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Two intellectuals? One hosts a show that needs to flood Youtube with videos because no one actually tunes into his show and the other hasn't even read the New Testament which he insults...
@0122460166 Really? TYT's don't flood youtube with their videos? You think these guys have read the bible? Listen to them! Neither one have a clue about Christianity or Catholicism.. Please.... They are foolish political hacks...
@imax1971 It doesn't take much to recognise that the new testament is absolute shit. I've read the Bible and so am privy to the immense amount of contradictions in there. Flood youtube? Flood? Don't like them, unsubscribe. Though you're right, if they had've read the bible then maybe they'd be a little more OUTRAGED at how fucked up it is.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Shermer claims to be a skeptic, but simply could not be any more status-quo. He, in fact, openly mocks and ridicules true skeptics. Propagandists LOVE Michael Shermer because his status as publisher of Skeptic Magazine allows the most brainwashed people to feel empowered in their thinking by his association with it.
He says at 0:25 that he's skeptical of conspiracy theories, then at 5:33, he suggests that Christian's opposition to abortion is a conspiracy to grow their religion. Double-think??
If you are a true skeptic then the statement "Propagandists LOVE Michael Shermer because his status as publisher of Skeptic Magazine allows the most brainwashed people to feel empowered in their thinking by his association with it." would prove your skepticism false because it is not true, regardless of the arguments for it. Be more open-minded, ask yourself if he meant all conspiracies are false? Or are some true, and some false? Considering he correctly mentioned Romania.
There is no status-quo, Skepticism is nothing more than the virtue of suspending belief till evidence confirms the suspended belief true. Skepticism itself is a broad term, and like all skeptics, Michael Shermer is human, thus makes mistakes and errors in judgment, so if you intend to be a skeptic, suspend judgment until evidence shows otherwise, and be skeptical of yourself AND others, rather than only of those that disagree with you, like most people often do.
Now I'm assuming you already know this, but for one to have an accurate perception and to truly call themselves skeptical, they must ask themselves if their beliefs are true, what evidence is there for said beliefs, and what are the other possibilities and what evidence is there for said possibilities, before passing judgment on another. The great thing about skepticism, is that it is more than a stance or a virtue, but a skill to be practiced.
I've been thinking about the purpose of life and if after we die we cease to exist, then we will not know nor will we care what we did with our lives. Unless a person can find a higher reason to do good things other than just getting a reward on the other side, then people will live selfish lives. And we see people doing this all the time. So maybe a belief in an afterlife is a good motivator for people to do good things whether or not there is one.
May I ask why a belief in an afterlife is necessary for one to do good things? I myself am a Naturalist, thus I don't believe in ANY afterlife, and I do good because good is in of itself a reward, and would even do so at my own expense and have done so, thus one could argue that if they need a belief to make doing good more rewarding than doing good itself, they aren't actually good.
@DanieltheSkeptic Well whether or not a person believes in an afterlife or not, there is a lot of evidence for one. People who have been blind or death since birth report being able to see or hear and they sometimes even have a hard time explaining this new sense that they have. And people who are supposed to be totally unconscious during surgery when they have a complication or an allergic reaction to the anesthetic can give accurate information about what was happening at the time.
The evidence would have to be FAR more accurate than personal testimony, or anecdotal evidence due to the usually inaccurate statements of people, as they often remember the hits and forget the misses, and what they hallucinate and feel is often dictated by what they already believe, typically one who believes in reincarnation would have a different experience than one who believes in heaven.
Also, I believe I asked why is belief in an afterlife necessary for one to be good? If a person only does good because of belief in an afterlife, then they aren't sincerely good, they don't do it for goodness' sake but rather because of a reward, whether it be immortality gifted by God or Heaven, or seeing one's loved ones again, if one needs such extravagant motivation like the belief in life eternal after death to do good, then they aren't really good.
@DanieltheSkeptic Well some people need that motivation because otherwise, they will live for the moment and just do whatever feels good. And a lot of people do this. They would rather spend all of their money on alcohol than sponsoring a child (The average person in my province spends $700.00 a year on alcohol. If only they would spend their money on wiping out world hunger.). These people don't think about what will happen to them after death and live for selfish pleasure.
Except most people in the world already believe what you do. There has never been a time in history in which the majority of the people did not believe in some sort of God. So every time in history had religion as a major cultural force.
@DanieltheSkeptic I just heard today that Richard Dawkins admitted that there is very strong evidence for the existence of God when he lost a debate to some Christian guy. And I hear that a lot of atheists are now converting to Christianity. Not that evangelical fundamentalist Christianity is the way to go but maybe some skeptics are not as skeptical as they would have us believe.
That's a lie. His main site: richarddawkinsdotnet makes no mention in its news feed of Richard having a debate recently and abandoning his education by being convinced by words alone of something he strongly believes to be false. Even if he did convert, most Atheists would simply be saddened that Richard lost his intellectual capacity. You do know I'm fact checking what you say right? Why bother telling me this unless you are attempting to deceive me into abandoning my stance?
@DanieltheSkeptic Well if he lost a debate, he is not going to tell his followers about it. Look up Shock Of God. He was the one who told us about this in his video.
Shock of God is a bigot and a liar. So you are just taking his word for it? Just like that? No fact checking whatsoever? None? Shock of God is not a good person to trust in terms of his views on those he opposes. Richard Dawkins has been more intellectually honest then most of his opponents in debates. You are saying that if he converts, no one will know about it, but somehow Shock of God knows. Because this is the internet. You tell one side, every side knows.
@LifeIsABigPuzzle I don't see how it is possible for Richard Dawkins to have "lost a debate", unless some sort of new information has been brought to the table that contradicts basically all science that has been conducted for the last 150 years. If you are talking about his recent interview Alister Mcgrath, Dawkins absolutely mopped the floor with him. I'm not sure what acedotal story you have heard about Dawkins and others abandoning their atheism, but you had better check your facts.
