The studyMetaphsyics, beyond the natural one...Then its supernatural.....Even though nothing in our entirety of human experience points us in the direction of supernatural just the natural....why bother with the supernatural then?
Hmmmm, not the correct usage of the logical phalacy. He didn't prove one over the other. He showed one is more useful then the other. One method has value, the other has much less value.
@VenomfangX So you're saying that the Bible does not provide any predictive capability, instead it has the ability to confirm observations which through science can be described, predicted and eventually confirmed through models.
Where exactly is the Bible of any use in predicting scientific observations in any way, shape or form?
Colossians 3:23-24- " Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving."
@VenomFangX the fact that you have never talked to any atheists about the emotional freedom they feel once they have eliminated god from their lives is clearly apparent. as an atheist, i don't believe in heaven, nor in hell, and i think that this is the one and only life i will ever have, so I appreciate every moment that I am alive much more than you ever could because your sense of humanity has been spoiled by your belief in an eternal afterlife
There are a number of ridiculous practices in the bible which no one christian does today.... The bible doesn't tell us "it's fine not to do these things in the future because things will be different" So we have all sinned and supposedly we're supposed to cut off the parts of our flesh we have sinned with... Well I'm not up for pulling a Helen Keller anytime soon. Also this: Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Leviticus 20:9 Yeah there's more but can you explain this VFX
I know you're mad at thunderf00t and you have every right to want to defend yourself but even though you made good points you also show through some of your words that you take this very personally. I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel that way but it makes you look bad when you show it like that. I think thunderf00t will eventually look back and feel bad about being so insulting to you.
So if you don't believe in someones religion you are a depressed person and can experience no happiness !?!? Move over psychology... I think we have a new & revolutionary new theory...
@orangemod Naw, I don't think you understand the argument. Being an atheist, by its very definition, leaves one with a hopeless life.
Compare it to the parable of Sisyphus, who was cursed to push a boulder up a mountain forever. If he got the boulder up the mountain, it would only fall back down. So an atheist can lead a "successful" life. If one asked "what's the point?" The correct answer would be that there is no point.
@tipsdaturtle TD, Maybe I am missing something here ??? I just don't see how not having a religious belief system makes ones life depressing or pointless. I mean, I have purpose in my life and feel that I get out what I put in. Everything about life is attitude. Having good attitudes and leading a purposeful life is something we all strive for. I feel just as successful in my attitudes as I did when I had religious beliefs. As I get older, I feel like I am getting even better at having purpose.
@tipsdaturtle Also, it is quite possible that Atheism is an attitude that would never work for you personally. That doesn't mean that it wont work for me. I just don't find religious convictions something that works for me....however I can understand that it may work perfectly for you. If I felt that being without religion was a negative thing for me, I would make a change. I don't hold any attitudes that would not let me make any change I deemed useful. Hope that gives you my ideas. Cheers
@orangemod I seesies. But you keep talking about purpose when, as would come with any naturalistic viewpoint, there is no purpose. It's fine if you're okay with it, but to those who have a hope for the future after living purposeful lives see having no purpose or hope as depressive.
Truly it's better not to be depressed than to be depressed, and I'm actually glad you aren't. It's just that life becomes a Sisyphaean task without purpose or hope for the future.
@tipsdaturtle TD, I get what you are saying and it is valid as an opinion or theory or whatever. I guess I try to get all I can outta life. I've always been the type who needs a purpose. It has always made me feel useful and a contributor to the betterment of all that around me. I do, believe it or not, leave the door open to the possibility of something I just don't understand or can conceive of...who knows..right? I think that my way wouldn't be satisfactory for you. Yours?.. cont-->>>
I dunno ??? I came to my conclusions after much thought and it makes sense to me. Before, I had a vague concept of a creator. No specifics too much at all. If I am wrong, my past beliefs have me being judged favorably because of the decent life I have led. Anyways, thanks for sharing. Cheers, Dave
Hey venom. How's that Charity Scam working? Or those false DMCA claims? Or calling dprjones a pedophile? or the murder from Tony48219 (your fan)? Didn't your mommy and daddy tell you to get your ass off youtube? We know your address and home number. Shall I give them a call? Seriously venom. After Thunderf00t, dprjones, even joneowens, etc. Helped you out, you still treat them like trash. How many of your christian friends helped you out? you even talked shit against togetherforpeace. copypaste
What are you talking about, he opened his video up for comments. Please use your brain before you post and use the mantra of "Free speech" before understanding what it is.
@icecreamftw Not the same thing. Comments can be flagged, deleted or marked as spam. You only have to make 10-15 subsequent comments to push the first comment out of your main view (unless you scroll through comments). Ratings (though not perfect) are more informative as they allow for a consensus to be made - its a far better tool for determining the gravitas of a video. Disabling ratings but allowing comments is a clever way of giving the illusion of free speech.
@PirateZnBrigandZ Lol, you don't think a bunch of people don't like Justin Beiber? I know I hate him. Also, have you not noticed that atheistic or pro evolutionary videos tend to get pretty high like/dislike ratios? I feel there's a reason to that. The majority of people...like the videos.
@PirateZnBrigandZ In yet even though this has been done, Thunderf00t still always allows people to rate his videos. He is a staunch advocate of free speech, and I'm no different. If there is a system in place that allows people to vote on whether or not you seem to be full of shit, then let it be. If it's abused, so be it, but let it be.
@PirateZnBrigandZ Perhaps. I just think it's a little immature to take people's right to mark your video as shit. Video rating is one of the foundations of Youtube dernit >.<
Impressive. I don't recall there being any other method of trying to understand the natural world aside from philosophy. Science was developed as a product of philosophy, but became much better at explaining the world around us. Considering religion is mainly philosophy (or metaphysics as you put it), Thunderf00t can discuss them as the only two alternatives. No false dichotomy there...
And even if there were, it would still not make your religion any more useful a tool for studying reality.
@DieFatorLiveThin: What matters is getting the correct meaning the author desired to convey to the reader. Your interpretation or someone elses interpretation doesn't matter if they don't get that meaning the author intended to transmit through his words. Sometimes that involves reasoning things through, sometimes it involves accepting the plain sense of the text (in context), sometimes it involves a little research and investigation, and lot of common sense(which ain't too common).
@johnspartan98 granted, but I would submit that the Bible isn't a source that promotes a mutually acceptable interpretation given those means of discernment. I think that bears out in the various version/revisions and doctrinal differences amongst those who study it.
@DieFatorLiveThin: Sure, there are difficult parts for the lay believer to interpret correctly that scholars struggle with to find answers for. But most of it is just common sense. For example: Don't commit murder, don't lie, don't desire to take another man's wife for yourself, don't steal, don't bear false witness, and Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) NIV
Creationism ignores the ability of science to identify an amazing number of "missing links" which illustrate the evolution of species, Evolutionary theory led to the science of genetics in which predictable and repeatable experiments have led to advances in cancer cures and stem cell research. To believe in a 6000 year old earth you have to deny carbon dating. If you think this is the Devil's work, that is something that cannot be repeated so falls into the realm of religion not science.
@1293drive: Believe in carbon dating and see if that gets you the gift of eternal life then. BTW: the latest geneology studies from the pages of the bible puts the creation of Adam at aproximately 13,000 years ago and the flood at 4990 BC. It's interesting that the oldest coral reef on the planet is aproximately 4,000 years old and the oldest tree with life still left in it is 4,000 years old, and the tops of every mountain range have fossilized remains of sea and animal life.
@johnspartan98 If the Bible were clear and unambiguous, it would deserve more credibility. As it happens, Christians ceaselessly argue amongst themselves about which bits to take literally and which bits are metaphorical. What makes YOUR interpretation the right one?
@1293drive: YOU said, "Creationism ignores the ability of science to identify an amazing number of "missing links." Ha...ha...ha...ha. You mean missing links like all the ones found to be frauds that remained in text books in some cases for over a hundred years after being exposed as frauds? WHO are YOU to comment on what Creationism does anyway? You are no expert on Creationism. On the other hand, I've been pumped so full of TOE dogma that I qualify as an expert in it, and I know it is BS.
The border between science and religion is the ability to predict results and then replicate them. Throughout history science has explained an increasing proportion of human experience - Church's explanation of the earth being at the center of the universe replaced by our understanding of the solar system stated in repeatable mathematics that allowed a landing on the moon. No one can yet replicate the creation of the universe. That will fall into the realm of religeon for a long time to come.
@1293drive: Who gave you that BS? In the last century, alone, the number of scientific discoveries attributed to Jews and Christians are so numerous I can't fit them in the vast empty space between an atheists ears. The Bible is not a science book. It's a book containing the best philosophy, psychology, sociology, poetry, psalms, proverbs, "plan of redemption", "promise of eternal life", etc. that man has ever known. It has inspired the best art, songs, music, architecture, etc. known to man.
Thunderf00t and all the other atheists can worship science over religion all they want but science is never going to make them an offer to change their nature from a physical carnal mortal human being (subject to disease, pain, suffering, and death) to that of a spirit being that never gets sick and has eternal life. When a book written by people claiming to be followers of a God contains instructions for receiving eternal life....I say that book merits unbigoted and unbiased investigation.
