The worst is that the court took almost 20 years to judge this case just to ensure that no one could be punished. As a brazilian, i cant say italy is a first world country cause there was no justice in this case. Everyone left UNPUNISHED. If it happened in a serious country, i would garantee to you all that the people involved in this tragedy, would prolly be LOCKED UP in JAIL! but i think in italy if any case stays stopped for a number of years, people cant be punished anymore. That's a joke!
my dad whom recorded f1 races often since the start of the 90's on a cassette had an onboard video of senna @ imola. iv'e only seen it once when i was 10 before my neighbour 'borrowed' the film and moved countries the next day *faggot* but all i remember is that senna seemed to have no idea what was going to happen but judging his quick reaction i seen he knew a split second later it was too late. His steering wheel did move in awkward directions but williams confirmed senna wanted it to do so.
pure bullshit he went out of the track cause his steering column broke, yeah i know AYRTON asked for a longer column, but they, idiots (Williams) could make it better but no they just did a shitty modfication which they knew it was going to broke.
as an young AYRTON SENNA fan (11 years old) i know i can be wrong so if u want to say something dont say that i am an kid and cause thats not an excuse
In that time, the cars had a camera on board and the steering wheel a yellow light. The camera shows that seconds for the crash, the steering wheel wasn't only moving left-right but also closer to Senna. It was just broken, suddenly. And I don't think you should blame 1 person, but it was a mechanical fault.. And maybe also Senna's fault. We will never know, unless FIA give us all the information they have. I think they know more. Something happened that we may not know, I guess.
@GirlOfF1 Renault has always been a piece a crap car, Cheap french rubbish. i'm pretty sure it wasnt Senna's Fault, he was way to expirienced for that.
@Diabloke2701 "Little" known fact: the car Senna was in was not a Renault. It was a Williams, made by British engineers and assembled in the UK. Only the engine was French.
And Senna may have been as experienced as you can get, but the accident that killed him may well be his fault: the wheels didn't move because he blocked the wheels. That's the reason 99% of modern road cars - yes, even those "cheap French rubbish" Renault is - has ABS: hit the brakes too hard, the car won't steer.
Anyways, Senna's accident would have been not fatal, in ordinary conditions; unlike Ratzenberger, who dived in the wall at 320kph and experienced a deceleration that proved deadly whitout a HANS device, Senna had slowed down to a speed of 220kph - a "safe" speed in an F1 car.
Something went horribly wrong - a tyre hit him straight in the face, causing fatal skull fractures and, probably, two jagged pieces of the suspension assembly penetrated in his head causing further brain damage.
It was no one's fault. Sure, the Tamburello's wall could have been further away from the track; but however, the main reason Ayrton Senna died from that crash was extremely bad luck.
@clydeyello then thats an ABS failure, not his fault then, its not like the first time he took that Tamburello corner.
The fact that he braked so hard (too hard for that corner) only concludes that his steering column broke off ,even before he crashed into that wall, which has been proven.
@Diabloke2701 you don't brake into Tamburello, it's pretty much flat out. That Ayrton was braking as heavy as possible pretty much tells you that someone was not right with that car. Again, post race investigations, Williams was allowed to take the black box, which is illegal under FIA rules. And worse, tampering with a fatal accident scene (so illegal under Italian and most countries laws).
@clydeyello stupid? All electronic helps were forbidden in 1994. Remember Williams active suspension in 1993? Remember the penalty for Benetton 1994 because of using a electronic help that worked like a Traction Control? Think, before posting.
@Bleifusssss Yeah, that's what I was saying. A road car has ABS, those F1 cars didn't. You brake hard, no electronics will save you. Also, correct if I'm wrong, but I think that those cars didn't have carbon-ceramic brakes; so, if you're entering the Tamburello at full speed with cold brakes, you're pretty much screwed.
@vprmn : Okay, it was meant more theoretical cuz compare the >Engine and Sound of the 96 Ferrari & todays.. and ceramic brakes werent such good as now.
/watch?v=ws3jS9dPuQU WATCH THAT FOR A FULL VIDEO OF THIS CRASH AND MANY MORE OF THE BIGGEST CRASHES IN HISTORY!!!!! RATE AND COMMENT AND I'LL SUB YOU! #FTW
Bullshit!!! The rear wing provided enough downforce to go round plus front wing!!! Williams killed the worlds hero by fucking up with Ayrtons steering column!!! Will always HATE Williams!!! Fucking Liars!!!
People!!! See Gordon Smiley's accident... what happened to Senna is technically similar... the back stepped out, and then when correcting the car gripped...
I have been thinking about his accident a lot over the years. Nowadays I have the thought that something broke on the right side of the suspension-framework , maybe on the rear. That would explain the sudden turn to the right. I do not agree that the welded steering column broke before impact (it did break then) . They would have never let him go out if it wasn't welded 100% correctly. But why would Williams never tell what really happened? That is the thing that is not correct and not fair.
Is there real evidence that footage existed? Is there real evidence that the steering column collapsed? Was there a cover up between Williams and the FIA regarding the black box etc? If so pls share with us
@billyposter Following the accident, the broken steering column was turned over to materials experts for analysis. The report concluded that the column modification was badly designed and executed, and this caused the premature failure of the column.
Welding metals is not straight-forward. You can screw it up. The steeing column is very high load. The metal is a special alloy to handle the strain. Cutting and welding the metal has inherent danger to damage the metal and have premature failure.
@billyposter Good question: The telemetry does not prove that the steering was working. Williams attempted to asert that the telemetry proved the column was intact. This evidence was reviewed in court, and experts testified that there is no way that the telemetry data, specifically the STGSTN reading, could prove the column was working. The courts findings reflect this.
This is a major problem with the NG doco - it discounts steering column fault using data proven to be invalid.
@billyposter Why was the data determined to be invalid? In any scientific measurment, assumptions are made that facilitate the measurement. A key assumption to measure the STGSTN is that the column is in one piece. If the column is broken, due to the positioning of measurement sensors (as explained by expert testimony at the trial), the measurement becomes unreliable and invalid.
@billyposter The report on the analysis of the steering column was a key piece of evidence in determinig the cause of the crash, as was the CINECA-enhanced video from Senna's on-board camera. Such that the official investigation finding, and the subsequent court finding, is that the modification to the steering column was faulty, and this caused the column to fail and caused the crash.
The Italian authorities didnt just make this shit up, it is based on hard evidence.
If you want to blame anyone for this try the crew that built the track. The braking zone leading up to this piont in the track was very bumpy causing the cars to porpuse and caused many teams and drivers to complain as well as a short run off before a tire less wall. Senna was just doing his job going fast and as for Williams dont you think that Senna had much of the input as to how his car was setup including the ride height.
@Signhere3 The point of the Italian authorities is to do with the design and implementation of the steering column modification. Senna most likley asked for the modification, maybe even demanded it. But the qualified person to design, carry-out, and inspect the modification, must have the final responsibility to determine if it is acceptable. There are no excuses, if you are chief engineer you are being paid to have this responsibility, fail at this position and someone could die.
At 0:48 that footage is rare, that is a good chunk of what Williams denied existed...nice find, never seen that before, just helps prove Williams culpability.
@jonomutiny actually there is no real footage of the crash included anywhere in this doco - its 100% CGI. But yes the point exists that during the trial images where shown that extended the incar video upto 0.9sec before the wall, where previously the footage was only upto 1.3sec before the wall. Personally I have no doubt that the full video was surpressed. When the italians threatened perjury charges against FOCA, FIA and Max Moseley intervened and threatened to pull FIA events from Italy.
@puzzler103 I totally agree with you, the last 0.4 sec debate is well documented I believe the full impact must have been available also! It's sickening, such an obvious cover up. The footage at 0:48 looks awfully real though, if that's CGI, what an incredible job!! Had me convinced :-)
@jonomutiny yeah Its def CGI, but I get the impression that they had the notion to make the CGI look real enough so viewers might forget that it isnt real footage. The lack of any real footage of the crash in this doco I find suspicious, and at the least is further cause to question the credibility of the program.
