is there a length of time after death or degree of decomposition which makes revival impossible? there was a man exhumed to cryopreserve his head,after alcor was in legal dispute with his family,he was exhumed 15 months after his burial,his name was orville i believe. is it possible to revive him? or has his brain decomposed to a condition which makes repair and revival impossible?.i know this may need to be judged by individual circumstance,because of certain variables.
@RayDandy Yes we just don't know for certain what it is but even before cryopreservation the degree of tissue break down is determined by a temp to time ratio. For instance 10 hrs in the desert may be a complete waste while a month in the artic might not be according to arrhenius equation. The person frozen after 15 month probably doesnt have a very good shot. Then why freeze him? 1. For legal reasons 2. Because that is what the person contracted for. 3 because we are not absolutely sure >>>
>about the extent of damage. surely there will be some memory loss. Is it total or partial? We give stroke patients a shot. 4 To discourage greedy family members from attempting to profit by reversing a persons last wishes. In the end Alcor prevailed and the family didn't get the cash. That didn't mean Alcor gets to spend the money rather they continue to follow the persons last wishes no matter how futile or not. 5.Alcor simply had a moral and legal obligation to follow that persons last wishes
@RayDandy for reference there is no amount of time in which an embryo frozen at liquid nitrogen temps has been found less viable. In essence you could freeze it for thousands of yrs implant it and it would be fine. At room temps a human doesnt do well as you know with out O2 the cooler it is the better and as I said this is driven by the Arrhenius equation that governs thermal decay. Germs & molecular activity still operates in a conventional freezer just slower. At LN2 temps molecules slow>
slow> to the point where it takes 100's of millions of yrs for any decernable activity. Germs and chemical processes dont even operate at that level of cold. Actually heat is nothing more then molecular activity. so cold represents slow molecular activity down to absolute zero.
@RichieKGB Yes I am as serious as a heart attack. I am also willing to back up cryonics claims with scientific fact and reasoning. Cryonics is perhaps the one way for people living today to see the future and to be given a second chance at life after todays medicine has given up on you. Like many obscure and hidden truths cryonics lays in wait for now only to some day be accepted and taken for granted as common sense good practice. cryonics is an abulence ride to the future.
@RichieKGB all good science has been criticized at one time or another. This is just another one of those examples.
I find it funny how so many people think that there is an omnipotent being in the sky overlooking all of us and that there is a paradise waiting for us after we die, yet the concept of being brought back to life WITH SCIENCE is impossible.
@cmonutube I try not to mix up the belief or non belief in a diety and cryonics. Why? Because to me Heart transplants were good science even before thiests and athiests believed they were possible. Cryonics has a hard enough time covincing anyone much less pushing away theists because we might disagree with them. Theists out number believers in cryonics 100,000,000 to one or perhaps more. To me not a battle worth waging. Belivers in ufos & big foot even exceed cryonics believers sadly!
@DK0526 very good point. one thing that worries me is that what if it does catch on? with the increase in population, by the time we are brought back to life I'm sure earth will be extremely crowded, that is unless we terraform other planets and colonize them. So maybe not having too many people on board is a blessing in disguise. Adding more people from this age to the increased population size of the next few ages could pose problems. what are your thoughts on this?
@cmonutube Of course I have a theory on that too. If Cryonics does work then by default we will have a very powerful advance technological civilization...probably saturated with molecular nanotechnology. And if that is the case then the spin off wealth will make everyone many thousands of times richer then even bill gates today...But that is not so surprising when you consider how much better off we are today then even kings and queeens of past. Technology makes the world a much better place!
@DK0526 cool man. I am in college right now majoring in chemistry. My goal is to get into the nanotechnology field or even the cryopreservation field. I'm curious as to what people working in this field majored in and what steps they took to get where they are today. would know anything about that?
@cmonutube Well I dont see anyone making a ton of money in cryonics...its more humanitarian work but molecular nanotechnology, genetics, and micro robotics are sure to fuel the world and solve the cryonics revival problem. Thats where the money is and hard science too. Go to Alcors and the Cryonics Institute web sites you can see what the bio's of the scientific advisory boards are... pretty impressive and smart people in their field. phd's Chemistry, biochem, engineering, medical, physics,ect
>>> also look up Ralph Merkle here or else where on the net. Then theres Erik Drexler, Ray kurzweil. One of these guys actually has a suggested fields of study for getting into the Nanotechnology field. As for Cryonics just be willing to help out and volunteer time. The current organizations are set up as no profit to save people. All the money goes to perpetual storage, over head and research but there is limited research in cryonics. Thats where nanotech comes in which applies to much more.
thank you for explaining.
RayDandy 7 months ago
is there a length of time after death or degree of decomposition which makes revival impossible? there was a man exhumed to cryopreserve his head,after alcor was in legal dispute with his family,he was exhumed 15 months after his burial,his name was orville i believe. is it possible to revive him? or has his brain decomposed to a condition which makes repair and revival impossible?.i know this may need to be judged by individual circumstance,because of certain variables.
