do you really think the m5 guy was racing? have you read the descriptions of the video? "the guy i invited to drive ...." you retards, there is no way a pussy car like the e63 can win on the all mighty m5! m5 rules, these are beasts, it is the worlds fastest saloon, go fuck urself bitches.
@Saiko908 Ok, seriously the e63 isn't bad one bit, and there is nothing wrong with it! The BMW M5 of course is gonna be faster because of it's 510hp V10, and it's faster tranny, and the M5 IS a beautiful car, but they are both beautiful cars, and nothing wrong with a mercedes, because there are cooler cars made by mercedes that own BMW like the SLS AMG or the Mclaren SLR. (Just NEVER get a Lexus! Lexus's are just wannabe pieces of garbage that try to copy the Germans but don't know how to!)
@perlewitzaudio do you really think that the sls amg owns the bmw? do you realy think it is cool? come dude! seriously, i admit the sls is a vintage as the bmw z8 and they both suck! not to mention and i totaly agree with you that the slr is cool but not cooler then any bmw! in all mercedes brands the only cool cars are the C class and the slr.
@Saiko908 Well, even though I can't really argue with you, they are both great brands, we used to have the 1998 BMW 740i and that was like the best car we've owned, so I can't disagree on you with that one.
@2URBO2 sweetheart the fastest saloon in the world is the g-power hurricane m5! so excuse me and go hang somewhere else bitch. it has lost its title for a jag, but not for so long, it regained its title sweety! babay, don't argue me you benz fan!
@Saiko908 You mean the limited 5 hurricane RR? Cant count, as it is not a production 4 door saloon. The Brabus is a normal production vehicle. You can even get the power package in the E-Class, C-Class, CLS.......... Almost any damn car in the Benz line, just look at the site. And, if that is the fastest bmw, it aint close to Mercedes, as they crossed the 400 km/h in the 70's.
@2URBO2 it is a 4 door saloon, and The Top Gear show confirms that it is the fastest saloon in the world, and please bitch go and do your homework, you are a shitty merc fan and i respect it, but since you don't have any knowledge about the almighty BMW brand don't argue me, because the fastest BMW is also a g-power modified m6 and can reach 373 km-h, which is fastest then any merc, and have you ever know that the Mclaren F1 has a BMW engine? so stfu bitch!
@3dimon3 i know that, and zonda is extremely fast! but our precious Mr. 2urbo2 is still living the dream in 2006 where brabus was the fastest saloon, forgetting that gpower hurricane has set a new record beating the brabus by about 7 km per hr!
@3dimon3 thanks for the advice, because he is wasting my time, and he is driving me crazy, he send me a msg concerning this subject because he passed the characters limit, and still convinced that brabus is the fastest saloon telling ME to do my homework. such waste of time!
yea the m5 was NOT in s6 mode. And maybe didnt hit the M P500s button. E63 AMG is slower than a E55 due to no kompressors and the e55 amg is almost the same as the M5. M5 pulls away at higher speeds from e55. So the E63 is either modded or the M5 driver is garbage.
@supersuperman820 watch the whole video fagstick, btw i dont need to watch the vid to know what the merc sounds like to still comment you fagstick, your such a fagstick ya fagstick
i thought the m5 would do better.. I Love the Benz tho. i dont like pushing my friends cars to the limit when they tell me to drive it neither soo i understand
Oh one more thing, with your stinking attitude, its very likely that you will perform one or more of the killer moves (slam the keyboard, or splash your bowl of stinking soup at the monitor). You are my inspiration!
And how about the latest from Munich -- 4.4 liter TWIN TURBO V8 putting out 400 hp.
What an underperformer. No wonder why them boys in Munich failed so miserably in F1 are now relegated to the chasing midfield at the FIA WTCC having been obliterated so pitifully by Chevy and SEAT. The Merc S550 has a 5.5 liter V8 NA and is rated @ 388hp. Thats a close shave with the BMW needing forced induction and barely getting out of 300 hp territory!!!
Or it could go the either way around too. Mercedes are known for solid build quality,excellent ride and comfort not to mention the prestige that goes along with the three-pointed star badge. They have led the way fo a long time in these criteria so its business as usual for them. But in a recession, luxury car makes especially the most expensive kinds like MB will naturally suffer but despite this, it seems they are still doing well as with other makes too.
Guys calm the fuck down. BMW and Mercedes are like brothers, They have the same goals, same drivetrains same unmistakable blood. You guys should concern audi fags comparing their cheap piece of junks to BMWs and Mercs!!!!
BMW owners will always have a Mercedes as a subtle.
Mercedes owners will always have BMW as a subtle.
audis new owners thinks that they are buying the ultimate machine!!! hell they don't even make engines nor transmissions!!
Its so lame when fanboys start making up shit and allow lively fruitful debates into low blows. Such arguments like 7 series outselling the S-class worldwide??? Even the most loyal Beemer fans here can accept facts that truly UNDENIABLE. Yet some newbies here twist stuff up which is just wrong. Defend your BMWs with honesty and integrity. And accept what is universally known.
From Fortune Magazine's "World's Most Admired Company":
"Perhaps the most striking examples of corporate trust this year are in the industries that suffered the most. In one of the most tumultuous years in the automobile business, BMW moved sharply up the list from No. 28 to 22 as it retained the crown as the world's bestselling premium car maker and moved swiftly to meet stricter fuel-economy standards with cars like its 1 Series." Again confirmation BMW sells more than mb. Stop dreaming buddy.
Actually, i dont think you will find bimmer fans who will say mb outsells BMW because that's simply not true, as i already demonstrated.
However, i can give examples of hardcore benz fans, frustrated because BMW's cars generally perform better. If you want, i will look some examples up for you. I remember a guy complaining that the new C350 is still slower than BMW's E46 330i (which is 8 years older!). Benz fans are scared of BMW, not the other way around and you know it.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Scared??? Scared about what? Benz owners are regular,family-oriented people who value comfort and safety more than performance. Only a small percentage of Benz owners actually race their cars on illegal midnight racing car clubs. That is why motor racing to me is a better gauge as to how a company performs with regards to speed. And between Mercedes and BMW -- MERCEDES RULES.
As i already demonstrated BMW outsells merc. Also, BMW won the international engine of the year award 6 times out of 12 editions vs ZERO for benz. In 80% of the car reviews, when a bimmer is compared to a mb, the BMW comes on top. This is the hard truth for you, and i think you simply cannot accept that. BMW road car quality is superior to that of mb, hence the sales win for BMW. This is the real war, this is where the gloves go off and where the money is made. BMW wins.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP International Engine award organization is private. Car magazines is private. They can be bought and influenced. And carbuyers don't only look at engines when buying a car. You like to debate with me about performance yet you are scared to discuss motorsports success because you know you will lose pretty badly. BMW, not M-B are the ones claiming they are sporty yet fail to win in motor racing. Mercedes is mostly about comfort and safety but still wins racing championships.
Let's be honest: who's gonna buy a merc instead of a BMW, simply because in Sepang an F1 car with a mb badge on it would pass the finish first? Nobody. This is your only argument, which is flawed. Who would buy a BMW instead of a merc, because BMW has more engine awards, does better in shows like TG, car reviews, etc? Everybody. The fact that these are private is irrelevant. People buying cars are private too. You see my point? The war is SELLING, not racing, and you know it.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP If BMW and Mercedes were priced the same, who would buy a BMW? The fact alone that your brand is cheaper means you should sell more. Omegas outsell Rolex too. More Nokias are sold compared to iPhones. Simple logic. Yet despite E-Class and S-Class being more expensive, they are both global market leaders in sales which is impressive. The war is selling you say? Then at least at top models (E/S/SL/CL,etc.) of Mercedes beats BMW and thats a fact.
E/S/SL/CL beating competing BMW models is another claim you make without backing it. Give me proof, I simply don't believe it. And even IF it's true, total BMW sales as a premium brand top mb sales. FACT. And I repeat: there's NOT a huge price difference between an SL and a 6 series, a 3 series and a c class, and so on. That's pure bullshit. Accept defeat, people are smart enough to buy the best car and that's BMW, hence the sales figures. BMW is the leading premium car maker.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP You can see for yourself the proof. Use google. Use MSN. Only a dumbfuck who can't accept reality would dare say the S-class or the E-class is outsold by BMW. And not a huge difference in price??? Take the SL550 priced at $102k vs 650i at 84k -- is that not a huge difference??? Fact is, the very top models Mercedes outsells BMW. All you have that makes BMW outsell Mercedes overall is the 3er and mini. But above those el cheapos, Mercedes rules.
The fact is, for almost all BMW models, there is a competing merc model: M3 vs c63, M5 vs e63, 760i vs s600 etc. But not for all merc models there is a competing BMW model - for example, BMW doesnt compete with the SLS. So, in theory, merc appeals to a larger group of customers. One would logically assume merc outsells BMW then, since they try to have an answer to all BMW models. However, BMW sales STILL top benz sales. I hope you finally understand now that your logic is flawed.