@johnspartan98 As a non-believer I don't 'worship' science! Science is a methodical way of figuring out what's going on in this world. The same analytical method can/ should be/ is applied to the Bible. The trouble is, we humans are primates who look for and find patterns. Sometimes those patterns are illusion.
@finlarg: Primates don't build engines, cars, trucks, trains, buildings, conduct science experiments, solve complex problems using mathematics, build rockets, space shuttles, explore the moon, make hydro electric dams, wind generators, solar panels, batteries, radios. televisions, computers,etc. Humans are as distinct from primates as darkness is from light. YOU might be a primate, but don't label the rest of us as one. My anscestors did not swing by their tails or crawl out from a slime pit.
@johnspartan98 Charles Darwin came up with the idea of evolution, through natural selection, and described how species adapt over long periods of time, to their surroundings, and separate populations eventually become separate species. Then in the 20th century, the discovery of DNA and genetics backed up what Mr Darwin postulated. We share a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, 6 million years ago. Look up the 'tree of life', we share common ancestors with ALL other life forms on this planet!
@the0real0realitykid Maybe, but that seems to me like a cop-out. Evolutionary theory explains what we actually find, in far more detail. It may also be that the first life was 'designed' and evolution took over from then on... but I doubt it.
@finlarg: You can't apply the scientific analytical method to the Bible until your spirit is regenerated. The Gospel message of salvation by God's grace through faith cannot be understood by man in his natural unregenerated state. God has to regenerate the dead spirit in you first...then your eyes will be open. In your natural state you are cut off from God and your existence is a feedback loop of want continually desiring and desire continually wanting.. from which you can't escape on your own
@johnspartan98 I'm sorry but I don't understand what 'spiritual regenaration' is. I spent many years trying to make a connection with and understand what you'd probably call God, but got absolutely nowhere. If anything, my enquiries made it seem more likely that there IS no God or creator or spiritual dimention. I could be wrong... and I'm still looking, so you won't find me declaring that all religion is BS, unlike some of my fellow non-believers!
@finlarg: The wind to power your ship, and the rudder to keep it's course straight, is in the Gospel message. Eyewitnesses and friends of Jesus have written great things about Him while being guided along by the Holy Spirit. Words on paper convey/transmit thoughts, messages, ideas, meaning, plans, and all sorts of things. In the Bible, Jesus said His words are Spirit and Truth. Beware of the many hucksters and charlatans preaching a false prosperity and hyper faith gospel.
@johnspartan98 So, do you think VFX is one of the 'hucksters'?
I'm sorry Mr Spartan but your position does not seem at all clear to me. You seem to be claiming that the Bible is the best book ever written (my deduction based upon your comments). And you say:
"In the Bible, Jesus said His words are Spirit and Truth."
Does this boil down to, you believe the book is telling the truth, because it says so in the book?
Have you considered that it might have been created by humans?
@finlarg: I believe the Bible is God's Word and I believe His Word is Truth because I tested it, and it tested me, and it prooves itself. The Bible states that all scripture comes from God. Men were moved by the Holy Spirit of God to write what was revealed to them. It's not merely a Book. It's a collection of Books that convey the knowledge and wisdom of God which has the power to regenerate man's fallen spirit and prepare him for the gift of Faith that leads to Repentance and Eternal life.
@johnspartan98 Fine. Those are your beliefs. It will take a little more than a collection of books (which appear to have been written by humans) to convince me.
I cannot see how faith is a gift, it seems more like a controlling mechanism to me. And Eternal life... have you thought through what that would actually be like?
A million years of praising the Lord and being thankful, then another million, then endless billions after that?
@finlarg: I recommend John F. MacArthur Jr. as one entrusted with spreading the True Gospel of the Kingdom (without the circus side show typical of the charismatics and the hyper faith preachers of the "prosperity gospel"). God uses His Gospel message to "regenerate" the Spirit and prepare the heart and mind of man to receive His gift of Faith which leads to Repentance. If you Truly seek God and desire to know Him, you will find Him through His Gospel.
@johnspartan98 I will look up the work of Mr MacArthur just as soon as you answer questions posed to you, otherwise it would seem that you are pushing an agenda, which makes me suspicious of your motives.
I am here to learn about Christianity and how the world works. It would appear that , like VFX, you are not remotely interested in understanding WHY other people don't believe everything you do. PLEASE prove me wrong!
@finlarg: I know why other people do not believe as I do because my spirit was once lifelss. They don't believe because they can't believe unless God regenerates their spirit, grants them the gift of Faith, and calls them to repentence. God uses the Gospel message to make it all happen. God finds us. We don't find God. There is nothing man can do on his own to cause his own salvation. Any desire to know God is the result of God working in man to lead him to repentence and salvation.
@johnspartan98 That does not compute with Calvinism. "If you truly seek God and DESIRE..." According to Calvinism, man has no desire to know Him, and therefore he cannot know Him. This is precisely why Calvinism, to me, is the most nonsensical of all theologies. That, and John Calvin's ultimate cop-out in his interpretation of verses that don't match his gruesome dogma of predestination.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones; If you can understand there are two perspectives I think this becomes simple. One perspective is the pre salvation (natural state) of man(with a dead spirit). The other is post salvation state with the living Christ abiding in us and one with our spirit. Beleivers CAN please God by living according to the SPIRIT or displease Him by living for the Spirit of this world. The believer lives under Grace. The unbeliever is a child of wrath and cannot please God, nor seek him.
@johnspartan98 Furthermore, a child born from Hindu parents, and dying right after birth, I reckon this pup is a 'child of wrath' as well? Seriously... calvinism pretty much transforms the being of God into a gigantic, cosmic Caligula who knows no compassion or justice.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: LOL. Now you are really second guessing God. The message Jesus sends in Scripture is that children are very special in God's eyes and there are warnings from Jesus not to harm children.
Teaching children atheist type foolish unbelief and denial of God gets the perpetrator an especially harsh punishment....Jesus said it would be better to have a mill stone tied around one's neck and be tossed into the sea. So stop your what if crap and use common sense...OK?
@johnspartan98 First of all, if someone would teach a child that, God had predestined him to do so. Secondly, I'm not an atheist. Thirdly, what about the children killed by Joshua's men in Jericho? As we're dealing with a never changing godhead here, whose moral law is absolute, please enlighten me. Using the scare tactic doesn't work on me anymore. Just answer the questions.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones One cannot use the excuse that God predestined them to teach a child atheism. Knowledge of God, Good, and evil is in every man's heart with the exception of a number of sons of perdition amoung us. Copy and paste your question(what about the children killed by Joshua's men in Jericho?) into Google. Do your own research.
@johnspartan98 That is it? Brother, I have done my research... for years. Now I'd like to know how a calvinist is going to put all these discrepancies together without resorting to tried & true cop-outs as 1. 'It's a mystery of God...' or 2. 'Do your own research'. Come on now.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: You did your research did you? And now you want me to answer questions that you found too difficult to find answers to or understand. Well, I guess I should feel flattered that you come to me for these answers. But there isn't enough characters offered here...so send me a friend request and we can do it in PM instead of taking up space here and making a spectacle of it. Let's use some discretion...OK?
@johnspartan98 No, brother, I found the answers and it wasn't all that difficult. Despite the almost scholastic efforts of calvinists to somehow make the dogma of predestination acceptable, trying to tie it in with the righteousness of God, insisting on directly making an appeal to a person's responsibility even while he has no free will, and yet also insisiting on blaming this being for sin - the end result remains that for calvinism to be correct, god is the author of sin. Which is blasphemy.
@johnspartan98 And discretion? Your choice wordings, 'children of wrath', 'those on the road to destruction', and 'sons of perdition' forefitted such etiquette.
@johnspartan98 Furthermore, children are very special, you say. I agree. We differ on how to approach this uniqueness. I for one would pass telling children they are inherently evil, wicked by nature, cannot do any good even if they wanted to (... but rags to God, right?) and face the chance of being sent to hell for all eternity simply because God decided he/she is part of the reprobate. All according to a grand plan by a God who send us 'Good News'. Brother, please... who are you foolin...
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...The book of Romans clearly teaches predestination...so it's not a Calvinist doctrine. The Bible teaches that man, in his natural state(without a born again spirit in him), has no desire to seek God or to please God and all man's works are as filthy rags to God. So it is that GOD reaches out to man, and GOD regenerates the spirit through the Gospel and His Holy Spirit. God imparts the faith in man which leads man to repentence/forgiveness of sins.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...A believer enters a new realm of existance...and is set free to live according to the spirit. A beliver wants to please God and does please God by living according the spirit. So you see the two different perspectives? It is the new life of Christ in the believer that changes everything...but before that change ever takes place, it is ALL the work of God and according to His divine plane that a person comes to believe.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...As believers we cannot second guess God. We don't know who God has predestined. One day a person denies God, the next day the same person hears the Gospel, repents, and believes. All we are to do is honor our calling by living according to the spirit, preach the Gospel, and practice true religion which the Bible defines as taking care of widows, orphans, the elderly, needy, sick, poor, our own families, etc. The rest is in God's hands.