RayDandy 7 months ago
@RayDandy Yes we just don't know for certain what it is but even before cryopreservation the degree of tissue break down is determined by a temp to time ratio. For instance 10 hrs in the desert may be a complete waste while a month in the artic might not be according to arrhenius equation. The person frozen after 15 month probably doesnt have a very good shot. Then why freeze him? 1. For legal reasons 2. Because that is what the person contracted for. 3 because we are not absolutely sure >>>
DK0526 7 months ago
>about the extent of damage. surely there will be some memory loss. Is it total or partial? We give stroke patients a shot. 4 To discourage greedy family members from attempting to profit by reversing a persons last wishes. In the end Alcor prevailed and the family didn't get the cash. That didn't mean Alcor gets to spend the money rather they continue to follow the persons last wishes no matter how futile or not. 5.Alcor simply had a moral and legal obligation to follow that persons last wishes
DK0526 7 months ago
@RayDandy for reference there is no amount of time in which an embryo frozen at liquid nitrogen temps has been found less viable. In essence you could freeze it for thousands of yrs implant it and it would be fine. At room temps a human doesnt do well as you know with out O2 the cooler it is the better and as I said this is driven by the Arrhenius equation that governs thermal decay. Germs & molecular activity still operates in a conventional freezer just slower. At LN2 temps molecules slow>
DK0526 7 months ago
slow> to the point where it takes 100's of millions of yrs for any decernable activity. Germs and chemical processes dont even operate at that level of cold. Actually heat is nothing more then molecular activity. so cold represents slow molecular activity down to absolute zero.
DK0526 7 months ago
are you serious?
RichieKGB 1 year ago
@RichieKGB Yes I am as serious as a heart attack. I am also willing to back up cryonics claims with scientific fact and reasoning. Cryonics is perhaps the one way for people living today to see the future and to be given a second chance at life after todays medicine has given up on you. Like many obscure and hidden truths cryonics lays in wait for now only to some day be accepted and taken for granted as common sense good practice. cryonics is an abulence ride to the future.
DK0526 1 year ago 5
@RichieKGB all good science has been criticized at one time or another. This is just another one of those examples.
I find it funny how so many people think that there is an omnipotent being in the sky overlooking all of us and that there is a paradise waiting for us after we die, yet the concept of being brought back to life WITH SCIENCE is impossible.
cmonutube 10 months ago
@cmonutube I try not to mix up the belief or non belief in a diety and cryonics. Why? Because to me Heart transplants were good science even before thiests and athiests believed they were possible. Cryonics has a hard enough time covincing anyone much less pushing away theists because we might disagree with them. Theists out number believers in cryonics 100,000,000 to one or perhaps more. To me not a battle worth waging. Belivers in ufos & big foot even exceed cryonics believers sadly!
DK0526 10 months ago
@DK0526 very good point. one thing that worries me is that what if it does catch on? with the increase in population, by the time we are brought back to life I'm sure earth will be extremely crowded, that is unless we terraform other planets and colonize them. So maybe not having too many people on board is a blessing in disguise. Adding more people from this age to the increased population size of the next few ages could pose problems. what are your thoughts on this?
cmonutube 10 months ago
@cmonutube Of course I have a theory on that too. If Cryonics does work then by default we will have a very powerful advance technological civilization...probably saturated with molecular nanotechnology. And if that is the case then the spin off wealth will make everyone many thousands of times richer then even bill gates today...But that is not so surprising when you consider how much better off we are today then even kings and queeens of past. Technology makes the world a much better place!
DK0526 10 months ago
@DK0526 cool man. I am in college right now majoring in chemistry. My goal is to get into the nanotechnology field or even the cryopreservation field. I'm curious as to what people working in this field majored in and what steps they took to get where they are today. would know anything about that?
cmonutube 10 months ago
@cmonutube Well I dont see anyone making a ton of money in cryonics...its more humanitarian work but molecular nanotechnology, genetics, and micro robotics are sure to fuel the world and solve the cryonics revival problem. Thats where the money is and hard science too. Go to Alcors and the Cryonics Institute web sites you can see what the bio's of the scientific advisory boards are... pretty impressive and smart people in their field. phd's Chemistry, biochem, engineering, medical, physics,ect
DK0526 10 months ago
>>> also look up Ralph Merkle here or else where on the net. Then theres Erik Drexler, Ray kurzweil. One of these guys actually has a suggested fields of study for getting into the Nanotechnology field. As for Cryonics just be willing to help out and volunteer time. The current organizations are set up as no profit to save people. All the money goes to perpetual storage, over head and research but there is limited research in cryonics. Thats where nanotech comes in which applies to much more.
DK0526 10 months ago