You pathetic dreamer.The 5 Series outsold the E-Class from 2005 right to 2008 inclusive. In 2009 the E-Class outsold the 5 Series because the new generation E-Class entered the market and the contemporary 5 Series production was coming to end.This year the new generation 5 Series enters the market and we'll see the usual thing:the 5er trumps the E-Class. As for the 7er vs S-Class,in 2009 the advantage of the S-Class was miserable (700 units).This year the 7er leads the sales.
@BabkenBMW Hahahahaha!!! S-class has been top large luxury sedan since 1965 up to now so get your facts straight. E-class is also clear market leader in mid-size luxury. I'll send you the links as proof so you'll know what an idiot you are!
Your links once again showed how stupid you are. I've never said that the 7er dominated the S-Class. I said that TODAY they're even, hence the sales numbers. Next, my comments regarding the 5er vs the E-Class are true. And I replied to you with official sales figures as different from your false fairy tale statistics. So now we see which of us is an idiot. That's you. Moreover you're an ultimate idiot.
@BabkenBMW wawiebeastman did not accuse you of commenting "7er dominated the S-Class", he argued that 7er is not equivalent to S-Class, can't you read the "=" sign? By the way, you have been self-contradicting because you did comment that the BMW760i beats the S600, S63 and S65 on the other video 'S600 V12 0-200km/h'.
@BabkenBMW I disagree with you in that 5 series Beemers outselling E-klasse Mercs since I find that there are thousands of Merc E-klasse diesels and 2.0L petrol taxis all over europe, asia,africa and south america. In Europe alone they outnumber audi or bmw 10 to 1. That alone should boost sales and Merc diesels aren't cheap too. Taxi operators prefer Mercedes because they are more reliable and are easy to maintain.
Maybe that explains why BMW outsells Merc in US, England and Asia lol.
I have big respect for Mercedes don't get me wrong. BMW is my priority due to good price combined with high performance, nimble handling and awesome engine with unmistakable engine noise starting from BMW's 4 cylinder engines all the way to the outstanding V10. I mean 47 engine awards what can i say?. My secondary car would always be a Merc, with V8 screamer, because its fast and comfortable, and its a Merc :)
My friend. Benz fans are typically silly. So don't waste your time trying to convince wawiebeastman, as he's a mere dreamer constrained to F1. Let him drown in his dreams. The reality is rather different from his dreams.
Motor racing in this day of economic crisis, is excessive. Heck, Porsche for example never won an F1 title, but we all know Porsche is a brilliant car maker. A 911 turbo kicks the crap out of an slr, mb's "supercar". Renault won more F1 titles as constructor and engine maker than benz. If we apply your flawed logic Renault is a better car maker than mercedes. You see my point? Road car engineering is more important than racing engineering: this is where the money and prestige is.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Renault participated in F1 longer than Mercedes hence more wins. Mercedes joined F1 in 1954 (won Championship) and 1955 (again won championship) then pulled out of F1. Returned with Sauber in 1994 then joined McLaren in 1995 to this day. So relatively speaking, despite racing less years than Renault and Ferrari and winning straight out, you have to be impressed. As for Porsche, we raced against them in the FIA-GT in the late 90's and soundly kicked their ass along with BMW.
Be honest: results from the 1950s are irrelevant today. The last 15 years are relevant. In these years Ferrari is THE dominant force in F1 (and a fortiori in racing), heck even Renault have 2 titles. My point is: if you want to buy a supercar by a company with racing success, you get a Ferrari, not a mb. If you want to buy a sporty, well engineered premium car, you get a BMW (hence the sales). You see my point? mb is never the best, not in racing, not in supercars, not in premium cars.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The past will always be relevant be it the 50's or earlier. The fact is Mercedes have won racing titles whenever they participated be it in 1935 or 1955 or 1998 or 2009. Mercedes may have less titles tan Ferrari having raced in only 18 seasons out of 61 F1 years!!! Ferrari have raced in all 61 years. BMW even raced longer (1982-1989 with Brabham/Benetton and Arrows teams) then came back in 1999 with Williams then joined Sauber in 2006 then pulled out in 2009 = 19 seasons.
You tell me, what's today's relevance of F1 results of several decades ago, in deciding which brand is the best today? That's all you care about when buying a road car today??? Come on buddy, listen to yourself. Besides, TODAY, Ferrari is more successful in racing than mb. Surely you cant deny that, given the F1 results of last 10,20 years? Man, i never met a more biased benz fanboy than you. Why the fuck am i even wasting my time with this? You argue without logic.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well it shows consistency. Mercedes was the best in 1950 and earlier, the best in the 80's,the best in the 90's and the best until today. And to compare Ferrari and M-B in F1 is flawed.Ferrari have raced in F1 for 60 years while Mercedes raced in under 20 years. Besides, its not like Mercedes only started winning recently. We've been winning before you were born and will continue to win even after you die. Too bad BMW cannot say the same because they pulled out after failures!
It's not flawed to compare Ferrari and mb in F1 in the last 15 years when they raced together. These results are relevant for today's discussion which one is best in racing. And what do we see? Ferrari: 6 titles, Renault: 5 titles, benz: 4 titles. In today's world, Ferrari is better than mb in racing. FACT. Heck, even Renault is better. Stop going back to results of more than 50 years ago to claim mb is better than Ferrari. You're dreaming of the 1950s, but please, we live in 2010 now.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well in that case, at least we have 4 titles. And in the last 15 years, how many titles does BMW have? I also take comfort in knowing that since 2005 up to today, we have won more races than Ferrari and Renault making Mercedes the winningest F1 engine for the last 6 years!!! Bravo!! Bravissimo!! Hooray!! It should be sweeter had BMW been around longer but hey a loser is a loser so they left F1 without a constructors title. Plus, you can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC. Shame shame
benz teamed up with a highly successful F1 team, McLaren. McLaren wins titles because it is a good team; the engine supplier is virtually unimportant. The comparison of BMW vs benz in the past years in F1 is unfair, because BMW had to run its entire team while benz only supplied engines when they won. In other words, the car had a mb badge and that's it. It remains to be seen if the mercedes team will score a title. The first results surely weren't really impressive to me...
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The recent times McLaren won, Mercedes was already part owner of mcLaren in fact majority owner of McLaren. So we have ownership in McLaren even up to today. but when Mercedes decided to buy Brawn GP after winning 2009 titles, as per F1 rules, you can only own 1 team so Mercedes will be slowly selling back shares to mcLaren by 2012 but continue to supply engines until 2015. Get your facts straight before you post. And the 1 drivers title BMW won they were just engine supplier.
Besides, even in racing you get you ass handed to you by brands like Ferrari and Renault. In your flawed logic, Renault is superior to benz. You contradict yourself. You think people care about F1 results when buying a car? Please, you're so naive.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Oh really? Mercedes are the current world champions the past couple of years so how can my ass be handed to me when in fact I have bragging rights being the CURRENT CHAMPION. Just as S-Class or E-class or SL-class are the current champions in their segment in sales. I've sent you proof so I expect you to read 'em so you won't accuse me of making up stuff.
The only thing that matters when comparing BMW and benz is the quality of their road cars. And we all know BMW's models always outperform merc's competing models. The mighty M3 outperforms the uncontrollable c63 on every track, the multiple award-winning E60 M5 outperformed the uncharismatic w211 e63, and i can keep going on. Hence BMW's fantastic global sales record. BMW is the clear winner over benz, and will be for many years to come.
I'm ending this discussion right here and believe me, i'm not reading your replies. The only thing you keep bringing up is racing results (which is irrelevant in this discussion and today's world - some racing results of the 1950s even) while you get your ass handed to you by Ferrari and Renault. Besides, you're making a fool of yourself because of the 2007 spy scandal and the whopping $ 100 000 000 fine. World wide disgust. Please, learn to argue with logic.
What about the fact that BMW M5 engine alone won more awards in the International Engine of the Year Award competition than your Mercedes-Benz in total?Shame, shame.What about the fact that BMW trumps Mercedes-Benz in vast majority of reliability reports?Shame, shame.What about the fact that BMW owns Mercedes-Benz in technology, performance and fuel consumption? Shame, shame.These are the facts that put BMW higher than Mercedes-Benz in the market.And that's why people choose BMW.
@BabkenBMW So then why can't BMW beat a small company like SEAT??? M Division is supposed to dominate WTCC but shamefully, BMW are lapped bigtime. Thousands of people read auto magazines talking about engine awards you say but millions or even billions (in the case of F1) , watch motor races around the world. Even if M5 engine wins a award written in a magazine, few thousand know about it. But if BMW loses to SEAT in WTCC by big gap, many many more know about it and will reflect on your image.