@Skelton1986 Shock Of God made a video saying that is what happened. But maybe he was lying. Anyways, I was thinking about computer viruses and how Atheists, Muslims, and other skeptical and evil religions and belief systems would encourage or permit a person to make computer viruses. Christians might make computer viruses too but hopefully not ones to steal people's personal information. Allah will reward Muslims who harm infidels and there is no accountability for atheists.
Your name and comments are puzzling...OK, I am just kidding. It is very clear you simple don't KNOW what you are talking about. Muslims are just more adherent to ORIGINAL scriptural VIRUS...
Mark 7:9-10
And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, “Honor your father and your mother, and, anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.” Also in Exodus 21:17; Lev. 20:9
That's not evidence, people being unable to explain experiences doesn't constitute evidence of anything other then their own ignorance. There is no evidence of an afterlife, as even Near Death Experiences are explanable through natural means. For it to be evidence, one would first have to consider all the possibilities and see which one is the most likely and see if REAL evidence supports it. Personal testimony isn't evidence either, as it is based solely on their words.
Even if they had hallucinatory illusions of an afterlife, it would not be evidence. The temporal lobe of the brain is capable of stimulating an experience very similar with religious experiences, often feeling a presence, and even feeling the heat of fire even with no fire around, it is an experiment done by Dr. Michael Persinger who had a magnetic field stimulate the temporal lobe of the brain using what he called the "God Helmet".
I won't be convinced even if I DO have one because I know what causes them, decreased oxygen to the brain to near death levels. The out of body experiences happen in extreme cases of anxiety and can be a case of hallucinations. People who think they are proof of an afterlife are ignorant of the causes of NDE. And EVEN IF I didn't know what causes them, I would suspend my judgment because I wouldn't know why I had one, and thus I won't make up an explanation.
My point? If you don't know something, and I mean you have no tangible proof that eliminates all other possibilities for it to be knowledge instead of belief, then that in no way constitutes proof of anything other than you don't know. For example. If I saw a person spontaneously regenerate his limbs, would it be right to say it was god? Or would it be better to admit ignorance and leave it at that?
@DanieltheSkeptic This is not skepticism, this is willful ignorance... an argument AGAINST thinking... like Nietzsche; "If there were God, how could I bear to be no God? Consequently there is no God." "If the Universe had a beginning, we did not observe it, therefore it did not begin." all theory starts with hypothesis... just how it works...
Skepticism is a broad term and typically means to suspend belief till one sees for themselves. I couldn't understand what you said due to grammatical errors, but if you mean to say that if we did not see something it did not happen, then that's false. Reality is independent of our existence. Willful ignorance would be to intentionall ignore information. What I said is that if you do not know something then making up an explanation is pointless. God is one such example.
@DanieltheSkeptic Yes, what I am saying is your statement "Spontaneous limbs ect." seems to be saying "I have no idea, and I dont intend on finding out, or even stating a hypothesis." So the problem is, using so called "facts" to explain the "unexplainable" which is only unexplainable do to being constrained by certain "facts"... So making up and explanation, and testing it, is how all discoveries are made
@DanieltheSkeptic Your assumtion that reality is indenpendant of existence, is not a fact you understand...This is called materialism/positivism...Saying that reality is independant of our existence, is unproveable dogma, that is nessecary to support a mechanical view of reality.
It is a question of methods. See, all that comes out of science news, give me more proof of God. All attempts to undermine my knowledge give me proof. All arguments strengthen mine.
@DanieltheSkeptic I highly suggest that you meditate. Meditate means removing all your beleifs, thoughts ect. It means reducing your brain activity, to that of an infant, and then re-learning everything. Consequently, this allows your mind great flexibility and creativity... One who meditates can be a scientist, but a scientist cannot meditate, as meditation requires that you stop playing "The Scientist".. check this.. watch?v=-YQArPuu7Mc
@DanieltheSkeptic Very good point! If you read books by Patanjali, others, and if you really study this stuff, you find that there is a big deal made about "not seeking the fruits of ones actions", Not to feel proud or ashamed. To do things without selfish intent(materially or emotionally). Doing it because you understand thats what needs to happen... The idea is, if one behaves acausaly, without cause, one takes on the properties of acausal sub-particles, and can transcend time/space/walls
@Ricardius1710 I suggest you start doing some reading on the cutting edge shit comming out of the lab...it doesn't make sense unless you throw out 99.99% of the "facts" you call "truth"...
"The resistance to a new theory is directly corellated to the amout of re-writing that will have to be done if such a theory is accepted."
Perhaps they contradict, because they are a method for elightenment?
Most skeptics are idiots. They're just too stupid/lazy to do any observing/reasearching/living...Theyd rather just doubt everything...There are no "holocaust skeptics" are there? Only holocaust deniers....
I like what he says about creating a cult...A. Hitler deliberately stayed out of the spotlight at the start, so others would follow Nazism, and not just some dude with a little moustache.
@jackrowet1234 You don't know what you're talking about and you're making gross generalisations. Do you anything about Shermer, at all? No.
"There are no "holocaust skeptics" are there? Only holocaust deniers..."
Do you even know the distinction between a sceptic and a denier? No. You don't. Your entire donation to this section of the comments amounted to a brain fart in text. #FAIL
@UnitedKingdomify Oh I do, I do... I just think its hilarious theses guys calling themselves "skeptics" as though they're mind has yet to be made up, when in fact his "truth" is already cut and dried. Its also funny how they try to pass off smugness as confidence, when in fact they're pissing themselves with insecurity... you can watch Shermer (squirmer) and Dawkins squirm when they are faced with someone asking THEM questions...usually it ends in refusal to answer the question.