@puzzler103 They used the footage that was availible from the cameras. They can' magic new footage out of thin air. The whole accident happened in the space of 3/4 seconds and there were only 3 camera angles. Senna's onboard, the camera that shows him hitting the wall and the view from michael Schumacher's car
@chrismarkbicknell This video poses the question, is the footage real? By "real" meaning; is it actual footage or is it computer generated image. The answer is there is no. The footage seen here in this particular section of the NG doco is CGI. Ask the same question about the whole doco, is any of the footage of the crash real? The answer is still no. Every visual reference to the crash used in the doco is computer generated, despite the availability of the real footage from 3 camera angles.
@puzzler103 Real footage of the incident is owned by Bernie Eccelstone and FOM. Given how many times videos get taken off of Youtube by FOM, who's to say it was made availableto do a documentary about a controversial incident?
@gturner38 There is provision in the Copyright laws for "fair use" enabling footage to be used without copyright owner permision in certain circumstances. I have had videos removed on YT due to FOM claiming copyright infringement, only to have the claim dropped and the video reinstated once I have claimed under "fair use". Of course this is not applicable to all countries, but the majority of democratic world use something similar. Its to prevent censorship of information, such as this debacle.
@puzzler103 yes, this is correct. Ferrari also threatened to leave Italy and never race in Italy again if FIA/Williams were found guilty. Given the corruption present in Italy's judicial and parliamentary divisions, nothing surprises me. As I stated elsewhere, why were Williams allowed to take the black box in a fatal accident investigation? That should have been left to the forensic police to investigate. Why did FIA allow it?
@mrtheoden well, it could be a long story to tell...but there is just one thing I wish to remark: corruption is a fact we can't deny,but the cheating action occurred in the very first seconds after the crash.
Williams Team,FIA,Renault,Ecclestone,Mosley should be asked why are there the final seconds missing from the camera car film: that's the main problem,and italian justice couldn't do anything more as the main proof was missing: missing since a short while after the event.
@jonomutiny speaking of proving Williams culpability, Wiki info on the crash is updated as I found out yesterday, and the updated information includes the final supreme court verdict in 2007. This ruling is that Patrick Head was guilty of manslaughter in the death of Senna. I dont care about blame, only what is the truth. If truth implies blame then so be it, but I feel Williams owes the fans an explanation as to why the story they provided differs so greatly from that provided by the proof.
@puzzler103 Once again I agree! Frank has gone on record stating how sad he was etc, but only once did he allude to the truth albeit vague, "With the car, I felt we let him down" Thats it a far as I can tell.
what a B.S. "car lost rear grip he steer right too bring car strait and then apply full brakes" Senna was racing not taking driving lesssons..............
he did not skid. he did not turn right into a skid. he did apply the brake. the steering column broke. stress fatigue failure in the high g corner. the wheels went straight. the wishbone pierced his head. the telemetry boxes were confiscated quickly. and the final seconds removed from onboard. even so you can see the steering column fail in the truncated onboard footage.
@VWKudzuGuru No evidence was found during investigation that anything actually pierced his head. More likley the trauma to forehead caused by peice of steel tube compressed in-between the wheel and helmet as the wheel made impact.
D.hill said only we know how was it driving that car on imola with cold tiers ..and schumacher said once about what he thought and he said ( he just lost it) and with broken steering bar theory its realy hard to tell what realy happin i guess its goin to stay as a mystery .all we can say he was a great f1 driver and will be always remmeberd .RIP
@91schumacher No mystery. The "broken bar steering theory" is really the investigation findings - just u dont know that cause of so much bs around and so many ppl with an opinion and no facts.
When it comes to F1 racing, margins are so small that at those speeds you need to make decinions in split seconds. That skill is why Senna was the greatest driver that ever lived. If components are less then perfect the marging gets even smaller.
what i read from one of the doctors on scene a piece of suspension went through the helmet right above his right eye,he said ayrton was actually choking on his own brain matter,how that happened i do not know,but nonetheless a great driver was lost
IMO, the amazing thing with this race, was that the red flag wasn't shown after the start line shunt. Had the red flag flown at that time, the race would've restarted with everyone on tyres at the correct (expected) tyre temperatures. Had this happened, I believe the Senna accident would not have happened...
senna died because he was hit on the head by the front right wheel he survived the impact just was unlucky to get hit by the wheel hence why the sides of the cars were raised for 1995 and is now why a driver cant see outta the cockpit. a piece of suspention didnt go thru his head if it did that where is the blood? and why was his helmet not puntured? and why has the helmet he worn got a HUGE black tire mark on the right hand side
if the brakes were to the floor, why didn`t the slow down as much as it should have, i mean, f1 brakes slow down the car pretty quick. other wise R.I.P. senna!!!
i have watched the onboard camera view over and over and you can see his hands on the steering wheel and u can see the left tire move with the turns and before he crashes u can see him pulling the steering wheel far to the left but the tire does not move and the car does not respond. The program on national geographic claims the computer read tension on the steering column until he crashed but based on the onboard camera view i dont think i believe them. the steering column had to break.
@SCOTTYHG1 Theres a whole series of videos which shows many reasons why this NatGeo video is false. It's labeled "What NatGeo did not say." it makes no sense that he lost grip from bottoming out because the cars do that all the time. there are sliders which prevent the car from doing so and create all the sparks that you see during races from under the cars.
@grindee2 this is all true. But we all must remember that the steering colum was extended at Ayrton's request, and if you look at the footage of the beginning of the race at imola you can see the concern in Senna's face. He new something was wrong. If he only would have done something about it... the best racing driver of all time would still be alive today.
@TheZWEBIE yes he wanted a longer steering column, and williams instead of giving him a new one they just welded a piece to make it longer, he would have never asked for a welding job. anybody with a bit of sanity would not weld a steering column, especially one of F1! of course it broke before the crash, what else! williams manipulated everything to keep their business, i feel disgusted that justice has not been done. now poor aryrton is dead and can not speak and we can not enjoy his presence.
are u saying the master senna couldnt handle a mistake like that give me a break the steering wheel was broken thats why the brakes were fully on cuz a corner like that udont brake on
If you watch the actual onboard, the car suddenly begins to rotate (i.e. lose the rear-end). He corrects this (so the steering is still working), and the car is then on the wrong line, and runs out of road. It looks easy when in slo-motion, but in real life, full speed, at 190mph, it's difficult (not that I've ever done it). Combine that with the bumpy surface, recent safety car period, and the apparently awful handling of the FW16.
@fdsaman123 i've studied the onboard footage i can't at any point see any indication of a rear end slide.especially when you look at the billboard as a reference point.
well i read an article where senna was very upset with the pace car cause it was very slow and he was getting worried about his tyres , but of course that wasnt the only factor for the accident..something went wrong with the sterring column , tamburello for this guys its an easy fast corner unless something like this happened ..such a bad luck also he was hit in the head like that.
@joe744 you're wrong: after the restart os the race senna was driving fast and normal, and one lap before the crash he even set one of the fastest lap time for the whole race.So, tires were ok by then (yes senna usually put initial lower pressure on them for departure).The direction just was not there any more and the angle of crash was the worst possible:the front tyre and suspension just went back direct into his helmet and no helmet or brain could survive that.RIP
i think 80% of the accident was due to the race restart all those laps made senna's car lower than it should by milimeters or whatever causing the car to slide at tamburello..making senna a passenger those last seconds of his great life..rip champion
@joe744 you're wrong: after the restart os the race senna was driving fast and normal, and one lap before the crash he even set one of the fastest lap time for the whole race.So, tires were ok by then (yes senna usually put initial lower pressure on them for departure).The direction just was not there any more and the angle of crash was the worst possible:the front tyre and suspension just went back direct into his helmet and no helmet or brain could survive that.RIP
steering collum snapped and the car moved ahead on a clear movie you see he trows before impact his steer out the car with a pipe with it. They onley cover the man who design the new steering collum maybe about 50 years or sooner frank williams die or adrian newey there comes the trueth
The car does step out a moment before but this reason to me doesnt explain why Senna would elect to brake in a straight line- he would have fought to stay on the track like he did in Mexico. The fact that he applied the brakes so quickly meant somethink was wrong.
true, no damn brakes during under or oversteer at such high speed. that only makes things go way south much faster. I have race experiences to back up my say. If he countered the oversteer, he wouldn't have counter all the way into the wall. Brake probably was the only thing he had, otherwise he would have take the car side way to scrub off speed and hope to impact side way or tail first. I've watched Senna's in car cam enough and I could count 2-3 sec the front tires pointed straight b4 crash
Senna died becoz of the stuped culum wish was made of copper, it was broken and the part that was siting in the stearing culum to the box hited him and killed him . Any other thing is bulshit. Williams KILLED SENNA , thats it
@aamor73 williams killed also ratzenberger there car was false but this crash is real the bottom i to low so he diddn't drive he bunch over th rack on that moment en slow down realy slow and his runway was over so BAM and he was dead its the same thing by ratzenberger
This constant discussion of a potential "cover-up" mystifies me. What's to cover up? If a component on the car failed, it failed. Accidents, sadly, happen.
