's citizens, but the problem with so many college grads living in a left wing country is that many of these grads are flipping burgers and driving taxis, there are more college grads than decent jobs in that country.
i live next to michigan on the border in wisconsin. have you ever been to the south? your tellin me thats worse then michigan? enough with the left/right wing bullshit. they are all out for themselves and in the pockets of corporations, hence all the jobs being shipped out of country. we CANNOT have an economy where we trade dollars and not actually produce anything
Oh I live in the South and can tell you that I'd take Tennessee over Michigan ANY day of the week. You're right lets put partisanship away. This is a global economy, with global cometition, the whole shipping jobs overseas argument used to work, but now we have foreign companies in the U.S. employing Americans in the South and paying them darned good wages, usually over 20 per hour, which is good for a factory worker. Just like GM and Ford have foreign plants.
Why would the UAW want to burden a company so much that it simply can't compete in the market, Every industry that the Union is involved with eventually collapses, just look at the American steel industry. Each senator is elected by ppl in his district, why would a Southern Senator from a NON UNION state go against his ppl's wishes to support overpaid UNION workers? Add to that these Union states are Democratic voting states, The Senator and GOP loose nothing by voting against it.
now as for saying that unions kill all it touches, i have to disagree. you look at any major building project in volving trades and you will find the best trained workers in the world. union ironworkers recieve more training then then most people will in 2 lifetimes. you cant have people walk in off the street and send them 1000 feet in the air and tell them to work. this isn't the 20's...yet! anyways...hope you and your family have a merry christmas!! and thanks for being civil..many are not!
Dear usp45compact, eat me! Corperate America is to blame for the demise of our manufacturing jobs. Hell, don't beleive me, try reading a book, here's a good start. "Take this job and ship it" Author: US Senator Byron L. Dorgan
US automakers are putting themselves out of business. Their greed and not wanting to pay a decient wage is killing America. My ford escort is made in Mexico!!!! Who needs illegal workers. thank you NAFTA
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No, Labor Unions are killing America! China loves unions. Every american manufacturing and production company that is forced to close due to rediculous union demands, means more jobs for china and othe countries.
Hey you know what, your right!!! If we can get rid of unions and their work on protecting our wages, then we can all get paid like workers in China. average manufacturing jobs in china in 2002 paid 11001 yuan a year. Exchange rate today is 1 yuan = almost 14 cents, so that gives us a nice annual income of about $1540 and some change.
YAHOO!!! WHERE DO I SIGN!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE, SAY NO TO FREE TRADE AND BRING BACK TRADE TARIFFS!!!!SAVE YOUR JOB, SAVE YOUR COUNTRY.
Hi, I'm part of the LAZY ASS American Union, my motto is complain, complain, complain and don't start your own companies yet expect to get equal profits. Why don't these writers write their own books or something, or get another trade, its called quitting if you don't like what you are getting paid you all should try it sometime. United Auto Workers members are you reading this you bunch of ingrates, you guys are gonna put all US automakers out of business.
***** Super cool ! Protect american jobs ! *****
ThePolypop 4 months ago
Unions are ruining the world!!
thisisstupid393949 2 years ago
comymd3740-"Are you a fucking air head? Like I have the time or resources to carry out academic research projects. No one in a modern technological society can investigate personally ever issue. What are three years old?"
So you read something and take it for gospel and have enough energy to run your mouth but not enough to fact check? It really doesnt take long to debunk your lies...your like a 9/11 conspiracy theorist trying to find something to stick
pulppeeler 2 years ago
Your viewpoint is that of the narcissist. What I cite are the facts in most cases and not just a person's opinion to begin with. Fact checking is what I was doing, jackoff. I'm not going to carry out a research project to help you understand why Americans don't want unions.
"In 1947 construction unions had an 87 percent market share nationwide. In 2001 that figure was only 18.4 percent. "
Non-union shops "have won 75-80 percent of the national construction dollar spent."
