Tight but beautiful I usually carry my Asprin with me when i go to get my hair braid cause i like it a little tight but what kind of hair are you using
these braids are beautiful i am so inspired this is what i want to do after im done with school im 18 i do hair now and it soo funn for me and when i first started i wactched so many of these videos now im just as good as them ; )
its cute but way too tight...looks like her hair is gettin ripped outta her skull though. good thing i kno how to do my own now...300 is definitely a outrageous amount
Wow that's looks like her hair it too tight. She will have some hair loss. It looks good but definitely not suppose to be so tight u can't lay down. That's ridiculous. That's y I braid my own and keep folks out my head
wonderful job ladies, it is tight as hell but i learned the hard way, don't piss the lady off that is braiding your hair. its worse when they handle permed or relaxed hair, get it done when its time for a touch up
I always wanted to know the secret to how Africans makes the braids so supertight that it hurts ths scalp and some people can't even lay their head down.
i use to hate when Two people worked on my hair... yess its less time but half of my head would be looser than the other and then half of the hair would fall out before the other -____-
i went to a african shop in my hometown for the first time friday; & i loved it! last time i spent getting mircos was 18 hours! mine only took 7! & they are beautiful :)
I would like to know can u show that fold over method with the hair in slow motion or just shoot a tut of how u position the hair in the hand and which strand of the person hair goes into the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pc. hope that makes sense. i have been trying to get that method for ever.
You do a really good job and its beautiful. I braid too in colorado but not as good as you lol how much do you charge and how long does it take you with two ppl
How much do you charge to do microbraids? And how short can your hair be to get microbraids? I recently had to cut my hair because of breakage and hair loss. Some parts of my hair are as short as 1/2 inch.
@blgbr0wn3y3s My hair is very course and thick and i have had people braid all kinds of pain in my head. i have never had any hair fall out. if you relax your hair first, don't leave it in real long. the longer you leave it in the weaker your hair gets and the more it will fall out. instead. if you must get a relaxer, do the roots and only leave it int for a max of five minutes while working it into the hair after five minutes then quickly rince it out the next day get your mics done.
@blgbr0wn3y3s i've never had a problem with micro's. people tend to think that the micros pull your hair out, but that's not the case. it depends on how you care for your hair esp. if you wear it in ponylails.
@Chocolatelover123 micros make my hair grow. but they want to put a perm in my hair to soften it... XD because it calluses their finger!!!! true very true
I had my hair braided by African laddies who were superb and very quick. I loved it but couldn't keep them in long as I have blonde caucasin hair which couldn't handle the wieght of the braids. Hair braiding is an art and I respect it very much. Thanks for making the video.xxx.
@jamacia1luv u rite ouch i got it done in my hair my scalp was straight red and swole but she didnt pul out my hair i got wet and wavy anddd i lovedd itttt
Do you train others if so for how much....i have the basic of braiding which is not terrible i actually can braid. I jus want to brush up my existing skills. someone such as yourself i feel will train me well. I would make a special trip to Ohio. Text to let me know when.thanks.
ok, hmm, have you ever made friendship bracelets? The knot you use here is the basic knot you would use in making a friendship bracelet. If you go to About (the site) they have a tut for them. An illustration is in the second step. I'll message you where.
Not that Kerosene heater in the background!....lol That is a fire hazard with flamable hair! Ha ha. The braids are nice and neat though but doing them too tight could cause hair breakage.
i luv african shops they can braid soooo gud ive been gettn micros for the past 5 yrs all dun by africans i pay 150 hair included and it last me about 3 months my hair has grown alot luv it!
LOL @ the fact that you're trying to provoke a wild response with the whole "i hate african hair and i'm not black"...like, OK. I love my african tightly curled textured hair and i'm DAMN BLACK! And I don't prefer to have slippery hair that can't hold a curl.
Do me a favor, and take your non-black ass,if you happen to be a porcelain shaded Euro, or a tan "Para" latina mixed dog breed, or whatever the hell u are, and step the hell away from this AFRICAN channel! And go comb ur hair thankskbye!
I can braid great on my own hair but could you just show me the first step of spreading the hair before detaching I like your method better I hate when people do the fold Thanks!
my best friend is going to micro braid my hair...dear lord ima need some starbucks and asprin!! but my question is is how do they put curls at the ends??
