South Carolina couldn't help itself. It's a state of born-agains who are TERRIFIED of anything Mormon. (Since they're the devil and all.) And they don't particularly mind the "morally defunct" thing.
I think blood will shed if Ron Paul looses. Especialy because he get more suport from our troops then any one. Yes our troops, The ones with guns... Yep thats all I'm sayin.... Keep your eyes on the white house this Feb 20, 2012...Yep thats all I'm sayin...
*leans in chair* Mmm what a clowns race isn't it. They are so strongly now the party of NO that .. it is a shame really! Are these the choices.. right then!
I would by now almost say whoever wins loses, or as predator wisdom says "whoever wins we lose"
South Carolina supported the conservative in the race, not the Massachusetts moderate. Gingrich has a conservative record as Speaker to run on. He also has bold solutions to fix our economy and defend this country. Has he made mistakes in his life? Yes, but who has not? He did change positions on health insurance mandates, but he is not a serial flip-flopper like Mitt Romney.
2nd wife: got multiple sklerosis, he told her on the phone that he wanted to divorce .. because "you want me all for yourself" and that his (back then mistress and now wife) Calistra doesn't care what he does.
I'd like to see more specific criticism of Ron Paul. I've found little legitimate criticism. Most of it is the product of people misinterpreting one of his stances, though it is understandable for people to think so.
I am a liberal turned libertarian. I didnt like his ideas on healthcare and federal spending until I really looked into it. It's not nearly the same as the BS ideas most conservatives call a free market, and if you think hes so crazy, look at his predictions from 2002.
South Carolina and all citizens of the United States must come to accept the wise and magnificent leadership of Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a divine prophet and the citizens of the United States and the people of the world should rejoice and praise him. Only by accepting Ron Paul and submitting to his will can we be saved!
The Republican electorate is sensing that Obama is going to win anyway. TELEPHONE polls generally show Obama beating Romney, and non-telephone polls should have Obama winning by a wider margin. Therefore, they want someone to just go after Obama like a maniac and punch him in the nose. This explains the rise of Gingrich.
@mooninquirer I agree with some of what you say. I think what you are saying is that Gingrich is a wild card, whereas Mitt is a close, but sure loser. I still think Romney is the safer bet for Republicans, but you make some good points.
I see your problem with Gingrich, but not with Ron Paul. Only for those VERY well versed in what is going on in America ( i.e., that 911 was an inside job ) Ron Paul might be perceived as a shill. But he is the only anti-war candidate, and he believes in preserving individual freedom to. Democrats are SLIGHTLY less warmongering than Republicans, but giving up free speech and gun rights is a mighty high price to pay in order to oppose war.
@mooninquirer As far as Ron Paul, I think he has what is called a "niche market". He will never gain a majority of Republican supporters, because he is perceived as isolationist, anti-war, anti-military, and apologetic. His statements that we should apply the Golden Rule on a nation-state level sounds logical to liberals like me, but do not appeal to most Republicans.
@DandAinTac I don't think Ron Paul being anti-war is the problem for Republicans. He has positions which can be considered pro-gay, and is in favor of marijuana.
Morally defunked idiots which is what most people in the rural south are. believe me I have lived North Carolina. I see why I left that piece of shit state.
Wait, what? Your rant is about Gingrich being a "morally defunct idiot". Are you not familiar with the current president and that of the previous democrat president?
Changing views is bad? Again, are you not familiar with the words of president Obama... that change based on the color of his underwear for the day? If you can say that Obama is "upstanding" with a straight face, would ruin a lot of the credibility that you have here on youtube.
it's times like the elections that makes me glad I'm not in the US anymore... all of the candidates are complete ass-wipes, and they're trying as hard as they can to ruin the country
I wouldn't worry about Gingrich winning. He may win a few states like SC, but in the end Romney will bury him. He has deeper pockets, has better control over his mouth, and doesn't have the the baggage of Neutron Newt, some of which you detailed. People also tend to forget that his own party kicked him out of the Speaker's chair for CORRUPTION--the same exact charges that he used to take down his Democratic predecessor. Also, Obama will beat either Romney or Gingrich in the general.
@DandAinTac Polls show Gingrich ahead of Romney by 8 points in Florida, and two months ago, polls in Florida showed Gingrich with a 30 point lead over Romney in Florida.
The Republican electorate is CLEARLY very unsatisfied with Romney, so I do not see how it is inevitable that Romney is going to win. Obama is much more likely to beat Romney than Gingrich, and liberal pundits are urging Republicans to vote Romney to give Obama an easy, predictable, "vanilla" campaign.
@DandAinTac Romney has a lot more baggage than Newt, with Bain Capital, and Romney paying a tax rate lower than the average American, despite his vast wealth. The ONLY thing Romney had going for him was the ( false ) claim he is most likely to beat Obama. In SC, they started to realize that Romney is very vulnerable to liberal attacks. I would even say that of all the GOP candidates from the beginning, including Michele Bachmann, Romney is the LEAST likely to defeat Obama.
@mooninquirer I agree that Romney has a lot of baggage that has been largely overlooked by a fawning press, but he also has advantages that Gingrich lacks. One of them is that he is not the slimeball Gingrich is. Dumping his wife when she was stricken with cancer--that's really low. Romney also seems to have better control over his mouth, doesn't have a history of corruption, didn't have his own party relieve him of the Speaker's seat, and is perceived by the mainstream media to be a moderate.
@DandAinTac Well, we already know the outcome if it is Romney vs. Obama : Obama is going to win. Obama will probably win vs Gingrich, but Gingrich is much more unpredictable. The Republicans are starting to realize that Romney is the least likely to defeat Obama among all Republican candidates, and that includes Michele Bachmann.
The Republicans never were thrilled with Romney, and the ( false ) claim that he can beat Obama is the only thing he had going for him.
@mooninquirer Thanks for your analysis. Moon, what makes this whole thing so interesting, is that Obama should be more vulnerable than this--don't you think? Why is the GOP field so weak? And if Bachmann had a greater chance than Romney to beat Obama, why did she fail attract enough enduring support to at least stay in the race?
@DandAinTac Because it was INCORRECTLY believed a few months ago, that Romney would be more likely to beat Obama than Bachmann. Republicans just swallowed the analysis of the liberal media. Her being so petite might have contributed to the feeling that she couldn't beat Obama, but her chances are better than Romney's.
The GOP field is so weak ( and the Democratic field will be weak as well ), because more people are starting to realize that the president does not have much power.
@mooninquirer Also, Gingrich has huge negatives. He is perceived as a hothead and a loose cannon by the Republican establishment. He is inconsistent and erratic. Another thing Romney has going for him is that he has truck loads of cash. That alone pretty much determines the election anyway. Personally as a liberal, I would to see Gingrich win, because I think his negatives outweigh Romney's but I doubt it will happen.
@DandAinTac Having a lot of money is not the advantage that it used to be, because the primary is drawn out this year ( i.e. there is no Super Tuesday when many states have primaries at once ). I do not see how being the hand picked establishment candidate is an advantage ----- it turns off a lot of voters, and makes them search for an insurgent candidate. That desire has coalesced around Gingrich, who is leading Romney is two recent polls in Florida.
@DandAinTac A national poll has Gingrich behind Romney by only one point. Just 2 months ago, Gingrich had an enormous 30 point lead over Romney in Florida. FiveThirtyEight predicts a double digit win for Gingrich in Florida, and certainly if Gingrich wins Florida, then he will most likely go on to win the nomination. At this point, it is 50-50 as to who is going to get the nomination. The turning point came in SC when voters began to realize that liberals really want Romney to win.
its funny how pillsbury dough boy oops i mean newt gingrich received an extra 900 votes from people that are dead(6 feet under) this is obvious that sc was rigged.