@johnspartan98 So basically, we're speaking of a huge universal lottery, with God picking the numbers. Exactly what is the 'Good News' in the calvinist interpretation of the Gospel? Is it that some (probably just a few) will eventually be saved forever, while others (probably a whole lot) will perish forever? And is it that we will never know which fate was allotted us until judgement day? What exactly... is the GOOD news?
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on that road. The fate of the believer is not judgement. Judgement is for the non believers. I find it hard to believe you haven't Googled your questions and found answers online. Try Googling John F. MacArthur Jr. for Bible teaching on Predestination. You won't find a better Bible teacher, or preacher, than him.
@johnspartan98 MacArthur? Brother, I went straight to the horse's mouth. Calvin's commentary on the Bible, especially his very interesting interpretation of books that did not suit his theological ideas... like 2 Peter and 1 Timothy. They're online. Go read them. Next, check out how Calvin's successor Beza further fine tuned this ghastly notion of double predestination. MacArthur??? Calvin, brother. John Calvin.
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: I don't care what Calvin did or did not teach. You seem to have a problem with Predestination. Read Paul's letter to the Church at Roman. Paul gives a preemptive strike to people like you who question God. Who are you to question God? Does the potter not have a right to fashion the clay as He sees fit? Go by what the Word says and use your common "spiritual" sense....... if you have one.
@johnspartan98 Romans is about the only thing Calvinists have. And used out of context as well. To really believe Paul spoke of the individuals Esau and Jacob while making his comparison (Esau I hated, Jacob I loved), is to grossly misinterpret Maleachi 1:2-3. As for your question, I am not questioning God, I am questioning the calvinist interpretation of god, which is a bundle of contradictions. The logical end conclusion of Calvinism remains that 'god' is the author of sin.
Atheists spend a lot of time and effort trying to disprove the existance of the Creator they don't believe exists which violates the classical law of logic known as the law of non-contradiction. Science existed in the mind of God long before man discovered it. Take mathematics for instance.....mankind did not invent mathematics....mankind discovered it....because mathematics exists whether we do or not, and it always has existed in the mind of the Creator. continued next post.
You haven't demonstrated that God is actually real. No one has. Non-believers are waiting for evidence that this being known as God actually exists somewhere. Even if it's "outside of creation" he should still be out there somewhere right?
it's not a false dichotomy. listen tto that full sction and you will see it's a comparison of which helps life better. therefore not a false dichotomy
Well, I don't know about any other atheists, but I've been perfectly happy all my life. Sure I've had my down days, but I've also had my happy days. To know that I have the potential to change humanity, to think new ideas that may or may not resonate across the globe, or even just give life to the next generation...that's enough for me. I want to help preserve humanity for the future and ensure our survival. I don't need a god to tell me that. I chose it and that's what I'm going to do.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one - George Bernard Shaw
@fofobot This is a very ridiculous argument. Believing in God does not necessarily deny any of our scientific or technological discoveries.
However, if a person makes an argument that science sucks, is evil, etc etc, THEN that person should destroy their camera, computer, etc.
However, a rational, moderate religious person can very easily accept both his deity, and the scientific discoveries of the world. Science is merely an observation of nature. A nature created (hypothetically,) by God.
oh my god your stupid, he aint saying that you have to choose between science or christ he is saying that newton comtributed much more to humanity via science then religion
@DPetelin Not really, ive also had thoughts of suicide at around that age and one dosn't have to go through much trust me.
ps: I don't see how forced labor could cause someone to become suicidal since in northamerica suicide rates are higher now than they were when child labor was more common.
If one were to say that "opinions don't matter" they first have to know how people judge the value of something and that is through their opinion.
the statement that "opinions don't matter"being an opinion destroys its self.
I made the above comment because i think ive heard this statement(in Quotes) before in a debate about abortion were human rights got involved and i found it disturbing that they could go on and make emotional responses to why it was ok.
You duped others out of money you promised to donate to Sick Kids Hospital, filed false DMCAs, falsely accused someone of being a pedophile, lied about death threats so you could run away from your accusers. Your own words and videos here on youtube, new and old, prove you are a liar and a hypocrite.
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You haven't learned a thing. Still an arrogant hypocrite leading the blind like lemmings into the sea.
7:13 All of these "prophecies" reveal NOTHING about the phenomena that you attribute to them (apart from 1 Timothy 6:20, which can be interpreted as meaning that one SHOULDN'T believe in Science as a discipline (it distracts people from Yeshua, after all)).
How about Joshua 10:12 -14 ? Clearly a passage that shows the Sun and Moon rotate around the Earth at God's beckoning; exactly what Science has shown!
@Orthrus Oh dear.... I retract my previous question directed to him. I no longer want to sacrifice any of my brain cells attempting to argue with him.
The question I want to ask Venom and other Creationists is why do they accept Christianity. All their arguments are based around why we need God, about religious morality, faith, etc. However, every single one of their arguments can also be applied to Islam.So, why is it that their arguments for a God (not a Christian God, but just a God,) don't apply to other religion?
Why do they accept the Bible but not the Qu'Ran? Indeed, does the Bible say even one thing that is morally "better" then Islam?
@Xxxfire45xxX By "Learn what you're talking about." you mean "Become an Evolutionist". As long as I remain a Young Earth Creationist, I can't possibly be smart enough to satisfy you... I have an IQ of 145 btw.
@ThePuppyTurtle And where was your IQ tested? On an online quiz, or did you actually take a few weeks of examinations and studies provided by clinical psychologists who have a PhD?
@ThePuppyTurtle Then please tell me what were the specific tests and the institution in which you were tested? Did you take the WAIS-II/III/IV test? The Stanford-Binet test? Perhaps the Cattell Culture Fair III?
Henman-Nelson? Are you a member of Mensa International? No? Why not with an I.Q of 145?
I'm not arguing against anybody. I immeditaly withdrew my challenge when I saw his level of intelligence for myself. There is nothing to gain from arguing with somebody so utterly brainwashed. I hope someone slaps some sense into him, but his brain is so diluted with crap it will take a miracle. How anyone can still follow Young Earth Creationism is beyond me, considering how utterly useless it's been not to mentioned it's been defeated every step of the way. It's insanity.
I know. I was raised exactly this way, but I'm more genetically inclined towards skeptecism, and as such I was able to see past the bullcrap of religion.
Wow dude. Now you've just removed Thunderf00t's name from the title and left PMS in?
You, sir, are a disgrace. How dare you complain about being called PCS than turn around and do the exact same thing back.
You are as morally bankrupt as always. You will never change. You will never learn. You are a joke and everything you spew is vile. How many chances have you had Shaun? Too many. Anyone who takes you seriously is insane. You are, and always will be, PCS and this vid is the reason why.
You make so many assumptions, HA! So much of what you rattle on about seems to be made up on the spot.
You don't want to listen, do you Shawn. Thinking everyone else has it wrong, even fellow christians. Keep asking why, to EVERYTHING! Nothing is ever resolved, everything is new.
Maybe, but what does that get you? The lesser of two evils? What sort of dichotomy is that? He got schooled several times before, promised to stop his idiotic preaching, and now he's back.
The lake of fire is NOT eternal, as in last forever. The lake of fire will destroy the earth along with the "godless". The idea of everlasting pain and suffering comes from different sources which more or less deliberately misinterprets scripture. Ever heard of purgatory? It's all false doctrines.
@droptozro The Bible says "Blessed are those who have NOT seen, yet still believe." I believe in God. God cannot be PROVEN and I don't have the arrogance to assert otherwise. God is a FAITH, not a provable fact. If He was a fact, there would be no debate and no such thing as faith. I love God with all my heart, all my mind, all my strength and all my soul but my love for Him is based on faith.
Yeah... don't proof-text, you just did with that verse.
John 20:29 is in reference those who have faith in what was done on the cross and the resurrection, and have not seen.
God can be proven, it's called the impossibility of the contrary---Paul reasoned with people in streets preaching all the time. Romans 1 is a clear example of it.
Glad for the last sentences though, most professing Christians don't think they're "able" to love God with all their heart, mind, and strength.
Actually the first few verses of the bible can be falsified by science. Bible says: Day 1 = Heavens, earth, night, day Day 2 = Firmament and waters Day 3 = Dry Land and Vegetation Day 4 = Sun and Stars Thus the bible says the sun and stars are older than the earth. Science says: Universe ~ 14 billion years old Earth ~ 4.5 billion years old Clearly the Earth is NOT older than the Universe as the Bible states.
@fu3lman So lame bro. Get over the DMCA BS. You TF Pawns have done whatever you could to bring VFX down. I would file DMCA's on you too just because I couldnt take youre damn stupidity.
If humans lived as the bible taught ( a perfect world), we wouldnt need the Science. This is not the case of course and instead we have to witness how science claims to be saving the world, when in fact it is only saving it from itself.
@BBertilson Are you talking about the entire bible? Meaning: you think there'd be a perfect world if we adhere to the laws given in books as Leviticus, or Ezra/Nehemia?