Explain that.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Its not fact checking when your only sources have an agenda and you preach it as gospel you insulting little prick. Now I know for certain your living on daddies gold card
pulppeeler 2 years ago 3
You guys are the ones with the agenda which is to suck the life out of companies and raise costs to consumers so you can walk away with all of the money.
Look at the BLS numbers. There is a reason for the decline of unions in this country: people don't want them. They know what's going on. All of the growth of unions are in the public sector. Another burden for the taxpayer.
corymd3470 2 years ago
pla·gia·rize
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): pla·gia·rized; pla·gia·riz·ing
Etymology: plagiary
Date: 1716
transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source
IWLocal8 2 years ago
I CITE at some point in the conversation everything that I quote from. Space is limited in every post. I don't pass anything off as my own ideas. In fact I have tried to get you to let me send you my list of source URLs but you refuse to unblock your e-mail. The only way you can perceive that I'm copying is if you didn't read what I cited right from the beginning. It's called doing your homework. All you are doing is trying to get off topic because you are a loser with nothing else better to do.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Maybe recently, after I caught you...
IWLocal8 2 years ago
manhatten institute?? Do your own research, not what the corp elite want you to think, stop being such a sheep
pulppeeler 2 years ago
Pulppeeler - corymd is a kid who still lives at home. You're already aware that he's a copy/paste hack without any original info. Not only that, but, you're dealing with someone who doesn't know the first thing about paying his own bills, or, what it takes to support a family. You really are wasting your time. I chased his pre-pubescent rear end off of another vid.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
This person knows nothing about me and is a liar. Pathetic human being. I kicked his ass because he couldn't defend himself and now he throws fits and throws around libelous and defamatory statements.
I don't plagiarize. I cite all of my sources. That's what pisses him off.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Sorry kid - he already knows the truth. It's been noted that you keep regurgitating biased and factually incorrect info. When you get into the real world, we'll see how well you do.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Are you a fucking air head? Like I have the time or resources to carry out academic research projects. No one in a modern technological society can investigate personally ever issue. What are three years old?
corymd3470 2 years ago
Tsk tsk I see you're still throwing hissy fits.
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Which have experienced higher growth rates over the last decade, right to work states or non-right to work states? Right to work states.
murany06 2 years ago
I wonder why? What's the average wage differance between the two, and what do you think will happen if all states were right to work...as in unions killed off...think you'll get a raise...probably not, maybe you should work harder or longer hours...yeah right ...only raise i seen in the last 5 years was on my unemployment check...times are tough when you have to get laid off to get a raise
pulppeeler 2 years ago
Unions increase pay at the expense of everyone else. That's basic economics. I think the problem is that people like you don't get it. I will explain it to you if you need me to.
That union stuff is over anyway. BLS 2008 statistics show 12.4% union membership and the growth is in public sector unions who go after those greedy taxpayers. LOL!
corymd3470 2 years ago
What Kenyesian socialists like yourself don't understand is basic capital theory. All you can understand is demand and nominal price levels. The economy is more complex than that. Our real wealth is not paper, it's our productive capacity.
corymd3470 2 years ago
See: "Responding to Union Rhetoric: The Reality of the American Workplace" which is a series of U.S. Chamber of Commerce white papers countering all of the false statistics you guys put out.
The Report "wants to accentuate that things are worse in union states" and "attacks the widely accepted statistic that wages have not kept up with increased worker productivity. It adds up salary, benefits and retirement contributions and finds that total compensation has in fact kept pace."
corymd3470 2 years ago
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, real median income (inflation adjusted) for all households from 1967 to 2007 rose by almost 30 percent, going from $38,771 to $50,233. At the same time that median income has risen, the poverty rate has dropped by almost half, going from 22.4 percent in 1959 to 12.5 percent in 2007. Both the rise in median income and drop in poverty occurred in the midst of labors own membership drop-off in the private sector.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Take a look at the study released by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University (BHI) on prevailing wages for the public sector:
"Biases in the measurement of the federal "prevailing wage" force U.S. taxpayers to spend $8.6 billion a year more for public construction projects than they would have to pay if unbiased measures were used, according to a new study by the Beacon Hill Institute at Suffolk University (BHI)."
corymd3470 2 years ago
The beacon hill institute? Is that supposed to be some kind of joke? With a comment like that, all your right wing think tank regurgitation doesn't deserve a response, amazing though, that you can type that much and still be able to spank to Rush Limbaugh
pulppeeler 2 years ago
Can't refute the study can you?