When I get micros I always get straight hair but when I want to curl it I just curl it with a curling iron and also you can buy micro hair that is already curly. I do not know the name of what it may be where you live but here In Al they use Ashanti candy curl or something to that nature.
Hello please I am begging and urging and pleading how do you knot the end please do a video on that only that is my head ache please please please this looks good!!!
Thanks for the compliment, but we really don't find Sabrina as good as Express Braiding. Don't mistake us, Sabrina is good but not that good when it comes to braiding and sure she might be better doing fancy waves, but again not the true natural technique good for African hair.
@ExpressBraiding I never saw this comment and i see it has been up for a year. you guys do great work. I would Never say anything negative about your business. My braiding salon is the best and the most famous in California and i personally have been truly blessed with the God Given natural talent of Braiding. I wish all braiders and businesses success. God Bless u
@ExpressBraiding I never saw this comment and i see it has been up for a year. you guys do great work. I would Never say anything negative about your business. My braiding salon is the best and the most famous in California and i personally have been truly blessed with the God Given natural talent of Braiding. I wish all braiders and businesses success. God Bless u
Don't be scared lol...to be honest they do hurt but you I just spray oil sheen on them and it will loosen them up in about a week or so but you will love them and it does take a while to take them down and also taking out the knots that is the real headache but it is worth it....
That's a long and painful technique
1caramelbaby 1 day ago
that looks so fuckin painful
TheAlucard5789 6 days ago
Tight but beautiful I usually carry my Asprin with me when i go to get my hair braid cause i like it a little tight but what kind of hair are you using
icandysam107 1 week ago
O hw I luv micro's?Bt i dnt have the patience for them,cuz my hair is too lng.
383Danni 4 weeks ago
what type of hair was that
MzLoren21 1 month ago
these braids are beautiful i am so inspired this is what i want to do after im done with school im 18 i do hair now and it soo funn for me and when i first started i wactched so many of these videos now im just as good as them ; )
SunShineBeautiful585 1 month ago
can u do this braiding method with synthetic hair or yaki pony hair?
smartgirl1891 1 month ago
its cute but way too tight...looks like her hair is gettin ripped outta her skull though. good thing i kno how to do my own now...300 is definitely a outrageous amount
TheThikChik 1 month ago
they are braiding it way to tight holy
natural4lifemiss 1 month ago
@MzMike05 that was $300!! It was so NOT worth it. That's and outrageous amount.
spoiledmama30 1 month ago
Wow that's looks like her hair it too tight. She will have some hair loss. It looks good but definitely not suppose to be so tight u can't lay down. That's ridiculous. That's y I braid my own and keep folks out my head
spoiledmama30 1 month ago
THERE PRETTY HOW MUCH DID THEY COST
omegaharrington17 2 months ago
Dose it hurt
aREALfemale1 2 months ago
you ladies rock! good job!
dlg0120 2 months ago
wonderful job ladies, it is tight as hell but i learned the hard way, don't piss the lady off that is braiding your hair. its worse when they handle permed or relaxed hair, get it done when its time for a touch up
grandladyducesane 3 months ago in playlist MICRO BRAID VIDEOS
i would never sit down to get my hair done. it hurts, and then to pull it out gosh. it looks good though
sne19 4 months ago
she look like her head is hurting! lol
kammese 4 months ago
I always wanted to know the secret to how Africans makes the braids so supertight that it hurts ths scalp and some people can't even lay their head down.
Theonealways1 4 months ago
how lonq do it take if its one person doinq it...i do hair to nd it seems like it take me forever because i have nobody else helpin
1616chriss 4 months ago
I wish you were in London.
TheMsAbiola 4 months ago
ooooooouuuuchhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
beautiful6395 7 months ago
yea imagine someone pulling on ur hair...... bald spots like crazy
missjoaquin4now 7 months ago
yea imagine someone pulling on ur hair...... balpd spots like crazy
missjoaquin4now 7 months ago
Micro braids hurt!!! The clip they use to part your hair hurts, because they dig to hard!
deidra82able 7 months ago
The two strands of hair technique so ou usually use on the shorter parts of the hair?