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones. No. Those were laws given to a world already filled with sin and God needed to set His own people apart. Yes some of those laws may seem ridiculous to you and I, but neither of us lived during that time. I am speaking specifically about the time in which Adam and Eve were created. before Sin entered the world. How God intended this world to be and soon will be.
It is interesting, if you study how God created us and what were were supposed to do, eat, and live we would be much better off.... Even going into the Mosiac laws. A lot of them still make sense and we can still learn from them and why they were put into action. You cannot of course put a modern personal bias on it and this takes understanding the history and much more of the chapters other than the verse it is found in.
@BBertilson The Chosen People were not supposed to inter-marry with women from other tribes. This is mentioned specifically in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and it is the apex of the message given in the books of Ezra and Nehemia. Yet Moses married a Kussite woman, and King David came from a bloodline originated by the marriage between Boaz and the Moabite woman Ruth. I understand the history. I also understand hermeneutics.
When comparing religion to Science I laugh. Theyre two fields! Comparing the contributions to the modern world is ridiculous. Science is great at coming up with new technology and advancing in medicines... But might I ask would we be where we are in the modern world without the sin of science. The advancements have come at a cost.
> Let's for the moment assume that Newton did comparable amount in work on
> christianity and science. Now let's estabilish value of this contributions in different fields from a smart man in order to get a feel which of this work has a greater value to mankind.
This is called quote mining.
And no, this is not dichotomy, this is comparison. You are misleading people.
The bible also talkes about sterilizing metal objects by putting them in fire. In Leviticus. "and anything else that can withstand fire must be put through the fire, and then it will be clean."
Great vid VFX... just one thing concerns me, which is your apparent position that you're a theist BECAUSE you believe evolution is false? I don't strictly believe that evolution is false, and I don't see how it contradicts creationism, except for an explicit literal interpretation of creationism. It sounds to me like if evolution were proven true absolutely, you'd lose your faith? That's very sad, because they're NOT strictly exclusive halves of some polar dichotomy where only one is true
You do put up with a lot of flak VFX. But it appears with all the crap that they have dealt you and viciously attacked you... it appears you're one tough cookie to crack!
God bless and take care.
Also... if looking for contributions to the world... most historical scientists are Christian. The most cutting edge countries in the world are run in the way that they are due to their Christian heritage and population.
btw what kind of idiot makes an excuse on what accent and facial expression a person has? And he wasnt even mad, you just paused randomly trying to find the best little fame to put in your video.... so sad.... so dress up as batman and play with youself.. wait you already did that..
You should just stop your sentence at "Thunderf00t wants to make you think". You'd be spot on then.
The description of the so-called false dichotomy is nonsense. TF is comparing the contributions of Newton in both of those fields. His scientific findings are invaluable. If you ask people what Newton had to say on religion they'd be stumped.
If I were you, I'd start picking on a brain your own size. Your videos opposing TF just reek of masochism. He owns you every time.
@FreeThinkingWoman88 Venom wants people(Christians) to think this. Scientist "A" is religious(more importantly, Christian) so.....Christianity is true. Also that the Bible predicts and pre-dates scientific knowledge BUT all the other predictions and proclamations of scientific facts from other religions don't and are false.
@sumosword I know, I've seen this argument over and over again. It churns my stomach every time. The "We must be right because (insert noted scientist) thinks the same" stance is almost as bad as the "You must be wrong because (insert historical arsehole) was an atheist".
If no creator exists in his creations, then the creation does not exist in the creator. And never will. To express the unknown using the known is bound for disaster. VenomFangX, you'll never be able to transfer God to anyone's mind. The second coming comes from within. That's why Jesus hasn't poofed us up into the heavens already. He simply can't. For those of you who don't believe in God, I don't blame you. I don't either. But when I and you and God are not around, there in we will be.
God bless Thunderfoot for he is alive too with Gods calling to receive Him in his heart please lets all have him in our prayers and set a good example of [love] and [faith], we are to have a unconditional heart as therefore our God loves unconditionally, keep an eye on your heart daily to keep in check that you are loving unconditionally being Holy as therefore our God is Holy n perfect. 1 Corinthians 11:31-32 , 1 Peter 1:16 , matt 5:48.
@KidJonathan I wonder how silly people will feel when they preach all these types of things, then after being handed unarguable evidence (like how triangulation (basic math) proves that stars are up to 13.8 billions years away, which, disproves the 'infallible' word of Gods statement of the Earth being 6,000 years old). Or... Will they feel stupid at all? Will they accept it? Or will they continue to fight even though they know they're wrong, because they know they look ridiculous.
God invented science.
1GodOnlyOne 1 month ago
Why did you remove my comment?
robvlob 1 month ago
The studyMetaphsyics, beyond the natural one...Then its supernatural.....Even though nothing in our entirety of human experience points us in the direction of supernatural just the natural....why bother with the supernatural then?
kenshin304 5 months ago
Hmmmm, not the correct usage of the logical phalacy. He didn't prove one over the other. He showed one is more useful then the other. One method has value, the other has much less value.
kenshin304 5 months ago
@VenomfangX So you're saying that the Bible does not provide any predictive capability, instead it has the ability to confirm observations which through science can be described, predicted and eventually confirmed through models.
Where exactly is the Bible of any use in predicting scientific observations in any way, shape or form?
Halvegare1 5 months ago
*John 12:37- "Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in Him. "
2 Timothy 2:23- " Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels."
yadig2012 7 months ago
@JonathanSerious Exactly, dude! Keep up the great work, Shawn!
Colossians 3:23-24- " Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving."
yadig2012 7 months ago
@VenomFangX the fact that you have never talked to any atheists about the emotional freedom they feel once they have eliminated god from their lives is clearly apparent. as an atheist, i don't believe in heaven, nor in hell, and i think that this is the one and only life i will ever have, so I appreciate every moment that I am alive much more than you ever could because your sense of humanity has been spoiled by your belief in an eternal afterlife
IcySack 8 months ago
There are a number of ridiculous practices in the bible which no one christian does today.... The bible doesn't tell us "it's fine not to do these things in the future because things will be different" So we have all sinned and supposedly we're supposed to cut off the parts of our flesh we have sinned with... Well I'm not up for pulling a Helen Keller anytime soon. Also this: Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Leviticus 20:9 Yeah there's more but can you explain this VFX
letspretendxc0re 8 months ago
I know you're mad at thunderf00t and you have every right to want to defend yourself but even though you made good points you also show through some of your words that you take this very personally. I'm not saying that you shouldn't feel that way but it makes you look bad when you show it like that. I think thunderf00t will eventually look back and feel bad about being so insulting to you.
plhearn 10 months ago
VenomFangX is the MAN!
7ees 10 months ago
Science can annihilate the integrity of the Bible, bit by bit. Both cannot be correct, since if Science is accurate, the Bible is 99.9% utter bs.
There is a reason Thunderf00t has 4x the subs than this joker, and he isn't afraid to turn likes/dislikes on.
TheRoneebExperiment 10 months ago
When are you going to address the misogyny in this video?
doombuggy123 11 months ago
So if you don't believe in someones religion you are a depressed person and can experience no happiness !?!? Move over psychology... I think we have a new & revolutionary new theory...
orangemod 11 months ago
@orangemod Naw, I don't think you understand the argument. Being an atheist, by its very definition, leaves one with a hopeless life.
Compare it to the parable of Sisyphus, who was cursed to push a boulder up a mountain forever. If he got the boulder up the mountain, it would only fall back down. So an atheist can lead a "successful" life. If one asked "what's the point?" The correct answer would be that there is no point.
Kind of a depressive outlook, yes?
tipsdaturtle 11 months ago
@tipsdaturtle TD, Maybe I am missing something here ??? I just don't see how not having a religious belief system makes ones life depressing or pointless. I mean, I have purpose in my life and feel that I get out what I put in. Everything about life is attitude. Having good attitudes and leading a purposeful life is something we all strive for. I feel just as successful in my attitudes as I did when I had religious beliefs. As I get older, I feel like I am getting even better at having purpose.
orangemod 11 months ago
@tipsdaturtle Also, it is quite possible that Atheism is an attitude that would never work for you personally. That doesn't mean that it wont work for me. I just don't find religious convictions something that works for me....however I can understand that it may work perfectly for you. If I felt that being without religion was a negative thing for me, I would make a change. I don't hold any attitudes that would not let me make any change I deemed useful. Hope that gives you my ideas. Cheers
orangemod 11 months ago
@orangemod I seesies. But you keep talking about purpose when, as would come with any naturalistic viewpoint, there is no purpose. It's fine if you're okay with it, but to those who have a hope for the future after living purposeful lives see having no purpose or hope as depressive.