Maybe it was Senna's fault, maybe some poor mechanic has had a few sleepless nights, but this is just a part of racing.
If it weren't for the frankly ridiculous Italian legal system - which doesn't mind Silvio B or Casa Nostra, but also doesn't realise that accidents happen - we'd never have even had the conversation.
such laws are to protect. In the view of the Italian legal System the modification to Senna's column was faulty as a result of negligence. I believe this is correct, had the mod been done properly, Senna would still be alive, but poor design and workmanship cost his life. why shouldnt someone be held responsible? F1 is dangerous, granted, but so is crossing the street. Why should Williams fail the duty of care to Senna and not be punished? Because the money, the power, corrupts the weak.
@markyhallam The cover-up is due to williams poorly modifying the steering column.
They would be held liable for that and would have lost lots of money and sponsors and support, maybe even causing the team to fold. The cover-up was to keep williams alive and to save franks own ass.
Whether or not you believe in the cover-up is another matter but it is obvious why they would cover it up (missing black box ring a bell?)
@markyhallam For me not was just an "accident"..many things walks for it..did you hear about masonry? so..sorry for my english..but if i spoke better..i could explain.
Anyway..Maybe you don't know.. Italian legal sistem it's very good..the problem are the politics which go to the parliament and vote law for them..
@markyhallam if u go back to that grand prix a safety car was isseud. withc in terms means cars have to slow down. temperatures drop and rubber contracts at cold. expands in heat. and u all know a millimeter or a tweak here and there saves or costs time. senna just whent to fast to prevent anything although he tried. all i know is when he hit the wal the right tire witch strikes first hits the cockpit, and maybe even his head. sad things happen. wish i coulda seen him become champion.
@markyhallam If this was just part of racing why arent racing drivers dying more often?
Because the racing driver's team has the same legal duty of care to their driver that any other employer has to their employee that lives in civilised society. The "cover-up" occured when Willaims team, instead of taking responsibility and letting truth decide if they had been negligent, brought a defence that mocked the truth and those intent upon it.
@markyhallam We would all have had the conversation, because we all wanted to know what killed Senna. The cover up theory exists because Williams acted suspiciously. Their bodge it mechanics made the car dangerous!! What part of that dont you get? And the race organisers should be held accountable as Ratzenburger died on that track so the race shouldn't even have happened.....cl;early topics for conversation? No?
@jonomutiny Yes, again we have political interference. F1 is a lot of money. F1 is very popular in Italy, as well as other countries. Poor Ratzenberger died @ the track, there's no doubt about that. The race should have been cancelled on the Saturday, but financial interests led to officials interfering and lying to make sure that the race would still go ahead.
@markyhallam The story says the top-front part of the cockpit of the FW-14 was too narrow, so Senna's hands scrapped on the cockpit walls. He suggested a bigger steer bar. As a thing like this take time to be ready from the team fabric, mechanics made a solder using a steel bar narrower then the rest of the column. That's one of the versions. Actually, i believe it was really a race incident, caused by several factors... it was destinated to happen.
@LuizSPK Yes there were a lot of factors at play that weekend, and the way these events interplay with Senna's accident its like you said, it was destined. However, through lies and coverup has developed a much bigger issue and questions about the sport and the people in charge than simply what caused the crash. I'd rather watch NASCAR nowadays, at least they have honesty and respect when a champion dies on the track.
Good to hear from you VonTripps, yes that is an excellent series of videos. Something wrong with the link you put up though, try copy and paste this one:
A comment made in 2005 by a Renault tech who was working with Williams in 1994 (can't remember his name but I saw the item in France in 2006) He exclaimed in a passing arrogant throw away manner that, "if only we had wireless back in 94 to interrogate the "black boxes" in realtime, this would've shown that the telemetry was correct and the missing data would've been saved in realtime." Everyone knows that realtime data interrogation can be erased in seconds. These techs are still running away...
How could it have been Senna's fault? Tamburello is a flat-out corner. And why wouldn't he had tried to brake or steer more before the impact if he had made a mistake?
God, these discussions are pathetic.Senna might have been a very good driver who had the sympathies of very many people, but he jst simply made a mistake which unfortunately resulted in a fatal accident. While driving behind the safety car, he didn't warm up his tyres, the car lacked grip,he went in the corner too quickly,chose the wrong line and his steering correction, opening the steering was not much of a help,on the contrary,but that was just a reflex coz he thought he'd stay on the track
Thanks for paraphrasing the NG doco theory for us...again. If you want to know why most people dont believe it, have a look at the YT video titled "The death of Ayrton Senna - what Natgeo did not say".
If we want to believe the theory that the steering was ok and that the Senna lost control on the car because of the bumps on the road, then why didnot the front wheels turn when he left the track to hit the wall? i mean from 00.47 till 00.51 .
Im sorry and this is not being disrespectful to Senna in anyway because im a huge fan but why cant people just say he made a mistake. He went into the corner too fast he tried to correct it but had nowhere near enough time to stop himself crashing. Simple as.
Good point, why don't we just say that and be done with it? It is simple, but I'll tell you why we shouldn't.
In our world, we as intelligent humans instinctively learn so as to better ourselves and understand why things happen as they do. It's a basic survival instinct. It's called "discovering the truth". We need to...it's what we are. It's not about conspiracy theories.
Don't you want to know the truth? I do and a lot of others as well. Forget who, find out why!
the sad fact is that senna died. no one will ever know the reason for the accident. people can guess & speculate for months or years but the cause will never be known.
the only non-disputable fact is that the steering arm pierced his helmet causing almost instant death.
sad but true.
& as for him being shot. that is just silly. it wouldnt happen in real life.
Your dad is wrong. To accommodate Senna into this car they had to adjust and re-weld some of the components in the cockpit. When he crashed, one of these components hit him full force in the head, causing him severe brain damage, and ultimately death.
Massa's crash was similar in a way, except the component came from another car. Either way, if helmet technology hadn't advanced as much as it has, we would be mourning the loss of another prodigiously talented Brazilian.
After looking at the on-board pictures of this, you do see that the back steps out, and you see him turn the wheel, but it's the same answer as to who shot JKF?
i read alot about this and watched interviews from drivers like hill .i still think its a steering colum failure and thats the reason for senna not to correct and try to turn the car .
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Was Senna Shot?
I have always tought this accident was strange. Senna was such a talent that I disregard any claims of driver error, even more surprising is that no attempt to correct with steering input appear. If the steering worked, then was Senna shot by someone the moment before, this would explain the huge amount of blood, and why Senna never turned the wheels. A shot/murdered driver is a story FIA will never let out. I would also look at the car/driver behind Senna, of obvious reasons.
You've got to be joking. There is not one sniper in the world who could possibly shoot someone directly in the head when they are driving an F1 at those speeds.
im not trying to offend anybody or anything like that
but instead of steering into the slide steer the opposite way and cause a spin. it wouldnt have been as hard an impact and we still might have the ledgend with us
i honestly dont see his wheels move when the back comes loose and with his reflexes thats impossible. I think his steering column had a fatigued weld and broke but why cover it up unless it was on purpose, shumachers camera didnt break up at all on the same corner. Theres no way you can say what killed him, hitting a concrete wall at 190 could kill you without the head injuries he sustained. Shumacher had illegal traction control as well , cheating as usual
The amount of actual angle in those cars needed to turn them is almost un-noticable. Look at an onboard shot of a fast corner and you can barley see the wheels change angle. That said, you would only need miliseconds of grip while turning into the slide to send it into the wall. The reason you cant see the tyres correct is becuase of the speed, he didnt try to lock the steering, he tried to correct.