I have a lot of sources on union-only public projects:
The DC Baseball Stadium Project: Broke Promises, Big Losses for DC Residents The District Economic Empowerment Coalition (DEEC) (October 2007)
The PLA for the Iowa Events Center: An Unnecessary Burden on the Workers, Businesses and Taxpayers of Iowa Public Industry Institute Staff, Mt. Pleasant, IA (March 2006)
corymd3470 2 years ago
Union-Only Project Labor Agreements: The Public Record of Poor Performance Maurice N. Baskin (2005 edition)
Erie County Courthouse Construction Projects: Project Labor Agreement Study Ernst & Young (September 2001)
Project Labor Agreements on Public Construction Projects: The Case For and Against Worcester Municipal Research Bureau (May 2001)
corymd3470 2 years ago
Government-Mandated Project Labor Agreements in Construction: The Institutional Facts and Issues and Key Litigation: Moving Toward Union Monopoly on Federal and State Financed Projects. Government Union Review, Volume 19, Number 3. Herbert R. Northrup and Linda E. Alario. (October 2000)
Analysis of the Impacts on the Jefferson County Courthouse Complex through Project Labor Considerations Prepared for the Jefferson County (NY) Board of Legislators Professor Paul G. Carr(September 2000)
corymd3470 2 years ago
Project Labor Agreement Study: Prepared for Clark County (NV) School District Resolution Management (June 2000)
Government-Mandated Project Labor Agreements in Construction: A Force to Obtain Union Monopoly on Government-Financed Projects. Herbert R. Northrup, The Wharton School. (January 2000)
Boston Harbor-Type Project Labor Agreements in Construction: Nature, Rationales and Legal Challenges Journal of Labor Research. Herbert R. Northrup and Linda E. Alario. (Winter 1998)
corymd3470 2 years ago
Project Labor Agreements: The Extent of Their Use and Related Information GAO Report (May 1998)
Comparison of Nonunion and Union Contractors Construction Fatalities National Center for Construction Education and Research (May 1995)
Analysis of Bids and Costs to the Taxpayer for the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, New York State Dormitory Authority Construction Project Associated Builders & Contractors Empire State Chapter (March 23, 1995)
corymd3470 2 years ago
But I want you to address this:
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, real median income (inflation adjusted) for all households from 1967 to 2007 rose by almost 30 percent, going from $38,771 to $50,233. At the same time that median income has risen, the poverty rate has dropped by almost half, going from 22.4 percent in 1959 to 12.5 percent in 2007. Both the rise in median income and drop in poverty occurred in the midst of labors own membership drop-off in the private sector.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Hmmmm...wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that there are more two income households would it? Seems as (you say) union membership declined (slight increase last year) two jobs or more are needed to support a household, couple that with more college grads, and more women in the work force. Now if you want to believe that these corps. are interested in "protecting" the secret ballot...I can't help ya there, they could care less about integrity of an election as they own our poli system
pulppeeler 2 years ago
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corymd3470 2 years ago
"From 1950 to 2007, the middle class family income (real dollars, adjusted for inflation) has gone from $29,000 a year to $75,000 a year."
These numbers also don't reflect the increasing amount of other government and job related benefits which have increased.