@Ricardius1710 Think a bit more abstractly and you should be able to understand that "faith" is not exclusive to religion. Some Atheists accept Shermer as an authority. What is this based on if not faith? From your comments you seem to have studied the Christian Bible. You show no evidence of Talmudic training. My point is that people should be more skeptical, not less, including skeptical towards secular myths and beliefs and interpretations of the Bible ignorant of the Jewish tradition.
Interesting that he is skeptical that Moses existed but not that Jesus existed. Yet the evidence he presents is nothing more than some hearsay from 2000 years ago. He is skeptical of things that it is politically correct to be skeptical of, but he is surprisingly accepting of flimsy evidence for things that it is less acceptable in our society to question. I am skeptical of his claim of being skeptical. A true skeptic questions what is unusual to question not just what is typically questioned.
@voncello Do a little research on Shermer. For most of his adult life he was a born again Christan and believed wholehearted in the very nuttiness he now debunks. His background is in psychology (which is my background as well), one of the "softest" of the sciences. To me, he's a popularizer and self promoter but definitively not a scientist (he derives his income from writing popular books and publishing mag). He's never spent any time in a lab. He also seems to appeal to young white males
@ritter89 Glad you pointed this out. It's amazing how so many people follow him as if he were a religious figure. That's the point of my book, Beyond Faith. That faith is not exclusive to religion. Many people of secular beliefs also seem to need idols to worship.
I love Micheal Shermer and like his views on religion just like TYT, however it's interesting he has conservative economic ideas unlike the socialist leanings of TYT. eg. talking about evolutionary economics, economies thrive without to many rules from the top. I wonder if TYT picked up on that being absolute liberals, I notice they didn't address it but went after the unequal distribution psychology experiment.
I find it comic and tragic that this video was preceeded by an advertising video for Ekenar with a logo about loving god. All believers may not be stupid or sheep, but all belief relies on advertising, marketing and propaganda to propogate itself. Belief is a virus, and we humans may be evolutionarilly adapted to be particularly vulnerable to it, sad to say.
there was a moses that lived because my family tree tracks back down to that and that is using one of my relitives y choromsones and it is related to moses brother and it has been proven with science
Religion establishes cultural identity, it controls how mating and reproduction is conducted, it determines how you conduct relations with other people, it determines appropriate behavior, and it validates the maltreatment/destruction of nonmembers. It has something to say about every aspect of human conduct. Now, I call that control, and to those who can't understand this, I suppose your religion is getting in the way.
@blazereef Well, then, you should be skeptical of Shermer's skepticism. Throughout much of his adult life, Shermer was a rabid born again Christian who believed in a literal translation of the bible and therefore a literal Jonah and the whale. I take Shermer and his ilk with a large grain of salt. He merely exchanged one obsession for another and talks more like a politician than a scientist (which he's not).
@ritter89 Agreed, and the fact it, Jews never took the whale story literally. As for Noah, many Jews interpret that Noah took two of each animal that he owned, not two of every species on the planet! Schermer seems to be ignorant of the standard Jewish interpretations of the Jewish Bible. That could be due to his born again background, or maybe he plays ignorant to boost his sales.
@BaalRules And secular governments don't do similar things? Perhaps your "secular religion" is getting in the way. Or perhaps there are valid points that can be made irrespective of whether or not one is religious.
For those interested in seeing Shermer having his ass handed to him by the brilliant and far more "Bright" Stephen C. Meyer, check out my profile. Once you see the intellectual beatdown Meyer gives him you'll never look at Shermer the same again.
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Shermer has discredited himself repeatedly. He even said, "former vice president Al Gore delivered the single finest summation of the evidence for global warming I have ever heard, based on the recent documentary film about his work in this area, An Inconvenient Truth. The striking before-and-after photographs showing the disappearance of glaciers around the world shocked me out of my doubting stance."
Great interview. Irrationality goes beyond religion. Communists were atheists but are very irrational. Bill maher is an atheist but holds several irrational views.
Or non-flexible guidelines if that's preferred :-)
I find it funny too, that Catholics have (basically) the same bible as other Christians ... they've just adopted a more lenient view on the whole idol-worshiping i.e. the appointment
of scores of saints and what have you, thereby moving the actual god at least one step away .. which is BAD as far as I remember ;)
@campasini Science is another form of control. As long as these institutions are led by men, 'control' will be an inevitable fact. Think for yourself instead.
@classicvox How can Science be another form of control when it requires evidence for claims and not opinions from some human? We've always been under control until Science stepped in and demanded real evidence.
@campasini a bold statement. you have proof there is no God? or you just beleive there is no God? you stated that like a fact. stating your beliefs as facts, you're no better than the pope
@masonhosey to me it is a fact, to me it makes no sense that there is any kind of magical being in the sky. the burden of proof is not proving something does not exist but that something does.
@campasini I'm not trying to PROVE either way. You're scientific process is flawed, somewhat. Just because you can't observe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Would you have given up on blackholes back when they were impossible to prove? I'll admit that the existence of God seems forever impossible to observe, but I'm just thankful how lucky we are on this planet, in this universe, so I chose to thank the process, whether its intelligently designed or not. I'm not a bible believer though.
@campasini How are you being a sceptic by claiming there is no god? It's the same as claiming that there IS a god, you can't prove either. I'm a sceptic so i don't believe there is god OR that there isn't god, because the lack of evidence for either claim.
@amirasinen i didnt say i was a sKeptic, but i dont see anyway what so ever that there is a magical being in the sky i dont need anything to disprove that but my rational thinking...