Truly it's better not to be depressed than to be depressed, and I'm actually glad you aren't. It's just that life becomes a Sisyphaean task without purpose or hope for the future.
tipsdaturtle 11 months ago
@tipsdaturtle TD, I get what you are saying and it is valid as an opinion or theory or whatever. I guess I try to get all I can outta life. I've always been the type who needs a purpose. It has always made me feel useful and a contributor to the betterment of all that around me. I do, believe it or not, leave the door open to the possibility of something I just don't understand or can conceive of...who knows..right? I think that my way wouldn't be satisfactory for you. Yours?.. cont-->>>
orangemod 11 months ago
I dunno ??? I came to my conclusions after much thought and it makes sense to me. Before, I had a vague concept of a creator. No specifics too much at all. If I am wrong, my past beliefs have me being judged favorably because of the decent life I have led. Anyways, thanks for sharing. Cheers, Dave
orangemod 11 months ago
Great job Shawn! Love your videos bro!
YoungWerro 11 months ago
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Hey venom. How's that Charity Scam working? Or those false DMCA claims? Or calling dprjones a pedophile? or the murder from Tony48219 (your fan)? Didn't your mommy and daddy tell you to get your ass off youtube? We know your address and home number. Shall I give them a call? Seriously venom. After Thunderf00t, dprjones, even joneowens, etc. Helped you out, you still treat them like trash. How many of your christian friends helped you out? you even talked shit against togetherforpeace. copypaste
fnjanitor 11 months ago
Switch the rating function on for this video.
It seems bizzare that YouTube allows YOU a forum for free speech while you dont allow it for others...
phytocyte 11 months ago
@phytocyte
What are you talking about, he opened his video up for comments. Please use your brain before you post and use the mantra of "Free speech" before understanding what it is.
icecreamftw 11 months ago
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phytocyte 11 months ago
@icecreamftw Not the same thing. Comments can be flagged, deleted or marked as spam. You only have to make 10-15 subsequent comments to push the first comment out of your main view (unless you scroll through comments). Ratings (though not perfect) are more informative as they allow for a consensus to be made - its a far better tool for determining the gravitas of a video. Disabling ratings but allowing comments is a clever way of giving the illusion of free speech.
phytocyte 11 months ago
@phytocyte how doesn't he?he simply explains and gives valid arguments for people who hate him.whose the Aggressor?
urbman29 11 months ago
@urbman29 "valid arguments"
VFX: ....that is simply a FACT of atheism, that is leaves you without hope and cripples your ability to live a hopeful and joyful life".
To name but one of the ludicrous claims in this video.
phytocyte 11 months ago
Shawn ur the best! God Bless You
cycler7755 11 months ago
god bless you shawn ..astounding reply to the lost and angry soul that is thunderfoot.may god bless him.....all the best peace for 2011
ZINCOVIX8754 1 year ago
@PirateZnBrigandZ Lol, you don't think a bunch of people don't like Justin Beiber? I know I hate him. Also, have you not noticed that atheistic or pro evolutionary videos tend to get pretty high like/dislike ratios? I feel there's a reason to that. The majority of people...like the videos.
BigLundi 1 year ago
@PirateZnBrigandZ In yet even though this has been done, Thunderf00t still always allows people to rate his videos. He is a staunch advocate of free speech, and I'm no different. If there is a system in place that allows people to vote on whether or not you seem to be full of shit, then let it be. If it's abused, so be it, but let it be.
BigLundi 1 year ago
@PirateZnBrigandZ Perhaps. I just think it's a little immature to take people's right to mark your video as shit. Video rating is one of the foundations of Youtube dernit >.<
BigLundi 1 year ago
@PirateZnBrigandZ Yeah, bu since people aren't giving him the ratings he likes, he's stil disabling the ratings.
BigLundi 1 year ago
"Science deals strictly in the natural world"
"God created the natural world"
If God made this real world, and made your holy book, why is it that the two things seem to be in direct opposition on many, many occasions?
Comparing two fields of science with science and religion is constructing a straw man.
Nice work.
raphanon 1 year ago
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@raphanon If you truly believe that science and the Bible conflict then please offer some evidence.
the0real0realitykid 11 months ago
you are insane stop your preaching you suck.
hackfaghollows0 1 year ago
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digga115 1 year ago
He is not talking about truth. He is talking about the contributions Newton specifically made to the world.
Omircoid 1 year ago
Impressive. I don't recall there being any other method of trying to understand the natural world aside from philosophy. Science was developed as a product of philosophy, but became much better at explaining the world around us. Considering religion is mainly philosophy (or metaphysics as you put it), Thunderf00t can discuss them as the only two alternatives. No false dichotomy there...
And even if there were, it would still not make your religion any more useful a tool for studying reality.
WilHeru 1 year ago
@venomfangX
I sorry You failed To This guy's hat for God as Christian we should be loving to him
Look people like him could become great believer
I was A religions evolutionist long ago
now i know the truth
drshamast 1 year ago
@howerut Yup, Venom's biblical sources resemble horoscopes, they can be interpreted in so many ways that their language is essentially useless.
DieFatorLiveThin 1 year ago
@DieFatorLiveThin: What matters is getting the correct meaning the author desired to convey to the reader. Your interpretation or someone elses interpretation doesn't matter if they don't get that meaning the author intended to transmit through his words. Sometimes that involves reasoning things through, sometimes it involves accepting the plain sense of the text (in context), sometimes it involves a little research and investigation, and lot of common sense(which ain't too common).
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 granted, but I would submit that the Bible isn't a source that promotes a mutually acceptable interpretation given those means of discernment. I think that bears out in the various version/revisions and doctrinal differences amongst those who study it.
DieFatorLiveThin 1 year ago
@DieFatorLiveThin: Sure, there are difficult parts for the lay believer to interpret correctly that scholars struggle with to find answers for. But most of it is just common sense. For example: Don't commit murder, don't lie, don't desire to take another man's wife for yourself, don't steal, don't bear false witness, and Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation (2 Peter 1:20) NIV
johnspartan98 1 year ago
Creationism ignores the ability of science to identify an amazing number of "missing links" which illustrate the evolution of species, Evolutionary theory led to the science of genetics in which predictable and repeatable experiments have led to advances in cancer cures and stem cell research. To believe in a 6000 year old earth you have to deny carbon dating. If you think this is the Devil's work, that is something that cannot be repeated so falls into the realm of religion not science.
1293drive 1 year ago
@1293drive: Believe in carbon dating and see if that gets you the gift of eternal life then. BTW: the latest geneology studies from the pages of the bible puts the creation of Adam at aproximately 13,000 years ago and the flood at 4990 BC. It's interesting that the oldest coral reef on the planet is aproximately 4,000 years old and the oldest tree with life still left in it is 4,000 years old, and the tops of every mountain range have fossilized remains of sea and animal life.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 If the Bible were clear and unambiguous, it would deserve more credibility. As it happens, Christians ceaselessly argue amongst themselves about which bits to take literally and which bits are metaphorical. What makes YOUR interpretation the right one?
finlarg 1 year ago
@1293drive: YOU said, "Creationism ignores the ability of science to identify an amazing number of "missing links." Ha...ha...ha...ha. You mean missing links like all the ones found to be frauds that remained in text books in some cases for over a hundred years after being exposed as frauds? WHO are YOU to comment on what Creationism does anyway? You are no expert on Creationism. On the other hand, I've been pumped so full of TOE dogma that I qualify as an expert in it, and I know it is BS.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
The border between science and religion is the ability to predict results and then replicate them. Throughout history science has explained an increasing proportion of human experience - Church's explanation of the earth being at the center of the universe replaced by our understanding of the solar system stated in repeatable mathematics that allowed a landing on the moon. No one can yet replicate the creation of the universe. That will fall into the realm of religeon for a long time to come.
1293drive 1 year ago
@1293drive: Who gave you that BS? In the last century, alone, the number of scientific discoveries attributed to Jews and Christians are so numerous I can't fit them in the vast empty space between an atheists ears. The Bible is not a science book. It's a book containing the best philosophy, psychology, sociology, poetry, psalms, proverbs, "plan of redemption", "promise of eternal life", etc. that man has ever known. It has inspired the best art, songs, music, architecture, etc. known to man.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
Thunderf00t and all the other atheists can worship science over religion all they want but science is never going to make them an offer to change their nature from a physical carnal mortal human being (subject to disease, pain, suffering, and death) to that of a spirit being that never gets sick and has eternal life. When a book written by people claiming to be followers of a God contains instructions for receiving eternal life....I say that book merits unbigoted and unbiased investigation.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 As a non-believer I don't 'worship' science! Science is a methodical way of figuring out what's going on in this world. The same analytical method can/ should be/ is applied to the Bible. The trouble is, we humans are primates who look for and find patterns. Sometimes those patterns are illusion.
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: Primates don't build engines, cars, trucks, trains, buildings, conduct science experiments, solve complex problems using mathematics, build rockets, space shuttles, explore the moon, make hydro electric dams, wind generators, solar panels, batteries, radios. televisions, computers,etc. Humans are as distinct from primates as darkness is from light. YOU might be a primate, but don't label the rest of us as one. My anscestors did not swing by their tails or crawl out from a slime pit.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 Charles Darwin came up with the idea of evolution, through natural selection, and described how species adapt over long periods of time, to their surroundings, and separate populations eventually become separate species. Then in the 20th century, the discovery of DNA and genetics backed up what Mr Darwin postulated. We share a common ancestor with the chimpanzees, 6 million years ago. Look up the 'tree of life', we share common ancestors with ALL other life forms on this planet!