Tennissgirl 8 months ago
I have micros in my hair right now
it dont hurt all that bad
lilcoconut1 8 months ago
i use to hate when Two people worked on my hair... yess its less time but half of my head would be looser than the other and then half of the hair would fall out before the other -____-
diamonds454 8 months ago
SHE PAID ABOUT $300 FOR THAT.... BUT ITS WORTH IT!
MzMike05 8 months ago
All I know is that MY ass wouldn't be doing it . . .
FuschiaMelanie 8 months ago
that must be painfull
misslildutch 8 months ago
i know that take down had to have been hell!!
crazyazzbossbish 9 months ago
i was wondering how u start the braid...how u should hold the hair nd wht not...i really need the help...
TheLaydeegail 9 months ago
I love micros.
blackbarbiie89 9 months ago
They're braiding her hair too tight.
LOOKS PAINFUL
disneycarlo 10 months ago 3
that shit hurts so bad
lbkristin 10 months ago
Well One Word,,Wow
TheBabyjames1 10 months ago
wow..the speed is amazing!
fLYmila 11 months ago
Gosh... reminds me of how much I HATE getting my hair braiding. geez. so tight and painful
Antmlover96 1 year ago 7
@Antmlover96 naw honey thatx just when the africans do it!
queendee919 3 months ago
Yes they are very good! I have my hair just like that now!!
C82604 1 year ago
how much packs did you use?
pointgyal24 1 year ago
how do u knot the end?????
realchocolate21 1 year ago
I wish them chicks moved that fast on my head the other day.
CHEVAAN29 1 year ago
wow GREAT job Ladies!
hairstylings101 1 year ago
i went to a african shop in my hometown for the first time friday; & i loved it! last time i spent getting mircos was 18 hours! mine only took 7! & they are beautiful :)
MiiSZWEEKNDLUV 1 year ago
i get box braids and my mom braids my hair.....micros look like they hurt and take your hair out!
TheLocaChica05 1 year ago
They Look Like They Hurt Soooooo Much
SuperJuicystar11 1 year ago
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SuperJuicystar11 1 year ago
i wish i had afro carriabean hair so i could do this!
hmfrx 1 year ago
@hmfrx You can get micro braids even if you're white, it's just more difficult for the braider since non-African hair tends to be slippery.
Horrhage 1 year ago
micros are so pretty but they take forever to take out so dhats y i dont really ghet dem buhh i love her hair
Tinytolittle012 1 year ago
is it human hair what brand is the human hair
neadollars4 1 year ago
im going back home to africa and getting this done but waaay smaller cant wait!
misskaneza 1 year ago
I would like to know can u show that fold over method with the hair in slow motion or just shoot a tut of how u position the hair in the hand and which strand of the person hair goes into the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pc. hope that makes sense. i have been trying to get that method for ever.
essencez1 1 year ago
You do a really good job and its beautiful. I braid too in colorado but not as good as you lol how much do you charge and how long does it take you with two ppl
mamamouse100 1 year ago
u africans no yall can braid but y yall braids take the edges out
malissaspain 1 year ago
Those braids must be paining her... They look so tight!!!!!! They look really nice though!!!!
dzpstar55 1 year ago
hope she didnt pay for that. look like a pumpkin with braids. not halloween yet!
lilcourtny08 1 year ago
How do you finish the end of it when you're done with the braid? i can't quite tell exactly what you're doing. Are you tying it into a sort of knot?
Khiwii 1 year ago
@Khiwii yep
MsOfficialAsia 1 year ago
that's pretty how u guys do it.... BUT could u guys like show more view step by step of what u r doing? b/c im kinda lost on the 1st part. thanks
YANABABEZ23 1 year ago
This Video Helped Me Alot...Thanx =]
CocoRenaeexo 1 year ago
nice...what kind of hair was that? thx..
AKIYIAKELLY 1 year ago
*want* lol
XkitkatkirstyX 1 year ago
i love the way yu guys show how yu do micros im trying to get mine tight nd net like that
celestebaby2 1 year ago
How much do you charge to do microbraids? And how short can your hair be to get microbraids? I recently had to cut my hair because of breakage and hair loss. Some parts of my hair are as short as 1/2 inch.