I feel the same way, shame on you, South Carolina. For half the day today, I was thinking OH GOD NOT GINGRICH OH GOD NOT GINGRICH OH GOD NOT GINGRICH because I definitely do not want a President whose model for national security policy is the Soviet Union.
it was weird not being american but getting really hopeful or excited for Huntsman. I guess now he's out Obama would probably be best - but i couldn't get why the americans didn't go for him *shrug*
@mooninquirer Because Romney is a very "vanilla" and predictable campaigner, but Gingrich is a loose cannon, a no holds barred political brawler, and a much better debater than Romney. Obama has some killer ads to run against Romney, about Bain Capital where Romney fired so many people. Romney having such vast wealth and yet paying a much lower tax rate than the average American is also a killer issue. If Romney is scared to release his returns NOW, what is it going to be like in the Fall ?
@mooninquirer I see your point ----- if Gingrich became president, it would be, in effect, like sanctioning his infidelities as acceptable behavior. And leaving his wife because she had cancer is abominable.
nobody cares about obama's character. he is incompetent left wing nut who is destroying america with his socialist policies. and that is all that matters.
@originaltrip I'm not saying you're voting for a pope. I'm saying that he's running on a morality-style ticket as a conservative who is for traditional family values, but he divorced his first wife because he wanted an open marriage, and he divorced his second wife because she had cancer.
why do you care? really. don't you care more about economy? gas prices? jobs? less taxes? energy independence? more money in your pocket at the end of the day? the FACT is that gingrich has the best plan. period. and if you don't realize that and if you can't see that this is the most important thing at this moment, then there is no hope for you. you can save your moral judgments for other times. and if someone changes their positions frequently... Obama and Romney
@originaltrip "back on track"? Like when Bush was in? Or when his dad was in? Or when Reagan was in? Sorry but the republican party doesn't exactly have a record for getting things back on track unless you're talking about the express train to brokeville.
when reagan was in? you mean when there were tax cuts and 16 mil new jobs? and please, republican party can be a bit freaky with their religion bullshit and are far from perfect, but in general, in terms of economy, are better option than liberals. give me a break.
In 1982, the Congressional Budget Office found that taxpayers earning under $10,000 lost an average of $240 from Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts, while those earning more than $80,000 gained an average of $15,130. By that fall, the jobless rate hit 10.1 percent–the worst in 42 years, and a year later 11.9 million were out of work. In 1983, the country’s poverty rate rose to 15 percent, the highest level since the mid-’60s.
@originaltrip (continued) When Clinton left, our economy was doing better than it had ever done in my lifetime. We pulled out of the massive debt HW put us in, and accumulated a reserve. Then HWs son got in and put us back in massive debt. Every time republicans get in we go fucking broke.
That said, the dems are in bed with them. Clinton sold us out to NAFTA just like Bush sold us out to the Saudis. Please stop abusing the words conservative and liberal. None of those mentioned here are either
Partly true. They voted for him because Newt launched a series of attack ads decrying Romney for being a vulture capitalist. They voted for him because Newt sounded positively socialist in the last week attacking Romney as the evil greedy capitalist who outsourced jobs, destroyed companies, and ruined lives.
Of course all this is a GIANT joke coming from Newt but it shows how even republicans sing a different tune during election time.
@WhirlingWolves Of course it's a giant joke coming from Newt since he's been paid to speak at conferences full of "vulture capitalists" countless times ;)
Blinder as Ron Paul? The RP supporters are the most educated on his record which is why we vote for him. You complain about Newt and Ron Paul, let me take a guess. Your a Moron who wants Romney in office.
@StanMarsh1 No i need the government to tell me i cant drink milk that comes from a cow. Not before they put the chemicals in it. Sadly you dont think that is ludicrous right?
@StanMarsh1 Oh i see, so when will they get rid of cigarettes,alcohol all these things that do harm, yet they are still legal? Or do we as Americans have the right to smoke,drink,and to have raw milk? Government needs to stay out of americans lives and not tell them what to drink eat or smoke.
@studyhistory2ctruth Some states do allow raw milk to be sold, but anyway, what does this have to do with the argument? I agree you should be allowed to eat what you want but having well regulated food and drink, free from disease and contagions keeps millions of people safe per year.
@StanMarsh1 The argument as you put it, was brought up when you asked i bet you think government rules on what we eat and drink are ludicrous? My response was the example given. But i asked you why dont they ban cigs and beer? Wouldnt that keep millions of people safe per year?
@StanMarsh1 The government tries to balance legal and illegal substances, and I think they way they have is wrong. I don't see why cigarettes and alcohol are allowed but pot isn't. There are people however, who don't want to do any of that, and just want to eat normal, everyday food without worrying whether it is going to poison and kill them or their family. Access to clean, safe food is a right all Americans should have, and it would be done away with in a Ron Paul presidency.
@abbynormal0ne Ron Paul is the best choice when you look at his record. Point out what you meant by people not looking at his record? Btw your name made me laugh. Young Frankenstien fan perhaps?
Bloody hell Abby you opened a jar of worms , oh no i don't mean that a jar of worms is a sex aid for lonely boys ,i mean can of worms yup thats it ha ha .
@abbynormal0ne hey abby all you have to do for guaranteed rabid attacks against you is to be mildly critical of Ron paul ,its as if the guy is some kind of saint or cult leader ,in my view he's the best of a bad bunch (wait for it , don't bother peeps iv'e herd it all ) i am surprised at the level of faith displayed for a politician given recent US political history i would have thought the mood to have been more sceptical .
The problem with Romney is that Obama would much rather run against Romney than Gingrich, and the GOP voters in general ( not just conservatives ) are starting to pick that up. Romney is THE choice of the liberal news media, and liberal pundits. Romney's vast wealth and 15 % tax rate, and firing of people at Bain, will hurt him more in a general election than Gingrich's infidelities.
I think Romney will attract more independents than Gingrich, and more Wall Street conservatives who don't care that he's a Mormon. He would be a stronger candidate against Obama in the general election.
@ObserversEyes WALL STREET conservatives will vote for the GOP nominee regardless of anything. Blue collar independents will be turned off, once they hear the killer ad that Obama has about Romney firing so many people at Bain Capital. If Romney is not willing to release his return until April, I don't see how he has any response. Romney being a Mormon was NOT a factor is South Carolina ---- the problem is Romney is THE choice of the liberal news media and pundits, to run against Obama
Obama has given Wall Street conservatives everything they've wanted and more. They are fiscal conservative but libertarian when it comes to social issues. I know some of these people and many actually chose Obama over McCain in 2008.
The blue collar independents who didn't vote for Obama in '08 still won't for the same reason and I probably don't have to tell you why ( hint, it's not about Bain Capital ).
@ObserversEyes As a separate issue, Wall Street conservatives are NOT libertarian on social issues. They would be in favor of overturning the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if that were the case. Among many other things, the CRA 1964 ( and 1968 ) impose a monopoly in favor of bankers, as one's credit score is left as the only thing that one can discriminate upon.
I certainly understand your problem with Gingrich's infidelities, but I don't understand your problem with Ron Paul. And criticism of him is VERY esoteric, and you really have to get into a deep discussion of money, the federal reserve, etc. to do that, OR to bring up that 911 was an inside job, and Ron Paul does not discuss that. But at least Paul is not in favor of the wars.