In real world the M-POWER owns any Seat and comparable Mercedes-Benz. As I've already said your problem is that you judge a brand by its results in races cars of which has nothing in common with real world automobiles. Want it or not here's the bitter truth for you:
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well in that case, at least we have 4 titles. And in the last 15 years, how many titles does BMW have? I also take comfort in knowing that since 2005 up to today, we have won more races than Ferrari and Renault making Mercedes the winningest F1 engine for the last 6 years!!! Bravo!! Bravissimo!! Hooray!! It should be sweeter had BMW been around longer but hey a loser is a loser so they left F1 without a constructors title. Plus, you can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC. Shame shame
The ONLY judge to who is right in this discussion are the annual sales figures of BMW vs benz. I am very confident i will come out the winner in this war for many years to come, while the pitful merc sales will keep dropping. Sure, you can have your 3, maybe 4 GP wins this year. McLaren will ditch benz anyway after the contract is over, and get other engines, so the merc team is left alone. Not a great prospection, judging from their bad economic results...
However, this racing element is irrelevant in this discussion. That's the only argument you can make up, to disguise the fact benz sales keep dropping in favor of BMW. This is the hard truth that you apparently can't accept. THIS is the real war, where the gloves go off and where money is made. BMW is the leading premium car maker, and mb is falling even behind audi lately. The reason? BMW's superior performance and charisma make it the most award winning cars in the world.
To conclude, i would like to make the analogy with a democracy. In a democracy, the voter is always right. In a world of free market economy, the buyer is always right. When comparing two premium car makers, the one who sells the most units, is the winner. And that's BMW. It is well known BMW and audi sales have risen the past decades and benz sales have dropped because of this. BMW total (without mini) global sales TOP benz global sales. FACT, as i demonstrated many times.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP So the buyers of S-class,E-class,etc. , Mercedes' more upper range and prestigious models are always right in choosing such over the pitiful 7er or 5er. Keep your 3er or Mini to pad your worldwide sales but when it comes to the top range models, BMW loses out big time. Imagine the S-class being more than 10k more expensive than comparable 7er yet still outsells it. Poor poor 7 series. At least the smarter richer people of the world know what is best and that is the S-class.
My final words to you are symbolic for BMW's dominance over benz. ///M POWER !!! The mighty ///M symbol is on the steering wheel of my own car, and reminds me i'm driving the Ultimate Driving Machine, a work of engineering brilliance. A car made by the world's leading Premium car manufacturer today, tomorrow, and for several decades to come as well, most likely for eternity.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP M division my ass you can't even beat SEAT or Chevy in WTCC. M division cannot even Mercedes when they were racing in the DTM or the FIA-GT Championship. Second rate sporty division if you cannot win titles. Engineering brilliance is what wins races and that something BMW has struggled to do. I fear Audi even more than BMW in racing. Audi has better racing pedigree. BMW is shit compared to Audi especially in touring cars and rally cars.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP M division my ass you can't even beat SEAT or Chevy in WTCC. M division cannot even Mercedes when they were racing in the DTM or the FIA-GT Championship. Second rate sporty division if you cannot win titles. Engineering brilliance is what wins races and that something BMW has struggled to do. I fear Audi even more than BMW in racing. Audi has better racing pedigree. BMW is shit compared to Audi especially in touring cars and rally cars.
Your logic that BMW is cheaper so they sell more, is flawed again. If merc is better than BMW, they should be able to make for every BMW that costs x dollars, a merc that performs better and costs less than x dollars. Hence people will buy the merc and not the BMW. This is the principle of a free market. Nothing is preventing merc to do that, so they would sell more than BMW. The reason people buy BMW is their performance is better (335i vs c350) for about the same price. FACT.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Again your comparison is flawed. Why do you insist that performance is the main reason people buy cars? People don't buy cars based on horsepower or 0-60 times. Wake up. More people buy cars because of price and value or styling and amenities. Some also buy because of safety and comfort. In fact, Benz buyers are not even performance-seekers. They just want a classy comfortable ride with high prestige and value. And yes the cheaper one should sell more. Basic principle economics
Go and buy an F1 car, idiot. And we'll see how you can drive them on public roads. As I said several times you're stupid. And the best testimony to my words is the fact you judge the brands by their wins in the F1.
@BabkenBMW You failed to get my point. I was stating that if a company wants to sell sporty cars, they have to be sucessful in motor racing. That is Ferrari has the edge over Lambo or that Subaru has the edge over Hyundai. BMW, known to picture itself as sporty, is in fact the least successful German brand among the big three. Mercedes and Audi have a much better racing history. And again, I follow all motorsports not just F1 that is why I know BMW are also losers in the WTCC.
Prior to buying an automobile customers go and test drive the competing models. And you'll be disappointed to find out that majority of them chooses BMW over Mercedes-Benz and Audi. So this fact alone shows how false is your judgment of evaluating brands based on their race success. And my point is sound: the racing world has nothing in common with the real world.
So, given my point, I also like to reiterate that it is more likely for people to buy a car based on the company's racing success (F1,WRC,etc.) than a company's rank on a magazine. Like they say -- WIN ON SUNDAY , SELL ON MONDAY. And when it comes to racing victories, Mercedes at the moment, is King.
@wawiebeastman my dad is got the car you have for a profile picture 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 SEL car looks like it came out of the dealership yesterday.
@BMWE60M5 Well same here. BMW is by majority, the lesser brand. There are few in this world who think otherwise like yourself. As for sales, the onl thing going for BMW is the 3er vs. C-class. The cheaper models BMW stands a chance vs. Mercedes. But if we go E-class upwards (S-class/CL-class/SL-class,etc.), BMW are sorry losers. Check the numbers. Facts are facts. Mercedes E-class is the top-selling mid-size premium car and the S-class is the top-selling large luxury sedan. Facts are facts.
Besides, your point is stupid. You think people buy a car based on a company's racing success and NOT based on how the car itself is reviewed? That's the most retarded thing i ever read.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Facts are facts. More people actually buy cars by what they see on TV like motor racing success or that it is driven by famous (or infamous) people more than Car & Driver or Motor Trend reviews. Heck! Even Top Gear has more influence on car buyers than "paid for" magazine columnists.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
@BabkenBMW What an idiotic point. Yes Mercedes is the King of Racing at the moment but that does not mean 100% of the car buying public will buy Mercedes. Winning Championships and races does reinforce a company's image as well as sales. And speaking of winning races, Mercedes just won the Aussie Grand Prix. BMW? Somewhere in the back. You might think BMW are out of F1 but the Sauber chassis is still BMW slapped with a Ferrari engine. How convenient. But still a loser.
The word "idiotic" is what describes a typical benz fan boy like you. The race cars have nothing in common with real world automobiles. We're talking about the real world automobiles. So compare BMW and Mercedes-Benz competing models and you'll see that Mercedes-Benz always falls behind. I can give you just one website: fastestlaps com. And I repeat once again: the sales numbers are the most precise indicator to judge which company is better. And it is BMW.
@BabkenBMW Idiotic? Why do car companies race in the first place? Isn't it like an extension of their research and development department? What Mercedes-Benz learns in racing they put to use on their road cars didn't you know that? Besides, didn't your beloved BMW participate in F1,Le Mans,etc.? My golly you have a lot to learn about cars. As for competing models, what category are you talking about? Most of the things people use are subjective like exterior looks and
@BabkenBMW If sales figures are to go by then you lose -- S-Class outsells the 7er. E-class outsells the 5er. CLK outsells the 6er,M-class outsells the X5. Perhaps the only thing you got going is the 3er and X3. The 3er is BMW's bread and butter. From E-class upwards its all Mercedes. Look at the sales figures and learn the bitter truth.
@BabkenBMW The ultimate indicator about a company's engineering prowess is motor racing. People don't buy cars based porimarily on 0-60 times. They buy cars based on styling,amenities and features,safety and comfort,etc. You discount racing success when the website you are suggesting compares speeds of stock cars. So you are eating your own words!!! And even using sales numbers as an indicator to know the best company is flawed. McDonalds sells more burgers than In & Out. Is it better?
I agree with the points BabkenBMW makes. The real fight is not in F1, racing success is virtually irrelevant in today's world of economic crisis. The real fight is the sales war of BMW vs mb vs audi. This is where the gloves go off,and where money is made. And we all know BMW today is winning that war, audi is rising and mb is falling. The ultimate indicator about a company's engineering prowess is how well they build their production cars, hence BMW's formidable sales numbers.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Yes that is true. In case you are not aware, the S-class outsells the 7-series, the E-class outsells the 5er when you had the Z8, the SL kicked its butt. The SLK outsells the Z4, the M-class beats the X5. BMW sales are only padded by 3er and Mini sales which are cheap compared to the E-class upwards. BMW is and will always be below Mercedes in prestige and racing pedigree.
The 7 Series is even with the s-class in terms of sales;
Yes, the e-class outsells the 5 series, but it's because the e is newer while the new generation 5 series just starts to hit dealerships. So in several months the 5er will beat the e-class as always;
The X5 beats the ml;
The 3 Series beats the c-class,
The M beats the amg despite the fact amg has a much more wider range.