EZ2Praise 1 year ago
Those are Too cute
Xgurl08 1 year ago
What kind of hair are you using for that??
sexy1995ize 1 year ago
how much is for micro braids ,where are your located
cups21 1 year ago
HOW lONG dOES THiS TAkE.?
sasha2012 1 year ago
that was so cute !!! but wow those were tiny!
cinnamonrollll 1 year ago
LOVE THEMUSIC. WHO IS THAT ?
aseeyael1 1 year ago
because my hair is so course they don't even bother to knot the end of the hair.
ohio... that is very close!!! i want to move to japan, i want to know if they can do micros there...
hakudoushinumber9 1 year ago
@blgbr0wn3y3s My hair is very course and thick and i have had people braid all kinds of pain in my head. i have never had any hair fall out. if you relax your hair first, don't leave it in real long. the longer you leave it in the weaker your hair gets and the more it will fall out. instead. if you must get a relaxer, do the roots and only leave it int for a max of five minutes while working it into the hair after five minutes then quickly rince it out the next day get your mics done.
hakudoushinumber9 1 year ago
it looks very tight though
babyj127 1 year ago
she doesnt look like she's pulling the hair really really tight which is a plus (thats very professional)
babygurly07 1 year ago
@blgbr0wn3y3s i've never had a problem with micro's. people tend to think that the micros pull your hair out, but that's not the case. it depends on how you care for your hair esp. if you wear it in ponylails.
Chocolatelover123 1 year ago
@Chocolatelover123 micros make my hair grow. but they want to put a perm in my hair to soften it... XD because it calluses their finger!!!! true very true
hakudoushinumber9 1 year ago
how long did it take ?
corbin332 1 year ago
da girls face is screamin pain,nice braids tho, its less painful if u do it yoself dats if u can
max220able 1 year ago
no thank u
HealthyHairDiva 1 year ago
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bi3123 1 year ago
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bi3123 1 year ago
dat shit probably look fir but dat shit hurts just got my did today it took 14 hours from 9am to 10:32pm
blue79andtenishashow 1 year ago
@blue79andtenishashow 14 hrs..damn..how small were they and how much did ther charge you?
Chocolatelover123 1 year ago
@Chocolatelover123 same size as the girl in this video and it cost 200
blue79andtenishashow 1 year ago
I had my hair braided by African laddies who were superb and very quick. I loved it but couldn't keep them in long as I have blonde caucasin hair which couldn't handle the wieght of the braids. Hair braiding is an art and I respect it very much. Thanks for making the video.xxx.
lozabm 2 years ago 2
micros made my hair grown 4 inches
krystal1612 2 years ago
thanks for tellin me for real
aniyah72 2 years ago
im getin braids soon n i don know how many packs to use so how many packs some one please tell me???
aniyah72 2 years ago
2 packs, i wont advice you to do micros however
FudgeandCheese 2 years ago
what? will they pull my hair out or something
aniyah72 2 years ago
is this in fayetteville north carolina please beeee!!!!!!!!
BriBriMcNatt1 2 years ago
1 word ouch...
jamacia1luv 2 years ago 33
@jamacia1luv Micros don't hurt that bad unless they braid them tooo tight.
chickenhuntinattheca 1 year ago
@jamacia1luv u rite ouch i got it done in my hair my scalp was straight red and swole but she didnt pul out my hair i got wet and wavy anddd i lovedd itttt
MiZzStaR13 7 months ago
@jamacia1luv Braids can hurt like a bitch to get sometimes
ChangeTheChannelSong 6 months ago
That is sheer perfection! When will you be in California? lol
janespeaks 2 years ago 2
Do you have anyone located here in Chicago that I could get a training session with?
ExquiziteHair 2 years ago
man... the only way id get braids this small is if i was gonna shave my head after
80sbabyyy 2 years ago 3
love it...i started to fall in love with micro braids a lot this month lmfao
sstupidssmile 2 years ago
Do you train others if so for how much....i have the basic of braiding which is not terrible i actually can braid. I jus want to brush up my existing skills. someone such as yourself i feel will train me well. I would make a special trip to Ohio. Text to let me know when.thanks.
keetahboo1010 2 years ago
what is the best hair to use for hair braiding
keetahboo1010 2 years ago
10 years later.....
talkfree14 2 years ago 3
man i wish i was close so i could get my hair done........ verry neat love it
tottie32 2 years ago
And you guys never let the tradition down. It looks perfect.. it also looks like it hurt (lol) God Bless
victorinange 2 years ago
sooooooooooo neat!! beautiful
VickyVictoria79 2 years ago
respect! it's reaaly perfect!