So your point is that we cant tell by looking at the video if the fronts where actually turned or not, and I agree. But we can discern that the car travels in a straight line from loss of control until impact, so it seems a logical progression that the wheels must have been pointing straight in order for the car to travel straight. People will say the car was understeering, but I have never seen an understeer of such severity and duration from a race car which is otherwise mechanically sound.
An F1 driver would not exert enough force on a steering column to break it even if it had been welded and extended as his had been.
The car was a nightmare to drive as the traction control software (which Schumacher continued to use illegally) had been banned at the start of the season.
The crash was caused by power steering failure, which was why Williams told Damon Hill to turn it off at the re-start.
@jeroenie96 No, it wouldn't. But we weren't talking about the column, but the steering wheel.
Also, the steering column breaking doesn't really mean that the wishbones fall of, since with double wishbone suspension you have two wishbones attached to the chassis and then the track rod (or tie rod if you're Uhmerican) connecting the hub to the steering column.
I'd say that it's fairly well known that it was the impact that made the piece of suspension go through his helmet, not the rack itself.
@jeroenie96 The wheel and suspension wishbone would've snapped and come off with that impact and speed regardless of the reason the car hit the wall, they were designed that way. Nowadays they are "strapped" on to avoid this sort of injury and the protection around drivers has improved, they also use HANS to minimize basal skull injuries upon impacts like this. But you are right, the steering column did snap IMO.
What a crock. Look at the on board camera of other videos, you see Senna's head come into shot as he leans left to try and get the car around the corner. The steering bloke, simple as that.
EXACTLY. Notice his video starts to shimmer out SECONDS before the curve, it's almost comical how much it was tampered with, it is a bad edit job by the way, just look at schumachers camera on the same spot it's not even shaky....
The wheel came off entirely in Senna's hand, the car went straight for the wall.
In my modest oppinion, Senna slides a little bit while entering into tamburello but he corrects it very fast and continue driving. I think after the las correction the sterring wheel broke due to the tremendous effort and senna becomes a passenger. You can see on the onboard camera, that the tyres were moving to the left while entering tamburello but suddenly, after the correction they refused to turn and stayed straight. What a disgussting situation to a driver.
if he was able to correct it the first time why did he no longer got to correct it afterwards. it would be a very amateur mistake to even he would know to remove the brakes to get the car turning again. it just makes no sense
Out of respect to Senna I highly doubt they will ever change the corner back to the old configuration or something similar. It was a nice flat out corner but almost every corner like this has been replaced with a chicane. New F1 is very focused on safety.
The worst is that the court took almost 20 years to judge this case just to ensure that no one could be punished. As a brazilian, i cant say italy is a first world country cause there was no justice in this case. Everyone left UNPUNISHED. If it happened in a serious country, i would garantee to you all that the people involved in this tragedy, would prolly be LOCKED UP in JAIL! but i think in italy if any case stays stopped for a number of years, people cant be punished anymore. That's a joke!
Fernandohv45 1 day ago
and the real scenes are....
ruedafest 4 weeks ago
The problem was: Bad car whit bad segurity
z5can7c3 1 month ago
This is a load of cobblers. His steering column broke. That's what the court found in 2007.
wks1978 1 month ago 2
shit story senna was good enough to not make this mistake
vicxon100 2 months ago
BULLSHIT !
cutmonn 3 months ago 3
Read for yourself, its quite interesting.
Nickvleugel 4 months ago
my dad whom recorded f1 races often since the start of the 90's on a cassette had an onboard video of senna @ imola. iv'e only seen it once when i was 10 before my neighbour 'borrowed' the film and moved countries the next day *faggot* but all i remember is that senna seemed to have no idea what was going to happen but judging his quick reaction i seen he knew a split second later it was too late. His steering wheel did move in awkward directions but williams confirmed senna wanted it to do so.
coolL9457 4 months ago
i really wish we just 100% knew the reason behind stuff and full non censored videos
WoodzTV 5 months ago
pure bullshit he went out of the track cause his steering column broke, yeah i know AYRTON asked for a longer column, but they, idiots (Williams) could make it better but no they just did a shitty modfication which they knew it was going to broke.
as an young AYRTON SENNA fan (11 years old) i know i can be wrong so if u want to say something dont say that i am an kid and cause thats not an excuse
V12Style 5 months ago
This seems to be at odds to what the Italian court ruled.
wks1978 5 months ago
Frank Williams is assassin, FUCK YOU!!!!
alexspielvan 5 months ago
@alexspielvan screwyourself....
vprmn 5 months ago
Only one thing i have to say F A K E ! ! !
RedhotIta1 6 months ago
he died to build a legacy. a legacy of quality and class
angroy23 6 months ago
In that time, the cars had a camera on board and the steering wheel a yellow light. The camera shows that seconds for the crash, the steering wheel wasn't only moving left-right but also closer to Senna. It was just broken, suddenly. And I don't think you should blame 1 person, but it was a mechanical fault.. And maybe also Senna's fault. We will never know, unless FIA give us all the information they have. I think they know more. Something happened that we may not know, I guess.
GirlOfF1 6 months ago
@GirlOfF1 Renault has always been a piece a crap car, Cheap french rubbish. i'm pretty sure it wasnt Senna's Fault, he was way to expirienced for that.
Diabloke2701 6 months ago
@Diabloke2701 "Little" known fact: the car Senna was in was not a Renault. It was a Williams, made by British engineers and assembled in the UK. Only the engine was French.
And Senna may have been as experienced as you can get, but the accident that killed him may well be his fault: the wheels didn't move because he blocked the wheels. That's the reason 99% of modern road cars - yes, even those "cheap French rubbish" Renault is - has ABS: hit the brakes too hard, the car won't steer.
clydeyello 6 months ago
@clydeyello *locked the wheels
Anyways, Senna's accident would have been not fatal, in ordinary conditions; unlike Ratzenberger, who dived in the wall at 320kph and experienced a deceleration that proved deadly whitout a HANS device, Senna had slowed down to a speed of 220kph - a "safe" speed in an F1 car.
clydeyello 6 months ago
Something went horribly wrong - a tyre hit him straight in the face, causing fatal skull fractures and, probably, two jagged pieces of the suspension assembly penetrated in his head causing further brain damage.
It was no one's fault. Sure, the Tamburello's wall could have been further away from the track; but however, the main reason Ayrton Senna died from that crash was extremely bad luck.
clydeyello 6 months ago
@clydeyello then thats an ABS failure, not his fault then, its not like the first time he took that Tamburello corner.
The fact that he braked so hard (too hard for that corner) only concludes that his steering column broke off ,even before he crashed into that wall, which has been proven.
Diabloke2701 6 months ago
@Diabloke2701 you don't brake into Tamburello, it's pretty much flat out. That Ayrton was braking as heavy as possible pretty much tells you that someone was not right with that car. Again, post race investigations, Williams was allowed to take the black box, which is illegal under FIA rules. And worse, tampering with a fatal accident scene (so illegal under Italian and most countries laws).
mrtheoden 6 months ago
@clydeyello stupid? All electronic helps were forbidden in 1994. Remember Williams active suspension in 1993? Remember the penalty for Benetton 1994 because of using a electronic help that worked like a Traction Control? Think, before posting.
Bleifusssss 6 months ago
@Bleifusssss Yeah, that's what I was saying. A road car has ABS, those F1 cars didn't. You brake hard, no electronics will save you. Also, correct if I'm wrong, but I think that those cars didn't have carbon-ceramic brakes; so, if you're entering the Tamburello at full speed with cold brakes, you're pretty much screwed.
clydeyello 6 months ago
@clydeyello : They had already ceramic brakes, dude. F1 only has stepped back in Braking & Engine technologies since the early 90ties.