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg Maybe the reason why we seem so closely related to these other creatures is because we were all made by the same designer.
the0real0realitykid 11 months ago
@the0real0realitykid Maybe, but that seems to me like a cop-out. Evolutionary theory explains what we actually find, in far more detail. It may also be that the first life was 'designed' and evolution took over from then on... but I doubt it.
finlarg 11 months ago
@finlarg: You can't apply the scientific analytical method to the Bible until your spirit is regenerated. The Gospel message of salvation by God's grace through faith cannot be understood by man in his natural unregenerated state. God has to regenerate the dead spirit in you first...then your eyes will be open. In your natural state you are cut off from God and your existence is a feedback loop of want continually desiring and desire continually wanting.. from which you can't escape on your own
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 I'm sorry but I don't understand what 'spiritual regenaration' is. I spent many years trying to make a connection with and understand what you'd probably call God, but got absolutely nowhere. If anything, my enquiries made it seem more likely that there IS no God or creator or spiritual dimention. I could be wrong... and I'm still looking, so you won't find me declaring that all religion is BS, unlike some of my fellow non-believers!
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: The wind to power your ship, and the rudder to keep it's course straight, is in the Gospel message. Eyewitnesses and friends of Jesus have written great things about Him while being guided along by the Holy Spirit. Words on paper convey/transmit thoughts, messages, ideas, meaning, plans, and all sorts of things. In the Bible, Jesus said His words are Spirit and Truth. Beware of the many hucksters and charlatans preaching a false prosperity and hyper faith gospel.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 So, do you think VFX is one of the 'hucksters'?
I'm sorry Mr Spartan but your position does not seem at all clear to me. You seem to be claiming that the Bible is the best book ever written (my deduction based upon your comments). And you say:
"In the Bible, Jesus said His words are Spirit and Truth."
Does this boil down to, you believe the book is telling the truth, because it says so in the book?
Have you considered that it might have been created by humans?
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: I believe the Bible is God's Word and I believe His Word is Truth because I tested it, and it tested me, and it prooves itself. The Bible states that all scripture comes from God. Men were moved by the Holy Spirit of God to write what was revealed to them. It's not merely a Book. It's a collection of Books that convey the knowledge and wisdom of God which has the power to regenerate man's fallen spirit and prepare him for the gift of Faith that leads to Repentance and Eternal life.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 Fine. Those are your beliefs. It will take a little more than a collection of books (which appear to have been written by humans) to convince me.
I cannot see how faith is a gift, it seems more like a controlling mechanism to me. And Eternal life... have you thought through what that would actually be like?
A million years of praising the Lord and being thankful, then another million, then endless billions after that?
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" 1 Corinthians 2:9 (NIV).
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 There's nowhere to comment on your channel page! And you have 'friend lock' activated!
Why are believers so keen to avoid questions and filter information coming in?
VFX does the same. This seems more like a platform to preach from, than an open discussion!
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: I guess sending me a friend request was out of the question? I fixed that. Go ahead and message me.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 OK. Normally I try to get to know someone a little before I befriend them... call me old fashioned!
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: I recommend John F. MacArthur Jr. as one entrusted with spreading the True Gospel of the Kingdom (without the circus side show typical of the charismatics and the hyper faith preachers of the "prosperity gospel"). God uses His Gospel message to "regenerate" the Spirit and prepare the heart and mind of man to receive His gift of Faith which leads to Repentance. If you Truly seek God and desire to know Him, you will find Him through His Gospel.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 I will look up the work of Mr MacArthur just as soon as you answer questions posed to you, otherwise it would seem that you are pushing an agenda, which makes me suspicious of your motives.
I am here to learn about Christianity and how the world works. It would appear that , like VFX, you are not remotely interested in understanding WHY other people don't believe everything you do. PLEASE prove me wrong!
finlarg 1 year ago
@finlarg: I know why other people do not believe as I do because my spirit was once lifelss. They don't believe because they can't believe unless God regenerates their spirit, grants them the gift of Faith, and calls them to repentence. God uses the Gospel message to make it all happen. God finds us. We don't find God. There is nothing man can do on his own to cause his own salvation. Any desire to know God is the result of God working in man to lead him to repentence and salvation.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
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TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 That does not compute with Calvinism. "If you truly seek God and DESIRE..." According to Calvinism, man has no desire to know Him, and therefore he cannot know Him. This is precisely why Calvinism, to me, is the most nonsensical of all theologies. That, and John Calvin's ultimate cop-out in his interpretation of verses that don't match his gruesome dogma of predestination.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones; If you can understand there are two perspectives I think this becomes simple. One perspective is the pre salvation (natural state) of man(with a dead spirit). The other is post salvation state with the living Christ abiding in us and one with our spirit. Beleivers CAN please God by living according to the SPIRIT or displease Him by living for the Spirit of this world. The believer lives under Grace. The unbeliever is a child of wrath and cannot please God, nor seek him.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 Furthermore, a child born from Hindu parents, and dying right after birth, I reckon this pup is a 'child of wrath' as well? Seriously... calvinism pretty much transforms the being of God into a gigantic, cosmic Caligula who knows no compassion or justice.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: LOL. Now you are really second guessing God. The message Jesus sends in Scripture is that children are very special in God's eyes and there are warnings from Jesus not to harm children.
Teaching children atheist type foolish unbelief and denial of God gets the perpetrator an especially harsh punishment....Jesus said it would be better to have a mill stone tied around one's neck and be tossed into the sea. So stop your what if crap and use common sense...OK?
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 First of all, if someone would teach a child that, God had predestined him to do so. Secondly, I'm not an atheist. Thirdly, what about the children killed by Joshua's men in Jericho? As we're dealing with a never changing godhead here, whose moral law is absolute, please enlighten me. Using the scare tactic doesn't work on me anymore. Just answer the questions.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones One cannot use the excuse that God predestined them to teach a child atheism. Knowledge of God, Good, and evil is in every man's heart with the exception of a number of sons of perdition amoung us. Copy and paste your question(what about the children killed by Joshua's men in Jericho?) into Google. Do your own research.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 That is it? Brother, I have done my research... for years. Now I'd like to know how a calvinist is going to put all these discrepancies together without resorting to tried & true cop-outs as 1. 'It's a mystery of God...' or 2. 'Do your own research'. Come on now.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: You did your research did you? And now you want me to answer questions that you found too difficult to find answers to or understand. Well, I guess I should feel flattered that you come to me for these answers. But there isn't enough characters offered here...so send me a friend request and we can do it in PM instead of taking up space here and making a spectacle of it. Let's use some discretion...OK?
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 No, brother, I found the answers and it wasn't all that difficult. Despite the almost scholastic efforts of calvinists to somehow make the dogma of predestination acceptable, trying to tie it in with the righteousness of God, insisting on directly making an appeal to a person's responsibility even while he has no free will, and yet also insisiting on blaming this being for sin - the end result remains that for calvinism to be correct, god is the author of sin. Which is blasphemy.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 And discretion? Your choice wordings, 'children of wrath', 'those on the road to destruction', and 'sons of perdition' forefitted such etiquette.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 Furthermore, children are very special, you say. I agree. We differ on how to approach this uniqueness. I for one would pass telling children they are inherently evil, wicked by nature, cannot do any good even if they wanted to (... but rags to God, right?) and face the chance of being sent to hell for all eternity simply because God decided he/she is part of the reprobate. All according to a grand plan by a God who send us 'Good News'. Brother, please... who are you foolin...