Hey, at least they didn't vote for Romney. I can't even believe NH voted for him. You'd think being on our border, they would have heard how much he fucked us over and passed the exact types of laws that NH people are against. They're republicans, they will only vote for republicans. His record doesn't matter, to those type of people. They vote on party and persona.
@onlywhenprovoked I just think it's a shame that the GOP really honestly doesn't have a strong ticket in any of the remaining candidates at all this time around.
@abbynormal0ne If you are so adamant about not wanting Romney or Paul in office, then my is it a shame that that the GOP doesn't have a strong ticket ? ( I would vote for anyone but John McCain over Obama ).
@onlywhenprovoked Well, the big difference between the Democratic presidential nominee and the Republican are the Supreme Court picks. Generally, there is not a difference between the two on foreign policy and the wars. An exception would have been John McCain, who would have launched America into a campaign of total invasion and occupation of MANY other countries had he been president.
@mooninquirer "McCain.. would have launched America into a campaign of total invasion and occupation of MANY other countries"
That's exactly what Bush did.. but I hear what you're saying. McCain isn't rational. But all this talk assumes that the president has any real power, as opposed to the party behind him and the millions in corporate sponsorship.
I live in Massachusetts. Democrats don't pick better judges. We just had one that tried to order a forced abortion and sterilization on a woman.
@mooninquirer "I would vote for anyone but John McCain over Obama"
There's nothing different about McCains policies from Bush's or Newts or Obamas. From foreign policy to bank bailouts, it's all the exact same agenda.
Name me one thing Obama did that you think McCain wouldn't have.
@abbynormal0ne While in office here in Mass, Romney rallied for taxpayer funded abortions. Not just as a stipulation of the mandatory RomneyCare (for which I am fined in my taxes every year for not complying with) but more like "I support state funded abortions" and you can find the videos. Also, he raised the shit out of our taxes and supported the complete removal of our gun rights.
Oh, and he's also got a wife scandal.
Newt looks like a conservative champion, compared. Sad, really.
all of the Republican nominees are complete idiots. come election time, America's choice for president is between evil (Obama) and stupid (the other guy).
Does it really matter who they vote for? The Republican candidates are all fucked, there is no lesser of evils. They might as well vote a Lassie in the white house. In fact I'm going to endorse it right now Lassie 2012.
Voting for a candidate in the republican primary is like voting for which turd is the best out of a pile of turds. Newt Gingrich is a disgusting human being by the standards of a rational human being. By republican standards he is just an average candidate.
Evangelical christians are afraid of Mormons. That's the ONLY reason Romney isn't destroying everyone. A lot of people also know Romney is also a corporate whore...but then again, they all are. I still remember how republicans were so disgusted with bill clinton during his scandal. What Newt did is 1,000 times worse and he's still a serious candidate.
@Michigan1985 p.s. When are republicans and democrats going to realize neither party serves the interest of the American people? We need to fuze the tea party, occupy wall street and everyone else and get our country back one of these days.
@Michigan1985 i am a republican and i disagree with everthing that party stands for. But i also recognize that if you vote in the primary you end up holding a lot of power.
@GingerAtheist "But i also recognize that if you vote in the primary you end up holding a lot of power"
Indeed. I never really realized the power of primary voting until the teabaggers. I would be thrilled if there was someone to vote for against obama in a democrat primary.
However I believe in fighting from both within the party (primaries) and from outside the party (voting 3rd party) when unsuccessful in the primaries to overthrow the corrupt incumbent. This I feel is the only solution.
@Michigan1985 I don't know so much that they are afraid of Mormons as much as I think they visualize Mormons as cultists, much to the same effect many of them view Catholics, which is a shame, because they put someone's religion before their politics. I agree with what you said about Gingrich, but the problem is that he was public about it, and Clinton was not (initially), so they kind of fried him there.
@abbynormal0ne Yeah, I don't mean they're literally afraid of him. Although I think they're threatened by another religion/denomination taking over the white house. I think Romney would get 0% of the evangelical vote if they found out about the "white horse prophecy".
@woofalot13 one of these people will be running for president and has a good chance of being one. Putting your head in the sand during the primary is fine, but you are missing your opportunity to put someone who is the least repulsive in your opinion up as a potential candidate.
All this election is all about for the gop and gop voter is who can be the nastiest person to pound on Obama. All they want is somebody who can hurt the "black" president.....granted Obama is a disappointing president in a lots of areas but he can never be as bad as any of the gop candidates.....just my opinion
I guess they like the upper class that pisses on poor people, you know instead of pissing on middle class people. Like those 2 things aren't the same.
What blinders on for Ron Paul? A vote for Ron Paul is a vote against the Corprotocracy, against The Federal Reserve, against the Military Industrial Complex, against the Patriot Act, the NDAA and SOPA which steal our civil liberties, and against endless wars for the Zionists which deplete the country of both its resources and its young people all for a bogus stone age creed and a vote against Ron is a vote in favor of all of those things plus +whoremongering and child labor if it's for Newt.
@ed12261972 Ron Paul is a idiot for his fema views. If he was president when Hurricane Katrina hit he would have left them people to rot and rely on flawed insurance policies that most cannot afford. I can see downsizing the government. But one of their responsibilities should be to protect their own citizens. If your home is hit by a tornado, flood, hurricane etc you are simply left in the streets under Ron Paul. He is rich and doesnt care about the less fortunate. Fuck him and the GOPs.
@JabberCT I don't know how anyone can say FEMA did a good job at Katrina... You hear a lot of reports about how FEMA prevented people from going into New Orleans to help people...
and if anyone doesn't have any working solutions, it's Romney. The man hasn't answered a question clearly the entire campaign. The only one actually answering questions about his policy is Ron Paul and sometimes Newt recently.
@FiLthaThriL Fema did not do a good job during Katrina. Everyone fought over who was going to fund it all. Thats why i said, if this country manages to save trillions of dollars a year, you make it workable and better. But you do NOT leave your own citizens who voted and supported you as homeless bums over a act of nature they had no control over. It would be heartless and make us look like 3rd world pieces of shit.
@JabberCT I agree with you actually. The main reason I want Ron Paul to win is that he will end our occupation of other countries. This is also really the only one of his policies that he can actually enact because most of the other ones will require a vote from congress.
He can end our over seas spending instantly like a light switch... and I think that would make our existing government programs more viable because we would be able to fund them.
@FiLthaThriL excuse my ignorance but doesn't RP want to axe government programs i thought he was a fend for yourself libertarian small government and all that .
You're not even American. Why do you even care about our elections?
For that matter you fucking idiots don't even know the name of the royal family that you suck the boots of. You don't even know that they aren't English.
Fuck the Queen and all the fairy boys speaking the queens English. You won't get this but Ron Paul is fighting the 2nd revolutionary war. The rest are in bed with London bankers.
@tstatech Ha ha i landed a whopper , theres always one rabid idiot in the pond , is ron paul going to call the french for help too . Ha ha your funny what is a buggery wanker ha ha thanks i needed a bloody good laugh ! and i am interested in world politics is that not aloud , ha ha i'm still laughing thanks that was funny .
@tstatech You buggery wanker ha ha do you know what that means it makes no sense ha ha please have you got any more gems like that or maybe just some more of your devastating jingoism ,go on let rip .
@woofalot13 He does but his plan isnt to just leave those people dependent on these programs blowing in the wind. He wants to slowly phase them out after hopefully creating more jobs through creating a sound monetary system. You can pay for these programs using the money that we pump into maintaining our empire over seas.