Everyone has their own car now. Parents help their kids with higher education with more kids able to go to college than ever before. Our expectations have risen and we expect more material wealth.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Sad...everything you "footnote" are all right wing pro corporate strongholds, Baskin, Beacon Hill, Chamber of commerce....maybe you should go to my home town and see the wonderful new school scab labor built, which was flooded my senior year, and has been worked on every summer since 92...but hey, it was 50 grand cheaper then union labor...who care what we pay in the long run. Look at all the big cities...scab labor didnt build it, now go cite your books to someone who will believe your bull
pulppeeler 2 years ago
The census bureau is really right wing. ROFL!
Sorry I'm not using the "right" sources.
Why don't you come up to New York and pay taxes here to support the bloated public unions that call all of the shots in Albany and make more than who pays their salaries.. You can have our corrupt government and the only jobs available are retail.
You don't know you're born.
Just look at GM. Do you really think the unions are helping American workers? Americans don't want unions.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Like you know anything about paying taxes! LMFAO
IWLocal8 2 years ago
Juat paid them recently. Not to mention that we also pay some of the highest sales taxes in my county.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Read the Manhattan Institute report, 'Albany Inc.: The Special-Interest Conglomerate that Runs New York.'
As an example, New York ranks first in the country among states in per pupil spending ($14,884) 63 percent above the national average. The results don't reflect that. The charter schools kick the public (union teacher) school's asses. No 60% dropout rate there.
corymd3470 2 years ago
In the American Thinker February 18, 2009:
"The economy of Western New York and the cities of Buffalo and Rochester are, for practical purposes, socialist. The private sector is nearly dead, government is the largest employer, and taxes and union membership are the highest in the nation. As a result, economic growth is nil, and the population continues to migrate to the Sun Belt at an alarming rate."
corymd3470 2 years ago
He already knows about Milwaukee's Marquette Interchange which saved so much money, they were able to blow $80,000 to pat the UNION workers on the back with an ad campaign!
IWLocal8 2 years ago
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IWLocal8 2 years ago
The "Big Dig" was a union-only "project
labor agreement" (PLA). The project was estimated in 1985 at $2.8 billion but the cost turned out to be about $22 billion.
The project has incurred criminal arrests, escalating costs, death, leaks, and charges of poor execution and use of substandard materials. The Massachusetts Attorney General is demanding that contractors refund taxpayers $108 million for "shoddy work".
corymd3470 2 years ago
During a five-day surveillance of the Big Dig, the Herald observed a backhoe operator dozing off for several hours, a crane operator reading books and magazines, and another backhoe operator circling the citys Financial District with no cargo and no destination. The second backhoe operator later slept for an hour and a half.
corymd3470 2 years ago
Tell your story to GM employees. They will proabably explain to you that they don't have a job anymore because of unions. A public sector union in my state sacrificed about 5,000 of its workers because the union refused to take a pay freeze this year. Unions reduce employment because they drive up the cost of production. As a result, surpluses in the labor market in other sectors drives down wages in those sectors. The unions also drive up the price of products which reduces purchasing power.
corymd3470 2 years ago
See on YouTube: "Lou Dobbs Reports on the Latest SEIU 'Corporate Campaign'"
See: "National Right to Work Talks Card Check On Lou Dobbs"
See: "20/20 - Bailouts & Bull**** Pt. 6 of 6"
Also read Cole and Ohannian's paper on the massive strikes during the Great Depression and how pro-cartel, pro-labor legislation during FDR hurt the recovery and was one of the main reasons the depression lasted as long as it did.
See "Markets, Not Unions, Gave us Leisure" by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
corymd3470 2 years ago
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murany06 2 years ago
the whole idea of a global economy was supposed to bring the rest of the world up to our standards. unfortunately corporations took that as an opportunity to bring us down to their levels. If your referring to sen shelby, i wouldnt say his constituents were for the bailout. he wants these plants in his state is why he is so against it. you can't tell me that us steel industry was not affected by imports, thats just way way out there. *next*
pulppeeler 3 years ago
why would a company agree to a contract that overburdens itself?? collective bargaining has 2 parties sitting at the table, not just the uaw. tell me why toyota refused over 300 million from mississippi to locate a new plant there and went to canada for half as much? Because the level of workforce was so much higher and the length of time it took to get up and running at full production was shorter. *next*
pulppeeler 3 years ago
You're right, any company that would negotiate such fat cat contracts needs to go out of business, thats the whole point, Republicans belive in responsibility and that the Gubbmint isn't the solution for everything. Poorly run companies should go out of business and that will make room for new ones work for the marketshare. Don't forget that the UAW-Big3-Democrats have kept other American carmakers from competing with the Big 3 over the years, it's simply corruption.