@campasini yeah, rational thinking is the only fruitful way of thinking. religion really is control!
here's some thoughts for your amusement :)
"If there were no god, it would've been necessary to invent him." -Voltaire
"God is dead. And we have killed him!" -Nietzche
“I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it” -Einstein
and finally: "All great intellectuals are sceptic." -Nietzche
@amirasinen So predictable, Im sure most of your reading is that of Voltaire, Nietzche, and lemme guess... Machiavelli... typical "tough guy atheist" literature hahaha. Rational thinking is inherently ignorant; ignoring the senses, instead inventing theories (causality) that work most of the time (and pretending they work all the time).
When the mind is a rest, truth is obtained not by evidence or inference, but by direct perception.
@campasini Atheism is a form of intellectual apathy, and leads to intellectual enslavement, smugness masquerading as confidence, and an antagonistic, arrogant attitude that keeps you from getting laid.... not very healthy...
@campasini Yea well there's plain, shallow fucking, i.e "this feels good because it furthers my species"... then there's some of us who get a bit more out of it/each other.
TYT you should have that guy on again, like for an hour or something. That was a fascinating interview. I can't say I agreed with him 100 percent on a few things but those were interesting topics.
could you imagine that? and what stories and points would they develop through their conversation....
it's amazing enough to watch two men, cenk and michael in the same video, ah, what a pleasure for any even half thinking brain.
I can't help but wondering, where would human race be now, if we didn't have to, throughout the history, today and tomorrow, constantly struggle with hordes of nonthinkers dragging us down back to ignorance.
I can see labeling Paul as a cult leader - but Jesus? Why would you judge Jesus based on how popular he was, or compare him to murderers? Jesus was against cultism and classism and violence. If he were to show up today, he would be crucified by religious leaders, again.
I would disagree on the Jesus issue. The most distinctive characteristics about Jesus would probably be that he was the son of god, he healed the sick, and rose to heaven after death. There is no evidence to support these claims, so this person most probably didn't exist.
In the same way as Chewbacca doesn't exist, although there are probably lots of really hairy, long and loud people that do exist in the world.
So calling this potential preacher that existed Jesus is just misleading.
i dont think so. jesus and chewbacca are both real to the same extent and we can talk about both of them.
there may have been a jesus, but his life has been so mythologized that our idea of him bears no resemblance to the actual person. so, yes, the jesus of our popular conception is fictional.
but we can still talk about him. and chewbacca. he's a character, not a big deal.
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MrJoshuaCopeland 1 day ago
Two intellectuals? One hosts a show that needs to flood Youtube with videos because no one actually tunes into his show and the other hasn't even read the New Testament which he insults...
imax1971 2 months ago
@imax1971 Yeah, you clearly don't know shit...
0122460166 2 months ago
@0122460166 Really? TYT's don't flood youtube with their videos? You think these guys have read the bible? Listen to them! Neither one have a clue about Christianity or Catholicism.. Please.... They are foolish political hacks...
imax1971 2 months ago
@imax1971 It doesn't take much to recognise that the new testament is absolute shit. I've read the Bible and so am privy to the immense amount of contradictions in there. Flood youtube? Flood? Don't like them, unsubscribe. Though you're right, if they had've read the bible then maybe they'd be a little more OUTRAGED at how fucked up it is.
MrRedspark51 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@MrRedspark51 What's "absolute sh-t" about the New Testament?
imax1971 1 month ago
Micheal Shermer is one of the most likeable skeptics
Skepticalnature 2 months ago
Have these Turks ever made fun of the Muslim faith?
yak6ex 3 months ago
@yak6ex Yes they have. It's the same bullshit anyway.
0122460166 2 months ago
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
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@lightandbeautiful Fuck off, you ignorant moron.
Drgamedood 4 months ago
Michael Shermer is skeptical, thoughtful, tolerant, soft-spoken, humble, and charming. A good role model if there ever was one!
icarus313 7 months ago
Shermer claims to be a skeptic, but simply could not be any more status-quo. He, in fact, openly mocks and ridicules true skeptics. Propagandists LOVE Michael Shermer because his status as publisher of Skeptic Magazine allows the most brainwashed people to feel empowered in their thinking by his association with it.
He says at 0:25 that he's skeptical of conspiracy theories, then at 5:33, he suggests that Christian's opposition to abortion is a conspiracy to grow their religion. Double-think??