People should want to work for their money more then be on a program. Work would be better if you didn't have to do so much just to live thanks to not being taxed
@FiLthaThriL Or... you would be able to save more if you worked the hours that you do... and that would make your quality of life better much more quickly. Also you could go to school a lot easier because your part time job would be enough.
@FiLthaThriL I am not an American but i'm all for America pulling back from its interventionist stance and regaining its respect in the rest of the world ,like it used to have in the good old days .
@woofalot13 This (foreign policy) should really be the main issue when choosing a candidate because it is one of the few things the president can change at a whim. Most of these other changes require a vote from congress.
@JabberCT I also feel like people should not live in areas that are obviously going to be flooded. We are kind of beyond that point now... but it just seems stupid to me for people to do that and expect to be rescued when the water comes rushing in.
Also... less spending over seas means more spending on levies.
@JabberCT It's a dog eat dog world. Why should anyone be forced to lose much of their own happiness by paying money that they don't have to help the less fortunate out? Don't they have any fortitude of their own? And, I'm sure there are charitable people that would lend a hand. Most likely the churches. However, as Darwin said, "The strong survive." and as my father used to say "Things are tough all over." If I'm forced to help others out, then that leaves me less to help myself out.
@ed12261972 We are not part of the barbaric animal world anymore where only the strong survive. Its a civilized society in most nations except places like North Korea, Iran, etc. You would not be charged anymore for fema than you are now. You should be willing to help out. In todays world, all humans rely on one another for everything. I dont care where you live, you are NOT safe from a natural disaster. If it happened to you, you would realize insurance isnt enough.
@ed12261972 you don't think that is a selfish attitude ,you forget all of humanity's great achevments came through cooperation and community , that is such a backwards view don't you think it is mankind's job to rise above the base and animal not use a system thats so old it was in use with the T rex .
@woofalot13 What system? Freedom? I guess in your opinion everybody ought to be slaves? The system you seem to prefer is called the Nanny State and that's led to disastrous Entitlement complexes around the world. If there is no tax system enforced on everyone by a Central Governmet, then they have more money to spend in cooperation with others and on their community in ways that they choose to do so rather than having their government steal it all and waste it on worthless programs.
@ed12261972 Don't forget stripping the coggs and bolts out of our system so it doesn't work anymore. Ron Paul only has ideals and no working 'pragmatic' solutions. Just go with Romney vs Obama, please
@GingerAtheist Why should I go with a d*mn Mormon Zionist Theocrat or two Jesuit Zionist Theocrats in Gingrich and Santorum and and a habitual liar that isn't even a citizen of the US? The ideas that Paul has did very well in America from 1776 until The Founding of the League of Nations when the push began for Zionist World domination.
@woofalot13 Personally I consider someone that wants to end foreign wars for Oil and Israel, SOPA, The Patriot Act, the NDAA, and restore the true spirit of American freedom not this misguided Teletubbyesque Humanism to be far more than a turd,
@ed12261972 You on about that old codger who doesn't stand a chance of gaining the nomination ,the one who hides all his stupid ideas behind some quite good ones ,fair enough ,but you cant polish a turd in my book .
@ed12261972 Please tell me how you are using the word zionist because you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Ron Paul supports israel and supports state run theocracy.
@GingerAtheist I'm using Zionist in reference to the renegade "State" of Israel. Without even dipping into what you would call "Conspiracy Theories" and what rational thinking people would call "The Way The World Really Works", I don't remember the day that Israel ever became the United States' 51st State. They've done nothing to earn the weapons and other things they've been given and in many instances turned around and sold since 1948. If they can't defend the land they stole from the
you state the obvious, to people who obviously already know. aside from 10 idiots up there on the 'i got a tiny wiener' red bar.
Ron Paul 2012!
heirihunziker 1 week ago
South Carolina is in the dumbass rural south. What the hell does one expect!!
connerjd 2 weeks ago
South Carolina couldn't help itself. It's a state of born-agains who are TERRIFIED of anything Mormon. (Since they're the devil and all.) And they don't particularly mind the "morally defunct" thing.
pburto 2 weeks ago
Holy shit. Something tells me this woman is projecting about the divorce issue.
BTW, his first wife (the one who had cancer and was still alive), was his high school teacher.
s7rugg1es 2 weeks ago
You can't expect south carolina to be smart and vote someone other than Gingrich....They're a bunch of inbreeds!!!
lindebomb1 2 weeks ago
Lose weight, yankee.
TheClarenceter 2 weeks ago
I think that most people will agree with you. Really look at what really happened in SC
even people from there can't believe it. I too am for Ron Paul I know a lot of people that would vote for him.
dragonseptor 2 weeks ago
I think blood will shed if Ron Paul looses. Especialy because he get more suport from our troops then any one. Yes our troops, The ones with guns... Yep thats all I'm sayin.... Keep your eyes on the white house this Feb 20, 2012...Yep thats all I'm sayin...
good4u88us 3 weeks ago 2
*leans in chair* Mmm what a clowns race isn't it. They are so strongly now the party of NO that .. it is a shame really! Are these the choices.. right then!
I would by now almost say whoever wins loses, or as predator wisdom says "whoever wins we lose"
masticina 3 weeks ago
South Carolina supported the conservative in the race, not the Massachusetts moderate. Gingrich has a conservative record as Speaker to run on. He also has bold solutions to fix our economy and defend this country. Has he made mistakes in his life? Yes, but who has not? He did change positions on health insurance mandates, but he is not a serial flip-flopper like Mitt Romney.
MrConservativeTalk 3 weeks ago
i cant say i disagree with you. spot on. give this video a thumbs up. RON PAUL 2012!!!!!
burtontoker 3 weeks ago 2
I don't think they voted for him actually, apparently it was rigged...not that I wasn't expecting it..
Spjungen 4 weeks ago 2
All those Ron Paul chicks are smart, hot and smart.
MrDeejayjfx 4 weeks ago
lol at morally defunked idiot. Genius. haha
mikereka 4 weeks ago
Ron Paul 2012
MandragGanon 1 month ago
And to continue to add to the creepy his first wife was his high school math teacher, whom he married shortly after graduating...
orion1anon 1 month ago
@orion1anon Ewwww YUCK!
BiggerThinking1 4 weeks ago
Heh, nice.
Note:
You seem to have confused his wives. AFAIK:
1st wife: got cancer, he divorced
2nd wife: got multiple sklerosis, he told her on the phone that he wanted to divorce .. because "you want me all for yourself" and that his (back then mistress and now wife) Calistra doesn't care what he does.
AnotherUselessNick 1 month ago
I'd like to see more specific criticism of Ron Paul. I've found little legitimate criticism. Most of it is the product of people misinterpreting one of his stances, though it is understandable for people to think so.
I am a liberal turned libertarian. I didnt like his ideas on healthcare and federal spending until I really looked into it. It's not nearly the same as the BS ideas most conservatives call a free market, and if you think hes so crazy, look at his predictions from 2002.
ModerateMadGenius 1 month ago
Why the hell vote at all!
connerjd 1 month ago
South Carolina and all citizens of the United States must come to accept the wise and magnificent leadership of Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a divine prophet and the citizens of the United States and the people of the world should rejoice and praise him. Only by accepting Ron Paul and submitting to his will can we be saved!
TronPauI 1 month ago
The Republican electorate is sensing that Obama is going to win anyway. TELEPHONE polls generally show Obama beating Romney, and non-telephone polls should have Obama winning by a wider margin. Therefore, they want someone to just go after Obama like a maniac and punch him in the nose. This explains the rise of Gingrich.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer I agree with some of what you say. I think what you are saying is that Gingrich is a wild card, whereas Mitt is a close, but sure loser. I still think Romney is the safer bet for Republicans, but you make some good points.