So stop talking rubbish without knowing the facts.
@BabkenBMW Please stick to facts. The 7er was never a challenge to the S-class. The E-class was always over and above the 5er in sales so where the hell are you getting your facts from??? Even if your new 5er comes out, no one cares -- its still a BMW which is lower than Mercedes. Accept the harsh truth. And stick to real world facts and not made up stuff ok. I'm an honest person. I never post lies like you. Never ever say the 7er is equal with the S-class especially on sales dumbass.
You're too ridiculous. The e-class was, is and will always be behind the 5 Series, you idiot. The only model of Mercedes-Benz I accept is the S-Class which comes close to the 7 Series.
@BabkenBMW Bullshit. Google E-class vs 5 series worldwide car sales and see for yourself who is the world leader in sales idiot. Your 7er and 5er and second rate compared to the S-Class and E-class. And stop dreaming that your 7er is close to the S-class -- its too far behind. Research first before you post.
Sir, I have another comment for you (again, not clever but logical):
Your comment: "A complete rubbish. BMW 328i will kick this sluttish mercedes ass with one tyre." truly exhibits your cleverness or superior intelligence.
I presume you have some empirical proofs to support the "fact" you have presented. Right?
Furthermore, you shouldnt brag too much about mb in racing. In the 2 years when hakkinen won the F1 title, the engines weren't even really built by mb - they were built by a company called Ilmor Engineering. The engine actually never saw benz people before it was fitted into the mclaren. Plus, in 2007, the team got fined a whopping 100 million USD for stealing highly advanced technology from Ferrari. Not something to be proud of, in my opinion. Ferrari is superior in F1, not mb.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Oh my. Mercedes already had a stake in Ilmor that time. In fact, they already had equity in Ilmor since 1994 when the Penske-Mercedes were racing in CART Indy in the USA winning the 1994 Indy 500. As for the spy case, yes Alonso sold McLaren out. But McLaren isn't the only Mercedes team I am rooting for. The Brawn-Mercedes now Mercedes GP are the reigning F1 champions so bash McLaren all you want for all I care. At least we have titles to brag about. You? Zip. Nada. Loser.
You're a typical silly benz lover who is constrained to just the F1. I repeat: the F1 racing has nothing in common with real world automobiles. Can you see F1 cars on the streets today? Well, maybe in your foolish dreams?
@BabkenBMW F1 cars have alot in common with regular cars -- both run on petrol, =both have 4 tires, a steering wheel, etc., etc., etc. Like I said, its research. Racing is a way of improving road cars. And yes, F1 cars can be seen on streets too when they race on street courses. No need to dream there buddy. Btw, I follow most motorsports not just F1 that is why I know that BMW has been losing in whatever series they are into -- F1,WTCC,etc. What a shame.
Actually, there are 2 reasons why i dont like benz.
1. I've driven both BMWs and mercs (i'm not making this up) and the feeling you get in a BMW is totally different from that in a benz. Everything in the bimmer is made for an ultimate driving experience, it's just a unique feeling driving a BMW.
2. Everywhere i come, benz fans start insulting BMW fans (like you do) and keep saying BMW is "below" merc. Well, BMW outsells benz and wins more awards, so it's "above" benz = FACTS.
If you think that the F1 cars have a lot with the real world cars then I feel mere pity for you. Your comments have just one argument which is absolutely poor. BMW tops Mercedes-Benz in nearly all rankings starting from engines and ending with reliability. This fact itself rejects your poor way of thinking. As I've already said you're a typical silly benz fan boy, so it's very amusing to read your childish comments that make the automotive world laugh at your stupidity.
@BabkenBMW How many times do I have to repeat to you that racing in general (including F1), is way of developing the road car. ABS,disc brakes,power steering were all introduced in race cars which were later put into road cars so I don't understand why this fact confuses you. And childish? Stupid? What is wrong with what I said? Unless offcourse your english comprehension is limited.
No need to call me a loser buddy. Stay polite please. Anyway, you claim mb outsells BMW. You need to back that statement with facts, because i think you are wrong. BMW outsells both mb and audi: google "4 wheelsnews bmw mercedes global sales". Global sales is where the gloves go off and money is made. This shows that F1 is irrelevant. Nobody cares about F1 in this day of economic crisis, everybody cares about driving the best engineered road car, hence BMWs massive global sales.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The reason why BMW is the top selling premium brand is because of the 3 series and mini coopers. Offcourse those are like the dinner rolls of your company -- cheap and easy to sell. But when it comes to sales of E-class,S-class,SL or CL class -- all market leaders in their segment, BMW loses big time. And the amazing thing is, the E-class and S-class are even more expensive than their BMW rivals yet still outsells 'em.
Sorry i have to disagree with you. When you google "BMW vs mercedes global sales" you will see that the numbers for mini are NOT included. Google "worldwide sales falls autospies" and you will see the same. BMW cars are sold more than mb cars. Period. BMW Group as a whole also does better than daimler. Period. Show me some exact proof of your claims buddy, like i do here. However, i don't think you will be able to find proof because your claims are simply false. BMW is the winner.
@MrKILLERSHRIMP BMWs are cheaper to begin with. So its like Omega outselling Rolex. So even if you outsell the more expensive Mercedes, the fact that we are not that far behind despite the price difference is already amazing. Mercedes still makes money and we are still winning races and championships. I don't watch sales figures on TV. Who pays too much attention to numbers anyway? But I enjoy watching Mercedes win races especially when competing against BMW who we beat quite easily.
sorry m5 ///AMG rules man love these fuckin cars
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6.3 /////AMG
12BadBoyy 3 weeks ago
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12BadBoyy 3 weeks ago
That M5 lost but oh boy does it sound sweet!!
mrdjbrand 4 months ago 8
@mrdjbrand I would rather have the M5 ruin me finically than a grunting farting V8 AMG
mada9898 2 months ago
Modded MB idiots =-)
Majky1233 5 months ago
read description morons
mrzkhan1 6 months ago
do you really think the m5 guy was racing? have you read the descriptions of the video? "the guy i invited to drive ...." you retards, there is no way a pussy car like the e63 can win on the all mighty m5! m5 rules, these are beasts, it is the worlds fastest saloon, go fuck urself bitches.
Saiko908 7 months ago
@Saiko908 Ok, seriously the e63 isn't bad one bit, and there is nothing wrong with it! The BMW M5 of course is gonna be faster because of it's 510hp V10, and it's faster tranny, and the M5 IS a beautiful car, but they are both beautiful cars, and nothing wrong with a mercedes, because there are cooler cars made by mercedes that own BMW like the SLS AMG or the Mclaren SLR. (Just NEVER get a Lexus! Lexus's are just wannabe pieces of garbage that try to copy the Germans but don't know how to!)
perlewitzaudio 6 months ago
@perlewitzaudio do you really think that the sls amg owns the bmw? do you realy think it is cool? come dude! seriously, i admit the sls is a vintage as the bmw z8 and they both suck! not to mention and i totaly agree with you that the slr is cool but not cooler then any bmw! in all mercedes brands the only cool cars are the C class and the slr.
Saiko908 6 months ago
@Saiko908 Well, even though I can't really argue with you, they are both great brands, we used to have the 1998 BMW 740i and that was like the best car we've owned, so I can't disagree on you with that one.
perlewitzaudio 6 months ago
@Saiko908 Bitches? Fastest saloon in the world is a Benz modified by Brabus, so go hang somehwere else bitch.
2URBO2 5 months ago
@2URBO2 sweetheart the fastest saloon in the world is the g-power hurricane m5! so excuse me and go hang somewhere else bitch. it has lost its title for a jag, but not for so long, it regained its title sweety! babay, don't argue me you benz fan!
Saiko908 5 months ago
@Saiko908 You mean the limited 5 hurricane RR? Cant count, as it is not a production 4 door saloon. The Brabus is a normal production vehicle. You can even get the power package in the E-Class, C-Class, CLS.......... Almost any damn car in the Benz line, just look at the site. And, if that is the fastest bmw, it aint close to Mercedes, as they crossed the 400 km/h in the 70's.
2URBO2 5 months ago
@2URBO2 it is a 4 door saloon, and The Top Gear show confirms that it is the fastest saloon in the world, and please bitch go and do your homework, you are a shitty merc fan and i respect it, but since you don't have any knowledge about the almighty BMW brand don't argue me, because the fastest BMW is also a g-power modified m6 and can reach 373 km-h, which is fastest then any merc, and have you ever know that the Mclaren F1 has a BMW engine? so stfu bitch!
Saiko908 5 months ago
@Saiko908 zonda r have mers engine ;) i like both merc , bmw ;)
3dimon3 5 months ago
@3dimon3 i know that, and zonda is extremely fast! but our precious Mr. 2urbo2 is still living the dream in 2006 where brabus was the fastest saloon, forgetting that gpower hurricane has set a new record beating the brabus by about 7 km per hr!