Bleifusssss 6 months ago
@Bleifusssss 90s braking 100m before turn, these days 70 - 50m before turn. !
vprmn 5 months ago
@vprmn : Okay, it was meant more theoretical cuz compare the >Engine and Sound of the 96 Ferrari & todays.. and ceramic brakes werent such good as now.
Bleifusssss 5 months ago
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zzifGirzz 7 months ago
Bullshit!!! The rear wing provided enough downforce to go round plus front wing!!! Williams killed the worlds hero by fucking up with Ayrtons steering column!!! Will always HATE Williams!!! Fucking Liars!!!
vteker 8 months ago
They will always WILL COVER THAT UNFORTUNATELY NOT THE ANSWER OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE BAR THAT BROKE DIRECTION.
FernandoLapa87 8 months ago
he died cos front left tire hitted to hes head ;( RIP
rexuro64 8 months ago
look senna wouldnt ov died a bit of suspension pierced his helmet
sexygirl1678 8 months ago
People!!! See Gordon Smiley's accident... what happened to Senna is technically similar... the back stepped out, and then when correcting the car gripped...
avillarreal 8 months ago
I have been thinking about his accident a lot over the years. Nowadays I have the thought that something broke on the right side of the suspension-framework , maybe on the rear. That would explain the sudden turn to the right. I do not agree that the welded steering column broke before impact (it did break then) . They would have never let him go out if it wasn't welded 100% correctly. But why would Williams never tell what really happened? That is the thing that is not correct and not fair.
TheBigHase 9 months ago
Wrong, if that was the case, the car would have spun.
bubi8894 9 months ago
what they dont say is that the steering pressure went to -1000 pounds, which would clearly indicate something breaking in the column. just saying.
zak4829 9 months ago
RIP Senna. Some day when I am old enough, I will go to Imola and visit Aryton's monument.
alexlam24 9 months ago
Is there real evidence that footage existed? Is there real evidence that the steering column collapsed? Was there a cover up between Williams and the FIA regarding the black box etc? If so pls share with us
billyposter 9 months ago
@billyposter Following the accident, the broken steering column was turned over to materials experts for analysis. The report concluded that the column modification was badly designed and executed, and this caused the premature failure of the column.
Welding metals is not straight-forward. You can screw it up. The steeing column is very high load. The metal is a special alloy to handle the strain. Cutting and welding the metal has inherent danger to damage the metal and have premature failure.
puzzler103 9 months ago
@puzzler103 then why does telemetry show that the steering was working? Are you really saying they faked the telemetry?
billyposter 9 months ago
@billyposter Good question: The telemetry does not prove that the steering was working. Williams attempted to asert that the telemetry proved the column was intact. This evidence was reviewed in court, and experts testified that there is no way that the telemetry data, specifically the STGSTN reading, could prove the column was working. The courts findings reflect this.
This is a major problem with the NG doco - it discounts steering column fault using data proven to be invalid.
puzzler103 9 months ago
@billyposter Why was the data determined to be invalid? In any scientific measurment, assumptions are made that facilitate the measurement. A key assumption to measure the STGSTN is that the column is in one piece. If the column is broken, due to the positioning of measurement sensors (as explained by expert testimony at the trial), the measurement becomes unreliable and invalid.
puzzler103 9 months ago
@billyposter The report on the analysis of the steering column was a key piece of evidence in determinig the cause of the crash, as was the CINECA-enhanced video from Senna's on-board camera. Such that the official investigation finding, and the subsequent court finding, is that the modification to the steering column was faulty, and this caused the column to fail and caused the crash.
The Italian authorities didnt just make this shit up, it is based on hard evidence.
puzzler103 9 months ago
This is not real!
MrAtanasko 9 months ago
If you want to blame anyone for this try the crew that built the track. The braking zone leading up to this piont in the track was very bumpy causing the cars to porpuse and caused many teams and drivers to complain as well as a short run off before a tire less wall. Senna was just doing his job going fast and as for Williams dont you think that Senna had much of the input as to how his car was setup including the ride height.
Signhere3 9 months ago
@Signhere3 The point of the Italian authorities is to do with the design and implementation of the steering column modification. Senna most likley asked for the modification, maybe even demanded it. But the qualified person to design, carry-out, and inspect the modification, must have the final responsibility to determine if it is acceptable. There are no excuses, if you are chief engineer you are being paid to have this responsibility, fail at this position and someone could die.
puzzler103 9 months ago
Bottoming happens at every race... and the floor can't be in a PERFECT total contact with the tarmac to block airflow...
Nat Geo, go make animal documentaries and leave F1 alone.
BernieFOM 10 months ago
At 0:48 that footage is rare, that is a good chunk of what Williams denied existed...nice find, never seen that before, just helps prove Williams culpability.
jonomutiny 11 months ago
@jonomutiny actually there is no real footage of the crash included anywhere in this doco - its 100% CGI. But yes the point exists that during the trial images where shown that extended the incar video upto 0.9sec before the wall, where previously the footage was only upto 1.3sec before the wall. Personally I have no doubt that the full video was surpressed. When the italians threatened perjury charges against FOCA, FIA and Max Moseley intervened and threatened to pull FIA events from Italy.
puzzler103 10 months ago
@puzzler103 I totally agree with you, the last 0.4 sec debate is well documented I believe the full impact must have been available also! It's sickening, such an obvious cover up. The footage at 0:48 looks awfully real though, if that's CGI, what an incredible job!! Had me convinced :-)
jonomutiny 10 months ago
@jonomutiny yeah Its def CGI, but I get the impression that they had the notion to make the CGI look real enough so viewers might forget that it isnt real footage. The lack of any real footage of the crash in this doco I find suspicious, and at the least is further cause to question the credibility of the program.
puzzler103 10 months ago
@puzzler103 I agree, having watched it several times I don't think they tell the truth, its as if Williams asked them to make this!!
jonomutiny 10 months ago
@puzzler103 They used the footage that was availible from the cameras. They can' magic new footage out of thin air. The whole accident happened in the space of 3/4 seconds and there were only 3 camera angles. Senna's onboard, the camera that shows him hitting the wall and the view from michael Schumacher's car
chrismarkbicknell 9 months ago
@chrismarkbicknell This video poses the question, is the footage real? By "real" meaning; is it actual footage or is it computer generated image. The answer is there is no. The footage seen here in this particular section of the NG doco is CGI. Ask the same question about the whole doco, is any of the footage of the crash real? The answer is still no. Every visual reference to the crash used in the doco is computer generated, despite the availability of the real footage from 3 camera angles.
puzzler103 9 months ago
@puzzler103 Real footage of the incident is owned by Bernie Eccelstone and FOM. Given how many times videos get taken off of Youtube by FOM, who's to say it was made availableto do a documentary about a controversial incident?
gturner38 6 months ago
@gturner38 There is provision in the Copyright laws for "fair use" enabling footage to be used without copyright owner permision in certain circumstances. I have had videos removed on YT due to FOM claiming copyright infringement, only to have the claim dropped and the video reinstated once I have claimed under "fair use". Of course this is not applicable to all countries, but the majority of democratic world use something similar. Its to prevent censorship of information, such as this debacle.
puzzler103 6 months ago
@puzzler103 yes, this is correct. Ferrari also threatened to leave Italy and never race in Italy again if FIA/Williams were found guilty. Given the corruption present in Italy's judicial and parliamentary divisions, nothing surprises me. As I stated elsewhere, why were Williams allowed to take the black box in a fatal accident investigation? That should have been left to the forensic police to investigate. Why did FIA allow it?
mrtheoden 6 months ago
@mrtheoden well, it could be a long story to tell...but there is just one thing I wish to remark: corruption is a fact we can't deny,but the cheating action occurred in the very first seconds after the crash.