DandAinTac 1 month ago
I see your problem with Gingrich, but not with Ron Paul. Only for those VERY well versed in what is going on in America ( i.e., that 911 was an inside job ) Ron Paul might be perceived as a shill. But he is the only anti-war candidate, and he believes in preserving individual freedom to. Democrats are SLIGHTLY less warmongering than Republicans, but giving up free speech and gun rights is a mighty high price to pay in order to oppose war.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer As far as Ron Paul, I think he has what is called a "niche market". He will never gain a majority of Republican supporters, because he is perceived as isolationist, anti-war, anti-military, and apologetic. His statements that we should apply the Golden Rule on a nation-state level sounds logical to liberals like me, but do not appeal to most Republicans.
DandAinTac 1 month ago
@DandAinTac I don't think Ron Paul being anti-war is the problem for Republicans. He has positions which can be considered pro-gay, and is in favor of marijuana.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
Comparing an open marriage to what Gingrich does is like comparing bdsm to spousal abuse.
wormsto 1 month ago
Ron paul sucks , aahhhh it feels so good !
woofalot13 1 month ago
Morally defunked idiots which is what most people in the rural south are. believe me I have lived North Carolina. I see why I left that piece of shit state.
connerjd 1 month ago
Wait, what? Your rant is about Gingrich being a "morally defunct idiot". Are you not familiar with the current president and that of the previous democrat president?
Changing views is bad? Again, are you not familiar with the words of president Obama... that change based on the color of his underwear for the day? If you can say that Obama is "upstanding" with a straight face, would ruin a lot of the credibility that you have here on youtube.
thereprieve 1 month ago
it's times like the elections that makes me glad I'm not in the US anymore... all of the candidates are complete ass-wipes, and they're trying as hard as they can to ruin the country
THEMrFill 1 month ago
@THEMrFill Hooray to that .
woofalot13 1 month ago
Obama will win- the other side has all twits
dalejr88 1 month ago
I wouldn't worry about Gingrich winning. He may win a few states like SC, but in the end Romney will bury him. He has deeper pockets, has better control over his mouth, and doesn't have the the baggage of Neutron Newt, some of which you detailed. People also tend to forget that his own party kicked him out of the Speaker's chair for CORRUPTION--the same exact charges that he used to take down his Democratic predecessor. Also, Obama will beat either Romney or Gingrich in the general.
DandAinTac 1 month ago
@DandAinTac Polls show Gingrich ahead of Romney by 8 points in Florida, and two months ago, polls in Florida showed Gingrich with a 30 point lead over Romney in Florida.
The Republican electorate is CLEARLY very unsatisfied with Romney, so I do not see how it is inevitable that Romney is going to win. Obama is much more likely to beat Romney than Gingrich, and liberal pundits are urging Republicans to vote Romney to give Obama an easy, predictable, "vanilla" campaign.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@DandAinTac Romney has a lot more baggage than Newt, with Bain Capital, and Romney paying a tax rate lower than the average American, despite his vast wealth. The ONLY thing Romney had going for him was the ( false ) claim he is most likely to beat Obama. In SC, they started to realize that Romney is very vulnerable to liberal attacks. I would even say that of all the GOP candidates from the beginning, including Michele Bachmann, Romney is the LEAST likely to defeat Obama.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer I agree that Romney has a lot of baggage that has been largely overlooked by a fawning press, but he also has advantages that Gingrich lacks. One of them is that he is not the slimeball Gingrich is. Dumping his wife when she was stricken with cancer--that's really low. Romney also seems to have better control over his mouth, doesn't have a history of corruption, didn't have his own party relieve him of the Speaker's seat, and is perceived by the mainstream media to be a moderate.
DandAinTac 1 month ago
@DandAinTac Well, we already know the outcome if it is Romney vs. Obama : Obama is going to win. Obama will probably win vs Gingrich, but Gingrich is much more unpredictable. The Republicans are starting to realize that Romney is the least likely to defeat Obama among all Republican candidates, and that includes Michele Bachmann.
The Republicans never were thrilled with Romney, and the ( false ) claim that he can beat Obama is the only thing he had going for him.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer Thanks for your analysis. Moon, what makes this whole thing so interesting, is that Obama should be more vulnerable than this--don't you think? Why is the GOP field so weak? And if Bachmann had a greater chance than Romney to beat Obama, why did she fail attract enough enduring support to at least stay in the race?
DandAinTac 1 month ago
@DandAinTac Because it was INCORRECTLY believed a few months ago, that Romney would be more likely to beat Obama than Bachmann. Republicans just swallowed the analysis of the liberal media. Her being so petite might have contributed to the feeling that she couldn't beat Obama, but her chances are better than Romney's.
The GOP field is so weak ( and the Democratic field will be weak as well ), because more people are starting to realize that the president does not have much power.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer Also, Gingrich has huge negatives. He is perceived as a hothead and a loose cannon by the Republican establishment. He is inconsistent and erratic. Another thing Romney has going for him is that he has truck loads of cash. That alone pretty much determines the election anyway. Personally as a liberal, I would to see Gingrich win, because I think his negatives outweigh Romney's but I doubt it will happen.
DandAinTac 1 month ago
@DandAinTac Having a lot of money is not the advantage that it used to be, because the primary is drawn out this year ( i.e. there is no Super Tuesday when many states have primaries at once ). I do not see how being the hand picked establishment candidate is an advantage ----- it turns off a lot of voters, and makes them search for an insurgent candidate. That desire has coalesced around Gingrich, who is leading Romney is two recent polls in Florida.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@DandAinTac A national poll has Gingrich behind Romney by only one point. Just 2 months ago, Gingrich had an enormous 30 point lead over Romney in Florida. FiveThirtyEight predicts a double digit win for Gingrich in Florida, and certainly if Gingrich wins Florida, then he will most likely go on to win the nomination. At this point, it is 50-50 as to who is going to get the nomination. The turning point came in SC when voters began to realize that liberals really want Romney to win.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
Merry me (not a typo)
uturniaphobic 1 month ago
Subbed.. instantly... I really think I will vote Mickey Mouse this year
Sindrake 1 month ago
just stopped by to say that at least two people have proven the point of my video so far.
Texemosis 1 month ago
@Texemosis Oh lordy, really?
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
its funny how pillsbury dough boy oops i mean newt gingrich received an extra 900 votes from people that are dead(6 feet under) this is obvious that sc was rigged.
MWCstream 1 month ago
I feel the same way, shame on you, South Carolina. For half the day today, I was thinking OH GOD NOT GINGRICH OH GOD NOT GINGRICH OH GOD NOT GINGRICH because I definitely do not want a President whose model for national security policy is the Soviet Union.
cyberpolice9000 1 month ago
it was weird not being american but getting really hopeful or excited for Huntsman. I guess now he's out Obama would probably be best - but i couldn't get why the americans didn't go for him *shrug*
SpiritKeeper 1 month ago
@SpiritKeeper I was hoping Huntsman would have been on the GOP ticket, but there's no hope for that now.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Newt Gingrich is a total douche bag. If I ever meet that gut on the street, I will kick him square in the nuts.
kaduisaui 1 month ago
Obama would much rather run against Romney than Gingrich.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer Why do you say that?