Altroen 2 years ago
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Altroen 2 years ago
dangg. them african pple bee gettin it.
SexiestB 2 years ago 49
I'm tryin to learn how to do the knot can u give more detail on it?
trecey920 2 years ago
so cute!!
mizzrose97 2 years ago
Watching this video really makes me miss working at the African Braid salon. :(
reva0204 2 years ago
love the braids, how do u do the knot at the end? I've tried and can't get it
trecey920 2 years ago
wow i bet this takes FOREVA to take out lol
alwaysloveme86 2 years ago 2
how long does it take to make ur hair like this ?
miladbr 2 years ago
a 100 years..lol
Alisha434 2 years ago 2
does anyone know if i could micro braid my hair withough using hair extensions?
TwilightMuseLover 2 years ago
depends how long ur hair is
PRETTYCAKES27 2 years ago
well i have shoulder length hair
TwilightMuseLover 2 years ago
Yes, that is how I wear my hair...micro's with no hair added. It's cheaper and I've had it for like a month now
zainab1983 2 years ago
really? cool, but wouldn't it be hard to get out???
TwilightMuseLover 2 years ago
wow its soooo neatly done!
makeupbygloria 2 years ago
That is so pretty and neat...Great Job!
MissBenn25 2 years ago
what language is this song in?
mya32189 2 years ago
Dang, she thought she had hair.
She probably didn't have too
much left after she took them out.
Her hair is cute, but they were too tight!
cheersuperstar 2 years ago
i can braid that fast
XjvenassaX 2 years ago
They look nice but too tight. Thats how peoples edges come out. I always ask them not to braid to tight.
Tiphany757 2 years ago
whoa you braid mad fast, nice!
cocoacute 2 years ago
im getting micros next month for the first time too
HannahMontana9700 2 years ago
Im getting some for the first time. Any pointers?
meany365 2 years ago
WOW that must hav taken alot of patience n time!
alexissHYP3 2 years ago
can somebody plz tell me where can find a video that shows a thorough and close up explanation of how to do that slipknot
Genese242 2 years ago
thebraidshop or braidsbysabrina, both channels are by the same person but she has a vid showing
suganspyyce 2 years ago
oh thanks i already tried her out she explains it but u can really see it as good
Genese242 2 years ago
ok, hmm, have you ever made friendship bracelets? The knot you use here is the basic knot you would use in making a friendship bracelet. If you go to About (the site) they have a tut for them. An illustration is in the second step. I'll message you where.
suganspyyce 2 years ago
that looks so cute on her hair and it lkooks like it going to take a long tine plus its little micro braids.
91kendrick 2 years ago
"Africans" Braid SUPER TIGHT! The outcome is great though.
TaylorBoi11 2 years ago
What is the name of this song and who is the artist?
poopsygirl08 2 years ago
when do you use the dax before , and is it better to use the clip to part with ?
sassyma03 2 years ago
Not that Kerosene heater in the background!....lol That is a fire hazard with flamable hair! Ha ha. The braids are nice and neat though but doing them too tight could cause hair breakage.
BlackHairandSkinCare 2 years ago
i luv african shops they can braid soooo gud ive been gettn micros for the past 5 yrs all dun by africans i pay 150 hair included and it last me about 3 months my hair has grown alot luv it!
that23hoe 2 years ago
do you guys provide hair and if so what kind of hair is it?
classytaura09 2 years ago
human hair up to $40 value or bring your for up to $30 off
ExpressBraiding 2 years ago
@ExpressBraiding, What is the difference between individual braids and micro braids.