Williams Team,FIA,Renault,Ecclestone,Mosley should be asked why are there the final seconds missing from the camera car film: that's the main problem,and italian justice couldn't do anything more as the main proof was missing: missing since a short while after the event.
indigoblue555 5 months ago
@jonomutiny speaking of proving Williams culpability, Wiki info on the crash is updated as I found out yesterday, and the updated information includes the final supreme court verdict in 2007. This ruling is that Patrick Head was guilty of manslaughter in the death of Senna. I dont care about blame, only what is the truth. If truth implies blame then so be it, but I feel Williams owes the fans an explanation as to why the story they provided differs so greatly from that provided by the proof.
puzzler103 10 months ago
@puzzler103 Once again I agree! Frank has gone on record stating how sad he was etc, but only once did he allude to the truth albeit vague, "With the car, I felt we let him down" Thats it a far as I can tell.
jonomutiny 10 months ago
what a B.S. "car lost rear grip he steer right too bring car strait and then apply full brakes" Senna was racing not taking driving lesssons..............
fmyboki892 11 months ago
he did not skid. he did not turn right into a skid. he did apply the brake. the steering column broke. stress fatigue failure in the high g corner. the wheels went straight. the wishbone pierced his head. the telemetry boxes were confiscated quickly. and the final seconds removed from onboard. even so you can see the steering column fail in the truncated onboard footage.
VWKudzuGuru 1 year ago
@VWKudzuGuru No evidence was found during investigation that anything actually pierced his head. More likley the trauma to forehead caused by peice of steel tube compressed in-between the wheel and helmet as the wheel made impact.
puzzler103 1 year ago
D.hill said only we know how was it driving that car on imola with cold tiers ..and schumacher said once about what he thought and he said ( he just lost it) and with broken steering bar theory its realy hard to tell what realy happin i guess its goin to stay as a mystery .all we can say he was a great f1 driver and will be always remmeberd .RIP
91schumacher 1 year ago
@91schumacher No mystery. The "broken bar steering theory" is really the investigation findings - just u dont know that cause of so much bs around and so many ppl with an opinion and no facts.
puzzler103 1 year ago
When it comes to F1 racing, margins are so small that at those speeds you need to make decinions in split seconds. That skill is why Senna was the greatest driver that ever lived. If components are less then perfect the marging gets even smaller.
rob2049 1 year ago
what i read from one of the doctors on scene a piece of suspension went through the helmet right above his right eye,he said ayrton was actually choking on his own brain matter,how that happened i do not know,but nonetheless a great driver was lost
mrtuttle76 1 year ago
IMO, the amazing thing with this race, was that the red flag wasn't shown after the start line shunt. Had the red flag flown at that time, the race would've restarted with everyone on tyres at the correct (expected) tyre temperatures. Had this happened, I believe the Senna accident would not have happened...
Yet another example of the FIA's incompetence...
gchampi2 1 year ago
senna died because he was hit on the head by the front right wheel he survived the impact just was unlucky to get hit by the wheel hence why the sides of the cars were raised for 1995 and is now why a driver cant see outta the cockpit. a piece of suspention didnt go thru his head if it did that where is the blood? and why was his helmet not puntured? and why has the helmet he worn got a HUGE black tire mark on the right hand side
badhorrill 1 year ago
everyones a fucking expert.........grow up.
redderstheamazing 1 year ago
He didnt run out of road he ran out of TIME !
rowgun500 1 year ago
anyone talks of the security of the track
its more important the track security than cars security
if the wall have a line of tyres maybe senna survive to that accident
many drivers died because lacks of security in the tracks.
joelmafonso 1 year ago
if the brakes were to the floor, why didn`t the slow down as much as it should have, i mean, f1 brakes slow down the car pretty quick. other wise R.I.P. senna!!!
jocknerdman64 1 year ago
@jocknerdman64 they don't work too well on gravel mate...
SpeedDaddyRacing 1 year ago
@jocknerdman64 He shed like, 90MPH in 3 seconds..
TaKeItLiKaMaN 1 year ago
0:47 ran out of road, ran out of road, ran out of road, ran out of road...
UnholyOneToo 1 year ago
i have watched the onboard camera view over and over and you can see his hands on the steering wheel and u can see the left tire move with the turns and before he crashes u can see him pulling the steering wheel far to the left but the tire does not move and the car does not respond. The program on national geographic claims the computer read tension on the steering column until he crashed but based on the onboard camera view i dont think i believe them. the steering column had to break.
grindee2 1 year ago 9
@grindee2 it was the downforce which got wipeout when the car bottom out and so he had no grip
SCOTTYHG1 6 months ago
@SCOTTYHG1 Theres a whole series of videos which shows many reasons why this NatGeo video is false. It's labeled "What NatGeo did not say." it makes no sense that he lost grip from bottoming out because the cars do that all the time. there are sliders which prevent the car from doing so and create all the sparks that you see during races from under the cars.
grindee2 6 months ago
@grindee2 this is all true. But we all must remember that the steering colum was extended at Ayrton's request, and if you look at the footage of the beginning of the race at imola you can see the concern in Senna's face. He new something was wrong. If he only would have done something about it... the best racing driver of all time would still be alive today.
TheZWEBIE 5 months ago
@TheZWEBIE yes he wanted a longer steering column, and williams instead of giving him a new one they just welded a piece to make it longer, he would have never asked for a welding job. anybody with a bit of sanity would not weld a steering column, especially one of F1! of course it broke before the crash, what else! williams manipulated everything to keep their business, i feel disgusted that justice has not been done. now poor aryrton is dead and can not speak and we can not enjoy his presence.
alynadance 2 months ago
are u saying the master senna couldnt handle a mistake like that give me a break the steering wheel was broken thats why the brakes were fully on cuz a corner like that udont brake on
keytek9 1 year ago
wtf? 0:48 - 0:50 ? is it from onboard ??? i have never seen that, until now..or it is fake?
vprmn 1 year ago
@vprmn It's a reconstruction. It clearly doesn't belong to the original video.
You got to love the Close Captioning on this one. At 0:40 it reads "woody allen", in place of "were fully on" hahaha.
Ferrim 1 year ago
english bullshit.
Abrakain 1 year ago
If you watch the actual onboard, the car suddenly begins to rotate (i.e. lose the rear-end). He corrects this (so the steering is still working), and the car is then on the wrong line, and runs out of road. It looks easy when in slo-motion, but in real life, full speed, at 190mph, it's difficult (not that I've ever done it). Combine that with the bumpy surface, recent safety car period, and the apparently awful handling of the FW16.
fdsaman123 1 year ago
@fdsaman123 i've studied the onboard footage i can't at any point see any indication of a rear end slide.especially when you look at the billboard as a reference point.
willvfr 1 year ago
All 3d footage.
NunoKopio 1 year ago
I just remember him as the best racing driver of all time...
biomut3 1 year ago 32
well i read an article where senna was very upset with the pace car cause it was very slow and he was getting worried about his tyres , but of course that wasnt the only factor for the accident..something went wrong with the sterring column , tamburello for this guys its an easy fast corner unless something like this happened ..such a bad luck also he was hit in the head like that.
joe744 1 year ago
@joe744 you're wrong: after the restart os the race senna was driving fast and normal, and one lap before the crash he even set one of the fastest lap time for the whole race.So, tires were ok by then (yes senna usually put initial lower pressure on them for departure).The direction just was not there any more and the angle of crash was the worst possible:the front tyre and suspension just went back direct into his helmet and no helmet or brain could survive that.RIP
miguelnevoeiro 1 year ago
This sucks! Why no soft barriers? Those f'ing goddam Italians .
TheAlex7747 1 year ago
@TheAlex7747 i'm italian and you are ana idiot
leonardofra80 1 year ago
@TheAlex7747 i'm italian and u r an idiot
leonardofra80 1 year ago
@TheAlex7747 poor guy..
superava1982 1 year ago
Fuck you williams yes fuck ....you cover it up .
TheBedfordboyz 1 year ago
This is real!!!!
JessicaVerehrer 1 year ago
@JessicaVerehrer It's not. It's an animation...
nickie2011 1 year ago
fuck this video
guilhermecarneiro1 1 year ago
there's a italian subtitles ?