ResistDeception 9 months ago
@ResistDeception
If you are a true skeptic then the statement "Propagandists LOVE Michael Shermer because his status as publisher of Skeptic Magazine allows the most brainwashed people to feel empowered in their thinking by his association with it." would prove your skepticism false because it is not true, regardless of the arguments for it. Be more open-minded, ask yourself if he meant all conspiracies are false? Or are some true, and some false? Considering he correctly mentioned Romania.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@ResistDeception
There is no status-quo, Skepticism is nothing more than the virtue of suspending belief till evidence confirms the suspended belief true. Skepticism itself is a broad term, and like all skeptics, Michael Shermer is human, thus makes mistakes and errors in judgment, so if you intend to be a skeptic, suspend judgment until evidence shows otherwise, and be skeptical of yourself AND others, rather than only of those that disagree with you, like most people often do.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@ResistDeception
Now I'm assuming you already know this, but for one to have an accurate perception and to truly call themselves skeptical, they must ask themselves if their beliefs are true, what evidence is there for said beliefs, and what are the other possibilities and what evidence is there for said possibilities, before passing judgment on another. The great thing about skepticism, is that it is more than a stance or a virtue, but a skill to be practiced.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
I've been thinking about the purpose of life and if after we die we cease to exist, then we will not know nor will we care what we did with our lives. Unless a person can find a higher reason to do good things other than just getting a reward on the other side, then people will live selfish lives. And we see people doing this all the time. So maybe a belief in an afterlife is a good motivator for people to do good things whether or not there is one.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
May I ask why a belief in an afterlife is necessary for one to do good things? I myself am a Naturalist, thus I don't believe in ANY afterlife, and I do good because good is in of itself a reward, and would even do so at my own expense and have done so, thus one could argue that if they need a belief to make doing good more rewarding than doing good itself, they aren't actually good.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Well whether or not a person believes in an afterlife or not, there is a lot of evidence for one. People who have been blind or death since birth report being able to see or hear and they sometimes even have a hard time explaining this new sense that they have. And people who are supposed to be totally unconscious during surgery when they have a complication or an allergic reaction to the anesthetic can give accurate information about what was happening at the time.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle I meant blind or deaf! (*)
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
The evidence would have to be FAR more accurate than personal testimony, or anecdotal evidence due to the usually inaccurate statements of people, as they often remember the hits and forget the misses, and what they hallucinate and feel is often dictated by what they already believe, typically one who believes in reincarnation would have a different experience than one who believes in heaven.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
Also, I believe I asked why is belief in an afterlife necessary for one to be good? If a person only does good because of belief in an afterlife, then they aren't sincerely good, they don't do it for goodness' sake but rather because of a reward, whether it be immortality gifted by God or Heaven, or seeing one's loved ones again, if one needs such extravagant motivation like the belief in life eternal after death to do good, then they aren't really good.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Well some people need that motivation because otherwise, they will live for the moment and just do whatever feels good. And a lot of people do this. They would rather spend all of their money on alcohol than sponsoring a child (The average person in my province spends $700.00 a year on alcohol. If only they would spend their money on wiping out world hunger.). These people don't think about what will happen to them after death and live for selfish pleasure.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
Except most people in the world already believe what you do. There has never been a time in history in which the majority of the people did not believe in some sort of God. So every time in history had religion as a major cultural force.
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic I just heard today that Richard Dawkins admitted that there is very strong evidence for the existence of God when he lost a debate to some Christian guy. And I hear that a lot of atheists are now converting to Christianity. Not that evangelical fundamentalist Christianity is the way to go but maybe some skeptics are not as skeptical as they would have us believe.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
That's a lie. His main site: richarddawkinsdotnet makes no mention in its news feed of Richard having a debate recently and abandoning his education by being convinced by words alone of something he strongly believes to be false. Even if he did convert, most Atheists would simply be saddened that Richard lost his intellectual capacity. You do know I'm fact checking what you say right? Why bother telling me this unless you are attempting to deceive me into abandoning my stance?
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Well if he lost a debate, he is not going to tell his followers about it. Look up Shock Of God. He was the one who told us about this in his video.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
Shock of God is a bigot and a liar. So you are just taking his word for it? Just like that? No fact checking whatsoever? None? Shock of God is not a good person to trust in terms of his views on those he opposes. Richard Dawkins has been more intellectually honest then most of his opponents in debates. You are saying that if he converts, no one will know about it, but somehow Shock of God knows. Because this is the internet. You tell one side, every side knows.
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle I don't see how it is possible for Richard Dawkins to have "lost a debate", unless some sort of new information has been brought to the table that contradicts basically all science that has been conducted for the last 150 years. If you are talking about his recent interview Alister Mcgrath, Dawkins absolutely mopped the floor with him. I'm not sure what acedotal story you have heard about Dawkins and others abandoning their atheism, but you had better check your facts.
Skelton1986 8 months ago
@Skelton1986 Shock Of God made a video saying that is what happened. But maybe he was lying. Anyways, I was thinking about computer viruses and how Atheists, Muslims, and other skeptical and evil religions and belief systems would encourage or permit a person to make computer viruses. Christians might make computer viruses too but hopefully not ones to steal people's personal information. Allah will reward Muslims who harm infidels and there is no accountability for atheists.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
Your name and comments are puzzling...OK, I am just kidding. It is very clear you simple don't KNOW what you are talking about. Muslims are just more adherent to ORIGINAL scriptural VIRUS...
Mark 7:9-10
And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, “Honor your father and your mother, and, anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.” Also in Exodus 21:17; Lev. 20:9
DeconversionCentral 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
That's not evidence, people being unable to explain experiences doesn't constitute evidence of anything other then their own ignorance. There is no evidence of an afterlife, as even Near Death Experiences are explanable through natural means. For it to be evidence, one would first have to consider all the possibilities and see which one is the most likely and see if REAL evidence supports it. Personal testimony isn't evidence either, as it is based solely on their words.
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Read "Evidence Of The Afterlife" by Jeffrey Long and Paul Perry. Read other similar books. There is a lot of evidence.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
Even if they had hallucinatory illusions of an afterlife, it would not be evidence. The temporal lobe of the brain is capable of stimulating an experience very similar with religious experiences, often feeling a presence, and even feeling the heat of fire even with no fire around, it is an experiment done by Dr. Michael Persinger who had a magnetic field stimulate the temporal lobe of the brain using what he called the "God Helmet".
DanieltheSkeptic 9 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Well in the end, you might not be convinced until you actually have an NDE.
LifeIsABigPuzzle 9 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
I won't be convinced even if I DO have one because I know what causes them, decreased oxygen to the brain to near death levels. The out of body experiences happen in extreme cases of anxiety and can be a case of hallucinations. People who think they are proof of an afterlife are ignorant of the causes of NDE. And EVEN IF I didn't know what causes them, I would suspend my judgment because I wouldn't know why I had one, and thus I won't make up an explanation.
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@LifeIsABigPuzzle
My point? If you don't know something, and I mean you have no tangible proof that eliminates all other possibilities for it to be knowledge instead of belief, then that in no way constitutes proof of anything other than you don't know. For example. If I saw a person spontaneously regenerate his limbs, would it be right to say it was god? Or would it be better to admit ignorance and leave it at that?