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne Because Romney is a puppet but Gingrich is a sociopath.
esplin227 1 month ago
@mooninquirer Because Romney is a very "vanilla" and predictable campaigner, but Gingrich is a loose cannon, a no holds barred political brawler, and a much better debater than Romney. Obama has some killer ads to run against Romney, about Bain Capital where Romney fired so many people. Romney having such vast wealth and yet paying a much lower tax rate than the average American is also a killer issue. If Romney is scared to release his returns NOW, what is it going to be like in the Fall ?
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer I respect your comment about Gingrich's infidelities, but that should be an issue among Republicans, and not in the general election.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer I see your point ----- if Gingrich became president, it would be, in effect, like sanctioning his infidelities as acceptable behavior. And leaving his wife because she had cancer is abominable.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
look, little abby. romney has a weak economy&jobs plan. gingrich is a the optimal choice to get america back on track.
we aint voting for a saint or a pope.
originaltrip 1 month ago
@originaltrip So it's Ok to talk about Obama's character but we can't bring up Gingrich's?
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1
nobody cares about obama's character. he is incompetent left wing nut who is destroying america with his socialist policies. and that is all that matters.
originaltrip 1 week ago
@originaltrip Do you use electricity in your house?
StanMarsh1 1 week ago
@originaltrip I'm not saying you're voting for a pope. I'm saying that he's running on a morality-style ticket as a conservative who is for traditional family values, but he divorced his first wife because he wanted an open marriage, and he divorced his second wife because she had cancer.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne
why do you care? really. don't you care more about economy? gas prices? jobs? less taxes? energy independence? more money in your pocket at the end of the day? the FACT is that gingrich has the best plan. period. and if you don't realize that and if you can't see that this is the most important thing at this moment, then there is no hope for you. you can save your moral judgments for other times. and if someone changes their positions frequently... Obama and Romney
originaltrip 1 week ago
@originaltrip "back on track"? Like when Bush was in? Or when his dad was in? Or when Reagan was in? Sorry but the republican party doesn't exactly have a record for getting things back on track unless you're talking about the express train to brokeville.
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@onlywhenprovoked
when reagan was in? you mean when there were tax cuts and 16 mil new jobs? and please, republican party can be a bit freaky with their religion bullshit and are far from perfect, but in general, in terms of economy, are better option than liberals. give me a break.
originaltrip 1 week ago
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onlywhenprovoked 1 week ago
@originaltrip Nice revisionist BS.
but I'm 40 and I know you're full of it.
In 1982, the Congressional Budget Office found that taxpayers earning under $10,000 lost an average of $240 from Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts, while those earning more than $80,000 gained an average of $15,130. By that fall, the jobless rate hit 10.1 percent–the worst in 42 years, and a year later 11.9 million were out of work. In 1983, the country’s poverty rate rose to 15 percent, the highest level since the mid-’60s.
onlywhenprovoked 1 week ago
@originaltrip (continued) When Clinton left, our economy was doing better than it had ever done in my lifetime. We pulled out of the massive debt HW put us in, and accumulated a reserve. Then HWs son got in and put us back in massive debt. Every time republicans get in we go fucking broke.
That said, the dems are in bed with them. Clinton sold us out to NAFTA just like Bush sold us out to the Saudis. Please stop abusing the words conservative and liberal. None of those mentioned here are either
onlywhenprovoked 1 week ago
Lol there's a Newt Gingrich ad on this video. omg Sorry Abby!
BorrahAlive 1 month ago
@BorrahAlive WHAT? NOOOOOOOOO
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
thanks for posting this. must be some very senile people in nursing homes voting for this fat fuck. Its nice to see people who care =)
mkehandgrenades 1 month ago
"you're going for him because he is not romney".
Partly true. They voted for him because Newt launched a series of attack ads decrying Romney for being a vulture capitalist. They voted for him because Newt sounded positively socialist in the last week attacking Romney as the evil greedy capitalist who outsourced jobs, destroyed companies, and ruined lives.
Of course all this is a GIANT joke coming from Newt but it shows how even republicans sing a different tune during election time.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves Of course it's a giant joke coming from Newt since he's been paid to speak at conferences full of "vulture capitalists" countless times ;)
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Blinder as Ron Paul? The RP supporters are the most educated on his record which is why we vote for him. You complain about Newt and Ron Paul, let me take a guess. Your a Moron who wants Romney in office.
studyhistory2ctruth 1 month ago
@studyhistory2ctruth Says the moron who wants Ron Paul in office. But hey, having people regulate what you eat and drink is ludicrous right?
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1 RON PAUL 2012
MWCstream 1 month ago
@MWCstream Thank you for your insightful comment.
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1 No i need the government to tell me i cant drink milk that comes from a cow. Not before they put the chemicals in it. Sadly you dont think that is ludicrous right?
studyhistory2ctruth 1 month ago
@studyhistory2ctruth Um, no, not when raw milk can be dangerous and those 'chemicals' have been proven to help with the longevity of milk etc.
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1 Oh i see, so when will they get rid of cigarettes,alcohol all these things that do harm, yet they are still legal? Or do we as Americans have the right to smoke,drink,and to have raw milk? Government needs to stay out of americans lives and not tell them what to drink eat or smoke.
studyhistory2ctruth 1 month ago
@studyhistory2ctruth Some states do allow raw milk to be sold, but anyway, what does this have to do with the argument? I agree you should be allowed to eat what you want but having well regulated food and drink, free from disease and contagions keeps millions of people safe per year.
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1 The argument as you put it, was brought up when you asked i bet you think government rules on what we eat and drink are ludicrous? My response was the example given. But i asked you why dont they ban cigs and beer? Wouldnt that keep millions of people safe per year?
studyhistory2ctruth 1 month ago
@StanMarsh1 The government tries to balance legal and illegal substances, and I think they way they have is wrong. I don't see why cigarettes and alcohol are allowed but pot isn't. There are people however, who don't want to do any of that, and just want to eat normal, everyday food without worrying whether it is going to poison and kill them or their family. Access to clean, safe food is a right all Americans should have, and it would be done away with in a Ron Paul presidency.
StanMarsh1 1 month ago
@studyhistory2ctruth I most certainly do not want Romney in office. I also do not want Paul in office.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne Ron Paul is the best choice when you look at his record. Point out what you meant by people not looking at his record? Btw your name made me laugh. Young Frankenstien fan perhaps?
studyhistory2ctruth 1 month ago
Bloody hell Abby you opened a jar of worms , oh no i don't mean that a jar of worms is a sex aid for lonely boys ,i mean can of worms yup thats it ha ha .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 I sure have. I shouldn't have added that last part about Ron Paul, should I?
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne hey abby all you have to do for guaranteed rabid attacks against you is to be mildly critical of Ron paul ,its as if the guy is some kind of saint or cult leader ,in my view he's the best of a bad bunch (wait for it , don't bother peeps iv'e herd it all ) i am surprised at the level of faith displayed for a politician given recent US political history i would have thought the mood to have been more sceptical .
woofalot13 1 month ago
The problem with Romney is that Obama would much rather run against Romney than Gingrich, and the GOP voters in general ( not just conservatives ) are starting to pick that up. Romney is THE choice of the liberal news media, and liberal pundits. Romney's vast wealth and 15 % tax rate, and firing of people at Bain, will hurt him more in a general election than Gingrich's infidelities.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer
I think Romney will attract more independents than Gingrich, and more Wall Street conservatives who don't care that he's a Mormon. He would be a stronger candidate against Obama in the general election.