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...The book of Romans clearly teaches predestination...so it's not a Calvinist doctrine. The Bible teaches that man, in his natural state(without a born again spirit in him), has no desire to seek God or to please God and all man's works are as filthy rags to God. So it is that GOD reaches out to man, and GOD regenerates the spirit through the Gospel and His Holy Spirit. God imparts the faith in man which leads man to repentence/forgiveness of sins.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...A believer enters a new realm of existance...and is set free to live according to the spirit. A beliver wants to please God and does please God by living according the spirit. So you see the two different perspectives? It is the new life of Christ in the believer that changes everything...but before that change ever takes place, it is ALL the work of God and according to His divine plane that a person comes to believe.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Continuing...As believers we cannot second guess God. We don't know who God has predestined. One day a person denies God, the next day the same person hears the Gospel, repents, and believes. All we are to do is honor our calling by living according to the spirit, preach the Gospel, and practice true religion which the Bible defines as taking care of widows, orphans, the elderly, needy, sick, poor, our own families, etc. The rest is in God's hands.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 So basically, we're speaking of a huge universal lottery, with God picking the numbers. Exactly what is the 'Good News' in the calvinist interpretation of the Gospel? Is it that some (probably just a few) will eventually be saved forever, while others (probably a whole lot) will perish forever? And is it that we will never know which fate was allotted us until judgement day? What exactly... is the GOOD news?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on that road. The fate of the believer is not judgement. Judgement is for the non believers. I find it hard to believe you haven't Googled your questions and found answers online. Try Googling John F. MacArthur Jr. for Bible teaching on Predestination. You won't find a better Bible teacher, or preacher, than him.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 MacArthur? Brother, I went straight to the horse's mouth. Calvin's commentary on the Bible, especially his very interesting interpretation of books that did not suit his theological ideas... like 2 Peter and 1 Timothy. They're online. Go read them. Next, check out how Calvin's successor Beza further fine tuned this ghastly notion of double predestination. MacArthur??? Calvin, brother. John Calvin.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones: I don't care what Calvin did or did not teach. You seem to have a problem with Predestination. Read Paul's letter to the Church at Roman. Paul gives a preemptive strike to people like you who question God. Who are you to question God? Does the potter not have a right to fashion the clay as He sees fit? Go by what the Word says and use your common "spiritual" sense....... if you have one.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
@johnspartan98 Romans is about the only thing Calvinists have. And used out of context as well. To really believe Paul spoke of the individuals Esau and Jacob while making his comparison (Esau I hated, Jacob I loved), is to grossly misinterpret Maleachi 1:2-3. As for your question, I am not questioning God, I am questioning the calvinist interpretation of god, which is a bundle of contradictions. The logical end conclusion of Calvinism remains that 'god' is the author of sin.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
Atheists spend a lot of time and effort trying to disprove the existance of the Creator they don't believe exists which violates the classical law of logic known as the law of non-contradiction. Science existed in the mind of God long before man discovered it. Take mathematics for instance.....mankind did not invent mathematics....mankind discovered it....because mathematics exists whether we do or not, and it always has existed in the mind of the Creator. continued next post.
johnspartan98 1 year ago
5:56 to 6:21 lifts two sentences from section 8 on this site. Please remember to cite your sources.
thejesuscommandment . com / proof . html
GuineaPigDan 1 year ago
That's not a false dichotomy. He doesn't say that if one is true, the other is not; he simply shows that one is true and the other is not.
then00best 1 year ago
You haven't demonstrated that God is actually real. No one has. Non-believers are waiting for evidence that this being known as God actually exists somewhere. Even if it's "outside of creation" he should still be out there somewhere right?
eebamxela 1 year ago
it's not a false dichotomy. listen tto that full sction and you will see it's a comparison of which helps life better. therefore not a false dichotomy
mf9196 1 year ago
Well, I don't know about any other atheists, but I've been perfectly happy all my life. Sure I've had my down days, but I've also had my happy days. To know that I have the potential to change humanity, to think new ideas that may or may not resonate across the globe, or even just give life to the next generation...that's enough for me. I want to help preserve humanity for the future and ensure our survival. I don't need a god to tell me that. I chose it and that's what I'm going to do.
0nlyHuman1 1 year ago
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one - George Bernard Shaw
glenisterm 1 year ago
@fofobot This is a very ridiculous argument. Believing in God does not necessarily deny any of our scientific or technological discoveries.
However, if a person makes an argument that science sucks, is evil, etc etc, THEN that person should destroy their camera, computer, etc.
However, a rational, moderate religious person can very easily accept both his deity, and the scientific discoveries of the world. Science is merely an observation of nature. A nature created (hypothetically,) by God.
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
oh my god your stupid, he aint saying that you have to choose between science or christ he is saying that newton comtributed much more to humanity via science then religion
bezeker12 1 year ago
Already resorted to disabling ratings? Whoodathunkit
relic1076 1 year ago
@DPetelin Not really, ive also had thoughts of suicide at around that age and one dosn't have to go through much trust me.
ps: I don't see how forced labor could cause someone to become suicidal since in northamerica suicide rates are higher now than they were when child labor was more common.
Castle3179 1 year ago
I shall make a statement or more.
If one were to say that "opinions don't matter" they first have to know how people judge the value of something and that is through their opinion.
the statement that "opinions don't matter"being an opinion destroys its self.
I made the above comment because i think ive heard this statement(in Quotes) before in a debate about abortion were human rights got involved and i found it disturbing that they could go on and make emotional responses to why it was ok.
Castle3179 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You duped others out of money you promised to donate to Sick Kids Hospital, filed false DMCAs, falsely accused someone of being a pedophile, lied about death threats so you could run away from your accusers. Your own words and videos here on youtube, new and old, prove you are a liar and a hypocrite.
watch?v=T_MYyc-PtH4
watch?v=QPrhsBcpYr4
watch?v=E1XgKQxasxg
watch?v=Nn4h-MjvIko
You haven't learned a thing. Still an arrogant hypocrite leading the blind like lemmings into the sea.
Ghorghinahn 1 year ago
7:13 All of these "prophecies" reveal NOTHING about the phenomena that you attribute to them (apart from 1 Timothy 6:20, which can be interpreted as meaning that one SHOULDN'T believe in Science as a discipline (it distracts people from Yeshua, after all)).
How about Joshua 10:12 -14 ? Clearly a passage that shows the Sun and Moon rotate around the Earth at God's beckoning; exactly what Science has shown!
Right VFX?
Greyclouds40 1 year ago
@Orthrus Oh dear.... I retract my previous question directed to him. I no longer want to sacrifice any of my brain cells attempting to argue with him.
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
The question I want to ask Venom and other Creationists is why do they accept Christianity. All their arguments are based around why we need God, about religious morality, faith, etc. However, every single one of their arguments can also be applied to Islam.So, why is it that their arguments for a God (not a Christian God, but just a God,) don't apply to other religion?
Why do they accept the Bible but not the Qu'Ran? Indeed, does the Bible say even one thing that is morally "better" then Islam?
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
@Xxxfire45xxX By "Learn what you're talking about." you mean "Become an Evolutionist". As long as I remain a Young Earth Creationist, I can't possibly be smart enough to satisfy you... I have an IQ of 145 btw.
ThePuppyTurtle 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle You are aware that IQ tests are not an exact science and are mostly meaningless.
Barthayn 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
No, we mean learn what you're talking about, as you're clearly ignorant of just about every single subject you discussed in your videos.
IQ for anyone under 21 is weighted and therefore irrelevant.
IQ also does not measure knowledge.
IQ is also unreliable in general as a measure of intelligence.
Orthrus 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle And where was your IQ tested? On an online quiz, or did you actually take a few weeks of examinations and studies provided by clinical psychologists who have a PhD?
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
@Ctserber2237 The Latter
ThePuppyTurtle 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle Then please tell me what were the specific tests and the institution in which you were tested? Did you take the WAIS-II/III/IV test? The Stanford-Binet test? Perhaps the Cattell Culture Fair III?
Henman-Nelson? Are you a member of Mensa International? No? Why not with an I.Q of 145?
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
@Ctserber2237 Because I'm 14
ThePuppyTurtle 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle And I delight in how you chose to not answer any of my other questions.
(Oh, by the way. There are no age requirements whatsoever to join Mensa. The youngest ever to join was merely two years old. Genius.)
Ctserber2237 1 year ago
@Xxxfire45xxX
You're arguing against a 14 year old chubby retard that dropped out of his freshmen year.
What more could you expect? :P
Orthrus 1 year ago
@Orthrus
I'm not arguing against anybody. I immeditaly withdrew my challenge when I saw his level of intelligence for myself. There is nothing to gain from arguing with somebody so utterly brainwashed. I hope someone slaps some sense into him, but his brain is so diluted with crap it will take a miracle. How anyone can still follow Young Earth Creationism is beyond me, considering how utterly useless it's been not to mentioned it's been defeated every step of the way. It's insanity.
Xxxfire45xxX 1 year ago
@Xxxfire45xxX
Well it's simple really.
First they're indoctrinated into religion at a very young age.
Then they're introduced to creationism before they graduate high school, when they still know nothing of science.
At that point it's too late to educate them, since their brains are already locked down on fundamentalist faith and ignorance.
That's how it happens really.
Orthrus 1 year ago
@Orthrus
I know. I was raised exactly this way, but I'm more genetically inclined towards skeptecism, and as such I was able to see past the bullcrap of religion.
I just wish more people could do the same.
Xxxfire45xxX 1 year ago
@Xxxfire45xxX
Same thing here mate.
Orthrus 1 year ago
Wow dude. Now you've just removed Thunderf00t's name from the title and left PMS in?
You, sir, are a disgrace. How dare you complain about being called PCS than turn around and do the exact same thing back.
You are as morally bankrupt as always. You will never change. You will never learn. You are a joke and everything you spew is vile. How many chances have you had Shaun? Too many. Anyone who takes you seriously is insane. You are, and always will be, PCS and this vid is the reason why.
Xxxfire45xxX 1 year ago
@Xxxfire45xxX You are, and will always be, an Idiot, and this Comment is the Reason why.
ThePuppyTurtle 1 year ago
@ThePuppyTurtle
One of the sheep come to defend the herder? Perhaps you could clarify to me how anything in my statement makes me an idiot.
Xxxfire45xxX 1 year ago
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Foderick 1 year ago
You make so many assumptions, HA! So much of what you rattle on about seems to be made up on the spot.