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic This is not skepticism, this is willful ignorance... an argument AGAINST thinking... like Nietzsche; "If there were God, how could I bear to be no God? Consequently there is no God." "If the Universe had a beginning, we did not observe it, therefore it did not begin." all theory starts with hypothesis... just how it works...
jackrowet1234 8 months ago
@jackrowet1234
Skepticism is a broad term and typically means to suspend belief till one sees for themselves. I couldn't understand what you said due to grammatical errors, but if you mean to say that if we did not see something it did not happen, then that's false. Reality is independent of our existence. Willful ignorance would be to intentionall ignore information. What I said is that if you do not know something then making up an explanation is pointless. God is one such example.
DanieltheSkeptic 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Yes, what I am saying is your statement "Spontaneous limbs ect." seems to be saying "I have no idea, and I dont intend on finding out, or even stating a hypothesis." So the problem is, using so called "facts" to explain the "unexplainable" which is only unexplainable do to being constrained by certain "facts"... So making up and explanation, and testing it, is how all discoveries are made
jackrowet1234 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Your assumtion that reality is indenpendant of existence, is not a fact you understand...This is called materialism/positivism...Saying that reality is independant of our existence, is unproveable dogma, that is nessecary to support a mechanical view of reality.
It is a question of methods. See, all that comes out of science news, give me more proof of God. All attempts to undermine my knowledge give me proof. All arguments strengthen mine.
jackrowet1234 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic I highly suggest that you meditate. Meditate means removing all your beleifs, thoughts ect. It means reducing your brain activity, to that of an infant, and then re-learning everything. Consequently, this allows your mind great flexibility and creativity... One who meditates can be a scientist, but a scientist cannot meditate, as meditation requires that you stop playing "The Scientist".. check this.. watch?v=-YQArPuu7Mc
jackrowet1234 8 months ago
@DanieltheSkeptic Very good point! If you read books by Patanjali, others, and if you really study this stuff, you find that there is a big deal made about "not seeking the fruits of ones actions", Not to feel proud or ashamed. To do things without selfish intent(materially or emotionally). Doing it because you understand thats what needs to happen... The idea is, if one behaves acausaly, without cause, one takes on the properties of acausal sub-particles, and can transcend time/space/walls
jackrowet1234 8 months ago
More interviews like this please TYT.
Yaarrr 9 months ago
This guy is really good! He is picking up where Carl Sagan left off. Fighting the good fight!
AlexChandler100 1 year ago
@AlexChandler100 if you like shermer u will also like neil de grasse tyson..he is an astrophysicist
Serpico261 11 months ago
@Ricardius1710 I suggest you start doing some reading on the cutting edge shit comming out of the lab...it doesn't make sense unless you throw out 99.99% of the "facts" you call "truth"...
"The resistance to a new theory is directly corellated to the amout of re-writing that will have to be done if such a theory is accepted."
Perhaps they contradict, because they are a method for elightenment?
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
Most skeptics are idiots. They're just too stupid/lazy to do any observing/reasearching/living...Theyd rather just doubt everything...There are no "holocaust skeptics" are there? Only holocaust deniers....
I like what he says about creating a cult...A. Hitler deliberately stayed out of the spotlight at the start, so others would follow Nazism, and not just some dude with a little moustache.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@jackrowet1234 You don't know what you're talking about and you're making gross generalisations. Do you anything about Shermer, at all? No.
"There are no "holocaust skeptics" are there? Only holocaust deniers..."
Do you even know the distinction between a sceptic and a denier? No. You don't. Your entire donation to this section of the comments amounted to a brain fart in text. #FAIL
UnitedKingdomify 1 year ago 2
@UnitedKingdomify Oh I do, I do... I just think its hilarious theses guys calling themselves "skeptics" as though they're mind has yet to be made up, when in fact his "truth" is already cut and dried. Its also funny how they try to pass off smugness as confidence, when in fact they're pissing themselves with insecurity... you can watch Shermer (squirmer) and Dawkins squirm when they are faced with someone asking THEM questions...usually it ends in refusal to answer the question.
jackrowet1234 1 year ago
@Ricardius1710 Think a bit more abstractly and you should be able to understand that "faith" is not exclusive to religion. Some Atheists accept Shermer as an authority. What is this based on if not faith? From your comments you seem to have studied the Christian Bible. You show no evidence of Talmudic training. My point is that people should be more skeptical, not less, including skeptical towards secular myths and beliefs and interpretations of the Bible ignorant of the Jewish tradition.
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head909 1 year ago
Interesting that he is skeptical that Moses existed but not that Jesus existed. Yet the evidence he presents is nothing more than some hearsay from 2000 years ago. He is skeptical of things that it is politically correct to be skeptical of, but he is surprisingly accepting of flimsy evidence for things that it is less acceptable in our society to question. I am skeptical of his claim of being skeptical. A true skeptic questions what is unusual to question not just what is typically questioned.
voncello 1 year ago
@voncello Do a little research on Shermer. For most of his adult life he was a born again Christan and believed wholehearted in the very nuttiness he now debunks. His background is in psychology (which is my background as well), one of the "softest" of the sciences. To me, he's a popularizer and self promoter but definitively not a scientist (he derives his income from writing popular books and publishing mag). He's never spent any time in a lab. He also seems to appeal to young white males
ritter89 1 year ago
@ritter89 Glad you pointed this out. It's amazing how so many people follow him as if he were a religious figure. That's the point of my book, Beyond Faith. That faith is not exclusive to religion. Many people of secular beliefs also seem to need idols to worship.
voncello 1 year ago
I love Micheal Shermer and like his views on religion just like TYT, however it's interesting he has conservative economic ideas unlike the socialist leanings of TYT. eg. talking about evolutionary economics, economies thrive without to many rules from the top. I wonder if TYT picked up on that being absolute liberals, I notice they didn't address it but went after the unequal distribution psychology experiment.
wildcatjdh 1 year ago
A thousand pranksters throwing hubcaps in the air. Talk about misguided beliefs.