Saiko908 5 months ago
@Saiko908 smart people have objective opinion ;) dont waste much time for them ;)
3dimon3 5 months ago
@3dimon3 thanks for the advice, because he is wasting my time, and he is driving me crazy, he send me a msg concerning this subject because he passed the characters limit, and still convinced that brabus is the fastest saloon telling ME to do my homework. such waste of time!
Saiko908 4 months ago
hahaha die amg mag eens met mij bmw m6 gpower hahah
alban411 8 months ago
@alban411 I know what you are saying, but Brabus makes better cars and faster ones too, take for example the 2012 EV12 with top speed over 370 km/h.
2URBO2 5 months ago
the e60 bmw m5 is shit -.- E39 RULEZZZZ
BoSAnDZeRo007 9 months ago
M5 got spanked but it sure sounded like hot punanni on wheels
johnpallotta00 9 months ago
M5 sounds like child crying
Niksonii 9 months ago 2
@Niksonii hahahahaha :D
JizZa1231 8 months ago
AMG AMG AMG M5 geneukt door AMG altijd bla blaaaaa a aa AMG dit dat hier mensen die heeft letrijk m5 getroken ga maar naar achter faking m5
Nicola32893 9 months ago
yea the m5 was NOT in s6 mode. And maybe didnt hit the M P500s button. E63 AMG is slower than a E55 due to no kompressors and the e55 amg is almost the same as the M5. M5 pulls away at higher speeds from e55. So the E63 is either modded or the M5 driver is garbage.
MpowerMike 11 months ago
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MrBenja916 11 months ago
////AMG rules
19schwartzfahrer95 1 year ago
I can tell the guy in the m5 is a new driver
WeezyBestRapperAlive 1 year ago
i dont care if people say the m5 is better, nothing beats the sound of the mercs v8
brazzr 1 year ago
@brazzr that sounds was the M5 dumb ass
supersuperman820 11 months ago 3
@supersuperman820 watch the whole video fagstick, btw i dont need to watch the vid to know what the merc sounds like to still comment you fagstick, your such a fagstick ya fagstick
brazzr 11 months ago
love the sound of m5
boossalim123 1 year ago
Love the sound of that AMG!!!!!
shanmirza007 1 year ago
did the other guy know that you were racing? hahahahaha
jiZZZm 1 year ago 2
i thought the m5 would do better.. I Love the Benz tho. i dont like pushing my friends cars to the limit when they tell me to drive it neither soo i understand
Jayhotdaynot 1 year ago
The M5 sounds like shit
kingssuck06 1 year ago
benz owns all day everyday
kukurishk 1 year ago
lol AMG is my middle name and my plate says "BMWKLR" haha
4jiggy1 1 year ago
AMG Nice engineering!!!!
idpaipsc 1 year ago
ohh yess!!! Mercedes Benz rockss ;)
metropolisss 1 year ago
Mercedes benz ///AMG 4 ever
mooazz 1 year ago 3
nice benz!!
cvwkxam1 1 year ago
Yessss babyyy 525 PS V8 German Poweerrrr ///AMG 4ever
ChannyVanny 1 year ago 25
@ChannyVanny
W211 my fiend
just 514 PS ;-)
rooniz1234 1 year ago
so you own those 2 cars?:| you're one lucky guy:D
chris11aa22bb 1 year ago
the 2010 e63 amg is even better (0-100 in only 4.3 seconds
dagc99 1 year ago
Mercedes Benz.....simply the best.
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In every track is E63 AMG eats overrated BMW5 (so much about performance)
PEROlozhach 1 year ago 2
@BabkenBMW
Oh one more thing, with your stinking attitude, its very likely that you will perform one or more of the killer moves (slam the keyboard, or splash your bowl of stinking soup at the monitor). You are my inspiration!
BabkenBMWstinks 1 year ago
I guess we are the same type of people because we are both having fun. :-)
BabkenBMWstinks 1 year ago
And how about the latest from Munich -- 4.4 liter TWIN TURBO V8 putting out 400 hp.
What an underperformer. No wonder why them boys in Munich failed so miserably in F1 are now relegated to the chasing midfield at the FIA WTCC having been obliterated so pitifully by Chevy and SEAT. The Merc S550 has a 5.5 liter V8 NA and is rated @ 388hp. Thats a close shave with the BMW needing forced induction and barely getting out of 300 hp territory!!!
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
Or it could go the either way around too. Mercedes are known for solid build quality,excellent ride and comfort not to mention the prestige that goes along with the three-pointed star badge. They have led the way fo a long time in these criteria so its business as usual for them. But in a recession, luxury car makes especially the most expensive kinds like MB will naturally suffer but despite this, it seems they are still doing well as with other makes too.
striker90041 1 year ago
Guys calm the fuck down. BMW and Mercedes are like brothers, They have the same goals, same drivetrains same unmistakable blood. You guys should concern audi fags comparing their cheap piece of junks to BMWs and Mercs!!!!
BMW owners will always have a Mercedes as a subtle.
Mercedes owners will always have BMW as a subtle.
audis new owners thinks that they are buying the ultimate machine!!! hell they don't even make engines nor transmissions!!
BMW a Mercedes for ever.
justincrap 1 year ago
Its so lame when fanboys start making up shit and allow lively fruitful debates into low blows. Such arguments like 7 series outselling the S-class worldwide??? Even the most loyal Beemer fans here can accept facts that truly UNDENIABLE. Yet some newbies here twist stuff up which is just wrong. Defend your BMWs with honesty and integrity. And accept what is universally known.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
From Fortune Magazine's "World's Most Admired Company":
"Perhaps the most striking examples of corporate trust this year are in the industries that suffered the most. In one of the most tumultuous years in the automobile business, BMW moved sharply up the list from No. 28 to 22 as it retained the crown as the world's bestselling premium car maker and moved swiftly to meet stricter fuel-economy standards with cars like its 1 Series." Again confirmation BMW sells more than mb. Stop dreaming buddy.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Actually, i dont think you will find bimmer fans who will say mb outsells BMW because that's simply not true, as i already demonstrated.
However, i can give examples of hardcore benz fans, frustrated because BMW's cars generally perform better. If you want, i will look some examples up for you. I remember a guy complaining that the new C350 is still slower than BMW's E46 330i (which is 8 years older!). Benz fans are scared of BMW, not the other way around and you know it.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Scared??? Scared about what? Benz owners are regular,family-oriented people who value comfort and safety more than performance. Only a small percentage of Benz owners actually race their cars on illegal midnight racing car clubs. That is why motor racing to me is a better gauge as to how a company performs with regards to speed. And between Mercedes and BMW -- MERCEDES RULES.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
As i already demonstrated BMW outsells merc. Also, BMW won the international engine of the year award 6 times out of 12 editions vs ZERO for benz. In 80% of the car reviews, when a bimmer is compared to a mb, the BMW comes on top. This is the hard truth for you, and i think you simply cannot accept that. BMW road car quality is superior to that of mb, hence the sales win for BMW. This is the real war, this is where the gloves go off and where the money is made. BMW wins.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP International Engine award organization is private. Car magazines is private. They can be bought and influenced. And carbuyers don't only look at engines when buying a car. You like to debate with me about performance yet you are scared to discuss motorsports success because you know you will lose pretty badly. BMW, not M-B are the ones claiming they are sporty yet fail to win in motor racing. Mercedes is mostly about comfort and safety but still wins racing championships.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Let's be honest: who's gonna buy a merc instead of a BMW, simply because in Sepang an F1 car with a mb badge on it would pass the finish first? Nobody. This is your only argument, which is flawed. Who would buy a BMW instead of a merc, because BMW has more engine awards, does better in shows like TG, car reviews, etc? Everybody. The fact that these are private is irrelevant. People buying cars are private too. You see my point? The war is SELLING, not racing, and you know it.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP If BMW and Mercedes were priced the same, who would buy a BMW? The fact alone that your brand is cheaper means you should sell more. Omegas outsell Rolex too. More Nokias are sold compared to iPhones. Simple logic. Yet despite E-Class and S-Class being more expensive, they are both global market leaders in sales which is impressive. The war is selling you say? Then at least at top models (E/S/SL/CL,etc.) of Mercedes beats BMW and thats a fact.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
E/S/SL/CL beating competing BMW models is another claim you make without backing it. Give me proof, I simply don't believe it. And even IF it's true, total BMW sales as a premium brand top mb sales. FACT. And I repeat: there's NOT a huge price difference between an SL and a 6 series, a 3 series and a c class, and so on. That's pure bullshit. Accept defeat, people are smart enough to buy the best car and that's BMW, hence the sales figures. BMW is the leading premium car maker.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP You can see for yourself the proof. Use google. Use MSN. Only a dumbfuck who can't accept reality would dare say the S-class or the E-class is outsold by BMW. And not a huge difference in price??? Take the SL550 priced at $102k vs 650i at 84k -- is that not a huge difference??? Fact is, the very top models Mercedes outsells BMW. All you have that makes BMW outsell Mercedes overall is the 3er and mini. But above those el cheapos, Mercedes rules.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
The fact is, for almost all BMW models, there is a competing merc model: M3 vs c63, M5 vs e63, 760i vs s600 etc. But not for all merc models there is a competing BMW model - for example, BMW doesnt compete with the SLS. So, in theory, merc appeals to a larger group of customers. One would logically assume merc outsells BMW then, since they try to have an answer to all BMW models. However, BMW sales STILL top benz sales. I hope you finally understand now that your logic is flawed.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You pathetic dreamer.The 5 Series outsold the E-Class from 2005 right to 2008 inclusive. In 2009 the E-Class outsold the 5 Series because the new generation E-Class entered the market and the contemporary 5 Series production was coming to end.This year the new generation 5 Series enters the market and we'll see the usual thing:the 5er trumps the E-Class. As for the 7er vs S-Class,in 2009 the advantage of the S-Class was miserable (700 units).This year the 7er leads the sales.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW Hahahahaha!!! S-class has been top large luxury sedan since 1965 up to now so get your facts straight. E-class is also clear market leader in mid-size luxury. I'll send you the links as proof so you'll know what an idiot you are!
