Re: Christianity: Genocidal Bigoted and Enslaving?

[miking193]

Jephtah didn't tell God "you can kill my daughter if I beat this army". That's the way you presented it in your video, so either you got this information from a bad source or you are a deceiver. Jephtah made a vow to God that he should not have and it cost him his daughter's life, and the moral of the story is to not make vows to God. NOT if you sacrifice your kids God will give you what you want. Repeatedly we're told not to sacrifice their kids like they do unto Molech.

[miking193]

@miking193 Which are you: a bad researcher or a liar?

[Jinreeso]

@miking193 The victorious Jephthah is met on his return by his daughter, his only child. Jephthah tears his clothes and cries, "Alas, my daughter! You have brought me very low!" but is bound by his vow: "I have given my word to God, and I cannot go back on it"(Judges 11:35)

[miking193]

@Jinreeso Judges 11:31Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. See it does not say I'll kill my daughter if you give me victory, it says whatever comes through my doors, One he should never made the vow it wasn't needed, in the New Testament it is written over again do not make vows, you are a deceived or a deceiver

[Jinreeso]

@miking193 Vow is defined by websters - a solemn promise, pledge, or personal commitment: a solemn promise made to a deity or saint committing oneself to an act, service, or condition.a solemn or earnest declaration.

[Jinreeso]

@miking193 This is the verse that is in debate.

"Whatever/whoever emerges and comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be God’s, and I shall sacrifice him/her/it as a holocaust."[1] (Judges 11:31 - a holocaust is a burnt offering)

"When I return in peace" means victorious from battle, the peace of war ended. He is asking God to make him victorious and he would show his thankfulness to God by holocaust.

[miking193]

@Jinreeso He never should of made that vow, the point of the story isn't to get people to make vows to God & sacrifice your kids for victory, but to not make vows, the rest of scripture warns about making vows, & notice in the story he is upset that he made this vow, even though he won, it doesn't say he didn't care he got what he wanted, but it's a reminder & warning to others not to make vows or swear with the Lord. This is a story about what not to do, not what you should do, do you get it

[Jinreeso]

@miking193 Also, the bible is riddled with numerous cases of both child and adult sacrifice, so I wouldn't put it past "God" to ask of such a thing. Also, where are you told to not sacrifice someone? God asked Abraham to kill his child, just to see if he would do it. Please, an argument on the bible is one you will surely lose. I do not mean to be condescending but when you called me a deceiver I got peeved. All my videos have solid evidence, I just paraphrase the info in them.

[miking193]

@Jinreeso well this is the first video of yours I saw, & you gave distorted info, so either you distorted it, or you didn't check the info to see if it was accurate, what else I am to think. Lev 20:2 is clear not to sacrifice your kids to Molech, thou shalt not murder, Jesus said even to love your enemy these are clear not to sacrifice people Riddle me this riddle me that, where are the cases of numerous child sacrifices? Jesus, Issac & the daughter of Jephtah that is three is that your numerous

[miking193]

@Jinreeso each of the 3 claims of child sacrifice the point of the sacrifice isn't this is a good thing go out & kill your kids, thats the way you're trying to imply that the Bible endorses child sacrifice. Lev 20:2 says not to do this. Each of 3 examples Issac, Jesus, & Jephtah daughter, the point of the story is something other then child sacrifice, & Issac it's Abs willingness to give up what he wanted most for God, & that God would sacrifice his son for the sacrifice

[miking193]

@miking193 "The Lord will provide the Lamb" pointing to Jesus Christ being the sacrifice that is the main message of that story not to go kill your kids, notice Issac lives & God doesn't allow it, with Jesus he was 33 a man and died for the whole world's sins, he came to earth knowing he was the atonement for the worlds sins, & he had to die for his blood to be an offering for all the sins, God does what he stopped Ab from doing. Jephtah daughter is to remind us not to make vows

[TransformersMH]

i agree with u 100%

[CJCA915]

It's kind of hard not to offend most Christians, anything you say contrary to what they believe, they flip out about it.

[agnosticman77]

Fantastic response!

[TheAtheistSwede]

Excellent reply. =)

[longhornman99001]

Aren't you passing judgment onto Aaron when you condemn him for passing judgment on others?

[onlyAerik]

Aaron pre-judges and claims divine right. That's the marked difference.

[HoustonAtheist]

I made the argument once that there are roughly 1.2 billion Christian denominations. The reason is base on the fact that every Christian will interpret the religion in his/her way. Picking and choosing, omitting and inserting, and some never even read the word of god for themselves. The depend on other (preachers) to tell them how and what the book says and means.

[AtheistHelton]

God does change his opinion alot in the bible on things, dont murder, but he sanctions the murder of people, dont commit sacrifice (which is murder) but he asks people to do it.... another great video!!

[Jinreeso]

This concept is silly and proves that god is not moral, atleast the god you worship. To think and assert that he can change his mind when morality is in question is the mark of a sheep. Look up the definition of Divine command theory, wikipedia is a good source for it.

[aaronk1994]

There's a thing called divine command morality.

[HoustonAtheist]

and thats called making shit up.

[ShwaNerd]

a.k.a. whatever the asshole with infinite power says, goes. Might makes right is such a primitive moral compass Aaron. We are literally several THOUSAND years ahead of that now.

[DeverHB]

That's not morality.

[Jinreeso]

I do realize that, Ham(Noa's son) was the father of the Canaanites, but for him to be cursed and noah to pray for his family to be slaves is not godly at all. Nor is it fair to them.