Stackpot 1 year ago
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WickedJargon 1 year ago
I find it comic and tragic that this video was preceeded by an advertising video for Ekenar with a logo about loving god. All believers may not be stupid or sheep, but all belief relies on advertising, marketing and propaganda to propogate itself. Belief is a virus, and we humans may be evolutionarilly adapted to be particularly vulnerable to it, sad to say.
login667 1 year ago
there was a moses that lived because my family tree tracks back down to that and that is using one of my relitives y choromsones and it is related to moses brother and it has been proven with science
kazooga1234 1 year ago
ekankar 1-800-love-god lol
blazereef 1 year ago
Michael Shermer is skeptical of everything. . .Except Science!!!!!!
1776bricks 1 year ago
Religion establishes cultural identity, it controls how mating and reproduction is conducted, it determines how you conduct relations with other people, it determines appropriate behavior, and it validates the maltreatment/destruction of nonmembers. It has something to say about every aspect of human conduct. Now, I call that control, and to those who can't understand this, I suppose your religion is getting in the way.
BaalRules 1 year ago
@BaalRules everything in religion is bullshit, it saddens me that adults can be so stupid to beleive jonah and the whale or noahs ark
blazereef 1 year ago
@blazereef Well, then, you should be skeptical of Shermer's skepticism. Throughout much of his adult life, Shermer was a rabid born again Christian who believed in a literal translation of the bible and therefore a literal Jonah and the whale. I take Shermer and his ilk with a large grain of salt. He merely exchanged one obsession for another and talks more like a politician than a scientist (which he's not).
ritter89 1 year ago
@ritter89 Agreed, and the fact it, Jews never took the whale story literally. As for Noah, many Jews interpret that Noah took two of each animal that he owned, not two of every species on the planet! Schermer seems to be ignorant of the standard Jewish interpretations of the Jewish Bible. That could be due to his born again background, or maybe he plays ignorant to boost his sales.
voncello 1 year ago
@BaalRules And secular governments don't do similar things? Perhaps your "secular religion" is getting in the way. Or perhaps there are valid points that can be made irrespective of whether or not one is religious.
voncello 1 year ago
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PsychProfessor 1 year ago
@PsychProfessor Why'd you remove your comment?
voncello 1 year ago
Hey Youtube!. WTF was that ad at the beginning of this video? Irony anyone?
dangerics 1 year ago 2
@dangerics i know what the heck?
CheekyVimto08 1 year ago
@dangerics - Seriously, I was confused at first.
EvertonFooty 1 year ago
Have i been blocked
classicvox 1 year ago
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signatureinthecell 1 year ago
hihihi i msged anna on fb to get this guy one, a week later this interview happened :)
restlys 2 years ago
Google Does Account. Mind-blowing Stuff.
Phatcass 2 years ago
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Shermer has discredited himself repeatedly. He even said, "former vice president Al Gore delivered the single finest summation of the evidence for global warming I have ever heard, based on the recent documentary film about his work in this area, An Inconvenient Truth. The striking before-and-after photographs showing the disappearance of glaciers around the world shocked me out of my doubting stance."
RussianPunch 2 years ago
I like Michael Shermer. He is very respectful and a friendly guy who knows what he is takling about.
fetusjuice 2 years ago 11
@fetusjuice spoken like a true follower. Shermer is good entertainment.
classicvox 1 year ago
Great interview. Irrationality goes beyond religion. Communists were atheists but are very irrational. Bill maher is an atheist but holds several irrational views.
Ramshobraja 2 years ago
well said.
great debate is multiple minds thinking as one .
great debate is thinking in concert.
who said these things?
Paradoxical003 2 years ago
Don't say Christianity doesn't have eating-restrictions.
Crustaceans for example.
Try reading the Bible, it won't hurt you .... only if you believe it ;-)
piotrezzz 2 years ago 14
Christians don't really enforce the dietary restrictions in Leviticus anymore. Although I do understand your point.
dude11293 2 years ago
And I wonder If Christians indeed ever did.
There are more restrictions than that too.
Or non-flexible guidelines if that's preferred :-)
I find it funny too, that Catholics have (basically) the same bible as other Christians ... they've just adopted a more lenient view on the whole idol-worshiping i.e. the appointment
of scores of saints and what have you, thereby moving the actual god at least one step away .. which is BAD as far as I remember ;)
piotrezzz 2 years ago
dude why is it that Levitical laws are no longer valid ?
Clemburke1111 2 years ago
Yes the more we get away from what the bible says the better we are for it.
Religion/Belief in god(that doesn't exist) is a poison to the world.
CondorDM 2 years ago
It doesn't count anymore. Jesus came and told everyone they can eat anything now.
slitrobo 2 years ago
Kermit?
MagicCowWtf 2 years ago
religion is a form of control,and there is no god.
campasini 2 years ago 75
@campasini Science is another form of control. As long as these institutions are led by men, 'control' will be an inevitable fact. Think for yourself instead.
classicvox 1 year ago
@classicvox How can Science be another form of control when it requires evidence for claims and not opinions from some human? We've always been under control until Science stepped in and demanded real evidence.
Watchdawg 1 year ago
@campasini religion is a form of control. And you're looking for god in the wrong place.