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Your links once again showed how stupid you are. I've never said that the 7er dominated the S-Class. I said that TODAY they're even, hence the sales numbers. Next, my comments regarding the 5er vs the E-Class are true. And I replied to you with official sales figures as different from your false fairy tale statistics. So now we see which of us is an idiot. That's you. Moreover you're an ultimate idiot.
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@BabkenBMW wawiebeastman did not accuse you of commenting "7er dominated the S-Class", he argued that 7er is not equivalent to S-Class, can't you read the "=" sign? By the way, you have been self-contradicting because you did comment that the BMW760i beats the S600, S63 and S65 on the other video 'S600 V12 0-200km/h'.
dlin007 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW
Aren't you the proponent of "presenting facts"?
In case you are trying to deny the fact that you have been self-contradicting in arguments, look at your remarkable comments on other videos:
In "2010 BMW X6 M Triathlon - Car and Driver "
"Remove the two turbos? Then remove supercharging from the ml63, idiot."
In "Mercedes Benz C280 Sport acceleration on Autobahn"
"A complete rubbish. BMW 328i will kick this sluttish mercedes ass with one tyre. "
dlin007 1 year ago
@dlin007
At least I haven't ever seen any clever comment of yours. You're like a real parrot repeating other people's comments.
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dlin007 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW I disagree with you in that 5 series Beemers outselling E-klasse Mercs since I find that there are thousands of Merc E-klasse diesels and 2.0L petrol taxis all over europe, asia,africa and south america. In Europe alone they outnumber audi or bmw 10 to 1. That alone should boost sales and Merc diesels aren't cheap too. Taxi operators prefer Mercedes because they are more reliable and are easy to maintain.
striker90041 1 year ago
@striker9004
Maybe that explains why BMW outsells Merc in US, England and Asia lol.
I have big respect for Mercedes don't get me wrong. BMW is my priority due to good price combined with high performance, nimble handling and awesome engine with unmistakable engine noise starting from BMW's 4 cylinder engines all the way to the outstanding V10. I mean 47 engine awards what can i say?. My secondary car would always be a Merc, with V8 screamer, because its fast and comfortable, and its a Merc :)
justincrap 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP
My friend. Benz fans are typically silly. So don't waste your time trying to convince wawiebeastman, as he's a mere dreamer constrained to F1. Let him drown in his dreams. The reality is rather different from his dreams.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Motor racing in this day of economic crisis, is excessive. Heck, Porsche for example never won an F1 title, but we all know Porsche is a brilliant car maker. A 911 turbo kicks the crap out of an slr, mb's "supercar". Renault won more F1 titles as constructor and engine maker than benz. If we apply your flawed logic Renault is a better car maker than mercedes. You see my point? Road car engineering is more important than racing engineering: this is where the money and prestige is.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Renault participated in F1 longer than Mercedes hence more wins. Mercedes joined F1 in 1954 (won Championship) and 1955 (again won championship) then pulled out of F1. Returned with Sauber in 1994 then joined McLaren in 1995 to this day. So relatively speaking, despite racing less years than Renault and Ferrari and winning straight out, you have to be impressed. As for Porsche, we raced against them in the FIA-GT in the late 90's and soundly kicked their ass along with BMW.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@beastman
Be honest: results from the 1950s are irrelevant today. The last 15 years are relevant. In these years Ferrari is THE dominant force in F1 (and a fortiori in racing), heck even Renault have 2 titles. My point is: if you want to buy a supercar by a company with racing success, you get a Ferrari, not a mb. If you want to buy a sporty, well engineered premium car, you get a BMW (hence the sales). You see my point? mb is never the best, not in racing, not in supercars, not in premium cars.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The past will always be relevant be it the 50's or earlier. The fact is Mercedes have won racing titles whenever they participated be it in 1935 or 1955 or 1998 or 2009. Mercedes may have less titles tan Ferrari having raced in only 18 seasons out of 61 F1 years!!! Ferrari have raced in all 61 years. BMW even raced longer (1982-1989 with Brabham/Benetton and Arrows teams) then came back in 1999 with Williams then joined Sauber in 2006 then pulled out in 2009 = 19 seasons.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You tell me, what's today's relevance of F1 results of several decades ago, in deciding which brand is the best today? That's all you care about when buying a road car today??? Come on buddy, listen to yourself. Besides, TODAY, Ferrari is more successful in racing than mb. Surely you cant deny that, given the F1 results of last 10,20 years? Man, i never met a more biased benz fanboy than you. Why the fuck am i even wasting my time with this? You argue without logic.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well it shows consistency. Mercedes was the best in 1950 and earlier, the best in the 80's,the best in the 90's and the best until today. And to compare Ferrari and M-B in F1 is flawed.Ferrari have raced in F1 for 60 years while Mercedes raced in under 20 years. Besides, its not like Mercedes only started winning recently. We've been winning before you were born and will continue to win even after you die. Too bad BMW cannot say the same because they pulled out after failures!
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@beastman
It's not flawed to compare Ferrari and mb in F1 in the last 15 years when they raced together. These results are relevant for today's discussion which one is best in racing. And what do we see? Ferrari: 6 titles, Renault: 5 titles, benz: 4 titles. In today's world, Ferrari is better than mb in racing. FACT. Heck, even Renault is better. Stop going back to results of more than 50 years ago to claim mb is better than Ferrari. You're dreaming of the 1950s, but please, we live in 2010 now.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well in that case, at least we have 4 titles. And in the last 15 years, how many titles does BMW have? I also take comfort in knowing that since 2005 up to today, we have won more races than Ferrari and Renault making Mercedes the winningest F1 engine for the last 6 years!!! Bravo!! Bravissimo!! Hooray!! It should be sweeter had BMW been around longer but hey a loser is a loser so they left F1 without a constructors title. Plus, you can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC. Shame shame
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
benz teamed up with a highly successful F1 team, McLaren. McLaren wins titles because it is a good team; the engine supplier is virtually unimportant. The comparison of BMW vs benz in the past years in F1 is unfair, because BMW had to run its entire team while benz only supplied engines when they won. In other words, the car had a mb badge and that's it. It remains to be seen if the mercedes team will score a title. The first results surely weren't really impressive to me...
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The recent times McLaren won, Mercedes was already part owner of mcLaren in fact majority owner of McLaren. So we have ownership in McLaren even up to today. but when Mercedes decided to buy Brawn GP after winning 2009 titles, as per F1 rules, you can only own 1 team so Mercedes will be slowly selling back shares to mcLaren by 2012 but continue to supply engines until 2015. Get your facts straight before you post. And the 1 drivers title BMW won they were just engine supplier.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Besides, even in racing you get you ass handed to you by brands like Ferrari and Renault. In your flawed logic, Renault is superior to benz. You contradict yourself. You think people care about F1 results when buying a car? Please, you're so naive.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Oh really? Mercedes are the current world champions the past couple of years so how can my ass be handed to me when in fact I have bragging rights being the CURRENT CHAMPION. Just as S-Class or E-class or SL-class are the current champions in their segment in sales. I've sent you proof so I expect you to read 'em so you won't accuse me of making up stuff.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Once again the current sales comparison for you:
3 Series > C-Class;
E-Class > 5 Series (temporarily);
X5 > ML;
7 Series = S-Class;
Z4 > SLK;
M > AMG
These are clear facts.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW check your facts again. You are the one looking like an idiot claiming the 7er = S-Class or the 5er beats the E-class. In your dreams boy!