ObserversEyes 1 month ago
@ObserversEyes WALL STREET conservatives will vote for the GOP nominee regardless of anything. Blue collar independents will be turned off, once they hear the killer ad that Obama has about Romney firing so many people at Bain Capital. If Romney is not willing to release his return until April, I don't see how he has any response. Romney being a Mormon was NOT a factor is South Carolina ---- the problem is Romney is THE choice of the liberal news media and pundits, to run against Obama
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer
Obama has given Wall Street conservatives everything they've wanted and more. They are fiscal conservative but libertarian when it comes to social issues. I know some of these people and many actually chose Obama over McCain in 2008.
The blue collar independents who didn't vote for Obama in '08 still won't for the same reason and I probably don't have to tell you why ( hint, it's not about Bain Capital ).
ObserversEyes 1 month ago
@ObserversEyes As a separate issue, Wall Street conservatives are NOT libertarian on social issues. They would be in favor of overturning the Civil Rights Act of 1964 if that were the case. Among many other things, the CRA 1964 ( and 1968 ) impose a monopoly in favor of bankers, as one's credit score is left as the only thing that one can discriminate upon.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer
I meant Wall Street conservatives are more liberal on social issues, not libertarian ..... my bad.
ObserversEyes 1 month ago
I certainly understand your problem with Gingrich's infidelities, but I don't understand your problem with Ron Paul. And criticism of him is VERY esoteric, and you really have to get into a deep discussion of money, the federal reserve, etc. to do that, OR to bring up that 911 was an inside job, and Ron Paul does not discuss that. But at least Paul is not in favor of the wars.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
This does seem a pretty desperate move by the republicans .
woofalot13 1 month ago
Hey, at least they didn't vote for Romney. I can't even believe NH voted for him. You'd think being on our border, they would have heard how much he fucked us over and passed the exact types of laws that NH people are against. They're republicans, they will only vote for republicans. His record doesn't matter, to those type of people. They vote on party and persona.
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@onlywhenprovoked I just think it's a shame that the GOP really honestly doesn't have a strong ticket in any of the remaining candidates at all this time around.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne If you are so adamant about not wanting Romney or Paul in office, then my is it a shame that that the GOP doesn't have a strong ticket ? ( I would vote for anyone but John McCain over Obama ).
mooninquirer 1 month ago
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onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@onlywhenprovoked Well, the big difference between the Democratic presidential nominee and the Republican are the Supreme Court picks. Generally, there is not a difference between the two on foreign policy and the wars. An exception would have been John McCain, who would have launched America into a campaign of total invasion and occupation of MANY other countries had he been president.
mooninquirer 1 month ago
@mooninquirer "McCain.. would have launched America into a campaign of total invasion and occupation of MANY other countries"
That's exactly what Bush did.. but I hear what you're saying. McCain isn't rational. But all this talk assumes that the president has any real power, as opposed to the party behind him and the millions in corporate sponsorship.
I live in Massachusetts. Democrats don't pick better judges. We just had one that tried to order a forced abortion and sterilization on a woman.
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@mooninquirer "I would vote for anyone but John McCain over Obama"
There's nothing different about McCains policies from Bush's or Newts or Obamas. From foreign policy to bank bailouts, it's all the exact same agenda.
Name me one thing Obama did that you think McCain wouldn't have.
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne While in office here in Mass, Romney rallied for taxpayer funded abortions. Not just as a stipulation of the mandatory RomneyCare (for which I am fined in my taxes every year for not complying with) but more like "I support state funded abortions" and you can find the videos. Also, he raised the shit out of our taxes and supported the complete removal of our gun rights.
Oh, and he's also got a wife scandal.
Newt looks like a conservative champion, compared. Sad, really.
onlywhenprovoked 1 month ago
I'm pretty sure South Carolina is where all the psychopaths go to have a nice retirement.
mchance27 1 month ago
Great video
HoustonTexas457000 1 month ago
all of the Republican nominees are complete idiots. come election time, America's choice for president is between evil (Obama) and stupid (the other guy).
gotohellgooglization 1 month ago
@gotohellgooglization I wish Huntsman would have gone further.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
Does it really matter who they vote for? The Republican candidates are all fucked, there is no lesser of evils. They might as well vote a Lassie in the white house. In fact I'm going to endorse it right now Lassie 2012.
CappitranoBellephant 1 month ago 3
Well said!
WendieAnn1064 1 month ago
Voting for a candidate in the republican primary is like voting for which turd is the best out of a pile of turds. Newt Gingrich is a disgusting human being by the standards of a rational human being. By republican standards he is just an average candidate.
TheCommonMan101 1 month ago
Evangelical christians are afraid of Mormons. That's the ONLY reason Romney isn't destroying everyone. A lot of people also know Romney is also a corporate whore...but then again, they all are. I still remember how republicans were so disgusted with bill clinton during his scandal. What Newt did is 1,000 times worse and he's still a serious candidate.
Michigan1985 1 month ago
@Michigan1985 p.s. When are republicans and democrats going to realize neither party serves the interest of the American people? We need to fuze the tea party, occupy wall street and everyone else and get our country back one of these days.
Michigan1985 1 month ago
@Michigan1985 i am a republican and i disagree with everthing that party stands for. But i also recognize that if you vote in the primary you end up holding a lot of power.
GingerAtheist 1 month ago
@GingerAtheist "But i also recognize that if you vote in the primary you end up holding a lot of power"
Indeed. I never really realized the power of primary voting until the teabaggers. I would be thrilled if there was someone to vote for against obama in a democrat primary.
However I believe in fighting from both within the party (primaries) and from outside the party (voting 3rd party) when unsuccessful in the primaries to overthrow the corrupt incumbent. This I feel is the only solution.
WhirlingWolves 1 month ago
@WhirlingWolves Obama isn't actually that bad, I would rather Huntsman but...
GingerAtheist 1 month ago
@Michigan1985 I don't know so much that they are afraid of Mormons as much as I think they visualize Mormons as cultists, much to the same effect many of them view Catholics, which is a shame, because they put someone's religion before their politics. I agree with what you said about Gingrich, but the problem is that he was public about it, and Clinton was not (initially), so they kind of fried him there.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
@abbynormal0ne Yeah, I don't mean they're literally afraid of him. Although I think they're threatened by another religion/denomination taking over the white house. I think Romney would get 0% of the evangelical vote if they found out about the "white horse prophecy".
Michigan1985 1 month ago
I don't know why everyone's surprised Newt won. Have you seen the Republican Party lately?
smpunditz 1 month ago
@smpunditz I have, and it makes me sad.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
RON PAUL 2012
dx398 1 month ago
@dx398 rolls eyes
smpunditz 1 month ago
You have to pick one! you can't just say they all suck... well... you can... but pick the best option for yourself.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL you can say they all suck , if they all suck , it happens you know .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 one of these people will be running for president and has a good chance of being one. Putting your head in the sand during the primary is fine, but you are missing your opportunity to put someone who is the least repulsive in your opinion up as a potential candidate.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL i refer you to my answer below .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL i see your point is true though .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 you could have voted in the Iowa primary evidently :D
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL ?? ha ha
woofalot13 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL I know. I guess the people of SC decided that they think Gingrich sucks the least.....I just wish they hadn't thought that way, haha.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
when i saw Newt had won, i died a little inside,
gothatfunk 1 month ago
@gothatfunk Yeah, I could rant for ages on this one, haha.
abbynormal0ne 1 month ago
So much for "conservative family values".
All this election is all about for the gop and gop voter is who can be the nastiest person to pound on Obama. All they want is somebody who can hurt the "black" president.....granted Obama is a disappointing president in a lots of areas but he can never be as bad as any of the gop candidates.....just my opinion
verodefacto 1 month ago 2
I guess they like the upper class that pisses on poor people, you know instead of pissing on middle class people. Like those 2 things aren't the same.