thomasward00 3 years ago
big disagreement there. the ramifications of letting them go under are much to great. Now if republicans believed govt. wasn't the soloution to everything, they would have let the banks fail too. I dont recall any banking ceos having to sing for their supper. Mccain was falling all over himself to get back to vote on the damn thing.
pulppeeler 3 years ago 2
Most Republicans in this country did NOT support ANY bailouts, Bush and McCain went against the majority of the party in supporting any bailout. The free market goes through ebs and flows, upturns and downturns. I can't understand how democrats want socialism, when history has proved time and time again that it never works. We went though a cold war against the Soviets and witnessed their economy collapse but for some reason Dems didn't learn.
thomasward00 3 years ago
Most Democrats today simply have some sort of romance with wanting a socialist country, they want cradle to grave entitlements, they just don't realize that is very UN-AMERICAN, they belive that the gubbmint is the answer to everything when the policies of FDR and LBJ's social engineering projects never worked. Social Security, Welfare, Secion 8, Housing Projects are all dismal failures, when will the dems learn that life is not fair and there are winners and losers in life??
thomasward00 3 years ago
wow...the running gag around here is if you want to destroy a communist power, introduce capitalism, that lead to the end of the soviet union. Social security is/was not a failure. S>S> would be completely solvent if it wasnt for govt. borrowing massive amounts of funds from it. Now seeing as how you CAN'T put politics aside, and I'M assuming your conservative, how do you square christian values with letting the elderly who cannot work, and couldnt afford to amass a fortune to retire, starve
pulppeeler 3 years ago
I never said that i'm against Social Security, Medicare or SSI which are all safety nets for the elderly. SS is a loser, it pays no interest and then it dictates how and when you get it, yet another aspect of government control over our lives, the more ppl depend on the gubbmint the less control they have over their own lives, the democratic party does not praise self responsibility and it actually rewards poor behavior, call us Republicans what you want but Un-American isn't one of them.
thomasward00 3 years ago 2
I laughed so hard at all of those college students at Obama's victory speech, how little they know that once they graduate, get out in the real world and get a job, home and family they will change their tune very quick when they have to pay massive taxes. Liberalism is just adults who haven't grown up and want to live in an Ideal world.Republicans actually grow up and realize that the world is unfair,but true liberty means having the ability to succeed,but also the ability to fail,true freedom.
thomasward00 3 years ago
Bush realized the word was unfair to banks, hence his signing of the toxic asset bill...tarp...so much for govt. non intervention on the conservative side huh?
pulppeeler 2 years ago
"how do you square christian values with letting the elderly who cannot work, and couldnt afford to amass a fortune to retire, starve"
Families, churches, and charities should be the ones taking care of them.
DarrelfromZeeland 2 years ago
The U.S. automakers need to dump all of their Union contracts and build factories in the South. Toyota, Honda and Nissan are employing many americans, the Japanese and the German automakers won't deal with Unions. When G.M. has to pay billy bob union worker 50 bucks an hour while Toyota average pay is 18 dollars an hour, guess what company is more competetive and profitable?
thomasward00 3 years ago
The reasons that Toyota and the Japanese Auto industry is so successful is because the pay their design and mechanical engineers vastly more money than they do in the US and pay their CEOs considerably less. Asian and European cars slaughter the US Product through design, fuel economy and better performance. It has little to do what takes place on the Assembly Line. industry and big business have a habit of blaming unions rather than their own mismanagement.