1776bricks 1 year ago
@campasini a bold statement. you have proof there is no God? or you just beleive there is no God? you stated that like a fact. stating your beliefs as facts, you're no better than the pope
masonhosey 11 months ago
@masonhosey to me it is a fact, to me it makes no sense that there is any kind of magical being in the sky. the burden of proof is not proving something does not exist but that something does.
campasini 11 months ago
@campasini I'm not trying to PROVE either way. You're scientific process is flawed, somewhat. Just because you can't observe something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Would you have given up on blackholes back when they were impossible to prove? I'll admit that the existence of God seems forever impossible to observe, but I'm just thankful how lucky we are on this planet, in this universe, so I chose to thank the process, whether its intelligently designed or not. I'm not a bible believer though.
masonhosey 11 months ago
@campasini How are you being a sceptic by claiming there is no god? It's the same as claiming that there IS a god, you can't prove either. I'm a sceptic so i don't believe there is god OR that there isn't god, because the lack of evidence for either claim.
amirasinen 11 months ago
@amirasinen i didnt say i was a sKeptic, but i dont see anyway what so ever that there is a magical being in the sky i dont need anything to disprove that but my rational thinking...
campasini 11 months ago 3
@campasini yeah, rational thinking is the only fruitful way of thinking. religion really is control!
here's some thoughts for your amusement :)
"If there were no god, it would've been necessary to invent him." -Voltaire
"God is dead. And we have killed him!" -Nietzche
“I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it” -Einstein
and finally: "All great intellectuals are sceptic." -Nietzche
amirasinen 11 months ago
@amirasinen So predictable, Im sure most of your reading is that of Voltaire, Nietzche, and lemme guess... Machiavelli... typical "tough guy atheist" literature hahaha. Rational thinking is inherently ignorant; ignoring the senses, instead inventing theories (causality) that work most of the time (and pretending they work all the time).
When the mind is a rest, truth is obtained not by evidence or inference, but by direct perception.
Turn off your thoughts, and watch what happens.
jackrowet1234 10 months ago
@campasini if you actually belive that your a idiot now im am not very religous but i will say i am not under controll
2213blaise 10 months ago
@2213blaise the right wing republicans still use it pretty well.
campasini 10 months ago
@campasini yes to a certain extaint but i am speaking for the majority
2213blaise 10 months ago
@campasini Atheism is a form of intellectual apathy, and leads to intellectual enslavement, smugness masquerading as confidence, and an antagonistic, arrogant attitude that keeps you from getting laid.... not very healthy...
jackrowet1234 10 months ago
@jackrowet1234 you couldnt be more wrong about that.
campasini 10 months ago
@campasini Yea well there's plain, shallow fucking, i.e "this feels good because it furthers my species"... then there's some of us who get a bit more out of it/each other.
jackrowet1234 10 months ago
@jackrowet1234 troll harder
MRfullon 9 months ago
boo
blingbling65943 2 years ago
That is the most a christian can do against the facts and truth that there is no god.
CondorDM 2 years ago
Great interview, too short though! Get him back for another. :)
evilparkin 2 years ago 15
Shermer on TYT, two great things come together.
ScottishAtheist 2 years ago 15
Great get.
CognosSquare 2 years ago
be skeptical because the opposite of being skeptical is being gullible
SireStefan 2 years ago 70
@SireStefan I agree, I am very skeptical of this second rate comedian / narcisit named Shermer.
classicvox 1 year ago
@SireStefan What? The opposite of gullible isn't skeptical, it's cynical.
Wishingstarification 11 months ago
Excellent guest, bring him back!
moonravi 2 years ago 9
TYT you should have that guy on again, like for an hour or something. That was a fascinating interview. I can't say I agreed with him 100 percent on a few things but those were interesting topics.
billthebutcher2 2 years ago 6
Shermer is great, check some of his debate videos out.
SirPwn4lot 2 years ago 5
Why are some of the good interviews truncated like this? Keep talking to this guy, shit's fascinating.
Shisho2k 2 years ago 5
Fuck ya! Four horsemen next on tyt!
gbw80521 2 years ago 6
yes!!
could you imagine that? and what stories and points would they develop through their conversation....
it's amazing enough to watch two men, cenk and michael in the same video, ah, what a pleasure for any even half thinking brain.
I can't help but wondering, where would human race be now, if we didn't have to, throughout the history, today and tomorrow, constantly struggle with hordes of nonthinkers dragging us down back to ignorance.
oxymoronpersonified 2 years ago 6
yes well said.
billthebutcher2 2 years ago
Shermer is great.
Masenko 2 years ago 4
Michael Shermer, fuck yeah!
Thanks TYT!
Hez0 2 years ago 6
I can see labeling Paul as a cult leader - but Jesus? Why would you judge Jesus based on how popular he was, or compare him to murderers? Jesus was against cultism and classism and violence. If he were to show up today, he would be crucified by religious leaders, again.
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
I agree, except for the crucified again part.
ses6239 2 years ago
I encourage being skeptical. But of course they go right for God's throat. In the face of that, I always fall back on my man Einstein.
"You can live your life like everything is a miracle. You can live your life like nothing is a miracle."
chenalos 2 years ago
I would disagree on the Jesus issue. The most distinctive characteristics about Jesus would probably be that he was the son of god, he healed the sick, and rose to heaven after death. There is no evidence to support these claims, so this person most probably didn't exist.
In the same way as Chewbacca doesn't exist, although there are probably lots of really hairy, long and loud people that do exist in the world.
So calling this potential preacher that existed Jesus is just misleading.
t1er 2 years ago
I completely agree.
ebertnroeper 2 years ago
i dont think so. jesus and chewbacca are both real to the same extent and we can talk about both of them.
there may have been a jesus, but his life has been so mythologized that our idea of him bears no resemblance to the actual person. so, yes, the jesus of our popular conception is fictional.
but we can still talk about him. and chewbacca. he's a character, not a big deal.
underweightHater 2 years ago
Are you trying to say God never watched Star Wars? For shame!
billthebutcher2 2 years ago
Sound is low.
twells2323 2 years ago 5
schermer ftw!
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