Maverick9010 1 year ago
i think 80% of the accident was due to the race restart all those laps made senna's car lower than it should by milimeters or whatever causing the car to slide at tamburello..making senna a passenger those last seconds of his great life..rip champion
joe744 1 year ago
@joe744 you're wrong: after the restart os the race senna was driving fast and normal, and one lap before the crash he even set one of the fastest lap time for the whole race.So, tires were ok by then (yes senna usually put initial lower pressure on them for departure).The direction just was not there any more and the angle of crash was the worst possible:the front tyre and suspension just went back direct into his helmet and no helmet or brain could survive that.RIP
miguelnevoeiro 1 year ago
The Wheel Bar Hits His Head!
galvai 1 year ago
It was a poorly designed corner. nuff said...
papertigers426 1 year ago
steering collum snapped and the car moved ahead on a clear movie you see he trows before impact his steer out the car with a pipe with it. They onley cover the man who design the new steering collum maybe about 50 years or sooner frank williams die or adrian newey there comes the trueth
chosthitter123 1 year ago
You are stone crazy. There is not such a movie.
LesCrapio 1 year ago
The car does step out a moment before but this reason to me doesnt explain why Senna would elect to brake in a straight line- he would have fought to stay on the track like he did in Mexico. The fact that he applied the brakes so quickly meant somethink was wrong.
billyposter 1 year ago 2
true, no damn brakes during under or oversteer at such high speed. that only makes things go way south much faster. I have race experiences to back up my say. If he countered the oversteer, he wouldn't have counter all the way into the wall. Brake probably was the only thing he had, otherwise he would have take the car side way to scrub off speed and hope to impact side way or tail first. I've watched Senna's in car cam enough and I could count 2-3 sec the front tires pointed straight b4 crash
golferchin76 1 year ago
such bulshit , this video is totaly fake.
Senna died becoz of the stuped culum wish was made of copper, it was broken and the part that was siting in the stearing culum to the box hited him and killed him . Any other thing is bulshit. Williams KILLED SENNA , thats it
aamor73 1 year ago
@aamor73 williams killed also ratzenberger there car was false but this crash is real the bottom i to low so he diddn't drive he bunch over th rack on that moment en slow down realy slow and his runway was over so BAM and he was dead its the same thing by ratzenberger
wesseldebacker 1 year ago
i neve seen in tv the camera board immagines at 0.48 0.49....for me there is all the film of the camere car but....
ttaruss 2 years ago
This constant discussion of a potential "cover-up" mystifies me. What's to cover up? If a component on the car failed, it failed. Accidents, sadly, happen.
Maybe it was Senna's fault, maybe some poor mechanic has had a few sleepless nights, but this is just a part of racing.
If it weren't for the frankly ridiculous Italian legal system - which doesn't mind Silvio B or Casa Nostra, but also doesn't realise that accidents happen - we'd never have even had the conversation.
RIP Ayrton. the best
markyhallam 2 years ago 48
such laws are to protect. In the view of the Italian legal System the modification to Senna's column was faulty as a result of negligence. I believe this is correct, had the mod been done properly, Senna would still be alive, but poor design and workmanship cost his life. why shouldnt someone be held responsible? F1 is dangerous, granted, but so is crossing the street. Why should Williams fail the duty of care to Senna and not be punished? Because the money, the power, corrupts the weak.
puzzler103 2 years ago
@markyhallam The cover-up is due to williams poorly modifying the steering column.
They would be held liable for that and would have lost lots of money and sponsors and support, maybe even causing the team to fold. The cover-up was to keep williams alive and to save franks own ass.
Whether or not you believe in the cover-up is another matter but it is obvious why they would cover it up (missing black box ring a bell?)
TheCandygod 1 year ago
@markyhallam For me not was just an "accident"..many things walks for it..did you hear about masonry? so..sorry for my english..but if i spoke better..i could explain.
Anyway..Maybe you don't know.. Italian legal sistem it's very good..the problem are the politics which go to the parliament and vote law for them..
superava1982 1 year ago
@markyhallam if u go back to that grand prix a safety car was isseud. withc in terms means cars have to slow down. temperatures drop and rubber contracts at cold. expands in heat. and u all know a millimeter or a tweak here and there saves or costs time. senna just whent to fast to prevent anything although he tried. all i know is when he hit the wal the right tire witch strikes first hits the cockpit, and maybe even his head. sad things happen. wish i coulda seen him become champion.
dogsofwarclan 1 year ago
@markyhallam If this was just part of racing why arent racing drivers dying more often?
Because the racing driver's team has the same legal duty of care to their driver that any other employer has to their employee that lives in civilised society. The "cover-up" occured when Willaims team, instead of taking responsibility and letting truth decide if they had been negligent, brought a defence that mocked the truth and those intent upon it.
puzzler103 1 year ago
@markyhallam We would all have had the conversation, because we all wanted to know what killed Senna. The cover up theory exists because Williams acted suspiciously. Their bodge it mechanics made the car dangerous!! What part of that dont you get? And the race organisers should be held accountable as Ratzenburger died on that track so the race shouldn't even have happened.....cl;early topics for conversation? No?
jonomutiny 11 months ago
@jonomutiny Yes, again we have political interference. F1 is a lot of money. F1 is very popular in Italy, as well as other countries. Poor Ratzenberger died @ the track, there's no doubt about that. The race should have been cancelled on the Saturday, but financial interests led to officials interfering and lying to make sure that the race would still go ahead.
mrtheoden 6 months ago
@markyhallam The story says the top-front part of the cockpit of the FW-14 was too narrow, so Senna's hands scrapped on the cockpit walls. He suggested a bigger steer bar. As a thing like this take time to be ready from the team fabric, mechanics made a solder using a steel bar narrower then the rest of the column. That's one of the versions. Actually, i believe it was really a race incident, caused by several factors... it was destinated to happen.
LuizSPK 10 months ago
@LuizSPK Yes there were a lot of factors at play that weekend, and the way these events interplay with Senna's accident its like you said, it was destined. However, through lies and coverup has developed a much bigger issue and questions about the sport and the people in charge than simply what caused the crash. I'd rather watch NASCAR nowadays, at least they have honesty and respect when a champion dies on the track.
puzzler103 10 months ago
@markyhallam thank you and yes RIP ayrton forever the best
xelvemagicx 9 months ago
Fake, there's no Schumacher passing Senna right after the fatal accident.
upablo1 2 years ago
EVERYONE....watch?v=ayjOW5DnwgM&feature=related
BE INFORMED NOT MISLED!
VonTripps 2 years ago
Good to hear from you VonTripps, yes that is an excellent series of videos. Something wrong with the link you put up though, try copy and paste this one:
watch?v=ayjOW5DnwgM&feature=related
puzzler103 2 years ago
I see, sorry, you have to manually remove the extra space, some YT glitch...
puzzler103 2 years ago
A comment made in 2005 by a Renault tech who was working with Williams in 1994 (can't remember his name but I saw the item in France in 2006) He exclaimed in a passing arrogant throw away manner that, "if only we had wireless back in 94 to interrogate the "black boxes" in realtime, this would've shown that the telemetry was correct and the missing data would've been saved in realtime." Everyone knows that realtime data interrogation can be erased in seconds. These techs are still running away...
VonTripps 2 years ago
How could it have been Senna's fault? Tamburello is a flat-out corner. And why wouldn't he had tried to brake or steer more before the impact if he had made a mistake?
OlympicTorino 2 years ago
God, these discussions are pathetic.Senna might have been a very good driver who had the sympathies of very many people, but he jst simply made a mistake which unfortunately resulted in a fatal accident. While driving behind the safety car, he didn't warm up his tyres, the car lacked grip,he went in the corner too quickly,chose the wrong line and his steering correction, opening the steering was not much of a help,on the contrary,but that was just a reflex coz he thought he'd stay on the track
paddy080585 2 years ago
Thanks for paraphrasing the NG doco theory for us...again. If you want to know why most people dont believe it, have a look at the YT video titled "The death of Ayrton Senna - what Natgeo did not say".
puzzler103 2 years ago
I can see we've made a lot of progress...an uphill battle.
VonTripps 2 years ago
In respect for Ayrton Senna and his memory, please include in your statement..."IN MY OPINION".
Anything short is an insult to his memory and the actual facts.
Read my previous comments.