You don't want to listen, do you Shawn. Thinking everyone else has it wrong, even fellow christians. Keep asking why, to EVERYTHING! Nothing is ever resolved, everything is new.
todocambiara2 1 year ago
@Orthrus
Maybe, but what does that get you? The lesser of two evils? What sort of dichotomy is that? He got schooled several times before, promised to stop his idiotic preaching, and now he's back.
matthewreddington 1 year ago
@matthewreddington
He's better than Hovind at least.
Orthrus 1 year ago
The lake of fire is NOT eternal, as in last forever. The lake of fire will destroy the earth along with the "godless". The idea of everlasting pain and suffering comes from different sources which more or less deliberately misinterprets scripture. Ever heard of purgatory? It's all false doctrines.
gjoerulv 1 year ago
@gjoerulv Yes, all of it is.
todocambiara2 1 year ago
the clip was of thunderf00t asking what was more valuable, his contributions to science or christianity. Thats not a false dichotomy
SecularNumanist 1 year ago
@SecularNumanist
EXACTLY
Foderick 1 year ago
@droptozro The Bible says "Blessed are those who have NOT seen, yet still believe." I believe in God. God cannot be PROVEN and I don't have the arrogance to assert otherwise. God is a FAITH, not a provable fact. If He was a fact, there would be no debate and no such thing as faith. I love God with all my heart, all my mind, all my strength and all my soul but my love for Him is based on faith.
stargem77 1 year ago
@stargem77
Yeah... don't proof-text, you just did with that verse.
John 20:29 is in reference those who have faith in what was done on the cross and the resurrection, and have not seen.
God can be proven, it's called the impossibility of the contrary---Paul reasoned with people in streets preaching all the time. Romans 1 is a clear example of it.
Glad for the last sentences though, most professing Christians don't think they're "able" to love God with all their heart, mind, and strength.
droptozro 1 year ago
@stargem77 well said brotha
DippiFX 1 year ago
SiNFury 1 year ago
> Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: ...
Talking about hosts of heavens, not about stars. Please, stop failing at quoting the Bible.
qbz32 1 year ago
> TF00t expects from christianity to be able create a space shuttle
From the earlier TF00t videos: what treatment for AIDS creationism can provide?
> The Bible contains information about the natural world that could not had been known at the time of writing ...
Can you please provide any example?
> Job 38:16 "Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?"
This is translation error. In the original Bible there is no single word about "water streams".
qbz32 1 year ago
@fu3lman So lame bro. Get over the DMCA BS. You TF Pawns have done whatever you could to bring VFX down. I would file DMCA's on you too just because I couldnt take youre damn stupidity.
BBertilson 1 year ago
If humans lived as the bible taught ( a perfect world), we wouldnt need the Science. This is not the case of course and instead we have to witness how science claims to be saving the world, when in fact it is only saving it from itself.
BBertilson 1 year ago
@BBertilson Are you talking about the entire bible? Meaning: you think there'd be a perfect world if we adhere to the laws given in books as Leviticus, or Ezra/Nehemia?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
@TennesseeOwnsMyBones. No. Those were laws given to a world already filled with sin and God needed to set His own people apart. Yes some of those laws may seem ridiculous to you and I, but neither of us lived during that time. I am speaking specifically about the time in which Adam and Eve were created. before Sin entered the world. How God intended this world to be and soon will be.
BBertilson 1 year ago
@BBertilson You see no discrepancy there between the book of Ruth and the books of Ezra and Nehemia?
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
It is interesting, if you study how God created us and what were were supposed to do, eat, and live we would be much better off.... Even going into the Mosiac laws. A lot of them still make sense and we can still learn from them and why they were put into action. You cannot of course put a modern personal bias on it and this takes understanding the history and much more of the chapters other than the verse it is found in.
BBertilson 1 year ago
@BBertilson The Chosen People were not supposed to inter-marry with women from other tribes. This is mentioned specifically in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and it is the apex of the message given in the books of Ezra and Nehemia. Yet Moses married a Kussite woman, and King David came from a bloodline originated by the marriage between Boaz and the Moabite woman Ruth. I understand the history. I also understand hermeneutics.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 1 year ago
When comparing religion to Science I laugh. Theyre two fields! Comparing the contributions to the modern world is ridiculous. Science is great at coming up with new technology and advancing in medicines... But might I ask would we be where we are in the modern world without the sin of science. The advancements have come at a cost.
BBertilson 1 year ago
Original video: /watch?v=xEWVt6xyjLU
> Let's for the moment assume that Newton did comparable amount in work on
> christianity and science. Now let's estabilish value of this contributions in different fields from a smart man in order to get a feel which of this work has a greater value to mankind.
This is called quote mining.
And no, this is not dichotomy, this is comparison. You are misleading people.
qbz32 1 year ago
The bible also talkes about sterilizing metal objects by putting them in fire. In Leviticus. "and anything else that can withstand fire must be put through the fire, and then it will be clean."
Acuraintegraman1 1 year ago
Great vid VFX... just one thing concerns me, which is your apparent position that you're a theist BECAUSE you believe evolution is false? I don't strictly believe that evolution is false, and I don't see how it contradicts creationism, except for an explicit literal interpretation of creationism. It sounds to me like if evolution were proven true absolutely, you'd lose your faith? That's very sad, because they're NOT strictly exclusive halves of some polar dichotomy where only one is true
cyberdems 1 year ago
awwwwwwwww shieeeeeeeeeetttttt
Andsormida01 1 year ago
You do put up with a lot of flak VFX. But it appears with all the crap that they have dealt you and viciously attacked you... it appears you're one tough cookie to crack!
God bless and take care.
Also... if looking for contributions to the world... most historical scientists are Christian. The most cutting edge countries in the world are run in the way that they are due to their Christian heritage and population.
perfacetus 1 year ago
OH HEY!WAIT A SECOND
1:24 god by definition would be the creator of the natural world?
do you know what we are arguing about?
If there is a god ornot.
you cant simply place"god exists" into people's mouth.
KaminariKatta 1 year ago
@southdakotagirl30 So because he concluded that it must be so? The argument stops there?
No. He cant use science to falsely back himself up when he wants then reject everything that doesn't suit his agenda.
Branding something as metaphysical doesn't absolve it from the burden of proof.
sumosword 1 year ago
"Ratings disabled due to mindless-atheist-zombie-sheep voters."
Rofl.
OldDole 1 year ago
I would still watch TF's vids however. Even if some might be slightly incorrect, his knowledge of science is to be applauded.
darklyperfect 1 year ago
btw what kind of idiot makes an excuse on what accent and facial expression a person has? And he wasnt even mad, you just paused randomly trying to find the best little fame to put in your video.... so sad.... so dress up as batman and play with youself.. wait you already did that..
bkim9289 1 year ago
You should just stop your sentence at "Thunderf00t wants to make you think". You'd be spot on then.
The description of the so-called false dichotomy is nonsense. TF is comparing the contributions of Newton in both of those fields. His scientific findings are invaluable. If you ask people what Newton had to say on religion they'd be stumped.
If I were you, I'd start picking on a brain your own size. Your videos opposing TF just reek of masochism. He owns you every time.
FreeThinkingWoman88 1 year ago
@FreeThinkingWoman88 Venom wants people(Christians) to think this. Scientist "A" is religious(more importantly, Christian) so.....Christianity is true. Also that the Bible predicts and pre-dates scientific knowledge BUT all the other predictions and proclamations of scientific facts from other religions don't and are false.
sumosword 1 year ago
@sumosword I know, I've seen this argument over and over again. It churns my stomach every time. The "We must be right because (insert noted scientist) thinks the same" stance is almost as bad as the "You must be wrong because (insert historical arsehole) was an atheist".
FreeThinkingWoman88 1 year ago
Venom where did you get those pictures at 3:21 and 10:40
TigerRaptorFX 1 year ago
If no creator exists in his creations, then the creation does not exist in the creator. And never will. To express the unknown using the known is bound for disaster. VenomFangX, you'll never be able to transfer God to anyone's mind. The second coming comes from within. That's why Jesus hasn't poofed us up into the heavens already. He simply can't. For those of you who don't believe in God, I don't blame you. I don't either. But when I and you and God are not around, there in we will be.
gyruuryg 1 year ago
@orthrus thats what i think too, but i heard you see some crazy shit if you smoke dmt.
ebingen 1 year ago
God bless Thunderfoot for he is alive too with Gods calling to receive Him in his heart please lets all have him in our prayers and set a good example of [love] and [faith], we are to have a unconditional heart as therefore our God loves unconditionally, keep an eye on your heart daily to keep in check that you are loving unconditionally being Holy as therefore our God is Holy n perfect. 1 Corinthians 11:31-32 , 1 Peter 1:16 , matt 5:48.
KidJonathan 1 year ago
@KidJonathan I wonder how silly people will feel when they preach all these types of things, then after being handed unarguable evidence (like how triangulation (basic math) proves that stars are up to 13.8 billions years away, which, disproves the 'infallible' word of Gods statement of the Earth being 6,000 years old). Or... Will they feel stupid at all? Will they accept it? Or will they continue to fight even though they know they're wrong, because they know they look ridiculous.
Be honest.
JimmayRyzz 1 year ago