AhseimEtan 1 year ago
@AhseimEtan THE DIFFRENCE IS THT INDIVUAL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END MICROS STOP LIKE IN THE MIDDLE
bowwowmomobri 1 year ago
oooh, that looks so tight, my hair breaks off when braids are to tight, but i still like the style
blurawker 2 years ago
Wat u mean u dont like it IT IS LOVLEY!! Dont be haten
WildChild745 2 years ago
I really want to learn how to do this!! It's very beautiful!
lacongolia 2 years ago
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i hate african hair (im not black)
ParaGirl104 2 years ago
If u hate african hair so why the heck are you watching this video?????!! pffff
lacongolia 2 years ago 2
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Iamwaycoolerthanyou2 2 years ago
dont watch it stupid
that23hoe 2 years ago
LOL @ the fact that you're trying to provoke a wild response with the whole "i hate african hair and i'm not black"...like, OK. I love my african tightly curled textured hair and i'm DAMN BLACK! And I don't prefer to have slippery hair that can't hold a curl.
Do me a favor, and take your non-black ass,if you happen to be a porcelain shaded Euro, or a tan "Para" latina mixed dog breed, or whatever the hell u are, and step the hell away from this AFRICAN channel! And go comb ur hair thankskbye!
candyjones 2 years ago 3
I can braid great on my own hair but could you just show me the first step of spreading the hair before detaching I like your method better I hate when people do the fold Thanks!
Attenoj 2 years ago
What is Dax used for?
maati04 2 years ago
dax helps ya hair grow the green one is gud i also use the shampoo my mama got me hooked lol
that23hoe 2 years ago
my best friend is going to micro braid my hair...dear lord ima need some starbucks and asprin!! but my question is is how do they put curls at the ends??
socaliente34 2 years ago
some people take little curlers put them on the ends, let them soak in some warm water....and yea. thats how you do it
MichaelaSayWhat 2 years ago
When I get micros I always get straight hair but when I want to curl it I just curl it with a curling iron and also you can buy micro hair that is already curly. I do not know the name of what it may be where you live but here In Al they use Ashanti candy curl or something to that nature.
FUTUREDELTAKD 2 years ago
It would have been a little more helpful if they allowed the stylist to talk and lost this music. Other than that the video is of good quality.
NicheDiva 2 years ago
Hello please I am begging and urging and pleading how do you knot the end please do a video on that only that is my head ache please please please this looks good!!!
korrisha 2 years ago
This is a wonderful video. Braids By Sabrina also has a tutorial on how to knot the end of a micro braid step by step :0)
queenofweaves916 2 years ago
Thanks for the compliment, but we really don't find Sabrina as good as Express Braiding. Don't mistake us, Sabrina is good but not that good when it comes to braiding and sure she might be better doing fancy waves, but again not the true natural technique good for African hair.
ExpressBraiding 2 years ago
@ExpressBraiding I never saw this comment and i see it has been up for a year. you guys do great work. I would Never say anything negative about your business. My braiding salon is the best and the most famous in California and i personally have been truly blessed with the God Given natural talent of Braiding. I wish all braiders and businesses success. God Bless u
thebraidshop 1 year ago
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@ExpressBraiding I never saw this comment and i see it has been up for a year. you guys do great work. I would Never say anything negative about your business. My braiding salon is the best and the most famous in California and i personally have been truly blessed with the God Given natural talent of Braiding. I wish all braiders and businesses success. God Bless u
thebraidshop 1 year ago
dame that looks like it hurt i'm scared to go to the africans lolz it's gunna take a long time to take them out nd she braids mad fast
ethan12309 2 years ago
Don't be scared lol...to be honest they do hurt but you I just spray oil sheen on them and it will loosen them up in about a week or so but you will love them and it does take a while to take them down and also taking out the knots that is the real headache but it is worth it....
FUTUREDELTAKD 2 years ago
wat brand of braiding hair did she use???
luvgal3 2 years ago
i just got micros and i used milky way its a really good brand
shanny0890 2 years ago
What kind of hair is it? Like is it human hair and curly or is it straight? Because I never heard of that brand so I'm very interested.
FUTUREDELTAKD 2 years ago
braids like this aren' good for african hair!!!absolutely not! it might looks good, but it causes hair damages especially in the front area.
CocadiLoca 2 years ago 4
They look nice but dealing with it when you take it off is a nightmare..
AmandaRox93 2 years ago
OMG...that looks like it hurts but I guess it's worth it for the person getting micros to not have to really deal with the hair afterward for awhile
COJAZZ3 2 years ago
Lol..exactly that is why I get them and plus I also get them because my hair grows a lot from them. So I love them!!!!
FUTUREDELTAKD 2 years ago