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
The only thing that matters when comparing BMW and benz is the quality of their road cars. And we all know BMW's models always outperform merc's competing models. The mighty M3 outperforms the uncontrollable c63 on every track, the multiple award-winning E60 M5 outperformed the uncharismatic w211 e63, and i can keep going on. Hence BMW's fantastic global sales record. BMW is the clear winner over benz, and will be for many years to come.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
I'm ending this discussion right here and believe me, i'm not reading your replies. The only thing you keep bringing up is racing results (which is irrelevant in this discussion and today's world - some racing results of the 1950s even) while you get your ass handed to you by Ferrari and Renault. Besides, you're making a fool of yourself because of the 2007 spy scandal and the whopping $ 100 000 000 fine. World wide disgust. Please, learn to argue with logic.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
What about the fact that BMW M5 engine alone won more awards in the International Engine of the Year Award competition than your Mercedes-Benz in total?Shame, shame.What about the fact that BMW trumps Mercedes-Benz in vast majority of reliability reports?Shame, shame.What about the fact that BMW owns Mercedes-Benz in technology, performance and fuel consumption? Shame, shame.These are the facts that put BMW higher than Mercedes-Benz in the market.And that's why people choose BMW.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW So then why can't BMW beat a small company like SEAT??? M Division is supposed to dominate WTCC but shamefully, BMW are lapped bigtime. Thousands of people read auto magazines talking about engine awards you say but millions or even billions (in the case of F1) , watch motor races around the world. Even if M5 engine wins a award written in a magazine, few thousand know about it. But if BMW loses to SEAT in WTCC by big gap, many many more know about it and will reflect on your image.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
In real world the M-POWER owns any Seat and comparable Mercedes-Benz. As I've already said your problem is that you judge a brand by its results in races cars of which has nothing in common with real world automobiles. Want it or not here's the bitter truth for you:
BMW reigns supreme over Mercedes-Benz.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@MrKILLERSHRIMP Well in that case, at least we have 4 titles. And in the last 15 years, how many titles does BMW have? I also take comfort in knowing that since 2005 up to today, we have won more races than Ferrari and Renault making Mercedes the winningest F1 engine for the last 6 years!!! Bravo!! Bravissimo!! Hooray!! It should be sweeter had BMW been around longer but hey a loser is a loser so they left F1 without a constructors title. Plus, you can't even beat SEAT in the WTCC. Shame shame
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
The ONLY judge to who is right in this discussion are the annual sales figures of BMW vs benz. I am very confident i will come out the winner in this war for many years to come, while the pitful merc sales will keep dropping. Sure, you can have your 3, maybe 4 GP wins this year. McLaren will ditch benz anyway after the contract is over, and get other engines, so the merc team is left alone. Not a great prospection, judging from their bad economic results...
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
However, this racing element is irrelevant in this discussion. That's the only argument you can make up, to disguise the fact benz sales keep dropping in favor of BMW. This is the hard truth that you apparently can't accept. THIS is the real war, where the gloves go off and where money is made. BMW is the leading premium car maker, and mb is falling even behind audi lately. The reason? BMW's superior performance and charisma make it the most award winning cars in the world.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
To conclude, i would like to make the analogy with a democracy. In a democracy, the voter is always right. In a world of free market economy, the buyer is always right. When comparing two premium car makers, the one who sells the most units, is the winner. And that's BMW. It is well known BMW and audi sales have risen the past decades and benz sales have dropped because of this. BMW total (without mini) global sales TOP benz global sales. FACT, as i demonstrated many times.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP So the buyers of S-class,E-class,etc. , Mercedes' more upper range and prestigious models are always right in choosing such over the pitiful 7er or 5er. Keep your 3er or Mini to pad your worldwide sales but when it comes to the top range models, BMW loses out big time. Imagine the S-class being more than 10k more expensive than comparable 7er yet still outsells it. Poor poor 7 series. At least the smarter richer people of the world know what is best and that is the S-class.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
My final words to you are symbolic for BMW's dominance over benz. ///M POWER !!! The mighty ///M symbol is on the steering wheel of my own car, and reminds me i'm driving the Ultimate Driving Machine, a work of engineering brilliance. A car made by the world's leading Premium car manufacturer today, tomorrow, and for several decades to come as well, most likely for eternity.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP M division my ass you can't even beat SEAT or Chevy in WTCC. M division cannot even Mercedes when they were racing in the DTM or the FIA-GT Championship. Second rate sporty division if you cannot win titles. Engineering brilliance is what wins races and that something BMW has struggled to do. I fear Audi even more than BMW in racing. Audi has better racing pedigree. BMW is shit compared to Audi especially in touring cars and rally cars.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
I bet 8 out of 10 auto enthusiasts choose M-POWER over comparable AMG and you are still talking bullshit.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@BabkenBMW
I have comments for you (not clever, but logical):
1. You are self-contradicting
2. I take my hat off to you for keeping the youtube community entertained
3. I hope that you can waste another 8 hours per day bad mouthing other car manufacturers and people from the youtube community
4. You still haven't prove that "ML63 is supercharged"
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wawiebeastman 1 year ago
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@MrKILLERSHRIMP M division my ass you can't even beat SEAT or Chevy in WTCC. M division cannot even Mercedes when they were racing in the DTM or the FIA-GT Championship. Second rate sporty division if you cannot win titles. Engineering brilliance is what wins races and that something BMW has struggled to do. I fear Audi even more than BMW in racing. Audi has better racing pedigree. BMW is shit compared to Audi especially in touring cars and rally cars.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Your logic that BMW is cheaper so they sell more, is flawed again. If merc is better than BMW, they should be able to make for every BMW that costs x dollars, a merc that performs better and costs less than x dollars. Hence people will buy the merc and not the BMW. This is the principle of a free market. Nothing is preventing merc to do that, so they would sell more than BMW. The reason people buy BMW is their performance is better (335i vs c350) for about the same price. FACT.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Again your comparison is flawed. Why do you insist that performance is the main reason people buy cars? People don't buy cars based on horsepower or 0-60 times. Wake up. More people buy cars because of price and value or styling and amenities. Some also buy because of safety and comfort. In fact, Benz buyers are not even performance-seekers. They just want a classy comfortable ride with high prestige and value. And yes the cheaper one should sell more. Basic principle economics
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Go and buy an F1 car, idiot. And we'll see how you can drive them on public roads. As I said several times you're stupid. And the best testimony to my words is the fact you judge the brands by their wins in the F1.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW You failed to get my point. I was stating that if a company wants to sell sporty cars, they have to be sucessful in motor racing. That is Ferrari has the edge over Lambo or that Subaru has the edge over Hyundai. BMW, known to picture itself as sporty, is in fact the least successful German brand among the big three. Mercedes and Audi have a much better racing history. And again, I follow all motorsports not just F1 that is why I know BMW are also losers in the WTCC.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Prior to buying an automobile customers go and test drive the competing models. And you'll be disappointed to find out that majority of them chooses BMW over Mercedes-Benz and Audi. So this fact alone shows how false is your judgment of evaluating brands based on their race success. And my point is sound: the racing world has nothing in common with the real world.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Look at the sales figures, pussy cat.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
So, given my point, I also like to reiterate that it is more likely for people to buy a car based on the company's racing success (F1,WRC,etc.) than a company's rank on a magazine. Like they say -- WIN ON SUNDAY , SELL ON MONDAY. And when it comes to racing victories, Mercedes at the moment, is King.
wawiebeastman 2 years ago
@wawiebeastman my dad is got the car you have for a profile picture 1969 Mercedes Benz 280 SEL car looks like it came out of the dealership yesterday.
BMWE60M5 1 year ago
@BMWE60M5 Well same here. BMW is by majority, the lesser brand. There are few in this world who think otherwise like yourself. As for sales, the onl thing going for BMW is the 3er vs. C-class. The cheaper models BMW stands a chance vs. Mercedes. But if we go E-class upwards (S-class/CL-class/SL-class,etc.), BMW are sorry losers. Check the numbers. Facts are facts. Mercedes E-class is the top-selling mid-size premium car and the S-class is the top-selling large luxury sedan. Facts are facts.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
I hope you realize BMW sells more cars than benz?
Besides, your point is stupid. You think people buy a car based on a company's racing success and NOT based on how the car itself is reviewed? That's the most retarded thing i ever read.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Facts are facts. More people actually buy cars by what they see on TV like motor racing success or that it is driven by famous (or infamous) people more than Car & Driver or Motor Trend reviews. Heck! Even Top Gear has more influence on car buyers than "paid for" magazine columnists.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
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@wawiebeastman
You pussy cat. Prior to making a decision people test drive automobiles. And driving BMW nobody will want to buy inferior Mercedes-Benz. Don't get me wrong. I respect Mercedes-Benz and consider it an inferior alternative to BMW. But as long as there's BMW I'll never even consider a benz. And that's because BMW makes more advanced automobiles than Mercedes-Benz. Hence the sales numbers.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
If Mercedes-Benz was the king in racing, nobody would buy BMW, pussy cat.
So here is the bitter truth for you:
BMW=WINNER
Mercedes-Benz=LOSER.