VonTripps 2 years ago
If we want to believe the theory that the steering was ok and that the Senna lost control on the car because of the bumps on the road, then why didnot the front wheels turn when he left the track to hit the wall? i mean from 00.47 till 00.51 .
lebaneseonly 2 years ago
Im sorry and this is not being disrespectful to Senna in anyway because im a huge fan but why cant people just say he made a mistake. He went into the corner too fast he tried to correct it but had nowhere near enough time to stop himself crashing. Simple as.
JJiscool1 2 years ago
Good point, why don't we just say that and be done with it? It is simple, but I'll tell you why we shouldn't.
In our world, we as intelligent humans instinctively learn so as to better ourselves and understand why things happen as they do. It's a basic survival instinct. It's called "discovering the truth". We need to...it's what we are. It's not about conspiracy theories.
Don't you want to know the truth? I do and a lot of others as well. Forget who, find out why!
VonTripps 2 years ago
fully agree!
rafacosta2 2 years ago
the sad fact is that senna died. no one will ever know the reason for the accident. people can guess & speculate for months or years but the cause will never be known.
the only non-disputable fact is that the steering arm pierced his helmet causing almost instant death.
sad but true.
& as for him being shot. that is just silly. it wouldnt happen in real life.
fatboy69s 2 years ago
Your dad is wrong. To accommodate Senna into this car they had to adjust and re-weld some of the components in the cockpit. When he crashed, one of these components hit him full force in the head, causing him severe brain damage, and ultimately death.
Massa's crash was similar in a way, except the component came from another car. Either way, if helmet technology hadn't advanced as much as it has, we would be mourning the loss of another prodigiously talented Brazilian.
frontier219 2 years ago 2
After looking at the on-board pictures of this, you do see that the back steps out, and you see him turn the wheel, but it's the same answer as to who shot JKF?
kimigogome 2 years ago
it wasent even a big crash, but the security sucked.
malthe122 2 years ago
i read alot about this and watched interviews from drivers like hill .i still think its a steering colum failure and thats the reason for senna not to correct and try to turn the car .
91schumacher 2 years ago
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Was Senna Shot?
I have always tought this accident was strange. Senna was such a talent that I disregard any claims of driver error, even more surprising is that no attempt to correct with steering input appear. If the steering worked, then was Senna shot by someone the moment before, this would explain the huge amount of blood, and why Senna never turned the wheels. A shot/murdered driver is a story FIA will never let out. I would also look at the car/driver behind Senna, of obvious reasons.
bikerac3r 2 years ago
Show me the sniper than can hit a F1 driver at those speeds going through turns.
weaverracing96 2 years ago
you have got to be kidding me???? seriously senna shot.....lol the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard
schuey7wc 2 years ago 2
You've got to be joking. There is not one sniper in the world who could possibly shoot someone directly in the head when they are driving an F1 at those speeds.
ROONTANG 2 years ago
im not trying to offend anybody or anything like that
but instead of steering into the slide steer the opposite way and cause a spin. it wouldnt have been as hard an impact and we still might have the ledgend with us
shreiberrulz 2 years ago
i honestly dont see his wheels move when the back comes loose and with his reflexes thats impossible. I think his steering column had a fatigued weld and broke but why cover it up unless it was on purpose, shumachers camera didnt break up at all on the same corner. Theres no way you can say what killed him, hitting a concrete wall at 190 could kill you without the head injuries he sustained. Shumacher had illegal traction control as well , cheating as usual
midnightflyer70 2 years ago
The amount of actual angle in those cars needed to turn them is almost un-noticable. Look at an onboard shot of a fast corner and you can barley see the wheels change angle. That said, you would only need miliseconds of grip while turning into the slide to send it into the wall. The reason you cant see the tyres correct is becuase of the speed, he didnt try to lock the steering, he tried to correct.
Slothrop91 2 years ago
So your point is that we cant tell by looking at the video if the fronts where actually turned or not, and I agree. But we can discern that the car travels in a straight line from loss of control until impact, so it seems a logical progression that the wheels must have been pointing straight in order for the car to travel straight. People will say the car was understeering, but I have never seen an understeer of such severity and duration from a race car which is otherwise mechanically sound.
puzzler103 2 years ago
This "documentary" is bullshit, complete bullshit.
The black box data was tampered with. There was zero force on the wheel, because it broke.
The last second of video was edited out. you'd see the wheel come off entirely.
Lies and financial interests, that is what F1 has become since the early 90's.
williammueller 2 years ago
Most of these comments are an insult to Senna.
THE WHEEL DID NOT COME OFF IN HIS HANDS.
An F1 driver would not exert enough force on a steering column to break it even if it had been welded and extended as his had been.
The car was a nightmare to drive as the traction control software (which Schumacher continued to use illegally) had been banned at the start of the season.
The crash was caused by power steering failure, which was why Williams told Damon Hill to turn it off at the re-start.
ibox1 2 years ago
It wasnt a fatal crash because of the impact, but of the steeringwheel ramming his skull. RIP
DaanZPD 2 years ago
No, a piece of the suspension went straight through his helmet..
SwedeKangaroo 2 years ago 22
thats what i ment. whatever dude. my english isnt so good as it should be
DaanZPD 2 years ago
@SwedeKangaroo massa
keytek9 1 year ago
@keytek9 No, not a spring from another car like the Massa incident, but his own wishbone.
SwedeKangaroo 1 year ago
@SwedeKangaroo Well, if his steering column had not been broken, the suspension would never have come through his helmet, right?
jeroenie96 1 year ago
@jeroenie96 No, it wouldn't. But we weren't talking about the column, but the steering wheel.
Also, the steering column breaking doesn't really mean that the wishbones fall of, since with double wishbone suspension you have two wishbones attached to the chassis and then the track rod (or tie rod if you're Uhmerican) connecting the hub to the steering column.
I'd say that it's fairly well known that it was the impact that made the piece of suspension go through his helmet, not the rack itself.
SwedeKangaroo 1 year ago
@jeroenie96 The wheel and suspension wishbone would've snapped and come off with that impact and speed regardless of the reason the car hit the wall, they were designed that way. Nowadays they are "strapped" on to avoid this sort of injury and the protection around drivers has improved, they also use HANS to minimize basal skull injuries upon impacts like this. But you are right, the steering column did snap IMO.
jonomutiny 10 months ago
NOT REAL
ppatullo 2 years ago
I have seen on car camera footage from that crash, that could have been it.
redplague 2 years ago
it is a fuckin lie...
he couldnt steer anymore.
the car killed him.
Hiosho 2 years ago
Thats a fucking big crash. I knew it when I saw it.I knew. u know if u have family in motor racing. U know. 6th sense.
newromantic888 2 years ago
What a crock. Look at the on board camera of other videos, you see Senna's head come into shot as he leans left to try and get the car around the corner. The steering bloke, simple as that.
jmc31367 2 years ago
To jmc31367
EXACTLY. Notice his video starts to shimmer out SECONDS before the curve, it's almost comical how much it was tampered with, it is a bad edit job by the way, just look at schumachers camera on the same spot it's not even shaky....
The wheel came off entirely in Senna's hand, the car went straight for the wall.
williammueller 2 years ago
In my modest oppinion, Senna slides a little bit while entering into tamburello but he corrects it very fast and continue driving. I think after the las correction the sterring wheel broke due to the tremendous effort and senna becomes a passenger. You can see on the onboard camera, that the tyres were moving to the left while entering tamburello but suddenly, after the correction they refused to turn and stayed straight. What a disgussting situation to a driver.
what do you think?
IkerSenna 2 years ago
if he was able to correct it the first time why did he no longer got to correct it afterwards. it would be a very amateur mistake to even he would know to remove the brakes to get the car turning again. it just makes no sense
Gummby69 2 years ago
This video is bullshit
leonardofra80 2 years ago 4
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did he die
bkselect 2 years ago
with todays safety standards they should change Imola back to what it was
DarudeF1 2 years ago 5
Out of respect to Senna I highly doubt they will ever change the corner back to the old configuration or something similar. It was a nice flat out corner but almost every corner like this has been replaced with a chicane. New F1 is very focused on safety.
Conquerer13 2 years ago
That curved wall should have never been there to begin with../
nuser1234 2 years ago
Berger and Senna discussed a position change for the wall, but there was a river behind so at the time it couldn't be done.
Drumd0c 2 years ago