seamoremonster 3 years ago
uaw workers make 28 hr. average. toyota in the south make about 30, purely to keep unions out. wait, their hard times are coming too. did you hear what toyota said about the southern states? after being offered 300 million to build a plant, they chose to build in canada for half that much incentive because worker training was faster and less of an effort. some southern workers had to be trained using pictures. maybe the 300 mill should be used for education.
pulppeeler 3 years ago
Have you ever been to Michigan? It's a complete dump, also you fail to realize that Canada provides college free of charge to it's citizens, but the problem with so many college grads living in a left wing country is that many of these grads are flipping burgers and driving taxis, there are more college grads than decent jobs in that country.
thomasward00 3 years ago
i live next to michigan on the border in wisconsin. have you ever been to the south? your tellin me thats worse then michigan? enough with the left/right wing bullshit. they are all out for themselves and in the pockets of corporations, hence all the jobs being shipped out of country. we CANNOT have an economy where we trade dollars and not actually produce anything
pulppeeler 3 years ago
Oh I live in the South and can tell you that I'd take Tennessee over Michigan ANY day of the week. You're right lets put partisanship away. This is a global economy, with global cometition, the whole shipping jobs overseas argument used to work, but now we have foreign companies in the U.S. employing Americans in the South and paying them darned good wages, usually over 20 per hour, which is good for a factory worker. Just like GM and Ford have foreign plants.
thomasward00 3 years ago
Why would the UAW want to burden a company so much that it simply can't compete in the market, Every industry that the Union is involved with eventually collapses, just look at the American steel industry. Each senator is elected by ppl in his district, why would a Southern Senator from a NON UNION state go against his ppl's wishes to support overpaid UNION workers? Add to that these Union states are Democratic voting states, The Senator and GOP loose nothing by voting against it.
thomasward00 3 years ago
now as for saying that unions kill all it touches, i have to disagree. you look at any major building project in volving trades and you will find the best trained workers in the world. union ironworkers recieve more training then then most people will in 2 lifetimes. you cant have people walk in off the street and send them 1000 feet in the air and tell them to work. this isn't the 20's...yet! anyways...hope you and your family have a merry christmas!! and thanks for being civil..many are not!
pulppeeler 3 years ago 2
Dear usp45compact, eat me! Corperate America is to blame for the demise of our manufacturing jobs. Hell, don't beleive me, try reading a book, here's a good start. "Take this job and ship it" Author: US Senator Byron L. Dorgan
660bird 4 years ago 3
US automakers are putting themselves out of business. Their greed and not wanting to pay a decient wage is killing America. My ford escort is made in Mexico!!!! Who needs illegal workers. thank you NAFTA
unionguy21 4 years ago
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No, Labor Unions are killing America! China loves unions. Every american manufacturing and production company that is forced to close due to rediculous union demands, means more jobs for china and othe countries.
usp45compact 4 years ago
Hey you know what, your right!!! If we can get rid of unions and their work on protecting our wages, then we can all get paid like workers in China. average manufacturing jobs in china in 2002 paid 11001 yuan a year. Exchange rate today is 1 yuan = almost 14 cents, so that gives us a nice annual income of about $1540 and some change.
YAHOO!!! WHERE DO I SIGN!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE, SAY NO TO FREE TRADE AND BRING BACK TRADE TARIFFS!!!!SAVE YOUR JOB, SAVE YOUR COUNTRY.
YAHOO SIGN ME UP!!!!
unionguy21 4 years ago 6
hey if you don't like unions go work for mcdonalds they pay low and no benifits
carter20081985 3 years ago 2
this is correct. Unions are crooked
whatupessay 3 years ago
Hi, I'm part of the LAZY ASS American Union, my motto is complain, complain, complain and don't start your own companies yet expect to get equal profits. Why don't these writers write their own books or something, or get another trade, its called quitting if you don't like what you are getting paid you all should try it sometime. United Auto Workers members are you reading this you bunch of ingrates, you guys are gonna put all US automakers out of business.
pavelow235 4 years ago
good times good times
ace8589 4 years ago