If you wish we can compare model by model.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW What an idiotic point. Yes Mercedes is the King of Racing at the moment but that does not mean 100% of the car buying public will buy Mercedes. Winning Championships and races does reinforce a company's image as well as sales. And speaking of winning races, Mercedes just won the Aussie Grand Prix. BMW? Somewhere in the back. You might think BMW are out of F1 but the Sauber chassis is still BMW slapped with a Ferrari engine. How convenient. But still a loser.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
The word "idiotic" is what describes a typical benz fan boy like you. The race cars have nothing in common with real world automobiles. We're talking about the real world automobiles. So compare BMW and Mercedes-Benz competing models and you'll see that Mercedes-Benz always falls behind. I can give you just one website: fastestlaps com. And I repeat once again: the sales numbers are the most precise indicator to judge which company is better. And it is BMW.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW Idiotic? Why do car companies race in the first place? Isn't it like an extension of their research and development department? What Mercedes-Benz learns in racing they put to use on their road cars didn't you know that? Besides, didn't your beloved BMW participate in F1,Le Mans,etc.? My golly you have a lot to learn about cars. As for competing models, what category are you talking about? Most of the things people use are subjective like exterior looks and
comfort and prestige.
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wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW If sales figures are to go by then you lose -- S-Class outsells the 7er. E-class outsells the 5er. CLK outsells the 6er,M-class outsells the X5. Perhaps the only thing you got going is the 3er and X3. The 3er is BMW's bread and butter. From E-class upwards its all Mercedes. Look at the sales figures and learn the bitter truth.
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wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW The ultimate indicator about a company's engineering prowess is motor racing. People don't buy cars based porimarily on 0-60 times. They buy cars based on styling,amenities and features,safety and comfort,etc. You discount racing success when the website you are suggesting compares speeds of stock cars. So you are eating your own words!!! And even using sales numbers as an indicator to know the best company is flawed. McDonalds sells more burgers than In & Out. Is it better?
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
I agree with the points BabkenBMW makes. The real fight is not in F1, racing success is virtually irrelevant in today's world of economic crisis. The real fight is the sales war of BMW vs mb vs audi. This is where the gloves go off,and where money is made. And we all know BMW today is winning that war, audi is rising and mb is falling. The ultimate indicator about a company's engineering prowess is how well they build their production cars, hence BMW's formidable sales numbers.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Yes that is true. In case you are not aware, the S-class outsells the 7-series, the E-class outsells the 5er when you had the Z8, the SL kicked its butt. The SLK outsells the Z4, the M-class beats the X5. BMW sales are only padded by 3er and Mini sales which are cheap compared to the E-class upwards. BMW is and will always be below Mercedes in prestige and racing pedigree.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
In case you're not aware, pussy cat, today:
The 7 Series is even with the s-class in terms of sales;
Yes, the e-class outsells the 5 series, but it's because the e is newer while the new generation 5 series just starts to hit dealerships. So in several months the 5er will beat the e-class as always;
The X5 beats the ml;
The 3 Series beats the c-class,
The M beats the amg despite the fact amg has a much more wider range.
So stop talking rubbish without knowing the facts.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW Please stick to facts. The 7er was never a challenge to the S-class. The E-class was always over and above the 5er in sales so where the hell are you getting your facts from??? Even if your new 5er comes out, no one cares -- its still a BMW which is lower than Mercedes. Accept the harsh truth. And stick to real world facts and not made up stuff ok. I'm an honest person. I never post lies like you. Never ever say the 7er is equal with the S-class especially on sales dumbass.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You're too ridiculous. The e-class was, is and will always be behind the 5 Series, you idiot. The only model of Mercedes-Benz I accept is the S-Class which comes close to the 7 Series.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW Bullshit. Google E-class vs 5 series worldwide car sales and see for yourself who is the world leader in sales idiot. Your 7er and 5er and second rate compared to the S-Class and E-class. And stop dreaming that your 7er is close to the S-class -- its too far behind. Research first before you post.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
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@BabkenBMW
Sir, I have another comment for you (again, not clever but logical):
Your comment: "A complete rubbish. BMW 328i will kick this sluttish mercedes ass with one tyre." truly exhibits your cleverness or superior intelligence.
I presume you have some empirical proofs to support the "fact" you have presented. Right?
dlin007 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Furthermore, you shouldnt brag too much about mb in racing. In the 2 years when hakkinen won the F1 title, the engines weren't even really built by mb - they were built by a company called Ilmor Engineering. The engine actually never saw benz people before it was fitted into the mclaren. Plus, in 2007, the team got fined a whopping 100 million USD for stealing highly advanced technology from Ferrari. Not something to be proud of, in my opinion. Ferrari is superior in F1, not mb.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP Oh my. Mercedes already had a stake in Ilmor that time. In fact, they already had equity in Ilmor since 1994 when the Penske-Mercedes were racing in CART Indy in the USA winning the 1994 Indy 500. As for the spy case, yes Alonso sold McLaren out. But McLaren isn't the only Mercedes team I am rooting for. The Brawn-Mercedes now Mercedes GP are the reigning F1 champions so bash McLaren all you want for all I care. At least we have titles to brag about. You? Zip. Nada. Loser.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
You're a typical silly benz lover who is constrained to just the F1. I repeat: the F1 racing has nothing in common with real world automobiles. Can you see F1 cars on the streets today? Well, maybe in your foolish dreams?
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW F1 cars have alot in common with regular cars -- both run on petrol, =both have 4 tires, a steering wheel, etc., etc., etc. Like I said, its research. Racing is a way of improving road cars. And yes, F1 cars can be seen on streets too when they race on street courses. No need to dream there buddy. Btw, I follow most motorsports not just F1 that is why I know that BMW has been losing in whatever series they are into -- F1,WTCC,etc. What a shame.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Actually, there are 2 reasons why i dont like benz.
1. I've driven both BMWs and mercs (i'm not making this up) and the feeling you get in a BMW is totally different from that in a benz. Everything in the bimmer is made for an ultimate driving experience, it's just a unique feeling driving a BMW.
2. Everywhere i come, benz fans start insulting BMW fans (like you do) and keep saying BMW is "below" merc. Well, BMW outsells benz and wins more awards, so it's "above" benz = FACTS.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
If you think that the F1 cars have a lot with the real world cars then I feel mere pity for you. Your comments have just one argument which is absolutely poor. BMW tops Mercedes-Benz in nearly all rankings starting from engines and ending with reliability. This fact itself rejects your poor way of thinking. As I've already said you're a typical silly benz fan boy, so it's very amusing to read your childish comments that make the automotive world laugh at your stupidity.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW How many times do I have to repeat to you that racing in general (including F1), is way of developing the road car. ABS,disc brakes,power steering were all introduced in race cars which were later put into road cars so I don't understand why this fact confuses you. And childish? Stupid? What is wrong with what I said? Unless offcourse your english comprehension is limited.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@BabkenBMW
Sir, I have one final comment:
The ML63 is not supercharged as you have claimed, I have already proven you wrong. Thank you for your attention and goodbye.
dlin007 1 year ago
@dlin007
I know that, idiot.
BabkenBMW 1 year ago
@dlin007
You tried to reason with that BabkenBMW stinking poo?
That's nonsense!
BabkenBMWstinks 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
No need to call me a loser buddy. Stay polite please. Anyway, you claim mb outsells BMW. You need to back that statement with facts, because i think you are wrong. BMW outsells both mb and audi: google "4 wheelsnews bmw mercedes global sales". Global sales is where the gloves go off and money is made. This shows that F1 is irrelevant. Nobody cares about F1 in this day of economic crisis, everybody cares about driving the best engineered road car, hence BMWs massive global sales.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP The reason why BMW is the top selling premium brand is because of the 3 series and mini coopers. Offcourse those are like the dinner rolls of your company -- cheap and easy to sell. But when it comes to sales of E-class,S-class,SL or CL class -- all market leaders in their segment, BMW loses big time. And the amazing thing is, the E-class and S-class are even more expensive than their BMW rivals yet still outsells 'em.
wawiebeastman 1 year ago
@wawiebeastman
Sorry i have to disagree with you. When you google "BMW vs mercedes global sales" you will see that the numbers for mini are NOT included. Google "worldwide sales falls autospies" and you will see the same. BMW cars are sold more than mb cars. Period. BMW Group as a whole also does better than daimler. Period. Show me some exact proof of your claims buddy, like i do here. However, i don't think you will be able to find proof because your claims are simply false. BMW is the winner.
MrKILLERSHRIMP 1 year ago
@MrKILLERSHRIMP BMWs are cheaper to begin with. So its like Omega outselling Rolex. So even if you outsell the more expensive Mercedes, the fact that we are not that far behind despite the price difference is already amazing. Mercedes still makes money and we are still winning races and championships. I don't watch sales figures on TV. Who pays too much attention to numbers anyway? But I enjoy watching Mercedes win races especially when competing against BMW who we beat quite easily.
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