GingerAtheist 1 month ago
What blinders on for Ron Paul? A vote for Ron Paul is a vote against the Corprotocracy, against The Federal Reserve, against the Military Industrial Complex, against the Patriot Act, the NDAA and SOPA which steal our civil liberties, and against endless wars for the Zionists which deplete the country of both its resources and its young people all for a bogus stone age creed and a vote against Ron is a vote in favor of all of those things plus +whoremongering and child labor if it's for Newt.
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 Ron Paul is a idiot for his fema views. If he was president when Hurricane Katrina hit he would have left them people to rot and rely on flawed insurance policies that most cannot afford. I can see downsizing the government. But one of their responsibilities should be to protect their own citizens. If your home is hit by a tornado, flood, hurricane etc you are simply left in the streets under Ron Paul. He is rich and doesnt care about the less fortunate. Fuck him and the GOPs.
JabberCT 1 month ago
@JabberCT I don't know how anyone can say FEMA did a good job at Katrina... You hear a lot of reports about how FEMA prevented people from going into New Orleans to help people...
and if anyone doesn't have any working solutions, it's Romney. The man hasn't answered a question clearly the entire campaign. The only one actually answering questions about his policy is Ron Paul and sometimes Newt recently.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL Fema did not do a good job during Katrina. Everyone fought over who was going to fund it all. Thats why i said, if this country manages to save trillions of dollars a year, you make it workable and better. But you do NOT leave your own citizens who voted and supported you as homeless bums over a act of nature they had no control over. It would be heartless and make us look like 3rd world pieces of shit.
JabberCT 1 month ago
@JabberCT I agree with you actually. The main reason I want Ron Paul to win is that he will end our occupation of other countries. This is also really the only one of his policies that he can actually enact because most of the other ones will require a vote from congress.
He can end our over seas spending instantly like a light switch... and I think that would make our existing government programs more viable because we would be able to fund them.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL excuse my ignorance but doesn't RP want to axe government programs i thought he was a fend for yourself libertarian small government and all that .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 Nope, can't excuse your ignorance.
You're not even American. Why do you even care about our elections?
For that matter you fucking idiots don't even know the name of the royal family that you suck the boots of. You don't even know that they aren't English.
Fuck the Queen and all the fairy boys speaking the queens English. You won't get this but Ron Paul is fighting the 2nd revolutionary war. The rest are in bed with London bankers.
Up the Irons!!
You buggery wanker.
tstatech 1 month ago
@tstatech You are a very rude person
ekhaat 1 month ago 3
@ekhaat Fuck political correctness. Nothing more than another tool of control.
Oh, I'm rude. So what?
tstatech 1 month ago
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@tstatech "Fuck political correctness. Nothing more than another tool of control."
What does that have to do with @woofalot13's question?
ekhaat 1 month ago
@tstatech Ha ha i landed a whopper , theres always one rabid idiot in the pond , is ron paul going to call the french for help too . Ha ha your funny what is a buggery wanker ha ha thanks i needed a bloody good laugh ! and i am interested in world politics is that not aloud , ha ha i'm still laughing thanks that was funny .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@tstatech You buggery wanker ha ha do you know what that means it makes no sense ha ha please have you got any more gems like that or maybe just some more of your devastating jingoism ,go on let rip .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 He does but his plan isnt to just leave those people dependent on these programs blowing in the wind. He wants to slowly phase them out after hopefully creating more jobs through creating a sound monetary system. You can pay for these programs using the money that we pump into maintaining our empire over seas.
People should want to work for their money more then be on a program. Work would be better if you didn't have to do so much just to live thanks to not being taxed
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL Or... you would be able to save more if you worked the hours that you do... and that would make your quality of life better much more quickly. Also you could go to school a lot easier because your part time job would be enough.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL I am not an American but i'm all for America pulling back from its interventionist stance and regaining its respect in the rest of the world ,like it used to have in the good old days .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 This (foreign policy) should really be the main issue when choosing a candidate because it is one of the few things the president can change at a whim. Most of these other changes require a vote from congress.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL yup whats that about wouldn't it be better if your congress didn't imasculate your presidents power .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@FiLthaThriL Thank you for that ,thats all i needed a sensible reply .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@JabberCT I also feel like people should not live in areas that are obviously going to be flooded. We are kind of beyond that point now... but it just seems stupid to me for people to do that and expect to be rescued when the water comes rushing in.
Also... less spending over seas means more spending on levies.
FiLthaThriL 1 month ago
@JabberCT It's a dog eat dog world. Why should anyone be forced to lose much of their own happiness by paying money that they don't have to help the less fortunate out? Don't they have any fortitude of their own? And, I'm sure there are charitable people that would lend a hand. Most likely the churches. However, as Darwin said, "The strong survive." and as my father used to say "Things are tough all over." If I'm forced to help others out, then that leaves me less to help myself out.
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 We are not part of the barbaric animal world anymore where only the strong survive. Its a civilized society in most nations except places like North Korea, Iran, etc. You would not be charged anymore for fema than you are now. You should be willing to help out. In todays world, all humans rely on one another for everything. I dont care where you live, you are NOT safe from a natural disaster. If it happened to you, you would realize insurance isnt enough.
JabberCT 1 month ago
@JabberCT Why wouldn't insurance be enough?
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 you don't think that is a selfish attitude ,you forget all of humanity's great achevments came through cooperation and community , that is such a backwards view don't you think it is mankind's job to rise above the base and animal not use a system thats so old it was in use with the T rex .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 What system? Freedom? I guess in your opinion everybody ought to be slaves? The system you seem to prefer is called the Nanny State and that's led to disastrous Entitlement complexes around the world. If there is no tax system enforced on everyone by a Central Governmet, then they have more money to spend in cooperation with others and on their community in ways that they choose to do so rather than having their government steal it all and waste it on worthless programs.
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 Don't forget stripping the coggs and bolts out of our system so it doesn't work anymore. Ron Paul only has ideals and no working 'pragmatic' solutions. Just go with Romney vs Obama, please
GingerAtheist 1 month ago
@GingerAtheist Why should I go with a d*mn Mormon Zionist Theocrat or two Jesuit Zionist Theocrats in Gingrich and Santorum and and a habitual liar that isn't even a citizen of the US? The ideas that Paul has did very well in America from 1776 until The Founding of the League of Nations when the push began for Zionist World domination.
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 Its a pick your favourite turd competition !
woofalot13 1 month ago
@woofalot13 Personally I consider someone that wants to end foreign wars for Oil and Israel, SOPA, The Patriot Act, the NDAA, and restore the true spirit of American freedom not this misguided Teletubbyesque Humanism to be far more than a turd,
ed12261972 1 month ago
@ed12261972 You on about that old codger who doesn't stand a chance of gaining the nomination ,the one who hides all his stupid ideas behind some quite good ones ,fair enough ,but you cant polish a turd in my book .
woofalot13 1 month ago
@ed12261972 Please tell me how you are using the word zionist because you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Ron Paul supports israel and supports state run theocracy.
GingerAtheist 1 month ago
@GingerAtheist I'm using Zionist in reference to the renegade "State" of Israel. Without even dipping into what you would call "Conspiracy Theories" and what rational thinking people would call "The Way The World Really Works", I don't remember the day that Israel ever became the United States' 51st State. They've done nothing to earn the weapons and other things they've been given and in many instances turned around and sold since 1948. If they can't defend the land they stole from the
ed12261972 1 month ago